To Boost or not to Boost...Boosters are here next month!

[drducat]

This is never going to end and if they keep up with boosters, Covid will get harder and harder to control.....this needs to stop!

Covid booster shots: U.S. to begin wide distribution of third vaccine doses next month (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/18/covid-booster-shots-us-to-begin-wide-distribution-of-third-vaccine-doses-next-month.html)

[TNLAKEPANDA]

No Thnaks

[Topspinmo]

Got keep the cash cow going.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I'll get mine in December. I get my flu shot every year, this'll just be another yearly vaccine and I'm fine with that.

[kp11364]

I'll get mine in December. I get my flu shot every year, this'll just be another yearly vaccine and I'm fine with that.

Since no one makes money on flu shots, big pharma needed another source of revenue - et voila! Yearly COVID booster. :ohdear:

[gatorbill1]

Looks like I will not have to compete with other Villagers for booster shot like I did for first 2

[JSR22]

Looks like I will not have to compete with other Villagers for booster shot like I did for first 2
Agree and I will definitely get the booster.

[Velvet]

I’m ready for the booster, now and later and later. Whatever it takes. What I am not ready for, at any time, is to get Covid.

[Altavia]

It will be hard to decide...

[Topspinmo]

This is never going to end and if they keep up with boosters, Covid will get harder and harder to control.....this needs to stop!

Covid booster shots: U.S. to begin wide distribution of third vaccine doses next month (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/18/covid-booster-shots-us-to-begin-wide-distribution-of-third-vaccine-doses-next-month.html)


I’ll wait see if the pigeons have any side effects, then I will consider it.

[ureout]

I’ll wait see if the pigeons have any side effects, then I will consider it.


it's amazing to me... all the naysayers that they interview in the hospitals seem to change their mind after they were infected and were near death.. you certainly have the right to your opinion and good luck to you.. but honestly I have NO sympathy for anyone who refuses the vaccine and then gets infected especially at our age ... but then again it's one more open T-time for me

[tvbound]

As long as Clorox isn't the manufacturer, I'm up for a booster shot.

[sail33or]

They are finding that COVID stays primarily 3 feet above the ground.

After getting your Booster the requirement will be crawl on your bellies.

[Topspinmo]

it's amazing to me... all the naysayers that they interview in the hospitals seem to change their mind after they were infected and were near death.. you certainly have the right to your opinion and good luck to you.. but honestly I have NO sympathy for anyone who refuses the vaccine and then gets infected especially at our age ... but then again it's one more open T-time for me



I HAVE gotten both shots, you don’t need to feel any sympathy for me.

[Topspinmo]

As long as Clorox isn't the manufacturer, I'm up for a booster shot.

Yep, keep the agenda going.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Having just left my brother in laws rehab here in Boston I can tell you he wishes he could have gotten the shots he has been in mass general hospital since feb , he had no health problems before getting Covid he is in rehab to clear up the open sores that they couldn’t control all those months in intensive care and if had not been in a hospital rated one of best in world he would most likely be dead ,,someone says booster shot I say which arm.

[Kelevision]

This is never going to end and if they keep up with boosters, Covid will get harder and harder to control.....this needs to stop!

Covid booster shots: U.S. to begin wide distribution of third vaccine doses next month (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/18/covid-booster-shots-us-to-begin-wide-distribution-of-third-vaccine-doses-next-month.html)

When i got my first covid shot they told me there would be a booster in approx 6 months because that’s how long the shot would last. Did they not tell you that when you got yours? Do you not get your tetanus booster every 10 years? Boosters aren’t new or simply covid related. …..:ho:

[taruffi57]

Reports coming in from everywhere that already vaccinated are getting COVID. Many reputable Drs. and research entities say vax compromises natural immunity. Lots of censorship going on.

[George Page]

I’ll be first in line

[Looking for next wife]

It's another IQ test.

Jeez, Get the little baby shot on the way to the links. So so much trouble.

If you want to belong to a group, belong to the not dying group. Score a little higher.

Don't you watch "World's Dumbest"

[tsmall22204]

Why do people blame the covid issues on the vaccine/booster? If all would be vaccinated there would be no need for a booster.

[Dilligas]

This is never going to end and if they keep up with boosters, Covid will get harder and harder to control.....this needs to stop!

Covid booster shots: U.S. to begin wide distribution of third vaccine doses next month (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/18/covid-booster-shots-us-to-begin-wide-distribution-of-third-vaccine-doses-next-month.html)
And how do you propose “this” to end? Boosters are becoming necessary because too many people don’t want to believe the medical community, and continue to party with everyone. The only other way is to lock down everyone in US, lock all borders (not a bad idea on the South) until the virus dies out. I’m sure you are not for that either.

[Blackbird45]

What is the big deal.
You join the military and within the first couple of weeks you become a pin cushion.
I watch these big bikers covered in tattoos saying there not going to get the shot.
If your not afraid of needles and you still do not take the shot and you do get covid you should just stay home and deal with it.
Why go to the overrun hospitals, with the chance you going to infect someone else.

[banjobob]

The cash cow , and fear factor in the news , I say if you have a healthy immune system . Forget it and live your life ignore all the hand wringers and fear mongers.

[tklloop]

Reports coming in from everywhere that already vaccinated are getting COVID. Many reputable Drs. and research entities say vax compromises natural immunity. Lots of censorship going on.

Thanks for citing your references and URL’s on the “reports coming in from everywhere”??? Turn of Fox noise and stop listening to conspiracy theory nutz!

[drducat]

And how do you propose “this” to end? Boosters are becoming necessary because too many people don’t want to believe the medical community, and continue to party with everyone. The only other way is to lock down everyone in US, lock all borders (not a bad idea on the South) until the virus dies out. I’m sure you are not for that either.

The Covid19 virus can not reach herd immunity...ever.

If it could we would not be seeing the common cold exist.

Also non sterilizing vaccines can cause variant's to occur from the vaccinated.

Look it up..Let Me Google That (https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=non+sterilizing+vaccines)

[Coal Miner]

Covid will be around as long as there are antivacers. Ill get my booster in Oct and my flu vaccine in dec.

[bonrich]

I would rather test for antibodies first, and if I had the correct numbers I would forego the booster.

[graciegirl]

Me and mine will be getting the boosters. Doc told us yesterday to wait eight months from the date of the second shot. Get the same kind unless they have decided otherwise at that time.

Lots of people agreed with me about getting the booster on my Facebook page too, young and old, Villagers and folks clear over in London. A really nice list posted that they would be sticking out their arm to get the booster when it is the right time. The Villages Health Centers now offer the Moderna Shots.... Our daughter had the Pfizer, (we drove her to Orlando to get hers)...because she was younger and that is the place that it was first offered for those younger.

Every single person I know and love have had the vaccine. Except for three. I keep hoping that they too will get the first two. Before they get sick and you know...

[Andyb]

And the date they started this reporting? CDC umbers started back in January when a large portion of Americans were not vaccinated. I’m tired of being deceived.

[Bay Kid]

Where did this virus start? Who do you believe? Honest answers?

[FromNY]

Getting tested for antibodies First. If levels good booster can wait. Also those with medical issues especially autoimmune should clear it with their doctors. An over abundance can c a use damage to the immune system. Defeating the purpose of a vaccine.

[Andyb]

Correct, we still do not know long term effects.

[Waltdisney4life]

We must be coming up to an election year

[La lamy]

I hope they try to adjust the booster vaccines to specifically combat the Delta variant, but of course there'll probably be another variant as soon as that's ready! Viruses sure are tricky. I wish you well everyone vaccinated, double vaccinated, triple vaccinated or not. :pray:

[rjn5656]

I will get one. I always get sick in fall so anything to prevent complications I will take a chance.

[MandoMan]

This is never going to end and if they keep up with boosters, Covid will get harder and harder to control.....this needs to stop!

Covid booster shots: U.S. to begin wide distribution of third vaccine doses next month (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/18/covid-booster-shots-us-to-begin-wide-distribution-of-third-vaccine-doses-next-month.html)

Hooray! I’m ready! I wonder if this will become a yearly thing, or twice a year.

[graciegirl]

Hooray! I’m ready! I wonder if this will become a yearly thing, or twice a year.

Me too. Anything it takes. My arm is OUT when the eight months is up and so is every one we know and love.

[G.R.I.T.S.]

As long as Clorox isn't the manufacturer, I'm up for a booster shot.

🙄🙄🙄

[Jacob85]

I so agree with no competition as will be there as soon as I can to get it. Not even going to try to talk anyone into it! I don’t want to go through what I did before to get the shot

[Iowagirl2]

I have an extremely healthy immune system. I have not been sick at all for over 20 years. I did get both Pfizer shots back in March.

Tuesday morning I had a fever so I knew something was wrong. Went and got a rapid Covid test and tested positive.

Today is day three of quarantining my fever is gone and all I have is a small headache. Thank God I got the vaccinations. Only seven more days of quarantining. Stay safe out there.

[nick demis]

Did you think that there would only be 2 shots needed when there are several lines (not 2) on the card?

[Velvet]

Correct, we still do not know long term effects.

But, on the other hand, we know the effects of Covid for sure.

[Bill14564]

Did you think that there would only be 2 shots needed when there are several lines (not 2) on the card?

Does that mean that only two boosters will ever be necessary for Pfizer and Moderna since there are only four lines on the card? (or is the card trying to tell me I don't need to make any plans for 2023 and beyond?)

[merrymini]

it's amazing to me... all the naysayers that they interview in the hospitals seem to change their mind after they were infected and were near death.. you certainly have the right to your opinion and good luck to you.. but honestly I have NO sympathy for anyone who refuses the vaccine and then gets infected especially at our age ... but then again it's one more open T-time for me

Since the majority of people do not die, no one needs your sympathy!

[rrb48310]

Having just left my brother in laws rehab here in Boston I can tell you he wishes he could have gotten the shots he has been in mass general hospital since feb , he had no health problems before getting Covid he is in rehab to clear up the open sores that they couldn’t control all those months in intensive care and if had not been in a hospital rated one of best in world he would most likely be dead ,,someone says booster shot I say which arm.

:agree:

Wife has a close friend, who was a no-vaccine-er, in Texas visiting grandchildren and got COVID. Texas didn’t have a hospital room for her and was going to send her to New Mexico, just before they sent her a room opened up (maybe someone didn’t recover?). Now, like many others in her condition she’s telling everyone to GET VACCINATED. We haven’t heard if her grandchildren are ok. What if she recovers and a grandchild doesn’t, I couldn’t live with myself if it were me.

Get Vaccinated if not for yourself but to protect those who can’t (12 and under).

[cj1040]

Of course we will get boosters....we want to do our part to stop this epidemic. Two of our 5 grandkids are too young to be vaccinated and we care about protecting them even though they are not in Florida and wish others would be more concerned about their own social responsibility.
It is just a tiny shot for heavens sake and FREE ! We got our flu shots this week and that actually hurt !!!!
So many stupid people out there...just disgusting
Medical doctor and wife

[graciegirl]

Since the majority of people do not die, no one needs your sympathy!

I wonder if you are vaccinated, and if not how old you are. I wonder.

95 Percent of Americans Killed by COVID Were 50+ (https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2020/coronavirus-deaths-older-adults.html)

[brick010207]

it's amazing to me... all the naysayers that they interview in the hospitals seem to change their mind after they were infected and were near death.. you certainly have the right to your opinion and good luck to you.. but honestly I have NO sympathy for anyone who refuses the vaccine and then gets infected especially at our age ... but then again it's one more open T-time for me
Sorta Like Battlefield Atheist don't you think?

[brick010207]

Correct, we still do not know long term effects.
But we do know the long-term effects of getting COVID and dying

[billethkid]

Flu shot next month, covid booster in October for us.

The current surge of cases and hospitalizations that are overwhelmingly non vaccinated would suggest what to the non vaccinated?

[Ralpha]

I’m happy to say I have gotten my booster due to pulmonary issues.
We should be thankful that we have vaccines to checkmate the virus. I will gladly get booster shots whenever it’s necessary.
We are seeing what happens when ignorant fools who refuse to get vaccinated. They end up getting sick and/or die as well as spreading the virus to others. Personally, I don’t care what happens to them, but I have disdain for those who refuse to get vaccinated because it infringes on my health.

[forebubba]

it's amazing to me... all the naysayers that they interview in the hospitals seem to change their mind after they were infected and were near death.. you certainly have the right to your opinion and good luck to you.. but honestly I have NO sympathy for anyone who refuses the vaccine and then gets infected especially at our age ... but then again it's one more open T-time for me

There are many -_________ every where. I will get the booster.
Those who choose not to get vaccinated and get covid should pay for their medical Bill's. God forbid if there is a major accident like a bus crash and the hospital has no room for those injured. Move those covid patients to the parking lot

[Altavia]

Does that mean that only two boosters will ever be necessary for Pfizer and Moderna since there are only four lines on the card? (or is the card trying to tell me I don't need to make any plans for 2023 and beyond?)

The card was designed to be alyout paper record of the initial vaccination and as a reminder when to get your second shot.

I haven't seen how they will document any boosters.

[davem4616]

my wife is in active cancer treatments....she's getting the booster asap

other people don't want it...that's their choice

[Philipd411]

This is never going to end and if they keep up with boosters, Covid will get harder and harder to control.....this needs to stop!

Covid booster shots: U.S. to begin wide distribution of third vaccine doses next month (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/18/covid-booster-shots-us-to-begin-wide-distribution-of-third-vaccine-doses-next-month.html)

I expect that it will be a yearly event. I get teh flu shot and I will get this booster

[Gizemo33]

Topspinmo, please stop with the misinformation. You are spreading misinformation and that causes DEATH. By not getting booster shot you are increasing the chance of getting infected and spreading COVID-19 and the variants.

Believe the science, get vaccinated, social distance and finally wear a mask!!!!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The cash cow , and fear factor in the news , I say if you have a healthy immune system . Forget it and live your life ignore all the hand wringers and fear mongers.

..and stay out of the hospital if you get sick. Free up the space for people who chose a momentary inconvenience in exchange for the best chance at preventing a communicable disease.

[Gizemo33]

[please stop with the misinformation. You are spreading misinformation and that causes DEATH. By not getting booster shot you are increasing the chance of getting infected and spreading COVID-19 and the variants.

Believe the science, get vaccinated, social distance and finally wear a mask!!!! =forebubba;1991311]There are many -_________ every where. I will get the booster.
Those who choose not to get vaccinated and get covid should pay for their medical Bill's. God forbid if there is a major accident like a bus crash and the hospital has no room for those injured. Move those covid patients to the parking lot[/QUOTE]

[Gizemo33]

please stop with the misinformation. You are spreading misinformation and that causes DEATH. By not getting booster shot you are increasing the chance of getting infected and spreading COVID-19 and the variants.

Believe the science, get vaccinated, social distance and finally wear a mask!!!! QUOTE=billethkid;1991295]Flu shot next month, covid booster in October for us.

The current surge of cases and hospitalizations that are overwhelmingly non vaccinated would suggest what to the non vaccinated?[/QUOTE]

[Ken D.]

Me too. Anything it takes. My arm is OUT when the eight months is up and so is every one we know and love.
Except those 3 friends

[Carlsondm]

I'll get the booster if my risk factors warrant it. Got the first two. Several surviving members of my family developed or triggered long term medical problems because of Covid: type 1 diabetes in a 10 yr old, weird sense of taste and smell, breathing problems.
Do anything you can to help us stop the virus army.

[jbartle1]

Soooo, the no-vax crowd knows more then the CDC and FDA, scientist, doctors, etc. If not saving yourself, please help the rest of us save your grandchildren.

[Swoop]

Soooo, the no-vax crowd knows more then the CDC and FDA, scientist, doctors, etc. If not saving yourself, please help the rest of us save your grandchildren.

When you say “save your grandchildren”, do you have any idea what the Covid death rate in children is? Since the onset of Covid, over 4,000,000 children have contracted Covid and fewer than 400 have died. During that same timeframe, over 70,000 children have died from other causes…

[Bella6368]

I'll get mine in December. I get my flu shot every year, this'll just be another yearly vaccine and I'm fine with that.

Those who take the Covid-19 “vaccines” are MORE susceptible to the Delta Variant and have a HIGHER risk of severe disease or even death. This information comes from Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of the very mRNA technology used to transmit both the Pfizer and Moderna injections.

[graciegirl]

Those who take the Covid-19 “vaccines” are MORE susceptible to the Delta Variant and have a HIGHER risk of severe disease or even death. This information comes from Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of the very mRNA technology used to transmit both the Pfizer and Moderna injections.

People who are vaccinated against Covid-19 are NOT more susceptible to the Delta Variant. EVERYONE is more likely to catch the Delta Variant because it is more contagious. Always link your source. This is incorrect as it stands.

If you have the vaccine and catch the new variant you are safer from death or hospitalization. LORD...I am tired of preaching this ****.

[stanley]

If you have the vaccine and catch the new variant you are safer from death or hospitalization. LORD...I am tired of preaching this ****.


Then stop.........it's that simple really.

[Bella6368]

I'll get mine in December. I get my flu shot every year, this'll just be another yearly vaccine and I'm fine with that.

Those who take the Covid-19 “vaccines” are MORE susceptible to the Delta Variant and have a HIGHER risk of severe disease or even death. This information comes from Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of the very mRNA technology used to transmit both the Pfizer and Moderna injections.

[Bella6368]

People who are vaccinated against Covid-19 are NOT more susceptible to the Delta Variant. EVERYONE is more likely to catch the Delta Variant because it is more contagious. Always link your source. This is incorrect as it stands.

If you have the vaccine and catch the new variant you are safer from death or hospitalization. LORD...I am tired of preaching this ****.

Just because an "Individual" disagrees with it, does not make it incorrect!

[Bill14564]

Those who take the Covid-19 “vaccines” are MORE susceptible to the Delta Variant and have a HIGHER risk of severe disease or even death. This information comes from Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of the very mRNA technology used to transmit both the Pfizer and Moderna injections.

ANY basis for this assertion other than the word of one, single individual?

With hundreds of thousands of infections every week, tens of thousands of patients currently hospitalized, and thousands of deaths each week, where are the reports of these vaccinated individuals being MORE susceptible and having a HIGHER risk of severe disease or death? Roughly half the US population is vaccinated; if the risks were higher for vaccinated folks then you would expect roughly half the hospitalizations and deaths to be from vaccinated folks. None of the US statistics show that to be the case.

Is this simply wishful thinking from those who want to discredit the vaccines?

[almondz]

I would rather test for antibodies first, and if I had the correct numbers I would forego the booster.

This is a whole other COVID related topic that no one seems to be discussing. There are no CDC recommendations/
guidelines for antibody testing. What about quantitative antibody testing? They seem to just want us to keep adding more antibodies to our system no matter the level of antibodies in existence. The antibodies from the first shots, or from previous COVID infections, are maintained or decrease at different rates for everyone. Maybe someone has no antibodies remaining while someone else may have 98% of the antibodies remaining. I have a bit of a problem using the "one size fits all" method of vaccinating or boosting. It's like saying everyone with diabetes should take the same dosage of a specific medication. Or like giving everyone with cancer the same treatment.

[Spalumbos62]

Since no one makes money on flu shots, big pharma needed another source of revenue - et voila! Yearly COVID booster. :ohdear:

Pluuueeezzzzz

[rrb48310]

When you say “save your grandchildren”, do you have any idea what the Covid death rate in children is? Since the onset of Covid, over 4,000,000 children have contracted Covid and fewer than 400 have died. During that same timeframe, over 70,000 children have died from other causes…

Schools are just starting back in person learning, if this madness continues the death rate will climb. Shame on you for trivializing, saying fewer than 400 have died. FOUR-HUNDRED children are dead that didn’t have to die, because of the “non-vaccinated”, it should be a crime.

[Joe V.]

Schools are just starting back in person learning, if this madness continues the death rate will climb. Shame on you for trivializing, saying fewer than 400 have died. FOUR-HUNDRED children are dead that didn’t have to, because of the “non-vaccinated, it should be a crime.


According to the NTSA in 2016 motor vehicle crashes accounted for 4,074 teenage lives lost. FOUR THOUSAND and SEVENTY-FOUR children "are dead that didn’t have to" because people drove cars. See how easy it is to play your games?

[Professor]

Just don't get it if you don't want it. No law says you have to. For those of us who are immune compromised that will create less competition for the booster.

[Spalumbos62]

I'll get the booster if my risk factors warrant it. Got the first two. Several surviving members of my family developed or triggered long term medical problems because of Covid: type 1 diabetes in a 10 yr old, weird sense of taste and smell, breathing problems.
Do anything you can to help us stop the virus army.


I doubt a covid shot was reason the 10yr old got diabetes, I'm sure it's the same reason any diabetic gets it...the pancreas stops working, as did my 3yr old grandson....it happens.

[Spalumbos62]

Those who take the Covid-19 “vaccines” are MORE susceptible to the Delta Variant and have a HIGHER risk of severe disease or even death. This information comes from Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of the very mRNA technology used to transmit both the Pfizer and Moderna injections.


Show proof.

[jimjamuser]

I'll get mine in December. I get my flu shot every year, this'll just be another yearly vaccine and I'm fine with that.
I agree with the content of this post.

[Bella6368]

Thanks for citing your references and URL’s on the “reports coming in from everywhere”??? Turn of Fox noise and stop listening to conspiracy theory nutz!

But should we listen to mainstream media, LMAO?

[Bella6368]

Those who take the Covid-19 “vaccines” are MORE susceptible to the Delta Variant and have a HIGHER risk of severe disease or even death. This information comes from Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of the very mRNA technology used to transmit both the Pfizer and Moderna injections.

Here's the source btw:
mRNA Tech Inventor Dr. Robert Malone: Easier for
Delta to Kill "Vaccinated" than Jab-Free People - Freedom First Network
freedomfirstnetwork.com

[jimjamuser]

They are finding that COVID stays primarily 3 feet above the ground.

After getting your Booster the requirement will be crawl on your bellies.
6 months ago News Media showed videos of CV riding on droplets of vapor from human breathing and sneezing. The heavier droplets loaded with CV fell to the floor BEFORE traveling 3 or 4 ft. The LIGHTER droplets from breathing traveled from 6 to 7 feet and stayed high (plus 6ft) as they traveled forward. That was the reason for the recommendation for a 6 feet social distance. Those light droplets from a sneeze traveled about 15 feet. The lightest vapor droplets could remain in a room with STILL air for a LONG time (like 15 minutes - although I forget exactly). That is the reason behind the recommendation for people to meet outside whenever possible. And to have windows up and the A/C running so as to NOT have still air in places like school rooms, gyms, office buildings, hospital rooms, and basically anywhere INDOORS. These videos have been available on Youtube and Facebook for over 6 months.

[Escape Artist]

This is never going to end and if they keep up with boosters, Covid will get harder and harder to control.....this needs to stop!

Covid booster shots: U.S. to begin wide distribution of third vaccine doses next month (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/18/covid-booster-shots-us-to-begin-wide-distribution-of-third-vaccine-doses-next-month.html)

I admittedly haven't read the article but is this just another dose of the same vaccines that have already been given because their effectiveness has worn off?

Or is it something new as in a vaccine with new/different spike protein? It's disappointing that the original doses didn't seem to last more than a few months and are we going to get boosters every time there is another variant that is widely circulating? We still don't know about long-term effects of mRNA on our immune system so this strategy risky to say the least.

COVID/SARS2-CV is here to stay it will never go away despite our best efforts. It's like saying we want to eradicate influenza or the common cold (coronavirus). Maybe one day they will develop a sterilizing vaccine that can prevent infection and transmission, but don't hold your breath.

[drcar]

Here's the source btw:
mRNA Tech Inventor Dr. Robert Malone: Easier for
Delta to Kill "Vaccinated" than Jab-Free People - Freedom First Network
freedomfirstnetwork.com

Dr. Robert Malone is a anti vaccine nut case, he and Steve Bannon, have been pushing their misinformation all over the place. I do not care if you get the vaccine or not, people just need to STOP spreading the lies.

[Two Bills]

The only thing that I can find that Dr. Robert Malone invented, was Dr. Robert Malone.

[jimjamuser]

Where did this virus start? Who do you believe? Honest answers?
At this point the origin of this VIRUS is inconsequential. We can't go back in time and change it like in some Sci/Fi movie. Would it matter if a Russian or American astronaut brought it back from space?

[flflowers]

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[aallbrand]

Take advice from Doctors and health agencies . Forget about Fox News , News Max and OAN. The same broadcasters who speak against the shots are all vaccinated .

[dtennent]

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Dr. Peter McCullough is being sued by Baylor Scott & White Health for continuing to use his former professional titles.

Lawsuit: Doc Using Old Baylor Affiliation While Dishing COVID Vax Falsehoods | MedPage Today (https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/93936)

Looks like he is part of the misinformation crew. His primary work was in cardiology. However, he is using that basis to claim expertise in epidemiology and virology. I am sure that he took courses during his medical training that covered these areas but that doesn't make him an expert.

He is also advocating hydroxychloroquine as a treatment which has been debunked as an effective treatment against this virus.

[Escape Artist]

At this point the origin of this VIRUS is inconsequential. We can't go back in time and change it like in some Sci/Fi movie. Would it matter if a Russian or American astronaut brought it back from space?

Sounds like a certain woman being questioned about her responsibility for an event that cost American lives, "what difference does it make?"

That's the wrong attitude, and frankly, quite scary. Of course you have to hold the culprits accountable. Reckless or harmful actions should have consequences. At the very least it should be discussed more openly and not swept under the rug like many want to do.

I realize it's a touchy subject because China controls the world's economy and most countries are in their debt, literally. Those who do evil should face punishment of some sort, as a deterrent if nothing else. Do you think because this happened they have stopped their bio-warfare research in the Wuhan lab? Why should they, nobody asked them to.The world/IOC should at least boycott the Beijing Olympics this winter. For health and safety reasons, if nothing else. That would be a start.

[Altavia]

Here's the source btw:
mRNA Tech Inventor Dr. Robert Malone: Easier for
Delta to Kill "Vaccinated" than Jab-Free People - Freedom First Network
freedomfirstnetwork.com

Real-world data from several mid-sized Florida hospitals demonstrate thIs is false.

[drducat]

Breakthru.........COVID-19 Breakthrough Case Investigations and Reporting | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html)

[Rose Ann Vinci Igoe]

This is never going to end and if they keep up with boosters, Covid will get harder and harder to control.....this needs to stop!

Covid booster shots: U.S. to begin wide distribution of third vaccine doses next month (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/18/covid-booster-shots-us-to-begin-wide-distribution-of-third-vaccine-doses-next-month.html)

CVS, Walgreens, Publix is already doing booster sign up on line. Available all over the villages. Got appointment next day. I just received mine yesterday. Bring Vaccine card... Medicare and ID ... they will ask if your are compromised.... no proof required but your word. If you are NOT 100% in good health, you are compromised. Easy Peezy... glad I did it... and would do it again.. my friends who have been vaccinated.. got covid, 5 months later, landed in hospital very very ill. Girl friend died in l4 days, because she waited too long and figured she was careful....

[jimjamuser]

Dr. Peter Hotez of Baylor Univ. has stated that children who have initially recovered from CV have long-term deterioration of the gray matter of their BRAINS. Pediatric neurological studies are being conducted to determine just HOW BAD the problem really is. The Pediatricians KNOW that there is a problem. The 10-year-old mentioned here could have symptoms of poor breathing, type one diabetes, and a difficult sense of smell associated with long-term CV symptoms. It is very sad that this is happening and I will respect BOTH those affected and the Science that is working to prevent and alleviate this terrible Pandemic. Please get as vaccinated as possible!

[Escape Artist]

CVS, Walgreens, Publix is already doing booster sign up on line. Available all over the villages. Got appointment next day. I just received mine yesterday. Bring Vaccine card... Medicare and ID ... they will ask if your are compromised.... no proof required but your word. If you are NOT 100% in good health, you are compromised. Easy Peezy... glad I did it... and would do it again.. my friends who have been vaccinated.. got covid, 5 months later, landed in hospital very very ill. Girl friend died in l4 days, because she waited too long and figured she was careful....

Are you willing to get these every month because eventually that's what it might take.

[sail33or]

One of the reasons for the Booster is that the vaccine data coming in shows it is ineffective. (Doesn't work).

Go look at Hawaii. Google it. 99.5% of all people 65 and older have been vaccinated. Covid is SURGING to NEW HIGHS in Hawaii for those 65 and older. HMMMM.

Now all the vaccinated folks are safe from DYING RIGHT?? So do not worry about anti-vaxers. Wear your masks forever. No sweat. Tommy Copper is selling designer masks to go with different outfits.

[Escape Artist]

Dr. Peter Hotez of Baylor Univ. has stated that children who have initially recovered from CV have long-term deterioration of the gray matter of their BRAINS. Pediatric neurological studies are being conducted to determine just HOW BAD the problem really is. The Pediatricians KNOW that there is a problem. The 10-year-old mentioned here could have symptoms of poor breathing, type one diabetes, and a difficult sense of smell associated with long-term CV symptoms. It is very sad that this is happening and I will respect BOTH those affected and the Science that is working to prevent and alleviate this terrible Pandemic. Please get as vaccinated as possible!

Funny that credence is being given to this one report but hundreds of cases of heart inflammation from the vaccine in young adult males was quickly swept under the rug by the CDC.

[jimjamuser]

Schools are just starting back in person learning, if this madness continues the death rate will climb. Shame on you for trivializing, saying fewer than 400 have died. FOUR-HUNDRED children are dead that didn’t have to die, because of the “non-vaccinated”, it should be a crime.
And cases could be ? (should have been?) today at around 300,000 cases. If Medical Science had been followed instead of being ignored. We were asked to stay only outdoors when in large groups. We were asked to stay 6 or more feet away from any non-family members. We were asked to wear masks. Later, we were asked to vaccine ourselves if we were eligible. We messed up on ALL those important areas. And now we have a worse variant circulating. We did this to ourselves - it is like we chose to be in a car wreck. Does the future seem bright for us, our children, and our grandchildren? What have we left them with because of ALL our arguing?

[Escape Artist]

It will be interesting to observe what happens when all those smug, supercilious pro-vaxxers wake up one day and discover their immune systems are shot and there's now a deadly variant circulating that is immune to the effects of the vaccines and the boosters.

Who will they blame? Not China, right, because what difference would it make? Maybe they'll blame all those wise people who have been urging vaccinations and penalizing those who don't get them? Not a chance! they'll find a convenient scapegoat but you can bet it won't be those who led them astray.

This will never leave us until a true, sterilizing vaccine is developed which can prevent infection and transmission. Until then, the CDC, Fauci, the so-called experts, etc. are just pi**ing into the wind.

[jimjamuser]

I doubt a covid shot was reason the 10yr old got diabetes, I'm sure it's the same reason any diabetic gets it...the pancreas stops working, as did my 3yr old grandson....it happens.
I read carsondm's post a little differently. I thought that they meant getting "Covid" as opposed to getting "Covid shots".

[Velvet]

One of the reasons for the Booster is that the vaccine data coming in shows it is ineffective. (Doesn't work).

Go look at Hawaii. Google it. 99.5% of all people 65 and older have been vaccinated. Covid is SURGING to NEW HIGHS in Hawaii for those 65 and older. HMMMM.

Now all the vaccinated folks are safe from DYING RIGHT?? So do not worry about anti-vaxers. Wear your masks forever. No sweat. Tommy Copper is selling designer masks to go with different outfits.

Effect of vaccine wanes. Sort of like saying you ate yesterday, what you are hungry again today?

[Joanne19335]

I'll get mine in December. I get my flu shot every year, this'll just be another yearly vaccine and I'm fine with that.

Amen. Me, too.

[jimjamuser]

But should we listen to mainstream media, LMAO?
The US mainstream media was the traditional media that was trusted by about 250,000,000 people for ALL of the 19 hundreds (1901-1999). The US reporters were considered the best and most honest in the world. Traditional newscasters would inform US society about new medications - about new vaccines against polio, the flu, chickenpox, scarlet fever, and many other DEADLY diseases. The traditional media was always believed and acted upon by Americans. We believed them when they said that Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor. Now we might not believe things that we all saw on TV. How and why did that all change? I MUST be super conservative, because I still believe in the traditional media! I will continue to get ALL shots recommended by 97% of all US doctors, the CDC, and traditional media.

[billethkid]

Don't the current new cases, hospitalizations and deaths, that are for the most part those not vaccinated attest to the fact that vaccines are the better alternative?

[graciegirl]

Funny that credence is being given to this one report but hundreds of cases of heart inflammation from the vaccine in young adult males was quickly swept under the rug by the CDC.

It appears to be mild and clears up well.

Myocarditis and Pericarditis Following mRNA COVID-19 Vaccination | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html)

You act like the scientists are the enemy.

[jimjamuser]

Funny that credence is being given to this one report but hundreds of cases of heart inflammation from the vaccine in young adult males was quickly swept under the rug by the CDC.
If DEATHS are in the "hundreds" and the largest number in the "hundreds" is 999 - and I divide 999 by 166,000,000 - which is the number of US persons vaccinated - I get .000006 - then, if I say that makes 1/2 of total vaccinations to be that of males, then I use 83 million as the denominator - or 999 divided by 83 million, which equals .000012

Now, I am not sure what the exact number of "young adult males" is? It would be smaller than the number of total males vaccinated, so assume it is 30% - or 24,900000. So, 999 divided by 24,900,000 equals .0004 - which means that .04 of one % of all young, vaccinated people would have died

After all those assumptions, it would seem like the main summary is that it is MUCH, MUCH better to be vaccinated!!!!!!

[ThirdOfFive]

If DEATHS are in the "hundreds" and the largest number in the "hundreds" is 999 - and I divide 999 by 166,000,000 - which is the number of US persons vaccinated - I get .000006 - then, if I say that makes 1/2 of total vaccinations to be that of males, then I use 83 million as the denominator - or 999 divided by 83 million, which equals .000012

Now, I am not sure what the exact number of "young adult males" is? It would be smaller than the number of total males vaccinated, so assume it is 30% - or 24,900000. So, 999 divided by 24,900,000 equals .0004 - which means that .04 of one % of all young, vaccinated people would have died

After all those assumptions, it would seem like the main summary is that it is MUCH, MUCH better to be vaccinated!!!!!!
A few years back we welcomed a new worker to our unit. Starry-eyed, just out of grad school, shiny new license, the works. A couple of months after she arrived, during one of our Friday afternoon bull sessions, I observed that "I only hope I live long enough to die of something".

She looked at me and said, in all seriousness, "I know EXACTLY what you mean".

Scary.

[Bucco]

It appears to be mild and clears up well.

Myocarditis and Pericarditis Following mRNA COVID-19 Vaccination | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html)

You act like the scientists are the enemy.

I have said this many times, and nobody agrees with me, but they are not anti scientist.

They are anti government. Any scientist that says it’s all a hoax or you don’t need to do what is suggested, they would embrace that science.

[DaleDivine]

Me and mine will be getting the boosters. Doc told us yesterday to wait eight months from the date of the second shot. Get the same kind unless they have decided otherwise at that time.

Lots of people agreed with me about getting the booster on my Facebook page too, young and old, Villagers and folks clear over in London. A really nice list posted that they would be sticking out their arm to get the booster when it is the right time. The Villages Health Centers now offer the Moderna Shots.... Our daughter had the Pfizer, (we drove her to Orlando to get hers)...because she was younger and that is the place that it was first offered for those younger.

Every single person I know and love have had the vaccine. Except for three. I keep hoping that they too will get the first two. Before they get sick and you know...

My wife and I will be getting our booster...
:pray::pray:

[stanley]

I have said this many times, and nobody agrees with me, but they are not anti scientist.

They are anti government. Any scientist that says it’s all a hoax or you don’t need to do what is suggested, they would embrace that science.

Come out of the cave......there are a lot of people that are smarter than you think.

[I'm Popeye!]

Correct, we still do not know long term effects.

In your 60s and worrying about long term effects! :1rotfl:

[Escape Artist]

Effect of vaccine wanes. Sort of like saying you ate yesterday, what you are hungry again today?

Exactly! But that's not a good thing. With the flu vaccine you get it at the beginning of flu season, more or less, and then by late spring it's probably worn off but the worst part of flu season is over. With this, you're going to have to keep getting jabbed no matter what season it is! There is no "COVID" season.

[Escape Artist]

It appears to be mild and clears up well.

Myocarditis and Pericarditis Following mRNA COVID-19 Vaccination | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html)

You act like the scientists are the enemy.

I wouldn't like to chance it with my son or grandson. It could result in heart damage which is often difficult to diagnose in young people.

I knew a college-age kid who suddenly dropped dead for no apparent reason. He was an athlete, a basketball player, so he had great cardio and was in fantastic shape. Later, the family released a statement saying everyone should not take it for granted that their kids are healthy just because they appear to be so. The young man had an undetected heart condition of unknown cause so it was truly a tragedy for the family and something they will never get over.

My point is something like myocarditis or pericarditis (which is worse as my mom developed that after her pacemaker was implanted) might cause a heart defect. For that reason, and given the still unknown side effects of these powerful vaccines, I don't think they should be given to anyone under 25.

[drducat]

Dr. Peter McCullough is being sued by Baylor Scott & White Health for continuing to use his former professional titles.

Lawsuit: Doc Using Old Baylor Affiliation While Dishing COVID Vax Falsehoods | MedPage Today (https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/93936)

Looks like he is part of the misinformation crew. His primary work was in cardiology. However, he is using that basis to claim expertise in epidemiology and virology. I am sure that he took courses during his medical training that covered these areas but that doesn't make him an expert.

He is also advocating hydroxychloroquine as a treatment which has been debunked as an effective treatment against this virus.

hydroxychloroquine is the delivery system for allowing zinc to neutralize a virus so it can't replicate.........that is a fact and is being used around the world......still.


Hydroxychloroquine, a less toxic derivative of chloroquine, is effective in inhibiting SARS-CoV-2 infection in vitro | Cell Discovery (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41421-020-0156-0)

[jswirs]

Take advice from Doctors and health agencies . Forget about Fox News , News Max and OAN. The same broadcasters who speak against the shots are all vaccinated .

Okay, so, what news source should we listen to? Do you recommend CNN? Truthfully, none of them are dispersing just news. All of them are giving their own opinions, and calling that news.

[Nucky]

I’ll be first in line

You can be first in line just behind us. We are special. Lol

Great post by the way!

[Bob.Betty]

just had covid, no worse then the flu

[Chi-Town]

just had covid, no worse then the flu

Do you get the flu shot?

[TNLAKEPANDA]

You all need to do some research on what this rDNA is doing inside your body. This is not a vaccine and it’s not FDA approved. Blind trust in the Government and Big Pharma is not a good thing. Every time you get more injected you are potentially causing more damage. Visual Display of How mRNA Vaccine Affects Cells (https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/08/20/how-mrna-vaccine-affects-cells.aspx)

[golfing eagles]

I wouldn't like to chance it with my son or grandson. It could result in heart damage which is often difficult to diagnose in young people.

I knew a college-age kid who suddenly dropped dead for no apparent reason. He was an athlete, a basketball player, so he had great cardio and was in fantastic shape. Later, the family released a statement saying everyone should not take it for granted that their kids are healthy just because they appear to be so. The young man had an undetected heart condition of unknown cause so it was truly a tragedy for the family and something they will never get over.

My point is something like myocarditis or pericarditis (which is worse as my mom developed that after her pacemaker was implanted) might cause a heart defect. For that reason, and given the still unknown side effects of these powerful vaccines, I don't think they should be given to anyone under 25.

Hmmmmm.......

The CDC
The NIH
The WHO
and just about every virologist, epidemiologist and practicing physician.....Based on scientific studies and volumes of data.....
Think they should

On the other hand, there's your opinion

Gee, tough call:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

You all need to do some research on what this rDNA is doing inside your body. This is not a vaccine and it’s not FDA approved. Blind trust in the Government and Big Pharma is not a good thing. Every time you get more injected you are potentially causing more damage. Visual Display of How mRNA Vaccine Affects Cells (https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/08/20/how-mrna-vaccine-affects-cells.aspx)

And some people need to do the RIGHT research from REPUTABLE sources----mercola.com does not qualify

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

And some people need to do the RIGHT research from REPUTABLE sources----mercola.com does not qualify

The "rMRA" and "mDNA" mention in the same post reeks of the same conspiracy that created the fallacious trend of dairy labeling and scaremongering when rBGH/rBST was a thing. Yes, Monstanto is a big powerful scary company that produces dangerous things.

But no, bovine somatotropin is not the big hairy monster people think it is. There are no elevated amounts of it in the milk you drink, and there is no way of telling whether the milk you're drinking has ONLY the natural BST that the cow manufactures all by herself, or the rBST which is injected into her to make her produce more milk. The two are molecularly identical. The labeling is merely marketing jargon, it has no significance of any kind, whatsoever.

This is the same kind of strategy used by the anti-vax movement which wants you to be afraid of "big Pharma."

[Bonnevie]

hydroxychloroquine is the delivery system for allowing zinc to neutralize a virus so it can't replicate.........that is a fact and is being used around the world......still.


Hydroxychloroquine, a less toxic derivative of chloroquine, is effective in inhibiting SARS-CoV-2 infection in vitro | Cell Discovery (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41421-020-0156-0)

and yet wasn't given to the last president when he was ill with covid...he was given antibodies that fight covid. what else produces antibodies...oh, yeah, the vaccine.

btw, there's plenty of hydroxychloroquine to be had.....Florida bought almost a million doses, OK is trying to return about 2 million dollars worth to name just two

[Malsua]

hydroxychloroquine is the delivery system for allowing zinc to neutralize a virus so it can't replicate.........that is a fact and is being used around the world......still.


Hydroxychloroquine, a less toxic derivative of chloroquine, is effective in inhibiting SARS-CoV-2 infection in vitro | Cell Discovery (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41421-020-0156-0)

HCQ with Zinc does help as an anti-viral if taken very early in the disease course. Once the viral replication phase is over, and the other dysregulation starts happening, HCQ+Zinc has essentially no effect. Lots of the trials, specially the abominable Recovery trial point out that in the later phases, HCQ trends to harm, specially at the toxic doses as were given in the recovery trial.

Quercetin is an over the counter supplement that is also a zinc Ionophore and does essentially the same function as HCQ as it relates to zinc. It can be taken as prophylaxes without any of the side-effects.

We know that zinc does inhibit Sars-cov2 replication in vivo. Just taking a zinc supplement without an ionophore though will result in a low concentration in the cells, probably too low to do much good. The ionophore will raise the cellular concentrations dramatically, enough to start having an effect. It could be the difference between the sniffles and a bad go of it.

[Byte1]

When i got my first covid shot they told me there would be a booster in approx 6 months because that’s how long the shot would last. Did they not tell you that when you got yours? Do you not get your tetanus booster every 10 years? Boosters aren’t new or simply covid related. …..:ho:

Hmm, maybe I'll wait 10 years for my booster.....:)

[Byte1]

They are finding that COVID stays primarily 3 feet above the ground.

After getting your Booster the requirement will be crawl on your bellies.

I bet if fauci tells them that they can avoid Covid by crawling on their bellies, we would see a lot of them crawling through Publix and Walmart.

[graciegirl]

Since the majority of people do not die, no one needs your sympathy!

I don't understand this post.

[dtennent]

hydroxychloroquine is the delivery system for allowing zinc to neutralize a virus so it can't replicate.........that is a fact and is being used around the world......still.


Hydroxychloroquine, a less toxic derivative of chloroquine, is effective in inhibiting SARS-CoV-2 infection in vitro | Cell Discovery (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41421-020-0156-0)

1) The article that you reference says nothing about zinc.

2) The paper is a comparison of hydroxychloroquine vs chloroquine in an experiment done in vitro using cells from African green monkey kidney VeroE6 cells (ATCC-1586). While in vitro studies are useful in designing future studies on animals/humans, they do not replace in vivo studies.

3) They appear to compare results done at much higher drug concentrations (1.85 to 16.67 umolar) with the blood serum levels of 1.5 umolar. It isn't clear to me that their conclusions are valid.

[graciegirl]

I bet if fauci tells them that they can avoid Covid by crawling on their bellies, we would see a lot of them crawling through Publix and Walmart.

I don't understand this post.

[graciegirl]

and yet wasn't given to the last president when he was ill with covid...he was given antibodies that fight covid. what else produces antibodies...oh, yeah, the vaccine.

btw, there's plenty of hydroxychloroquine to be had.....Florida bought almost a million doses, OK is trying to return about 2 million dollars worth to name just two

Who or what is "OK"???

[biker1]

Oklahoma, where the wind comes sweepin' down the plain.

Who or what is "OK"???

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Who or what is "OK"???

It's the abbreviation of one of the United States. To be specific, Oklahoma. Reading each word, in order, helps understand the poorly-written post.

btw, there's plenty of hydroxychloroquine to be had.....Florida bought almost a million doses, OK is trying to return about 2 million dollars worth to name just two
Translated to "reasonably understandable English":

By the way, there is plenty of hydroxychloroquine available. Florida bought nearly one million doses, and Oklahoma is trying to return two million's worth, to name just two states among the fifty.

[Byte1]

For crying out loud, run and get your booster shot. Fight to be first in line, because surely your two shots have expired and becoming infected is imminent. Now everyone knows that you are going to get the booster and some right along with their yearly flu shot. Fantastic!
My opinion, which is about as relevant as anyone else's is: I have no intention of spending hours on the computer every morning, fighting for a position/appointment in some far location for this booster shot. I did it for my spouse and was glad to do it for her. The bonus was that I was able to get mine at the same time. Would I have secured a spot for my own shot if not for her? Probably not. All my children but one and all my grandchildren except the very youngest have had Covid and the worst case was equal to a mild cold. Two of my family have had Covid twice, and the only hindrance was having to quarantine, not being able to go to work until they received a negative test result.
I have never had the flu and do not get the flu shot. From what I understand (and I may be wrong) is that the flu shot you get this year is NOT for the current version of the FLU but based upon the previous years of FLU. I'm in pretty good shape and take NO prescription medications.
Will I get the booster? I don't know. If they offer it to me when/IF my spouse gets a booster, then maybe. Am I concerned about the chance of infection? I went over a year without becoming infected so far. I haven't been infected by the FLU either so I must be doing something right or one of the luckiest 70's yo in the country.
Do I believe in vaccinations? Sure, I think everyone else should get them. Do I believe that folks should be bullied into getting them? NO, I do not. Do I think that those that decline are stupid? No, it is their right and it is their personal choice. Do I care whether or not folks believe their health insurance goes up due to someone else's personal choices? No, I do not care. Do I worry about what an infection might do to me? No, because I have the greatest confidence that IF/IF I ever get infected, it will not kill me. Everyone will die eventually and I believe that whether or not I get the vaccination, I will likely live into my 90's.
My spouse beat death out several times. If she wants the booster, I will gladly assist her. If she declines, I will respect her choice and will not think less of her. Just like I will not think less of anyone on here or my neighbors that decline vaccination.
Some of you are really-really terrible at convincing those that are undecided to get vaccinated. If you want to convince, it is my opinion that proving or providing proof that the vaccine is safe would be the best way to influence folks. I believe the vaccines are safe and think that folks that have medical issues SHOULD be vaccinated. But, I do not know you so IF you die I won't miss you. I am sure there are some that will, though.

[billethkid]

What does "vaccine is (or is not safe) mean?

Does the fact that half the population of the USA has been vaccinated with significant positive end result account for anything?

How about the current Delta wave new cases and hospitalizations are predominantly non vaccinated?

The ongoing drum beat about whether the vaccine is safe is a special interest group smoke job.

We choose to be vaccinated to be in a group that is now no longer vulnerable to serious illness and or death.

And if others have chosen to not be vaccinated they know they have chosen to be a part of the most vulnerable group.

The outlook on almost anything these days seems to be .....if you do not agree with someone then they are wrong......
That is wrong!!!

The media and special interest groups nurture the disrespecting the other person's right to choose?

[Samcat13]

If its free I'll take it. A true senior.

[lkagele]

Hmmmmm.......

The CDC
The NIH
The WHO
and just about every virologist, epidemiologist and practicing physician.....Based on scientific studies and volumes of data.....
Think they should

On the other hand, there's your opinion

Gee, tough call:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Those organizations don't exactly have stellar reputations as far as being straight shooters is concerned. I don't follow any advice from any of them until I've done further research.

And, speaking of further research, I've been reading about spike proteins. These are the little critters the vaccines make that trick your cells into making antibodies. There is considerable literature out there making me very leery about getting the booster. Apparently these proteins have the ability to cross the blood/brain barrier. They also can effect your DNA, immune system and the genetic material that slows the aging process. All of this has potential for adverse effects.

I really want the vaccine to be safe but I'm beginning to wonder. Almost wish I would come down with COVID so my body would create natural antibodies. Far out there, I know but I'm healthy and really not afraid of this disease.

[Bill14564]

Those organizations don't exactly have stellar reputations as far as being straight shooters is concerned. I don't follow any advice from any of them until I've done further research.

And, speaking of further research, I've been reading about spike proteins. These are the little critters the vaccines make that trick your cells into making antibodies. There is considerable literature out there making me very leery about getting the booster. Apparently these proteins have the ability to cross the blood/brain barrier. They also can effect your DNA, immune system and the genetic material that slows the aging process. All of this has potential for adverse effects.

I really want the vaccine to be safe but I'm beginning to wonder. Almost wish I would come down with COVID so my body would create natural antibodies. Far out there, I know but I'm healthy and really not afraid of this disease.

Just want to state up front that I'm pro-vaccine so I have a bias.

Do these articles that you are finding give a fair representation of the vaccine? Do they acknowledge its role in saving thousands from getting sick and dying or do they push that aside and give you twelve reasons to not be vaccinated? If they only present one side of the argument, especially if they ignore the benefit and only focus on what they want to present as the negative, then I would think hard before trusting them.

It would be great if there was a way to pre-screen for bad outcomes from Covid. If you could enter your temperature, weight, and blood pressure and have confidence that you would have nothing more than sniffles it would make the pandemic easier to beat. But some of the 900+ people who are dying every day were sure that they were safe from the virus too - they were wrong.

The articles all want you to avoid the vaccine and they give a dozens reasons why you should do so. They all seem to predict some dire outcome if you take the vaccine but don't mention what will happen if you don't. About half the US population has been vaccinated by now, some for eight months. How many doses must be administered and how much time must pass before these deadly outcomes that the article predict come true? More than 900 people each day are dying from the virus, how many are dying from the vaccine?

Several posts have said, "just wait, you'll see." Maybe so, maybe not, but the several thousand that die each week won't be around to find out if the anti-vax articles were right.

[Velvet]

Those organizations don't exactly have stellar reputations as far as being straight shooters is concerned. I don't follow any advice from any of them until I've done further research.

And, speaking of further research, I've been reading about spike proteins. These are the little critters the vaccines make that trick your cells into making antibodies. There is considerable literature out there making me very leery about getting the booster. Apparently these proteins have the ability to cross the blood/brain barrier. They also can effect your DNA, immune system and the genetic material that slows the aging process. All of this has potential for adverse effects.

I really want the vaccine to be safe but I'm beginning to wonder. Almost wish I would come down with COVID so my body would create natural antibodies. Far out there, I know but I'm healthy and really not afraid of this disease.

This type of argument always amazes me. One is afraid of proteins having the ability to cross barriers… so what? I’m not sure what that implies… but not afraid of the virus which is known to cause death. What can be more scary than dying a painful, prolonged, lonely death? Or living with very reduced quality of life after long haul Covid?
I guess each of us chooses what they are afraid of.

[Lindsyburnsy]

This is never going to end and if they keep up with boosters, Covid will get harder and harder to control.....this needs to stop!

Covid booster shots: U.S. to begin wide distribution of third vaccine doses next month (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/18/covid-booster-shots-us-to-begin-wide-distribution-of-third-vaccine-doses-next-month.html)
For God’s sake, get the booster. It’s like getting a yearly flu shot. What’s the big deal??? Is this some idiotic political thing?? Yet the monoclonal antibodies treatment is okay? Egads. ������

[golfing eagles]

For crying out loud, run and get your booster shot. Fight to be first in line, because surely your two shots have expired and becoming infected is imminent. Now everyone knows that you are going to get the booster and some right along with their yearly flu shot. Fantastic!
My opinion, which is about as relevant as anyone else's is: I have no intention of spending hours on the computer every morning, fighting for a position/appointment in some far location for this booster shot. I did it for my spouse and was glad to do it for her. The bonus was that I was able to get mine at the same time. Would I have secured a spot for my own shot if not for her? Probably not. All my children but one and all my grandchildren except the very youngest have had Covid and the worst case was equal to a mild cold. Two of my family have had Covid twice, and the only hindrance was having to quarantine, not being able to go to work until they received a negative test result.
I have never had the flu and do not get the flu shot. From what I understand (and I may be wrong) is that the flu shot you get this year is NOT for the current version of the FLU but based upon the previous years of FLU. I'm in pretty good shape and take NO prescription medications.
Will I get the booster? I don't know. If they offer it to me when/IF my spouse gets a booster, then maybe. Am I concerned about the chance of infection? I went over a year without becoming infected so far. I haven't been infected by the FLU either so I must be doing something right or one of the luckiest 70's yo in the country.
Do I believe in vaccinations? Sure, I think everyone else should get them. Do I believe that folks should be bullied into getting them? NO, I do not. Do I think that those that decline are stupid? No, it is their right and it is their personal choice. Do I care whether or not folks believe their health insurance goes up due to someone else's personal choices? No, I do not care. Do I worry about what an infection might do to me? No, because I have the greatest confidence that IF/IF I ever get infected, it will not kill me. Everyone will die eventually and I believe that whether or not I get the vaccination, I will likely live into my 90's.
My spouse beat death out several times. If she wants the booster, I will gladly assist her. If she declines, I will respect her choice and will not think less of her. Just like I will not think less of anyone on here or my neighbors that decline vaccination.
Some of you are really-really terrible at convincing those that are undecided to get vaccinated. If you want to convince, it is my opinion that proving or providing proof that the vaccine is safe would be the best way to influence folks. I believe the vaccines are safe and think that folks that have medical issues SHOULD be vaccinated. But, I do not know you so IF you die I won't miss you. I am sure there are some that will, though.

1) I have no intention of spending hours on the computer every morning, fighting for a position/appointment in some far location for this booster shot.

For what it is worth, the powers that be are telling us there will be plenty of vaccine availability for the boosters for everyone.

2) From what I understand (and I may be wrong) is that the flu shot you get this year is NOT for the current version of the FLU but based upon the previous years of FLU.

Not quite. The CDC and WHO go to predominantly SE Asia and China in Dec-Feb and sample people for the strains of influenza that are predominating----which is usually the ones that will hit the US starting in the fall. They give those strains to the vaccine manufacturers (of which the last US company was Wyeth in 1997 because our lawyers put them all out of business so now we rely 100% on foreign sources for flu shots), and the vaccine is produced over the summer for distribution in the fall/winter. It's not a perfect process but reasonable.

3) Do I think that those that decline are stupid? No, it is their right and it is their personal choice.

Yes, but the two are not mutually exclusive:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

Those organizations don't exactly have stellar reputations as far as being straight shooters is concerned. I don't follow any advice from any of them until I've done further research.

And, speaking of further research, I've been reading about spike proteins. These are the little critters the vaccines make that trick your cells into making antibodies. There is considerable literature out there making me very leery about getting the booster. Apparently these proteins have the ability to cross the blood/brain barrier. They also can effect your DNA, immune system and the genetic material that slows the aging process. All of this has potential for adverse effects.

I really want the vaccine to be safe but I'm beginning to wonder. Almost wish I would come down with COVID so my body would create natural antibodies. Far out there, I know but I'm healthy and really not afraid of this disease.

Hmmmmm.....

1) Hundreds of physicians in the 3 largest health organizations in the world specializing in infectious diseases, immunology, epidemiology, and virology. Hundreds of PhD. scientists on one side of the scale. And on the other side, you doing "your own" research. I sense the scale might be tipped a bit against you.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

2) Yes, the last part was "far out there". I'm glad you are healthy and would like you to stay that way. But realize "this disease" has killed 25 year olds in less than a week. You don't have to fear it, but please respect it and do what is required to stay healthy.

[Rose Ann Vinci Igoe]

It will be hard to decide...

good post and factual...

[unialimon]

This is an experiment on humans (unheard of).
Why are 50% of healthcare workers not getting it?

Why are physicians being coached o how to fill out death certificates by the Dept of health?
Why is the inventor of the mrna history being erased online?
Why are victims of the vaccine being silenced?

75 years ago Hermann Goring (NAZI) testified, The only thing a government needs to make people slaves is fear.
Civil disobedience becomes a sacred duty when the state becomes lawless or corrupt.
Just wait until they flip the switch.
This vaccine is only about Mass depopulation.
Good Luck Sheeple.

[Dana1963]

This is an experiment on humans (unheard of).
Why are 50% of healthcare workers not getting it?

Why are physicians being coached o how to fill out death certificates by the Dept of health?
Why is the inventor of the mrna history being erased online?
Why are victims of the vaccine being silenced?

75 years ago Hermann Goring (NAZI) testified, The only thing a government needs to make people slaves is fear.
Civil disobedience becomes a sacred duty when the state becomes lawless or corrupt.
Just wait until they flip the switch.
This vaccine is only about Mass depopulation.
Good Luck Sheeple.
I know which tv stations you've been watching. The best one for conspiracy theories is “InfoWars”

[Bogie Shooter]

This is an experiment on humans (unheard of).
Why are 50% of healthcare workers not getting it?

Why are physicians being coached o how to fill out death certificates by the Dept of health?
Why is the inventor of the mrna history being erased online?
Why are victims of the vaccine being silenced?

75 years ago Hermann Goring (NAZI) testified, The only thing a government needs to make people slaves is fear.
Civil disobedience becomes a sacred duty when the state becomes lawless or corrupt.
Just wait until they flip the switch.
This vaccine is only about Mass depopulation.
Good Luck Sheeple.
Qanon.

[golfing eagles]

This is an experiment on humans (unheard of).
Why are 50% of healthcare workers not getting it?

Why are physicians being coached o how to fill out death certificates by the Dept of health?
Why is the inventor of the mrna history being erased online?
Why are victims of the vaccine being silenced?

75 years ago Hermann Goring (NAZI) testified, The only thing a government needs to make people slaves is fear.
Civil disobedience becomes a sacred duty when the state becomes lawless or corrupt.
Just wait until they flip the switch.
This vaccine is only about Mass depopulation.
Good Luck Sheeple.

Wow, I guess the tin foil hats just aren't what they used to be
I think a major neuroleptic is in order-----Thorazine or Prolixin come to mind
For some people it's a good thing that all the large mental institutions have closed their doors

[unialimon]

I know which tv stations you've been watching. The best one for conspiracy theories is “InfoWars”

never watched “InfoWars” didn't even know it was on tv.

[Velvet]

Qanon.

You mean the poster was serious? I just find some of the comments as funny. Between TOTV and the comics section….

[Altavia]

Getting harder and more expensive to find heath care workers. Wonder why?

[drducat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0nAqgQafhQ

[Velvet]

Like in Star Wars; “It’s a good day … to die!”

[Bill14564]

The latest installment from the "would you all just hurry up and die" corner of the universe.

[golfing eagles]

Like in Star Wars; “It’s a good day … to die!”

Actually, that's a Klingon saying from "Star Trek"

[Velvet]

Those who take the Covid-19 “vaccines” are MORE susceptible to the Delta Variant and have a HIGHER risk of severe disease or even death. This information comes from Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of the very mRNA technology used to transmit both the Pfizer and Moderna injections.

Dear poster, why don’t you do a little bit of analysis yourself? Look at the data in the various countries or, if you prefer only the US, the different states and compare the number of people who are vaccinated who get Covid to the number of people who are not. Do the same for hospitalization. If you are here you have internet. The main strain is Delta now so you’ll be comparing oranges to oranges. See for yourself. Don’t take my word for it or anyone else’s. Look for yourself.

[Velvet]

Actually, that's a Klingon saying from "Star Trek"

Darn, I knew it was Star something.

[Escape Artist]

1) I have no intention of spending hours on the computer every morning, fighting for a position/appointment in some far location for this booster shot.

For what it is worth, the powers that be are telling us there will be plenty of vaccine availability for the boosters for everyone.

2) From what I understand (and I may be wrong) is that the flu shot you get this year is NOT for the current version of the FLU but based upon the previous years of FLU.

Not quite. The CDC and WHO go to predominantly SE Asia and China in Dec-Feb and sample people for the strains of influenza that are predominating----which is usually the ones that will hit the US starting in the fall. They give those strains to the vaccine manufacturers (of which the last US company was Wyeth in 1997 because our lawyers put them all out of business so now we rely 100% on foreign sources for flu shots), and the vaccine is produced over the summer for distribution in the fall/winter. It's not a perfect process but reasonable.

3) Do I think that those that decline are stupid? No, it is their right and it is their personal choice.

Yes, but the two are not mutually exclusive:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Why would Asia get the flu strains first? Their flu season is the same as ours. I heard they track the flu strains in countries in the southern hemisphere, i.e. Australia and South America.

[Love2Swim]

and yet wasn't given to the last president when he was ill with covid...he was given antibodies that fight covid. what else produces antibodies...oh, yeah, the vaccine.

btw, there's plenty of hydroxychloroquine to be had.....Florida bought almost a million doses, OK is trying to return about 2 million dollars worth to name just two

:bigbow:

[drducat]

Dear poster, why don’t you do a little bit of analysis yourself? Look at the data in the various countries or, if you prefer only the US, the different states and compare the number of people who are vaccinated who get Covid to the number of people who are not. Do the same for hospitalization. If you are here you have internet. The main strain is Delta now so you’ll be comparing oranges to oranges. See for yourself. Don’t take my word for it or anyone else’s. Look for yourself.

The Vaccinated Are Worried and Scientists Don’t Have Answers

Was afraid of this being the case....:MOJE_whot:

The Vaccinated Are Worried and Scientists Don’t Have Answers (https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/the-vaccinated-are-worried-and-scientists-don-t-have-answers/ar-AANzgN7?ocid=uxbndlbing)


Anecdotes tell us what the data can’t: Vaccinated people appear to be getting the coronavirus at a surprisingly high rate. But exactly how often isn’t clear, nor is it certain how likely they are to spread the virus to others. And now, there’s growing concern that vaccinated people may be more vulnerable to serious illness than previously thought.

There’s a dearth of scientific studies with concrete answers, leaving public policy makers and corporate executives to formulate plans based on fragmented information.

[golfing eagles]

Why would Asia get the flu strains first? Their flu season is the same as ours. I heard they track the flu strains in countries in the southern hemisphere, i.e. Australia and South America.

Because that's just the way it is, no idea why. They do sample S America as well

[Bill14564]

The Vaccinated Are Worried and Scientists Don’t Have Answers

Was afraid of this being the case....:MOJE_whot:

The Vaccinated Are Worried and Scientists Don’t Have Answers (https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/the-vaccinated-are-worried-and-scientists-don-t-have-answers/ar-AANzgN7?ocid=uxbndlbing)


Anecdotes tell us what the data can’t: Vaccinated people appear to be getting the coronavirus at a surprisingly high rate. But exactly how often isn’t clear, nor is it certain how likely they are to spread the virus to others. And now, there’s growing concern that vaccinated people may be more vulnerable to serious illness than previously thought.

There’s a dearth of scientific studies with concrete answers, leaving public policy makers and corporate executives to formulate plans based on fragmented information.

Interesting choice of paragraphs to quote - from the beginning of the article. I wonder if you read to the end where you would have found:

All that said, some facts are well established at this point. Vaccinated people infected with the virus are much less likely to need to go to the hospital, much less likely to need intubation and much less likely to die from the illness. There’s no doubt that vaccines provide significant protection. But a large proportion of the nation -- almost 30% of U.S. adults -- have not been vaccinated, a fact that has conspired with the highly contagious delta variant to push the country into a new wave of outbreaks.

“The big picture here is that the vaccines are working and the reason for the spike in the U.S. is we have too little vaccine uptake,” Frieden said.

[tvbound]

Interesting choice of paragraphs to quote - from the beginning of the article. I wonder if you read to the end where you would have found:

All that said, some facts are well established at this point. Vaccinated people infected with the virus are much less likely to need to go to the hospital, much less likely to need intubation and much less likely to die from the illness. There’s no doubt that vaccines provide significant protection. But a large proportion of the nation -- almost 30% of U.S. adults -- have not been vaccinated, a fact that has conspired with the highly contagious delta variant to push the country into a new wave of outbreaks.

“The big picture here is that the vaccines are working and the reason for the spike in the U.S. is we have too little vaccine uptake,” Frieden said.

There you go again, confusing conspiracy people with facts. Please stop doing that, as it 'might' (a lot will just ignore the facts) affect the wacko sites bottom line and then they will just be adding to the unemployment rate.

[graciegirl]

sigh.

We really need another subject to be ugly at each other about.

[Bucco]

sigh.

We really need another subject to be ugly at each other about.

The “subject” is the same. Has been for some time.

There are so many that are simply “anti United States Government”, no matter what form that takes.

Might be anti Faucci as we see some on this thread, anti vaccine, etc. Each may show as an individual issue, but they are the same people who you can coun t on to bash the United States when it is uncomfortable, and then hide behind a flag to proclaim how patriotic they are.

Pick any subject that, on this forum, and apparently in “real life”, each side will have the exact same followers.

I happen to trust my government, and while not perfect, i look for them to do their job in an American way, which includes Justice for all , truth to everyone, and a good ear for listening.

[graciegirl]

The “subject” is the same. Has been for some time.

There are so many that are simply “anti United States Government”, no matter what form that takes.

Might be anti Faucci as we see some on this thread, anti vaccine, etc. Each may show as an individual issue, but they are the same people who you can coun t on to bash the United States when it is uncomfortable, and then hide behind a flag to proclaim how patriotic they are.

Pick any subject that, on this forum, and apparently in “real life”, each side will have the exact same followers.

I happen to trust my government, and while not perfect, i look for them to do their job in an American way, which includes Justice for all , truth to everyone, and a good ear for listening.


The subject was boosters.

Nothing at all about gubmunt.

[Velvet]

Drducat, Bloomberg is a respectable source, your citing:

“Though it is evident vaccination still provides powerful protection against the virus, there’s growing concern that vaccinated people may be more vulnerable to serious illness than previously thought.”

But again, instead of looking at what other people say, why don’t you look at the data directly yourself - not anecdotes, aggregate data. And you can also follow the changes as the virus develops (on the internet )and no one needs to tell you what to think.

[drducat]

Drducat, Bloomberg is a respectable source, your citing:

“Though it is evident vaccination still provides powerful protection against the virus, there’s growing concern that vaccinated people may be more vulnerable to serious illness than previously thought.”

But again, instead of looking at what other people say, why don’t you look at the data directly yourself - not anecdotes, aggregate data. And you can also follow the changes as the virus develops (on the internet )and no one needs to tell you what to think.

The concern is the waning of the vaccine is not consistent at all and some folks never achieve any immunity that is robust enough to protect.

Vaccines were and still are the wrong approach. We are not going to ever achieve herd immunity...never.....This will forever evolve just like the common cold and never go away.....Therapeutics are the only answer.......all funding needs to be directed to a cure not a vaccine.

:throwtomatoes: :throwtomatoes:

[Bucco]

The subject was boosters.

Nothing at all about gubmunt.

You do not understand my pointt, and that’s ok. Those who oppose our government also will oppose what they decide and will welcome envy YouTube channel that thy can dispersing anything they want.

[DAVES]

Sadly, people will argue about anything. You do not even need to know anything on the subject to post. The science, no matter what you believe you can find someone who agrees with you. That does not make it correct. Heck everyone knew the earth is flat and that the planets revolve around the earth,

My reading, those who are suggesting a third shot are saying your antibody count will fall in roughly 9 months. Truth, I got the first two shots. I do not know what my antibody count was, let alone what it is now. The shots? I received the Phyzer vaccine was it properly stored? Was the syringe loaded with the proper dose? From what I saw tiny viles, it is difficult to fill the last dose in the bottle.

I am due to a blood test in about two weeks. I had my doctor add an antibody count to my blood work. My thought, their gonna poke me anyway so it makes sense to me.
Depending on MY information i will ask my doctor what to do. Asking here? Whatever is here is OPINION.

[DAVES]

You do not understand my pointt, and that’s ok. Those who oppose our government also will oppose what they decide and will welcome envy YouTube channel that thy can dispersing anything they want.

Not sure how we got here or if it is different than it was in the past. Opinions. No matter what we say or think we will find others SCREAMING why we are wrong and they are right.

I believe in freedom of speech, right to assemble and no state religion hum the first amendment. Too many think it only applies if you agree with me.

Where we are and how we got here.

[golfing eagles]

Sadly, people will argue about anything. You do not even need to know anything on the subject to post. The science, no matter what you believe you can find someone who agrees with you. That does not make it correct. Heck everyone knew the earth is flat and that the planets revolve around the earth,

My reading, those who are suggesting a third shot are saying your antibody count will fall in roughly 9 months. Truth, I got the first two shots. I do not know what my antibody count was, let alone what it is now. The shots? I received the Phyzer vaccine was it properly stored? Was the syringe loaded with the proper dose? From what I saw tiny viles, it is difficult to fill the last dose in the bottle.

I am due to a blood test in about two weeks. I had my doctor add an antibody count to my blood work. My thought, their gonna poke me anyway so it makes sense to me.
Depending on MY information i will ask my doctor what to do. Asking here? Whatever is here is OPINION.

Well, here's my OPINION. The "antibody" test may have some utility in predicting waning of immunity---maybe. But there are multiple antibodies involved, we don't know at this point which ones or combinations confer immunity, and testing for them is not commercially available.

And then there's the issue of " I had my doctor add an antibody count to my blood work. "---who's steering that boat?????

[DAVES]

Having just left my brother in laws rehab here in Boston I can tell you he wishes he could have gotten the shots he has been in mass general hospital since feb , he had no health problems before getting Covid he is in rehab to clear up the open sores that they couldn’t control all those months in intensive care and if had not been in a hospital rated one of best in world he would most likely be dead ,,someone says booster shot I say which arm.

People, posters, same group ie people. We demand perfect answers. Real world, nothing is ever perfect. It was it is a mass program, one size fits all.

As far as interesting things not mentioned. Number of people who got in a car wreck driving to get the shot. I read the other day about a guy who needs a heart transplant.
Apparently taking a covid shot would cause his damaged heart to fail. Rules, they will not give him a transplant unless he takes the shot.

Like most things I am glad I do not need to make the choice for others. We have gotten the two Physer shots. We were lucky to win a lottery or whatever term we choose to spin reality with. Booster? I am going to see my doctor anyway. I had him add an antibody test to my usual tests. Armed, not trying to play on words, I will seek his advice.

Most of what we have is OPINION. Perfect answers in the real world are rare indeed.