Florida Set a New Record for Covid Hospitalizations

[SilverRose]

Florida now has 11,515 people hospitalized for Covid. This is a new record. Since Florida had a total population of 21.48 million. This means one in every 1865 Floridians is now hospitalized for Covid.

Despite record COVID-19 hospitalizations, Florida'''s governor says '''admissions have slowed''' (https://www.wptv.com/coronavirus/despite-record-covid-19-hospitalizations-floridas-governor-says-admissions-have-slowed)

[Dana1963]

Florida now has 11,515 people hospitalized for Covid. This is a new record. Since Florida had a total population of 21.48 million. This means one in every 1865 Floridians is now hospitalized for Covid.

Despite record COVID-19 hospitalizations, Florida'''s governor says '''admissions have slowed''' (https://www.wptv.com/coronavirus/despite-record-covid-19-hospitalizations-floridas-governor-says-admissions-have-slowed)
This Pandemic has been so much fun we’re getting ready to do it all over again

[Dond1959]

If you are vaccinated your risk of hospitalization is very low, and your risk of death is very, very low. It is mainly younger, unvaccinated people going to the hospital and unfortunately dying. It is their choice to not be vaccinated at this time so they will suffer the consequences.

[Altavia]

If you are vaccinated your risk of hospitalization is very low, and your risk of death is very, very low. It is mainly younger, unvaccinated people going to the hospital and unfortunately dying. It is their choice to not be vaccinated at this time so they will suffer the consequences.

Anyone needing non-COVID hospital services are also suffering. Elective diagnostics and surgerys are delayed leading to non-COVID deaths.

Most cruel is the inability to visit loved ones in the hospital.

[DAVES]

My two cents worth the problem is people.

First of all read the posts and see people attacking each other-just like rats on a sinking ship.

We have been dealing with covid 19 for a year and a half or perhaps two. Efforts to control. We are getting sloppy. I am getting sloppy. All diets work. The reason most fail is people start out have some success but do not, stay with it. Same is true of many things.

The vaccines. Frankly the claimed effectiveness is/was way above normal effectiveness for any vaccine.

Viruses easily mutate. The NEW variant being called delta is apparently more easily transmitted and less likely to kill.

We expect, WE DEMAND, perfection. Reality does not work that way.
As I listen to the rain outside, weren't we told that heat and rain would slow down, stop
the virus.

We have no choice. Do the best that YOU can. Discrediting others, name calling and other clearly bad taste posts-helps no one-not even yourself.

[Rose Ann Vinci Igoe]

Florida now has 11,515 people hospitalized for Covid. This is a new record. Since Florida had a total population of 21.48 million. This means one in every 1865 Floridians is now hospitalized for Covid.

Despite record COVID-19 hospitalizations, Florida'''s governor says '''admissions have slowed''' (https://www.wptv.com/coronavirus/despite-record-covid-19-hospitalizations-floridas-governor-says-admissions-have-slowed)

I just want to give people a heads up no matter what your feeling now. I just found out 4 of my vaccinated friends have COVID... VERY BAD.. IV'S ADMINISTERED... AND a couple of months ago, another 2 of my friends got COVID, ONE with in 2 weeks, died, suffocated to death fast. The other was my brother 6 weeks in ICU almost lost him 3xs could not regulate heart, lungs filled with puss yes puss not Flem .. he is alive... 3 months later home and damage w blood clot.. this is no joke. pls even if you are vaccinated... masks and distance... its not a get out of jail card.. and the variant is spiking as we speak... oh ya.. on these people... it was there FAMILY MEMBERS THAT GAVE IT TO THEM....

[GrumpyOldMan]

I just want to give people a heads up no matter what your feeling now. I just found out 4 of my vaccinated friends have COVID... VERY BAD.. IV'S ADMINISTERED... AND a couple of months ago, another 2 of my friends got COVID, ONE with in 2 weeks, died, suffocated to death fast. The other was my brother 6 weeks in ICU almost lost him 3xs could not regulate heart, lungs filled with puss yes puss not Flem .. he is alive... 3 months later home and damage w blood clot.. this is no joke. pls even if you are vaccinated... masks and distance... its not a get out of jail card.. and the variant is spiking as we speak... oh ya.. on these people... it was there FAMILY MEMBERS THAT GAVE IT TO THEM....

Thank you and I wish your brother well.

[Altavia]

Hospitals are offering over $5,000 a week to traveling COVID nurses...

[John41]

To put it in perspective if you are hospitalized with the flu you have a 7% chance of dying and about 1% with Covid.

[GrumpyOldMan]

To put it in perspective if you are hospitalized with the flu you have a 7% chance of dying and about 1% with Covid.

That is pretty much meaningless unless you care to explain why they explain 600,000 dead in the last 18 months from COVID and 20,000 dead from the flu.

PLEASE not the "600,000 is a hoax" answer... sigh

[drducat]

That is pretty much meaningless unless you care to explain why they explain 600,000 dead in the last 18 months from COVID and 20,000 dead from the flu.

PLEASE not the "600,000 is a hoax" answer... sigh

They no longer know these numbers to be true due to the failed PCR testing results being what ever virus dead or alive showed up...half could have been a bad flu for all you know.

[John41]

That is pretty much meaningless unless you care to explain why they explain 600,000 dead in the last 18 months from COVID and 20,000 dead from the flu.

PLEASE not the "600,000 is a hoax" answer... sigh

It means exactly what it says. If someone is hospitalized with the flu he is much more likely to die than from Covid. Another example is Ebola which if hospitalized has a mortality rate of 40%. Since you quoted hospitalizations I thought it would be informative to know how likely one were to die if hospitalized.

—————- mortality if hospitalized—-
Common cold. 0%
Covid Delta………1%
Influenza………….7%
Ebola…………….. 40%

We have vaccines highly effective against Covid 95%+ but influenza vaccines are only 40% to 60% effective .
Many, many more people have been infected with Covid than the flu so the total number of death is higher this year. But the flu is more deadly.

[golfing eagles]

To put it in perspective if you are hospitalized with the flu you have a 7% chance of dying and about 1% with Covid.

More misinformation!

To really put it "in perspective" with the facts:

The hospital admission rate for COVID varies with age----2.5% ages 18-49, up to 17.2% age over 85, average 7.3%. Of those hospitalized, 15% died, could not get a breakdown by age, but WAY above 1%.

The hospitalization rate for seasonal influenza is 9.1/100,000 population or .0091%., and about 10% of Americans get the flu each year, so 0.091% vs. 7.3%
So your chances of ending up in the hospital with "the flu" is miniscule compared to COVID

I couldn't find an accurate number for the percentage of hospitalized flu cases that die, but we know the mortality rate year to year is about 0.1% of cases. The 15% deaths of 7.3% hospitalized COVID patients come to about 1%, or 10x as deadly as flu, which is in line with other known data

So bottom line, if that was hard to follow, is that you are MUCH MORE LIKELY to die of COVID than the flu.

PS: My numbers are all from the CDC especially MMWR. And yours?????

[Escape Artist]

Florida now has 11,515 people hospitalized for Covid. This is a new record. Since Florida had a total population of 21.48 million. This means one in every 1865 Floridians is now hospitalized for Covid.

Despite record COVID-19 hospitalizations, Florida'''s governor says '''admissions have slowed''' (https://www.wptv.com/coronavirus/despite-record-covid-19-hospitalizations-floridas-governor-says-admissions-have-slowed)

The article doesn't say what the age group affected (teens? 30-somethings?) or if they are Florida residents and other important information. We were told at the beginning of this that the important thing was to have the elderly and those at risk for complications to get vaccinated. We've done that as evidenced by Florida's herd immunity in that age demographic. You can't protect everyone from themselves in a free society! The vaccine in there, it's available, it's FREE! Sometimes you just have to let people live (or die) with their own choices.

[golfing eagles]

It means exactly what it says. If someone is hospitalized with the flu he is much more likely to die than from Covid. Another example is Ebola which if hospitalized has a mortality rate of 40%. Since you quoted hospitalizations I thought it would be informative to know how likely one were to die if hospitalized.

—————- mortality if hospitalized—-
Common cold. 0%
Covid Delta………1%
Influenza………….7%
Ebola…………….. 40%

We have vaccines highly effective against Covid 95%+ but influenza vaccines are only 40% to 60% effective .
Many, many more people have been infected with Covid than the flu so the total number of death is higher this year. But the flu is more deadly.

Anytime you would like to provide a legitimate source, I'm all ears. Oh, and btw, the general reporting category is influenza AND pneumonia deaths, which year to year generally runs about 10 x as high as influenza alone, so please present the right data

[Vikingjunior]

Close the border.

[John41]

Close the border.

EXACTLY. Operation Warp Speed gave us two excellent vaccines but the rollout this year has been a disaster for lack of leadership and Covid infected illegal immigrants being seeded across the country.

"This is a guy who ran for office saying he’s going to shut down the virus," DeSantis added. "And what has he done? He’s imported more virus from around the world by having a wide open southern border."

[kkingston57]

Appears Sumter county cases are low, but there are repercussions. Had to go to the ER and arrived at 6:15PM. 30+ people in the waiting room. We were told that ER beds and hospital beds were all full. Took me 7 hours to be examined, x rayed and blood tested.

On the bright side, it probably could have been worse if this had not happened in August.

Was told that Leesburg hospital was also full.

[villageuser]

To put it in perspective if you are hospitalized with the flu you have a 7% chance of dying and about 1% with Covid.

One doesn’t get the possible long term complications from the flu as they do with COVid - weakened heart and/or lung function, a host of other unbearable issues. You really want to take that kind of chance with your body?

[thevillages2013]

To put it in perspective if you are hospitalized with the flu you have a 7% chance of dying and about 1% with Covid.

Are the hospitals getting paid thousands of dollars by the federal government for flu cases or just Covid cases? Asking for a friend who says “follow the money”

[egmcaninch]

Florida now has 11,515 people hospitalized for Covid. This is a new record. Since Florida had a total population of 21.48 million. This means one in every 1865 Floridians is now hospitalized for Covid.

Despite record COVID-19 hospitalizations, Florida'''s governor says '''admissions have slowed''' (https://www.wptv.com/coronavirus/despite-record-covid-19-hospitalizations-floridas-governor-says-admissions-have-slowed)

Just curious - Anyone know if the influx at the southern boarder has impacted number in FL - in the US?

[DrBrutyle109]

Best thing to do is lock yourself in a closet with a mask and face shield. You do that while I go out and play golf and enjoy my life. You can be hurt everyday just walking out the door. More room outside for me.

[Dana1963]

Are the hospitals getting paid thousands of dollars by the federal government for flu cases or just Covid cases? Asking for a friend who says “follow the money”
I heard it from a friend who new someone that heard it from a janitor at a hospital somewhere that your statement could possibly be true.

[asianthree]

Anyone needing non-COVID hospital services are also suffering. Elective diagnostics and surgerys are delayed leading to non-COVID deaths.

Most cruel is the inability to visit loved ones in the hospital.

More than 80% of surgeries are OP, so no beds required. Facilities are scheduling elective surgeries everyday.Still playing catch-up from 2020. Plus all of the off-site surgeries are up and running. Trauma and emergency surgeries are still happening 24/7.
The only downside for the surgeons if the patient is in FEAR of boarding surgeries. Reading and actually working in a surgical facility is very different of everyday life

[milling73]

These doom and gloom posts serve no purpose.

[Sheltie-Lover]

I doubt those 615,000 people that died care about your statistics.

[asianthree]

Hospitals are offering over $5,000 a week to traveling COVID nurses...

So far on the 4 travel sites that I belong to no facility is offering $5000 per week. But some are offering a one time bonus. But I am just skimming the hundreds of real opportunities weekly from some of the top agencies.

When you were offered $5000 a week did you have to travel to the Carolina’s, or did you get that money in Florida?

[Cobullymom]

I just want to give people a heads up no matter what your feeling now. I just found out 4 of my vaccinated friends have COVID... VERY BAD.. IV'S ADMINISTERED... AND a couple of months ago, another 2 of my friends got COVID, ONE with in 2 weeks, died, suffocated to death fast. The other was my brother 6 weeks in ICU almost lost him 3xs could not regulate heart, lungs filled with puss yes puss not Flem .. he is alive... 3 months later home and damage w blood clot.. this is no joke. pls even if you are vaccinated... masks and distance... its not a get out of jail card.. and the variant is spiking as we speak... oh ya.. on these people... it was there FAMILY MEMBERS THAT GAVE IT TO THEM....
No it was CHINA that gave it to them..stop the blame game…

[Florida17]

To put it in perspective if you are hospitalized with the flu you have a 7% chance of dying and about 1% with Covid.
Thank you

[Sheltie-Lover]

Rather crude and insensitive statements do not belong here.

[Cobullymom]

If you are vaccinated your risk of hospitalization is very low, and your risk of death is very, very low. It is mainly younger, unvaccinated people going to the hospital and unfortunately dying. It is their choice to not be vaccinated at this time so they will suffer the consequences.
I had Covid and I wasn’t vaccinated, and I’m not young nor dead…people and their fear mongering…never ends

[Cobullymom]

The article doesn't say what the age group affected (teens? 30-somethings?) or if they are Florida residents and other important information. We were told at the beginning of this that the important thing was to have the elderly and those at risk for complications to get vaccinated. We've done that as evidenced by Florida's herd immunity in that age demographic. You can't protect everyone from themselves in a free society! The vaccine in there, it's available, it's FREE! Sometimes you just have to let people live (or die) with their own choices.
I had Covid and I wasn’t vaccinated, and I’m not young, nor old, nor dead, I’m actually doing fine…people and their fear mongering…never ends

[Billy1]

My understanding is that hospitals are full of people dying from covid, the other info is a deflection from what is taking place.

[Altavia]

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When you were offered $5000 a week did you have to travel to the Carolina’s, or did you get that money in Florida?

Missouri

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

One doesn’t get the possible long term complications from the flu as they do with COVid - weakened heart and/or lung function, a host of other unbearable issues. You really want to take that kind of chance with your body?

They should be allowed to take their chances, as long as they sign a waiver stating that IF they end up with COVID symptoms, they were not permitted entry to the hospital. They can self-isolate until the symptoms subside or until they're dead - their choice.

[Blackbird45]

I don't know why people are debating influenza, pneumonia and covid deaths. Dead is dead, my wife and I got the shot for all three.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Just curious - Anyone know if the influx at the southern boarder has impacted number in FL - in the US?

The influx at the Texas border has had little to no impact on the number of people in Florida with COVID, because it has had little impact on the number of people in Florida, period.

Immigrants in from Mexico/Texas aren't being sent to Florida and told "be free!" and just cut loose at the airport. It just flat out isn't happening. It's fear-mongering, a CONTINUED attempt to blame Mexicans for all the ails of the USA, because the fear-mongerers don't want to admit that they could have done more right here in the states to reduce transmission, but chose not to.

Just like Europe blames the French, the USA blames the Mexicans or the Muslims, depending on the situation that week.

[rlcooper70]

Well ... the governor says that we have 'freedom' to choose in Florida ... I guess he's right on that. Why would someone choose to avoid getting the vaccine at this point? I don't get it.

[dolphin]

hospitals are offering over $5,000 a week to traveling covid nurses...

whaaaat

[JMintzer]

Just curious - Anyone know if the influx at the southern boarder has impacted number in FL - in the US?

Well, bus loads of "migrants" are being shipped to FL, so I'd say "yes"...

[Looking for next wife]

Best thing to do is lock yourself in a closet with a mask and face shield. You do that while I go out and play golf and enjoy my life. You can be hurt everyday just walking out the door. More room outside for me.


Wow, easily the most selfish and illogical thing I have ever heard of in my life referring to a pandemic. I am so sorry whatever happened to you in your past; or, better yet, what did not happen that made you think this way. With it's brevity, we can tell you really mean that.

[JMintzer]

They should be allowed to take their chances, as long as they sign a waiver stating that IF they end up with COVID symptoms, they were not permitted entry to the hospital. They can self-isolate until the symptoms subside or until they're dead - their choice.

WOW! I hope you never get sick from something that was "possibly" preventable...

[JMintzer]

The influx at the Texas border has had little to no impact on the number of people in Florida with COVID, because it has had little impact on the number of people in Florida, period.

Immigrants in from Mexico/Texas aren't being sent to Florida and told "be free!" and just cut loose at the airport. It just flat out isn't happening. It's fear-mongering, a CONTINUED attempt to blame Mexicans for all the ails of the USA, because the fear-mongerers don't want to admit that they could have done more right here in the states to reduce transmission, but chose not to.

Just like Europe blames the French, the USA blames the Mexicans or the Muslims, depending on the situation that week.

McAllen TX, has received 7,500 covid positive patients so far this year...

Many are being bussed to other States, as well, FL included...

Check out the "Whataburger story"...

South Texas Police Department Issues Public Health Announcement After COVID-Stricken Migrants Seen ‘Coughing, Sneezing’ At Whataburger – CBS Dallas / Fort Worth (https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/07/29/la-joya-covid-migrants-whataburger/)

[asianthree]

Missouri

Sent inquiries to all 4 of my agencies, only bonus5 showed up. But they will blanket all facilities.
Small facility’s that really need help don’t have that kind of money. Plus not only do they pay the staff, the agency get a hefty cut.

[Swoop]

One doesn’t get the possible long term complications from the flu as they do with COVid - weakened heart and/or lung function, a host of other unbearable issues. You really want to take that kind of chance with your body?
Not true - look it up. Covid long haul symptoms makes for great fear mongering news. Long haul flu symptoms don’t…

[jbrown132]

Florida now has 11,515 people hospitalized for Covid. This is a new record. Since Florida had a total population of 21.48 million. This means one in every 1865 Floridians is now hospitalized for Covid.

Despite record COVID-19 hospitalizations, Florida'''s governor says '''admissions have slowed''' (https://www.wptv.com/coronavirus/despite-record-covid-19-hospitalizations-floridas-governor-says-admissions-have-slowed)
Do you think that seventy percent of illegals coming over the border are being split between Florida and Texas might have something to do with that consider a significant number of those are testing positive for COVID. Is there a motive in that?

[Luggage]

I don't believe you have to let people die, we have plenty of laws that require school children to be vaccinated. I do believe you can and should protect people from their own stupidity

[Larchap49]

That is pretty much meaningless unless you care to explain why they explain 600,000 dead in the last 18 months from COVID and 20,000 dead from the flu.

PLEASE not the "600,000 is a hoax" answer... sigh

Why? because you know it's true and Covid is the flu, just another strain. Flip flopping, lying, spreading fear, it's just what our government is about these days. Anything is fair game to gain and keep the POWER, face it. It's very sad but very true.

[jberardi]

Amen…

[Larchap49]

More misinformation!

To really put it "in perspective" with the facts:

The hospital admission rate for COVID varies with age----2.5% ages 18-49, up to 17.2% age over 85, average 7.3%. Of those hospitalized, 15% died, could not get a breakdown by age, but WAY above 1%.

The hospitalization rate for seasonal influenza is 9.1/100,000 population or .0091%., and about 10% of Americans get the flu each year, so 0.091% vs. 7.3%
So your chances of ending up in the hospital with "the flu" is miniscule compared to COVID

I couldn't find an accurate number for the percentage of hospitalized flu cases that die, but we know the mortality rate year to year is about 0.1% of cases. The 15% deaths of 7.3% hospitalized COVID patients come to about 1%, or 10x as deadly as flu, which is in line with other known data

So bottom line, if that was hard to follow, is that you are MUCH MORE LIKELY to die of COVID than the flu.

PS: My numbers are all from the CDC especially MMWR. And yours?????

CDC, About as trustworthy as a door to door salesperson when he says trust me.

[Gmaf6]

True story....15 people in a bank branch became ill within a 10 day period. 8 were vaccinated, 7 not. At first, 6 tested positive for the flu and negative for CoVid, and 9 positive for CoVid. After a few more days of being ill, the 6 that tested positive for flu then tested positive for CoVid. No one was so ill to require hospitalization. The 16th person was sent for a test as she had a headache....2 tests later, she still tested negative. She was the only one who had CoVid originally, very sick, but recovered after a few months. The moral of the story - whether you get the shot or not, whether you get sick or not - it's a crap shoot. Your individual immune system plays a role....your co-morbidity plays a role. Bottom line - do what you feel is best for you and yours.

[Larchap49]

Aren't you the humanitarian

[MDLNB]

No it was CHINA that gave it to them..stop the blame game…




AND maybe the U.S. gave it to China to study and experiment upon?

[Marty94]

Florida now has 11,515 people hospitalized for Covid. This is a new record. Since Florida had a total population of 21.48 million. This means one in every 1865 Floridians is now hospitalized for Covid.

Despite record COVID-19 hospitalizations, Florida'''s governor says '''admissions have slowed''' (https://www.wptv.com/coronavirus/despite-record-covid-19-hospitalizations-floridas-governor-says-admissions-have-slowed)

While the Orlando Sentinel reported that the “number of people hospitalized for COVID-19 in Florida rose to an all-time high of 11,515 patients in one day, according to data the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services released Tuesday,” it did not say they were all residents of Florida.

Please look at the charts provided by the State.

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/covid19-data/covid19_data_latest.pdf

Each year, Florida gets millions of visitors. Visitflorida.org estimated that almost 80 million tourists came to Florida last year, and in past years visitors have exceeded 100 million. So, a reasonable assumption can be made that a percentage of hospitalizations are tourists.

[Irishmen]

AND maybe the U.S. gave it to China to study and experiment upon?

Find out who holds the patent to the virus and who holds the patent for the "cure" or jabs says all you need to know.

[COLTempleton]

First off, the CDC's credibility is just about zero right now. And to the person who doubts the COVID vaccine's effectiveness, yes it is much, much higher than the flu vaccine. COVID vaccine was made for the coronavirus; flu vaccines are based on the previous year's serotypes, which is sometimes hit or miss.
And as a retired aerosol research scientist, I say masks are minimally effective. GET THE VACCINE.

[graciegirl]

Why? because you know it's true and Covid is the flu, just another strain. Flip flopping, lying, spreading fear, it's just what our government is about these days. Anything is fair game to gain and keep the POWER, face it. It's very sad but very true.

Covid isn't just "the flu". Flip Flopping information occurs when more knowledge is available. The entire world, not just the U.S. learned during the last seventeen months. Far fewer are dying now, most older people here in The Villages are fully vaccinated and older people were most at risk of dying from it.

I think that it is still a very nasty virus and still quite dangerous to everyone. No one wants to be hospitalized or have their loved ones hospitalized. Get the vaccine please if you have not done so. That little ******* virus doesn't have a political view at all.

[jfkilduff]

Rainy season everyone runs for shelter congregates INSIDE. A little warm out lots of INDOOR activities unlike the northern states where folks are enjoying outdoor activities

[Rose Ann Vinci Igoe]

If you are vaccinated your risk of hospitalization is very low, and your risk of death is very, very low. It is mainly younger, unvaccinated people going to the hospital and unfortunately dying. It is their choice to not be vaccinated at this time so they will suffer the consequences.

I thought that too... BUT... I was just notified.... 4 vaccinated people from the same family just got exposed to COVID AND HAVE A BAD BAD CASE >. Enough to get IV INFUSIONs...vomiting, shakes, etc. Now get this... the whole family is vaccinated... but 4 out of 6 that gathered got it.. from one of the family members (who is vaccinated)... so I honestly don't see the Very Low Risk to the vaccinated... and the news is no longer saying low risk either... now for sure.. the unvax are great targets.. but don't be too confident if your vax... just saying pls... mask up and distance yourself still. The only good thing out of all this.. is more people are stepping up to be vaccinated and that's going to help every ones odds.

[forebubba]

They should be allowed to take their chances, as long as they sign a waiver stating that IF they end up with COVID symptoms, they were not permitted entry to the hospital. They can self-isolate until the symptoms subside or until they're dead - their choice.

I agree!!!!!
Vaccination $0.00
Hospital $ thousands.
Who pays for your stay in ICU?
The bill is yet to come. Insurance companies do not lose money.

[forebubba]

I had Covid and I wasn’t vaccinated, and I’m not young, nor old, nor dead, I’m actually doing fine…people and their fear mongering…never ends

Lucky for you
Give us 6 numbers between 1 and 54

[Vermilion Villager]

True story....15 people in a bank branch became ill within a 10 day period. 8 were vaccinated, 7 not. At first, 6 tested positive for the flu and negative for CoVid, and 9 positive for CoVid. After a few more days of being ill, the 6 that tested positive for flu then tested positive for CoVid. No one was so ill to require hospitalization. The 16th person was sent for a test as she had a headache....2 tests later, she still tested negative. She was the only one who had CoVid originally, very sick, but recovered after a few months. The moral of the story - whether you get the shot or not, whether you get sick or not - it's a crap shoot. Your individual immune system plays a role....your co-morbidity plays a role. Bottom line - do what you feel is best for you and yours.
Hmmmmm...........did a Google search of the phrase "15 people in a bank branch". Guess what???? came up in several right wing web sites. CONGRATULATIONS!!!! you know how to cut and paste....:BigApplause:

[forebubba]

The influx at the Texas border has had little to no impact on the number of people in Florida with COVID, because it has had little impact on the number of people in Florida, period.

Immigrants in from Mexico/Texas aren't being sent to Florida and told "be free!" and just cut loose at the airport. It just flat out isn't happening. It's fear-mongering, a CONTINUED attempt to blame Mexicans for all the ails of the USA, because the fear-mongerers don't want to admit that they could have done more right here in the states to reduce transmission, but chose not to.

Just like Europe blames the French, the USA blames the Mexicans or the Muslims, depending on the situation that week.

Nearly 200,000 people are turned away at the border every month. It is not an open boarder for all. Why do they come here? What is the root problem?

[MrZero]

Anyone needing non-COVID hospital services are also suffering. Elective diagnostics and surgerys are delayed leading to non-COVID deaths.

Most cruel is the inability to visit loved ones in the hospital.

“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

― Benjamin Franklin

I agree with Ben. Just sayin' 😁

[NoMoSno]

Nearly 200,000 people are turned away at the border every month. It is not an open boarder for all. Why do they come here? What is the root problem?
Why don't they continue on into Canada?

[Lindsyburnsy]

With soaring COVID cases and hospitalizations, the Governor thinks now is a good time to withdraw funding from schools if they mandate masks? First of all, it is the kids money, not his and secondly punishment for attempting to prevent disease? What a political clown.

[talonip]

If you are vaccinated your risk of hospitalization is very low, and your risk of death is very, very low. It is mainly younger, unvaccinated people going to the hospital and unfortunately dying. It is their choice to not be vaccinated at this time so they will suffer the consequences.
There have been over 5000 deaths from the so called vaccination. The second shot can be deadly. Survival rates are 98.5% untreated over all age groups. Adding treatments like hydroxychloriquin, ivermectin, monoclonal antibodys and more increase the survival by over 60%.

I am not living in fear.

[lkagele]

AND maybe the U.S. gave it to China to study and experiment upon?

No but the US certainly funded some gain of research being done in China. That's why Fauci and Daszak have been lying about the virus from day one. It's called deflection.

[Lindsyburnsy]

How about doing the humanity thing and vaccinate these immigrants? There’s more than enough vaccine that the southern states aren’t using. Close the border.

[MrZero]

I don't believe you have to let people die, we have plenty of laws that require school children to be vaccinated. I do believe you can and should protect people from their own stupidity

I guess you are living in the wrong country . . . or maybe I am. 🤣🤣🤣

[forebubba]

There have been over 5000 deaths from the so called vaccination. The second shot can be deadly. Survival rates are 98.5% untreated over all age groups. Adding treatments like hydroxychloriquin, ivermectin, monoclonal antibodys and more increase the survival by over 60%.

I am not living in fear.

WOW JUST WOW
Where did you get this info?

[lkagele]

Nearly 200,000 people are turned away at the border every month. It is not an open boarder for all. Why do they come here? What is the root problem?

You must be talking about the prior administration. From MSN, hardly a right wing leaning news organization, here's what is happening now.

Biden Admin. Relaunches ‘Catch and Release’ as Illegal Border Crossings Return to ‘Crisis’ Levels (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/biden-admin-relaunches-catch-and-release-as-illegal-border-crossings-return-to-crisis-levels/ar-BB1dqEVS)

The root cause is the US taxpayer is giving them free benefits.

[Vermilion Villager]

How about doing the humanity thing and vaccinate these immigrants? There’s more than enough vaccine that the southern states aren’t using.

Starting this week all immigrants are receiving vaccinations....:ho:

[lkagele]

Why don't they continue on into Canada?

Because that border is closed.....

[lkagele]

With soaring COVID cases and hospitalizations, the Governor thinks now is a good time to withdraw funding from schools if they mandate masks? First of all, it is the kids money, not his and secondly punishment for attempting to prevent disease? What a political clown.

Welcome to the Free State of Florida. He is letting the parents decide. He doesn't want some unelected bureaucrat/union official making the decision of what's right or wrong for the parent's kids.

[forebubba]

You must be talking about the prior administration. From MSN, hardly a right wing leaning news organization, here's what is happening now.

Biden Admin. Relaunches ‘Catch and Release’ as Illegal Border Crossings Return to ‘Crisis’ Levels (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/biden-admin-relaunches-catch-and-release-as-illegal-border-crossings-return-to-crisis-levels/ar-BB1dqEVS)

The root cause is the US taxpayer is giving them free benefits.

Look up June and July 2021. Was not past admin. What do they get for free?

[Ski Bum]

That is pretty much meaningless unless you care to explain why they explain 600,000 dead in the last 18 months from COVID and 20,000 dead from the flu.

PLEASE not the "600,000 is a hoax" answer... sigh

Because if you die in a car wreck, and you test positive, you died from COVID. A bit of an exaggeration, yeah, but just a bit.

[Boomer]

Florida now:

12,408 Covid hospitalizations in Florida

135 children

School funding to be pulled for schools that require masks

Children being used as pawns

[Bill14564]

There have been over 5000 deaths from the so called vaccination. The second shot can be deadly. Survival rates are 98.5% untreated over all age groups. Adding treatments like hydroxychloriquin, ivermectin, monoclonal antibodys and more increase the survival by over 60%.

I am not living in fear.

More BS misinformation with absolutely nothing to back it up. The only believable number is the 98.5%.

You may not be living in fear but you are demonstrating that you are living in ignorance.

[Bella6368]

It means exactly what it says. If someone is hospitalized with the flu he is much more likely to die than from Covid. Another example is Ebola which if hospitalized has a mortality rate of 40%. Since you quoted hospitalizations I thought it would be informative to know how likely one were to die if hospitalized.

—————- mortality if hospitalized—-
Common cold. 0%
Covid Delta………1%
Influenza………….7%
Ebola…………….. 40%

We have vaccines highly effective against Covid 95%+ but influenza vaccines are only 40% to 60% effective .
Many, many more people have been infected with Covid than the flu so the total number of death is higher this year. But the flu is more deadly.


Do your research, all those Covid numbers of death were unfounded. Did you know this?
Fraudulent PCR Tests EXPOSED! CDC Quietly Withdraws Emergency Use Authorization Due to Inability to Differentiate COVID-19 & Influenza. That's why the flu suddenly disappeared when Covid came on board. Fear mongering really works well.

[nick demis]

Florida now has 11,515 people hospitalized for Covid. This is a new record. Since Florida had a total population of 21.48 million. This means one in every 1865 Floridians is now hospitalized for Covid.

Despite record COVID-19 hospitalizations, Florida'''s governor says '''admissions have slowed''' (https://www.wptv.com/coronavirus/despite-record-covid-19-hospitalizations-floridas-governor-says-admissions-have-slowed)

OMG Every one is going to die from covid we should all lock ourselves in the basement.
Please do so the rest of us can get on with our life and not be bothered by you wackos.

[Dana1963]

There have been over 5000 deaths from the so called vaccination. The second shot can be deadly. Survival rates are 98.5% untreated over all age groups. Adding treatments like hydroxychloriquin, ivermectin, monoclonal antibodys and more increase the survival by over 60%.

I am not living in fear.
It’s as if 45 wasted BILLIONS on a Vaccine we really didn’t need!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Do your research, all those Covid numbers of death were unfounded. Did you know this?
Fraudulent PCR Tests EXPOSED! CDC Quietly Withdraws Emergency Use Authorization Due to Inability to Differentiate COVID-19 & Influenza. That's why the flu suddenly disappeared when Covid came on board. Fear mongering really works well.

You got that headline from one of several alt-right white conspiracy "the election was a fraud" science-denying anti-vaxx political Proud White Klan Boys websites. I just copied and pasted the entire line to a google search and those were the ONLY places I saw it.

Not even typical right-wing or somewhat conservative websites had that headline. It was only the extremists - the domestic terrorist daily news sites.

[regas56]

So far on the 4 travel sites that I belong to no facility is offering $5000 per week. But some are offering a one time bonus. But I am just skimming the hundreds of real opportunities weekly from some of the top agencies.

When you were offered $5000 a week did you have to travel to the Carolina’s, or did you get that money in Florida? I spent 4 days in a level 4 trauma Hospital being monitored for a different medicine and had a total of 3 out of state Covid Nurses, one from Orlando and 2 from Texas and they told me their incentives were nearly twice their normal rate and they got living expenses..One Texas Nurse said she'll make a years salary in her 4 month term. When I asked why they were helping me they said because they're aren't enough Covid patients in the hospital at that time other than Covid RELATED illnesses so they were using them elsewhere.. This was in late March however however..

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Florida now has 11,515 people hospitalized for Covid. This is a new record. Since Florida had a total population of 21.48 million. This means one in every 1865 Floridians is now hospitalized for Covid.

Despite record COVID-19 hospitalizations, Florida'''s governor says '''admissions have slowed''' (https://www.wptv.com/coronavirus/despite-record-covid-19-hospitalizations-floridas-governor-says-admissions-have-slowed)

Admissions have slowed because they've run out of space to admit them.

[Dana1963]

There have been over 5000 deaths from the so called vaccination. The second shot can be deadly. Survival rates are 98.5% untreated over all age groups. Adding treatments like hydroxychloriquin, ivermectin, monoclonal antibodys and more increase the survival by over 60%.

I am not living in fear.
It’s as if 45 wasted BILLIONS on a Vaccine we really didn’t need!

[Flillini]

I personally know of eleven people that had a relative that was added to list of covid deaths. All of them were already sick with other diseases like ALS, alzheimers (stopped eating), heart conditions, etc.. or just plain old. Each one had underlying conditions that were leading to death soon. All eleven were listed as cause of death as covid?? Numbers don't add up. Too much money given to hospitals if covid listed as cause of death.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Because if you die in a car wreck, and you test positive, you died from COVID. A bit of an exaggeration, yeah, but just a bit.

Proof?

[Bob.Betty]

I'm old and unvaccinated, haven't been sick a day in my life

[JustRita]

.005% are under the age of 24

[Swoop]

Because if you die in a car wreck, and you test positive, you died from COVID. A bit of an exaggeration, yeah, but just a bit.

You should listen to this:
https://hoiabc.com/2020/04/20/idph-director-explains-how-covid-deaths-are-classified/

[KRMACK55]

I just want to give people a heads up no matter what your feeling now. I just found out 4 of my vaccinated friends have COVID... VERY BAD.. IV'S ADMINISTERED... AND a couple of months ago, another 2 of my friends got COVID, ONE with in 2 weeks, died, suffocated to death fast. The other was my brother 6 weeks in ICU almost lost him 3xs could not regulate heart, lungs filled with puss yes puss not Flem .. he is alive... 3 months later home and damage w blood clot.. this is no joke. pls even if you are vaccinated... masks and distance... its not a get out of jail card.. and the variant is spiking as we speak... oh ya.. on these people... it was there FAMILY MEMBERS THAT GAVE IT TO THEM....
Curious how old is your brother ?

[KRMACK55]

That is pretty much meaningless unless you care to explain why they explain 600,000 dead in the last 18 months from COVID and 20,000 dead from the flu.

PLEASE not the "600,000 is a hoax" answer... sigh
600,000 did not die from the virus. All states were incentivized to put Covid on death certificates and health departments reported deaths that way. My friend in Illinois lost her mother at 93. She didn’t have Covid yet the death certificate said that’s what she died from. Cancer flu heart disease accidents etc got reported as Covid. Wonder how many autopsies were done to investigate further.

[B-flat]

close the border.

Amen!

[KRMACK55]

They no longer know these numbers to be true due to the failed PCR testing results being what ever virus dead or alive showed up...half could have been a bad flu for all you know.
A friend just attended a music festival out of state. Before she returned she had a PCR test and sent me a copy the test stated negative but then below that it states that PCR tests have a false positive and false negative 4/7 times.This was 3 days ago I was shocked at that form, performed at Emory hospital in Atlanta.

[richs631]

Florida now has 11,515 people hospitalized for Covid. This is a new record. Since Florida had a total population of 21.48 million. This means one in every 1865 Floridians is now hospitalized for Covid.

Despite record COVID-19 hospitalizations, Florida'''s governor says '''admissions have slowed''' (https://www.wptv.com/coronavirus/despite-record-covid-19-hospitalizations-floridas-governor-says-admissions-have-slowed)

Don’t believe everything you hear in the media. The media hates our governor so they attack him on everything. If this country was so worried about Covid they would stop the hundreds of thousands of illegals crossing our border. No vaccinations for them and their not even wearing masks. But in NYC you can’t sit in a restaurant unless your vaccinated. Wake up people. Rules for some and none for others. Before you all jump down my throat I’m for vaccinations. Ask yourself why the double standard?

[richs631]

That is pretty much meaningless unless you care to explain why they explain 600,000 dead in the last 18 months from COVID and 20,000 dead from the flu.

PLEASE not the "600,000 is a hoax" answer... sigh

Get vaccinated. Why don’t you call the White House and ask them why hundreds of thousands can cross the border with no vaccine or even a mask but I have to show a negative test when I return from international travel. Why the double standard. Why is it harder for a US citizen to enter this country than a illegal

[cherylncliff]

To put it in perspective if you are hospitalized with the flu you have a 7% chance of dying and about 1% with Covid.

NOT TRUE! From the Lancet, a respected medical journal:

The presentation of patients with COVID-19 and seasonal influenza requiring hospitalization differs considerably. Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 is likely to have a higher potential for respiratory pathogenicity, leading to more respiratory complications and to higher mortality. In children, although the rate of hospitalization for COVID-19 appears to be lower than for influenza, in-hospital mortality is higher;

[richs631]

Close the border.

Someone with common sense. Thank you

[Buckeye Bob]

Best thing to do is lock yourself in a closet with a mask and face shield. You do that while I go out and play golf and enjoy my life. You can be hurt everyday just walking out the door. More room outside for me.

Love your attitude. The 3rd leading cause of death is MEDICAL errors.

[merrymini]

That is pretty much meaningless unless you care to explain why they explain 600,000 dead in the last 18 months from COVID and 20,000 dead from the flu.

PLEASE not the "600,000 is a hoax" answer... sigh
The death numbers from 2020 do not support this information

[Flillini]

I had covid. Had the chills for about half day. Lost sense of smell. Had a cough for couple of days. Nothing compared to times I had the flu. No problems since then.

[Flillini]

Amazing how flu and common cold have all but disappeared!?

[hrenner]

It is NOT more deadly. If a person is HOSPITALIZED that statistic may be true, but the vast majority of flue patients are NOT hospitalized. Flue is NOT MORE DEADLY

[Bill14564]

The death numbers from 2020 do not support this information

The death numbers from 2020 have been shown multiple times in various threads. What do you mean they don’t support this information and what data do you have for that assertion?

[Waltdisney4life]

Same old bs!!!

[g142056]

You numbers are very misleading. When they figure COVID numbers it is based on number of people that have positive tests. The flu numbers are based on total population. You can use percentages, you can make percentages look good or bad depending on what your motive is so please don't use misleading numbers, this is the fear mongering the press does

More misinformation!

To really put it "in perspective" with the facts:

The hospital admission rate for COVID varies with age----2.5% ages 18-49, up to 17.2% age over 85, average 7.3%. Of those hospitalized, 15% died, could not get a breakdown by age, but WAY above 1%.

The hospitalization rate for seasonal influenza is 9.1/100,000 population or .0091%., and about 10% of Americans get the flu each year, so 0.091% vs. 7.3%
So your chances of ending up in the hospital with "the flu" is miniscule compared to COVID

I couldn't find an accurate number for the percentage of hospitalized flu cases that die, but we know the mortality rate year to year is about 0.1% of cases. The 15% deaths of 7.3% hospitalized COVID patients come to about 1%, or 10x as deadly as flu, which is in line with other known data

So bottom line, if that was hard to follow, is that you are MUCH MORE LIKELY to die of COVID than the flu.

PS: My numbers are all from the CDC especially MMWR. And yours?????

[MDLNB]

Nearly 200,000 people are turned away at the border every month. It is not an open boarder for all. Why do they come here? What is the root problem?


The gates are not OPEN but the rest of the border IS OPEN. How many folks are turned down for visas to our country? Lots is the right answer. Our borders being open are telling folks that it is better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Because if you die in a car wreck, and you test positive, you died from COVID. A bit of an exaggeration, yeah, but just a bit.

Okay, were will ignore the fact-checking of false attributions that has been done over and over.

30,000 deaths from auto accidents every year (roughly) so, if we say ALL of them are attributed to COVID and not drunk driving or running off clifts etc. Then, please explain away the other 570,000 COVID deaths.

[jimjamuser]

Anyone needing non-COVID hospital services are also suffering. Elective diagnostics and surgerys are delayed leading to non-COVID deaths.

Most cruel is the inability to visit loved ones in the hospital.
Last week I stated that elective surgeries were stopping at Florida hospitals and was "poo /pood" and ridiculed because of it. This week it is just an accepted fact. That shows just how FAST the situation is changing because of DELTA. And Florida's CV statistics show that the human-designed agencies paid for by taxpayers were inept and "asleep at the switch" when it comes to fulfilling their prime directive - namely to keep Floridians SAFE from all enemies-domestic or foreign - whether Virus-sized or larger. So, keep throwing your taxpayer money away on an inept product!

[Spalumbos62]

If you are vaccinated your risk of hospitalization is very low, and your risk of death is very, very low. It is mainly younger, unvaccinated people going to the hospital and unfortunately dying. It is their choice to not be vaccinated at this time so they will suffer the consequences.


Sad, but so true.

[carlanddiane]

Sad, but so true.
everyone should have the right to choose whether they get the vaccine or not but maybe they should be denied hospital treatment if they come down with a verified case of covid

[Spalumbos62]

EXACTLY. Operation Warp Speed gave us two excellent vaccines but the rollout this year has been a disaster for lack of leadership and Covid infected illegal immigrants being seeded across the country.

"This is a guy who ran for office saying he’s going to shut down the virus," DeSantis added. "And what has he done? He’s imported more virus from around the world by having a wide open southern border."


My thought is the lack of true leadership from our wonderful governor of fl.
He has a big mouth that doesn't stop, just the wrong stuff comes out.
Case in point...look at these hospital numbers we are referencing and he doesn't care if the kids wear mask or not. I don't get him, I'm embarrassed for him. Then the pres says do it right or get out of the way and he replies with come get me....oh brother, for the love of god, and we wonder where the hostility comes from.....

[Swoop]

everyone should have the right to choose whether they get the vaccine or not but maybe they should be denied hospital treatment if they come down with a verified case of covid
Everyone should have the right to choose whether they overeat or not, but maybe they should be denied hospital treatment it they have health issues due to obesity…
I can continue to use other examples, but I would hope you get the point…

[jimjamuser]

EXACTLY. Operation Warp Speed gave us two excellent vaccines but the rollout this year has been a disaster for lack of leadership and Covid infected illegal immigrants being seeded across the country.

"This is a guy who ran for office saying he’s going to shut down the virus," DeSantis added. "And what has he done? He’s imported more virus from around the world by having a wide open southern border."
The rollout of the vaccines HAS been a disaster! Not because of the reason stated in the post, but due to the unpatriotic, unAmerican attitudes and actions of the anti-vaccine cult. This disaster was preventable. Vaccines were available to ALL adult Americans, but propaganda media sold almost 1/2 of America into NOT receiving the life-saving vaccines. Now late in the game, some are starting to pick life and vaccines over phony propaganda. And the DELTA variant says, "thanks for leaving the door wide open for me for so long".

[Spalumbos62]

How about doing the humanity thing and vaccinate these immigrants? There’s more than enough vaccine that the southern states aren’t using.


I heard just yesterday they are.

[Timothyimitchell]

to put it in perspective if you are hospitalized with the flu you have a 7% chance of dying and about 1% with covid.

this

[Aloha1]

Florida now has 11,515 people hospitalized for Covid. This is a new record. Since Florida had a total population of 21.48 million. This means one in every 1865 Floridians is now hospitalized for Covid.

Despite record COVID-19 hospitalizations, Florida'''s governor says '''admissions have slowed''' (https://www.wptv.com/coronavirus/despite-record-covid-19-hospitalizations-floridas-governor-says-admissions-have-slowed)

A better way to look at it is .0005% are in the hospital. And most never got the shots.

[Spalumbos62]

Everyone should have the right to choose whether they overeat or not, but maybe they should be denied hospital treatment it they have health issues due to obesity…
I can continue to usze other examples, but I would hope you get the point…


I get what you are saying...but that is long term...this is different, it's a pandemic...they have the choice right now to choose the shot to prevent, they put their foot down and say no......ok...no soup for you......or else...you pay that hospital bill. Or.... since they feel it's just a flu type thing...stay home and nurse it yourself....either way...good luck

[Swoop]

I get what you are saying...but that is long term...this is different, it's a pandemic...they have the choice right now to choose the shot to prevent, they put their foot down and say no......ok...no soup for you......or else...you pay that hospital bill. Or.... since they feel it's just a flu type thing...stay home and nurse it yourself....either way...good luck
So let’s try out your new twist. Smoking is okay because it’s long term, but if you walk outside in a thunderstorm and get hit by lightning - it’s your fault since you could have prevented it, and it’s short term…

[LucyP]

The numbers are not only COVID counts. It’s a total beds that have patients. ( surgery patients-other related sickness )CEO of hospitals explained! The numbers for covid is down in the hospitals. Stop panicking . Yes new viruses bringing in new patients. Get the shot! Be careful. Prayers for border to be close, they are bringing in virus and more.

[jimjamuser]

So far on the 4 travel sites that I belong to no facility is offering $5000 per week. But some are offering a one time bonus. But I am just skimming the hundreds of real opportunities weekly from some of the top agencies.

When you were offered $5000 a week did you have to travel to the Carolina’s, or did you get that money in Florida?
$25,000 sign-on bonus for nurses in Arkansas.

[golfing eagles]

CDC, About as trustworthy as a door to door salesperson when he says trust me.

And you know more than they do, right.......??????

[golfing eagles]

Love your attitude. The 3rd leading cause of death is MEDICAL errors.

Except that statement is an ERROR. Not even close to true.

[JMintzer]

Starting this week all immigrants are receiving vaccinations....:ho:

Just a tad late...

Plus, many have been refusing vaccinations...

[JMintzer]

Florida now:

12,408 Covid hospitalizations in Florida

135 children

School funding to be pulled for schools that require masks

Children being used as pawns

They've been used as pawns by the teacher's union for the last year and a half...

[MDLNB]

But apparently you are living in Fantasyland The ONLY true statement in that post is that survival is 98.5% all comers. Everything else can be slopped on a pig.
Not meaning to argue with you but how are they treating infections and what is the increase in survival rate due to their new found treatment?

[golfing eagles]

Not meaning to argue with you but how are they treating infections and what is the increase in survival rate due to their new found treatment?

I think you would need to direct that question to the person I was responding to. I think his post included something like 5000 deaths from the vaccine and other nonsense.

But to question your question, who is treating what infections with what that increases survival from what?

[JMintzer]

Proof?

Illinois Department of Health stated that ANYONE who had covid at the time of death, regardless of the cause of death would be counted as a covid death...

IDPH Director explains how Covid deaths are classified (https://week.com/2020/04/20/idph-director-explains-how-covid-deaths-are-classified/)

[JMintzer]

Last week I stated that elective surgeries were stopping at Florida hospitals and was "poo /pood" and ridiculed because of it. This week it is just an accepted fact. That shows just how FAST the situation is changing because of DELTA. And Florida's CV statistics show that the human-designed agencies paid for by taxpayers were inept and "asleep at the switch" when it comes to fulfilling their prime directive - namely to keep Floridians SAFE from all enemies-domestic or foreign - whether Virus-sized or larger. So, keep throwing your taxpayer money away on an inept product!

Care to back up that "accepted fact"?

Not that I don't take your word for it, but I don't...

[MDLNB]

I think you would need to direct that question to the person I was responding to. I think his post included something like 5000 deaths from the vaccine and other nonsense.

But to question your question, who is treating what infections with what that increases survival from what?


Since you are the resident expert I was asking how the hospital patients were being treated and how the recent success has changed the survival rate. The reason I ask is that they do not seem to need the respirators as much as they did in the beginning of the crisis. I would think that the success they have had in hospitals would be a positive factor in survival rate of the virus.

[JMintzer]

Okay, were will ignore the fact-checking of false attributions that has been done over and over.

30,000 deaths from auto accidents every year (roughly) so, if we say ALL of them are attributed to COVID and not drunk driving or running off clifts etc. Then, please explain away the other 570,000 COVID deaths.

The CDC states that of the supposed 600K+ covid deaths, only 300K (or so) were directly due to covid...

[Altavia]

Sent inquiries to all 4 of my agencies, only bonus5 showed up. But they will blanket all facilities.
Small facility’s that really need help don’t have that kind of money. Plus not only do they pay the staff, the agency get a hefty cut.

Couldn't find the Missouri post but Ads like this are popping up on my FB page.

[golfing eagles]

Since you are the resident expert I was asking how the hospital patients were being treated and how the recent success has changed the survival rate. The reason I ask is that they do not seem to need the respirators as much as they did in the beginning of the crisis. I would think that the success they have had in hospitals would be a positive factor in survival rate of the virus.

Well, I've been retired 6 years so I am not actively treating COVID patients in an inpatient setting. I do however still talk with colleagues that are still in practice and have a reasonable understanding of medicine.

I think the answer to your question is multifactorial:

First, even a year ago, I think the media hype over mechanical ventilation was more than the number of respirators that were actually used----NY is a good example.

Next, the treatment remains largely supportive----fluids, mechanical ventilation if needed, standard antivirals and the usual antibiotics for secondary bacterial infections.

And some of these patients have been vaccinated so they probably do better because of that.

But probably the biggest reason for better survival is that providers have gained more experience treating these cases---almost all diseases do better as experience treating them is gained.

[Ben Franklin]

The numbers are not only COVID counts. It’s a total beds that have patients. ( surgery patients-other related sickness )CEO of hospitals explained! The numbers for covid is down in the hospitals. Stop panicking . Yes new viruses bringing in new patients. Get the shot! Be careful. Prayers for border to be close, they are bringing in virus and more.
The border is closed. It has been closed since last year, except for unaccompanied children. Where did you get your information?

The following is from Homeland Security, but I have not been to the border to see for myself, and I'm certainly not going to listen to politicians tell me there is a crisis.

Statement by Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro N. Mayorkas Regarding the Situation at the Southwest Border | Homeland Security (https://www.dhs.gov/news/2021/03/16/statement-homeland-security-secretary-alejandro-n-mayorkas-regarding-situation)

[MDLNB]

Well, I've been retired 6 years so I am not actively treating COVID patients in an inpatient setting. I do however still talk with colleagues that are still in practice and have a reasonable understanding of medicine.

I think the answer to your question is multifactorial:

First, even a year ago, I think the media hype over mechanical ventilation was more than the number of respirators that were actually used----NY is a good example.

Next, the treatment remains largely supportive----fluids, mechanical ventilation if needed, standard antivirals and the usual antibiotics for secondary bacterial infections.

And some of these patients have been vaccinated so they probably do better because of that.

But probably the biggest reason for better survival is that providers have gained more experience treating these cases---almost all diseases do better as experience treating them is gained.


Did not mean to hijack the thread but I was wondering what medications were being used now, antibiotics or what? I had read that the patients hospitalized were non-vaxxed so the survivors must have been receiving updated, improved treatment.

[jimjamuser]

Well ... the governor says that we have 'freedom' to choose in Florida ... I guess he's right on that. Why would someone choose to avoid getting the vaccine at this point? I don't get it.
And students in schools in most Florida counties have the option of mask or no mask. So, likely, the parents that do NOT believe in vaccines or masks will send THEIR children to school. And the parents that would PREFER a mask mandate are basically screwed. Currently, many parents are NOT going back to their jobs nationwide and particularly in Florida because they might BE FORCED to home-school their children. IMO this is a terrible hardship of decision and confusion to FORCE on young parents ( who are the future of this state and the US).

Of course, one solution to this problem would be to have separate schools - one for the maskless unvaccinated and another for masked and vaccinated children. Also, of course, very few Floridian taxpayers are going to agree to have their property taxed DOUBLED to pay for dual-track schools. And even if possible, it IS too late to put it in place for this school year.

So, back to parents being "used and abused" particularly in Florida......many will be paying taxes for schools and receiving NO benefits while home-schooling children. This will have the long-term result of "dumbing down" US future society. I personally, do NOT believe that this is some conspiracy situation of a conscientious nature. I just warn that the long-term effect could be a regretful blunder.

[MDLNB]

The border is closed. It has been closed since last year, except for unaccompanied children. Where did you get your information?

The following is from Homeland Security, but I have not been to the border to see for myself, and I'm certainly not going to listen to politicians tell me there is a crisis.

Statement by Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro N. Mayorkas Regarding the Situation at the Southwest Border | Homeland Security (https://www.dhs.gov/news/2021/03/16/statement-homeland-security-secretary-alejandro-n-mayorkas-regarding-situation)


Closing the border gates does not seem to be reducing the amount of illegals entering. Yes, the border is open.

[Bill14564]

The CDC states that of the supposed 600K+ covid deaths, only 300K (or so) were directly due to covid...

Not sure what point you are trying to make, but if only 300K (or so) were directly due to covid.... then what were the other 300K due to?

It is not debatable that there were over 500,000 excess deaths in 2020. I believe suicides went up some but it has been asserted that flu deaths went down. If some auto accidents were attributed to covid then those went down a little but I'm sure other categories, perhaps heart disease, went up a little. But overall, there have been more than 600,000 excess deaths.

If only 300,000 of those excess deaths can be attributed to covid, then what happened in the last 18 months to cause an additional 300,000 deaths ABOVE what is normal even with covid included?

[MDLNB]

And students in schools in most Florida counties have the option of mask or no mask. So, likely, the parents that do NOT believe in vaccines or masks will send THEIR children to school. And the parents that would PREFER a mask mandate are basically screwed. Currently, many parents are NOT going back to their jobs nationwide and particularly in Florida because they might BE FORCED to home-school their children. IMO this is a terrible hardship of decision and confusion to FORCE on young parents ( who are the future of this state and the US).

Of course, one solution to this problem would be to have separate schools - one for the maskless unvaccinated and another for masked and vaccinated children. Also, of course, very few Floridian taxpayers are going to agree to have their property taxed DOUBLED to pay for dual-track schools. And even if possible, it IS too late to put it in place for this school year.

So, back to parents being "used and abused" particularly in Florida......many will be paying taxes for schools and receiving NO benefits while home-schooling children. This will have the long-term result of "dumbing down" US future society. I personally, do NOT believe that this is some conspiracy situation of a conscientious nature. I just warn that the long-term effect could be a regretful blunder.


Uh, the rest of us are paying taxes to pay for schooling also and do not have children in school. Recon we don't see "benefits" either. I agree that it is possible for home schooling to "dumb down" the kids, but sending them to public school is "dumbing them down" anyway. The kids will be fine as long as adults don't find the need to use them for political purposes. Let them go back to school and worry about infection and seriousness when it happens.

[lkagele]

NOT TRUE! From the Lancet, a respected medical journal:

The presentation of patients with COVID-19 and seasonal influenza requiring hospitalization differs considerably. Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 is likely to have a higher potential for respiratory pathogenicity, leading to more respiratory complications and to higher mortality. In children, although the rate of hospitalization for COVID-19 appears to be lower than for influenza, in-hospital mortality is higher;

Poppycock. The Lancet is anything but respected when it comes to info on COVID. Article stating HQC was deadly to hospitalized patients was retracted. It published a letter from 'respected' MD's stating COVID was natural and not man made. Pretty obvious that's not the truth.

[MDLNB]

Not sure what point you are trying to make, but if only 300K (or so) were directly due to covid.... then what were the other 300K due to?

It is not debatable that there were over 500,000 excess deaths in 2020. I believe suicides went up some but it has been asserted that flu deaths went down. If some auto accidents were attributed to covid then those went down a little but I'm sure other categories, perhaps heart disease, went up a little. But overall, there have been more than 600,000 excess deaths.

If only 300,000 of those excess deaths can be attributed to covid, then what happened in the last 18 months to cause an additional 300,000 deaths ABOVE what is normal even with covid included?


Who says none of the deaths were related to the FLU? They are saying that the tests do not know the difference between COVID and the FLU and that is why they are discontinuing the test, right? Some deaths were classified "death WITH Covid" and some were classified as BY Covid. Maybe the death count related to Covid is padded? Just guessing.

[jimjamuser]

Do you think that seventy percent of illegals coming over the border are being split between Florida and Texas might have something to do with that consider a significant number of those are testing positive for COVID. Is there a motive in that?
Well..........TV Land is a MAGNET for illegals because of all the construction jobs and lawn mowing and landscaping projects and associated jobs for them. So, we ourselves are very much to blame for the rush over the border.

[lkagele]

But apparently you are living in Fantasyland The ONLY true statement in that post is that survival is 98.5% all comers. Everything else can be slopped on a pig.

From the CDC's VARES site in May that tracks adverse reactions:

Notable
Deaths, Reported: 3,018

I remember hearing that figure went up over 5,000 until the CDC tweaked the numbers bringing them down considerably. Not sure what the criteria is in coming up with the VARES figures but to me it simply gives another reason not to trust the CDC.

[DFEECH]

COVID Vaccine Data (https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data)

[lkagele]

Not sure what point you are trying to make, but if only 300K (or so) were directly due to covid.... then what were the other 300K due to?

It is not debatable that there were over 500,000 excess deaths in 2020. I believe suicides went up some but it has been asserted that flu deaths went down. If some auto accidents were attributed to covid then those went down a little but I'm sure other categories, perhaps heart disease, went up a little. But overall, there have been more than 600,000 excess deaths.

If only 300,000 of those excess deaths can be attributed to covid, then what happened in the last 18 months to cause an additional 300,000 deaths ABOVE what is normal even with covid included?

My guess is the other 300,000 were due to hospitals receiving bonus payments for every COVID death recorded.

[JMintzer]

Not sure what point you are trying to make, but if only 300K (or so) were directly due to covid.... then what were the other 300K due to?

It is not debatable that there were over 500,000 excess deaths in 2020. I believe suicides went up some but it has been asserted that flu deaths went down. If some auto accidents were attributed to covid then those went down a little but I'm sure other categories, perhaps heart disease, went up a little. But overall, there have been more than 600,000 excess deaths.

If only 300,000 of those excess deaths can be attributed to covid, then what happened in the last 18 months to cause an additional 300,000 deaths ABOVE what is normal even with covid included?

They were really, really sick... A stiff breeze woulda' got them...

ie, Hospice patients, COPD patients, Cancer patients, etc...

And you're assuming that that would be 300K ABOVE normal...

[Bill14564]

My guess is the other 300,000 were due to hospitals receiving bonus payments for every COVID death recorded.

Then there are no cold bodies to go along with those 300,000? There were only 3.1M deaths in 2020 and not the 3.4M+ that the CDC is reporting?

[JMintzer]

Then there are no cold bodies to go along with those 300,000? There were only 3.1M deaths in 2020 and not the 3.4M+ that the CDC is reporting?

The CDC has been all over the place with regards to the number of deaths...

[jswirs]

And you know more than they do, right.......??????
I am not the poster you are referring to, and I do not know more than the CDC, but I do know that our government, and their agencies, are not trustworthy. Just look at the case of water quality in Flint, Michigan, how about the air quality for first responders of 911, not to mention the fact that agent orange was "safe" to use as a defoliant. Hell, they didn't even call Viet-Nam a war, they called it a conflict so they could get away with minimizing benefits for veterans. And we are to trust our great government, and the agencies they have created?? No thanks, not me.

[jimjamuser]

While the Orlando Sentinel reported that the “number of people hospitalized for COVID-19 in Florida rose to an all-time high of 11,515 patients in one day, according to data the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services released Tuesday,” it did not say they were all residents of Florida.

Please look at the charts provided by the State.

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/covid19-data/covid19_data_latest.pdf

Each year, Florida gets millions of visitors. Visitflorida.org estimated that almost 80 million tourists came to Florida last year, and in past years visitors have exceeded 100 million. So, a reasonable assumption can be made that a percentage of hospitalizations are tourists.
I don't see the importance of that DETAIL. A CV hospitalization RECORD is a BAD thing. The CV trend is NOT Florida's friend. The BIG PICTURE remains the same - get vaccinated before Lambda or some future variant can COMPLETELY overpower our Hospital systems.

[coffeebean]

There have been over 5000 deaths from the so called vaccination. The second shot can be deadly. Survival rates are 98.5% untreated over all age groups. Adding treatments like hydroxychloriquin, ivermectin, monoclonal antibodys and more increase the survival by over 60%.

I am not living in fear.

Just how many of those 5000 deaths have been attributed DIRECTLY to the vaccine? Not too many from the information I have read about that.

[Mdhilltop]

Where are you getting your information from? certainly not from Our governor DeSantis, you are wrong very very wrong over inflated. Signed,
Concerned

[jimjamuser]

Nearly 200,000 people are turned away at the border every month. It is not an open boarder for all. Why do they come here? What is the root problem?
They came for money and a better life. But, their better life cost legal residents in MONEY and a lower quality of their life. Our roads and bridges are crumbling and overcrowded with just LEGAL residents. The ILLEGAL residents are driving the US downward into a 3rd rate country just by sheer numbers. IMO diversity is a good thing, but the US started being OVER-diversified when the population passed 275 million people. Most illegal immigrants are NOT rocket scientist-types. They will be RENDERED EXTRANEOUS by A.I. and ROBOTICS in the NEAR future. Then, you can't make them evaporate or have them colonize MARS. Our immigration laws were made by RICH PEOPLE that wanted to keep minimum wages LOW! It has left the complete US society with a LOWER quality of life. And please remember that I said that I did believe in the concept of diversity, NOT runaway diversity.

[jimjamuser]

There have been over 5000 deaths from the so called vaccination. The second shot can be deadly. Survival rates are 98.5% untreated over all age groups. Adding treatments like hydroxychloriquin, ivermectin, monoclonal antibodys and more increase the survival by over 60%.

I am not living in fear.
Confidence reigns supreme in the camp of the misinformed and propagandized!

[jimjamuser]

How about doing the humanity thing and vaccinate these immigrants? There’s more than enough vaccine that the southern states aren’t using.
How about we vote on illegal immigration as part of the next election!

[Bill14564]

The CDC has been all over the place with regards to the number of deaths...

1. Not really. The numbers have been fairly consistent given the notice on the page that in many cases they are preliminary. The problem is usually that people haven't taken the time to understand what the datasets are.

2. Either only 300K of the 600K can be directly attributed to covid or only 300K of the 600K actually ever existed. In the former case, the other 300K died of something, so what was it? In the latter case, the other 300K never existed and never died and the states, the CDC, the WaPo, the NYT, the CovidTrackingProject, and many other sources are lying to us.

There is too much consistency in the 600K number to believe those people never really existed.

[jimjamuser]

You got that headline from one of several alt-right white conspiracy "the election was a fraud" science-denying anti-vaxx political Proud White Klan Boys websites. I just copied and pasted the entire line to a google search and those were the ONLY places I saw it.

Not even typical right-wing or somewhat conservative websites had that headline. It was only the extremists - the domestic terrorist daily news sites.
Thank you for setting the record straight. The US and TV Land are swimming in a sea of deliberate misinformation!

[drducat]

Just how many of those 5000 deaths have been attributed DIRECTLY to the vaccine? Not too many from the information I have read about that.

Just out...In Europe alone.

[jimjamuser]

I'm old and unvaccinated, haven't been sick a day in my life
They say that there is a 1ST time for everything.

[jimjamuser]

600,000 did not die from the virus. All states were incentivized to put Covid on death certificates and health departments reported deaths that way. My friend in Illinois lost her mother at 93. She didn’t have Covid yet the death certificate said that’s what she died from. Cancer flu heart disease accidents etc got reported as Covid. Wonder how many autopsies were done to investigate further.
The Americans can't agree on anything - the Russian hacks and trolls have worked their magic. America is now set up for an invasion from within.

[golfing eagles]

Just out...In Europe alone.

Not likely. From Politifact

information from Global Research, a Canadian website run by the Centre for Research on Globalization, which was accused by NATO of posting conspiracy theories, spreading Russian disinformation and undermining Western media.

The post specifically looks at vaccines from Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna and AstraZeneca, offering a breakdown of the different injuries and deaths purportedly associated with each vaccine using numbers from a European Union-maintained database called EudraVigilance.

The implication is the COVID-19 vaccines are harmful and could result in injury or death.

However, the numbers are taken out of context to exaggerate the risk of vaccines.

The EudraVigilance database itself cautions the information it collects is for "suspected side effects ... but which are not necessarily related to our caused by the medicine."

"Information on suspected side effects should not be interpreted as meaning that the medicine or the active substance causes the observed effect or is unsafe to use," EudraVigilance’s website says. "Only a detailed evaluation and scientific assessment of all available data allows for robust conclusions to be drawn on the benefits and risks of a medicine."

Taking the raw data of possible COVID-19 vaccination reactions at face value and using them without context is an oft-used tactic by people attempting to undermine public confidence in the vaccines, according to the New York Times. They frequently interpret the numbers from EudraVigilance or from its United States counterpart, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, as evidence of the vaccines’ dangers.:

[Bill14564]

COVID Vaccine Data (https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data)

Well THAT took a while!

The link takes you to the OPENVAERS website which performs pulls and summarizes the data. The website shows 11,904 deaths which is much higher than expected.

Took some time to track that down and match it to the VAERS date. The OPENVAERS website is showing deaths from the entire world, not just the US (about 5,600 reported).

Putting aside the significant correlation/causation question, *IF* these could be attributed to the vaccine then:

11,904 deaths out of 4.32B doses gives a vaccine death rate of 0.000276%
4,262,000 deaths out of 201,000,000 cases gives a covid death rate of 2.12%

You are 7,700 times more likely to die from covid than from being vaccinated.

[golfing eagles]

Well THAT took a while!

The link takes you to the OPENVAERS website which performs pulls and summarizes the data. The website shows 11,904 deaths which is much higher than expected.

Took some time to track that down and match it to the VAERS date. The OPENVAERS website is showing deaths from the entire world, not just the US (about 5,600 reported).

Putting aside the significant correlation/causation question, *IF* these could be attributed to the vaccine then:

11,904 deaths out of 4.32B doses gives a vaccine death rate of 0.000276%
4,262,000 deaths out of 201,000,000 cases gives a covid death rate of 2.12%

You are 7,700 times more likely to die from covid than from being vaccinated.

And that is a HUGE IF

[gidget72]

Thank you for your post and sending healing for your brother

[Ben Franklin]

Closing the border gates does not seem to be reducing the amount of illegals entering. Yes, the border is open.

When you go to the border and take an unedited video, then I might believe you.

[drducat]

Not likely. From Politifact

information from Global Research, a Canadian website run by the Centre for Research on Globalization, which was accused by NATO of posting conspiracy theories, spreading Russian disinformation and undermining Western media.

The post specifically looks at vaccines from Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna and AstraZeneca, offering a breakdown of the different injuries and deaths purportedly associated with each vaccine using numbers from a European Union-maintained database called EudraVigilance.

The implication is the COVID-19 vaccines are harmful and could result in injury or death.

However, the numbers are taken out of context to exaggerate the risk of vaccines.

The EudraVigilance database itself cautions the information it collects is for "suspected side effects ... but which are not necessarily related to our caused by the medicine."

"Information on suspected side effects should not be interpreted as meaning that the medicine or the active substance causes the observed effect or is unsafe to use," EudraVigilance’s website says. "Only a detailed evaluation and scientific assessment of all available data allows for robust conclusions to be drawn on the benefits and risks of a medicine."

Taking the raw data of possible COVID-19 vaccination reactions at face value and using them without context is an oft-used tactic by people attempting to undermine public confidence in the vaccines, according to the New York Times. They frequently interpret the numbers from EudraVigilance or from its United States counterpart, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, as evidence of the vaccines’ dangers.:

All that data is just garbage until edited then...ok

[drducat]

All that data is just garbage until edited then...ok

Phizer just finished it's study and nervous system disorders numbers are in the 130,000 ish range ....not sure why.

[jimjamuser]

Not likely. From Politifact

information from Global Research, a Canadian website run by the Centre for Research on Globalization, which was accused by NATO of posting conspiracy theories, spreading Russian disinformation and undermining Western media.

The post specifically looks at vaccines from Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna and AstraZeneca, offering a breakdown of the different injuries and deaths purportedly associated with each vaccine using numbers from a European Union-maintained database called EudraVigilance.

The implication is the COVID-19 vaccines are harmful and could result in injury or death.

However, the numbers are taken out of context to exaggerate the risk of vaccines.

The EudraVigilance database itself cautions the information it collects is for "suspected side effects ... but which are not necessarily related to our caused by the medicine."

"Information on suspected side effects should not be interpreted as meaning that the medicine or the active substance causes the observed effect or is unsafe to use," EudraVigilance’s website says. "Only a detailed evaluation and scientific assessment of all available data allows for robust conclusions to be drawn on the benefits and risks of a medicine."

Taking the raw data of possible COVID-19 vaccination reactions at face value and using them without context is an oft-used tactic by people attempting to undermine public confidence in the vaccines, according to the New York Times. They frequently interpret the numbers from EudraVigilance or from its United States counterpart, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, as evidence of the vaccines’ dangers.:
Thanks for shedding light on that issue. The US is drowning in a sea of misinformation. It IS difficult for the average person (myself included) to find truth when there are many (very clever) panderers of sophisticated misinformation. Kudos!

[MDLNB]

When you go to the border and take an unedited video, then I might believe you.
No need for ME to go to the border since videos of hundreds of crossers several times a day is available IF you wish to search for it on the Web. If you look for it you might even find some live feeds of them crossing. Besides, since when do we worry about those crossing at our entry points? It's the illegal aliens we are concerned about and they are not being stopped by an invisible border. Building the wall was stopped you know.

[jimjamuser]

Well THAT took a while!

The link takes you to the OPENVAERS website which performs pulls and summarizes the data. The website shows 11,904 deaths which is much higher than expected.

Took some time to track that down and match it to the VAERS date. The OPENVAERS website is showing deaths from the entire world, not just the US (about 5,600 reported).

Putting aside the significant correlation/causation question, *IF* these could be attributed to the vaccine then:

11,904 deaths out of 4.32B doses gives a vaccine death rate of 0.000276%
4,262,000 deaths out of 201,000,000 cases gives a covid death rate of 2.12%

You are 7,700 times more likely to die from covid than from being vaccinated.
Thanks for putting that data in an understandable % form and having a conclusion.

[jimjamuser]

Phizer just finished it's study and nervous system disorders numbers are in the 130,000 ish range ....not sure why.
Neurological disorders have been found in children that have had the CV disease - not from the vaccine. And sorry, IMO that 130,000 number looks large for whatever it was supposed to mean. In general, I find your posts to be either confused or confusing to me?

[jcaspary]

With soaring COVID cases and hospitalizations, the Governor thinks now is a good time to withdraw funding from schools if they mandate masks? First of all, it is the kids money, not his and secondly punishment for attempting to prevent disease? What a political clown.
Please go back to New York and your great Governor

[Aldeano Feliz]

How about we vote on illegal immigration as part of the next election!

We did! (...in at least the last two presidential elections)

[Joe V.]

Please go back to New York and your great Governor

/////

[MDLNB]

How about we vote on illegal immigration as part of the next election!


How about ENFORCING the existing laws which state that it is ILLEGAL to enter our country without going through an entry point? How about we charge employers with a crime if they hire illegal aliens? My family was inoculated at Ellis Island when they immigrated to America. It was a requirement. What changed?

[Joe V.]

With soaring COVID cases and hospitalizations, the Governor thinks now is a good time to withdraw funding from schools if they mandate masks? First of all, it is the kids money, not his and secondly punishment for attempting to prevent disease? What a political clown.

I did not know kids pay property tax used to fund schools. When did that happen?

[GrumpyOldMan]

How about ENFORCING the existing laws which state that it is ILLEGAL to enter our country without going through an entry point? How about we charge employers with a crime if they hire illegal aliens? My family was inoculated at Ellis Island when they immigrated to America. It was a requirement. What changed?

You left out, "it is illegal unless you are seeking asylum and turn yourself into the first border guard you see".

Second, I totally and completely agree with you - if we would start enforcing laws that make it illegal to hire undocumented aliens, so a few CEOs get BIG fines and prison time. I think the jobs for them would dry up and crossing into the US would look less attractive.

Even if they still come, at least the rich CEOs making money off them would be punished for breaking the laws.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

I had Covid and I wasn’t vaccinated, and I’m not young, nor old, nor dead, I’m actually doing fine…people and their fear mongering…never ends

sample size 1, statistically not a valid sample size.

The problem with humans and social media, is that they believe that sample size of 1 from a friend or relative or poster is a statistically valid view point to support their beliefs. . . there is a virologist doctor in MA whose mother in law believes the sample size of 1 over the researcher highly educated doctor. . .

A book called "Death of Expertise" studies this phenomena and does support the conclusion that yes, a layperson can be right when the educated/expert is wrong, BUT the educated will be right much, much more often than the layperson is right

look at lots of data, large sample sizes, not the same answers at all, but the human brain has a hard time processing small non zero probabilities. . . due to the the cognitive bias of over optimism
http://25cognitivebiases.com/bias-13-over-optimism-bias/

link through twitter of a covid hospitalization self documentation https://twitter.com/i/status/1423260524637298689
a non believer until it happens to him personally. . .

you can learn from others or you can learn from experience, in this case i choose to learn from others. . . the experience might not end the way i want. . .

data guy

[coffeebean]

Just a tad late...

Plus, many have been refusing vaccinations...

If they refuse vaccination, send them back where they came from. PERIOD!

[Gray lady of the sea]

Thank you so much for your common sense. Attacking people doesn’t ever work

[McGyver9]

I haven't read all 12 pages of expert replies, but I'm wondering if anyone considered the FACT that Florida is one of the LARGEST summer vacation destinations?

Doesn't your COMMON SENSE tell you that all of these people coming from EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY, bouncing through numerous airports, might cause a spike?
How about all of your kids/grandkids coming HERE, in the SAME fashion?
I remember seeing lots of little kids HERE, at the HEIGHT of the pre-vaccine Rona.

My friend up in Perry FL (retired Tampa PD) with his OWN eyes, saw a bus load of illegals dropped off at his local wallymart to do some shopping.
Bet THEY are all vaccinated... (Eyeroll)
They've been sharing the air for a 4 state drive....in a bus....that isn't equipped with hepafiltering air scrubbers.. ONE family would infect that 40+ passenger bus...then they wander Wal-Mart, and every OTHER place they ate, slept, used the bathroom on the way.

How thick ARE people?

But it's people who didn't get the vaccinations fault....
Hmmm

[coffeebean]

I haven't read all 12 pages of expert replies, but I'm wondering if anyone considered the FACT that Florida is one of the LARGEST summer vacation destinations?

Doesn't your COMMON SENSE tell you that all of these people coming from EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY, bouncing through numerous airports, might cause a spike?
How about all of your kids/grandkids coming HERE, in the SAME fashion?
I remember seeing lots of little kids HERE, at the HEIGHT of the pre-vaccine Rona.

My friend up in Perry FL (retired Tampa PD) with his OWN eyes, saw a bus load of illegals dropped off at his local wallymart to do some shopping.
Bet THEY are all vaccinated... (Eyeroll)
They've been sharing the air for a 4 state drive....in a bus....that isn't equipped with hepafiltering air scrubbers.. ONE family would infect that 40+ passenger bus...then they wander Wal-Mart, and every OTHER place they ate, slept, used the bathroom on the way.

How thick ARE people?

But it's people who didn't get the vaccinations fault....
Hmmm


THAT is correct. There are an many more Americans un-vaccinated than illegal immigrants. That is just pure simple numbers but it stands to reason un-vaxxed Americans pose much more of a threat than the illegal immigrants.

[John41]

THAT is correct. There are an many more Americans un-vaccinated than illegal immigrants. That is just pure simple numbers but it stands to reason un-vaxxed Americans pose much more of a threat than the illegal immigrants.

It’s the illegal immigrants bringing NEW variants from South America that are the problem. They are released infected and bussed to unannounced areas of the country and seed the new variants.
——————-
In early 2021, the Gamma variant began to spread beyond Brazil, especially in border cities in Peru, Chile, and Uruguay. By February, 80 percent of cases in the Uruguayan border city of Rivera, were identified as the Gamma variant. Nationally, that number was just 15 percent of sequenced cases at the time. By June, nine out of 10 sequenced cases in Uruguay were of the Gamma variant.

Experts vary on why the Gamma variant has been so prolific. Some believe that it has a contagion rate twice that of the original strain of the disease. Others posit that it is Gamma's high reinfection rate that's driven cases upward. One study found that one in six of those infected with the coronavirus in Manaus was reinfected by Gamma. As a result, many countries both inside and outside of Latin America banned travel from Brazil and other affected countries.

[Bill14564]

It’s the illegal immigrants bringing NEW variants from South America that are the problem. They are released infected and bussed to unannounced areas of the country and seed the new variants.
——————-
In early 2021, the Gamma variant began to spread beyond Brazil, especially in border cities in Peru, Chile, and Uruguay. By February, 80 percent of cases in the Uruguayan border city of Rivera, were identified as the Gamma variant. Nationally, that number was just 15 percent of sequenced cases at the time. By June, nine out of 10 sequenced cases in Uruguay were of the Gamma variant.

Experts vary on why the Gamma variant has been so prolific. Some believe that it has a contagion rate twice that of the original strain of the disease. Others posit that it is Gamma's high reinfection rate that's driven cases upward. One study found that one in six of those infected with the coronavirus in Manaus was reinfected by Gamma. As a result, many countries both inside and outside of Latin America banned travel from Brazil and other affected countries.

It is the unvaccinated that are the problem, full stop. Whether they be the relative handful that are coming across the border or the 100 million that were already here, it is the unvaccinated that are the problem.

[coffeebean]

It’s the illegal immigrants bringing NEW variants from South America that are the problem. They are released infected and bussed to unannounced areas of the country and seed the new variants.
——————-
In early 2021, the Gamma variant began to spread beyond Brazil, especially in border cities in Peru, Chile, and Uruguay. By February, 80 percent of cases in the Uruguayan border city of Rivera, were identified as the Gamma variant. Nationally, that number was just 15 percent of sequenced cases at the time. By June, nine out of 10 sequenced cases in Uruguay were of the Gamma variant.

Experts vary on why the Gamma variant has been so prolific. Some believe that it has a contagion rate twice that of the original strain of the disease. Others posit that it is Gamma's high reinfection rate that's driven cases upward. One study found that one in six of those infected with the coronavirus in Manaus was reinfected by Gamma. As a result, many countries both inside and outside of Latin America banned travel from Brazil and other affected countries.

All the more reason every American who can should get themselves vaccinated.

[GrumpyOldMan]

I haven't read all 12 pages of expert replies, but I'm wondering if anyone considered the FACT that Florida is one of the LARGEST summer vacation destinations?

Doesn't your COMMON SENSE tell you that all of these people coming from EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY, bouncing through numerous airports, might cause a spike?
How about all of your kids/grandkids coming HERE, in the SAME fashion?
I remember seeing lots of little kids HERE, at the HEIGHT of the pre-vaccine Rona.

My friend up in Perry FL (retired Tampa PD) with his OWN eyes, saw a bus load of illegals dropped off at his local wallymart to do some shopping.
Bet THEY are all vaccinated... (Eyeroll)
They've been sharing the air for a 4 state drive....in a bus....that isn't equipped with hepafiltering air scrubbers.. ONE family would infect that 40+ passenger bus...then they wander Wal-Mart, and every OTHER place they ate, slept, used the bathroom on the way.

How thick ARE people?

But it's people who didn't get the vaccinations fault....
Hmmm

Well, if EVERY person that came into FL was vaccinated, then COMMON SENSE would say there would be no more cases because of them. (Or VERY FEW).

So, yeah, it's the un-vaccinated.

Hmmm...

[GrumpyOldMan]

It is the unvaccinated that are the problem, full stop. Whether they be the relative handful that are coming across the border or the 100 million that were already here, it is the unvaccinated that are the problem.

You make a good point.

Let's say that a million come across the border. And let's say NONE of them accept the offered vaccinations - just to have one less point to nitpick.

If we have 100 million (maybe more?) Americans unvaccinated the immigrants will make up 1% of the unvaccinated.

It seems a LOT of people here feel stopping that 1% is our top priority - while the 99% are a bigger problem.

Maybe, just maybe it isn't that they are unvaccinated, it is that they are here illegally? So wrapping that up in a COVID bow, is how to sneak politics into a COVID thread?

Hmmm...

[MDLNB]

You make a good point.

Let's say that a million come across the border. And let's say NONE of them accept the offered vaccinations - just to have one less point to nitpick.

If we have 100 million (maybe more?) Americans unvaccinated the immigrants will make up 1% of the unvaccinated.

It seems a LOT of people here feel stopping that 1% is our top priority - while the 99% are a bigger problem.

Maybe, just maybe it isn't that they are unvaccinated, it is that they are here illegally? So wrapping that up in a COVID bow, is how to sneak politics into a COVID thread?

Hmmm...


It's not politics unless YOU are making it so. If ONE illegal that is infected comes into the country, that is just one more INFECTED that should not have been here to begin with. If we had enforced the laws, that person would not be infecting and passing on the virus. It has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with how many non-vaccinated CITIZENS are here. The ONLY politics involved would be why the laws are not being enforced. And that is a leadership problem, not a political one.



About 40% of our population is children under 12 years of age. They CANNOT be vaccinated yet. Over 70% (exact number is give or take a few)of adults in our country have at been vaccinated. That leaves about 30% of the adults that still haven't been vaccinated. According to the CDC Approx. 35% of US citizens have been infected with COVID. About 38% of adults have not been vaccinated and about 58% of children 12-17 have not been vaccinated.

So, if 35% of adults have been infected with the virus and have been told NOT to get vaccinated, that leaves only about 3% of the adults still unvaccinated that probably should consider getting their shots. To be honest with you, I think that children unless they have medical issues that indicate a need for protection should wait on getting vaccinated. So far children are in most cases handling the virus very well.

So 3% of adults still need to be vaccinated. I don't know the figures but that is probably a lower number than those that DON'T get the flu shot every year. I know that some of the resident experts will argue with my reasoning but I am just looking at this from an average citizen's view, not a medical professional or scientist. We all know that numbers can be manipulated.

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No need for ME to go to the border since videos of hundreds of crossers several times a day is available IF you wish to search for it on the Web. If you look for it you might even find some live feeds of them crossing. Besides, since when do we worry about those crossing at our entry points? It's the illegal aliens we are concerned about and they are not being stopped by an invisible border. Building the wall was stopped you know.

You mean cameras installed by the government who you don't trust, or cameras installed by people who may have an agenda? Cal me a Missourian.

[Ben Franklin]

Interesting that the Gov says parents should have the freedom to decide what's good for their children. Does that also mean parents can decide to not install child car safety seats? Shouldn't all of the taxpayers who actually pay for the education also have a say?

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You mean cameras installed by the government who you don't trust, or cameras installed by people who may have an agenda? Cal me a Missourian.

Would a TV resident who installed security cameras outside his/her home have an "agenda"? I think they would. Their agenda would be to monitor and protect their property. Citizens who see an unmitigated ingress of undocumented people across the southern border probably feel the same way. Call me an American.