Golf etiquette is dead

[Golfer222]

Again playing today, the guy in front of me hitting 2 balls on every tee. I politely asked him to only hit one ball as the course was getting backed up. He ignored me and continued. A few holes late I again asked him very politely. He said that the people in front of him were slow so it didn’t matter if he hit 2 or 10 ball on each hole. This is really getting out of hand. There is no more etiquette apparently. Might as well join them as you obviously cannot beat them.

[Two Bills]

Again playing today, the guy in front of me hitting 2 balls on every tee. I politely asked him to only hit one ball as the course was getting backed up. He ignored me and continued. A few holes late I again asked him very politely. He said that the people in front of him were slow so it didn’t matter if he hit 2 or 10 ball on each hole. This is really getting out of hand. There is no more etiquette apparently. Might as well join them as you obviously cannot beat them.

Was he a single?
Were you a single?
I have played behind singles who have played two balls a hole, and providing they keep up with the group in front and did not slow our progress, I honestly see no problem.
On other occasions we always offer a single to join us if we are a threesome, or a pair.

[Golfer222]

He was a single we were a twosome. He was not keeping up. We caught up to him and had to wait for him to tee off twice on each hole.

[Kelevision]

[QUOTE=Golfer222;1986475]Again playing today, the guy in front of me hitting 2 balls on every tee. I politely asked him to only hit one ball as the course was getting backed up. He ignored me and continued. A few holes late I again asked him very politely. He said that the people in front of him were slow so it didn’t matter if he hit 2 or 10 ball on each hole. This is really getting out of hand. There is no more etiquette apparently. Might as well join them as you obviously cannot beat them.[/QUOTE

Was he solo or with a group of how many? Who was in front of him and how many? Were you solo or with a group Of how many? If he was solo and there was a group of at least 2 in front of him then he is correct. As long as he’s keeping up with the pace of play. They have ambassadors to monitor this? Were they not around?

[Bay Kid]

Should of asked to play thru.

[Two Bills]

Could have invited him to join you.

[dewilson58]

He was a single we were a twosome. He was not keeping up. We caught up to him and had to wait for him to tee off twice on each hole.

Not the rule in TV.
Most places, keep pace with the peeps in front of you.
TV is the damn time sheet.
:ohdear:

[Kelevision]

Not the rule in TV.
Most places, keep pace with the peeps in front of you.
TV is the damn time sheet.
:ohdear:

Weird, i just took the villages new to golf school and they clearly say keep up with the group in front of you. They stressed that many many times during the classes. I was told the ambassadors will keep a close eye on that and will hurry you along if you’re not keeping up. That’s where I learned the term pace of play?? This is very disappointing to hear.

[dewilson58]

Weird, i just took the villages new to golf school and they clearly say keep up with the group in front of you. They stressed that many many times during the classes. I was told the ambassadors will keep a close eye on that and will hurry you along if you’re not keeping up. That’s where I learned the term pace of play?? This is very disappointing to hear.

It's a difficult adjustment.
There can be two holes open, but if the groups fits within the charted time......all is good.
Even if a group falls behind, the Amb's have no teeth.
Jus sit back and enjoy your four hour round.

[Golfer222]

Common sense to me. One person, one ball. Plenty of practice ranges around. The “entitled” are taking over. It is their right to play as many balls as they feel like. Say something and you are the bad guy.

[retiredguy123]

Common sense to me. One person, one ball. Plenty of practice ranges around. The “entitled” are taking over. It is their right to play as many balls as they feel like. Say something and you are the bad guy.
It's not just common sense and bad etiquette, it is a violation of USGA rules and The Villages rules:

https://www.golfthevillages.com/whatsnew/TheVillagesOfficialRulesSheet2019NoFreeDropArea.pd f

I would have asked an ambassador to tell him to stop playing two balls.

[billethkid]

Isolated cases (what ever the number) should not be used as a general condition to label most golfers in TV.

[golfing eagles]

Again playing today, the guy in front of me hitting 2 balls on every tee. I politely asked him to only hit one ball as the course was getting backed up. He ignored me and continued. A few holes late I again asked him very politely. He said that the people in front of him were slow so it didn’t matter if he hit 2 or 10 ball on each hole. This is really getting out of hand. There is no more etiquette apparently. Might as well join them as you obviously cannot beat them.

Couldn't agree more. However, it would have been more productive to tell the ambassador rather than posting on TOTV:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Mortal1]

I play 7 days/wk. I encounter what you mention a few times a month. NO! Etiquette is not dead, but your patience might be.

[Bogie Shooter]

Not the rule in TV.
Most places, keep pace with the peeps in front of you.
TV is the damn time sheet.
:ohdear:

Not trying to start an argument but, couple weeks was talking to ambassador on a Champs course, he told us they have eliminated the time sheets. At least he wasn’t recording any times.

[stanley]

Not trying to start an argument but, couple weeks was talking to ambassador on a Champs course, he told us they have eliminated the time sheets. At least he wasn’t recording any times.

Maybe at his course..............(what course?).but not where I work

[gdennis317]

He was a single we were a twosome. He was not keeping up. We caught up to him and had to wait for him to tee off twice on each hole.

Since you were a twosome, and he was a single, I would guess this was in the afternoon when courses are not as crowded. Would not see this in the morning wave or likely early in the afternoon wave. See lots of pairs and singles in the mid Afternoon in Hot weather. Best if folks just relax and play to the speed of those in front of you.

It is not whether he was keeping up so you did not have to wait, it is if he was keeping up to the group in front of him. I have had starters and Ambassadors suggest I hit an extra ball here and there at this time of day, would not do it when course is full.

I would suggest you either join up, or you might hit an extra ball or practice a little chipping/ putting also. More fun for all of you then waiting in your cart on the next T Box.

Relax and enjoy. Too hot to hurry anyway.

[Golfer222]

Would not be that disrespectful to the group behind us. This creates a "pile up" effect. Simple fix- 1 person, 1 ball

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Would not be that disrespectful to the group behind us. This creates a "pile up" effect. Simple fix- 1 person, 1 ball

It only creates a pile-up effect on the people behind you, if the people ahead of you are faster than you are.

One golfer with 2 balls is going to be faster than a foursome. So if he had a foursome ahead of him, everyone behind him STILL would have had to wait for that foursome, even if the single played two balls per hole.

As long as the single ahead of the OP was keeping up with the people ahead of HIM - all is well.

[Topspinmo]

It's not just common sense and bad etiquette, it is a violation of USGA rules and The Villages rules:

https://www.golfthevillages.com/whatsnew/TheVillagesOfficialRulesSheet2019NoFreeDropArea.pd f

I would have asked an ambassador to tell him to stop playing two balls.


Agree should of just toll ambassador if and when came by.

[Topspinmo]

Again playing today, the guy in front of me hitting 2 balls on every tee. I politely asked him to only hit one ball as the course was getting backed up. He ignored me and continued. A few holes late I again asked him very politely. He said that the people in front of him were slow so it didn’t matter if he hit 2 or 10 ball on each hole. This is really getting out of hand. There is no more etiquette apparently. Might as well join them as you obviously cannot beat them.

It’s not you’re job to police course. It’s the ambassador’s. Just tell the ambassador he’s one that has the authority. Confront some AHs and you’ll be in shouting match. Occasionally I see someone taking mulligan which ok IMO. But not in every hole. In you’re case this guy probably shot under par :1rotfl: picked which shots he liked the best.

[Topspinmo]

It only creates a pile-up effect on the people behind you, if the people ahead of you are faster than you are.

One golfer with 2 balls is going to be faster than a foursome. So if he had a foursome ahead of him, everyone behind him STILL would have had to wait for that foursome, even if the single played two balls per hole.

As long as the single ahead of the OP was keeping up with the people ahead of HIM - all is well.


Golf course is not practice range, plus it’s just more wear on fairways and green’s. don’t matter if he has to wait, there are rules in place when on course. But, I can see how some don’t know or follow rules.

[thevillages2013]

Could have invited him to join you.

Seriously? Gonna ask him to play with you? So you would have to endure this dude playing two balls into the hole in your group? Not happening

[Luggage]

First off I don't think anyone has any real schedule to go anywhere, secondly I would not approach anyone and complain directly that's what the ambassadors are for. Lastly don't you think if someone is not playing according to rules they should be some kind of penalty imposed?

[DaleDivine]

Agree should of just toll ambassador if and when came by.

Sounds like the OP was on an executive course and most ambassadors have no authority to stop them from hitting more than one ball as long as they were keeping up.
I have several ambassador friends that I have golfed with and they have gotten into some messy confrontations from golfers not applying proper etiquette such as keeping up with the group in front of them, raking bunkers, fixing divots, ball marks, etc...
Just be patient and have an extra birdie shot....
:ohdear::welcome::popcorn:

[jack.hunter00@yahoo.com]

Call the club how and tell them what's going on. If a group is not keeping up with pace an ambassador will have the slow group pick up and move forward.

[jack.hunter00@yahoo.com]

You may have been faster than pace. If that is the case then your are wrong.

[JeanC]

If the next hole was not open, then why should he hurry? If he hurries, and you hurry, then there are two groups waiting on next hole. He can only go as fast as the group in front of him. If the hole in front of him was opened, then yes you have reason to be concerned.

[GOLFER54]

Would have mentioned it to Ambassador, and let him deal with it. Hitting two balls off the tee, is ridiculous !

[Kelevision]

If the next hole was not open, then why should he hurry? If he hurries, and you hurry, then there are two groups waiting on next hole. He can only go as fast as the group in front of him. If the hole in front of him was opened, then yes you have reason to be concerned.

Agreed! I can’t really understand this post. If he was solo and had a group of 4 ahead of him and he even told you, when you questioned him, that the group ahead of him were still there? IF the group was NOT still there then I see your point but he’s a solo player. How can him playing 2 balls take more time than if he were a group of 2, 3 or 4?

[dolphin]

Should have called the shack and reported situation if you were continuing to catch up to him. Two balls ok IF no other golfers

[banjobob]

Sometimes when jam ups happen a call to the starter shack the ambassador will come right there , mostly they ask the slow group to skip a hole and play on ,works .

[Golfer222]

The difference is that a solo player has to go to each ball and hit one at a time whereas a 2,3,or 4 group each goes to their ball separately and hit pretty close to one another. In your scenario, where you seem to think it is fine even if he hits 4 balls, and sprays them all over the course, you have to wait for him to go to each ball. This argument is silly. No form of golf etiquette allows a player to hit multiple balls per hole if others are waiting behind him. One player, one ball

[Minoletti]

two things
1. your lucky he wasnt playing with three others, that would have really slowed your twosome down.
2. your lucky he didnt tell you to #$% off and wait your turn.

[b0bd0herty]

Couldn't agree more. However, it would have been more productive to tell the ambassador rather than posting on TOTV:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

From what I've read on almost every golfing thread... the "Ambassadors" are pretty much like their title describe: politicians who do nothing. ;)

[72lions]

The error here is the system allowing a single to go out. Singles have not status on a golf course. Assuming there were 2 to 4 in front of him, you had nowhere to go anyway. I’m assuming this is on an executive course which technically is just a recreational area, designed largely for people who play AT golf, not proficient golfers.

What’s the hurry?

[Golfer222]

two things
1. your lucky he wasnt playing with three others, that would have really slowed your twosome down.
2. your lucky he didnt tell you to #$% off and wait your turn.
this certainly is the pervasive attitude of the entitled today- do what you want and $%#& others

[bowlingal]

that's what the ambassador is for. to keep up the even flow of players. you dropped the ball on this.

[jbrown132]

Where was the ambassador? If none were out there, call the starter shack. That’s there job to deal with things like that not yours.

[tsmall22204]

Golfers cry more than anyone in any sport. The

[golfing eagles]

Golfers cry more than anyone in any sport. The

No, posters on TOTV cry more:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Dantes]

They are called clubs for a reason

[cafw1]

Call the phone number on your score card and ask to have an Ambassador come out and tell him not to do it. Hopefully that will end that problem.

[Golfer222]

it was after hours- shack was closed. This is the time people tend to think of the courses as their own personal practice range for some reason

[Jean G]

If he can’t proceed forward, why did it matter where you waited? If he only hit one you would end up waiting together. That can be awkward.

[Goodi70]

Not to mention the fact that on the Execs many days there will be one ambassador for 4 courses (when there is usually one for 2). One person cannot keep up with all the infractions and maintain the course. Wait till the wages go up and see where staffing takes us.

[donfey]

He was a single we were a twosome. He was not keeping up. We caught up to him and had to wait for him to tee off twice on each hole.

A job for the ambassador.

[Rick Kiwus]

He was a single we were a twosome. He was not keeping up. We caught up to him and had to wait for him to tee off twice on each hole.

What a jerk; I have played golf all over the world and the ambassadors here are worthless!

[Singerlady]

Again playing today, the guy in front of me hitting 2 balls on every tee. I politely asked him to only hit one ball as the course was getting backed up. He ignored me and continued. A few holes late I again asked him very politely. He said that the people in front of him were slow so it didn’t matter if he hit 2 or 10 ball on each hole. This is really getting out of hand. There is no more etiquette apparently. Might as well join them as you obviously cannot beat them.
I would have called the pro shop and ask them to send an ambassador out pronto.

[MidWestIA]

Are they keeping up with the group ahead of them? If so you have no say about what they do - do they have to just stand in the boiling sun and do nothing while they wait?

[paulajr]

Again playing today, the guy in front of me hitting 2 balls on every tee. I politely asked him to only hit one ball as the course was getting backed up. He ignored me and continued. A few holes late I again asked him very politely. He said that the people in front of him were slow so it didn’t matter if he hit 2 or 10 ball on each hole. This is really getting out of hand. There is no more etiquette apparently. Might as well join them as you obviously cannot beat them.

So...after plowing through the responses, we discover you are on an executive course...after the shack has closed. SO
#1...you shouldn't be there...but ..ok.
#2... The person in front of you is waiting for the people before him, so he is hitting 2 so you both aren't waiting on every hole.
#3...you didn't offer to team up with him so you all aren't waiting.

no sympathy.

[OhioBuckeye]

Again playing today, the guy in front of me hitting 2 balls on every tee. I politely asked him to only hit one ball as the course was getting backed up. He ignored me and continued. A few holes late I again asked him very politely. He said that the people in front of him were slow so it didn’t matter if he hit 2 or 10 ball on each hole. This is really getting out of hand. There is no more etiquette apparently. Might as well join them as you obviously cannot beat them.

That’s what Ambassadors are suppose to do or call TV head office. But the sad thing is the board doesn’t want to make anyone mad. Just my opinion if it’s true that this guy is waiting at every hole you’ll still be waiting to tee off. So you might as well be patient!

[nick demis]

Again playing today, the guy in front of me hitting 2 balls on every tee. I politely asked him to only hit one ball as the course was getting backed up. He ignored me and continued. A few holes late I again asked him very politely. He said that the people in front of him were slow so it didn’t matter if he hit 2 or 10 ball on each hole. This is really getting out of hand. There is no more etiquette apparently. Might as well join them as you obviously cannot beat them.

Was he keeping up with the group in front of him? If so, what's the problem? If not, than file a complaint. Problem solved.

[Golfer222]

So...after plowing through the responses, we discover you are on an executive course...after the shack has closed. SO
#1...you shouldn't be there...but ..ok.
#2... The person in front of you is waiting for the people before him, so he is hitting 2 so you both aren't waiting on every hole.
#3...you didn't offer to team up with him so you all aren't waiting.

no sympathy.
wasn't really looking for your sympathy but ummm, ok

[024engine]

Find the Ambassador and report him and the group in front of him.

[nhtexasrn]

Again playing today, the guy in front of me hitting 2 balls on every tee. I politely asked him to only hit one ball as the course was getting backed up. He ignored me and continued. A few holes late I again asked him very politely. He said that the people in front of him were slow so it didn’t matter if he hit 2 or 10 ball on each hole. This is really getting out of hand. There is no more etiquette apparently. Might as well join them as you obviously cannot beat them.

We have been playing when we had to wait for the group in front of us to get off the green. We've even had groups behind us that were caught up to us and we hoped they could tell we were also waiting, so it does happen. Maybe what he said was true, and he wasn't being rude?

[Mrprez]

The starter shacks close at 7pm. If you have a 7pm tee time, you will be out on the course after the shack is closed. Perfectly legal.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Golf course is not practice range, plus it’s just more wear on fairways and green’s. don’t matter if he has to wait, there are rules in place when on course. But, I can see how some don’t know or follow rules.

1. Wear and tear of one person with one golf cart hitting two balls is still less than 4 people with two golf carts, each hitting 1 ball.
2. The wear and tear of the greens has *nothing* to do with the OP's question. His concern is the waiting, the delay. My post addressed the delay.
3. Just like in normal traffic on the highway, you *cannot* go any faster than the guy directly ahead of you. Laws of physics apply here.
4. Since #3 is true, it doesn't really matter - in the context of "having to wait" what the person ahead of you is doing while HE waits for the person in front of HIM.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Again playing today, the guy in front of me hitting 2 balls on every tee. I politely asked him to only hit one ball as the course was getting backed up. He ignored me and continued. A few holes late I again asked him very politely. He said that the people in front of him were slow so it didn’t matter if he hit 2 or 10 ball on each hole. This is really getting out of hand. There is no more etiquette apparently. Might as well join them as you obviously cannot beat them.

Nah, it’s not dead; just takes a backseat occasionally to the privileged/entitled that probably used to do the same at their rundown muni wherever they came from.

[BumpaOompa]

Same exact thing happened to us. We were a foursome with a single guy in front of us hitting two balls on every hole holding us up. No one was in front of him. We advised an ambassador who told him to only hit one ball. He sat down on the ground and pouted and passed us through. After the hole I looked back and noticed he was doing the same thing and holding up the next group behind him. A few pretentious idiots ruin it for everyone. They should give one warning then ban the culprits from play for a month.

[Jokomo]

Couldn't agree more. However, it would have been more productive to tell the ambassador rather than posting on TOTV:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

The Ambassadors really don’t enforce rules like this. I had this happen at Tierra de Sol . We were scheduled to play with another couple and the starter allowed them to tee off and play by themselves. The man hit multiple balls on every shot. We waited on every shot, they refused to pair up and the Ambassador just shrugged his shoulders.

Recently at Glenview my friend and I were finishing our round (Stirrup Cup) and when we reached the 9th tee there was a couple just teeing off…apparently had jumped from #1 to #9 for no apparent reason. There had been no one ahead of us the entire round. Luckily (I thought) there was an ambassador driving up the path just as they were leaving the tee. We stopped him, asked him to move the couple off the hole, and he looked at them then drove away. That couple also hit multiple balls as we stewed and waited for them to finish.

[Gizemo33]

To Golf222, FYI, I have the Telephone number for each golf course recorded in my iphone. When I run into A long delay situation, I simply call the starter shack let them know what’s going on and request that the ambassador come and speak to the folks that are causing the delay. That’s what the ambassadors and starter shack are supposed to do. They’re supposed to make sure that the flow of the game is within The time constraints of the course. All of the phone numbers are in the little pamphlet that comes out each January in the magazine and put all the numbers and names in your phone. Then don’t be afraid to use it use them. Hope this helps. Stay safe and healthy and if you’re not vaccinated please get the vaccine.

[brick010207]

From what I've read on almost every golfing thread... the "Ambassadors" are pretty much like their title describe: politicians who do nothing. ;)

If we didn’t have to spend all our time fixing divots, returning rakes and sometimes raking the bunkers and repairing ball marks on the greens that maintenance staff work hard to keep in tip-top shape for those of you who apparently feel it’s beneath you to do so other things might happen. Add to that management’s philosophy that the golfers can do no wrong and the Ambassador’s hands are pretty much tied. Remember , Judge not til you you’ve walked a mile in the other guys golf shoes 👞 (editorial liberty taken)!!

[rlcooper70]

If he's playing alone and he isn't holding up anyone because there is someone in front of him ... should we care how many balls he hits?

[brick010207]

What a jerk; I have played golf all over the world and the ambassadors here are worthless!
You sir are the problem. I won’t say what I’m thinking else the monitor would likely not let it go and rightfully so. But I’d be willing to bet you are one of those who keeps the ambassadors busy cleaning up after them fixing divots, raking and returning rakes to sand traps and repairing ball marks

[Niferlou06]

Here's what I don't understand. Why doesn't TV mandate a golf etiquitte course be taken prior to allowing a person to golf? They do this before you can play pickel ball.

[brick010207]

The Ambassadors really don’t enforce rules like this. I had this happen at Tierra de Sol . We were scheduled to play with another couple and the starter allowed them to tee off and play by themselves. The man hit multiple balls on every shot. We waited on every shot, they refused to pair up and the Ambassador just shrugged his shoulders.

Recently at Glenview my friend and I were finishing our round (Stirrup Cup) and when we reached the 9th tee there was a couple just teeing off…apparently had jumped from #1 to #9 for no apparent reason. There had been no one ahead of us the entire round. Luckily (I thought) there was an ambassador driving up the path just as they were leaving the tee. We stopped him, asked him to move the couple off the hole, and he looked at them then drove away. That couple also hit multiple balls as we stewed and waited for them to finish.
This ambassador was wrong on both occasions and should be terminated. Did you report to golf pro? You should

[Spalumbos62]

Couldn't agree more. However, it would have been more productive to tell the ambassador rather than posting on TOTV:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:


He's trying to reach two birds with one ball.....lol

[BigHoss18]

It's not just common sense and bad etiquette, it is a violation of USGA rules and The Villages rules:

https://www.golfthevillages.com/whatsnew/TheVillagesOfficialRulesSheet2019NoFreeDropArea.pd f

I would have asked an ambassador to tell him to stop playing two balls.

Retired guy, thanks for posting those rules, but that specific reference does not mention pace of play, or anything regarding how many balls a single player can hit/play.

[Kelevision]

What a jerk; I have played golf all over the world and the ambassadors here are worthless!

:ohdear:

[DonH57]

Here's what I don't understand. Why doesn't TV mandate a golf etiquitte course be taken prior to allowing a person to golf? They do this before you can play pickel ball.

I've often wondered that myself. Lately I've even seen 5 some's playing. Saw one this morning on one of Hacienda's courses. What's up with that?:shocked:

[dewilson58]

They do this before you can play pickel ball.

Nope.

[retiredguy123]

Retired guy, thanks for posting those rules, but that specific reference does not mention pace of play, or anything regarding how many balls a single player can hit/play.
I was referring to the USGA rules of golf that The Villages has adopted for play on their courses (see the link). You are supposed to play using those rules. Under USGA rules, you cannot hit 2 balls on a hole unless you are playing a provisional ball, which is only allowed in some circumstances.

[dewilson58]

I was referring to the USGA rules of golf that The Villages has adopted for play on their courses (see the link). You are supposed to play using those rules. Under USGA rules, you cannot hit 2 balls on a hole unless you are playing a provisional ball, which is only allowed in some circumstances.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
This is The Villages (& every where)
Gimmies.
Rolling the ball.
Foot wedges.
Breakfast balls.

NO BODY plays by the rules.
:clap2::clap2::clap2:

[Golfer222]

It is just common courtesy and common sense which seems to be lacking these days. You see a group behind you, You only hit one ball per tee. Not much more complicated than that (unless you want it to be)

[tvbound]

I've often wondered that myself. Lately I've even seen 5 some's playing. Saw one this morning on one of Hacienda's courses. What's up with that?:shocked:

I've played in many fivesomes (our home course allowed it, if they knew you), all walking and playing ready golf, where we were constantly waiting on threesomes using carts in front of us. It really boils down to understanding that - "your place on the course is right behind the group in front of you, not just ahead of the group behind you."

[Marathon Man]

Here's what I don't understand. Why doesn't TV mandate a golf etiquitte course be taken prior to allowing a person to golf? They do this before you can play pickel ball.

There is no such rule in pickleball. Nothing prevents anyone from walking onto a court to play.

[Golfer222]

There is no such rule in pickleball. Nothing prevents anyone from walking onto a court to play.
You are correct Marathon Man, but the question remains "Is it safe"

[Marathon Man]

It is just common courtesy and common sense which seems to be lacking these days. You see a group behind you, You only hit one ball per tee. Not much more complicated than that (unless you want it to be)

I don't agree. As long as you are keeping up with the group in front of you, playing two balls in not a problem.

Look at it this way - Why should a single player, who is following a foursome, be forced to wait at every shot because he can only play one ball?

[golfing eagles]

Here's what I don't understand. Why doesn't TV mandate a golf etiquitte course be taken prior to allowing a person to golf? They do this before you can play pickel ball.

I've often wondered that myself. Lately I've even seen 5 some's playing. Saw one this morning on one of Hacienda's courses. What's up with that?:shocked:

Wonderful idea (sarcasm). And when we get some guests that are related to Villagers such as Stewart Cink, Patrick Reed and Harris English, they can't play until they take an etiquette course as well:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: Personally, I've played for over 50 years including competitive golf at various levels, and I can't think of a single reason why I would have to sit through a mandatory "etiquette" course with those that are ignorant of the game, unless they ask me to teach it.

[Kelevision]

I don't agree. As long as you are keeping up with the group in front of you, playing two balls in not a problem.

Look at it this way - Why should a single player, who is following a foursome, be forced to wait at every shot because he can only play one ball?

Exactly! If I were a solo player behind a group of 4 I’d play 2 balls too. Pace of Play people!!!!!! :bigbow:

[Golfer222]

I don't agree. As long as you are keeping up with the group in front of you, playing two balls in not a problem.

Look at it this way - Why should a single player, who is following a foursome, be forced to wait at every shot because he can only play one ball?
Because it is being selfish. You are not going to sit and wait behind the group ahead of you, so instead, you tinker on the hole, practice until you can play on without any standstill. Yet, there is a group on the tee behind you having to sit there and wait on you. Pure selfishness

[Sherry8bal]

That's the biggest problem since the Villages kept building and now is a huge populated place. We have too many morons who think they can do whatever they want, wherever they want and the rules don't apply to them. These kind of people have ruined living here.

[dewilson58]

Because it is being selfish. You are not going to sit and wait behind the group ahead of you, so instead, you tinker on the hole, practice until you can play on without any standstill. Yet, there is a group on the tee behind you having to sit there and wait on you. Pure selfishness

It's not selfishness (the way m2 described), the group behind will finish at the same time either way.

:ho:

[Kelevision]

That's the biggest problem since the Villages kept building and now is a huge populated place. We have too many morons who think they can do whatever they want, wherever they want and the rules don't apply to them. These kind of people have ruined living here.

Perhaps it’s time for you to move because it’s only getting bigger. :a040:

[Kelevision]

Because it is being selfish. You are not going to sit and wait behind the group ahead of you, so instead, you tinker on the hole, practice until you can play on without any standstill. Yet, there is a group on the tee behind you having to sit there and wait on you. Pure selfishness

Do NOT agree.

[Golfer222]

It's not selfishness (the way m2 described), the group behind will finish at the same time either way.

:ho:
Of course nobody ever thinks their own selfish acts are selfish. Always can find a justification.

[Golfer222]

Do NOT agree.
essentially you are not willing to sit patiently and wait for the group ahead of you , but you expect the group behind you to do exactly that, which you are not willing to do. Kinda the textbook definition of selfishness

[Kelevision]

Of course nobody ever thinks their own selfish acts are selfish. Always can find a justification.

TBH, you’re the one who’s acting selfish here? :a040: Let it go. Move on. Get over it. The poor guy can’t even defend himself and you’re here bashing him to a bunch of strangers. it’s a round of golf that takes an hour. :ohdear:

[Kelevision]

essentially you are not willing to sit patiently and wait for the group ahead of you , but you expect the group behind you to do exactly that, which you are not willing to do. Kinda the textbook definition of selfishness

If there are 4 people in front of me and I’m solo, you think I should just sit and wait? Let’s just pretend I’m 2 people then. :mademyday:

[ajbrown]

essentially you are not willing to sit patiently and wait for the group ahead of you , but you expect the group behind you to do exactly that, which you are not willing to do. Kinda the textbook definition of selfishness

You have gone from a poster I agree with on OP to a poster I am not sure knows anything about golf. In your non selfish world, would the goal be to get 2, 3, 4 or more groups on the next couple of tees? :ohdear:

[Golfer222]

If there are 4 people in front of me and I’m solo, you think I should just sit and wait? Let’s just pretend I’m 2 people then. :mademyday:
no , of course not - YOU should not have to wait when you can make others wait. Why should YOU have to wait when YOU are entitled

[Kelevision]

no , of course not - YOU should not have to wait when you can make others wait. Why should YOU have to wait when YOU are entitled

You don’t golf much do you?

[dewilson58]

You don’t golf much do you?

No he/she doesn't.

6 doesn't understand.......If the solo is playing one ball or two and keeping up with the group ahead.......the group behind is going to wait the same amount either way.

[Golfer222]

You don’t golf much do you?
Quite often actually. Probably how I learned the etiquette I see lacking in a lot of others. Apparent a few on this site

[Curtisbwp]

The Villages is comprised of people from all over. Many have never played golf but now they want to try it. There is no time or desire to learn golf edifying. The same goes for the elderly motorcycle riders. And sad to say the ignorant firearms buyers (These people really scare me)

[dewilson58]

The Villages is comprised of people from all over. Many have never played golf but now they want to try it. There is no time or desire to learn golf edifying. The same goes for the elderly motorcycle riders. And sad to say the ignorant firearms buyers (These people really scare me)

Golfer?......check.
Motorcycle rider?........check.
Gun owner?.......check.
Ignorant?......check.

Sorry, we will never be friends.

[Golfer222]

You have gone from a poster I agree with on OP to a poster I am not sure knows anything about golf. In your non selfish world, would the goal be to get 2, 3, 4 or more groups on the next couple of tees? :ohdear:
Heck might as well throw a bunch of balls on the green and practice my putting even though there is a group on the tee behind me that could play the hole. As long as it means I am not idle for one second, that is all that matters. Screw everybody else. Textbook entitlement. Appears epidemic

[germangi]

Report him to the ambassador and the pro!!! They will know who he is and take appropriate action.
His arrogance is appalling !!!

[dewilson58]

Report him to the ambassador and the pro!!! They will know who he is and take appropriate action.
His arrogance is appalling !!!

It took this thread for you to come alive after seven years??

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Great first post.

[Funkman]

As someone who usually plays champ courses solo once or twice a week in the mornings (love getting out there early and will usually hit 2 balls) If I'm playing TDS or OB and there's nobody in front of me I usually move at a good pace and will finish in about 3:15 However, if I'm playing one of the other courses, there's no reason to rush on the front side because everyone has to wait at the turn anyway. So I'll take my time and fix a few extra balls marks if there's nobody waiting to hit up. That gives the group in front of me time to move on rather than feeling like up I'm crawling up their asses and pushing them to go faster when they will inevitably have to wait at the turn anyway

As has been stated, you can only go as fast as the group in front of you so the only hole where time should come into play is on the last hole or two on the back. The only legit complaint to be made here is if a solo golfer has a full hole open ahead of him, in which case there's definitely a reason to get ****ed (I know I would) But suggesting someone only be allowed to hit one ball and then have to wait will only lead to the groups behind him having to wait as they catch up to the groups in front of them.

Of course this is assuming the single golfer is capable and not out there just spraying the ball around or ballhawking and in this case it seems like the guy was keeping up with the slower group in front of him and there wasn't a gap.

In the end, the final round time isn't going to change more than 2-3 minutes.

Doesn't really seem to be anything worth getting upset about from my POV, but as they say, YMMV

[Mendy]

What a jerk; I have played golf all over the world and the ambassadors here are worthless!

So who do you think fills divots, repairs ball marks, picks up broken tees and trash, fills sand bottles, replaces rakes in traps, etc???

[stanley]

So who do you think fills divots, repairs ball marks, picks up broken tees and trash, fills sand bottles, replaces rakes in traps, etc???

Thank you!

[stanley]

What a jerk; I have played golf all over the world and the ambassadors here are worthless!

Well ain't you special.

[LateBoomer]

societal etiquette is pretty much dead. And you know who to thank for that

[Bay Kid]

So who do you think fills divots, repairs ball marks, picks up broken tees and trash, fills sand bottles, replaces rakes in traps, etc???

Don't forget picking up cigarette butts.

[Golfer222]

It boils down to respect for the game and others. Either you have it or you don't. Some of the comments made here makes that delineation obvious. Now leaving this thread

[willis100]

If I play alone, I do this and have been encouraged by ambassadors to do it because they see what is happening. It is a great way to practice and I have never held anyone up doing it on either type of course. Executive courses are not sanctioned by USGA and if you play alone on a championship course, you cannot turn that score as a ginn entry. If I am alone, it's a practice round and I will practice different things using a couple of balls not hurting anyone as I repair divots and ball marks, rake traps, and all the other things golfers should do.

[DonH57]

I've played in many fivesomes (our home course allowed it, if they knew you), all walking and playing ready golf, where we were constantly waiting on threesomes using carts in front of us. It really boils down to understanding that - "your place on the course is right behind the group in front of you, not just ahead of the group behind you."

Thanks. I've just never saw it before but I don't get out much!:1rotfl:

[Laker14]

I've played in many fivesomes (our home course allowed it, if they knew you), all walking and playing ready golf, where we were constantly waiting on threesomes using carts in front of us. It really boils down to understanding that - "your place on the course is right behind the group in front of you, not just ahead of the group behind you."

Bully for you. But you are wrong. If you are playing at a reasonable pace, established by the course (i.e. the greens committee, the board, the pro, whoever has been given the authority to establish it), then it doesn't really matter how fast other people want to play.

I don't know how fast your foursome or fivesome play. Doesn't matter to me. If you want to race around in 2 hours, go for it. It has no bearing whatsoever on how fast anyone else should play.
If you are behind me, and pushing me, unless the rules of the course forbid it, I would gladly let you play through. Happy to do it. For reasons of their own, the TV courses don't want us to do that, so, if you are behind me, in a hurry, and I'm on the time par or under it, too bad. You just have to relax and enjoy the day.
Your pace is your pace. It's not my pace, and it poses no obligation to me to duplicate it. Likewise the group in front of me.
As long as my group is good on the clock, we are good.

[stanley]

:bigbow:Bully for you. But you are wrong. If you are playing at a reasonable pace, established by the course (i.e. the greens committee, the board, the pro, whoever has been given the authority to establish it), then it doesn't really matter how fast other people want to play.

I don't know how fast your foursome or fivesome play. Doesn't matter to me. If you want to race around in 2 hours, go for it. It has no bearing whatsoever on how fast anyone else should play.
If you are behind me, and pushing me, unless the rules of the course forbid it, I would gladly let you play through. Happy to do it. For reasons of their own, the TV courses don't want us to do that, so, if you are behind me, in a hurry, and I'm on the time par or under it, too bad. You just have to relax and enjoy the day.
Your pace is your pace. It's not my pace, and it poses no obligation to me to duplicate it. Likewise the group in front of me.
As long as my group is good on the clock, we are good.

Bravo!!