Why Savannah Center ?

[Penglobal]

Both myself and two friends attended a concert at the Savannah Center Performing Arts Theater in the Villages last night. The Savannah Center is a beautiful venue, everyone working the venue was very nice and polite and the guest appeared to have a great time. Although I have a very positive vibe towards the Savannah Center, I am bit let down that this great venue has declined to enforce social distancing and declined enforcing a mask mandate while its guest are indoors and especially when so many guest are squeezed together in such a tight space.

I was amazed that the venue with approximately 600 guest were tightly squeezed together, sitting next to one another and hardly anyone, except for a handful were wearing protective mask. No one was socially distancing themselves and in my opinion, all the progress made with the declining COVID infection rate will be lost and the rate of COVID infection will rise again.

Since I'm certain this same scenario of not properly protecting ourselves while indoors in public and still many haven't even vaccinated themselves against COVID is occurring throughout our country, I get this bad feeling that come this winter, our country is going back to another lockdown as we haven't learn yet to protect ourselves.

[Neils]

Enjoy your opinion. Not everyone else shares it
Wear your mask if you want to.

Still a (barely) free country.

[ROCKMUP]

You know what they say about opinions, right ?

[JoMar]

Both myself and two friends attended a concert at the Savannah Center Performing Arts Theater in the Villages last night. The Savannah Center is a beautiful venue, everyone working the venue was very nice and polite and the guest appeared to have a great time. Although I have a very positive vibe towards the Savannah Center, I am bit let down that this great venue has declined to enforce social distancing and declined enforcing a mask mandate while its guest are indoors and especially when so many guest are squeezed together in such a tight space.

I was amazed that the venue with approximately 600 guest were tightly squeezed together, sitting next to one another and hardly anyone, except for a handful were wearing protective mask. No one was socially distancing themselves and in my opinion, all the progress made with the declining COVID infection rate will be lost and the rate of COVID infection will rise again.

Since I'm certain this same scenario of not properly protecting ourselves while indoors in public and still many haven't even vaccinated themselves against COVID is occurring throughout our country, I get this bad feeling that come this winter, our country is going back to another lockdown as we haven't learn yet to protect ourselves.

Since masks do little if anything to protect me, since vaccines are readily available and since vaccinated my odds of serious illness or death are low I don't feel an obligation to be responsible for those that choose to take the risks and ignore the opportunities to protect themselves. As an aside, you might want to avoid the Sharon since they also have gone back to full seating.

[Kenswing]

The beautiful thing about choices is that if you're uncomfortable with the way they do things, you are allowed not to attend.

[golfing eagles]

Both myself and two friends attended a concert at the Savannah Center Performing Arts Theater in the Villages last night. The Savannah Center is a beautiful venue, everyone working the venue was very nice and polite and the guest appeared to have a great time. Although I have a very positive vibe towards the Savannah Center, I am bit let down that this great venue has declined to enforce social distancing and declined enforcing a mask mandate while its guest are indoors and especially when so many guest are squeezed together in such a tight space.

I was amazed that the venue with approximately 600 guest were tightly squeezed together, sitting next to one another and hardly anyone, except for a handful were wearing protective mask. No one was socially distancing themselves and in my opinion, all the progress made with the declining COVID infection rate will be lost and the rate of COVID infection will rise again.

Since I'm certain this same scenario of not properly protecting ourselves while indoors in public and still many haven't even vaccinated themselves against COVID is occurring throughout our country, I get this bad feeling that come this winter, our country is going back to another lockdown as we haven't learn yet to protect ourselves.

So stay home. I think you'll find that the shows are extremely well attended without a "mask mandate", so it is quite possible that you just expressed the minority opinion.

[SkBlogW]

The mask Nazis have lost the war in heavily vaccinated TV

[biker1]

While there is a little slop in the CDC numbers, I suspect well over 90% of the people attending have been vaccinated. The number for those over 65, and especially those living in The Villages, is very high.

Both myself and two friends attended a concert at the Savannah Center Performing Arts Theater in the Villages last night. The Savannah Center is a beautiful venue, everyone working the venue was very nice and polite and the guest appeared to have a great time. Although I have a very positive vibe towards the Savannah Center, I am bit let down that this great venue has declined to enforce social distancing and declined enforcing a mask mandate while its guest are indoors and especially when so many guest are squeezed together in such a tight space.

I was amazed that the venue with approximately 600 guest were tightly squeezed together, sitting next to one another and hardly anyone, except for a handful were wearing protective mask. No one was socially distancing themselves and in my opinion, all the progress made with the declining COVID infection rate will be lost and the rate of COVID infection will rise again.

Since I'm certain this same scenario of not properly protecting ourselves while indoors in public and still many haven't even vaccinated themselves against COVID is occurring throughout our country, I get this bad feeling that come this winter, our country is going back to another lockdown as we haven't learn yet to protect ourselves.

[Penglobal]

So stay home. I think you'll find that the shows are extremely well attended without a "mask mandate", so it is quite possible that you just expressed the minority opinion.


So when is a minority opinion given less credence than the majority opinion?
I believe the majority opinion disregarding indoor mask mandates are both morally wrong and against medical opinion.

Back in the early 1940's, a majority of German nationals believed that all Jews should be executed. Back in the early 1950's, a majority of Southerners still believed in slavery.
My point, a majority opinion doesn't make it right.

[Topspinmo]

So when is a minority opinion given less credence than the majority opinion?
I believe the majority opinion disregarding indoor mask mandates are both morally wrong and against medical opinion.

Back in the early 1940's, a majority of German nationals believed that all Jews should be executed. Back in the early 1950's, a majority of Southerners still believed in slavery.
My point, a majority opinion doesn't make it right.

Opinion again.

[Road-Runner]

So when is a minority opinion given less credence than the majority opinion?
I believe the majority opinion disregarding indoor mask mandates are both morally wrong and against medical opinion.

Back in the early 1940's, a majority of German nationals believed that all Jews should be executed. Back in the early 1950's, a majority of Southerners still believed in slavery.
My point, a majority opinion doesn't make it right.

Wow, a Nazi analogy and grossly overstated slur against southerners to make your point? I'll bet you're 100% OK with what's going on right now because "elections have consequences". They surely do, regardless of what the voters in the minority think.

[Joe V.]

Both myself and two friends attended a concert at the Savannah Center Performing Arts Theater in the Villages last night.


"Both myself and two friends...", ouch, cringe worthy. 'My two friends and I', if you please. Also, you can only be one of yourself.

[Garywt]

So I believe Florida has lifted all precautions against Covid-19 and people are going with it. Anyone can still wear a mask if they choice and anyone can be vaccinated. There are places that are starting to require proof of vaccination to enter an inside venue. Not sure if Florida ever will do that but these places are requiring the vaccination card to enter shows, restaurants etc. Other not vaccinated can attend outside venues or stay home, their choice.

[golfing eagles]

So when is a minority opinion given less credence than the majority opinion?
I believe the majority opinion disregarding indoor mask mandates are both morally wrong and against medical opinion.

Back in the early 1940's, a majority of German nationals believed that all Jews should be executed. Back in the early 1950's, a majority of Southerners still believed in slavery.
My point, a majority opinion doesn't make it right.

Seriously? It was a small minority of Germans that felt that way, and probably an even smaller number of Southerners. And the amount of "credence" given to the minority opinion depends on the circumstances. Since 600+ people felt that a mask was not needed and one did, you know what that implies. So, are we to take it that you would feel "safe" attending the shows if your opinion about masks was adopted by the administration and 600+ people were now forced to wear a mask so that one person felt "safe"?

[John41]

Both myself and two friends attended a concert at the Savannah Center Performing Arts Theater in the Villages last night. The Savannah Center is a beautiful venue, everyone working the venue was very nice and polite and the guest

Probably only about 200 could have attended if social distancing. Not enough to pay the performers. Did you leave or stay for the show?

[Joe V.]

Did you leave or stay for the show?

Great question! Can not wait for the reply.

[Happinow]

Both myself and two friends attended a concert at the Savannah Center Performing Arts Theater in the Villages last night. The Savannah Center is a beautiful venue, everyone working the venue was very nice and polite and the guest appeared to have a great time. Although I have a very positive vibe towards the Savannah Center, I am bit let down that this great venue has declined to enforce social distancing and declined enforcing a mask mandate while its guest are indoors and especially when so many guest are squeezed together in such a tight space.

I was amazed that the venue with approximately 600 guest were tightly squeezed together, sitting next to one another and hardly anyone, except for a handful were wearing protective mask. No one was socially distancing themselves and in my opinion, all the progress made with the declining COVID infection rate will be lost and the rate of COVID infection will rise again.

Since I'm certain this same scenario of not properly protecting ourselves while indoors in public and still many haven't even vaccinated themselves against COVID is occurring throughout our country, I get this bad feeling that come this winter, our country is going back to another lockdown as we haven't learn yet to protect ourselves.

If you are not comfortable in crowds, you may want to stay home.

[Villageswimmer]

Both myself and two friends attended a concert at the Savannah Center Performing Arts Theater in the Villages last night. The Savannah Center is a beautiful venue, everyone working the venue was very nice and polite and the guest appeared to have a great time. Although I have a very positive vibe towards the Savannah Center, I am bit let down that this great venue has declined to enforce social distancing and declined enforcing a mask mandate while its guest are indoors and especially when so many guest are squeezed together in such a tight space.

I was amazed that the venue with approximately 600 guest were tightly squeezed together, sitting next to one another and hardly anyone, except for a handful were wearing protective mask. No one was socially distancing themselves and in my opinion, all the progress made with the declining COVID infection rate will be lost and the rate of COVID infection will rise again.

Since I'm certain this same scenario of not properly protecting ourselves while indoors in public and still many haven't even vaccinated themselves against COVID is occurring throughout our country, I get this bad feeling that come this winter, our country is going back to another lockdown as we haven't learn yet to protect ourselves.


Sorry for your disappointment. I’m not a fan of being crowded in anywhere, particularly now. But, that’s me. I understand your concern, but did you inquire about seating and capacity before buying the tickets? Sounds like you made assumptions. Did you stay for the show?

[Escape Artist]

Ah, the neurotic preoccupations of those who have "plenty"!

[Mrprez]

Do Masks Work? Viral immunologist Dr. Byram Bridle performs a simple experiment to see. - YouTube (https://youtu.be/tIaul0U83d0)

[BlueStarAirlines]

I am bit let down that this great venue has declined to enforce social distancing and declined enforcing a mask mandate while its guest are indoors and especially when so many guest are squeezed together in such a tight space.


I'm guessing you were not a guest at Obama's birthday bash or one of the thousands at Lolapalooza?

[jack.hunter00@yahoo.com]

That's because this is The Villages. Community leadership towards this is just like to governor.

[golfing eagles]

That's because this is The Villages. Community leadership towards this is just like to governor.

Looks like some people just can't stop themselves from making a political statement regardless of the topic of the thread........

[Luggage]

I think there's another point here that everyone is missing and that is the psychology of the group think and the bullying. If everyone is walking off the cliff would you follow them because they're all doing it? Glad people feel comfortable for not wearing a mask, but I do know of many people whose children are now sick and are literally in comas this week because of covid

[golfing eagles]

I think there's another point here that everyone is missing and that is the psychology of the group think and the bullying. If everyone is walking off the cliff would you follow them because they're all doing it? Glad people feel comfortable for not wearing a mask, but I do know of many people whose children are now sick and are literally in comas this week because of covid

And that sucks, I hope they get better. But I doubt any of those children were attending an unmasked performance at Savannah Center, which is what the OP was fretting about.

[Pamelah]

Looks like some people just can't stop themselves from making a political statement regardless of the topic of the thread........
There are many holding their tongues not wishing to be accused of being political. However it is the simple truth, this post is all about politics and being good sheep.

[Pat2015]

Why would you go to a show at The Savannah Center where you knew there would be 600 people and zero possibility of social distancing at this venue, to then come on here and blast the place? I was at that show and had a wonderful time.

[WesMan]

Both myself and two friends attended a concert at the Savannah Center Performing Arts Theater in the Villages last night. The Savannah Center is a beautiful venue, everyone working the venue was very nice and polite and the guest appeared to have a great time. Although I have a very positive vibe towards the Savannah Center, I am bit let down that this great venue has declined to enforce social distancing and declined enforcing a mask mandate while its guest are indoors and especially when so many guest are squeezed together in such a tight space.

I was amazed that the venue with approximately 600 guest were tightly squeezed together, sitting next to one another and hardly anyone, except for a handful were wearing protective mask. No one was socially distancing themselves and in my opinion, all the progress made with the declining COVID infection rate will be lost and the rate of COVID infection will rise again.

Since I'm certain this same scenario of not properly protecting ourselves while indoors in public and still many haven't even vaccinated themselves against COVID is occurring throughout our country, I get this bad feeling that come this winter, our country is going back to another lockdown as we haven't learn yet to protect ourselves.
So stay home and watch your TV with your mask on!!! Did you have the COVID shots?????

[PugMom]

So when is a minority opinion given less credence than the majority opinion?
I believe the majority opinion disregarding indoor mask mandates are both morally wrong and against medical opinion.

Back in the early 1940's, a majority of German nationals believed that all Jews should be executed. Back in the early 1950's, a majority of Southerners still believed in slavery.
My point, a majority opinion doesn't make it right.

it remains a choice. some of us are sick of masks, & sick of hearing about them. the minority opinion is just that-a minority. @ the risk of repeating what is posted above- plan on staying home since you are unable to control the actions of others.

[Mohawksin]

While there is a little slop in the CDC numbers, I suspect well over 90% of the people attending have been vaccinated. The number for those over 65, and especially those living in The Villages, is very high.

>>there is a little slop in the CDC numbers, <<

[Hiltongrizz11]

It's likely you're disappointed with the social distancing and masking guidelines because those in charge don't agree with you.

What you've learned about masking in social distancing is most likely wrong. You see anyone can do it just make the choice and do it. Our governor and many people around here including those likely in charge of the Savannah Center believe in freedom of choice and not being forced by big government to do anything.

You should highly appreciate that as that's a big reason why you likely move to Florida if you start peeling away the onion and reasons for it.

[meridian5850]

Both myself and two friends attended a concert at the Savannah Center Performing Arts Theater in the Villages last night. The Savannah Center is a beautiful venue, everyone working the venue was very nice and polite and the guest appeared to have a great time. Although I have a very positive vibe towards the Savannah Center, I am bit let down that this great venue has declined to enforce social distancing and declined enforcing a mask mandate while its guest are indoors and especially when so many guest are squeezed together in such a tight space.

I was amazed that the venue with approximately 600 guest were tightly squeezed together, sitting next to one another and hardly anyone, except for a handful were wearing protective mask. No one was socially distancing themselves and in my opinion, all the progress made with the declining COVID infection rate will be lost and the rate of COVID infection will rise again.

Since I'm certain this same scenario of not properly protecting ourselves while indoors in public and still many haven't even vaccinated themselves against COVID is occurring throughout our country, I get this bad feeling that come this winter, our country is going back to another lockdown as we haven't learn yet to protect ourselves.

OP, you're under the mistaken impression that mask mandates are in effect here. Maybe you think you're in California?

[B-flat]

You know what they say about opinions, right ?

No please explain! :icon_wink:

[Larchap49]

Stay home stay masked

[FromNY]

Wonder how many hospital beds the area has available? This surge is hurting the medical facilities. And in turn hurts all of us. Stay safe how ever You choose.

[OhioBuckeye]

I try not to voice my opinion about getting the vaccine or not & wearing a mask or not. Some people get a little hateful when you say one way or another. It your right to do what you want!

[Dlbonivich]

If they social distance people the shows have to cancel. You can not make money on empty seats. If it bothers you do not go.

[dyendell]

Stay home if you are that paranoid. I had Covid and got the vaccines sonI will NEVER wear a mask again. Both myself and two friends attended a concert at the Savannah Center Performing Arts Theater in the Villages last night. The Savannah Center is a beautiful venue, everyone working the venue was very nice and polite and the guest appeared to have a great time. Although I have a very positive vibe towards the Savannah Center, I am bit let down that this great venue has declined to enforce social distancing and declined enforcing a mask mandate while its guest are indoors and especially when so many guest are squeezed together in such a tight space.

I was amazed that the venue with approximately 600 guest were tightly squeezed together, sitting next to one another and hardly anyone, except for a handful were wearing protective mask. No one was socially distancing themselves and in my opinion, all the progress made with the declining COVID infection rate will be lost and the rate of COVID infection will rise again.

Since I'm certain this same scenario of not properly protecting ourselves while indoors in public and still many haven't even vaccinated themselves against COVID is occurring throughout our country, I get this bad feeling that come this winter, our country is going back to another lockdown as we haven't learn yet to protect ourselves.

[Penglobal]

I try not to voice my opinion about getting the vaccine or not & wearing a mask or not. Some people get a little hateful when you say one way or another. It your right to do what you want!

Agree. I remember having this same silly argument back in the early 1970's when car seat belts became universally mandated and the norm. Many argued that wearing seat belts was a personal choice and some had the constitutional right not to wear a seat belt. Some also argued that they had the right to have their face go threw the windshield during a car crash if they choose.

[Topgun 1776]

Sounds like someone hasn't had their vaccinations. Hmmm.....

[Villagevip]

What, some 80% of villagers were deceived into partaking in the eugenics, N.W.O. JAB...Wondering, how many, after being informed of the massive toxicity of the jab, are now panicking? ,

[golfing eagles]

What, some 80% of villagers were deceived into partaking in the eugenics, N.W.O. JAB...Wondering, how many, after being informed of the massive toxicity of the jab, are now panicking? ,

Probably no one, since.......

It is not "eugenics"
It is not "N.W.O."
It is not "massively toxic"

So now I'm wondering, after being informed of the massive disinformation just posted, if anyone will remove their post, apologize, and never post garbage again. Probably no one, I'm afraid.

[Bob.Betty]

If you feel unsafe, stay home

[coffeebean]

Since masks do little if anything to protect me, since vaccines are readily available and since vaccinated my odds of serious illness or death are low I don't feel an obligation to be responsible for those that choose to take the risks and ignore the opportunities to protect themselves. As an aside, you might want to avoid the Sharon since they also have gone back to full seating.

Agree. Anyone who truly wishes to protect themselves in public should be wearing an N95 mask. Being vaccinated is super protection from severe illness, hospitalization and death. Just do it if you haven’t done it already.

[Bob.Betty]

I respectfully disagree, Masks will not end the virus

[golfing eagles]

I respectfully disagree, Masks will not end the virus

Agree, masks will not end the virus

The usual paper mask is essentially useless except for preventing one infected person from spreading COVID to many unvaccinated people, indoors when not socially distanced

For personal protection you would need a properly fitted N-95 mask or better; a NASA certified space suit or a level 4 lab biocontainment suit would be better

[Dana1963]

Both myself and two friends attended a concert at the Savannah Center Performing Arts Theater in the Villages last night. The Savannah Center is a beautiful venue, everyone working the venue was very nice and polite and the guest appeared to have a great time. Although I have a very positive vibe towards the Savannah Center, I am bit let down that this great venue has declined to enforce social distancing and declined enforcing a mask mandate while its guest are indoors and especially when so many guest are squeezed together in such a tight space.

I was amazed that the venue with approximately 600 guest were tightly squeezed together, sitting next to one another and hardly anyone, except for a handful were wearing protective mask. No one was socially distancing themselves and in my opinion, all the progress made with the declining COVID infection rate will be lost and the rate of COVID infection will rise again.

Since I'm certain this same scenario of not properly protecting ourselves while indoors in public and still many haven't even vaccinated themselves against COVID is occurring throughout our country, I get this bad feeling that come this winter, our country is going back to another lockdown as we haven't learn yet to protect ourselves.
We have been to a lot of entertainment venues for years small, large not really interested in seeing cover bands at Savanna when we have enjoyed the originals. Looking forward Eagles Concert TD Garden Boston I have my tickets and vaccination cards.

[coffeebean]

Do Masks Work? Viral immunologist Dr. Byram Bridle performs a simple experiment to see. - YouTube (https://youtu.be/tIaul0U83d0)

Certainly even one of those surgical masks can contain droplets from a cough or sneeze as those are the larger offenders that contain THOUSANDS of virus particles. Masking together with social distancing is what has been requested of us from the very beginning of this pandemic.

I have seen another video of a guy wearing several surgical masks, using infra red cameras and his “experiment” revealed the exact opposite of this guy. Barely any aerosols escaped the masks. With each removal of a mask, there were more aerosols spewed into the air but no where near the amount of aerosols with no mask at all.

Bottom line……this guy with the fogging up glasses did not convince me that masks do not work.

[coffeebean]

And that sucks, I hope they get better. But I doubt any of those children were attending an unmasked performance at Savannah Center, which is what the OP was fretting about.

Those kids are attending schools that do not have mask mandates and the little ones are not vaccinated. I see a huge problem with this.

[coffeebean]

If they social distance people the shows have to cancel. You can not make money on empty seats. If it bothers you do not go.

Broadway theaters are requiring either vaccination proof of a negative PCR test to enter the theater. Masks are also mandated. That is the safest way to go although, personally, I would prefer to ditch the masks for vaccinated people. There is so little risk of a vaccinated person to be contagious to others.

[coffeebean]

What, some 80% of villagers were deceived into partaking in the eugenics, N.W.O. JAB...Wondering, how many, after being informed of the massive toxicity of the jab, are now panicking? ,

No panicking here.

[golfing eagles]

Those kids are attending schools that do not have mask mandates and the little ones are not vaccinated. I see a huge problem with this.

I agree. Kids under 12 cannot get vaccinated (yet), and once a few kids are not wearing a mask, a lot of others will take theirs off if they can get away with it. Much better just to require they all wear one. And it is a lot easier to tell kids what to do than adults. I'm also not a fan of individual parents deciding whether their kid should wear a mask, or even individual school board. This should be a statewide or even national decision, so as to discourage all the "Dr. Googles" from doing their own (often stupid) thing.

[coffeebean]

I respectfully disagree, Masks will not end the virus

Who has said masks will end the virus? We all know that didn’t happen and never will because of non compliance. Vaccinations are the way to go.

[Jean G]

We were there last night and saw absolutely no issue with us being comfortable. I guess it’s a matter of personal perspective. We knew we were getting into before we got our tickets..

[Topspinmo]

Agree. I remember having this same silly argument back in the early 1970's when car seat belts became universally mandated and the norm. Many argued that wearing seat belts was a personal choice and some had the constitutional right not to wear a seat belt. Some also argued that they had the right to have their face go threw the windshield during a car crash if they choose.

You do know small percentage that don’t and never worn seat belts. Usually space challenged.

[kenoc7]

Enjoy your opinion. Not everyone else shares it
Wear your mask if you want to.

Still a (barely) free country.
What is a "free country?" What isn't a "free country?" Whether a country is "free" or not has - or should have - no connection to public health or safety measures. Free is about freedom of expression, religion, and political choices.

[blueash]

Agree, masks will not end the virus

The usual paper mask is essentially useless except for preventing one infected person from spreading COVID to many unvaccinated people, indoors when not socially distanced

For personal protection you would need a properly fitted N-95 mask or better; a NASA certified space suit or a level 4 lab biocontainment suit would be better

I completely agree with this post. Masks are not encouraged to be worn to protect the wearer, they are encouraged to prevent spread to others should you be infectious. But understanding that masks, as GE wrote, ARE EFFECTIVE for preventing one infectious person from spreading COVID to many "unvaccinated" people indoors when not socially distanced.. It behooves him and us to consider whether Delta changes the equation.

The data is strongly suggesting that Delta can infect vaccinated people at a much higher rate than previous variations of Covid. Further that while those vaccinated are still extremely well protected against becoming seriously ill, they shed virus at a rate very similar to unvaccinated infectious people.

I think the correct statement with Delta Covid should be that

The usual paper mask is useful for preventing one infected person from spreading COVID to many people, indoors when not socially distanced

That being the case and with Delta being so highly contagious it would be reasonable to require masking. Everyone seeing the data on the prevalence of Delta in Florida, and elsewhere, can see that it is likely some or several persons in the Savannah that night were contagious. It would have been helpful to containment of Delta had they been masked. Masking reduces spread as GE wrote.

All of us expect that workers in a restaurant will wash their hands after defecating. We consider that a public health issue, we have regulations requiring it, and health inspectors looking for compliance regularly. That is done to prevent spread of diseases that are extremely infrequent and of low severity. All the excitement about Hepatitis A and how critical it is to have rules to prevent transmission to the innocent members of the public is reasonable.

But Hepatitis A is a trivial disease compared with Covid both in terms of loss of life and infectious spread. Do all of you who find wearing a mask to protect others such an imposition also support not requiring your server to wash after defecating? After all if you are so afraid of Hepatitis maybe you should just stay home. Maybe we should all be having Hepatitis parties where we all wipe our butts, stick our unwashed fingers in the M&M bowl, and share our viruses to build "natural immunity" which is after all so much better than vaccine immunity or prevention. /s

Maybe we need to take down those signs reminding people to wash their hands. Maybe we should have a statewide ban on enforcing handwashing, make it voluntary. Those who want to wash can, those who don't want to can express their freedom to not wash. Maybe we should only require post-poop handwashing for those unvaccinated against Hep A or lacking natural immunity.

Or instead we can say it doesn't matter if you had your Hep A shots, it doesn't matter if your blood works shows you had Hep A as a child, it doesn't matter if you think you're healthy and not a risk to others.. If you want to work in a restaurant, wash your damn hands to protect the public.

And I'm glad we have those rules. You are too. I've had Hep A vaccine. I'm protected, unless the effect has worn off. But even with my protection, having done all I can to make myself safe while eating out, I still expect that the worker who handles my food is doing what they can to not put Hepatitis on my plate. Reasonable public health and safety rules that people on both sides of the political divide can support. Nobody is screaming "handwash Nazi" about issues to mitigate Hepatitis.

[graciegirl]

I completely agree with this post. Masks are not encouraged to be worn to protect the wearer, they are encouraged to prevent spread to others should you be infectious. But understanding that masks, as GE wrote, ARE EFFECTIVE for preventing one infectious person from spreading COVID to many "unvaccinated" people indoors when not socially distanced.. It behooves him and us to consider whether Delta changes the equation.

The data is strongly suggesting that Delta can infect vaccinated people at a much higher rate than previous variations of Covid. Further that while those vaccinated are still extremely well protected against becoming seriously ill, they shed virus at a rate very similar to unvaccinated infectious people.

I think the correct statement with Delta Covid should be that

The usual paper mask is useful for preventing one infected person from spreading COVID to many people, indoors when not socially distanced

That being the case and with Delta being so highly contagious it would be reasonable to require masking. Everyone seeing the data on the prevalence of Delta in Florida, and elsewhere, can see that it is likely some or several persons in the Savannah that night were contagious. It would have been helpful to containment of Delta had they been masked. Masking reduces spread as GE wrote.

All of us expect that workers in a restaurant will wash their hands after defecating. We consider that a public health issue, we have regulations requiring it, and health inspectors looking for compliance regularly. That is done to prevent spread of diseases that are extremely infrequent and of low severity. All the excitement about Hepatitis A and how critical it is to have rules to prevent transmission to the innocent members of the public is reasonable.

But Hepatitis A is a trivial disease compared with Covid both in terms of loss of life and infectious spread. Do all of you who find wearing a mask to protect others such an imposition also support not requiring your server to wash after defecating? After all if you are so afraid of Hepatitis maybe you should just stay home. Maybe we should all be having Hepatitis parties where we all wipe our butts, stick our unwashed fingers in the M&M bowl, and share our viruses to build "natural immunity" which is after all so much better than vaccine immunity or prevention. /s

Maybe we need to take down those signs reminding people to wash their hands. Maybe we should have a statewide ban on enforcing handwashing, make it voluntary. Those who want to wash can, those who don't want to can express their freedom to not wash. Maybe we should only require post-poop handwashing for those unvaccinated against Hep A or lacking natural immunity.

Or instead we can say it doesn't matter if you had your Hep A shots, it doesn't matter if your blood works shows you had Hep A as a child, it doesn't matter if you think you're healthy and not a risk to others.. If you want to work in a restaurant, wash your damn hands to protect the public.

And I'm glad we have those rules. You are too. I've had Hep A vaccine. I'm protected, unless the effect has worn off. But even with my protection, having done all I can to make myself safe while eating out, I still expect that the worker who handles my food is doing what they can to not put Hepatitis on my plate. Reasonable public health and safety rules that people on both sides of the political divide can support. Nobody is screaming "handwash Nazi" about issues to mitigate Hepatitis.

Beautifully said. I agree with every single word and meaning and I respect the training and the innate intelligence of the poster.

I am not a person trained in medicine. Not every person trained in medicine are as well trained as the Blue Ash and Golfing Eagles. We are VERY fortunate to have both of them and their medical advice on this Forum.

The bug and the new bug doesn't give a **** whether we live or die or how we vote.

Get vaccinated.

[Bill14564]

I completely agree with this post. Masks are not encouraged to be worn to protect the wearer, they are encouraged to prevent spread to others should you be infectious. But understanding that masks, as GE wrote, ARE EFFECTIVE for preventing one infectious person from spreading COVID to many "unvaccinated" people indoors when not socially distanced.. It behooves him and us to consider whether Delta changes the equation.

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I would agree if vaccines were not widely available but since they are available and have been proven safe and effective, I disagree with being held hostage by the irresponsible. Are we to wear masks forever while one excuse after another is used to avoid being vaccinated?

The last statistics I saw showed that well over 90% of hospitalizations and deaths were unvaccinated individuals. The current surge and current crisis would have been avoided if 100M or so Americans had done the responsible thing and gone for their vaccination. I disagree with mandates and "vaccine passports" but something needs to be done. We can't go on making demands of those who have acted responsibly to solve a problem caused by those who have acted irresponsibly.

[coffeebean]

Agree, masks will not end the virus

The usual paper mask is essentially useless except for preventing one infected person from spreading COVID to many unvaccinated people, indoors when not socially distanced

For personal protection you would need a properly fitted N-95 mask or better; a NASA certified space suit or a level 4 lab biocontainment suit would be better

Well, that is a start and actually is the basis for Universal Masking. Your mask protects me and my mask protects you. THIS is why all unvaccinated children should be masked. Each child protects the other. All it takes is for one child whose parents are anti-mask and that child is an asymptomatic contagious virus spreader......all those kids who are wearing masks are NOT protected.

[coffeebean]

I would agree if vaccines were not widely available but since they are available and have been proven safe and effective, I disagree with being held hostage by the irresponsible. Are we to wear masks forever while one excuse after another is used to avoid being vaccinated?

The last statistics I saw showed that well over 90% of hospitalizations and deaths were unvaccinated individuals. The current surge and current crisis would have been avoided if 100M or so Americans had done the responsible thing and gone for their vaccination. I disagree with mandates and "vaccine passports" but something needs to be done. We can't go on making demands of those who have acted responsibly to solve a problem caused by those who have acted irresponsibly.

I agree with everything you said with one exception........I do agree with vaccine mandates. That is the only way we are going to get control of this pandemic in any way shape or form.

I will not continue to mask to protect those who refuse to protect themselves by refusing the vaccine. Sorry folks. Just NOT going to do it. Anyone who is not vaccinated because of refusal of these life saving vaccines should be slapping an N95 mask over their nose and mouth when out and about in public. Don't expect me to continue to protect your sorry ass.

Anyone who is not vaccinated because they are not able to take the vaccine for what ever reason should also be responsible for their own protection. Just wear an N95 mask when out and about and be done with it.

As an aside..........If you have noticed I'm getting more ornery with anti-vaxxers and hesitant vaxxers, you are very perceptive.

[capecoralbill]

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Back in the early 1940's, a majority of German nationals believed that all Jews should be executed. Back in the early 1950's, a majority of Southerners still believed in slavery.
My point, a majority opinion doesn't make it right.

Well stated, and the Darwin theory will eventually prove science, and not political opinion.

[stanley]

As an aside..........If you have noticed I'm getting more ornery with anti-vaxxers and hesitant vaxxers, you are very perceptive.

And visa-versa I might add

[JSR22]

I agree with everything you said with one exception........I do agree with vaccine mandates. That is the only way we are going to get control of this pandemic in any way shape or form.

I will not continue to mask to protect those who refuse to protect themselves by refusing the vaccine. Sorry folks. Just NOT going to do it. Anyone who is not vaccinated because of refusal of these life saving vaccines should be slapping an N95 mask over their nose and mouth when out and about in public. Don't expect me to continue to protect your sorry ass.

Anyone who is not vaccinated because they are not able to take the vaccine for what ever reason should also be responsible for their own protection. Just wear an N95 mask when out and about and be done with it.

As an aside..........If you have noticed I'm getting more ornery with anti-vaxxers and hesitant vaxxers, you are very perceptive.

Completely agree. I am fully vaccinated and done with masks. If anti vaxxers get sick oh well.

[coffeebean]

And visa-versa I might add


Touché.

[golfing eagles]

I completely agree with this post. Masks are not encouraged to be worn to protect the wearer, they are encouraged to prevent spread to others should you be infectious. But understanding that masks, as GE wrote, ARE EFFECTIVE for preventing one infectious person from spreading COVID to many "unvaccinated" people indoors when not socially distanced.. It behooves him and us to consider whether Delta changes the equation.

The data is strongly suggesting that Delta can infect vaccinated people at a much higher rate than previous variations of Covid. Further that while those vaccinated are still extremely well protected against becoming seriously ill, they shed virus at a rate very similar to unvaccinated infectious people.

I think the correct statement with Delta Covid should be that

The usual paper mask is useful for preventing one infected person from spreading COVID to many people, indoors when not socially distanced

That being the case and with Delta being so highly contagious it would be reasonable to require masking. Everyone seeing the data on the prevalence of Delta in Florida, and elsewhere, can see that it is likely some or several persons in the Savannah that night were contagious. It would have been helpful to containment of Delta had they been masked. Masking reduces spread as GE wrote.

All of us expect that workers in a restaurant will wash their hands after defecating. We consider that a public health issue, we have regulations requiring it, and health inspectors looking for compliance regularly. That is done to prevent spread of diseases that are extremely infrequent and of low severity. All the excitement about Hepatitis A and how critical it is to have rules to prevent transmission to the innocent members of the public is reasonable.

But Hepatitis A is a trivial disease compared with Covid both in terms of loss of life and infectious spread. Do all of you who find wearing a mask to protect others such an imposition also support not requiring your server to wash after defecating? After all if you are so afraid of Hepatitis maybe you should just stay home. Maybe we should all be having Hepatitis parties where we all wipe our butts, stick our unwashed fingers in the M&M bowl, and share our viruses to build "natural immunity" which is after all so much better than vaccine immunity or prevention. /s

Maybe we need to take down those signs reminding people to wash their hands. Maybe we should have a statewide ban on enforcing handwashing, make it voluntary. Those who want to wash can, those who don't want to can express their freedom to not wash. Maybe we should only require post-poop handwashing for those unvaccinated against Hep A or lacking natural immunity.

Or instead we can say it doesn't matter if you had your Hep A shots, it doesn't matter if your blood works shows you had Hep A as a child, it doesn't matter if you think you're healthy and not a risk to others.. If you want to work in a restaurant, wash your damn hands to protect the public.

And I'm glad we have those rules. You are too. I've had Hep A vaccine. I'm protected, unless the effect has worn off. But even with my protection, having done all I can to make myself safe while eating out, I still expect that the worker who handles my food is doing what they can to not put Hepatitis on my plate. Reasonable public health and safety rules that people on both sides of the political divide can support. Nobody is screaming "handwash Nazi" about issues to mitigate Hepatitis.

Well said.

But to bring in just another point/analogy

After your (and mine) Hepatitis A vaccines, did either of us get tested for Hep A antigen every other day????? So why are we doing this to athletes/sports teams? Inquiring minds (such as John Rahm and Bryson DeChambeau) want to know!

[jaj523]

Neither does a majority opinion make it wrong!!! Some majority opinions turn out to be right and some turn out to be wrong.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

"Both myself and two friends...", ouch, cringe worthy. 'My two friends and I', if you please. Also, you can only be one of yourself.

Your correction is spot on, but why stop there? Almost every TOTV post has grammatical or spelling errors. By the way, cringeworthy is one word.

[chasandvalr]

Both myself and two friends attended a concert at the Savannah Center Performing Arts Theater in the Villages last night. The Savannah Center is a beautiful venue, everyone working the venue was very nice and polite and the guest appeared to have a great time. Although I have a very positive vibe towards the Savannah Center, I am bit let down that this great venue has declined to enforce social distancing and declined enforcing a mask mandate while its guest are indoors and especially when so many guest are squeezed together in such a tight space.

I was amazed that the venue with approximately 600 guest were tightly squeezed together, sitting next to one another and hardly anyone, except for a handful were wearing protective mask. No one was socially distancing themselves and in my opinion, all the progress made with the declining COVID infection rate will be lost and the rate of COVID infection will rise again.

Since I'm certain this same scenario of not properly protecting ourselves while indoors in public and still many haven't even vaccinated themselves against COVID is occurring throughout our country, I get this bad feeling that come this winter, our country is going back to another lockdown as we haven't learn yet to protect ourselves.

I won't tell you the connection I have to the SC but I will tell you that what you are suggesting was tried and quickly became a nightmare. I won't write you a 10 paragraph explanation about the problems it created with other patrons that disagreed with the seating arrangements, etc. Come see the shows if you want but don't expect the rules other than the mandated guidelines to be followed.