Buttonwood shortcut to CR 462 . . .

[GuyWin]

As you may know, there is a shortcut to CR 462 through Buttonwood that can save residents in Buttonwood, Pennecamp, St. Charles, Poinciana, Sunset Ridge, Sunset Point, Liberty Park, St. James, and Tamarind Grove Villages several miles of driving to and from the several churches (St. Vincent dePaul Catholic Church, The Christian Life Church, a Lutheran church, a Community church, and the new Village of Faith Church), the new community center, the new library, the new Sweetbay (to be built), Route 301, and the Florida Turnpike. From St. Charles you go west onto Tamarind Grove Run, then right onto Carriage Hill Drive and you come out the back gate onto CR 462. The gate is currently being used for construction. The Morse family was originally planning to leave the gate open to residents once the construction is completed but now they are having second thoughts.

We think this gate should be left open for the Villages listed above to allow residents to get to everything west and south of this part of TV without having to take Buena Vista to 466A to CR 462 (across from the library on 466A) and beyond. We are building in Pennecamp and will be going to the new Village of Faith Church that just opened this past week. When the new Sweetbay opens this shortcut will make it the closest grocery shopping for most residents in this area.

All the churches on CR462 and Sweetbay (?) are getting together to ask the Morse family to reconsider leaving this route open permanently. Overwhelming support from TV residents would really help them make their case. To those of you who live in this part of TV, would you support keeping this route open? If so, please voice your support on this thread.

Thank you.

[doubleujay1]

I'll second that!

[drr47]

I believe leaving the road open with acess to 462 would be a county decisson, not the Villages

[actor]

I believe leaving the road open with acess to 462 would be a county decisson, not the Villages

runs the county?

[njbchbum]

would leaving this route open permanently be yet another complementary opportunity for the general motoring public to enter the villages?

[bike42]

People who buy houses along or near that road will RUE THE DAY that it gets left open to public traffic from 462. It will not be a quiet neighborhood street. Rainey Trail was supposed to be low-traffic and believe me it is not. Leave the major arterial roads (Buena Vista, Morse, 466 and 466a) to handle the entering/exiting traffic. The Villages is specifically planned to keep cars from short-cutting through the residential neighborhoods.

[Larryandlinda]

As you may know, there is a shortcut to CR 462 through Buttonwood that can save residents in Buttonwood, Pennecamp, St. Charles, Poinciana, Sunset Ridge, Sunset Point, Liberty Park, St. James, and Tamarind Grove Villages several miles of driving to and from the several churches (St. Vincent dePaul Catholic Church, The Christian Life Church, a Lutheran church, a Community church, and the new Village of Faith Church), the new community center, the new library, the new Sweetbay (to be built), Route 301, and the Florida Turnpike. From St. Charles you go west onto Tamarind Grove Run, then right onto Carriage Hill Drive and you come out the back gate onto CR 462. The gate is currently being used for construction. The Morse family was originally planning to leave the gate open to residents once the construction is completed but now they are having second thoughts.

We think this gate should be left open for the Villages listed above to allow residents to get to everything west and south of this part of TV without having to ....<SNIP>
Thank you.

While it's easy to understand the grandstanding mentality of the excited mob in these posts,
you'll be lucky if there's a closed gate to hop or an opening for a bicycle!
Those would be good compromises for us bicyclists, but they're 'not gonna do it'

Can anyone imagine having the homes on the road leading to that portal?

We own some property on 462 and it will be a MAJOR thoroughfare from 301 to Brownwood, a truck route we were told, too, with the industry growing up near the tracks.

Brownwood will be the most popular new place for outsiders, and close to Wildwood, and motorists who want to avoid the WW congestion will come down 301 and cut over on 462.

FYI:
We're flying down for the BIG PUBLIC HEARING October 13 in Wildwood, 7:30 PM to help determine public opinion on CR 462

It's in Wildwood just off 466A at their community center

See you there!

L and L

[GMONEY]

That road is a designated construction entrance at this time, Once you turn off of Tamarind Grove Run onto the haul road,, and should stay that way. We almost had a bad wreck yesterday at that intersection. There are alot of construction vehicles using 462 for that entrance. . Once that area is complete then if left open use it. But remember construction vehicles have the right of way. Yesterday, a small car decided a grader would stop for it. Almost turned out bad..

The last mast plan map does not show this are left open as a entrance for The Villages..

[Tom Hannon]

Although I would like to have a shorter path to where I'm going, I don't think it would be fair for the home owners on the route of the shortcut. They paid for privacy and quiet. Having all this traffic going through the neighborhood would **** them off. My house backs up to Triggerfish (a cross road between Buttonwood Run And Pennecamp) At the moment, with all the construction in the area the road is busy and noisy. I would hope once the construction is over, the street will be quieter with most traffic being golf carts. My vote (does my vote count?) is discontinue the shortcut as soon as the construction is over.

[graciegirl]

When Hadley was being built there was a construction entrance from 466A close to Colony Plaza. They closed it.

[red tail]

People who buy houses along or near that road will RUE THE DAY that it gets left open to public traffic from 462. It will not be a quiet neighborhood street. Rainey Trail was supposed to be low-traffic and believe me it is not. Leave the major arterial roads (Buena Vista, Morse, 466 and 466a) to handle the entering/exiting traffic. The Villages is specifically planned to keep cars from short-cutting through the residential neighborhoods.

thats what happened to chula vista. most of the traffic is just people taking a short cut.

[starflyte1]

Could a "golf cart cut" be made in the fence for carts only? We have one at the end of our street and lots of carts use it-really is a short cut.

[quiltaddict]

Guywin,
I am with you. None of the new homes will face these streets. They will all be built on side streets. Look at Morse Blvd. You don't think those people bought homes wsnting privacy? But did they get it? They got lots of traffic and two traffic lights!
Sorry folks, but as TV grow, so grows the traffic. And just in case you are not aware of it, Jennifer has bought land for 11,000 more homes to go up, so we are not through growing yet! And there are rumors going around...I emphasize the word RUMORS ... that more land in Wildwood is being purchased by TV.
I feel that the present construction road should be made public. ... but that is just my opinion and I do not live in the Buttonwood area.

[Tom Hannon]

If we made a shortcut through your block you might have a difference of opinion, Quilt. Is it fair to disrupt other people lives for the convenience of others who benefit? The Village is a paradise. Let us keep it that way.

[Bogie Shooter]

Guywin,
I am with you. None of the new homes will face these streets. They will all be built on side streets. Look at Morse Blvd. You don't think those people bought homes wsnting privacy? But did they get it? They got lots of traffic and two traffic lights!
Sorry folks, but as TV grow, so grows the traffic. And just in case you are not aware of it, Jennifer has bought land for 11,000 more homes to go up, so we are not through growing yet! And there are rumors going around...I emphasize the word RUMORS ... that more land in Wildwood is being purchased by TV.
I feel that the present construction road should be made public. ... but that is just my opinion and I do not live in the Buttonwood area.

What is the source of this information??

[jblum8156]

Jennifer announced it at the POA meeting in April.

[kb8tpw]

As appealing as a short-cut sounds, and I do live in St Charles, I opt for the land owners it will affect.

[Mallory]

Not to hijack this thread but I find it hard to believe that Jennifer would make an announcement of 11,000 new homesites at a POA meeting.

[bike42]

I think she was referring to the 11,000 homes that have always been planned for the land south of 466a. They have owned that land for a long time.

[njbchbum]

I am so sorry for the distress that this potential dilemma has stirred among those who have posted here - but it sure makes me happy that we bought on the original villages site! I think that if I ever became more than a snowbird I would just buy more square footage there!

[Larryandlinda]

We are wondering if a cart/bicycle shortcut makes any sense?
There's a really fine one that leads from the rear of the synagogue on 101 to Talley ridge that we use on our bikes often.

While we have the mic, here are the details on the
PUBLIC ALTERNATIVES MEETING
Time: 5:30-7:00 PM
Wednesday Octiober 13
Wildwood Community Center
6500 Powell Poad
Wildwood, Florida

Hope to meet some neighbors there as we meet some of the ones from Wildwood.

L and L

[SALYBOW]

Living in Buttonwood and attending St Vincents we always marvel that there is not a straighter route. I can see problems for those that live there as mentioned above. The only way I would be for it is if it was truly a residents only gated entrance with someone at the house all the time, Have you noticed that at many residence gates that are not staffed the gate goes up automatically, pass or no pass, if one sits there for a short time. At least the ones going west do. :undecided:

[Larryandlinda]

Living in Buttonwood and attending St Vincents we always marvel that there is not a straighter route. I can see problems for those that live there as mentioned above. The only way I would be for it is if it was truly a residents only gated entrance with someone at the house all the time, Have you noticed that at many residence gates that are not staffed the gate goes up automatically, pass or no pass, if one sits there for a short time. At least the ones going west do. :undecided:

Is TV any more "residents only" than a wooden duck on Lake Miona can quack?
Or is only one of these a decoy?

Just askin'
L and L

[jblum8156]

The streets are all public, maintained by the County. You can't keep the public from using public streets.

[GuyWin]

I don't understand the concern about additional traffic. We're talking St. Charles, Tamarind, and Carriage. St. Charles and Tamarind are already major roads designed to get us to and from our neighborhood. We don't know about Carriage yet but I think it's safe to assume it will be a similar road if there is a gate at one end.

Think about it. If someone wants to take Buena Vista to, let say, the library on 466A they would still use streets like St. Charles or Tamarind to get to Buena Vista. Instead of turning left onto St. Charles they would turn right.

And, as mentioned, homes along these streets already see a steady flow of in and out traffic. For every car taking the shortcut route there's one less car going toward Buena Vista. Same number of cars but more evenly distributed.

There's no other way for any of us to get to and from our homes without taking one or more of the major roads like St. Charles. We're not talking about cutting through any one's neighborhood. We're talking about using the same thoroughfares we use now.

Also, adding an unmanned electric gate would provide the same security as most Villages' main entrances.

[bike42]

If the road is a public entrance it will be used by anyone living southwest of the villages who wants to go to work, contractors going to jobs, etc., etc., anywhere in TV, not just in your neighborhoods. It will be a major cut-through for pick-up trucks, moving trucks, teenagers going to the squares, and other people in a hurry. Homes that back on to the road will hear traffic noise 24 hours a day. If you don't believe me ask anyone who lives in Ashland, Lynnhaven, Bridgeport at Miona Shores or Bridgeport at Lake Miona backing up onto Rainey Trail.

[GuyWin]

You make it sound like people from all over the state will be descending on us. Maybe when the word gets out people will start exiting the Florida Turnpike and use it to get to I95 faster! Let's keep this in perspective. The only people interested in using this route will be the residents in that area and the people who service them. Don't forget, we're taking about after the construction is complete.

If what you say is true, and I'm not convinced it is, an electric gate that will only work with a TV card would solve the problem. Even better yet, TV could issue a special card for only residents who live in the SW corner of TV.

[chuckster]

Lynnhaven is a speedway and a commuting artery for workers going to 466 from rainey trail, villages students and anyone else that desires to "cut through". I tested this by driving to the gate with my hand out holding a paper card (the size of the gate pass) and presto the gate opened courtesy of the installed camera. Try it for yourself, if this fails just press the button and you will have the same result. Don't wish for something that will cause entry for excess traffic as well as potential law breakers. Just my opinion.........

[bike42]

Since the roads are public the gates cannot be restricted. Anyone can come through by pressing a button (and having photo taken). Good luck if you push for keeping the road open. Rainey Trail was supposed to be closed but was left open with the assurance to homebuyers that traffic would be light. It's a remote country road (472) turning off of 301 -- directly comparable to what you will have at 462 (which is being expanded). If you don't believe me about the traffic come and sit by the road for a few minutes (day or night).

[champion6]

As you may know, there is a shortcut to CR 462 through Buttonwood that can save residents in Buttonwood, Pennecamp, St. Charles, Poinciana, Sunset Ridge, Sunset Point, Liberty Park, St. James, and Tamarind Grove Villages several miles of driving to and from the several churches (St. Vincent dePaul Catholic Church, The Christian Life Church, a Lutheran church, a Community church, and the new Village of Faith Church), the new community center, the new library, the new Sweetbay (to be built), Route 301, and the Florida Turnpike. From St. Charles you go west onto Tamarind Grove Run, then right onto Carriage Hill Drive and you come out the back gate onto CR 462. The gate is currently being used for construction. The Morse family was originally planning to leave the gate open to residents once the construction is completed but now they are having second thoughts.I think it is equally possible that the road will not go through when houses are built on Carriage Hill Way. This plan of TV shows that Carriage Hill Way will end in a cul-de-sac: www.districtgov.org/yourdistrict/districtmap/images/Districts%20and%20Villages%20South.pdf Be patient. It's a large file and you will have to zoom in to see the detail.

The same cul-de-sac can be seen at mapquest.com

Obviously plans can change over time, but it's a very good possibility that the "short cut" is temporary and is simply being used to keep construction traffic off of St. Charles Place.

Time will tell.

[Bogie Shooter]

You make it sound like people from all over the state will be descending on us. Maybe when the word gets out people will start exiting the Florida Turnpike and use it to get to I95 faster! Let's keep this in perspective. The only people interested in using this route will be the residents in that area and the people who service them. Don't forget, we're taking about after the construction is complete.

If what you say is true, and I'm not convinced it is, an electric gate that will only work with a TV card would solve the problem. Even better yet, TV could issue a special card for only residents who live in the SW corner of TV.

Say, what about me. I go to the Ace Hardware in Wildwood, I want to use the shortcut too. After all I am a Villager.....but do not live in the SW corner.

[GMONEY]

Since the roads are public the gates cannot be restricted. Anyone can come through by pressing a button (and having photo taken). Good luck if you push for keeping the road open. Rainey Trail was supposed to be closed but was left open with the assurance to homebuyers that traffic would be light. It's a remote country road (472) turning off of 301 -- directly comparable to what you will have at 462 (which is being expanded). If you don't believe me about the traffic come and sit by the road for a few minutes (day or night).

I have never heard that before, When we orginally started Buena Vista South of 466 and tore up the old CR-113 I believe it was, we knew then that 472 would be the connector for Buena Vista and 301. That was never going to be closed. 472 has always had traffic. 462 will always have Traffic. 462 wil be expanded to 4 lane also from the prints I have seen. Just of matter of getting the approval from the Higher Ones.

Yes there was a const entrance behind Colony Plaza at one time and it was closed, but the was installed as a temporary relief to keep const traffic off odell circle. The entrance off 462 has been there for 8 years. has always been for construction traffic only. That is why the signs are there. But it will be closed after that area is built up more.

[Indy-Guy]

Lynnhaven is a speedway and a commuting artery for workers going to 466 from rainey trail, villages students and anyone else that desires to "cut through". I tested this by driving to the gate with my hand out holding a paper card (the size of the gate pass) and presto the gate opened courtesy of the installed camera. Try it for yourself, if this fails just press the button and you will have the same result. Don't wish for something that will cause entry for excess traffic as well as potential law breakers. Just my opinion.........


All you have to do to open a gate is pull up to any resident gate and wait anywhere from 10 to 30 seconds and the gate will go up without using your card. If it is raining don't put your window down and get wet just pull up and wait 10 to 30 seconds and the gate will go up. If you look at the asphault by the stand where you wave your card you will see cuts in the asphault under where your car would be when your car is over these it will trigger the gate to open.

I never use my card if it is raining and at times when it is very hot and no one is behind me I just wait the 10 seconds. The gate that I use takes 10 seconds to open without using a card. In that 10 seconds at times I can't get to my card and put my window down and wave it so why bother? It will take longer on the guest side but on the residents side it is quicker.


Try it and see how long it takes yours to open.

[jchase]

While it's easy to understand the grandstanding mentality of the excited mob in these posts,
you'll be lucky if there's a closed gate to hop or an opening for a bicycle!
Those would be good compromises for us bicyclists, but they're 'not gonna do it'

Can anyone imagine having the homes on the road leading to that portal?

We own some property on 462 and it will be a MAJOR thoroughfare from 301 to Brownwood, a truck route we were told, too, with the industry growing up near the tracks.

Brownwood will be the most popular new place for outsiders, and close to Wildwood, and motorists who want to avoid the WW congestion will come down 301 and cut over on 462.

FYI:
We're flying down for the BIG PUBLIC HEARING October 13 in Wildwood, 7:30 PM to help determine public opinion on CR 462

It's in Wildwood just off 466A at their community center

See you there!

L and L
Would you be able to provide us with out outcome of the public hearing held on Oct. 13 in Wildwood regarding CR 462. Was there any mention of the short cut remaining open after construction?

[BowleesCreekYachtClub]

You don't need to open your window to use your card!