Shoplifting at Publix

[retiredguy123]

Today, according to a merchant, the Publix at Colony Plaza caught a woman shoplifter and called the police. A policewoman arrived and parked her car behind the shoplifter's BMW. After about 5 minutes, the police handed her a large piece of paper, and the woman was free to go. The woman never got out of the car. That doesn't sound like law enforcement to me.

[graciegirl]

Today, according to a merchant, the Publix at Colony Plaza caught a woman shoplifter and called the police. A policewoman arrived and parked her car behind the shoplifter's BMW. After about 5 minutes, the police handed her a large piece of paper, and the woman was free to go. The woman never got out of the car. That doesn't sound like law enforcement to me.

It sounds like gossip to me. Conjecture. A sighting of something without verification that begins a rumor.

It may be that the person in the BMW

Mouthed off to the girl who works in the florist area.

Won the scratch off and needed another pair of eyes in order to believe it.

Gave a hundred dollars to the Police Benevolent Society.

Thought that they saw a killer hornet swarm in their car.

Was getting a ticket for double parking.

Was asking law enforcement if they were all vaccinated.


Actually, I am kidding you a bit, because your posts are always quite valid and believeable.

[manaboutown]

Today, according to a merchant, the Publix at Colony Plaza caught a woman shoplifter and called the police. A policewoman arrived and parked her car behind the shoplifter's BMW. After about 5 minutes, the police handed her a large piece of paper, and the woman was free to go. The woman never got out of the car. That doesn't sound like law enforcement to me.

Shades of San Fran?

[Taltarzac725]

Today, according to a merchant, the Publix at Colony Plaza caught a woman shoplifter and called the police. A policewoman arrived and parked her car behind the shoplifter's BMW. After about 5 minutes, the police handed her a large piece of paper, and the woman was free to go. The woman never got out of the car. That doesn't sound like law enforcement to me.

https://www.tildenlaw.com/what-you-should-do-if-you-receive-shoplifting-charges/

This might explain what happened after the police arrived.

[retiredguy123]

It sounds like gossip to me. Conjecture. A sighting of something without verification that begins a rumor.

It may be that the person in the BMW

Mouthed off to the girl who works in the florist area.

Won the scratch off and needed another pair of eyes in order to believe it.

Gave a hundred dollars to the Police Benevolent Society.

Thought that they saw a killer hornet swarm in their car.

Was getting a ticket for double parking.

Was asking law enforcement if they were all vaccinated.


Actually, I am kidding you a bit, because your posts are always quite valid and believeable.
The only conjecture was that it was for shoplifting, which a merchant I know told me. I saw the rest of it in person.

[bimmertl]

Most likely got a notice to appear.

Florida Criminal Notice to Appear | The Umansky Law Firm (https://www.thelawman.net/Criminal-Process-Overview/Florida-Criminal-Notice-Appear/)

[ThirdOfFive]

Most likely got a notice to appear.

Florida Criminal Notice to Appear | The Umansky Law Firm (https://www.thelawman.net/Criminal-Process-Overview/Florida-Criminal-Notice-Appear/)
Most likely.

Though not surprising, unfortunately. We rarely by eggs at Publix but when we do we always open the carton. Amazing, how many size medium eggs end up in those extra-large or jumbo cartons.

[Topspinmo]

You can bet it was caught in camera now days, I doubt the would call police on suspected shoplifters if they didn’t have evidence. Just cause somebody drive’s European/fancy car don’t mean they are not lowlife.

[Topspinmo]

Most likely.

Though not surprising, unfortunately. We rarely by eggs at Publix but when we do we always open the carton. Amazing, how many size medium eggs end up in those extra-large or jumbo cartons.


I satisfied if none are broken.

[KsJayhawkers]

Police Officers are bound by the Rules of Arrest. If a person commits a misdemeanor not in the presence of the officer, they will typically be issued a notice to appear if there is probable cause to believe the person committed a crime. There are some exceptions to this rule...see 901.15

Statutes & Constitution
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Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0900-0999/0901/0901.html)

[Billy1]

I think the police use different size paper for different charges. What size was the paper?

[Thaxxx]

I think the police use different size paper for different charges. What size was the paper?
Toilet

[Girlcopper]

Today, according to a merchant, the Publix at Colony Plaza caught a woman shoplifter and called the police. A policewoman arrived and parked her car behind the shoplifter's BMW. After about 5 minutes, the police handed her a large piece of paper, and the woman was free to go. The woman never got out of the car. That doesn't sound like law enforcement to me.
Thats because you dont know how law enforcement works and shouldnt be critisizing an officers actions. Its a misdemeanor if the value is under $500. therefore they are given a notice to appear in court. Its like being arrested, taken to jail and being released without posting bail. So, instead of an officer wasting their time on trivial garbage, they give them the “notice to appear” at the scene. And not driving to the jail, waiting their turn to drop the arrestee, doing all the paperwork n then having to drive back to their work area. Im sure if she did arrest the person, people would be complaining that the cops arent doing important things. Damned if you do, damned if you dont

[noslices1]

Today, according to a merchant, the Publix at Colony Plaza caught a woman shoplifter and called the police. A policewoman arrived and parked her car behind the shoplifter's BMW. After about 5 minutes, the police handed her a large piece of paper, and the woman was free to go. The woman never got out of the car. That doesn't sound like law enforcement to me.

So, did Publix get back the products that were stolen? Asking for a friend.

[retiredguy123]

Thats because you dont know how law enforcement works and shouldnt be critisizing an officers actions. Its a misdemeanor if the value is under $500. therefore they are given a notice to appear in court. Its like being arrested, taken to jail and being released without posting bail. So, instead of an officer wasting their time on trivial garbage, they give them the “notice to appear” at the scene. And not driving to the jail, waiting their turn to drop the arrestee, doing all the paperwork n then having to drive back to their work area. Im sure if she did arrest the person, people would be complaining that the cops arent doing important things. Damned if you do, damned if you dont
I wasn't criticizing the police officer. She was most likely just doing her job.

[blueash]

Thats because you dont know how law enforcement works and shouldnt be critisizing an officers actions. Its a misdemeanor if the value is under $500. therefore they are given a notice to appear in court. Its like being arrested, taken to jail and being released without posting bail. So, instead of an officer wasting their time on trivial garbage, they give them the “notice to appear” at the scene. And not driving to the jail, waiting their turn to drop the arrestee, doing all the paperwork n then having to drive back to their work area. Im sure if she did arrest the person, people would be complaining that the cops arent doing important things. Damned if you do, damned if you dont

Thanks for your expert input on how a shoplifting charge is to be handled. That explains why according to https://www.**************.com/2021/08/02/walmart-shoplifting-suspect-allegedly-switched-labels-on-legos-and-whiskey-glasses/ a woman was
went through the self-checkout lane and paid 24 cents for a Lego set valued at $29.97. She also paid 24 cents for a set of whiskey glasses priced at $7.84...also found to be in possession of clothing taken from Walmart...She was arrested on a charge of theft and booked at the Sumter County Detention Center. She was released after posting $500 bond.

or this story (https://www.**************.com/2021/06/03/homeless-man-arrested-in-shoplifting-incident-at-best-buy-in-lady-lake/)
walked out of the store and was in possession of a pair of JLAPS earbuds for which he had not paid, the report said. The earbuds were valued at $24.99. They had been tucked inside [his] pocket.

He was arrested on a misdemeanor charge of theft and booked at the Lake County Jail on $500 bond.

or this one
The merchandise had a before tax value of $69.79.

.. was arrested on a charge of larceny and booked at the Sumter County Detention Center. He was released after posting $500 bond.

or A shoplifting suspect at Wal-Mart at Buffalo Ridge Plaza in The Villages offered to pay for merchandise when he was on his way to jail.

[he] went to the self-checkout on Sunday afternoon and scanned some merchandise, but not a 14-piece cookware set and universal mount bundle,

or selected several T-shirts and proceeded to the crafts department where she selected several transfer patches. She placed the merchandise in bags and left the store without paying for it, the report said.

[she] was arrested on a charge of theft. She was booked at the Sumter County Detention Center on $500 bond.

All these reports and many more can be found on the forbidden website by typing the word shoplift into the search box on that site.

Maybe there were other special circumstances in those stories not reported but the low bond strongly suggests there were not as cases where drugs were also found or it was a probation violation etc. all have higher bonds. It does appear that there is discretion by the cops as to book them at HQ or give them a notice to appear.

[tonycirocco@me.com]

What does "shades of San Francisco" mean? Are you jealous of a great city???

[retiredguy123]

I would have preferred that the woman be arrested and required to post a bond. Instead, she and the police officer blocked the lane in front of the Publix while the woman sat in her air conditioned car and the police officer did paperwork, and then released her. It just doesn't seem like a good way to deter people from stealing.

[hal195z]

Most likely.

Though not surprising, unfortunately. We rarely by eggs at Publix but when we do we always open the carton. Amazing, how many size medium eggs end up in those extra-large or jumbo cartons.
Size does not matter when buying a carton of eggs. You are buying the weight of the carton of eggs so various sizes may be in the carton to make the appropriate weight. Look at the carton and compare the weight of the various sizes. People who take out "Small" eggs and replace with "Larger" eggs are committing a crime just like someone changing the tags on clothing and paying the lower price for more expensive items.
If you don't believe me, ask the store manager.

[bluecenturian]

Please do some research and educate yourself before you make bogus claims.

First, if the store does not want to prosecute law enforcement can do nothing. It cost the stores money to send a rep to court in these cases. If they get their product back they will trespass the person from the property. The person gets “a piece of paper” as well as the store.

Second, if the store wants to prosecute, the crime is a misdemeanor. If she has no open warrants, Police will issue a Notice to Appear, a court date for her to show up, “a piece of paper.” This allows police to not be tired up processing a minor arrest and frees them quicker to be available to respond to another emergency.

So unless you spoke with the store manager or the police your accusations are unfounded. You are also free to request a copy of all the paperwork on the call through the sunshine law.

[Kenswing]

What does "shades of San Francisco" mean? Are you jealous of a great city???
Did you actually type that with a straight face. :1rotfl: :1rotfl: San Francisco was certainly once a great city but have you been there recently? Not so great anymore.

[bluecenturian]

Retired guy,

So what was your point in posting this then.

[retiredguy123]

Size does not matter when buying a carton of eggs. You are buying the weight of the carton of eggs so various sizes may be in the carton to make the appropriate weight. Look at the carton and compare the weight of the various sizes. People who take out "Small" eggs and replace with "Larger" eggs are committing a crime just like someone changing the tags on clothing and paying the lower price for more expensive items.
If you don't believe me, ask the store manager.
Huh? I don't buy many eggs, but I thought that, when a person buys a dozen large eggs, they expect to get 12 large eggs. Many recipes that include eggs, specify the size of the eggs.

[retiredguy123]

Retired guy,

So what was your point in posting this then.
It is a current news event in The Villages, and I was concerned that shoplifting is apparently often treated more like a minor traffic violation.

[ThirdOfFive]

Huh? I don't buy many eggs, but I thought that, when a person buys a dozen large eggs, they expect to get 12 large eggs. Many recipes that include eggs, specify the size of the eggs.
True.

I understand that eggs are sold by weight and there is bound to be some variation in size in a dozen eggs, no matter what the size. But there is variation, and then there is variation. An extra-large egg is about a third larger than a medium egg, and if you open a carton with containing maybe four eggs with that difference it doesn't take a Sherlock Holmes to see that some shenanigans are going on.

On the overall scale of things, swiping a few eggs from an extra-large carton and replacing them with the mediums from your carton is pennies. But it is the idea that it is going on at all that is troubling. You're not robbing the store. You're robbing the person who believes that they are buying a carton full of extra-large eggs.

Sign of the times, I guess.

[Petersweeney]

I just by 2 dozen and fahgetttahbout it

[BlackhawksFan]

Today, according to a merchant, the Publix at Colony Plaza caught a woman shoplifter and called the police. A policewoman arrived and parked her car behind the shoplifter's BMW. After about 5 minutes, the police handed her a large piece of paper, and the woman was free to go. The woman never got out of the car. That doesn't sound like law enforcement to me.

It wasn't a felony, that means she was cited. Anything under $300 is a misdemeanor and businesses handle them differently. You can cite them with a court appearance, no trespass order them or both.

[Velvet]

It is a current news event in The Villages, and I was concerned that shoplifting is apparently often treated more like a minor traffic violation.

I agree. Thanks for posting this information. Shop lifting is serious. But I had no idea before reading about Florida rules that changing a broken egg in a carton can also be called shop lifting. What about when they sell you rotten tomatoes. Is that called Buyer lifting?

[GrumpyOldMan]

Amazing how it seems the only thing some have to do is to argue every post. Whether it's semantics or totally off topic.

I accept the OPs explanation as what the OP thinks happened. I respect that. I see no reason to dispute it. I accept it the way I accept anything I read on the internet - with a grain of salt.

Meaning, it is true until proven wrong. Some times I do some searching to see if it makes sense, sometimes it isn't worth it to me.

It seems everyone has to make assumptions that post have an agenda or are just wrong.

Maybe we should chill a bit.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I agree. Thanks for posting this information. Shop lifting is serious. But I had no idea before reading about Florida rules that changing a broken egg in a carton can also be called shop lifting. What about when they sell you rotten tomatoes. Is that called Buyer lifting?

"Changing a broken egg" requires that you get its replacement from somewhere. If you're getting it from another carton on the shelf, then you are depriving the next customer of a whole dozen eggs.

There are a couple of things you can do if you see a broken egg in a carton.

You can: let an employee nearby know, and let them deal with it (or not).

Get the carton you want, that has 12 whole intact eggs, and leave the one with the broken egg(s) on the shelf.

Take a carton with no broken eggs for yourself, and take the carton with the broken eggs to customer service or the dairy department manager.

What Publix does, is they'll replace eggs from "broken cartons" with good eggs from other "broken cartons," so the end result is a dozen broken eggs all together, and a few dozen good eggs that can then be sold. They keep them within the same batches so none of them are older than the others.

Then they damage out the cartons that have all broken eggs in them.

I only buy the free-range eggs from "Happy" and "Handsome" eggs. I expect that within the carton of "large" eggs, I'll find one or two that are "jumbo" or "extra large." They're also not uniform in color; some will be darker than others, some will be speckled. Once in a blue moon I'll find a medium in there but it balances out with the extra-larges that end up in the carton. I'll wait til I have a recipe that calls for 2 large eggs and use that lone medium with one of the extra-larges, and problem solved.

Baking is not an "exact" science, but it's damned near close :)

[Villagesgal]

My daughter lives in Seattle, they passed a law that basically legalized shoplifting if you are homeless, so there is a run on shoplifting with people filling carts and just walking out with no one stopping them. She was at Target yesterday and couldn't believe what was happening, people were pushing their carts out the IN door walking right past the registers and never paying. She watched this for over 10 minutes then asked at Customer Service why no one was stopping them and was told it's store policy not to confront since the new law went into effect. At least here they get reported and get a notice to appear.

[DDToto41]

Most likely.

Though not surprising, unfortunately. We rarely by eggs at Publix but when we do we always open the carton. Amazing, how many size medium eggs end up in those extra-large or jumbo cartons.

Have you ever noticed customers open the packages and exchange the smaller eggs in one package for larger eggs in another package. Some could be exchanging eggs in a Large package for eggs from an Extra Large or Jumbo package, which would be considered shoplifting. I have seen people exchange eggs from one Large package to another Large package, which seems like the one Large package has all medium or small eggs.

[mike234]

I eat my bag of grapes while I shop...that is shoplifting. I leave them in the frozen dinner aisle.....

[Loriana]

Today, according to a merchant, the Publix at Colony Plaza caught a woman shoplifter and called the police. A policewoman arrived and parked her car behind the shoplifter's BMW. After about 5 minutes, the police handed her a large piece of paper, and the woman was free to go. The woman never got out of the car. That doesn't sound like law enforcement to me.

Jails do not book people who are arrested on theft charges unless the amount stolen was over 10K. The woman likely got a cite in lieu of an arrest if she had identification. If she doesn’t show up on the court date they will put a warrant out for her arrest.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Today, according to a merchant, the Publix at Colony Plaza caught a woman shoplifter and called the police. A policewoman arrived and parked her car behind the shoplifter's BMW. After about 5 minutes, the police handed her a large piece of paper, and the woman was free to go. The woman never got out of the car. That doesn't sound like law enforcement to me.

Do not judge what a Law Enforcement Officer does until you walk in their shoes.

[retiredguy123]

Do not judge what a Law Enforcement Officer does until you walk in their shoes.
I was not judging anyone. My issue is with a justice system that seems to be too lenient on crime. I think that stealing should be treated as a crime.

[Topspinmo]

Did you actually type that with a straight face. :1rotfl: :1rotfl: San Francisco was certainly once a great city but have you been there recently? Not so great anymore.


Was that before the great fire? :faint:

[Velvet]

Have you ever noticed customers open the packages and exchange the smaller eggs in one package for larger eggs in another package. Some could be exchanging eggs in a Large package for eggs from an Extra Large or Jumbo package, which would be considered shoplifting. I have seen people exchange eggs from one Large package to another Large package, which seems like the one Large package has all medium or small eggs.

That sounds like a lot of work to me. I didn’t realize people did that to eggs. Next time I might look at what is actually in the carton.

Theft is theft. I just want to know why it is only one sided.

[butlerism]

I like the egg thread better

[blueash]

My daughter lives in Seattle, they passed a law that basically legalized shoplifting if you are homeless, so there is a run on shoplifting with people filling carts and just walking out with no one stopping them. She was at Target yesterday and couldn't believe what was happening, people were pushing their carts out the IN door walking right past the registers and never paying. She watched this for over 10 minutes then asked at Customer Service why no one was stopping them and was told it's store policy not to confront since the new law went into effect. At least here they get reported and get a notice to appear.

A google search fails to find any evidence that the law has changed in Seattle. There was a proposal that went nowhere (https://www.the-sun.com/news/1965665/povery-defense-stealing-assault-seattle-city-code/) to after arrest and in front of a jury a person could plead poverty as the reason for theft, and it not only did not pass, (https://crosscut.com/news/2021/02/seattles-controversial-poverty-defense-proposal-stalls-out)no law was even written.

I did find a story from June in Seattle (https://www.q13fox.com/news/seattle-police-arrest-53-shoplifters-in-a-single-day-during-citywide-theft-operation) where a police task force assigned plain clothes LEO's to several large stores, including a Target, to arrest shoplifters.

Whatever your daughter thinks is going on, or not going on, in Seattle, there has been absolutely no change in their shoplifting laws.

[DaleDivine]

That sounds like a lot of work to me. I didn’t realize people did that to eggs. Next time I might look at what is actually in the carton.

Theft is theft. I just want to know why it is only one sided.
I always lift each egg individually to make sure none are stuck in the carton.
If they get stuck then most likely they will break when trying to remove them then I just try to find another good carton of eggs...
:popcorn::popcorn:

[RICH1]

He thanked her for removing The Impossible meat and Incogmeato from the store !