Stay Well Out There

[Villages Kahuna]

Like the desk sergeant used to forewarn his cops going out on their shift on the old, popular TV series, “Hill Street Blues” ….”Stay safe out there.”

Maybe stay well might be more apropos here in The Villages, particularly if you get sick and need hospitalization. We haven’t heard sirens or helicopters arriving at The Villages Regional Hospital for almost two weeks now. A close friend came back from a doctor’s appointment yesterday with the report that both hospitals in Tavares are closed to any new patients.

Tavares is the Lake County seat and the hospitals there are the next closest to The Villages. Other than the information that none of the hospitals anywhere near The Villages are doing elective surgeries and procedures, no reports on whether they’re even accepting new patients. And of course there’s not even a mention of COVID topics in The Villages Daily Sun. If anyone has current information in whether any of the hospitals in Ocala or other nearby hospitals are open to ER or other new patients, feel free to let us know.

But I guess it bears repeating… Stay well out there! It looks like we’re all pretty much on our own for awhile.

[graciegirl]

Like the desk sergeant used to forewarn his cops going out on their shift on the old, popular TV series, “Hill Street Blues” ….”Stay safe out there.”

Maybe stay well might be more apropos here in The Villages, particularly if you get sick and need hospitalization. We haven’t heard sirens or helicopters arriving at The Villages Regional Hospital for almost two weeks now. A close friend came back from a doctor’s appointment yesterday with the report that both hospitals in Tavares are closed to any new patients.

Tavares is the Lake County seat and the hospitals there are the next closest to The Villages. Other than the information that none of the hospitals anywhere near The Villages are doing elective surgeries and procedures, no reports on whether they’re even accepting new patients. And of course there’s not even a mention of COVID topics in The Villages Daily Sun. If anyone has current information in whether any of the hospitals in Ocala or other nearby hospitals are open to ER or other new patients, feel free to let us know.

But I guess it bears repeating… Stay well out there! It looks like we’re all pretty much on our own for awhile.

I am glad most of us are vaccinated. I think that means most of us probably won't die if we catch the Delta Variant.

We went to our activities at rec center three times last week. No one wearing masks. Do we risk getting sick, even if we probably won't get REAL sick? If you do have to be hospitalized, no one that loves you can be with you. Sad and troubling times.

For now standing back and thinking and not going to rec centers.......... What are the rest of you doing?

[billethkid]

Are the local hospitals turning away critical emergencies?
One would think that even if they are not accepting new patients they will still treat life threatening emergencies.

We both have our shots.
We do Almost everything after getting vaccinated.
We mask up when going anywhere indoors......actually we never discontinued our pre Delta masking routine.

It continues to be very disappointing and at times disturbing that
this pandemic has become distorted due to local, state and federal bias.

[Dana1963]

Like the desk sergeant used to forewarn his cops going out on their shift on the old, popular TV series, “Hill Street Blues” ….”Stay safe out there.”

Maybe stay well might be more apropos here in The Villages, particularly if you get sick and need hospitalization. We haven’t heard sirens or helicopters arriving at The Villages Regional Hospital for almost two weeks now. A close friend came back from a doctor’s appointment yesterday with the report that both hospitals in Tavares are closed to any new patients.

Tavares is the Lake County seat and the hospitals there are the next closest to The Villages. Other than the information that none of the hospitals anywhere near The Villages are doing elective surgeries and procedures, no reports on whether they’re even accepting new patients. And of course there’s not even a mention of COVID topics in The Villages Daily Sun. If anyone has current information in whether any of the hospitals in Ocala or other nearby hospitals are open to ER or other new patients, feel free to let us know.

But I guess it bears repeating… Stay well out there! It looks like we’re all pretty much on our own for awhile.
Why do people who choose not to get vaccinated go to the hospital when they get sick?
It’s literally filled with people they don’t trust

[camaguey48]

I am glad most of us are vaccinated. I think that means most of us probably won't die if we catch the Delta Variant.

We went to our activities at rec center three times last week. No one wearing masks. Do we risk getting sick, even if we probably won't get REAL sick? If you do have to be hospitalized, no one that loves you can be with you. Sad and troubling times.

For now standing back and thinking and not going to rec centers.......... What are the rest of you doing?
I'm living my life. That's what I'm doing. If people want fear and tyranny to control their lives, I respectfully say, " have at it. " "When the people fear the government, it's called tyranny. When the government fears the people, it's called liberty." Thomas Jefferson.

[graciegirl]

I'm living my life. That's what I'm doing. If people want fear and tyranny to control their lives, I respectfully say, " have at it. " "When the people fear the government, it's called tyranny. When the government fears the people, it's called liberty." Thomas Jefferson.

That is a great philosophy and I agree with it. However, this was on the subject of whether to risk getting the "mild case" or not. I do think that even if fully vaccinated we can get sick from the Delta Variant. I guess my question, my question to myself is....How sick IS the mild case? I don't like to catch a cold. It puts a hitch in my little plans to feel nice and no one likes to give a cold to someone else................

So. Do you think that living your life without fear is going to up your odds for catching the Delta Variant? It is VERY contagious and I already know of several Villagers who have caught it by being at rec centers.

So put aside the government. It looks like folks from both sides are catching this bug, even if they are vaccinated. How sick are they? Do you or I want to risk catching something that we can avoid????

[John41]

The hospitals are closed to elective inpatient and non time critical surgeries. In about a month this surge will fall off quickly. The problem is immigrants from South America both legal and illegal keep bringing in new Covid variants. Even the Washington Post has called the border policies a disaster. Many illegals want to stay in southern states like Texas and Florida so they are given $1000 and a one way bus ticket. Then they undercut the wages of Americans with low wage jobs or go on welfare.

[Mortal1]

I'll do what I feel is correct and if you don't agree you'll still never know if the person beside you has the vaccine or not. If you don't wipe down every package, letter and contents you can still get the virus...same for your fruit and grocery packaging. And while there might be a few that go to these extremes they are by no means a majority. Good luck.

I'll depend on the facts they can actually prove(and not a ballpark guess). Being a sheep is easy. Being independent and smart takes a bit more work.

[Mortal1]

That is a great philosophy and I agree with it. However, this was on the subject of whether to risk getting the "mild case" or not. I do think that even if fully vaccinated we can get sick from the Delta Variant. I guess my question, my question to myself is....How sick IS the mild case? I don't like to catch a cold. It puts a hitch in my little plans to feel nice and no one likes to give a cold to someone else................

So. Do you think that living your life without fear is going to up your odds for catching the Delta Variant? It is VERY contagious and I already know of several Villagers who have caught it by being at rec centers.

So put aside the government. It looks like folks from both sides are catching this bug, even if they are vaccinated. How sick are they? Do you or I want to risk catching something that we can avoid????

pray tell me how and I will easily cite situations that can pass on the virus you won't have considered. Any and all viruses can kill you under the right situations!

[manaboutown]

As Delta Variant Spreads, Florida Hospitals Race to Find Open Beds - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/as-delta-variant-spreads-florida-hospitals-race-to-find-open-beds-11628501401?mod=itp_wsj)

[Madelaine Amee]

We are vaccinated and back to wearing masks inside stores. Annoying, of course, but better safe than sorry.

[camaguey48]

That is a great philosophy and I agree with it. However, this was on the subject of whether to risk getting the "mild case" or not. I do think that even if fully vaccinated we can get sick from the Delta Variant. I guess my question, my question to myself is....How sick IS the mild case? I don't like to catch a cold. It puts a hitch in my little plans to feel nice and no one likes to give a cold to someone else................

So. Do you think that living your life without fear is going to up your odds for catching the Delta Variant? It is VERY contagious and I already know of several Villagers who have caught it by being at rec centers.

So put aside the government. It looks like folks from both sides are catching this bug, even if they are vaccinated. How sick are they? Do you or I want to risk catching something that we can avoid????
My wife and I caught the bug early this year. Symptoms very similar to the flu, which I get every year even with the flu shot. My doctor prescribed a lab test to verify for the virus, we did get it and the lab results showed it. It also showed positivity for antibodies. I respect everyone's opinions on the subject, but I am enjoying my life and will keep living it.

[Dana1963]

I am glad most of us are vaccinated. I think that means most of us probably won't die if we catch the Delta Variant.

We went to our activities at rec center three times last week. No one wearing masks. Do we risk getting sick, even if we probably won't get REAL sick? If you do have to be hospitalized, no one that loves you can be with you. Sad and troubling times.

For now standing back and thinking and not going to rec centers.......... What are the rest of you doing?
“ What are the rest of you doing?”
Why worry about what others are DOING. We are ultimately responsible for our own decisions.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

I’m home in Boston I’ve been going to baseball games, the gym ,restaurants and socializing with many people of different races. I’m 82 , have had my shots and I’m not wearing a mask anywhere, see you in September

[champion6]

The hospitals are closed to elective inpatient and non time critical surgeries. In about a month this surge will fall off quickly. <snip>Too vague and incomplete. Which hospitals?

[graciegirl]

“ What are the rest of you doing?”
Why worry about what others are DOING. We are ultimately responsible for our own decisions.

Just having a conversation. I do wonder what most of the thoughtful and smart people who post on here are doing. Are they staying home more? Are they wearing masks indoors? Are they just being free as a PRE-pandemic bird?

Madeleine is wearing Masks again. Good plan.

Some say the variant needs the "really serious" mask. I don't think we have any of those. Each day I read and listen to the news and try to sort out the valid sources. I must admit that I am so tired of the pandemic.

How sick is the sick that old and vaccinated get?? MOST of the time? If you are not quite overweight and have breathing problems. Just kind of regular old person like me.

I am not interested in being sick...........IF I CAN AVOID IT. Or try to avoid it.

Please don't jump on me. I am mostly nice.

[camaguey48]

Just having a conversation. I do wonder what most of the thoughtful and smart people who post on here are doing. Are they staying home more? Are they wearing masks indoors? Are they just being free as a PRE-pandemic bird?

Madeleine is wearing Masks again. Good plan.

Some say the variant needs the "really serious" mask. I don't think we have any of those. Each day I read and listen to the news and try to sort out the valid sources. I must admit that I am so tired of the pandemic.

How sick is the sick that old and vaccinated get?? MOST of the time? If you are not quite overweight and have breathing problems. Just kind of regular old person like me.

I am not interested in being sick...........IF I CAN AVOID IT. Or try to avoid it.

Please don't jump on me. I am mostly nice.
Yes, you are nice and I like reading your posts. I'll direct you to the Daily Sun, page A 12, top left corner under nation and world news.
I respectfully ask: What is your opinion? Should the U.S. restrict those coming from South of the border whose vaccination history is unknown?

[graciegirl]

Yes, you are nice and I like reading your posts. I'll direct you to the Daily Sun, page A 12, top left corner under nation and world news.
I respectfully ask: What is your opinion? Should the U.S. restrict those coming from South of the border whose vaccination history is unknown?

I'm not interested in laws and directives. I want to know what people who I respect on this forum think they will do today and tomorrow about this rampant escalation of Covid cases and the fact that is clear that even vaccinated, we can get SOMETHING that will make us sick. Are they staying home again? Are they going out and wearing masks? If so are they getting the professional masks? I'm told Delta can walk right though plain old cloth.

[xkeowner]

I'm told Delta can walk right though plain old cloth.

That is true, but it is also true of the original variant of Covid if you take the time to actually research the science instead of relying upon the news programs. The cloth masks and many, probably most, of the paper masks you see people wearing provide little, if any, protection against Covid and its variants.

[Ben Franklin]

We were going out without facemask, for a while, until this variant sprung up from the unvaccinated, and now we are back to wearing masks indoors.

Unfortunately, there are those who believe they have no responsibility with freedoms in a society. Locke talked about freedoms in nature, that we are all born with, but in nature one has to fend and defend themselves, and can't rely on society helping out with anything. In society freedoms always come with responsibilities.

[Bogie Shooter]

the hospitals are closed to elective inpatient and non time critical surgeries. In about a month this surge will fall off quickly. The problem is immigrants from south america both legal and illegal keep bringing in new covid variants. Even the washington post has called the border policies a disaster. Many illegals want to stay in southern states like texas and florida so they are given $1000 and a one way bus ticket. Then they undercut the wages of americans with low wage jobs or go on welfare.

omg!

[SkBlogW]

I'm not interested in laws and directives. I want to know what people who I respect on this forum think they will do today and tomorrow about this rampant escalation of Covid cases and the fact that is clear that even vaccinated, we can get SOMETHING that will make us sick. Are they staying home again? Are they going out and wearing masks? If so are they getting the professional masks? I'm told Delta can walk right though plain old cloth.

Fauci told you the truth the first time, when he said masks, other than N95, were ineffective. The covid virus has always been able to "walk right through" cloth masks. Surgical masks are only slightly more efficient. I've seen many comment that youtube videos prove that masks prevent the infected from expelling the virus. It's just not true.

Cloth masks do stop some of the large globules of water born virus, these fall to the ground fairly quickly anyway. However, I have read recent studies where they measured actual virus globules and aerosols from infected individuals wearing a mask. Only 15% of virus emissions were globules, 85% were aerosols. Aerosol covid virus is about 5000 times smaller than the holes in cloth masks, so they indeed walk right through. They also are very light and can remain in the air and viable for 3 hours.

Here's a graphic from an exhaustive review of covid aerosols, masks etc. It doesn't show emissions with a cloth mask, but the cloth masks are only 50% as effective as surgical masks. As you can see, plenty gets through. Read the study if you like, you might learn something.

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Transmission of COVID-19 virus by droplets and aerosols: A critical review on the unresolved dichotomy (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7293495/)

Since the delta variant can carry 1000% more viral load, and 85% of viral emissions are aerosols, you can do the math. When covid started the CDC said that most infections happen indoors in close contact with an infected individual for 10 minutes or more. I believe with Delta it is less than a minute.

Since being fully vaccinated since January, I was starting to go out to eat etc but with delta breakthrough cases being reported I have stopped. I have never trusted the masks to protect me, so just avoided going indoors with other people. Like you I hate to get sick, even a cold, and I know it's not likely that the Delta will kill or even hospitalize me. However, I have a friend who had covid last year and came through it with one caveat. His sense of taste and smell have not returned. I can't imagine not being able to taste and smell food etc.

[camaguey48]

The laws and directives recently imposed are in place to keep us from living our lives in a free society. Control the truth and the sheep will follow. If you feel safe wearing a mask every minute of your day, have at it. Get an extra jab and you're good to go.

[sshepard03]

https://mobile.twitter.com/raheemkassam/status/1424806413474336769

Paste in your browser. Can't tell if this guy is 'an outlier.' He sure sounds like he has a lot of knowledge on the subject. GAME CHANGER.

[graciegirl]

The laws and directives recently imposed are in place to keep us from living our lives in a free society. Control the truth and the sheep will follow. If you feel safe wearing a mask every minute of your day, have at it. Get an extra jab and you're good to go.

There aren't laws and directives that could keep any of us from going anyplace that I know of. No one is directing us to wear masks at the rec centers or the grocery stores. At the doctors we are asked to wear them.

I am not asking about being bossed around. I just don't see anyone trying to direct me at all. I don't want to get sick and I don't want to spread it.

[Two Bills]

I wear a mask when required or requested, as I think it reassures a lot of people, and makes them feel safer.
We are doing pretty much as normal otherwise.
My biggest worry at moment is whether my Dahlias, will last until Saturdays Garden show, or my onions will be big enough to compete!
Virus is definitely on back burner at moment.

[Dana1963]

https://mobile.twitter.com/raheemkassam/status/1424806413474336769

Paste in your browser. Can't tell if this guy is 'an outlier.' He sure sounds like he has a lot of knowledge on the subject. GAME CHANGER.
Another video it’s about the aerosol droplets how the virus is transmitted. Dr. Galvin responds to the viral Dr Dan Stock video - YouTube (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BFERT7t0ICE)

[Dana1963]

There aren't laws and directives that could keep any of us from going anyplace that I know of. No one is directing us to wear masks at the rec centers or the grocery stores. At the doctors we are asked to wear them.

I am not asking about being bossed around. I just don't see anyone trying to direct me at all. I don't want to get sick and I don't want to spread it.
“ At the doctors we are asked to wear them.”. I’m not a professional patient and visit Dr Office only when necessary. Does anyone have a Dr that doesn’t require masks on recent visits?

[CFrance]

“ At the doctors we are asked to wear them.”. I’m not a professional patient and visit Dr Office only when necessary. Does anyone have a Dr that doesn’t require masks on recent visits?
What is a professional patient?

[Altavia]

Like the desk sergeant used to forewarn his cops going out on their shift on the old, popular TV series, “Hill Street Blues” ….”Stay safe out there.”

Maybe stay well might be more apropos here in The Villages, particularly if you get sick and need hospitalization. We haven’t heard sirens or helicopters arriving at The Villages Regional Hospital for almost two weeks now. A close friend came back from a doctor’s appointment yesterday with the report that both hospitals in Tavares are closed to any new patients.

Tavares is the Lake County seat and the hospitals there are the next closest to The Villages. Other than the information that none of the hospitals anywhere near The Villages are doing elective surgeries and procedures, no reports on whether they’re even accepting new patients. And of course there’s not even a mention of COVID topics in The Villages Daily Sun. If anyone has current information in whether any of the hospitals in Ocala or other nearby hospitals are open to ER or other new patients, feel free to let us know.

But I guess it bears repeating… Stay well out there! It looks like we’re all pretty much on our own for awhile.

The need for nurses is getting desperate in hard hit areas.

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[Ben Franklin]

When I wear a Facemask I am helping to protect you. If you don't wear a facemask, you are are only concerned about one person. I wear a three layered mask. First layer is cloth, followed by a filter and then another piece of cloth. If I cough, it greatly reduces the distance my spital travels. If you cough, without a mask, your spital travels a much longer distance.

I found this video that demonstrates the different layers vs. no mask.

High speed camera captures how different types of face masks work - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNeYfUTA11s)

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Some questions just will never be answered!

Why do people who choose not to get vaccinated go to the hospital when they get sick?
It’s literally filled with people they don’t trust
:bigbow:

[EdFNJ]

I respectfully ask: What is your opinion? Should the U.S. restrict those coming from South of the border whose vaccination history is unknown? Not really because that is 90% political BS (note I said 90%), but the US (and local governments) should restrict ALL UNVACCINATED people whose medical history we do OR don't know from local restaurants, stores, rec centers, movie theaters, airplanes, cruises, buses and shows, sports arenas etc. It should restrict them from classrooms, public buildings and from anything else that will make our kids or grandparents or US sick. If the illegal immigrants who are unvaccinated are so awful because they allegedly spread covid all over the place why should those plain old unvaccinated "real Americans" be treated any better for doing the exact same thing?

[EdFNJ]

https://mobile.twitter.com/raheemkassam/status/1424806413474336769

Paste in your browser. Can't tell if this guy is 'an outlier.' He sure sounds like he has a lot of knowledge on the subject. GAME CHANGER. LMAO. Yes, if it's on Twitter and originally posted by Sebastian Gorka it has to be the truth!

[John41]

Not really because that is 90% political BS (note I said 90%), but the US (and local governments) should restrict ALL UNVACCINATED people whose medical history we do OR don't know from local restaurants, stores, rec centers, movie theaters, airplanes, cruises, buses and shows, sports arenas etc. It should restrict them from classrooms, public buildings and from anything else that will make our kids or grandparents or US sick. If the illegal immigrants who are unvaccinated are so awful because they allegedly spread covid all over the place why should those plain old unvaccinated "real Americans" be treated any better for doing the exact same thing?

Because they are Americans citizens a fact that seems to escape some. Even the Washington Post now decries the mess at the Southern border. Sweden a liberal country as well as every other major country has secure borders. Of course we can’t let in the refugees from Cuba says the head immigration honcho. Hmm!!! Failed leadership in the rollout this year, mixed messages, exceptions for the elite. A real mess.

[EdFNJ]

Because they are Americans citizens a fact that seems to escape some. Even the Washington Post now decries the mess at the Southern border. Sweden a liberal country as well as every other major country has secure borders. Of course we can’t let in the refugees from Cuba says the head immigration honcho. Hmm!!! Failed leadership in the rollout this year, mixed messages, exceptions for the elite. A real mess.
Ahh, I see. It's OK for unvaccinated American Citizens to infect other American people because we're Amercans. Got it. Thanks for clearing that up. The other stuff is all political crap.I don't care about Sweden, my grand-kids don't live there.

[Topspinmo]

Ahh, I see. It's OK for unvaccinated American Citizens to infect other American people because we're Amercans. Got it. Thanks for clearing that up. The other stuff is all political crap.I don't care about Sweden, my grand-kids don't live there.


The world in same boat. Want blame someone blame the one’s the enabled it to jump from animal to humans.

[EdFNJ]

The world in same boat. Want blame someone blame the one’s the enabled it to jump from animal to humans. HUH? What does that have to do with the price of pistachio nuts in Turkey on Thanksgiving? Please translate as your comment sounds like Tonto talking to the Lone Ranger :D . I wasn't blaming anyone. The post I initially responded to was. This place is getting nuttier by the hour. We all have way too much free time. ;)

[sshepard03]

Dana
Thanks for the vid. It adds some reality to Dr Stock.
One thing that became apparent from the vids is the vaccine does not protect you from Covid; It does protect you from very bad Covid symptoms. So you can still get Covid if you are vaccinated. Just the symptoms won't be as bad as if you were not vaccinated. Certainly each individual should consult their physician regarding getting the vaccine. As well, if a person chooses not to get the vaccine, we should not shame/bully them - it is a personal choice, same as getting the flu vaccine. Like the flu, I believe Covid is here to stay. The new normal is what you see in public today.

[Luggage]

Wife went to the brownwood ER on 44 yesterday morning. Fast service out in 3 hours. Next door neighbor went to Leesburg hospital emergency had surgery and is definitely staying at least overnight so I can tell you that it seems the hospitals around here still take customers. It's not a good time to get sick, go to the dentist or do anything elective. I would definitely hold off going into a place full of sick people

[Dotneko]

I wear masks at the airport and on the plane because I have to and that is it. I have been flying all over the country for work for several months. I have also been to the doctors and the dentists here and neither required a mask.
I am certainly not living my life in fear or restricting my movements. We all live on borrowed time. I am not staying home waiting to die. If covid gets me, so be it, but I dont want to regret not going to the beach.

[RICH1]

Very wise Grasshopper! You are spot on ! I love it

[Zenmama18]

Not really because that is 90% political BS (note I said 90%), but the US (and local governments) should restrict ALL UNVACCINATED people whose medical history we do OR don't know from local restaurants, stores, rec centers, movie theaters, airplanes, cruises, buses and shows, sports arenas etc. It should restrict them from classrooms, public buildings and from anything else that will make our kids or grandparents or US sick. If the illegal immigrants who are unvaccinated are so awful because they allegedly spread covid all over the place why should those plain old unvaccinated "real Americans" be treated any better for doing the exact same thing?

There are many more tourists and snowbirds coming into Florida and we don't check their vaccine status, not all new cases are driven by legal/illegal immigration.

[Eg_cruz]

Why do people who choose not to get vaccinated go to the hospital when they get sick?
It’s literally filled with people they don’t trust
It big Pharm they don’t trust………with cause. Big Pharm has lied and mislead doctors and people for 40 years. Can you say opium crisis and hormone replacement. Can you say Wuhan labs. So my question to you is why do you trust them. Follow the money and you will find your truths.

[Eg_cruz]

That is a great philosophy and I agree with it. However, this was on the subject of whether to risk getting the "mild case" or not. I do think that even if fully vaccinated we can get sick from the Delta Variant. I guess my question, my question to myself is....How sick IS the mild case? I don't like to catch a cold. It puts a hitch in my little plans to feel nice and no one likes to give a cold to someone else................

So. Do you think that living your life without fear is going to up your odds for catching the Delta Variant? It is VERY contagious and I already know of several Villagers who have caught it by being at rec centers.

So put aside the government. It looks like folks from both sides are catching this bug, even if they are vaccinated. How sick are they? Do you or I want to risk catching something that we can avoid????
You do realize that vax people are spreading the virus like wild fire.

[MDLNB]

Spent a whole year without the vaccination, living life as normal as possible. Didn't catch the virus or a cold. Was offered a mask at the entrance to Walmart the other day and refused it. Told the lady to give it to someone that felt they needed it. If you feel the need for a mask to enter Walmart or Publix why don't you order food on line and have someone put it in your car for you? I don't wear my mask anymore except at the doctor's office when I take the spouse. Usually I wait in the car instead of going inside. I don't take cruises, and never have so I don't care whether they wear masks, get vaccinated or stand on their heads and recite the AA creed.
I live my life normal unless someone else attempts to limit my liberty. I do not have a safe room and do not wear a mask when conversing with my neighbors on the street. Just giving a truthful answer to the question of how I cope with the virus hype today. Oh, and I attempt to social distance when I can because I have always liked to stay my distance from others. Never was much of a hugger type.

[coconutmama]

I wear a mask when required or requested, as I think it reassures a lot of people, and makes them feel safer.
We are doing pretty much as normal otherwise.
My biggest worry at moment is whether my Dahlias, will last until Saturdays Garden show, or my onions will be big enough to compete!
Virus is definitely on back burner at moment.

Oh, please send a photo of the Dahlias! Best of luck at the show

[coconutmama]

Not really because that is 90% political BS (note I said 90%), but the US (and local governments) should restrict ALL UNVACCINATED people whose medical history we do OR don't know from local restaurants, stores, rec centers, movie theaters, airplanes, cruises, buses and shows, sports arenas etc. It should restrict them from classrooms, public buildings and from anything else that will make our kids or grandparents or US sick. If the illegal immigrants who are unvaccinated are so awful because they allegedly spread covid all over the place why should those plain old unvaccinated "real Americans" be treated any better for doing the exact same thing?

Totally agree. Thank you for your post.

[tsmall22204]

That is a very good point.

[jbrown132]

Like the desk sergeant used to forewarn his cops going out on their shift on the old, popular TV series, “Hill Street Blues” ….”Stay safe out there.”

Maybe stay well might be more apropos here in The Villages, particularly if you get sick and need hospitalization. We haven’t heard sirens or helicopters arriving at The Villages Regional Hospital for almost two weeks now. A close friend came back from a doctor’s appointment yesterday with the report that both hospitals in Tavares are closed to any new patients.

Tavares is the Lake County seat and the hospitals there are the next closest to The Villages. Other than the information that none of the hospitals anywhere near The Villages are doing elective surgeries and procedures, no reports on whether they’re even accepting new patients. And of course there’s not even a mention of COVID topics in The Villages Daily Sun. If anyone has current information in whether any of the hospitals in Ocala or other nearby hospitals are open to ER or other new patients, feel free to let us know.

But I guess it bears repeating… Stay well out there! It looks like we’re all pretty much on our own for awhile.
This to shall pass.

[Hiltongrizz11]

And with all your vaccinations and protocols and hiding in your house you're still just susceptible to getting covid is anyone else whether they are vaccinated or not and whether they mask or not.
Hooray for you.

Do not think there is superiority in what you do

[Hiltongrizz11]

Why do people who choose not to get vaccinated go to the hospital when they get sick?
It’s literally filled with people they don’t trust


Why should people who smoke get medical treatment? Why should obese people get medical treatment? Why should anyone with any addiction ever get medical treatment?

You know what you are even saying?

[Mike193534]

“ At the doctors we are asked to wear them.”. I’m not a professional patient and visit Dr Office only when necessary. Does anyone have a Dr that doesn’t require masks on recent visits?

Yes just yesterday went to neurosurgeon and masks not required.

[ChicagoNative]

My partner and I have taken this seriously, right from jump, but I like to think we exercised what used to be known as common sense.

We try to separate messages from the messengers and vet each each piece of data before coming to conclusions.

If anyone read the mask efficacy study that was done in 2015 before everything became political, the data stated that unless one was wearing a properly fitted N95, that masks were essentially useless in preventing respiratory infection. Also, next time you’re at the grocery store, take a look at how many people wear their masks….loose, below the nose etc.

So, all the homemade cutesy cloth masks with clever political slogans are nothing more than psychological crutches or tools of virtue signaling used by the chattering classes, IMO.

That said, as we go about living the best normal lives we can, we will start carrying our N95s with us out in public indoor spaces in case we run into any mask nannies, even though we’ve both been fully vaxxed.

[Dilligas]

“ At the doctors we are asked to wear them.”. I’m not a professional patient and visit Dr Office only when necessary. Does anyone have a Dr that doesn’t require masks on recent visits?
Gee, do you think that is an indication of a problem?
Masks are protective, some far better than others, but vaccinations are the primary method of controlling and defeating the COVID virus and variants.
This is not a personal choice, one person cannot do it alone. If everyone is vaccinated the virus will diminish, like polio, chicken pox, diphtheria, etc……for which most Americans were vaccinated as children.
The “no government will tell me what to do” portion will hamper the fight.
This is not political, it is a major medical problem.
Yes, the southern border control is hurting our fight, but that is a additional fight.
Please get vaccinated. An extremely high percentage of new patients are those unvaccinated, and an even higher percentage of COVID deaths are those unvaccinated.

[MDLNB]

Not really because that is 90% political BS (note I said 90%), but the US (and local governments) should restrict ALL UNVACCINATED people whose medical history we do OR don't know from local restaurants, stores, rec centers, movie theaters, airplanes, cruises, buses and shows, sports arenas etc. It should restrict them from classrooms, public buildings and from anything else that will make our kids or grandparents or US sick. If the illegal immigrants who are unvaccinated are so awful because they allegedly spread covid all over the place why should those plain old unvaccinated "real Americans" be treated any better for doing the exact same thing?


WHY? Because it is OUR country and it was those that came from elsewhere that brought and still bring the virus into our country. If the virus did not originate here then it came from outside. That's why.

And there are lots of reasons for someone not to get vaccinated. They may not meet with your approval but they have the right to their opinion and reason. It's funny how SOME wish to treat illegal aliens better than their own countrymen.

[Pat2015]

I follow the science. Fauci quote- The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through the material.” Enough said!

[Lisanp@aol.com]

The hospitals are closed to elective inpatient and non time critical surgeries. In about a month this surge will fall off quickly. The problem is immigrants from South America both legal and illegal keep bringing in new Covid variants. Even the Washington Post has called the border policies a disaster. Many illegals want to stay in southern states like Texas and Florida so they are given $1000 and a one way bus ticket. Then they undercut the wages of Americans with low wage jobs or go on welfare.

The "problem" is that every un-vaccinated human gives the virus an opportunity to take hold and to mutate (get stronger) - not the "immigrants from South America". Do you think that the Australian borders are closed because of those pesky "immigrants from South America"? This "herd immunity" thing is virology - it means that there are not enough hosts for the virus to continue to propagate. Until we get there, this "surge" will certainly not go away in a month or so. These are virology facts, not liberal spin of COVID, and "natural immunity" does not protect you from Delta (or Lambda) or whatever variant this virus mutates to next. Masks, Vaccines - all of it - is just about stopping the virus from mutating, and if the immunity from the vaccines doesn't protect us from the next virus mutation we are all in very big trouble. So, to bring it back, as OP said be careful, be kind, and just think about the reaction of your actions. Don't not "live your life" - just realize we are still in a very severe pandemic, and all of our actions effect the lives of everyone around us. I want to enjoy my villages home too, not have to leave because its a virus hot spot, so try to "stay well out there"!

[Gizemo33]

We are sequestering again. By the way, the big wig recreational direct issue a statement that the Rec center employees are NOT required to wear masks. So we all should employ Social Distancing again and wear masks.

[Swoop]

The "problem" is that every un-vaccinated human gives the virus an opportunity to take hold and to mutate (get stronger) - not the "immigrants from South America". Do you think that the Australian borders are closed because of those pesky "immigrants from South America"? This "herd immunity" thing is virology - it means that there are not enough hosts for the virus to continue to propagate. Until we get there, this "surge" will certainly not go away in a month or so. These are virology facts, not liberal spin of COVID, and "natural immunity" does not protect you from Delta (or Lambda) or whatever variant this virus mutates to next. Masks, Vaccines - all of it - is just about stopping the virus from mutating, and if the immunity from the vaccines doesn't protect us from the next virus mutation we are all in very big trouble. So, to bring it back, as OP said be careful, be kind, and just think about the reaction of your actions. Don't not "live your life" - just realize we are still in a very severe pandemic, and all of our actions effect the lives of everyone around us. I want to enjoy my villages home too, not have to leave because its a virus hot spot, so try to "stay well out there"!

The “virology” fact is, that if you have had Covid, you are better protected from the variants than you would be if you’ve been vaccinated…

[Lisanp@aol.com]

The “virology” fact is, that if you have had Covid, you are better protected from the variants than you would be if you’ve been vaccinated…

I prefer to develop conclusions based on my own research from reputable scientific journals, not prime time news hosts.

Reduced sensitivity of SARS-CoV-2 variant Delta to antibody neutralization | Nature (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03777-9)

Yes, natural immunity did appear to be effective against early mutations of the virus - Alpha and Beta, but natural immunity is absolutely not effective against Delta. What source tells you that you are protected from Delta through natural immunity?

[SkBlogW]

I prefer to develop conclusions based on my own research from reputable scientific journals, not prime time news hosts.

Reduced sensitivity of SARS-CoV-2 variant Delta to antibody neutralization | Nature (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03777-9)

Yes, natural immunity did appear to be effective against early mutations of the virus - Alpha and Beta, but natural immunity is absolutely not effective against Delta. What source tells you that you are protected from Delta through natural immunity?

Israel Health Ministry

Their Delta wave began in May/June and is now going down.

More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.

Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated.

With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave.

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection? - Israel National News (https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762)

Dr. Marty Makary, a professor at John Hopkins School of Medicine, during an appearance on The Vince Coglianese Show, said individuals formerly infected with COVID-19 are seven times more likely then vaccinated people to fight off the virus.

“It appears that natural immunity is better against the Delta variant. When you get infected with COVID, your body’s immune system develops antibodies to the entire surface of the virus,” Makary said. “Not just the slight protein that the vaccines gives you, but the entire surface. And so you get a more diverse antibody portfolio in your system.”

Dr. Makary Says Natural Immunity Is More Effective Then Vaccine Immunity (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/dr-makary-says-natural-immunity-is-more-effective-then-vaccine-immunity/ar-AAMX3sM)

[Madelaine Amee]

Someone posted that I had an air of superiority regarding the wearing of masks, no not superiority just confidence in what science is telling us to do in order to stay safe.

I was one of those Mothers who took their child to the pediatrician and when he said they need a vaccine I did not argue. I had complete confidence that the doctor knew what he was talking about and was concerned for my child's well being.

Let me ask you, the UNVACCINATED - did you allow your child to be vaccinated for:

Diphtheria
Rubella
Measles
mumps
Polio
Tetanus
Whooping Cough

You must have trusted science then, so how is this different?

[ryoungs]

Why do people who choose not to get vaccinated go to the hospital when they get sick?
It’s literally filled with people they don’t trust

Good one Dana 1963. May I please post this on my Facebook page?:bigbow:

[Swoop]

I prefer to develop conclusions based on my own research from reputable scientific journals, not prime time news hosts.

Reduced sensitivity of SARS-CoV-2 variant Delta to antibody neutralization | Nature (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03777-9)

Yes, natural immunity did appear to be effective against early mutations of the virus - Alpha and Beta, but natural immunity is absolutely not effective against Delta. What source tells you that you are protected from Delta through natural immunity?

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection? - Israel National News (https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762)

[Swoop]

Someone posted that I had an air of superiority regarding the wearing of masks, no not superiority just confidence in what science is telling us to do in order to stay safe.

I was one of those Mothers who took their child to the pediatrician and when he said they need a vaccine I did not argue. I had complete confidence that the doctor knew what he was talking about and was concerned for my child's well being.

Let me ask you, the UNVACCINATED - did you allow your child to be vaccinated for:

Diphtheria
Rubella
Measles
mumps
Polio
Tetanus
Whooping Cough

You must have trusted science then, so how is this different?
The difference is, all the vaccines you listed are “traditional” vaccines. None of those are mRNA vaccines. In fact there is no historical use of mRNA vaccines and no long term studies of their potential side effects. It’s a new, unproven technology. Yes they have experimented with it for years - but without success. This is the largest vaccine trial in history.

[jmpate]

Like the desk sergeant used to forewarn his cops going out on their shift on the old, popular TV series, “Hill Street Blues” ….”Stay safe out there.”

Maybe stay well might be more apropos here in The Villages, particularly if you get sick and need hospitalization. We haven’t heard sirens or helicopters arriving at The Villages Regional Hospital for almost two weeks now. A close friend came back from a doctor’s appointment yesterday with the report that both hospitals in Tavares are closed to any new patients.

Tavares is the Lake County seat and the hospitals there are the next closest to The Villages. Other than the information that none of the hospitals anywhere near The Villages are doing elective surgeries and procedures, no reports on whether they’re even accepting new patients. And of course there’s not even a mention of COVID topics in The Villages Daily Sun. If anyone has current information in whether any of the hospitals in Ocala or other nearby hospitals are open to ER or other new patients, feel free to let us know.

But I guess it bears repeating… Stay well out there! It looks like we’re all pretty much on our own for awhile.

I've been in the healthcare field most of my adult life and I STAY AWAY from doctors, clinics, hospitals unless it's absolutely necessary. That being said, staying healthy (eating a balanced diet, exercise and good sleep) is the best way, IMHO, to stay out of these places!

[graciegirl]

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection? - Israel National News (https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762)

Approximately one out of ten died from Covid-9, those who contracted it and who were elderly. Nine lived if they caught it and they were in their eighties like me and my dear husband. I did the math for our Village when those figures came out a year ago March, when I first learned two friends, Sisters, Villagers had both gotten sick in March. One was hospitalized and on a ventilator and the other was very sick and was taken once to the hospital to be given fluids and then brought home.

Any way....I know there are 54 homes in our small village, and I sadly thought back then at the beginning, that two people would die, and I wondered who it would be? Some have two people living in a home and some have one and we have three.

Now a year later, I know that one did catch it and he passed away, another neighbor caught it a couple of weeks ago after getting both vaccinations and he recovered.

Of my close old friends in Ohio, three have died from Covid. One couple happily married to each other died within a week of each other before the vaccine became available.

I appreciate the kind wishes that began this thread to be safe. It has been a very scary and sad year for some.

[tvbound]

The hospitals are closed to elective inpatient and non time critical surgeries. In about a month this surge will fall off quickly. The problem is immigrants from South America both legal and illegal keep bringing in new Covid variants. Even the Washington Post has called the border policies a disaster. Many illegals want to stay in southern states like Texas and Florida so they are given $1000 and a one way bus ticket. Then they undercut the wages of Americans with low wage jobs or go on welfare.




omg!

While "OMG" is appropriate, it's not really all that surprising, given that there has always been (and will probably always be) a certain demographic, that immediately point to the brown (and black) people - for everything bad that happens. The ultimate irony being, that a lot of those leading the charge in pointing fingers for the sheeple - are also the same ones making a lot of money off of the reduced wages paid.

[jbartle1]

I wear masks at the airport and on the plane because I have to and that is it. I have been flying all over the country for work for several months. I have also been to the doctors and the dentists here and neither required a mask.
I am certainly not living my life in fear or restricting my movements. We all live on borrowed time. I am not staying home waiting to die. If covid gets me, so be it, but I dont want to regret not going to the beach.

Concerned about grand-children and others, hmmmm!

[Madelaine Amee]

The difference is, all the vaccines you listed are “traditional” vaccines. None of those are mRNA vaccines. In fact there is no historical use of mRNA vaccines and no long term studies of their potential side effects. It’s a new, unproven technology. Yes they have experimented with it for years - but without success. This is the largest vaccine trial in history.

I agree with you, but you have to START somewhere. I have seen movies and pictures of Polio and the dreadful life those patients lived until the Polio vaccine was discovered, someone had to be the first!

[Spalumbos62]

Like the desk sergeant used to forewarn his cops going out on their shift on the old, popular TV series, “Hill Street Blues” ….”Stay safe out there.”

Maybe stay well might be more apropos here in The Villages, particularly if you get sick and need hospitalization. We haven’t heard sirens or helicopters arriving at The Villages Regional Hospital for almost two weeks now. A close friend came back from a doctor’s appointment yesterday with the report that both hospitals in Tavares are closed to any new patients.

Tavares is the Lake County seat and the hospitals there are the next closest to The Villages. Other than the information that none of the hospitals anywhere near The Villages are doing elective surgeries and procedures, no reports on whether they’re even accepting new patients. And of course there’s not even a mention of COVID topics in The Villages Daily Sun. If anyone has current information in whether any of the hospitals in Ocala or other nearby hospitals are open to ER or other new patients, feel free to let us know.

But I guess it bears repeating… Stay well out there! It looks like we’re all pretty much on our own for awhile.


Thank you for the update, I was wondering how all my fellow Villagers were doing, just bc allot of us head north for the summer doesn't mean we aren't concerned about you guys...especially when you keep making the news.
So, seriously, how are the village people handling this delta crap? Is it back to last March habits, is everyone masking, staying home? Are things closing?
Trust me, we are all thinking about you, and yes, please stay safe.

[Swoop]

Approximately one out of ten died from Covid-9, those who contracted it and who were elderly. Nine lived if they caught it and they were in their eighties like me and my dear husband. I did the math for our Village when those figures came out a year ago March, when I first learned two friends, Sisters, Villagers had both gotten sick in March. One was hospitalized and on a ventilator and the other was very sick and was taken once to the hospital to be given fluids and then brought home.

Any way....I know there are 54 homes in our small village, and I sadly thought back then at the beginning, that two people would die, and I wondered who it would be? Some have two people living in a home and some have one and we have three.

Now a year later, I know that one did catch it and he passed away, another neighbor caught it a couple of weeks ago after getting both vaccinations and he recovered.

Of my close old friends in Ohio, three have died from Covid. One couple happily married to each other died within a week of each other before the vaccine became available.

I appreciate the kind wishes that began this thread to be safe. It has been a very scary and sad year for some.
I have repeatedly said that if I were in the high risk group, I would opt to be vaccinated. The reward would outweigh the risk. However, given the lack of any historical data on the long term effects of mRNA vaccines, and based on my age and health, I choose not to be vaccinated. And I find the idea of vaccinating children 0-12, who are in no real danger from the virus, to be utterly disgusting, given that no one knows what the long term effects will be.

[Spalumbos62]

The hospitals are closed to elective inpatient and non time critical surgeries. In about a month this surge will fall off quickly. The problem is immigrants from South America both legal and illegal keep bringing in new Covid variants. Even the Washington Post has called the border policies a disaster. Many illegals want to stay in southern states like Texas and Florida so they are given $1000 and a one way bus ticket. Then they undercut the wages of Americans with low wage jobs or go on welfare.

????, I have heard nothing of this...your source...

[graciegirl]

While "OMG" is appropriate, it's not really all that surprising, given that there has always been (and will probably always be) a certain demographic, that immediately point to the brown (and black) people - for everything bad that happens. The ultimate irony being, that a lot of those leading the charge in pointing fingers for the sheeple - are also the same ones making a lot of money off of the reduced wages paid.

It is very hard sometimes not to jump to conclusions when we watch the news and read the statistics. I am annoyed that summary judgments are made, they are often unfair, but people often must make quick and snap judgments that are unfair to protect themselves. I have grown tired of the glassed over look that many young people have for old people. I think it unfair to be dismissed and judged as part of a group, but many my age are loosing some of their abilities to perceive.

Some prejudices do have some basis in truth whether we like it or not. We have to keep a generous spirit, a kind heart and common sense. It seems that morality is slipping everywhere.

[Spalumbos62]

I'll do what I feel is correct and if you don't agree you'll still never know if the person beside you has the vaccine or not. If you don't wipe down every package, letter and contents you can still get the virus...same for your fruit and grocery packaging. And while there might be a few that go to these extremes they are by no means a majority. Good luck.

I'll depend on the facts they can actually prove(and not a ballpark guess). Being a sheep is easy. Being independent and smart takes a bit more work.

Being dead is easy also. Most prefer to do whatever they have to not to go there..ie: shot, mask, and distance.

[Swoop]

I agree with you, but you have to START somewhere. I have seen movies and pictures of Polio and the dreadful life those patients lived until the Polio vaccine was discovered, someone had to be the first!
Polio is a bad example. Polio effected the young and old & the healthy and sick indiscriminately. Covid impacts primarily overweight people in poor health. Those in high risk categories should opt to be vaccinated. If you’re not in a high risk category, why risk taking a vaccine, with a new technology, that has had NO long term studies?

[MDLNB]

According to the FL Covid dashboard site, the following ages have been vaccinated in FL:

50-59 =69%
60-64 = 78%
65+ = 85%

I don't pretend to know how many have survived Covid in FL and do not need to be vaccinated at this time, but seems to me that some of the Chicken Littles on here need to relax. Once they open vaccinations for children under 12yo then the percentage will climb significantly. CHILL!!

[Viperguy]

FYI

Florida coronavirus cases and deaths | USAFacts (https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/state/florida)

[MDLNB]

Being dead is easy also. Most prefer to do whatever they have to not to go there..ie: shot, mask, and distance.


You are totally correct. Some folks won't enter water for fear of drowning, drive a motorcycle for fear of having an accident, won't para sail, rock climb, etc. I have a friend that won't visit Florida because his wife is scared of 'gators. All these things that kill people and yet we are still over populated. Whodafigured?

[MDLNB]

FYI

Florida coronavirus cases and deaths | USAFacts (https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/state/florida)


How many died of SNAKE BITES, viper guy? :icon_wink::MOJE_whot::)

[Spalumbos62]

WHY? Because it is OUR country and it was those that came from elsewhere that brought and still bring the virus into our country. If the virus did not originate here then it came from outside. That's why.

And there are lots of reasons for someone not to get vaccinated. They may not meet with your approval but they have the right to their opinion and reason. It's funny how SOME wish to treat illegal aliens better than their own countrymen.

You really don't get it...

[jbartle1]

I have repeatedly said that if I were in the high risk group, I would opt to be vaccinated. The reward would outweigh the risk. However, given the lack of any historical data on the long term effects of mRNA vaccines, and based on my age and health, I choose not to be vaccinated. And I find the idea of vaccinating children 0-12, who are in no real danger from the virus, to be utterly disgusting, given that no one knows what the long term effects will be.

I don't pretend to know more than the CDC or FDA.

[Lisanp@aol.com]

Israel Health Ministry

Their Delta wave began in May/June and is now going down.

More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.

Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated.

With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave.

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection? - Israel National News (https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762)

Dr. Marty Makary, a professor at John Hopkins School of Medicine, during an appearance on The Vince Coglianese Show, said individuals formerly infected with COVID-19 are seven times more likely then vaccinated people to fight off the virus.

“It appears that natural immunity is better against the Delta variant. When you get infected with COVID, your body’s immune system develops antibodies to the entire surface of the virus,” Makary said. “Not just the slight protein that the vaccines gives you, but the entire surface. And so you get a more diverse antibody portfolio in your system.”

Dr. Makary Says Natural Immunity Is More Effective Then Vaccine Immunity (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/dr-makary-says-natural-immunity-is-more-effective-then-vaccine-immunity/ar-AAMX3sM)

What peer reviewed journal was this study published in? In answer is none because it would never be accepted for publication in a peer reviewed journal as the premise is flawed.

"More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases."

With the population of Israel being 8,803,609 people and with 66% of the population being vaccinated, that is about 5,810,382 people. "With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus" that is about 9% of the population. So what is this article is saying? 72 cases in 9% of the population previously infected is better than 7628 cases in 8,803,609 people? They are comparing apples to oranges and the data is flawed.

BTW, 3,500 new cases per day are being reported in Israel so "More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May" is just false data. 7700 new cases is about three days - not since May.

I'm going outside now, but you do you and keep reading nonsense on the internet.

[MDLNB]

No COVID related deaths reported on Aug 9th. Positive is a negative thing on here, right?

[Swoop]

I prefer to develop conclusions based on my own research from reputable scientific journals, not prime time news hosts.

Reduced sensitivity of SARS-CoV-2 variant Delta to antibody neutralization | Nature (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03777-9)

Yes, natural immunity did appear to be effective against early mutations of the virus - Alpha and Beta, but natural immunity is absolutely not effective against Delta. What source tells you that you are protected from Delta through natural immunity?

So, what source tells you that natural immunity is ineffective against Delta?!?

[MDLNB]

Spalumbos62
You really don't get it...


Or more to the point, maybe I DO get it. Bailing a boat out is only going to be successful IF you stop the leak (or in this case the source).

[ChicagoNative]

From CDC:

mRNA Vaccines Are New, But Not Unknown
Researchers have been studying and working with mRNA vaccines for decades. Interest has grown in these vaccines because they can be developed in a laboratory using readily available materials. This means the process can be standardized and scaled up, making vaccine development faster than traditional methods of making vaccines.

mRNA vaccines have been studied before for flu, Zika, rabies, and cytomegalovirus (CMV). As soon as the necessary information about the virus that causes COVID-19 was available, scientists began designing the mRNA instructions for cells to build the unique spike protein into an mRNA vaccine.

Future mRNA vaccine technology may allow for one vaccine to provide protection for multiple diseases, thus decreasing the number of shots needed for protection against common vaccine-preventable diseases.

[SkBlogW]

What peer reviewed journal was this study published in? In answer is none because it would never be accepted for publication in a peer reviewed journal as the premise is flawed.

BTW, 3,500 new cases per day are being reported in Israel so "More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May" is just false data. 7700 new cases is about three days - not since May.

I'm going outside now, but you do you and keep reading nonsense on the internet.

I didn't tell you it was a "study" It's simply data reported by the Israel Heath Ministry. This info has been published by many including WAPO and NYT. The article does not give the dates that they used, but from May 1 till July 15 Israel had a total of about 7000 cases, when the Delta wave started ramping up. Do you think the Israel Health Ministry is lying???

See my other thread about Mayo Clinic study on Delta resistance to vaccines.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/medical-health-discussion-94/mayo-clinic-vaccine-effectiveness-against-delta-dropping-322701/

[Ben Franklin]

From CDC:

mRNA Vaccines Are New, But Not Unknown
Researchers have been studying and working with mRNA vaccines for decades. Interest has grown in these vaccines because they can be developed in a laboratory using readily available materials. This means the process can be standardized and scaled up, making vaccine development faster than traditional methods of making vaccines.

mRNA vaccines have been studied before for flu, Zika, rabies, and cytomegalovirus (CMV). As soon as the necessary information about the virus that causes COVID-19 was available, scientists began designing the mRNA instructions for cells to build the unique spike protein into an mRNA vaccine.

Future mRNA vaccine technology may allow for one vaccine to provide protection for multiple diseases, thus decreasing the number of shots needed for protection against common vaccine-preventable diseases.

I posted this video last week under Medical Talk, if anyone is interested in mRNA. As for long term studies, it would take 5 years to get the results.

Also, when 150 million people in the US are still unvaccinated, you can't blame the spread of the Delta variant solely on those crossing the southern border. Btw, every person from Canada to the southern tip of South America are Americans, a small detail, that is often overlooked.

Kathryn A. Whitehead: The tiny balls of fat that could revolutionize medicine | TED Talk (https://www.ted.com/talks/kathryn_a_whitehead_the_tiny_balls_of_fat_that_cou ld_revolutionize_medicine?medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&campaign=social&content=2021-8-05&fbclid=IwAR1aUFsJlBrKyk3r1uz9W23DS1I-rMLOXmIXlVVexXzSWmU9LTQ_p0cjHN0#t-668151)

[Joelack99]

That is true, but it is also true of the original variant of Covid if you take the time to actually research the science instead of relying upon the news programs. The cloth masks and many, probably most, of the paper masks you see people wearing provide little, if any, protection against Covid and its variants.

My cloth mask doesn’t protect me very much. It does protect you from asymptomatic me pretty well. Please wear yours for those around you. Thanks!

[SkBlogW]

I posted this video last week under Medical Talk, if anyone is interested in mRNA. As for long term studies, it would take 5 years to get the results.

Also, when 150 million people in the US are still unvaccinated, you can't blame the spread of the Delta variant solely on those crossing the southern border. Btw, every person from Canada to the southern tip of South America are Americans, a small detail, that is often overlooked.

Kathryn A. Whitehead: The tiny balls of fat that could revolutionize medicine | TED Talk (https://www.ted.com/talks/kathryn_a_whitehead_the_tiny_balls_of_fat_that_cou ld_revolutionize_medicine?medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&campaign=social&content=2021-8-05&fbclid=IwAR1aUFsJlBrKyk3r1uz9W23DS1I-rMLOXmIXlVVexXzSWmU9LTQ_p0cjHN0#t-668151)

Add over 100 million covid survivors with immunity to your 150 million vaccinated. Now subtract 50 million from our population of kids under 12 who currently can't get vaccine.

[Two Bills]

No COVID related deaths reported on Aug 9th. Positive is a negative thing on here, right?

There were none on the 7th. or 8th either on the chart.
Probably because the numbers are entered weekly to get a seven day average.
Next update 16th.

[Ben Franklin]

Add over 100 million covid survivors with immunity to your 150 million vaccinated. Now subtract 50 million from our population of kids under 12 who currently can't get vaccine.

I don't look for a political reason, and this is all I will say on the subject. The Delta variant sought out the path of least resistance, the unvaccinated, and as the numbers grew, it started infecting the vaccinated. The vaccinated can now also pass on the Delta variant, but the vaccinated don't get as sick and, yes, a very, very few vaccinated people die. Those who caught Covid last year, probably don't have immunity any longer, especially to the Delta variant.

By the way, estimated population of the US is 330 plus million. Enjoy your day.

[KyWoman]

Someone posted that I had an air of superiority regarding the wearing of masks, no not superiority just confidence in what science is telling us to do in order to stay safe.

I was one of those Mothers who took their child to the pediatrician and when he said they need a vaccine I did not argue. I had complete confidence that the doctor knew what he was talking about and was concerned for my child's well being.

Let me ask you, the UNVACCINATED - did you allow your child to be vaccinated for:

Diphtheria
Rubella
Measles
mumps
Polio
Tetanus
Whooping Cough

You must have trusted science then, so how is this different?

One difference is that the vaccines you mentioned have gone through clinical trials and are FDA approved. The Covid-19 vaccines are not FDA approved and we are all participating in the Clinical Trials. I am vaccinated and will continue to lead my active lifestyle. If I was as fearful of the virus as some seem to be, I would stay in my house until this latest round passed. We all have choices.

[SkBlogW]

I don't look for a political reason, and this is all I will say on the subject. The Delta variant sought out the path of least resistance, the unvaccinated, and as the numbers grew, it started infecting the vaccinated. The vaccinated can now also pass on the Delta variant, but the vaccinated don't get as sick and, yes, a very, very few vaccinated people die. Those who caught Covid last year, probably don't have immunity any longer, especially to the Delta variant.

By the way, estimated population of the US is 330 plus million. Enjoy your day.

The data from Israel, which is very recent, shows that covid immunity of survivors is stronger than those vaccinated.

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection? - Israel National News (https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762)

[Hancie2]

My wife and I caught the bug early this year. Symptoms very similar to the flu, which I get every year even with the flu shot. My doctor prescribed a lab test to verify for the virus, we did get it and the lab results showed it. It also showed positivity for antibodies. I respect everyone's opinions on the subject, but I am enjoying my life and will keep living it.

Your fortunate. I have had two different friends in the Villages who got it and are no longer enjoying their lives..RIP.

[Waltdisney4life]

The sky is falling!!!

[MDLNB]

I posted this video last week under Medical Talk, if anyone is interested in mRNA. As for long term studies, it would take 5 years to get the results.

Also, when 150 million people in the US are still unvaccinated, you can't blame the spread of the Delta variant solely on those crossing the southern border. Btw, every person from Canada to the southern tip of South America are Americans, a small detail, that is often overlooked.

Kathryn A. Whitehead: The tiny balls of fat that could revolutionize medicine | TED Talk (https://www.ted.com/talks/kathryn_a_whitehead_the_tiny_balls_of_fat_that_cou ld_revolutionize_medicine?medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&campaign=social&content=2021-8-05&fbclid=IwAR1aUFsJlBrKyk3r1uz9W23DS1I-rMLOXmIXlVVexXzSWmU9LTQ_p0cjHN0#t-668151)


There are 74 million children under age 18 in the US. Over 71 million Americans have had the virus. Check my math if you wish but I think that comes to around 145 million count so far. That pretty much accounts for the 150 million not vaccinated.
Of the folks most vulnerable to the virus (65+) 85% of Floridians have been vaccinated.
Time to quit the panic and CHILL.

[Barborv]

No one can tell you how to live your life(as long as it's legal) !! If you choose to do things that put you at risk, so be it. There is no reason you can't do the things you enjoy being safe. Outdoors in non crowded areas, don't wear a mask, but indoors , wear one. I spent this past year in my Long Island school wearing a mask all day except for my lunch break. If the kids can do it, so can you. I work with students with disabilities and autism and they managed well wearing their masks. Now I will have to do it again for this year. I was in my home in TV these last past weeks for the summer and I did feel like the virus never existed. I also went maskless. It took a day or two to get used to it. Now that I'm back home and the hype of this new variant, I will wear my mask in crowded places and indoor.

[MDLNB]

No one can tell you how to live your life(as long as it's legal) !! If you choose to do things that put you at risk, so be it. There is no reason you can't do the things you enjoy being safe. Outdoors in non crowded areas, don't wear a mask, but indoors , wear one. I spent this past year in my Long Island school wearing a mask all day except for my lunch break. If the kids can do it, so can you. I work with students with disabilities and autism and they managed well wearing their masks. Now I will have to do it again for this year. I was in my home in TV these last past weeks for the summer and I did feel like the virus never existed. I also went maskless. It took a day or two to get used to it. Now that I'm back home and the hype of this new variant, I will wear my mask in crowded places and indoor.


No one is banning the wearing of masks. If you think that a mask will ward off the dreaded Covid monster, then go for it. Personally, I don't put much stock in these cheap masks, but I do have a military gas mask that I can wear if things get serious. I also have a mask that I used for stripping lead paint off old furniture that is rated above the 95 level. I don't wear a mask unless I am entering a medical facility. My choice. Everyone should do what they believe makes them happy and safe. I feel safe right now. I've had no one drop dead around me from the virus, even though I have been around plenty of folks that said they have had the virus and survived. I do not wear a mask for my safety. I wear a mask only so that others will have that warm and fuzzy feeling IF I need to go somewhere that requires a mask.

[golfing eagles]

One difference is that the vaccines you mentioned have gone through clinical trials and are FDA approved. The Covid-19 vaccines are not FDA approved and we are all participating in the Clinical Trials. I am vaccinated and will continue to lead my active lifestyle. If I was as fearful of the virus as some seem to be, I would stay in my house until this latest round passed. We all have choices.

And to all those that have posted "it's experimental" or it "isn't FDA approved", I'll repeat what I've been posting for a month---that final FDA approval is merely a bureaucratic process. So yesterday, on channel 9 news, for the first time, they reported that "Final FDA approval is merely a paper process mired down in bureaucratic red tape" So much for that excuse, I'll bet the anti-vaxxers who have been using that one now migrate to the "unknown long term effects" excuse.

[Bucco]

And to all those that have posted "it's experimental" or it "isn't FDA approved", I'll repeat what I've been posting for a month---that final FDA approval is merely a bureaucratic process. So yesterday, on channel 9 news, for the first time, they reported that "Final FDA approval is merely a paper process mired down in bureaucratic red tape" So much for that excuse, I'll bet the anti-vaxxers who have been using that one now migrate to the "unknown long term effects" excuse.

This “ movement” to badmouth these vaccines.....

Is it ANTI vaccine or ANTI United States Government ?

Hard to tell where one begins and/or ends.

[golfing eagles]

This “ movement” to badmouth these vaccines.....

Is it ANTI vaccine or ANTI United States Government ?

Hard to tell where one begins and/or ends.

Was that a response to my post that was quoted? If so, it needs to be read again, ty

[tvbound]

This “ movement” to badmouth these vaccines.....

Is it ANTI vaccine or ANTI United States Government ?

Hard to tell where one begins and/or ends.

I think it's more 'PRO-one certain individual,' who happens to actually be vaccinated - so go figure THAT one out. lol

[Bucco]

Was that a response to my post that was quoted? If so, it needs to be read again, ty

Sorry, it was in reply to your post, but I have noticed you have been very active in all these hundreds of threads. You seem knowledgable in what you say and logical.

These posts go on and on...I have zero medical knowledge but so much of what I read seems founded in a hate for our government, not medical knowledge.

The hate for the United States creates, for me, as much worry is my worry about COVID.

Sorry again for bothering.

[golfing eagles]

Sorry, it was in reply to your post, but I have noticed you have been very active in all these hundreds of threads. You seem knowledgable in what you say and logical.

These posts go on and on...I have zero medical knowledge but so much of what I read seems founded in a hate for our government, not medical knowledge.

The hate for the United States creates, for me, as much worry is my worry about COVID.

Sorry again for bothering.

Not a problem, I too am more concerned for the long term effects on our country than from this virus. As bad as COVID is, if you put it in historical perspective it is not the worst thing the human race has ever faced. But the damage to our way of life may become irreparable.

PS: You're right, these threads do drone on. But at this point if you google COVID, you get 262 million hits. Which means anyone with internet access can find a reference that supports their amateur opinion, no matter how bizarre or stupid it is. But at this point, we seem to be down to 2 main factions of "Dr. Googles" battling it out, with just a few weird outliers. From my perspective, it is quite amusing , in a black humor way.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Because they are Americans citizens a fact that seems to escape some. Even the Washington Post now decries the mess at the Southern border. Sweden a liberal country as well as every other major country has secure borders. Of course we can’t let in the refugees from Cuba says the head immigration honcho. Hmm!!! Failed leadership in the rollout this year, mixed messages, exceptions for the elite. A real mess.

Ah okay, that makes so much more sense.

Americans have the RIGHT to spread a virus, and get sick, or die.
Illegals don't.

Freedom to spread disease and overwhelm the hospitals is strictly an American right.

Got it.

Please - if you think you are getting sick, stay home. You don't trust doctors, the virus is a hoax, it's all fake news, and it's all the illegals' fault and therefore you can't POSSIBLY need medical attention at all.

[Bucco]

Not a problem, I too am more concerned for the long term effects on our country than from this virus. As bad as COVID is, if you put it in historical perspective it is not the worst thing the human race has ever faced. But the damage to our way of life may become irreparable.

PS: You're right, these threads do drone on. But at this point if you google COVID, you get 262 million hits. Which means anyone with internet access can find a reference that supports their amateur opinion, no matter how bizarre or stupid it is. But at this point, we seem to be down to 2 main factions of "Dr. Googles" battling it out, with just a few weird outliers. From my perspective, it is quite amusing , in a black humor way.

Thanks for understanding.

I, like you, am so worried about our future. COVID, with Gods help will get under control.

The hurt to the United States very much concerns me, and the more I read, the more concerned I get with it, and the genesis of all the hate for the USA.

Nobody even condemns the utter nonsense being said and passed through TOTV. It is accepted and by doing that becomes validated.

Thanks for responding

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

As for what I'm personally doing:

I've been fully vaccinated since April 20. I'll gladly take the third Pfizer shot if/when the CDC recommends it to my demographic (not at risk, never tested or symptomatic for COVID, not a first responder or essential worker, 60 years old).

I keep a mask in each vehicle, and in my pocketbook. If I'm asked to wear a mask inside a building, I will. If I'm instructed to wear a mask, I will, without feeling like "muh freedumbs" are being violated. To me it's no more or less a violation of "muh freedumbs" as "no shirt, no shoes, no service."

It's an inconvenience. I hate wearing a mask. But if I'm trading an inconvenience for peace of mind for my fellow human being, I'm happy to oblige. That's whether or not it's effective. I don't even care if it's effective anymore.