Is Obama now playing the "hey I am a christian" card?

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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/salvation-through-the-grace-of-god-obama-explains-his-faith/

It may be coincidence but given his past (yes we all have one!!), and that he is a platinum plated full blooded politician that will by his own words "do what ever it takes" to get elected.

After 18 months all of a sudden now we hear all this rhetoric about HIS Christianity, GOD and anything related?

I remain skeptical of his political priorities that are for his benefit and his alone.

You would think there were elections coming soon. He is in campaign mode (as always).

btk

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He says he came to Christianity late in life... yeh, about a month ago... when he sees that he is even losing his democratic supporters. But some people will still believe his rhetoric. He'll do anything, say anything, promise anything to increase his poll numbers!

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He says he came to Christianity late in life... yeh, about a month ago... when he sees that he is even losing his democratic supporters. But some people will still believe his rhetoric. He'll do anything, say anything, promise anything to increase his poll numbers!

won't do the same? Perhaps his stressing his Christianity is a response to right wing lies and rumor mongering about his religious views? You obviously fall into that category. Now you can come back with the standard TOTV response about liberal apologists, blah blah.

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won't do the same? Perhaps his stressing his Christianity is a response to right wing lies and rumor mongering about his religious views? You obviously fall into that category. Now you can come back with the standard TOTV response about liberal apologists, blah blah.


Perhaps you are correct. I find it difficult to discuss anyone's religion since it is a personal issue, HOWEVER, having read very very much about our President and his past...I am a bit leery when he gets into this arena (Religion)...

Before he was the nominee in 2008 in the discussion of WHY he joined Rev Wright's church, it was pretty much agreed by all that it was a political move, perhaps not entirely but it was political....This from US NEWS AND WORLD REPORT...."Obama also saw firsthand the central role that African-American churches played in the black community, providing solace, pride, and the motivation to persevere against adversity. He got to know Wright, the bombastic and charismatic pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ—whose angry sermons, widely perceived as anti-American and antiwhite, got Obama's presidential campaign into deep trouble a few weeks ago.

Political base. But there was personal motivation, too. Despite having little previous interest in religion, Obama joined Wright's growing church in part to deepen what one friend called "a whole web of relationships" in the community that gave him a strong political base and a well-connected mentor. At one point, Wright warned Obama that the ministers and other leaders in Chicago could be parochial and cynical, which would make Obama's job of organizing much harder. Obama soon learned this in a very personal way when one minister derided him at a public meeting for being a pawn of Chicago's whites because he tried to work with the Establishment."


Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2008/04/17/obama-joined-wrights-church-political-maneuver#ixzz10vscOIua

None of this has been denied at all....and most, if not all, stories of his past will reflect this choice as mostly political.

The second thing that bothers me about his past on this particular issue that Rev Wright taught ! In ONE OF his autobiographies (page 293 of Dreams of My Father), he mentions a speech that he recalls fondly that shaped much of his thinking...the speech, so that I dont take it out of contrast talks much about the needy and the poor but has this sentence that our President endorses or did at that point..."where white folks' greed runs a world in need,...

When you add to this, the basic foundation of Rev Wrights church which captured the President so totally until it became a political liability....."The church's mission statement is based upon systematized Black liberation theology that started with the works of James Hal Cone.[25][26]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright

Well, you see a common theme or two running through his "beliefs" and that is what makes me a bit leery of what he says about religion. It seems to be based on what is political expedient and thus gives credibility to BTK's post

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ever intimated other wise.
I look at Obama and his "pattern" (my term) of response/reaction.

A very obvious act to neutralize a negative was the abandoning of Rev. Right whom he sat in front of for over 20 years.

And without listing specifics I would comment on his either retracting what he said the day before or Gibbs or some other aide coming out re-calibrate what Obama said or meant.

Some of you can beat the partisan drum all you want. My assessment is of the man/woman and it has nothing to do with their party. I was a supporter of Bill Clinton. And still am. Clinton had his genuine moments when he would say and do the right thing. And like all humans, and especially the politicians he was did not do what was right but what was good for him or his party.

In my personal opinion, Obama has yet to ever do or say anything that is genuine. It is 100% political and not even for the party. It is him first, then the party.

I spent too many years in corporate America. I am a commitment/performance based person. When letting go people (as in firing/severing) those who did not do the job or who were incapable of doing the job or tried to fake doing the job and my favorite, tried to blame someone or something for their non performance.....I never had to know what their political affiliation was to make a determination.

I still don't!!!!!

btk

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This should surprise me but alas so predictable...... How can you scream about Rev Wright and now deny his is a Christian.

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where I deny he is a Christian.

btk

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This should surprise me but alas so predictable...... How can you scream about Rev Wright and now deny his is a Christian.

PLEASE explain what in the world you are talking about ????

PS I second the post from BTK...where did anyone say what you are accusing us of ?

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This should surprise me but alas so predictable...... How can you scream about Rev Wright and now deny his is a Christian.

This reinforces this whole post... I wouldn't call somebody who preaches the hate that this Wright fellow preaches is a Christian!!!

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I specifically did not write my post in response to another. During the 2008 election quite a few of the posters here were very vocal about Obama being a member of Rev. Wright's church...Christian church. Now comments like this are being made:

After 18 months all of a sudden now we hear all this rhetoric about HIS Christianity, GOD and anything related?

He says he came to Christianity late in life... yeh, about a month ago...

How many posts were made about his going to a Muslim school when, in fact, it was a public school. How about the "Christian" Rev who recently said Obama was a Muslim because that flows from the father. Did you all forget about that?

How many times have you heard....Well he never talks about being a Christian. So now he has and this.

My point was not and is still not aimed at a single poster.

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I specifically did not write my post in response to another. During the 2008 election quite a few of the posters here were very vocal about Obama being a member of Rev. Wright's church...Christian church. Now comments like this are being made:

After 18 months all of a sudden now we hear all this rhetoric about HIS Christianity, GOD and anything related?

He says he came to Christianity late in life... yeh, about a month ago...

How many posts were made about his going to a Muslim school when, in fact, it was a public school. How about the "Christian" Rev who recently said Obama was a Muslim because that flows from the father. Did you all forget about that?

How many times have you heard....Well he never talks about being a Christian. So now he has and this.

My point was not and is still not aimed at a single poster.

COLOGAL....I think, given his track record over the years (I suggest you read his books and about his youth and earlier years in politics), I think it is legitimate to question his motives to speak on this subject AT THIS TIME.

I suppose it is admirable of you to defend him, but if you read about how he has conducted himself in this area in the past, perhaps that may blunt some of your constant never ending defense of this man.

I can not read his soul, nor will I try....BUT I can point out how this area (religion) has been USED by him during his life.

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The film clip that is being discussed, the one that shows President Obama talking about his religion is interesting to me in that it is apparently, or perhaps meant to look,extemporaneous, off the cuff. His hesitancy in answering the questions is different than his usual uninterrupted vocal cadence. If I had just met him, I would think he was very uncomfortable with the subject of religion. I would wonder if that meant, he did not have strong religious views, knew it was a political hot subject or was trying to say "the right thing", or what he hoped people would expect to hear.

Politics is a messy business, in that you must present yourself in the way the "buyer" wants a person to be.

I found it unusual that the film clip filmed him from the side too.

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any angle that promotes their perspective (not intended as a criticism...just a general fact). They may have been trying to show the angle that included the most people....as one guess.

btk

PS as an aside, in this mornings paper there was a political cartoon showing a dem image with a comment something like...."at this point I will say or do anything to not get thrown out of office"....a truism for either or any elected official.