Moderna Covid booster expected by September 2021

[John41]

Moderna is finalizing data on several booster shots for Covid 19 and urges elderly populations such as The Villages to get a booster shot to avoid respiratory complications. The efficacy of the first two shots diminishes after 6 to 9 months. We got our second shot in March 2021 so about November we will sign up for the booster. Moderna is a vaccine company that developed a vaccine against Covid 19 last year under Operation Warp Speed.

[Bill14564]

This sounds like the same marketing pitch Pfizer made within the last two months.

It will be interesting to see the studies that show not only that the antibodies are falling off but the level of antibodies needed to still be protected. There may be fewer antibodies today than nine months ago but if the level is still far above what is needed for protection against the virus then getting a booster is just putting money into the manufacturer's pocket.

[billethkid]

I wonder if the saferestart web site that scheduled our first two Moderna shots will notify us when boosters become available to schedule?

[birdawg]

I’m done tired of the lies. No more shots for us

[Decadeofdave]

I am not a doctor, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn express last night ---
It would seem to me that full FDA approval of the original vaccine should be done first, before a booster of this emergency vaccine is ready.

[MDLNB]

I have yet to see a convincing argument FOR getting a booster for a vaccine that they have no confidence in. Sounds like a "shot" in the dark hoping to hit their target. Prob wait and see how it goes. If I get sick, then it is on me and you all can say "told ya." If not I'll prob be better off than those vaccinated IMO.

[MDLNB]

I am not a doctor, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn express last night ---
It would seem to me that full FDA approval of the original vaccine should be done first, before a booster of this emergency vaccine is ready.


Seems like a valid point...:thumbup:

[MDLNB]

Like the FLu I guess they will come out with a new version of vaccination for every variant. No thanks, I'll pass and take my chances. But that's just me and I think everyone else should do what they think they should do. Even a security blanket will keep the baby warm a little bit.

[Velvet]

If the side effects are as mild as the first two doses were, and the peace of mind after, as good…sign me up!

[DALEPQ]

What/Why is the US FDA taking so long to make a ruling for the first Vax's?
Vax's are classified as "Experimental", yet Millions have been given., (World wide).
I personally know persons that are waiting to get an "Approved" drug b/4 getting Vax'd.
Seems like the US FDA is just another bloated, overpaid, Gov't agency, (IMO)
p.s. We got Vax'd in later Jan, with the "Experimental" drug, no issues so far.
Maybe, will consider a "Booster", if have factual details that it is needed and approved.

[Topspinmo]

Moderna is finalizing data on several booster shots for Covid 19 and urges elderly populations such as The Villages to get a booster shot to avoid respiratory complications. The efficacy of the first two shots diminishes after 6 to 9 months. We got our second shot in March 2021 so about November we will sign up for the booster. Moderna is a vaccine company that developed a vaccine against Covid 19 last year under Operation Warp Speed.

Got keep the cash cow going.:duck:

[Escape Artist]

Moderna is finalizing data on several booster shots for Covid 19 and urges elderly populations such as The Villages to get a booster shot to avoid respiratory complications. The efficacy of the first two shots diminishes after 6 to 9 months. We got our second shot in March 2021 so about November we will sign up for the booster. Moderna is a vaccine company that developed a vaccine against Covid 19 last year under Operation Warp Speed.

6-9 months isn't very long, is it? And what about the variants - are they covered in this booster? I recall that those who got the Pfizer in July of last year as part of the clinical trials were tested for antibodies in January 2021 and the results were good as they still showed robust levels.

[drducat]

Moderna is finalizing data on several booster shots for Covid 19 and urges elderly populations such as The Villages to get a booster shot to avoid respiratory complications. The efficacy of the first two shots diminishes after 6 to 9 months. We got our second shot in March 2021 so about November we will sign up for the booster. Moderna is a vaccine company that developed a vaccine against Covid 19 last year under Operation Warp Speed.

Pfizer has postponed Boosters.....I do believe they have an ADE problem on their hands and trying to get ahead of it.:mornincoffee:

[John41]

6-9 months isn't very long, is it? And what about the variants - are they covered in this booster? I recall that those who got the Pfizer in July of last year as part of the clinical trials were tested for antibodies in January 2021 and the results were good as they still showed robust levels.

The variants up to lambda are covered by the booster. Also for those whose first two shots were less than 9 months ago studies show there are also enough antibodies to neutralize up to the lamda virus. Fortunately there has been a large increase in vaccinations due to delta publicity. The required six months of data for full FDA approval have been collected and should happen soon.

[drducat]

The variants up to lambda are covered by the booster. Also for those whose first two shots were less than 9 months ago studies show there are also enough antibodies to neutralize up to the lamda virus. Fortunately there has been a large increase in vaccinations due to delta publicity. The required six months of data for full FDA approval have been collected and should happen soon.

How does one accelerate the process to fully approve the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine? It take time not speed...........:faint:

[John41]

I am not a doctor, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn express last night ---
It would seem to me that full FDA approval of the original vaccine should be done first, before a booster of this emergency vaccine is ready.

The FDA has collected the six months of data needed for full approval. Nothing adverse in the data but seems to be some delay is getting the recommendation finalized.

[John41]

Pfizer has postponed Boosters.....I do believe they have an ADE problem on their hands and trying to get ahead of it.:mornincoffee:

Have not heard of Pfizer’s issue but so far an ADE problem in the existing vaccines has not developed.
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Neither COVID-19 disease nor the new COVID-19 vaccines have shown evidence of causing ADE. People infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, have not been likely to develop ADE upon repeat exposure. This is true of other coronaviruses as well. Likewise, studies of vaccines in the laboratory with animals or in the clinical trials in people have not found evidence of ADE.

[MDLNB]

My daughter's cardiologist told her that he was vaccinated and still ended up in the hospital with COVID. He suggested that since she had already had the virus earlier that she should NOT get vaccinated. I'm just throwing that out since everyone seems to throw out all those deathly ill folks and deaths they insist on telling us about. Not that I am suggesting that this is not serious. I am just passing it on as another thought for some to think about. Personally, I was surprised to hear of any physician suggesting NOT getting a vaccination.
If my vaccination is only good for six months, I am thinking of taking my chances without a booster. I went a year without the vaccination. My choice and I figure that if anyone else is worried about me carrying the virus and exposing them, then they can wear a mask around me. They do not have to visit me if they are afraid, and I believe in social distancing anyway.

[John41]

How does one accelerate the process to fully approve the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine? It take time not speed...........:faint:

The required six months of data collection has been completed for full FDA approval and no adverse issues. Seems a bottleneck in issuing the report which could remove vaccine hesitancy.

[drducat]

Have not heard of Pfizer’s issue but so far an ADE problem in the existing vaccines has not developed.
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Neither COVID-19 disease nor the new COVID-19 vaccines have shown evidence of causing ADE. People infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, have not been likely to develop ADE upon repeat exposure. This is true of other coronaviruses as well. Likewise, studies of vaccines in the laboratory with animals or in the clinical trials in people have not found evidence of ADE.

The longer they wait the better outcome.

[Escape Artist]

Have not heard of Pfizer’s issue but so far an ADE problem in the existing vaccines has not developed.
———————————————

Neither COVID-19 disease nor the new COVID-19 vaccines have shown evidence of causing ADE. People infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, have not been likely to develop ADE upon repeat exposure. This is true of other coronaviruses as well. Likewise, studies of vaccines in the laboratory with animals or in the clinical trials in people have not found evidence of ADE.

What is ADE?

[drducat]

What is ADE?

Antibody-dependent enhancement

[asianthree]

So immune comprised, patient in active chemo, or have a organ transplant. That is what was announced to us this morning, for guidelines for booster. At this time just because you think you need a booster, it’s not in the mix.
No exact date released, as of this morning to us. Our small group is over 26,000, and estimated those who possibly qualify will be less than 1%. But not taking into account those who have not had vaccine, or only one dose.
So I am very happy, I don’t qualify.

[coffeebean]

Pfizer has postponed Boosters.....I do believe they have an ADE problem on their hands and trying to get ahead of it.:mornincoffee:

Pfizer or Moderna vaccines do not have an ADE problem. There is no evidence of this and I wonder where you get your information from?

Do the mRNA vaccines cause Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) with COVID-19 disease? | Immunize BC (https://immunizebc.ca/ask-us/questions/do-mrna-vaccines-cause-antibody-dependent-enhancement-ade-covid-19-disease)

[drducat]

Pfizer or Moderna vaccines do not have an ADE problem. There is no evidence of this and I wonder where you get your information from?

Do the mRNA vaccines cause Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) with COVID-19 disease? | Immunize BC (https://immunizebc.ca/ask-us/questions/do-mrna-vaccines-cause-antibody-dependent-enhancement-ade-covid-19-disease)

Are you sure of that...the link is false...mRna vaccines never made it past animal trials. Most experienced Cytokine Storms when re-infected and died. It is a real thing. They are not sure about the human trial you are in.

[gdennis317]

Moderna is finalizing data on several booster shots for Covid 19 and urges elderly populations such as The Villages to get a booster shot to avoid respiratory complications. The efficacy of the first two shots diminishes after 6 to 9 months. We got our second shot in March 2021 so about November we will sign up for the booster. Moderna is a vaccine company that developed a vaccine against Covid 19 last year under Operation Warp Speed.
They may have boosters available then, but Moderna Executive said today that they do not know when it will be needed. He stated MAYBE by this winter.

He went on to state that Tests so far, based on cases, show Moderna still about 93% effective after six months, so has diminished only a couple of percentage points. Majority of even the more elderly people have only been covered for six months or less.

All speculation at this point.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

This sounds like the same marketing pitch Pfizer made within the last two months.

It will be interesting to see the studies that show not only that the antibodies are falling off but the level of antibodies needed to still be protected. There may be fewer antibodies today than nine months ago but if the level is still far above what is needed for protection against the virus then getting a booster is just putting money into the manufacturer's pocket.

It's not "within the last two months." Pfizer said from the very start of their development that they wouldn't know how long the vaccines would last, and this was part of the process. There was a big to-do when it passed the six-month mark and they said it was holding firm, but that they STILL didn't know how long it would remain as effective. Moderna said the same, and so did J&J.

We all knew that there was a distinct possibility there'd be a need for a booster, or even a vaccine every year indefinitely. It was always a possibility and no one ever tried to hide this from anyone, it was well-publicized.

Part of the problem is that the vaccine wasn't administered to the majority. If the majority had been vaccinated, the virus possibly wouldn't have lasted long enough to need a booster. It would've possibly died out. But since the majority isn't vaccinated, we'll never know for sure. And so we're in the situation we're in now.

[coffeebean]

Are you sure of that...the link is false...mRna vaccines never made it past animal trials. Most experienced Cytokine Storms when re-infected and died. It is a real thing. They are not sure about the human trial you are in.

Here is another source. Still, no evidence of ADE with mRNA vaccines........
Antibody-dependent Enhancement (ADE) and Vaccines | Children's Hospital of Philadelphia (https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-safety/antibody-dependent-enhancement-and-vaccines)

Here is one more that refutes ADE with mRNA vaccines.........
Are COVID-19 vaccines causing antibody-dependent enhancement? (https://health-desk.org/articles/are-covid-19-vaccines-causing-antibody-dependent-enhancement)

[drducat]

Here is another source. Still, no evidence of ADE with mRNA vaccines........
Antibody-dependent Enhancement (ADE) and Vaccines | Children's Hospital of Philadelphia (https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-safety/antibody-dependent-enhancement-and-vaccines)

Here is one more that refutes ADE with mRNA vaccines.........
Are COVID-19 vaccines causing antibody-dependent enhancement? (https://health-desk.org/articles/are-covid-19-vaccines-causing-antibody-dependent-enhancement)

Here is one from the NIH.

Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID-19 vaccines worsening clinical disease - PubMed (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33113270/)

"Conclusions drawn from the study and clinical implications: The specific and significant COVID-19 risk of ADE should have been and should be prominently and independently disclosed to research subjects currently in vaccine trials, as well as those being recruited for the trials and future patients after vaccine approval, in order to meet the medical ethics standard of patient comprehension for informed consent."

:agree:

[Bill14564]

It's not "within the last two months." Pfizer said from the very start of their development that they wouldn't know how long the vaccines would last, and this was part of the process. There was a big to-do when it passed the six-month mark and they said it was holding firm, but that they STILL didn't know how long it would remain as effective. Moderna said the same, and so did J&J.

We all knew that there was a distinct possibility there'd be a need for a booster, or even a vaccine every year indefinitely. It was always a possibility and no one ever tried to hide this from anyone, it was well-publicized.

Part of the problem is that the vaccine wasn't administered to the majority. If the majority had been vaccinated, the virus possibly wouldn't have lasted long enough to need a booster. It would've possibly died out. But since the majority isn't vaccinated, we'll never know for sure. And so we're in the situation we're in now.

My mistake. It was not "within the last two months," it was 28 days ago.

There was always the possibility that boosters would be necessary but on July 9 it was reported (https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/pfizer-ask-fda-authorize-booster-dose-covid-vaccine-delta-variant-spreads-2021-07-08/) that Pfizer intended to request approval for a booster after six months. The FDA and CDC pushed back.

[Bill14564]

Here is one from the NIH.

Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID-19 vaccines worsening clinical disease - PubMed (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33113270/)

"Conclusions drawn from the study and clinical implications: The specific and significant COVID-19 risk of ADE should have been and should be prominently and independently disclosed to research subjects currently in vaccine trials, as well as those being recruited for the trials and future patients after vaccine approval, in order to meet the medical ethics standard of patient comprehension for informed consent."

:agree:

Did you read the full article?? Did you notice this line: "Current data on COVID-19 vaccines is limited, but does not so far reveal evidence of ADE of disease."

This article doesn't aim to prove that ADE is an issue with the COVID vaccines, it only wants to show that there is little notice in the consent forms about the possibility of ADE.

[drducat]

Did you read the full article?? Did you notice this line: "Current data on COVID-19 vaccines is limited, but does not so far reveal evidence of ADE of disease."

This article doesn't aim to prove that ADE is an issue with the COVID vaccines, it only wants to show that there is little notice in the consent forms about the possibility of ADE.

Yes.....because previous animal trials ADE was prevalent and resulted in death to many. It is a matter of concern and when they get around to full disclosure...ADE will be on the label as a side affect.

[Gizemo33]

Biedawg, Saw your quote “no more shots for us”, My guess is you’re not afraid of having a ventilator shoved down your throat and the possibility of a long brutal death. Reconsidering would be a smarter move. Getting the shot would be the smartest move. God bless

I’m done tired of the lies. No more shots for us

[Gizemo33]

Decadeofds, don’t quite understand your comment. The original shots received emergency approval and have saved hundreds of thousands of wives. Why would you be hesitant of the booster shot until the original shots came off of the temporary approval status???????

You are either an anti-VAXer or a gambler. If the CDC comes out and says booster shots or required, get the Darn shot.I am not a doctor, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn express last night ---
It would seem to me that full FDA approval of the original vaccine should be done first, before a booster of this emergency vaccine is ready.

[Bay Kid]

Profitable drugs for a man made virus. Who do you trust?

[Bella6368]

Moderna is finalizing data on several booster shots for Covid 19 and urges elderly populations such as The Villages to get a booster shot to avoid respiratory complications. The efficacy of the first two shots diminishes after 6 to 9 months. We got our second shot in March 2021 so about November we will sign up for the booster. Moderna is a vaccine company that developed a vaccine against Covid 19 last year under Operation Warp Speed.

Are you also aware that Moderna has NEVER made a vaccine before? This is their first. Proceed with caution, and do your research

[Bella6368]

I have yet to see a convincing argument FOR getting a booster for a vaccine that they have no confidence in. Sounds like a "shot" in the dark hoping to hit their target. Prob wait and see how it goes. If I get sick, then it is on me and you all can say "told ya." If not I'll prob be better off than those vaccinated IMO.

Agree, listening to Fraudci is like listening to the Boy Who Cried Wolf. CDC & Fraudci have lost ALL credibility.

[Looking for next wife]

So the world was going to hell and millions and millions of people were dying and then the vaccines were developed as fast as possible in the middle of a pandemic, not to avert one in the future; and then the world started to get better and better and all the numbers were dropping all over the place and millions upon millions of lives were being saved and then this variant popped up as can and does happen routinely and you can't find the proof that it is a good thing to adjust the vaccine a little and take another shot because you can't seem to find the logic in it and everyone else be dammed if someone tells you otherwise it's all about your rights. You can't be serious. This has to be about something else. It is only the antivaxxers that are dying now. Why the hell not get it. Do you use band aids to stop a tiny infection at the beginning so your leg won't have to be amputated. It's coming for you. Don't you see the videos of the dying and just died family members lamenting that were wrong to not get it. This band aid helps everyone, not just you. You can't wait for the polio shot after you are already limping. Why aren't you embarrassed by your own logic. I think you can still read that deaths to Blacks and Latino from covid are twice that of white and Asians. I heard a guy say that the presidential race was close enough that if a bunch of blacks (democrats in his eyes) die before the next election; the republicans (white in his eyes) would win again because the population of them would be depleted just enough. He also said that Blacks and Latinos have more and more babies than whites that grow up to vote and whites will not ever again be in charge of their country. Is this what this actually is? Racial genocide in a thin disguise? That would be a form of logic at least from an idiot crazy man. What about you? What is it really that is driving you guys?

[matandch]

I’ll take my chances and get the booster.

[Bella6368]

The FDA has collected the six months of data needed for full approval. Nothing adverse in the data but seems to be some delay is getting the recommendation finalized.
6 months of data is useless, let's see what long term unknown side affects bring? Hard to believe people are so trusting of anything from Government. They'll fast forward the approval on false info just to convince the unvaccinated to take it.

[Looking for next wife]

To all the anti axxers

After months of vaccine incentives, nation changes course (https://www.yahoo.com/gma/months-vaccine-incentives-nation-changes-100004645.html)

I guess you will have your opportunity to show how valid your concern is shortly by putting up with the new covid laws, like in; the ever present; can't race through a school zone without punishment even though you told them you are the best driver and they can't prove you have ever hit anyone yet. Or maybe the other way; welcome back Leprosy.

[Andyb]

I heard the FDA will be giving out free Kool-aide with the booster shots.

[Looking for next wife]

WE ARE IN A PANDEMIC NOW. Long term side effects are not as important as the immediate short term side effects of not getting it. DEATH.

[coffeebean]

Here is one from the NIH.

Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID-19 vaccines worsening clinical disease - PubMed (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33113270/)

"Conclusions drawn from the study and clinical implications: The specific and significant COVID-19 risk of ADE should have been and should be prominently and independently disclosed to research subjects currently in vaccine trials, as well as those being recruited for the trials and future patients after vaccine approval, in order to meet the medical ethics standard of patient comprehension for informed consent."

:agree:

The informed consent is part and parcel for clinical trials and they would be remiss for not including this informed consent as ADE has been an issue with traditional vaccines in the past. This does not mean that ADE has actually occurred with the mRNA vaccines but there is the possibility.

So far.....no evidence of ADE with mRNA vaccines that I have seen or read about. So......that's a good thing.

[coffeebean]

Yes.....because previous animal trials ADE was prevalent and resulted in death to many. It is a matter of concern and when they get around to full disclosure...ADE will be on the label as a side affect.

OK. If you say so.

[MDLNB]

To all the anti axxers

After months of vaccine incentives, nation changes course (https://www.yahoo.com/gma/months-vaccine-incentives-nation-changes-100004645.html)

I guess you will have your opportunity to show how valid your concern is shortly by putting up with the new covid laws, like in; the ever present; can't race through a school zone without punishment even though you told them you are the best driver and they can't prove you have ever hit anyone yet. Or maybe the other way; welcome back Leprosy.


Like what laws? Did you read the link you provided? It's nice to live in Florida where we won't have to worry about no stinkin' panic laws.

Threats won't encourage folks to get vaccinated. INFORMATION will convince and so far there is NO transparency. Give folks a reason to trust the gov so that they will be willing to get vaccinated. Besides, other than the children that can't get vaccinated and the folks that have already had the virus, there is only the minorities left and why should they trust? Once you have 100% compliance, what will be the excuse then for the panic?

[coffeebean]

Decadeofds, don’t quite understand your comment. The original shots received emergency approval and have saved hundreds of thousands of wives. Why would you be hesitant of the booster shot until the original shots came off of the temporary approval status???????

You are either an anti-VAXer or a gambler. If the CDC comes out and says booster shots or required, get the Darn shot.


The original shots have save lots of husbands too!

[coffeebean]

Are you also aware that Moderna has NEVER made a vaccine before? This is their first. Proceed with caution, and do your research

This is highly publicized so I have no doubt most everyone is aware of this.

[Looking for next wife]

Love the saving of the wives and husbands. Let's not forget girlfriends and boyfriends, etc. Good point.

[ThirdOfFive]

My daughter's cardiologist told her that he was vaccinated and still ended up in the hospital with COVID. He suggested that since she had already had the virus earlier that she should NOT get vaccinated. I'm just throwing that out since everyone seems to throw out all those deathly ill folks and deaths they insist on telling us about. Not that I am suggesting that this is not serious. I am just passing it on as another thought for some to think about. Personally, I was surprised to hear of any physician suggesting NOT getting a vaccination.
If my vaccination is only good for six months, I am thinking of taking my chances without a booster. I went a year without the vaccination. My choice and I figure that if anyone else is worried about me carrying the virus and exposing them, then they can wear a mask around me. They do not have to visit me if they are afraid, and I believe in social distancing anyway.
Physicians recommending against vaccinations does happen. My wife, for example, reacts pretty negatively to any drug: her last flu shot (actually, also her first--she almost never gets sick from anything) was pretty rough. She ended up with a very high fever, pneumonia, severe aching in her joints--the whole ball of wax. Her doctor told her in no uncertain terms to avoid vaccines.

[coffeebean]

So the world was going to hell and millions and millions of people were dying and then the vaccines were developed as fast as possible in the middle of a pandemic, not to avert one in the future; and then the world started to get better and better and all the numbers were dropping all over the place and millions upon millions of lives were being saved and then this variant popped up as can and does happen routinely and you can't find the proof that it is a good thing to adjust the vaccine a little and take another shot because you can't seem to find the logic in it and everyone else be dammed if someone tells you otherwise it's all about your rights. You can't be serious. This has to be about something else. It is only the antivaxxers that are dying now. Why the hell not get it. Do you use band aids to stop a tiny infection at the beginning so your leg won't have to be amputated. It's coming for you. Don't you see the videos of the dying and just died family members lamenting that were wrong to not get it. This band aid helps everyone, not just you. You can't wait for the polio shot after you are already limping. Why aren't you embarrassed by your own logic. I think you can still read that deaths to Blacks and Latino from covid are twice that of white and Asians. I heard a guy say that the presidential race was close enough that if a bunch of blacks (democrats in his eyes) die before the next election; the republicans (white in his eyes) would win again because the population of them would be depleted just enough. He also said that Blacks and Latinos have more and more babies than whites that grow up to vote and whites will not ever again be in charge of their country. Is this what this actually is? Racial genocide in a thin disguise? That would be a form of logic at least from an idiot crazy man. What about you? What is it really that is driving you guys?

I agree with everything you said but........paragraphs are your friend.

[Looking for next wife]

The locals are already going against the gov in Fl. We are the highest. You don't think the laws are coming here too. It's already started.

[Swoop]

WE ARE IN A PANDEMIC NOW. Long term side effects are not as important as the immediate short term side effects of not getting it. DEATH.

WOW! So let’s look at who is at risk from Covid. It’s primarily overweight people in poor health. If you’re not one of those, or in another high risk category, your chances of being hospitalized or dying from Covid are extremely low. So, while death is possible from Covid, it is also possible from a myriad of other things. So for me, the short term benefits of the vaccine are overshadowed by the potential long term risks.

[coffeebean]

Love the saving of the wives and husbands. Let's not forget girlfriends and boyfriends, etc. Good point.

Very true and many others too.

[MDLNB]

The locals are already going against the gov in Fl. We are the highest. You don't think the laws are coming here too. It's already started.


I don't know any of my neighbors or family that are "against the gov in Fl" so I guess I will just have to take your word for it. WE aren't ruled by panic so we don't see the need for a gov thumb on the citizen's backs to make them comply.

[Looking for next wife]

I don't know any of my neighbors or family that are "against the gov in Fl" so I guess I will just have to take your word for it. WE aren't ruled by panic so we don't see the need for a gov thumb on the citizen's backs to make them comply.

Do you own a fishing license or a hunting license or a driver's license because your nation and state made you get it. Why did you get it if you are against govt. Fishing doesn't usually kill anyone. Why did you not stand up against it and just go fishing?

No panic after a couple of years of documented millions dying. Just logical progression, not to be denied.

Did you panic while charging up Hamburger Hill or try to duck a little as told to maybe have a chance to save your life, or did you charge up the hill head held high screaming that no body is going to tell you what to do. If you did, in fact, do that; why would you go up the hill as demanded anyway?

[Hiltongrizz11]

I think that anyone who rushes to shots and continues to trust this government without really looking into it deciding for themselves and their doctor is exactly the kind of puppet that the people in control want.

Anyone who falls for this pressure without diligently pursuing their own situation and deciding whether or not these vaccines or a great idea just being a sheep.

I am not anti-vaccine and if things were different I would probably feel differently. There's just so many people acting superior to those who choose not to get the vaccine that it scares me. That plays into the plan of those in power and that's what they want.

The fear will always continue until we push back. I'm not saying that the vaccine is your way to push back but the vaccine is certainly part of the political ploy. It's not right for everyone it's experimental, 44,000 emergency room visits have happened from people who got the vaccines, there have been deaths from the vaccines, there has been paralysis and blood clots from the vaccines and of course we all know that you can still get COVID from the vaccines. Seems to me they just keep moving the goal post trying to keep us in fear and trying to keep us grasping and desperate.

Again if the vaccine is your decision I'm all for it If you're doing if you're getting it due to peer pressure or for any other reason I think you're part of the problem.

[Looking for next wife]

WOW! So let’s look at who is at risk from Covid. It’s primarily overweight people in poor health. If you’re not one of those, or in another high risk category, your chances of being hospitalized or dying from Covid are extremely low. So, while death is possible from Covid, it is also possible from a myriad of other things. So for me, the short term benefits of the vaccine are overshadowed by the potential long term risks.
Sorry, first sentence not true at all. It is not primarily. Everyone is dying, doesn't matter if the frail go a little quicker which is normal in any walk of life. It is just that this is avoidable. Please don't give it to a frail person anyway; get a shot.

[Bob.Betty]

i haven't heard a convincing argument to get any vaccine. And i have had covid

[Looking for next wife]

i haven't heard a convincing argument to get any vaccine. And i have had covid
If Betty dies; will you be convinced? Beske

[ThirdOfFive]

So the world was going to hell and millions and millions of people were dying and then the vaccines were developed as fast as possible in the middle of a pandemic, not to avert one in the future; and then the world started to get better and better and all the numbers were dropping all over the place and millions upon millions of lives were being saved and then this variant popped up as can and does happen routinely and you can't find the proof that it is a good thing to adjust the vaccine a little and take another shot because you can't seem to find the logic in it and everyone else be dammed if someone tells you otherwise it's all about your rights. You can't be serious. This has to be about something else. It is only the antivaxxers that are dying now. Why the hell not get it. Do you use band aids to stop a tiny infection at the beginning so your leg won't have to be amputated. It's coming for you. Don't you see the videos of the dying and just died family members lamenting that were wrong to not get it. This band aid helps everyone, not just you. You can't wait for the polio shot after you are already limping. Why aren't you embarrassed by your own logic. I think you can still read that deaths to Blacks and Latino from covid are twice that of white and Asians. I heard a guy say that the presidential race was close enough that if a bunch of blacks (democrats in his eyes) die before the next election; the republicans (white in his eyes) would win again because the population of them would be depleted just enough. He also said that Blacks and Latinos have more and more babies than whites that grow up to vote and whites will not ever again be in charge of their country. Is this what this actually is? Racial genocide in a thin disguise? That would be a form of logic at least from an idiot crazy man. What about you? What is it really that is driving you guys?
The post quoted above brings a few thoughts to mind.

For some time now I've been noticing an ever-widening gap between what we read and the reality of what we're reading about. Case in point: the Minnesota Metro newspapers will occasionally run stories about this-or-that situation or occurrence in Florida. The gap was not nearly so evident to me before I moved here as it is now; after spending nearly a year now it is becoming apparent that a lot of these stories try to make a point by presenting or reinforcing a stereotype. Florida is NOT filled with ignorant violent hayseeds being led around by the nose by some cowboy officed in Tallahassee. Quite the opposite, in fact.

Closer to home: if all one ever knew about The Villages is what one reads here in TOTV, it would be very easy to get the mental image of the population here as a group of fogies (not ALL the fogies, but a lot--probably the majority--of them) are people hidden behind masks, lining up for shots, and rigorously enforcing social-distancing when they're rarely out in public. Again, the reality is far different. Last Wednesday evening my wife and I attended a meeting over fire and rescue services in The Villages that was held at the Wildwood Community Center. Standing-room only: probably 350 people there at a minumum. Mainly the aforementioned fogies but also a sizeable number of young firefighters and paramedics. Out of those estimated 350 attendees, I saw maybe a total of 30 people wearing masks, if even that many. Social distancing? Forget it. Not happening.

So why this disconnect? Message boards, Twitter, newspapers...people have always been able to seek out views and interpretations of events and situations that reinforce their particular points of view, at least up to a point, but today it seems to be an epidemic. An epidemic that, in my opinion, is far more dangerous than COVID.

People need to see REALITY. Forming your opinions based on what other people say or write has always been dangerous, but never more so than today.

[toeser]

The FDA has collected the six months of data needed for full approval. Nothing adverse in the data but seems to be some delay is getting the recommendation finalized.

Nothing adverse in the data? You need to do some research on VAERS data. I got my shots and will likely get a booster, but not everyone has been so lucky. There have been a ton of adverse reactions. That is likely holding up full approval.

https://www.openvaers.com/images/files/FridayOpenVAERSAlert07-30-21.pdf

[Swoop]

Sorry, first sentence not true at all. It is not primarily. Everyone is dying, doesn't matter if the frail go a little quicker which is normal in any walk of life. It is just that this is avoidable. Please don't give it to a frail person anyway; get a shot.
The frail person should get vaccinated. If I were in an at risk category, I would get vaccinated…

[Looking for next wife]

I see this everywhere. That is a good point and I see the masks down all over the place not because people refuse to wear them; but rather what I see and hear is it is just the delay in getting them going on again like it was originally with people that are finally glad to have been able to finally remove them. It took a long time to get them routine in the first place and this time it is going to be more difficult just for that reason. But they obviously worked as the numbers dropped everywhere there were active laws and guidelines.

[blueash]

Give me freedom or give me...


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[Looking for next wife]

Give me freedom or give me...


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Very well put with few words!! Wish I had done that.

[Malsua]

Sorry, first sentence not true at all. It is not primarily. Everyone is dying, doesn't matter if the frail go a little quicker which is normal in any walk of life. It is just that this is avoidable. Please don't give it to a frail person anyway; get a shot.

Not everyone is dying. Those that are, predominantly are obese. You can read the entire report from the CDC here:


https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/pdf/21_0123.pdf

Among 4,899,447 hospitalized adults in PHD-SR, 540,667
(11.0%) were patients with COVID-19, of whom 94.9% had at
least 1 underlying medical condition. Essential hypertension
(50.4%), disorders of lipid metabolism (49.4%), and obesity
(33.0%) were the most common. The strongest risk factors for
death were obesity (adjusted risk ratio [aRR] = 1.30; 95% CI,
1.27–1.33), anxiety and fear-related disorders (aRR = 1.28; 95%
CI, 1.25–1.31), and diabetes with complication (aRR = 1.26; 95%
CI, 1.24–1.28), as well as the total number of conditions, with
aRRs of death ranging from 1.53 (95% CI, 1.41–1.67) for patients
with 1 condition to 3.82 (95% CI, 3.45–4.23) for patients with
more than 10 conditions (compared with patients with no conditions).

[MDLNB]

I don't know any of my neighbors or family that are "against the gov in Fl" so I guess I will just have to take your word for it. WE aren't ruled by panic so we don't see the need for a gov thumb on the citizen's backs to make them comply.

Do you own a fishing license or a hunting license or a driver's license because your nation and state made you get it. Why did you get it if you are against govt. Fishing doesn't usually kill anyone. Why did you not stand up against it and just go fishing?

No panic after a couple of years of documented millions dying. Just logical progression, not to be denied.

Did you panic while charging up Hamburger Hill or try to duck a little as told to maybe have a chance to save your life, or did you charge up the hill head held high screaming that no body is going to tell you what to do. If you did, in fact, do that; why would you go up the hill as demanded anyway?


Nothing in your comment is pertinent to the subject, or to anything I have posted.

[Gigi3000]

Pfizer has postponed Boosters.....I do believe they have an ADE problem on their hands and trying to get ahead of it.:mornincoffee:

ADE problem?

[merrymini]

It's not "within the last two months." Pfizer said from the very start of their development that they wouldn't know how long the vaccines would last, and this was part of the process. There was a big to-do when it passed the six-month mark and they said it was holding firm, but that they STILL didn't know how long it would remain as effective. Moderna said the same, and so did J&J.

We all knew that there was a distinct possibility there'd be a need for a booster, or even a vaccine every year indefinitely. It was always a possibility and no one ever tried to hide this from anyone, it was well-publicized.

Part of the problem is that the vaccine wasn't administered to the majority. If the majority had been vaccinated, the virus possibly wouldn't have lasted long enough to need a booster. It would've possibly died out. But since the majority isn't vaccinated, we'll never know for sure. And so we're in the situation we're in now.

Sure, blame the unvaccinated not the medical community for not knowing something because they have not run the vaccines through long term trials before vaccinating millions of people. You are the trials. They do not know because they have not had enough time to know but keep on believing them. There is lots of money to be made on that belief.

[Malsua]

ADE problem?

Anti-body dependent Enhancement.

It's a vaccine boogey man and is a real thing for some vaccines. There is no evidence that any of the current Covid vaccines cause it.

Essentially what happens in ADE is that you are vaccinated and when exposed to the actual pathogen, you get _really_ sick and often die.

There are definitely people having adverse reactions to the vaccine, there are definitely people that have died from it. The sample size however is massive so it's a risk-reward trade off. There is no doubt that anyone at risk from this disease should get vaccinated.

Kids? Pregnant moms? I think I'd wait on that but it doesn't really apply to me. I'm in my 50s, everyone around me in family is 50+, so we're all vaxxed. I had a pretty robust reaction to the 2nd Moderna shot(2 days wiped out), to the point I'm not getting a booster as I'm not really at risk other than age.

[Looking for next wife]

Nothing in your comment is pertinent to the subject, or to anything I have posted.
Sorry. Analogies. Supposedly the best way to make a point in "certain cases". I thought everyone knew.

[Pginbr]

Tos

[Pat2015]

Moderna is finalizing data on several booster shots for Covid 19 and urges elderly populations such as The Villages to get a booster shot to avoid respiratory complications. The efficacy of the first two shots diminishes after 6 to 9 months. We got our second shot in March 2021 so about November we will sign up for the booster. Moderna is a vaccine company that developed a vaccine against Covid 19 last year under Operation Warp Speed..
So another change since 7/11/21???

Fauci told CNN's Jake Tapper that the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the US Food and Drug Administration is saying right now, "given the data and the information we have, we do not need to give people a third shot, a boost, superimposed upon the two doses you get with the mRNA (Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccine) and the one dose you get with (Johnson & Johnson)." I’m out with participating in the ongoing clinical study!

[PJackpot]

Moderna is finalizing data on several booster shots for Covid 19 and urges elderly populations such as The Villages to get a booster shot to avoid respiratory complications. The efficacy of the first two shots diminishes after 6 to 9 months. We got our second shot in March 2021 so about November we will sign up for the booster. Moderna is a vaccine company that developed a vaccine against Covid 19 last year under Operation Warp Speed.

I'm done with the vaccine game.

[clasyldynpa]

The more important question I would be asking is: Why have they suppressed very safe and effective medications that have been proven many times over that they cure Covid. Dr’s and pharmacist have been told not to prescribe or fulfill the prescriptions for Hydroxychloriquine, Ivermectin and Buedesinide(?) It’s mostly about the greed and love of money. Research, American Frontline Doctors.

[graciegirl]

The more important question I would be asking is: Why have they suppressed very safe and effective medications that have been proven many times over that they cure Covid. Dr’s and pharmacist have been told not to prescribe or fulfill the prescriptions for Hydroxychloriquine, Ivermectin and Buedesinide(?) It’s mostly about the greed and love of money. Research, American Frontline Doctors.

When I read this, my blood boils. As it does when I read that Cancer could be cured if it were not for the greed of the doctors.

I am a believer in truth, and in the diligent scientists who developed the vaccines against polio, against Small pox, etc. etc. etc. I respect the high intelligence, and the skill that it takes to bring us this prevention. I worry that this virus will continue to mutate and could possibly reach the point of VERY DIRE CONSEQUENCES.

Me and mine will get a booster, if one is offered and recommended by those people who know more about immunity that we do.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

[SugarOnMyTongue]

Be patriotic, do your part, get the vaccine (and boosters as needed)! Let's get the countries health, economy and supply chain back in order.

[Vermilion Villager]

I’m done tired of the lies. No more shots for us

So....did you get the vaccine shot?

[DAVES]

This sounds like the same marketing pitch Pfizer made within the last two months.

It will be interesting to see the studies that show not only that the antibodies are falling off but the level of antibodies needed to still be protected. There may be fewer antibodies today than nine months ago but if the level is still far above what is needed for protection against the virus then getting a booster is just putting money into the manufacturer's pocket.

I am far from an expert. There is no shortage of people who do not know, posting very partial information.

I was going to post that I read that Pfizer also has a booster. We have gotten both of the Pfizer shots. That was an adventure. Waking up at 5:30 4-5x to wait in the hope of getting an appointment. Now as I predicted, I expected a grocery credit. I don't think it has come to that. They are just handing out hundred dollar bills or whatever.

I also have read Moderna is an American owned company, Pfizer is owned, by Germany, the US and CHINA-whatever that means.

I have also read that moderna is slightly less expensive than Pfizer.

All this debate. If, I am correct the polio shot and small pox shots were forced. You had to have them to go to school. The debate? Your going for the polio shot weds. Debate
YES MOM.

[Pat2015]

When I read this, my blood boils. As it does when I read that Cancer could be cured if it were not for the greed of the doctors.

I am a believer in truth, and in the diligent scientists who developed the vaccines against polio, against Small pox, etc. etc. etc. I respect the high intelligence, and the skill that it takes to bring us this prevention. I worry that this virus will continue to mutate and could possibly reach the point of VERY DIRE CONSEQUENCES.

Me and mine will get a booster, if one is offered and recommended by those people who know more about immunity that we do.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Though three weeks ago Fauci said boosters were not necessary??? Exactly what “scientists” is one to believe? I’m out with participating in the ongoing clinical study!

[Swoop]

I am far from an expert. There is no shortage of people who do not know, posting very partial information.

I was going to post that I read that Pfizer also has a booster. We have gotten both of the Pfizer shots. That was an adventure. Waking up at 5:30 4-5x to wait in the hope of getting an appointment. Now as I predicted, I expected a grocery credit. I don't think it has come to that. They are just handing out hundred dollar bills or whatever.

I also have read Moderna is an American owned company, Pfizer is owned, by Germany, the US and CHINA-whatever that means.

I have also read that moderna is slightly less expensive than Pfizer.

All this debate. If, I am correct the polio shot and small pox shots were forced. You had to have them to go to school. The debate? Your going for the polio shot weds. Debate
YES MOM.
I am really growing tired of the polio analogy. Polio was indiscriminate - it effected people of all ages regardless of their health. Covid has had almost no impact on children. The only similarity is they were both viruses…

[DAVES]

When I read this, my blood boils. As it does when I read that Cancer could be cured if it were not for the greed of the doctors.

I am a believer in truth, and in the diligent scientists who developed the vaccines against polio, against Small pox, etc. etc. etc. I respect the high intelligence, and the skill that it takes to bring us this prevention. I worry that this virus will continue to mutate and could possibly reach the point of VERY DIRE CONSEQUENCES.

Me and mine will get a booster, if one is offered and recommended by those people who know more about immunity that we do.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Polio, interesting history. Dr Salk came up with an effective polio vaccine in 1953.
I was three years old. Parents used to live in fear that their kids would catch polio.
Depending on how much damage it did to you, it could mean living the rest of your life in a breathing device called an iron lung. Even then we had pet names for such horrors.

First of all Dr Salk gave the vaccine to the world and made nothing on it. Secondly, there was no debate. If, you wanted to go to school, and you were forced to go to school, you had to get the shot. If, I recall it was several shots boosters etc. Polio is gone in the US
except when we allow it to be imported.

Things have surely changed. Mom said we are going for a polio shot and we went.
There was no debate. I did not have a cell phone. Not sure if child protection services existed. Hum, if I didn't miss them. If, they didn't get married before having kids. If, they didn't work so hard for us. Surely, I could, I SHOULD sue them. POST TOILET TRAINING SYNDROME???????????

[Bill14564]

Though three weeks ago Fauci said boosters were not necessary??? Exactly what “scientists” is one to believe? I’m out with participating in the ongoing clinical study!

I believe the Fauci, the CDC, and the FDA said boosters were not necessary in response to Pfizer suggesting they were. Now Moderna is suggesting boosters are necessary.

Perhaps boosters will be necessary but we need more than the manufacturer saying, "come and get it."

[Bill14564]

Nothing adverse in the data? You need to do some research on VAERS data. I got my shots and will likely get a booster, but not everyone has been so lucky. There have been a ton of adverse reactions. That is likely holding up full approval.

https://www.openvaers.com/images/files/FridayOpenVAERSAlert07-30-21.pdf

When you did your research on adverse reactions, what were the top five and what percentage of the events did they cover?

[Looking for next wife]

When I read this, my blood boils. As it does when I read that Cancer could be cured if it were not for the greed of the doctors.

I am a believer in truth, and in the diligent scientists who developed the vaccines against polio, against Small pox, etc. etc. etc. I respect the high intelligence, and the skill that it takes to bring us this prevention. I worry that this virus will continue to mutate and could possibly reach the point of VERY DIRE CONSEQUENCES.

Me and mine will get a booster, if one is offered and recommended by those people who know more about immunity that we do.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
It has been proven by studies for years and years now that many needy people who did not get into the group they sought while growing up, such as having lunch at the "in crowd" middle school table, or made the football team, cheer leading team, good grades, etc., later in life subliminally create their own "in crowd" group, therefore giving them the feeling of belonging to something special that you don't. Hence the idiotic QAnon groups and such. This is why, video tapes, cold hard facts, and such have no effect on them. They "need" to believe Hillary drinks baby's blood and tracking devices in the vaccines, etc. to finally belong to the special "all knowing in crowd group" and you will never never ever change their minds. They always resort to conspiracy and lies and that makes them feel protected and special. This is why there are few Harvard MBAs, handsome people, doctors, lawyers, pretty women, etc. in their ranks. Most are out of work young men staying with mom. Sad, but true. Now, someone here will point out the one handsome lawyer or doctor in the whole US that belongs to that group thinking that proves me wrong. Problem is; there is only one.

[kendi]

Driven by money, not the welfare of the people. No more shots for me.

[MDLNB]

Polio, interesting history. Dr Salk came up with an effective polio vaccine in 1953.
I was three years old. Parents used to live in fear that their kids would catch polio.
Depending on how much damage it did to you, it could mean living the rest of your life in a breathing device called an iron lung. Even then we had pet names for such horrors.

First of all Dr Salk gave the vaccine to the world and made nothing on it. Secondly, there was no debate. If, you wanted to go to school, and you were forced to go to school, you had to get the shot. If, I recall it was several shots boosters etc. Polio is gone in the US
except when we allow it to be imported.

Things have surely changed. Mom said we are going for a polio shot and we went.
There was no debate. I did not have a cell phone. Not sure if child protection services existed. Hum, if I didn't miss them. If, they didn't get married before having kids. If, they didn't work so hard for us. Surely, I could, I SHOULD sue them. POST TOILET TRAINING SYNDROME???????????


I received the Polio vaccine via a sugar cube. Did I get ripped off? Or, did you?:1rotfl:

[graciegirl]

Though three weeks ago Fauci said boosters were not necessary??? Exactly what “scientists” is one to believe? I’m out with participating in the ongoing clinical study!

He is responding to conditions as the figures arrive. I think one thing that IS different is that many, many, many, many more people are getting tested for Covid. Everytime I see the lines for this, I wonder why the lines are not that long for the shots.

Lots of people are getting Covid and not so many people are dying from it, because they are younger. The older you are the worse it is for you to get sick with this bug.

It just seems so frustrating to me, that the vaccine is there, certainly not without risk, but the risk of being inoculated is far less than getting the damn Delta mutation.

[coffeebean]

i haven't heard a convincing argument to get any vaccine. And i have had covid

How about that these mRNA vaccines are life saving. Is that not convincing enough for you? Saving lives is not important enough for you? SMH.

[ThirdOfFive]

The more important question I would be asking is: Why have they suppressed very safe and effective medications that have been proven many times over that they cure Covid. Dr’s and pharmacist have been told not to prescribe or fulfill the prescriptions for Hydroxychloriquine, Ivermectin and Buedesinide(?) It’s mostly about the greed and love of money. Research, American Frontline Doctors.
It is something I've been asking myself as well.

In the case of Invermectin, as I understand it, it is a drug that has been around for decades, mainly as an anti-parasitic. No more or less dangerous than any other drug. However the CDC has not approved the use of Invermectin for COVID treatment--their reason? That it has not been adequately tested in clinical trials!

This, from the same organization that gave the OK for the Moderna, Pfizer, and J&J vaccines, none of which had had anything close (by their own standards) to "adequate clinical trials".

You have to wonder about this.

[coffeebean]

Nothing adverse in the data? You need to do some research on VAERS data. I got my shots and will likely get a booster, but not everyone has been so lucky. There have been a ton of adverse reactions. That is likely holding up full approval.

https://www.openvaers.com/images/files/FridayOpenVAERSAlert07-30-21.pdf

This is garbage. Full FDA approval coming soon.

[coffeebean]

Sure, blame the unvaccinated not the medical community for not knowing something because they have not run the vaccines through long term trials before vaccinating millions of people. You are the trials. They do not know because they have not had enough time to know but keep on believing them. There is lots of money to be made on that belief.

The un-vaxxed are surely to blame. They are supplying this virus with hosts. The vaccinated are much more difficult targets hence the amount of vaccinated people who are perpetuating this pandemic are a blip on the radar compared to the un-vaxxed. There is no denying that so don't even try.

[petiteone]

This sounds like the same marketing pitch Pfizer made within the last two months.

It will be interesting to see the studies that show not only that the antibodies are falling off but the level of antibodies needed to still be protected. There may be fewer antibodies today than nine months ago but if the level is still far above what is needed for protection against the virus then getting a booster is just putting money into the manufacturer's pocket.

We need a flu shot each year for the same reason. Most respiratory viruses mutate and need an upgraded boost at some time.

[coffeebean]

I am really growing tired of the polio analogy. Polio was indiscriminate - it effected people of all ages regardless of their health. Covid has had almost no impact on children. The only similarity is they were both viruses…

Covid has no impact on children but those children can surely still spread the virus when they are contagious. So, there is that.

[Malsua]

It is something I've been asking myself as well.

In the case of Invermectin, as I understand it, it is a drug that has been around for decades, mainly as an anti-parasitic. No more or less dangerous than any other drug. However the CDC has not approved the use of Invermectin for COVID treatment--their reason? That it has not been adequately tested in clinical trials!

This, from the same organization that gave the OK for the Moderna, Pfizer, and J&J vaccines, none of which had had anything close (by their own standards) to "adequate clinical trials".

You have to wonder about this.

As far as the safety of Ivermectin goes, it has got to be the safest, most widely prescribed drug in existence. 4 billion + doses administered since the mid 70s, 44 deaths. Aspirin kills more than that in a year.

As of right now, there have been something like 66 trials of Ivermectin for Covid. I don't know the exact number but it grows every week. Oxford started a trial recently. The vast majority are RCT, a few are double blind, pretty much all of them are positive in reducing symptoms and mortality. There are two I believe that are neutral.

Most are small, it's true. Many of the trials have cofounding issues, and none were done by big pharma. There is a positive signal there, of that there is NO questions. It also seems to cure long covid in about 80% of the cases, but data on that is lacking.

They approved Remdesivir based on one trial where the end point was altered to get a positive outcome. By that metric, Ivermectin should be the standard of care everywhere but there's no money in it. Even Merck came out against it. Of course, they have a competing drug in the pipeline. Show me the incentive, I'll show you the outcome.

There are very few drug interactions with Ivermectin, Warfarin is one, but then, who the heck is still on that one as there are better drugs out now. IVM should not be taken willy nilly, but look at India? They hand it out to peasants who don't seem to have any issue with it. By the way, the precipitous drop in cases in India? Correlates pretty much exactly to when IVM was mass distributed? What does it mean? Again, a strong signal that should not be dismissed.

That said, there are now nasal sprays that seem to be doing the trick for prophylaxes. Expect that to start getting some real air time soon. Of course they will probably be $10 a dose, 3 times a day, but that's something.

[coffeebean]

It has been proven by studies for years and years now that many needy people who did not get into the group they sought while growing up, such as having lunch at the "in crowd" middle school table, or made the football team, cheer leading team, good grades, etc., later in life subliminally create their own "in crowd" group, therefore giving them the feeling of belonging to something special that you don't. Hence the idiotic QAnon groups and such. This is why, video tapes, cold hard facts, and such have no effect on them. They "need" to believe Hillary drinks baby's blood and tracking devices in the vaccines, etc. to finally belong to the special "all knowing in crowd group" and you will never never ever change their minds. They always resort to conspiracy and lies and that makes them feel protected and special. This is why there are few Harvard MBAs, handsome people, doctors, lawyers, pretty women, etc. in their ranks. Most are out of work young men staying with mom. Sad, but true. Now, someone here will point out the one handsome lawyer or doctor in the whole US that belongs to that group thinking that proves me wrong. Problem is; there is only one.

I sort of knew that these people were strange sorts......just looking at them I can tell. To be honest, I get the heebie jeebies when I see these guys in their pick me up trucks with the flags waving in the back. They LOOK like they don't have the smarts to intelligently figure anything out.

My goodness, I saw a guy with a long beard yesterday in a black pick me up truck with an American flag on one side of the back of the truck and the other side had a black flag that said "F$#K Biden and the Ho". That gave me the CREEPS!!!! These are the people that are fueling the pandemic by refusing the vaccines. They are not very sharp.

[Bill14564]

We need a flu shot each year for the same reason. Most respiratory viruses mutate and need an upgraded boost at some time.

I think you may have misunderstood my post. It is entirely possible that boosters will be necessary sometime in the future. Determining when they will be needed is going to take more work.

It won't be up to Pfizer or Moderna to tell us the booster is ready and it's time to be re-vaccinated. Rather, it will be up to the CDC and FDA to evaluate the data and identify the point where the vaccine is no longer providing sufficient protection.

[coffeebean]

It is something I've been asking myself as well.

In the case of Invermectin, as I understand it, it is a drug that has been around for decades, mainly as an anti-parasitic. No more or less dangerous than any other drug. However the CDC has not approved the use of Invermectin for COVID treatment--their reason? That it has not been adequately tested in clinical trials!

This, from the same organization that gave the OK for the Moderna, Pfizer, and J&J vaccines, none of which had had anything close (by their own standards) to "adequate clinical trials".

You have to wonder about this.

Isn't Ivermectin for horses?
Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19 | FDA (https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19)

[Malsua]

Isn't Ivermectin for horses?
Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19 | FDA (https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19)

IVM is widely used as an anti-parasitic for a variety of diseases among humans too. It is one of the world's essential medicines. It all but eliminates river blindness in Africa. Scabies, and tons of other things too.

It also has strong anti-viral properties. At this point, there are at least 7 known mechanism of action against viruses, and the next thing you're going to read is that "to make it work, you have to have a massive dangerous dose". That was based on one In-vitro study and while they used massive doses, that particular method of action, is not the primary one thought to be effective in covid. That's the Importin alpha and beta channel, which is definitely anti-viral. At this point, it appears that IVM binds to the spike protein itself. This means that even a little bit of IVM in your system and the spike protein cannot dock to your cells.

You can read about it here: Ivermectin Docks to the SARS-CoV-2 Spike Receptor-binding Domain Attached to ACE2 - PubMed (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32871846/#:~:text=Results%3A%20Ivermectin%20docked%20in%20t he,constant%20was%205.8%20e%2D08).

IVM stays in your system quite some time, which is why you give your dog one pill a month of it.

Once again, there is a strong signal here, it's not crystals and chicken bones.

[MDLNB]

Be patriotic, do your part, get the vaccine (and boosters as needed)! Let's get the countries health, economy and supply chain back in order.


Are you accusing those that do not wish to be vaccinated of being UN-Patriotic?



Sometimes I wonder if anyone is REALLY trying to convince others to do something or if they just wish to name call and demean them.

[MDLNB]

I sort of knew that these people were strange sorts......just looking at them I can tell. To be honest, I get the heebie jeebies when I see these guys in their pick me up trucks with the flags waving in the back. They LOOK like they don't have the smarts to intelligently figure anything out.

My goodness, I saw a guy with a long beard yesterday in a black pick me up truck with an American flag on one side of the back of the truck and the other side had a black flag that said "F$#K Biden and the Ho". That gave me the CREEPS!!!! These are the people that are fueling the pandemic by refusing the vaccines. They are not very sharp.


stereotype much? did they tell you that they did not get vaccinated? was it the American flag that bothered you?

[ThirdOfFive]

I sort of knew that these people were strange sorts......just looking at them I can tell. To be honest, I get the heebie jeebies when I see these guys in their pick me up trucks with the flags waving in the back. They LOOK like they don't have the smarts to intelligently figure anything out.

My goodness, I saw a guy with a long beard yesterday in a black pick me up truck with an American flag on one side of the back of the truck and the other side had a black flag that said "F$#K Biden and the Ho". That gave me the CREEPS!!!! These are the people that are fueling the pandemic by refusing the vaccines. They are not very sharp.
Pointing to the extremes and equating them to the main body of people is poor logic, regardless of what side of the fence you're standing on. It is precisely that reason that prevents any serious discussion from happening.

Far easier to hate, than it is to reason.

[asianthree]

Covid has no impact on children but those children can surely still spread the virus when they are contagious. So, there is that.

Convince the parents of a 2yo that was airlifted today with Covid. Not the first child, won’t be the last. Dear friend lost their 5 year old to Covid, both parents physicians, everything they studied for couldn’t save their child

[graciegirl]

I sort of knew that these people were strange sorts......just looking at them I can tell. To be honest, I get the heebie jeebies when I see these guys in their pick me up trucks with the flags waving in the back. They LOOK like they don't have the smarts to intelligently figure anything out.

My goodness, I saw a guy with a long beard yesterday in a black pick me up truck with an American flag on one side of the back of the truck and the other side had a black flag that said "F$#K Biden and the Ho". That gave me the CREEPS!!!! These are the people that are fueling the pandemic by refusing the vaccines. They are not very sharp.


I wouldn't know a Qanon if I fell over one. It is wrong somehow to dislike people because they have low I.Q. Half of the world is below average and half is above average. The smart folks that make it to Jeopardy, don't have very good sartorial skills and not many hold impressive jobs. I am a card carrying R and I like Dr. Fauci. I don't like Ron Paul or AOC or Sarah Palin or Hillary. It is hard to pigeon hole folks. We are all pretty complicated and most of us are nice.

[coffeebean]

Are you accusing those that do not wish to be vaccinated of being UN-Patriotic?



Sometimes I wonder if anyone is REALLY trying to convince others to do something or if they just wish to name call and demean them.

Let's turn that around.......do you consider those who are not doing their part (getting vaccinated) for the good of their country and countrymen, patriotic?

[coffeebean]

stereotype much? did they tell you that they did not get vaccinated? was it the American flag that bothered you?

Oh please! Of course there is the stereotype. If the shoe fits.There is no way in hell these folks are vaccinated as a generalization and you know it......

The American flag will never bother me. The way our flag was displayed along with the other flag, however, DID bother me.

[coffeebean]

Convince the parents of a 2yo that was airlifted today with Covid. Not the first child, won’t be the last. Dear friend lost their 5 year old to Covid, both parents physicians, everything they studied for couldn’t save their child
Sorry.....I take back what I said about children not being affected. Children most certainly are affected by Covid and most certainly have died from Covid, just not in the numbers that seniors are affected.

[coffeebean]

I wouldn't know a Qanon if I fell over one. It is wrong somehow to dislike people because they have low I.Q. Half of the world is below average and half is above average. The smart folks that make it to Jeopardy, don't have very good sartorial skills and not many hold impressive jobs. I am a card carrying R and I like Dr. Fauci. I don't like Ron Paul or AOC or Sarah Palin or Hillary. It is hard to pigeon hole folks. We are all pretty complicated and most of us are nice.
Gracie.....believe me. If you saw that fellow in the pick me up truck that I saw the other day, you would KNOW what they look like. Take a look at all those who stormed the Capitol. That will give you an idea. You know.....that guy with the horns on his head? That is what I'm talking about.

[Swoop]

Let's turn that around.......do you consider those who are not doing their part (getting vaccinated) for the good of their country and countrymen, patriotic?

This has nothing to do with patriotism. You got vaccinated to protect yourself. Now you and others who were calling day and night, to get to the front of the line, to get your shots - did it for the good of the country… please…

[coffeebean]

This has nothing to do with patriotism. You got vaccinated to protect yourself. Now you and others who were calling day and night, to get to the front of the line, to get your shots - did it for the good of the country… please…

I can only tell you why I was vaccinated. First of all to save my own ass. Second of all to get our country to a SAFE herd immunity. That is my story and I can not speak for others.

[Swoop]

I can only tell you why I was vaccinated. First of all to save my own ass. Second of all to get our country to a SAFE herd immunity. That is my story and I can not speak for others.
Anything beyond the first reason is just convenient…
You did it for you, which is fine. It hard to stomach those acting sanctimonious after the fact…

[CFrance]

The smart folks that make it to Jeopardy, don't have very good sartorial skills and not many hold impressive jobs... It is hard to pigeon hole folks.
Um... I think that was pigeon holing.

[NoMoSno]

Oh please! Of course there is the stereotype. If the shoe fits.There is no way in hell these folks are vaccinated as a generalization and you know it......

The American flag will never bother me. The way our flag was displayed along with the other flag, however, DID bother me.
So anyone in a pickup displaying an American flag and a political flag you don't like, MUST be unvaccinated and be a Qanon supporter?...OK got it...

[rogerk]

Lots opinions with few facts. The problem seems to be the “facts” are always wrapped in politics - left or right but still political.

[coffeebean]

So anyone in a pickup displaying an American flag and a political flag you don't like, MUST be unvaccinated and be a Qanon supporter?...OK got it...

As I said, if the shoe fits.........

[NoMoSno]

As I said, if the shoe fits.........
So since the majority of unvaccinated are minorities, every time you see a low rider Cadillac with 21" shiny rims you assume they are unvaccinated and in a Blood or Crip gang...OK got it.

[John41]

With respect to needing a booster some preliminary results in several countries show the highly contagious Delta variant burns itself out without requiring a booster. One issue is new variants coming into the US from illegal immigration on the Southern border due to poor border management. The immigration controls on the Southern border need to be brought up to the standards for immigration into the US from the rest of the world. A second issue is vaccine hesitancy which may subside with full FDA approval of the vaccines.

[graciegirl]

[/I]
Um... I think that was pigeon holing.

There are a lot of smart folks who do have good jobs and dress quite stylishly. There are people with low I.Q.s who dress stylishly and are quite charming and appropriate, one of them is our delightful daughter.

I worry about the people who aren't choosing to be vaccinated and I worry about the repercussions, but they are still good people and loved by their friends and their family.

You are right. I was pigeon holing. And I don't like everyone.

[tedquick]

My wife and I were in the Moderna trials. I got the vaccine and she got the placebo. I got my second shot last Oct. 9th. Today I was retested for the anti-bodies and still have them. It's been ten months now. When they unblinded the results they notified my wife and she got her second shot February 26th and still has anti-bodies as of today . After our second shots we both had very mild less-than-24 hours of slight fever and some sore joints, nothing more, nothing less. Another interesting fact that I've run into is that those who had Covid first and then got the shots had much greater reactions from the shots than those of us who just had the shots. Having said that we both highly recommend the shots as a preventative.

[MDLNB]

Let's turn that around.......do you consider those who are not doing their part (getting vaccinated) for the good of their country and countrymen, patriotic?


I have a feeling that SOME folks do not understand the term "Patriotic" and use the term loosely and as a verbal weapon. "Turning" that around makes no more sense than the original supposition that if one does not agree with you they are NOT "patriotic."

[MDLNB]

Gracie.....believe me. If you saw that fellow in the pick me up truck that I saw the other day, you would KNOW what they look like. Take a look at all those who stormed the Capitol. That will give you an idea. You know.....that guy with the horns on his head? That is what I'm talking about.


That person that you saw in the truck was a Veteran and holder of the Purple Heart. How is his appearance offensive?

[coffeebean]

I have a feeling that SOME folks do not understand the term "Patriotic" and use the term loosely and as a verbal weapon. "Turning" that around makes no more sense than the original supposition that if one does not agree with you they are NOT "patriotic."

That is your opinion and you are certainly entitled to have and voice your opinion.

[coffeebean]

That person that you saw in the truck was a Veteran and holder of the Purple Heart. How is his appearance offensive?

Did I use the word "offensive"? I don't think so. I was profiling, actually, and don't tell me that people do not do that. Of course they do. I would bet a lot of money that guy at the capitol with the horns on his head is NOT vaccinated. Just a gut feeling. I would bet money on it though.

[coffeebean]

That person that you saw in the truck was a Veteran and holder of the Purple Heart. How is his appearance offensive?

Maybe. Maybe not.

[coffeebean]

That person that you saw in the truck was a Veteran and holder of the Purple Heart. How is his appearance offensive?

Thought about this more.......... probably UN-VAXXED! I would bet money on that. That is my point.

[John41]

Did I use the word "offensive"? I don't think so. I was profiling, actually, and don't tell me that people do not do that. Of course they do. I would bet a lot of money that guy at the capitol with the horns on his head is NOT vaccinated. Just a gut feeling. I would bet money on it though.

Actually he was vaccinated early with the Pfizer vaccine and the horns are a little known long term side effect of the Pfizer vaccine not being funded by OWS. Look in the mirror.

The pattern of the Delta variant is a steep, rapid increase then sharp falloff. A booster might not be needed.

[MDLNB]

Thought about this more.......... probably UN-VAXXED! I would bet money on that. That is my point.


Probably? No, he was vaccinated by the VA. He said he earned the right to whatever appearance he wishes. As a decorated Veteran, he should be able to feel free to whatever appearance he wishes. I may not dress like that and I do not drive a pickup truck anymore, but I have to agree with him. Generally, most PATRIOTIC folks thank veterans for their service and do NOT dis' them for not dressing as the elitists that criticize them.

[coffeebean]

Actually he was vaccinated early with the Pfizer vaccine and the horns are a little known long term side effect of the Pfizer vaccine not being funded by OWS. Look in the mirror.

The pattern of the Delta variant is a steep, rapid increase then sharp falloff. A booster might not be needed.

Too funny!

Hopefully this Delta variant will peter out like it did in UK and India. They had sharp decline in cases with no actual reason for it.

[coffeebean]

Probably? No, he was vaccinated by the VA. He said he earned the right to whatever appearance he wishes. As a decorated Veteran, he should be able to feel free to whatever appearance he wishes. I may not dress like that and I do not drive a pickup truck anymore, but I have to agree with him. Generally, most PATRIOTIC folks thank veterans for their service and do NOT dis' them for not dressing as the elitists that criticize them.

I'm referring to the guy I saw on the road in a pick me up truck on 441. How can you say for sure he was vaccinated by the VA? How do you even know who he is?

If you are referring to the guy with the horns at the Capitol, then that is a different story. I have no idea if he is vaxxed or not. Has he gone public with that information?

[Topspinmo]

It has been proven by studies for years and years now that many needy people who did not get into the group they sought while growing up, such as having lunch at the "in crowd" middle school table, or made the football team, cheer leading team, good grades, etc., later in life subliminally create their own "in crowd" group, therefore giving them the feeling of belonging to something special that you don't. Hence the idiotic QAnon groups and such. This is why, video tapes, cold hard facts, and such have no effect on them. They "need" to believe Hillary drinks baby's blood and tracking devices in the vaccines, etc. to finally belong to the special "all knowing in crowd group" and you will never never ever change their minds. They always resort to conspiracy and lies and that makes them feel protected and special. This is why there are few Harvard MBAs, handsome people, doctors, lawyers, pretty women, etc. in their ranks. Most are out of work young men staying with mom. Sad, but true. Now, someone here will point out the one handsome lawyer or doctor in the whole US that belongs to that group thinking that proves me wrong. Problem is; there is only one.

There it is, the pol. Agenda. Again why is it allowed?

[Bill14564]

It has been proven by studies for years and years now that many needy people who did not get into the group they sought while growing up, such as having lunch at the "in crowd" middle school table, or made the football team, cheer leading team, good grades, etc., later in life subliminally create their own "in crowd" group, therefore giving them the feeling of belonging to something special that you don't. Hence the idiotic QAnon groups and such. This is why, video tapes, cold hard facts, and such have no effect on them. They "need" to believe Hillary drinks baby's blood and tracking devices in the vaccines, etc. to finally belong to the special "all knowing in crowd group" and you will never never ever change their minds. They always resort to conspiracy and lies and that makes them feel protected and special. This is why there are few Harvard MBAs, handsome people, doctors, lawyers, pretty women, etc. in their ranks. Most are out of work young men staying with mom. Sad, but true. Now, someone here will point out the one handsome lawyer or doctor in the whole US that belongs to that group thinking that proves me wrong. Problem is; there is only one.

There it is, the pol. Agenda. Again why is it allowed?

What part of this is political? It answers the post it replied to and doesn't mention politics at all.

[Topspinmo]

I sort of knew that these people were strange sorts......just looking at them I can tell. To be honest, I get the heebie jeebies when I see these guys in their pick me up trucks with the flags waving in the back. They LOOK like they don't have the smarts to intelligently figure anything out.

My goodness, I saw a guy with a long beard yesterday in a black pick me up truck with an American flag on one side of the back of the truck and the other side had a black flag that said "F$#K Biden and the Ho". That gave me the CREEPS!!!! These are the people that are fueling the pandemic by refusing the vaccines. They are not very sharp.

I thought there was no political statement allowed on this forum? Taking about all spectrum’s. profiling, jumping to conclusions, and my way or highway. I sure you didn’t see anything wrong with guy in his golf cart with nasty vulgar signs on it. Right.

[Topspinmo]

What part of this is political? It answers the post it replied to and doesn't mention politics at all.

You’re opinion. If fits the agenda.

[butlerperkins@gmail.com]

2021 0807 Sat 😷 17:30
Thank you recognizing the significance of full FDA authorization. As one of millions who has yet to get any shots, yet one who gets a flu shot every year, I wait. Still, I wait. I wait and cross my fingers that I will not become ill. :-‘

[graciegirl]

Nothing in your comment is pertinent to the subject, or to anything I have posted.

Neither is this, but I thought it was such a great graphic and I was putting it on the thread talking about the percentage of people vaccinated in the Villages and Poof, the thread disappeared.

I can't attest to the validity, but this suggests that Sumter County has more than 70% of residents vaccinated. I think that is really good news.

Lookee here;

Sumter County, FL COVID-19 Vaccine Tracker | theadvertiser.com (https://data.theadvertiser.com/covid-19-vaccine-tracker/florida/sumter-county/12119/)

[coffeebean]

Neither is this, but I thought it was such a great graphic and I was putting it on the thread talking about the percentage of people vaccinated in the Villages and Poof, the thread disappeared.

I can't attest to the validity, but this suggests that Sumter County has more than 70% of residents vaccinated. I think that is really good news.

Lookee here;

Sumter County, FL COVID-19 Vaccine Tracker | theadvertiser.com (https://data.theadvertiser.com/covid-19-vaccine-tracker/florida/sumter-county/12119/)

Gracie.....I just came back on this site to see if there were any replies to my thread and see it isn't' anywhere. I checked all the different forums to see if it was moved but I should have known better because I always get an email when the moderator moves one of my threads to another forum.

What happened? Why did my thread get deleted so quickly? What was said? All I wanted to know is if anyone has an accurate percentage of Villagers who are fully vaccinated. I'm very dismayed that a thread like that is gone so quickly. That information should be readily available to everyone who lives here.

Thanks for posting the map and percentages. I still can't really figure out what percentage we are in The Villages by the map but it does look like it may be in the higher range but still not sure.

[stanley]

Gracie.....I just came back on this site to see if there were any replies to my thread and see it isn't' anywhere. I checked all the different forums to see if it was moved but I should have known better because I always get an email when the moderator moves one of my threads to another forum.

What happened? Why did my thread get deleted so quickly? What was said? All I wanted to know is if anyone has an accurate percentage of Villagers who are fully vaccinated. I'm very dismayed that a thread like that is gone so quickly. That information should be readily available to everyone who lives here.

Thanks for posting the map and percentages. I still can't really figure out what percentage we are in The Villages by the map but it does look like it may be in the higher range but still not sure.

Your post's get deleted because of their redundancy.

[coffeebean]

Your post's get deleted because of their redundancy.

I'm referring to a thread, not a post that I made. I have no doubt many of my posts have been deleted but not threads that I start.

The subject matter of the thread I'm referring to was not discussed at all before; not that I saw anyway. So, I'm a bit confused as to why it was removed. How did it go south so fast?

[JMintzer]

It has been proven by studies for years and years now that many needy people who did not get into the group they sought while growing up, such as having lunch at the "in crowd" middle school table, or made the football team, cheer leading team, good grades, etc., later in life subliminally create their own "in crowd" group, therefore giving them the feeling of belonging to something special that you don't. Hence the idiotic QAnon groups and such. This is why, video tapes, cold hard facts, and such have no effect on them. They "need" to believe Hillary drinks baby's blood and tracking devices in the vaccines, etc. to finally belong to the special "all knowing in crowd group" and you will never never ever change their minds. They always resort to conspiracy and lies and that makes them feel protected and special. This is why there are few Harvard MBAs, handsome people, doctors, lawyers, pretty women, etc. in their ranks. Most are out of work young men staying with mom. Sad, but true. Now, someone here will point out the one handsome lawyer or doctor in the whole US that belongs to that group thinking that proves me wrong. Problem is; there is only one.

Please be more specific about "that group"...

Your analogies, not withstanding, your posts make little sense...

[JMintzer]

I received the Polio vaccine via a sugar cube. Did I get ripped off? Or, did you?:1rotfl:

They were trying to give you "the Diabeetus"!

[JMintzer]

He is responding to conditions as the figures arrive. I think one thing that IS different is that many, many, many, many more people are getting tested for Covid. Everytime I see the lines for this, I wonder why the lines are not that long for the shots.

Lots of people are getting Covid and not so many people are dying from it, because they are younger. The older you are the worse it is for you to get sick with this bug.

It just seems so frustrating to me, that the vaccine is there, certainly not without risk, but the risk of being inoculated is far less than getting the damn Delta mutation.

So all the data changed in three weeks? Not bloody likely...

[JMintzer]

I sort of knew that these people were strange sorts......just looking at them I can tell. To be honest, I get the heebie jeebies when I see these guys in their pick me up trucks with the flags waving in the back. They LOOK like they don't have the smarts to intelligently figure anything out.

My goodness, I saw a guy with a long beard yesterday in a black pick me up truck with an American flag on one side of the back of the truck and the other side had a black flag that said "F$#K Biden and the Ho". That gave me the CREEPS!!!! These are the people that are fueling the pandemic by refusing the vaccines. They are not very sharp.

"These people"... SMDH...

[JMintzer]

Convince the parents of a 2yo that was airlifted today with Covid. Not the first child, won’t be the last. Dear friend lost their 5 year old to Covid, both parents physicians, everything they studied for couldn’t save their child

Ahhh... The emotional heartstrings argument...

[JMintzer]

I wouldn't know a Qanon if I fell over one. It is wrong somehow to dislike people because they have low I.Q. Half of the world is below average and half is above average. The smart folks that make it to Jeopardy, don't have very good sartorial skills and not many hold impressive jobs. I am a card carrying R and I like Dr. Fauci. I don't like Ron Paul or AOC or Sarah Palin or Hillary. It is hard to pigeon hole folks. We are all pretty complicated and most of us are nice.

Who mentioned Qanon?

[JMintzer]

Oh please! Of course there is the stereotype. If the shoe fits.There is no way in hell these folks are vaccinated as a generalization and you know it......

The American flag will never bother me. The way our flag was displayed along with the other flag, however, DID bother me.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/21/Carnac.jpg/300px-Carnac.jpg

[JMintzer]

Gracie.....believe me. If you saw that fellow in the pick me up truck that I saw the other day, you would KNOW what they look like. Take a look at all those who stormed the Capitol. That will give you an idea. You know.....that guy with the horns on his head? That is what I'm talking about.

That guy was the farthest thing from the people you "described" as possible...

C'mon, tell us what you really think they were...

[JMintzer]

Thought about this more.......... probably UN-VAXXED! I would bet money on that. That is my point.

Judgemental much?

[stanley]

I'm referring to a thread, not a post that I made. I have no doubt many of my posts have been deleted but not threads that I start.

The subject matter of the thread I'm referring to was not discussed at all before; not that I saw anyway. So, I'm a bit confused as to why it was removed. How did it go south so fast?


I know exactly what you were referring to because I posted in that thread
Your "threads", and there have been a few, get deleted for redundancy. The info you were looking for is readily, and easily available and there was no reason to start another "thread" asking for it.

[drducat]

I'm referring to a thread, not a post that I made. I have no doubt many of my posts have been deleted but not threads that I start.

The subject matter of the thread I'm referring to was not discussed at all before; not that I saw anyway. So, I'm a bit confused as to why it was removed. How did it go south so fast?

Someone is trying to protect you.

During the Nuremberg Trials, even the media was prosecuted and put to death for lying to the public.:MOJE_whot:

[fishon]

Uh-oh.
People are becoming less afraid.

Release The Murder Hornets!

[Ritagoyer]

Moderna is finalizing data on several booster shots for Covid 19 and urges elderly populations such as The Villages to get a booster shot to avoid respiratory complications. The efficacy of the first two shots diminishes after 6 to 9 months. We got our second shot in March 2021 so about November we will sign up for the booster. Moderna is a vaccine company that developed a vaccine against Covid 19 last year under Operation Warp Speed.
They are saying that if you have gotten COVID and recovered, and have had both of your shots you are better protected then by just getting the shots

[JMintzer]

Uh-oh.
People are becoming less afraid.

Release The Murder Hornets!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXRT_V4WsAQeZ6b.jpg

[MDLNB]

they are saying that if you have gotten covid and recovered, and have had both of your shots you are better protected then by just getting the shots
"they say"

[coffeebean]

Who mentioned Qanon?

It has been proven by studies for years and years now that many needy people who did not get into the group they sought while growing up, such as having lunch at the "in crowd" middle school table, or made the football team, cheer leading team, good grades, etc., later in life subliminally create their own "in crowd" group, therefore giving them the feeling of belonging to something special that you don't. Hence the idiotic QAnon groups and such. This is why, video tapes, cold hard facts, and such have no effect on them. They "need" to believe Hillary drinks baby's blood and tracking devices in the vaccines, etc. to finally belong to the special "all knowing in crowd group" and you will never never ever change their minds. They always resort to conspiracy and lies and that makes them feel protected and special. This is why there are few Harvard MBAs, handsome people, doctors, lawyers, pretty women, etc. in their ranks. Most are out of work young men staying with mom. Sad, but true. Now, someone here will point out the one handsome lawyer or doctor in the whole US that belongs to that group thinking that proves me wrong. Problem is; there is only one.
You're not paying attention.

[coffeebean]

Judgemental much?

Yes, and I'm not afraid to admit that. I'm flawed. What can I tell ya?

[John41]

Dr Fauci hopes the FDA will give full approval to the Covid 19 vaccines within a few weeks. This might reduce vaccine hesitancy. There are valid reasons for vaccine hesitancy based on history, but most of those problems were caught early and the Covid vaccines have been in testing and rollout now for about 8 months.The world has a long way to go before this virus is controlled especially if Covid 19 is a result of gain of function research. And China isn’t cooperating.

Fully vaccinated percentage
World…..15%
USA……. 49%
Sweden.50%
Israel….. 73%

Israel is already giving booster shots to its seniors. The Delta variant is surging there even though 73% are fully vaccinated. The Pfizer vaccine is only 39% effective there against the Delta variant.
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Israelis are rushing to get a third vaccine shot as protection from the surging delta variant of the coronavirus. Over 420,000 Israelis older than 60 have received a booster shot, more than a third of the total targeted population. Israel is seeing a rising number of hospitalizations.

[MDLNB]

Ok just throwing this out for those that are still in panic mode over the vaccination.
IF and I say IF 50% of our country has been vaccinated:
35% of our country are children under 16yo from what I have read (true or not true). Not approved yet, so there is nothing you can do about it.
That leaves 15% not vaccinated that might or could be vaccinated.
How many of those have already been infected by COVID? If already survived COVID then there is no real need to get vaccinated yet.
Also, there are those that were told by their doc not to get vaccinated for medical reasons (like pregnant?)
There are exceptions and limits to the vaccine so some are still going to get infected.
So, get off your high horse and relax. We are doing good in this country.

[NoMoSno]

Accurate vaccination data as of 8/8
CDC COVID Data Tracker (https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-total-admin-rate-total)

[biker1]

No, it is about 18%. There is this thing called Google ...

Ok just throwing this out for those that are still in panic mode over the vaccination.
IF and I say IF 50% of our country has been vaccinated:
35% of our country are children under 12yo from what I have read (true or not true). Not approved yet, so there is nothing you can do about it.
That leaves 15% not vaccinated that might or could be vaccinated.
How many of those have already been infected by COVID? If already survived COVID then there is no real need to get vaccinated yet.
Also, there are those that were told by their doc not to get vaccinated for medical reasons (like pregnant?)
There are exceptions and limits to the vaccine so some are still going to get infected.
So, get off your high horse and relax. We are doing good in this country.

[Bill14564]

Ok just throwing this out for those that are still in panic mode over the vaccination.
IF and I say IF 50% of our country has been vaccinated:
35% of our country are children under 12yo from what I have read (true or not true). Not approved yet, so there is nothing you can do about it.
That leaves 15% not vaccinated that might or could be vaccinated.
How many of those have already been infected by COVID? If already survived COVID then there is no real need to get vaccinated yet.
Also, there are those that were told by their doc not to get vaccinated for medical reasons (like pregnant?)
There are exceptions and limits to the vaccine so some are still going to get infected.
So, get off your high horse and relax. We are doing good in this country.

You have GOT to be making some sick joke! 100,000+ new cases and hospitalizations through the roof and you think that is doing good? What would be doing great, 200,000 cases?

[capecoralbill]

So anyone in a pickup displaying an American flag and a political flag you don't like, MUST be unvaccinated and be a Qanon supporter?...OK got it...

Obviously yes. It is a cult, don't you get it?

[fishon]

The covid cult and the climate cult are the same weak folks.

[JMintzer]

You're not paying attention.

Nah, I stopped reading his posts... Not worth my time...

[JMintzer]

You have GOT to be making some sick joke! 100,000+ new cases and hospitalizations through the roof and you think that is doing good? What would be doing great, 200,000 cases?

Covid hospitalizations are not "through the roof"...

[coffeebean]

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[Bill14564]

Covid hospitalizations are not "through the roof"...

Have any stats on that?

The U.S. is heading back towards the January peak and Florida has more than any other time during the pandemic.

[JMintzer]

Have any stats on that?

The U.S. is heading back towards the January peak and Florida has more than any other time during the pandemic.

Most certainly...

COVID-19 Hospitalizations (https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/covid19_3.html)

We are no where NEAR the January peak...

[Bill14564]

Most certainly...

COVID-19 Hospitalizations (https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/covid19_3.html)

We are no where NEAR the January peak...

No where near the peak IN THOSE 14 STATES. Which, by the way, do not include Florida.

Try the CDC or WaPo pages which show all states including this one.

[JMintzer]

No where near the peak IN THOSE 14 STATES. Which, by the way, do not include Florida.

Try the CDC or WaPo pages which show all states including this one.

State of Florida Data | FAU Business (https://business.fau.edu/covidtracker/data/florida-data/)

I trust the WaPo as far as I can throw them... I've lived in the DC area my entire life and I watched as a once great newspaper disintegrated into a partisan tabloid...

And I'm finding numbers (form various news sources) from 5,000-15,000 people hospitalized... The CDC has nothing I can find...

Which is correct? I dunno'

[Hoosierb4]

State of Florida Data | FAU Business (https://business.fau.edu/covidtracker/data/florida-data/)

I trust the WaPo as far as I can throw them... I've lived in the DC area my entire life and I watched as a once great newspaper disintegrated into a partisan tabloid...

And I'm finding numbers (form various news sources) from 5,000-15,000 people hospitalized... The CDC has nothing I can find...

Which is correct? I dunno'

Check it out here: Florida Coronavirus Map and Case Count - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/florida-covid-cases.html)

[JMintzer]

Check it out here: Florida Coronavirus Map and Case Count - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/florida-covid-cases.html)

It's behind a pay wall... No can do...

But the Times is worse than the WaPo...

[Lindsyburnsy]

What lies? Needing a booster is not suspicious. We get flu shots that don’t always work but we get them anyway to increase our chances of staying healthy. This is no different except this virus is a lot more lethal. In all my 70 years I have never seen such nonsense about flu vaccines. QUOTE=birdawg;1984164]I’m done tired of the lies. No more shots for us[/QUOTE]

[MDLNB]

Have any stats on that?

The U.S. is heading back towards the January peak and Florida has more than any other time during the pandemic.


Ah, but how many deaths? Big difference.

[Bill14564]

Ah, but how many deaths? Big difference.

Deaths are working out to be about 1.5% of cases with a 3 week lag. Very similar to the surges in the past. If the trend holds there will be over 600 per day by this Friday and over 1,000 per day by next Friday.

[JMintzer]

I just had bloodwork this morning (for a routing Dr's appointment on Wednesday). I asked them to also run a Covid antibody test to see if I still have antibodies from my "bout" with covid 18 months ago...

[MDLNB]

Deaths are working out to be about 1.5% of cases with a 3 week lag. Very similar to the surges in the past. If the trend holds there will be over 600 per day by this Friday and over 1,000 per day by next Friday.


Not too many folks consider one week as qualifying as a trend. Get back to us when you can prove that we are at the Jan level and I might be concerned.

[Bill14564]

Not too many folks consider one week as qualifying as a trend. Get back to us when you can prove that we are at the Jan level and I might be concerned.

We've already covered this, I don't care if you are concerned. In fact, I'm pretty sure you will continue to deny reality and never be concerned. My interest is in providing balance to the "facts" that you make up.

This is not a one week trend. The correlation between Covid deaths and cases in the US can be seen in graphs available from several sources and has been evident since early 2020. The latest increase in cases began close to July 4 and the latest increase in deaths began three weeks later around July 25.

Cases increased from July 4 to July 18 and deaths increase from July 25 to today. Cases have continued to increase from July 18 to today and, if the trend continues, we have at least three more weeks of increasing daily death numbers.

[John41]

Not too many folks consider one week as qualifying as a trend. Get back to us when you can prove that we are at the Jan level and I might be concerned.

We have not returned to peak hospitalization rates in the US according to the most recent CDC statistics.

Jan 09 2021….70 hospitalizations per 100 thousand
Jun 26 2021…..3
Jul 24 2021…….8

There has been a slight increase since the minimum on Jun 26, 2021, but not near the January maximum.

A new variant Delta+ is now spreading and might require the booster vaccination.

[Bill14564]

We have not returned to peak hospitalization rates in the US according to the most recent CDC statistics.

Jan 09 2021….70 hospitalizations per 100 thousand
Jun 26 2021…..3
Jul 24 2021…….8

There has been a slight increase since the minimum on Jun 26, 2021, but not near the January maximum.

A new variant Delta+ is now spreading and might require the booster vaccination.

Do you have a link for your most recent CDC statistics?

I do: CDC Covid Tracker (https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#hospitalizations) and it shows:

hospitalized patients 1/11/21: 123, 865
hospitalized patients 6/26/21: 12,100
hospitalized patients 8/3/21: 45, 237 (more than 1/3 the January peak and climbing)
And that was almost a week ago:
hospitalized patients 8/9/21: ?? (I expect this to be in the 66,000 range)


We're not at the January levels nationally but we're on the path to getting there.
Florida is exceptionally high and has already exceeded its all-time peak from last July.

[MDLNB]

Do you have a link for your most recent CDC statistics?

I do: CDC Covid Tracker (https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#hospitalizations) and it shows:

hospitalized patients 1/11/21: 123, 865
hospitalized patients 6/26/21: 12,100
hospitalized patients 8/3/21: 45, 237 (more than 1/3 the January peak and climbing)
And that was almost a week ago:
hospitalized patients 8/9/21: ?? (I expect this to be in the 66,000 range)


We're not at the January levels nationally but we're on the path to getting there.
Florida is exceptionally high and has already exceeded its all-time peak from last July.


You keep harping on "hospitalizations" but neglect to mention how many deaths. I don't care(well hardly care) if half the country goes to the hospital if they aren't dying. Some folks need to calm down. Panic when you find out that your vaccination is not working, or you grow horns due to the vaccination. I find it interesting that so many that dis' others for not getting the vaccination are so scared of catching the very illness that the shots are supposed to protect you from. Sounds like some do not have any faith in science and just want everyone else to be in the same boat as they are in case of the ship sinking.

[jimjamuser]

The covid cult and the climate cult are the same weak folks.
It is pretty hard to call global warming a "cult" when scientists have been measuring and tracking ocean rise and glacier melting for years and years. There are pictures of glaciers taken at 10-year intervals showing the glacier DISAPPEARING. And CV can HARDLY be a "cult" when the US has 616,000 DEATHS due to CV. We have seen some dying before our eyes on TV - those are NOT actors - don't be ridiculous! I would hate to try to tell the relatives of the CV DEAD that they are just a lying cult. They would punch me and I would deserve it! It is ALL been right in front of our eyes right on TV for a year and 1/2. And ALL the scientists are NOT lying to us. And 98% of all Doctors in the US have been CV vaccinated - are THEY part of some "cult"?

[jimjamuser]

This sounds like the same marketing pitch Pfizer made within the last two months.

It will be interesting to see the studies that show not only that the antibodies are falling off but the level of antibodies needed to still be protected. There may be fewer antibodies today than nine months ago but if the level is still far above what is needed for protection against the virus then getting a booster is just putting money into the manufacturer's pocket.
That would be ASSUMING that Moderna is CAPABLE of fooling and conning ALL the scientists working for the government and for Universities - not to mention media investigators. That would be a lot of wool pulled over a lot of eyes!

[jimjamuser]

What/Why is the US FDA taking so long to make a ruling for the first Vax's?
Vax's are classified as "Experimental", yet Millions have been given., (World wide).
I personally know persons that are waiting to get an "Approved" drug b/4 getting Vax'd.
Seems like the US FDA is just another bloated, overpaid, Gov't agency, (IMO)
p.s. We got Vax'd in later Jan, with the "Experimental" drug, no issues so far.
Maybe, will consider a "Booster", if have factual details that it is needed and approved.
I have explained this 2 times before......but the medical forensic experts observe and scrutinize the manufacturing factory lines for the ULTIMATE in quality control for the benefit of the PUBLIC. The process is hard to hurry! They have been working overtime!

[JMintzer]

It is pretty hard to call global warming a "cult" when scientists have been measuring and tracking ocean rise and glacier melting for years and years. There are pictures of glaciers taken at 10-year intervals showing the glacier DISAPPEARING. And CV can HARDLY be a "cult" when the US has 616,000 DEATHS due to CV. We have seen some dying before our eyes on TV - those are NOT actors - don't be ridiculous! I would hate to try to tell the relatives of the CV DEAD that they are just a lying cult. They would punch me and I would deserve it! It is ALL been right in front of our eyes right on TV for a year and 1/2. And ALL the scientists are NOT lying to us. And 98% of all Doctors in the US have been CV vaccinated - are THEY part of some "cult"?

You keep repeating that 98% number, when the real number is 97% based on a poll of 301 doctors...

You really wanna' hang your hat on that?

North America was once completely covered by a glacier. What caused it to recede, leaving the most fertile farmland in the world?

Was it "man made global warming"? If not, what did it? Was that global warming a bad thing?

[JMintzer]

That would be ASSUMING that Moderna is CAPABLE of fooling and conning ALL the scientists working for the government and for Universities - not to mention media investigators. That would be a lot of wool pulled over a lot of eyes!

I had a routine blood test this morning (for an upcoming Dr's visit). I asked them to add in a covid antibody level test...

I'll report the results when I receive them...

[Topspinmo]

It is pretty hard to call global warming a "cult" when scientists have been measuring and tracking ocean rise and glacier melting for years and years. There are pictures of glaciers taken at 10-year intervals showing the glacier DISAPPEARING. And CV can HARDLY be a "cult" when the US has 616,000 DEATHS due to CV. We have seen some dying before our eyes on TV - those are NOT actors - don't be ridiculous! I would hate to try to tell the relatives of the CV DEAD that they are just a lying cult. They would punch me and I would deserve it! It is ALL been right in front of our eyes right on TV for a year and 1/2. And ALL the scientists are NOT lying to us. And 98% of all Doctors in the US have been CV vaccinated - are THEY part of some "cult"?]

So, look at chart, nowhere close to high mean time temperature of pass.

Glad You Asked: Ice Ages – What are they and what causes them? – Utah Geological Survey (https://geology.utah.gov/map-pub/survey-notes/glad-you-asked/ice-ages-what-are-they-and-what-causes-them/)

[Bay Kid]

Who do you trust, believe?

[John41]

Who do you trust, believe?

CDC error causes false spike in Florida Covid cases by combining three days data into one.

[drducat]

CDC error causes false spike in Florida Covid cases by combining three days data into one.

Watch please......

mt vernon school board meeting - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wIFAoTVc7M&t=114s)

:clap2: :0000000000luvmyhors

[MDLNB]

I have no intention at this point of getting a booster shot. Don't like it then stay away or have some faith in your own vaccination.

[Bill14564]

CDC error causes false spike in Florida Covid cases by combining three days data into one.

I suspect Florida reported the data and the CD C didn't spread it out to lessen the impact.

[John41]

Watch please......

mt vernon school board meeting - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wIFAoTVc7M&t=114s)

:clap2: :0000000000luvmyhors

Interesting video. I don’t trust the CDC to be objective and the media has censored alternate opinions being discussed which is the foundation of science. The virus will probably burn itself out in a few years.

[eremite06]

With today's political climate, I don't trust ANY government agency.

[coffeebean]

Watch please......

mt vernon school board meeting - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wIFAoTVc7M&t=114s)

:clap2: :0000000000luvmyhors

This is the video I BEGAN watching until this boob made the comment about the virus small enough to go through all masks. Stopped it right there.

[Bill14564]

Interesting video. I don’t trust the CDC to be objective and the media has censored alternate opinions being discussed which is the foundation of science. The virus will probably burn itself out in a few years.

And with only 500 or so people dying every day because they refused to get the shot, what's another 180,000 or so each year? Though honestly, we'll run out of unvaccinated before then - a little thinning of the herd.

[John41]

And with only 500 or so people dying every day because they refused to get the shot, what's another 180,000 or so each year? Though honestly, we'll run out of unvaccinated before then - a little thinning of the herd.

78% of those who die from Covid are obese. The fat genes are being removed from the human population per natural selection according to Darwin. Maybe the stupid genes too although I think most of Congress is vaccinated. You can’t fool Mother Nature.

[drducat]

This is the video I BEGAN watching until this boob made the comment about the virus small enough to go through all masks. Stopped it right there.
:oops:
Well your mistake not his...:oops:


Your missing out if you don't listen...its your life.

[fishon]

Your comment is probably true.
The frightened likely have many health issues.
They should protect themselves if they can.
I’ll live my life.

[drducat]

:oops:
Well your mistake not his...:oops:


Your missing out if you don't listen...its your life.

Fauci is pivoting off vaccines onto antivirals which are in development and has no idea if they will work.....Fauci is lost right now.......Vaccines are not going to work.....:ohdear:

[John41]

This is the video I BEGAN watching until this boob made the comment about the virus small enough to go through all masks. Stopped it right there.

Maybe not all masks but here’s the latest mask guidance and the ordinary cloth mask as Fauci said last year is not very effective because the virus can pass through it except for sneezes or cough droplets. We are thinking of K95 just in case.
—————————————-
August 8, 2021
Michael Osterholm, director for the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, told CNN this week that people should upgrade from their cloth masks and bandanas to more heavy-duty masks — like N95s and K-N95s.

“We need to talk about better masking. We need to talk about N-95 respirators, which would do a lot for both people who are not yet vaccinated or not previously infected,” Osterholm told CNN. “Protecting them as well as keeping others who might become infected having been vaccinated from breathing out the virus.”
Osterholm said he has had issues with how masking has gone in the United States because people have not taken the best masks — like N95s — as seriously as cloth masks, according to The Hill.

[gdennis317]

How does one accelerate the process to fully approve the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine? It take time not speed...........:faint:

Reports seem to think that final FDA Full Approval is only weeks away. The wheels on the bus go round and round, but not very quickly😉

[drducat]

Reports seem to think that final FDA Full Approval is only weeks away. The wheels on the bus go round and round, but not very quickly😉

Looks like it doesn't matter if approved or not....ineffective the fauci is going off vaciines onto antivirals which don't work but he has some brewing in the lab and yes they are also patented.

[ThirdOfFive]

Maybe not all masks but here’s the latest mask guidance and the ordinary cloth mask as Fauci said last year is not very effective because the virus can pass through it except for sneezes or cough droplets. We are thinking of K95 just in case.
—————————————-
August 8, 2021
Michael Osterholm, director for the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, told CNN this week that people should upgrade from their cloth masks and bandanas to more heavy-duty masks — like N95s and K-N95s.

“We need to talk about better masking. We need to talk about N-95 respirators, which would do a lot for both people who are not yet vaccinated or not previously infected,” Osterholm told CNN. “Protecting them as well as keeping others who might become infected having been vaccinated from breathing out the virus.”
Osterholm said he has had issues with how masking has gone in the United States because people have not taken the best masks — like N95s — as seriously as cloth masks, according to The Hill.
Osterholm is the same guy who predicted 75,000 dead in Minnesota by I believe the end of 2020, as well as overflowing hospitals with people banging the doors begging for admission.

He was off by a factor of ten on his body count, and 21 hospitals and clinics in the Minneapolis - St. Paul metro alone had to close because of low usage.

[SkBlogW]

78% of those who die from Covid are obese. The fat genes are being removed from the human population per natural selection according to Darwin. Maybe the stupid genes too although I think most of Congress is vaccinated. You can’t fool Mother Nature.

Brilliant and funny at the same time.

[coffeebean]

:oops:
Well your mistake not his...:oops:


Your missing out if you don't listen...its your life.

Not my mistake at all. Tell your tale to the rest of the world health organizations who have advocated Universal masking for source control and still continue to do so. The world vs your boob doctor. No debate there.

[coffeebean]

Maybe not all masks but here’s the latest mask guidance and the ordinary cloth mask as Fauci said last year is not very effective because the virus can pass through it except for sneezes or cough droplets. We are thinking of K95 just in case.
—————————————-
August 8, 2021
Michael Osterholm, director for the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, told CNN this week that people should upgrade from their cloth masks and bandanas to more heavy-duty masks — like N95s and K-N95s.

“We need to talk about better masking. We need to talk about N-95 respirators, which would do a lot for both people who are not yet vaccinated or not previously infected,” Osterholm told CNN. “Protecting them as well as keeping others who might become infected having been vaccinated from breathing out the virus.”
Osterholm said he has had issues with how masking has gone in the United States because people have not taken the best masks — like N95s — as seriously as cloth masks, according to The Hill.

I've seen videos using infra red cameras of respiratory aerosols and the containment that a cloth or disposable mask offers. They are not perfect by any means but they contain thousands of those minuscule virus particles that are trapped in the aerosols. Thousands of those virus particles are trapped in the masks are better than none.

Cloth and those disposable masks are not designed for protection. We were always told they are not protective and if anyone does not know that by now, they have not been listening. Those masks are designed for source control and for those masks to be effective, everyone wears a mask. Your mask protects me and my mask protects you. THAT is why masks should be mandated in schools for children who can not be vaccinated yet. There should be absolutely no debate about that.

[John41]

I've seen videos using infra red cameras of respiratory aerosols and the containment that a cloth or disposable mask offers. They are not perfect by any means but they contain thousands of those minuscule virus particles that are trapped in the aerosols. Thousands of those virus particles are trapped in the masks are better than none.

Cloth and those disposable masks are not designed for protection. We were always told they are not protective and if anyone does not know that by now, they have not been listening. Those masks are designed for source control and for those masks to be effective, everyone wears a mask. Your mask protects me and my mask protects you. THAT is why masks should be mandated in schools for children who can not be vaccinated yet. There should be absolutely no debate about that.

I agree but I am more interested in protecting myself from those who don’t wear masks. As you said you got vaccinated to protect yourself mainly. K95 masks are available now on Amazon reasonably priced so I am going to order some as a precaution for the future.

I know you were concerned about unvaxxed being Qanon hillbillies and I tend to agree but what do you think about the new video from the administration to convince them to get vaccinated? It shows a guy in a skirt with long fingernails, fluffy hair prancing around the WH talking with Jen in a girlie voice. Do you think it will convince the hillbillies to get vaccinated?

[coffeebean]

I agree but I am more interesting in protecting myself from those who don’t wear masks. As you said you got vaccinated to protect yourself mainly. K95 masks are available now on Amazon reasonably priced so I am going to order some as a precaution for the future.

I know you were concerned about unvaxxed being Qanon hillbillies and I tend to agree but what do you think about the new video from the administration to convince them to get vaccinated? It shows a guy in a skirt with long fingernails, fluffy hair prancing around the WH talking with Jen in a girlie voice. Do you think it will convince the hillbillies to get vaccinated?

rotflmao!!!

[Bill14564]

Fauci is pivoting off vaccines onto antivirals which are in development and has no idea if they will work.....Fauci is lost right now.......Vaccines are not going to work.....:ohdear:

While all evidence shows the vaccines are working , we get this.

[stanley]

Bill14564 says.......
"They say you can't fix stupid - I'm done trying.
I am not trying to convince you, I am trying to provide real, verifiable data for any who care to see it."

Calling someone "stupid" is pretty much against the "rules"

When all else fails I guess

[John41]

Fauci is pivoting off vaccines onto antivirals which are in development and has no idea if they will work.....Fauci is lost right now.......Vaccines are not going to work.....:ohdear:

Vaccines do work as proven in clinical trials. But they are not the panacea once thought.