Local American Legion Post 347 denies access to VETERAN!

[CommonSense]

I know posting this is not the smartest thing to do, but I felt I had to say something about being denied access to the local American Legion Post 347 because of COVID-19 because I am not a member of their Post.

My wife and I just finished dinner at the Orange Blossom Hills Golf & Country Club and decided to stop at Post 347 for a drink on our way home in the Village of Hawkins.

I handed my membership card from American Legion Post 342 in St. Charles, IL, where I was a past commander and have been a member of this Post for over 40 years.

I was informed that because I was not a member of Post 347, I could not enter. The gatekeeper pointed to a posted sign stating only Post 347 members can enter because of COVID!

COVID has been around for 18 months, and this is their excuse to refuse my wife and me access to an organization I have spent over four decades as an active member.

Prior to today (8/21/21 at 1600 hours), we stopped two weeks ago on a Sunday afternoon only to leave because they were packed with BINGO players. At that time, I did not see anyone wearing a mask during BINGO or anyone wearing a mask this afternoon.

Post 347 blatantly refused access to my wife and I, both members of this national organization, and quite honestly, I am "****ed off"!

The Villages is supposed to be the friendliest community in Florida, but just outside The Villages in Lady Lake is the largest American Legion Post in the United States. They refused to allow me to enter!

OK, so maybe I am a nobody, but I am an Air Force veteran of 35 years, proud to serve my country and honored to be a member of the American Legion for forty-two years. Served in Southeast Asia during the Vietnam War and currently undergoing cancer treatment at the VA for Agent Orange. Very active as a Veterans Advocate and presently working on a YouTube project entitled "Saluting American Veterans."

It was bad enough coming home from SEA and being spit at and rejected, but to deny a veteran who is an American Legion member access to their Post because of COVID is simply WRONG.

We moved here two months ago and recently started searching for opportunities to volunteer. One such organization is the Village Honor Flight, and they asked me to get involved. I intend to, but it seems this organization is tied to the American Legion Post 347, so I am having second thoughts!

Also, before we moved to The Villages, I heard a similar story about a member from another Post being denied entry and that bothered me!

The first time I went to Post 347 in June, I was welcomed and told that story was a misunderstanding.

Well, I hope this is a misunderstanding because today, more than ever, veterans need each other. And please, do not use COVID as an excuse because both my wife and I are vaccinated, and if you wanted us to wear masks, we would.

Please reconsider this stupid policy! Don't shut your doors to those entitled to the privileges of membership with the American Legion. Last I knew…an American Legion member, regardless of what posts they belong to, is entitled to access other posts worldwide.

Guess the rules are different in the friendliest community in Florida!

If I am wrong, I will apologize and retract this post; We were brothers and sisters when we served, so what changed?

Fred J. Rosenthal
MSgt. USAF (Retired)
5524 Brittany Terrace
The Villages, FL 32163
630-926-3109
therosenthalgroup@sbcglobal.net

[Bogie Shooter]

Have you contacted the commander?
Some gatekeepers assume too much authority.

[gatorbill1]

Have you contacted the commander?
Some gatekeepers assume too much authority.

Should not have to contact anyone - also note hipocritical statement about being under covid restrictions when no one wears a mask.

I was a member of this lodge and dropped out due to not being treated very friendly when I stopped by once for a drink.

[CommonSense]

Have you contacted the commander?
Some gatekeepers assume too much authority.

I did not contact the Post Commander, but I am sure within the next 24 hours he/she will have seen my post in either this or another social media outlet. I hate ranting, especially on social media forums, but this really got to me today and I cannot let it go. Our nation is going through some hard times, but so often the veterans step forward and are ready, willing, and able to lend a hand to those in need. We help each other to get through life, so why does this American Legion Post make it extremely difficult to feel welcomed? I do not believe that is the intent of the general membership of this post, but unfortunately, those in charge lack compassion and common sense. So until that changes, I am staying away from Post 347 and encourage other veterans to do the same.

[graciegirl]

Sir.

Thank you for your service. I know nothing about this but I am aware of four people who are in my inner circle who are looking to get tested for Covid today. They all have had both vaccines and are feeling ill after being exposed to someone who did test positive for Covid. They had not been together, each was a separate instance.

Maybe it is a new restriction due to an avalanche of new cases.

Again I thank you. Everyone I know in The Villages has great respect for our military and I hope that you find a reasonable answer.

Please know that you are very welcome in The Villages.

[n8xwb]

Fred -- thanks for your service from another Vet (8 years USAF 1969-1977). Seems to me you are complaining to the wrong audience. "The Villages" has no association that I know of with Post 347. It is simply geographically nearby. Clearly, the folks managing that facility need an attitude adjustment!

[Taltarzac725]

Veterans Memorial Post 347 (https://www.florida-legion.org/)

They have restrictions for who enters on their new website. It is due to COVID 19 and they are not allowing any guests just members of their post and their spouse or continuing companion.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Maybe the whole reason that they don't require masks, is BECAUSE they only allow the local members in. Contract tracing is much easier to do if you are able to identify each person who enters and leave the facility, because they are ALL members of THAT facility.

[Challenger]

I know posting this is not the smartest thing to do, but I felt I had to say something about being denied access to the local American Legion Post 347 because of COVID-19 because I am not a member of their Post.

My wife and I just finished dinner at the Orange Blossom Hills Golf & Country Club and decided to stop at Post 347 for a drink on our way home in the Village of Hawkins.

I handed my membership card from American Legion Post 342 in St. Charles, IL, where I was a past commander and have been a member of this Post for over 40 years.

I was informed that because I was not a member of Post 347, I could not enter. The gatekeeper pointed to a posted sign stating only Post 347 members can enter because of COVID!

COVID has been around for 18 months, and this is their excuse to refuse my wife and me access to an organization I have spent over four decades as an active member.

Prior to today (8/21/21 at 1600 hours), we stopped two weeks ago on a Sunday afternoon only to leave because they were packed with BINGO players. At that time, I did not see anyone wearing a mask during BINGO or anyone wearing a mask this afternoon.

Post 347 blatantly refused access to my wife and I, both members of this national organization, and quite honestly, I am "****ed off"!

The Villages is supposed to be the friendliest community in Florida, but just outside The Villages in Lady Lake is the largest American Legion Post in the United States. They refused to allow me to enter!

OK, so maybe I am a nobody, but I am an Air Force veteran of 35 years, proud to serve my country and honored to be a member of the American Legion for forty-two years. Served in Southeast Asia during the Vietnam War and currently undergoing cancer treatment at the VA for Agent Orange. Very active as a Veterans Advocate and presently working on a YouTube project entitled "Saluting American Veterans."

It was bad enough coming home from SEA and being spit at and rejected, but to deny a veteran who is an American Legion member access to their Post because of COVID is simply WRONG.

We moved here two months ago and recently started searching for opportunities to volunteer. One such organization is the Village Honor Flight, and they asked me to get involved. I intend to, but it seems this organization is tied to the American Legion Post 347, so I am having second thoughts!

Also, before we moved to The Villages, I heard a similar story about a member from another Post being denied entry and that bothered me!

The first time I went to Post 347 in June, I was welcomed and told that story was a misunderstanding.

Well, I hope this is a misunderstanding because today, more than ever, veterans need each other. And please, do not use COVID as an excuse because both my wife and I are vaccinated, and if you wanted us to wear masks, we would.

Please reconsider this stupid policy! Don't shut your doors to those entitled to the privileges of membership with the American Legion. Last I knew…an American Legion member, regardless of what posts they belong to, is entitled to access other posts worldwide.

Guess the rules are different in the friendliest community in Florida!

If I am wrong, I will apologize and retract this post; We were brothers and sisters when we served, so what changed?

Fred J. Rosenthal
MSgt. USAF (Retired)
5524 Brittany Terrace
The Villages, FL 32163
630-926-3109
therosenthalgroup@sbcglobal.net

Blame those who are responsible , ie: The Post Leadership

The Villages nor the "Developer have anything to do with this problem

[Luggage]

Thank you for your service.

[KCrowne]

Sorry this happened. Thank you for your service - you are very much appreciated.

[Ramone]

Last year I also was denied because I was not a post member, but a 30 year Legion and VFW member from Minnesota. I had my wife and to visiting friends and just want to stop for a drink. A members only game was being played and outsiders not allowed. Wow, first time ever denied. Vietnam Vet, Agent Orange Issues, 30 year member, denied. I wrote to everyone and now hear same story. They should close the post or change name away from a Vets organization. "Joe's Locals Only Pub" or something.

[LateBoomer]

so....join this post?

[Girlcopper]

Maybe the whole reason that they don't require masks, is BECAUSE they only allow the local members in. Contract tracing is much easier to do if you are able to identify each person who enters and leave the facility, because they are ALL members of THAT facility.
Exactly. And yes, there are many new rules at plenty of locations due to covid. No use complaining about it. Follow the restrictions for now and be happy when life goes back to normal.

[CommonSense]

Thank you to those who have responded to my recent post. Yes, I understand the American Legion Post 347 is not associated with The Villages, except, the 7,000 members are primarily residents of The Villages. I totally understand the problems and concerns with the Covid variants and this local Post's ability to make rules to protect their members. My point is the attitude in which they present themselves to visiting veterans. As mentioned earlier, I am a past commander of a post in Illinois and have no intention of changing, even though I am a permanent resident in The Villages. As a veteran with 35-years of service in the Air Force, I enjoy the comradery of veterans around the world. I have always been welcomed in Posts I visited, but Post 347 does not provide that feeling. I've cooled down from Saturday's post, but I do not believe I will ever walk into this post again. The gatekeeper was rude and condescending. And if they were really concerned about Covid-19 and its variants, the bartenders would have had masks on and social distancing would be required at the bar and tables, which it wasn't. Having observed a double standard gave me an unwelcomed impression. I am sure a large percentage of their members would concur this policy does not serve in the best interest of the Post. Also debatable is the question: does their protocol actually protects anyone from coming in contact with someone who has Covid-19 or its variants? Regardless, I will play by their rules and more than likely never return to American Legion Post 347!

[Nell57]

These are strange times, indeed. America is seeking the best way to get through a pandemic. Not always graciously.
Are you a full time resident now?
Could you transfer your membership to this post? I am not a member, but I have several friends who have many great evenings there.
If you enjoyed it before, you’d probably love it again.
This is our first pandemic…probably won’t be our last. We are all just trying to get through it safely.

[gbs317]

so....join this post?

Come on, that’s no answer. Here we have a veteran who is still giving his time, energy, and life for this country and his fellow veterans being denied a simple pleasure at that post maybe to just check it out, which shouldn’t matter being he is a member of a different post.
Thank you Mr. Rosenthal for your service.

[beeneyra]

So now you know.

[DaleDivine]

Fred, Thank you for your service...
Are all of the guests that play bingo there members of that Post?
I've seen cars parked everywhere when they have a bingo night.
Just wondering.
:ohdear::ohdear:

[Sandy and Ed]

I disagree with your discouraging veterans to join this post solely because you felt disrespected when you attempted to gain access. I too am a veteran of Vietnam and served over 30 years. Without knowing exactly why the hierarchy of the post decided to limit access I don’t believe it fair to denigrate the organization or the community in this forum. I just moved to The Villages this past September. I am a life member of the VFW and also intend to apply for membership to this American Legion post and hope they will have me as a member

[LateBoomer]

Hey, I'm a vet. I know the Post he's talking about which isn't in the Villages. If I wanted to go there, I would presume I had to join, just like anyone else, whether you were a private/seaman/airman or a 4-star general or Rear Admiral. It's a private club. *shrugs*

just offering a simple solution. that's all. Hopefully he reaches out to the Post Commander.

[Marty94]

Last year I also was denied because I was not a post member, but a 30 year Legion and VFW member from Minnesota. I had my wife and to visiting friends and just want to stop for a drink. A members only game was being played and outsiders not allowed. Wow, first time ever denied. Vietnam Vet, Agent Orange Issues, 30 year member, denied. I wrote to everyone and now hear same story. They should close the post or change name away from a Vets organization. "Joe's Locals Only Pub" or something.

The game you are referring to is called The Queen of Hearts. It’s played on Tuesday nights. Jackpots have exceeded $300k and twice have come down to the last card. When it gets close to the last few cards and the crowd starts exceeding fire capacity, they restrict it to members only as you have to be present to win. On occasion, you have to stand outside because they are at capacity, and that’s just with members. The Queen of Hearts has raised millions of dollars and funds not only the Post but also supports over 25 charities as well as provides college scholarships. I’m sorry you felt slighted. I simply signed up my family members (vets), so they could come as well. I would recommend you do the same so that you can join in on the opportunity to participate.

[Eg_cruz]

I know posting this is not the smartest thing to do, but I felt I had to say something about being denied access to the local American Legion Post 347 because of COVID-19 because I am not a member of their Post.

My wife and I just finished dinner at the Orange Blossom Hills Golf & Country Club and decided to stop at Post 347 for a drink on our way home in the Village of Hawkins.

I handed my membership card from American Legion Post 342 in St. Charles, IL, where I was a past commander and have been a member of this Post for over 40 years.

I was informed that because I was not a member of Post 347, I could not enter. The gatekeeper pointed to a posted sign stating only Post 347 members can enter because of COVID!

COVID has been around for 18 months, and this is their excuse to refuse my wife and me access to an organization I have spent over four decades as an active member.

Prior to today (8/21/21 at 1600 hours), we stopped two weeks ago on a Sunday afternoon only to leave because they were packed with BINGO players. At that time, I did not see anyone wearing a mask during BINGO or anyone wearing a mask this afternoon.

Post 347 blatantly refused access to my wife and I, both members of this national organization, and quite honestly, I am "****ed off"!

The Villages is supposed to be the friendliest community in Florida, but just outside The Villages in Lady Lake is the largest American Legion Post in the United States. They refused to allow me to enter!

OK, so maybe I am a nobody, but I am an Air Force veteran of 35 years, proud to serve my country and honored to be a member of the American Legion for forty-two years. Served in Southeast Asia during the Vietnam War and currently undergoing cancer treatment at the VA for Agent Orange. Very active as a Veterans Advocate and presently working on a YouTube project entitled "Saluting American Veterans."

It was bad enough coming home from SEA and being spit at and rejected, but to deny a veteran who is an American Legion member access to their Post because of COVID is simply WRONG.

We moved here two months ago and recently started searching for opportunities to volunteer. One such organization is the Village Honor Flight, and they asked me to get involved. I intend to, but it seems this organization is tied to the American Legion Post 347, so I am having second thoughts!

Also, before we moved to The Villages, I heard a similar story about a member from another Post being denied entry and that bothered me!

The first time I went to Post 347 in June, I was welcomed and told that story was a misunderstanding.

Well, I hope this is a misunderstanding because today, more than ever, veterans need each other. And please, do not use COVID as an excuse because both my wife and I are vaccinated, and if you wanted us to wear masks, we would.

Please reconsider this stupid policy! Don't shut your doors to those entitled to the privileges of membership with the American Legion. Last I knew…an American Legion member, regardless of what posts they belong to, is entitled to access other posts worldwide.

Guess the rules are different in the friendliest community in Florida!

If I am wrong, I will apologize and retract this post; We were brothers and sisters when we served, so what changed?

Fred J. Rosenthal
MSgt. USAF (Retired)
5524 Brittany Terrace
The Villages, FL 32163
630-926-3109
therosenthalgroup@sbcglobal.net
Sorry that happen sir
Thank you for all your years of service
Bless you and your family

[Mohawksin]

I know posting this is not the smartest thing to do, but I felt I had to say something about being denied access to the local American Legion Post 347 because of COVID-19 because I am not a member of their Post.

My wife and I just finished dinner at the Orange Blossom Hills Golf & Country Club and decided to stop at Post 347 for a drink on our way home in the Village of Hawkins.

I handed my membership card from American Legion Post 342 in St. Charles, IL, where I was a past commander and have been a member of this Post for over 40 years.

I was informed that because I was not a member of Post 347, I could not enter. The gatekeeper pointed to a posted sign stating only Post 347 members can enter because of COVID!

COVID has been around for 18 months, and this is their excuse to refuse my wife and me access to an organization I have spent over four decades as an active member.

Prior to today (8/21/21 at 1600 hours), we stopped two weeks ago on a Sunday afternoon only to leave because they were packed with BINGO players. At that time, I did not see anyone wearing a mask during BINGO or anyone wearing a mask this afternoon.

Post 347 blatantly refused access to my wife and I, both members of this national organization, and quite honestly, I am "****ed off"!

The Villages is supposed to be the friendliest community in Florida, but just outside The Villages in Lady Lake is the largest American Legion Post in the United States. They refused to allow me to enter!

OK, so maybe I am a nobody, but I am an Air Force veteran of 35 years, proud to serve my country and honored to be a member of the American Legion for forty-two years. Served in Southeast Asia during the Vietnam War and currently undergoing cancer treatment at the VA for Agent Orange. Very active as a Veterans Advocate and presently working on a YouTube project entitled "Saluting American Veterans."

It was bad enough coming home from SEA and being spit at and rejected, but to deny a veteran who is an American Legion member access to their Post because of COVID is simply WRONG.

We moved here two months ago and recently started searching for opportunities to volunteer. One such organization is the Village Honor Flight, and they asked me to get involved. I intend to, but it seems this organization is tied to the American Legion Post 347, so I am having second thoughts!

Also, before we moved to The Villages, I heard a similar story about a member from another Post being denied entry and that bothered me!

The first time I went to Post 347 in June, I was welcomed and told that story was a misunderstanding.

Well, I hope this is a misunderstanding because today, more than ever, veterans need each other. And please, do not use COVID as an excuse because both my wife and I are vaccinated, and if you wanted us to wear masks, we would.

Please reconsider this stupid policy! Don't shut your doors to those entitled to the privileges of membership with the American Legion. Last I knew…an American Legion member, regardless of what posts they belong to, is entitled to access other posts worldwide.

Guess the rules are different in the friendliest community in Florida!

If I am wrong, I will apologize and retract this post; We were brothers and sisters when we served, so what changed?

Fred J. Rosenthal
MSgt. USAF (Retired)
5524 Brittany Terrace
The Villages, FL 32163
630-926-3109
therosenthalgroup@sbcglobal.net

Better to take the issue up within the origination since it (they) can do something about it if it really is a national org.

[1948JDG]

Why not become a member of the VFW? I see you were in SEA, so that would qualify you.

[Annie66]

I'm a 26 year veteran. As a matter of transparency, this incident occurred about 3-1/2 years ago. I was part of another service group that was attempting to provide free dental services to needy vets..... vets who were living at or below the poverty line. We had arranged separately the necessary support money through grants and donations as well as a partnering with a local dental clinic which would provide their services for a relatively small cost to our group. The clinic had a mobile dental clinic which could be parked almost anywhere, including the post's parking lot, to bring the services to the vets.

I visited Post 347 and personally met with their services leader. I stressed to him we wanted no money from them. Our group simply needed the post to advertise our services and identify those disadvantaged members who could benefit from our services. I was told he would present our proposal to the post's leadership council the following week. As I was headed home, I received a text message stating our proposal was denied. The denial came in less than 20 minutes.

I was so disappointed and disillusioned that I vowed never to step foot in that post again. We ultimately partnered with a VFW post.

[Dgodin]

Sign up to volunteer at The Villages VA clinic.
You may not be able to work there immediately as they are only authorized limited volunteer staff dur to covid, but it is a great way to help your fellow veterans.

[twoplanekid]

When I arrived in the Villages several years ago, I was welcomed as a Vietnam veteran at Vietnam Veterans of America Chapter 1036 meeting at Lake Miona. As current President of the chapter, I would welcome all veterans who served during the Vietnam conflict to consider joining our chapter. Our lifetime membership dues are now down to a one time payment of $50. As with many other Village organizations while having fun, we also try to help those in need.

VVA Chapter 1036 - Home (https://vva1036.weebly.com/)

[richs631]

With all due respect Covid has changed everything

[ChicagoNative]

Thank you for your service and for the information.

I’m a member of the SAL out of Illinois and had been meaning to check out the Lady Lake post since we moved here permanently. I probably won’t bother now. Even with COVID, there’s no excuse for the way you were treated. (It’s not what you say, but how you say it).

Not that this is a solution, but if you ever find yourself in St. Pete, check out the Madeira Beach post 273. The setting is fantastic; a gulf inlet where you can watch boats, manatees, and dolphins. They treat their members and guests right.

[Fredman]

I don’t blame you for not returning after the way they treated you

[M2inOR]

See the notice from the Commander at their website:
Veterans Memorial Post 347 (https://florida-legion.org/)

It seems to be a temporary restriction, and they plan to make post accessible to all, including guests, when it is safer.

[Queenie504]

Just maybe they kept you from getting a deadly illness. Thank them.

[dewilson58]

Has nothing to do with: "friendliest community in Florida".

Appears to be a temporary policy to help protect their members.

Good thing it was only for: "a drink on our way home".

[edandroe]

Post 219 in Fruitland Park right off 466A is open to everyone and a very friendly Legion. We are members of 347 and have friends visiting so we couldn’t bring them to 347 either even when they are members of their Post back home.

[ogutierrez29@icloud.com]

Thank you for your service. To think a veteran who served our country was denied entry has infuriated me. This is just utterly disrespectful and I am sorry who were subjected to such thoughtless behavior.

[kendi]

Maybe the whole reason that they don't require masks, is BECAUSE they only allow the local members in. Contract tracing is much easier to do if you are able to identify each person who enters and leave the facility, because they are ALL members of THAT facility.

My thoughts as well.

[Rose Ann Vinci Igoe]

veterans memorial post 347 (https://www.florida-legion.org/)

they have restrictions for who enters on their new website. It is due to covid 19 and they are not allowing any guests just members of their post and their spouse or continuing companion.

thank you for a great post... End of story . We are on different times, and all trying our best.

[Phil D]

Look up the ByLaws for the AL I think it states if your a member of one post you are a welcome to use any post.

[CommonSense]

I am not trying to show disrespect for the American Legion. I have been a member of the American Legion and VFW for over 40 years, but I am concerned that a card-carrying member is rudely denied access to this Post. And, some have suggested I joined this Post so I can partake of their post activities. Thanks, but their post leadership does not appeal to me!

[graciegirl]

Thank you to those who have responded to my recent post. Yes, I understand the American Legion Post 347 is not associated with The Villages, except, the 7,000 members are primarily residents of The Villages. I totally understand the problems and concerns with the Covid variants and this local Post's ability to make rules to protect their members. My point is the attitude in which they present themselves to visiting veterans. As mentioned earlier, I am a past commander of a post in Illinois and have no intention of changing, even though I am a permanent resident in The Villages. As a veteran with 35-years of service in the Air Force, I enjoy the comradery of veterans around the world. I have always been welcomed in Posts I visited, but Post 347 does not provide that feeling. I've cooled down from Saturday's post, but I do not believe I will ever walk into this post again. The gatekeeper was rude and condescending. And if they were really concerned about Covid-19 and its variants, the bartenders would have had masks on and social distancing would be required at the bar and tables, which it wasn't. Having observed a double standard gave me an unwelcomed impression. I am sure a large percentage of their members would concur this policy does not serve in the best interest of the Post. Also debatable is the question: does their protocol actually protects anyone from coming in contact with someone who has Covid-19 or its variants? Regardless, I will play by their rules and more than likely never return to American Legion Post 347!

I think I will print this post and send it to the VFW. I have never been there, but I have always been proud to brag it is the largest one in the U.S.

Always ready to tell our hero's who wear ball caps identifying themselves thank you.

I mean it so sincerely.

Remember that. Sir.

[fpmoravcik]

I agree. It's happened to me twice. I am a member BUT not a regular. It's like, "what do you want?"

[Skeety]

Those "POSTS" are nothing but private little control freak groups. My husband was a member of several of them and they did nothing for the community and only helped a few chosen people. My father was Air Force. Asked for help a few times thru the many many years and was told because he didnt come to meetings they wouldn't do anything for him (being sick, numerous strokes didnt count as a valid excuse). Just another bunch of drunks and ********. Don't waste your time. I don't go anywhere them and highly encourage others to not support them.

[Naomi Susan Rozman]

I am moving to the Villages. I will not walk through the doors of this club.

[Snprentice]

My husband was also told that he had to join that post. They did not honor members from other locations. Haven't been
Denied at other posts. This happened a few months ago, haven't been back.

[bilcon]

New rules are clearly posted on the entrance and the web page of the Post, since the upsurge in Covid19. They are just being smart and cautious. You should tell the Commander of the Post about your feelings, not 65,000 people on this site who don't have any affiliation to the American Legion.

[Marty94]

Thank you to those who have responded to my recent post. Yes, I understand the American Legion Post 347 is not associated with The Villages, except, the 7,000 members are primarily residents of The Villages. I totally understand the problems and concerns with the Covid variants and this local Post's ability to make rules to protect their members. My point is the attitude in which they present themselves to visiting veterans. As mentioned earlier, I am a past commander of a post in Illinois and have no intention of changing, even though I am a permanent resident in The Villages. As a veteran with 35-years of service in the Air Force, I enjoy the comradery of veterans around the world. I have always been welcomed in Posts I visited, but Post 347 does not provide that feeling. I've cooled down from Saturday's post, but I do not believe I will ever walk into this post again. The gatekeeper was rude and condescending. And if they were really concerned about Covid-19 and its variants, the bartenders would have had masks on and social distancing would be required at the bar and tables, which it wasn't. Having observed a double standard gave me an unwelcomed impression. I am sure a large percentage of their members would concur this policy does not serve in the best interest of the Post. Also debatable is the question: does their protocol actually protects anyone from coming in contact with someone who has Covid-19 or its variants? Regardless, I will play by their rules and more than likely never return to American Legion Post 347!

I am both a member of the Post and Honor Guard. So, I have a different perspective. First, the Commander posted new rules as
Taltarzac725 pointed out. It wasn’t an easy decision. I know the Commander well. She’s an incredibly dedicated veteran. She is always out speaking to members and getting their input and although you stated most members disagree with her policy, she is not one to enact a policy that members haven’t recommended or support. Legion members are very vocal. If you would like to speak to her just email me privately and I can provide her number or email. I know she will respond. Second, the folks working the door are volunteers. Some are personable and some are old salts, but their job is to enforce the rules, not make them. If you felt a member was rude, please provide the Commander a name. This will help her reassign volunteers to positions that may be more suited to them. Third, Post 347 hosted a vaccination drive last year. The response was overwhelming. Joan could probably give you data on how many members were vaccinated. This may have contributed to the Board’s decision. It’s not an uncommon one apparently as I can’t enter the Post in my husband’s State under similar rules. Thus, I would recommend that you speak to her. She can best explain the Board’s decision to change protocols.

Finally, my perspective on the door greeter as described in your first post: I joined the Post shortly after moving here and then the Honor Guard. As one of the younger members, it took me some time to fit in. Many vets have baggage and you’ll find a variety of personalities at the Post, many who saw combat. So, I try to give some leeway. You simply can’t judge all vets by the actions or personalities of a few. Not everyone has cheery dispositions. That soldier at the door may have seen or participated in combat neither you or I had to endure. For example, a few months ago, we rendered honors to a vet that was a POW. His imprisonment as described by his widow was horrific. These are the volunteers you meet at the Post. Many just want to feel useful and serve in some small way and yes, some are greeters at the door. In Illinois at your Post, perhaps things are different, but here we have many volunteers and you have quite a variety; without them, the Post doesn’t function.

So why come to the Post? As I said in a previous reply, the Post has raised millions of dollars to support multiple charities as well as scholarships. We have a large Auxiliary that does great work in the community and supports the Honor Flight. The Commander personally visits the local prison and serves vets there. Our Honor Guard with over 60 members provides military honors at Bushnell and local churches, sometimes as often as several a day. This is by far the largest contingent I’ve seen while many have only 2-4 members to render honors. It has always been an honor and privilege to participate and I’ve made some amazing friends. They drive me to the airport, cook for me when I am sick and check on me regularly, especially this past week with all that’s going on. They are nothing like the member you encountered.

When the Post fully opens back up, I hope you consider coming back. If you live here, simply join, but if you don’t understand the Post’s new protocols, then talk to the Commander. She’s really a terrific person and will certainly welcome your input and recommendations.

[talonip]

It is not a friendly place..joined about 4 years ago. Never felt welcome. They look at you with suspicion.. when I would go at noon to get tickets I would use my electronic card but as soon as I walk in there is someone there to check your ID again. When you go to get tickets they want to see your ID again. Come on get real.

[fdpaq0580]

I am a proud Navy vet. I am proud of my service in Vietnam and other places around the world. I understand the expressed reason for the rule as stated, but my feeling is that if you are not able to serve all members of the organization, rather than open only for a select few, you should close the doors to all until you are able to fully accept ALL members of the organization with open arms. Anything less smacks as operating a private club in the guise of a service club.

[kkeennyy]

I agree with you 100% I had the same problem when i moved here 2 yrs ago, i also have found the Villages 2 not be the freidlist home town....

[dewilson58]

but my feeling is that if you are not able to serve all members of the organization, rather than open only for a select few, you should close the doors to all until you are able to fully accept ALL members of the organization with open arms. .

If you read the National By-laws, you will see members are members of a post. You are guests at other posts. You can transfer to another post, but you must be accepted into membership.

[RICH1]

Thank you for serving this Great Country ! I am a member of Post 80
St Cloud Florida and also a Charter Rider, I support Post 80 financially because of the small membership numbers of Post 80, and I used to live in St. Cloud.. interested in how vaccinated guests would be an issue!

[Kenswing]

I am both a member of the Post and Honor Guard. So, I have a different perspective. First, the Commander posted new rules as
Taltarzac725 pointed out. It wasn’t an easy decision. I know the Commander well. She’s an incredibly dedicated veteran. She is always out speaking to members and getting their input and although you stated most members disagree with her policy, she is not one to enact a policy that members haven’t recommended or support. Legion members are very vocal. If you would like to speak to her just email me privately and I can provide her number or email. I know she will respond. Second, the folks working the door are volunteers. Some are personable and some are old salts, but their job is to enforce the rules, not make them. If you felt a member was rude, please provide the Commander a name. This will help her reassign volunteers to positions that may be more suited to them. Third, Post 347 hosted a vaccination drive last year. The response was overwhelming. Joan could probably give you data on how many members were vaccinated. This may have contributed to the Board’s decision. It’s not an uncommon one apparently as I can’t enter the Post in my husband’s State under similar rules. Thus, I would recommend that you speak to her. She can best explain the Board’s decision to change protocols.

Finally, my perspective on the door greeter as described in your first post: I joined the Post shortly after moving here and then the Honor Guard. As one of the younger members, it took me some time to fit in. Many vets have baggage and you’ll find a variety of personalities at the Post, many who saw combat. So, I try to give some leeway. You simply can’t judge all vets by the actions or personalities of a few. Not everyone has cheery dispositions. That soldier at the door may have seen or participated in combat neither you or I had to endure. For example, a few months ago, we rendered honors to a vet that was a POW. His imprisonment as described by his widow was horrific. These are the volunteers you meet at the Post. Many just want to feel useful and serve in some small way and yes, some are greeters at the door. In Illinois at your Post, perhaps things are different, but here we have many volunteers and you have quite a variety; without them, the Post doesn’t function.

So why come to the Post? As I said in a previous reply, the Post has raised millions of dollars to support multiple charities as well as scholarships. We have a large Auxiliary that does great work in the community and supports the Honor Flight. The Commander personally visits the local prison and serves vets there. Our Honor Guard with over 60 members provides military honors at Bushnell and local churches, sometimes as often as several a day. This is by far the largest contingent I’ve seen while many have only 2-4 members to render honors. It has always been an honor and privilege to participate and I’ve made some amazing friends. They drive me to the airport, cook for me when I am sick and check on me regularly, especially this past week with all that’s going on. They are nothing like the member you encountered.

When the Post fully opens back up, I hope you consider coming back. If you live here, simply join, but if you don’t understand the Post’s new protocols, then talk to the Commander. She’s really a terrific person and will certainly welcome your input and recommendations.

Thank you for this post. We've all travelled different paths. Not everyone has seen the sane things. Sometimes people are having a bad day. Some are simply not friendly. But if they served they have my respect.

[jimjamuser]

I know posting this is not the smartest thing to do, but I felt I had to say something about being denied access to the local American Legion Post 347 because of COVID-19 because I am not a member of their Post.

My wife and I just finished dinner at the Orange Blossom Hills Golf & Country Club and decided to stop at Post 347 for a drink on our way home in the Village of Hawkins.

I handed my membership card from American Legion Post 342 in St. Charles, IL, where I was a past commander and have been a member of this Post for over 40 years.

I was informed that because I was not a member of Post 347, I could not enter. The gatekeeper pointed to a posted sign stating only Post 347 members can enter because of COVID!

COVID has been around for 18 months, and this is their excuse to refuse my wife and me access to an organization I have spent over four decades as an active member.

Prior to today (8/21/21 at 1600 hours), we stopped two weeks ago on a Sunday afternoon only to leave because they were packed with BINGO players. At that time, I did not see anyone wearing a mask during BINGO or anyone wearing a mask this afternoon.

Post 347 blatantly refused access to my wife and I, both members of this national organization, and quite honestly, I am "****ed off"!

The Villages is supposed to be the friendliest community in Florida, but just outside The Villages in Lady Lake is the largest American Legion Post in the United States. They refused to allow me to enter!

OK, so maybe I am a nobody, but I am an Air Force veteran of 35 years, proud to serve my country and honored to be a member of the American Legion for forty-two years. Served in Southeast Asia during the Vietnam War and currently undergoing cancer treatment at the VA for Agent Orange. Very active as a Veterans Advocate and presently working on a YouTube project entitled "Saluting American Veterans."

It was bad enough coming home from SEA and being spit at and rejected, but to deny a veteran who is an American Legion member access to their Post because of COVID is simply WRONG.

We moved here two months ago and recently started searching for opportunities to volunteer. One such organization is the Village Honor Flight, and they asked me to get involved. I intend to, but it seems this organization is tied to the American Legion Post 347, so I am having second thoughts!

Also, before we moved to The Villages, I heard a similar story about a member from another Post being denied entry and that bothered me!

The first time I went to Post 347 in June, I was welcomed and told that story was a misunderstanding.

Well, I hope this is a misunderstanding because today, more than ever, veterans need each other. And please, do not use COVID as an excuse because both my wife and I are vaccinated, and if you wanted us to wear masks, we would.

Please reconsider this stupid policy! Don't shut your doors to those entitled to the privileges of membership with the American Legion. Last I knew…an American Legion member, regardless of what posts they belong to, is entitled to access other posts worldwide.

Guess the rules are different in the friendliest community in Florida!

If I am wrong, I will apologize and retract this post; We were brothers and sisters when we served, so what changed?

Fred J. Rosenthal
MSgt. USAF (Retired)
5524 Brittany Terrace
The Villages, FL 32163
630-926-3109
therosenthalgroup@sbcglobal.net
I do not drink much and I do not play Bingo. I only went to Post 347 once 8 years ago. We were treated well at that time. I can see your side of the story, but also Post 347's side. I (or most other people) am not qualified to say which side has the stronger argument. What I would like to say is a general statement. We are living through modern history, which is divided into a pre CV and a post CV time period. Post 347 and yourself have merely gotten caught up in the societal entanglements from the US inability to defeat the Virus. I understand that it is hard NOT to take that personally. But, I would take consulation in the extraordinary circumstances that have roiled "normal" everyday life. Hope that you are able to work it out to your satisfaction. You have excellent military and post military credentials. You are a credit to your uniform!

[Taltarzac725]

Think my Dad went a few times to this American Legion Post 347 but did not find it to his taste. He was a medic for the Wolfhounds in the early 1950s stationed in Hawaii and South Korea.

27th Infantry Regiment (United States - Wikipedia) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27th_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States))

[jimjamuser]

Just maybe they kept you from getting a deadly illness. Thank them.
I can see that point.......indoors with masks off, questionable separation, and unknown vaccine status - that adds up to serious danger - like a war zone with invisible virus soldiers all around you and very close.

[jimjamuser]

New rules are clearly posted on the entrance and the web page of the Post, since the upsurge in Covid19. They are just being smart and cautious. You should tell the Commander of the Post about your feelings, not 65,000 people on this site who don't have any affiliation to the American Legion.
This thread has a fairly high degree of reality for the lives of TV Landers. I have seen far weaker thread subjects!

[Marty94]

It is not a friendly place..joined about 4 years ago. Never felt welcome. They look at you with suspicion.. when I would go at noon to get tickets I would use my electronic card but as soon as I walk in there is someone there to check your ID again. When you go to get tickets they want to see your ID again. Come on get real.

There are lots of electronic cards floating around by members that haven’t paid their dues. Thus, at the door they are checking your ID to make sure it’s current. At the ticket window for the Queen of Hearts game, they are checking your personal ID to your card, since your card doesn’t have your photo. As I understand it, the Post has to abide by State regulations for games and this is why new protocols were put in place. I show my ID even when I’m in my Honor Guard uniform. The same rules are applied to all.

Concerning the looks… I get looks going to City Fire. Just pull up to the bar, introduce yourself and make some friends. You’ll find if you come often, the same bunch is there. If you only come on Tuesday to buy your ticket, expect some looks. This isn’t Cheers, they aren’t going to shout out your name when you come through the door, but if you come often enough, folks will get to know you. Also, think about volunteering or joining a golf team. We would love to have you join the Honor Guard. We really look out for each other. On Tuesday nights you’ll often see us sitting together. You’re more than welcome to join us. Just ask at the front desk or email me.

Finally, the Commander is aware of the need to improve orientation for members. She has only been in Command since the end of June. If you have recommendations, please reach out to her. She really is working hard to address these issues.

[daca55]

I am both a member of the Post and Honor Guard. So, I have a different perspective. First, the Commander posted new rules as
Taltarzac725 pointed out. It wasn’t an easy decision. I know the Commander well. She’s an incredibly dedicated veteran. She is always out speaking to members and getting their input and although you stated most members disagree with her policy, she is not one to enact a policy that members haven’t recommended or support. Legion members are very vocal. If you would like to speak to her just email me privately and I can provide her number or email. I know she will respond. Second, the folks working the door are volunteers. Some are personable and some are old salts, but their job is to enforce the rules, not make them. If you felt a member was rude, please provide the Commander a name. This will help her reassign volunteers to positions that may be more suited to them. Third, Post 347 hosted a vaccination drive last year. The response was overwhelming. Joan could probably give you data on how many members were vaccinated. This may have contributed to the Board’s decision. It’s not an uncommon one apparently as I can’t enter the Post in my husband’s State under similar rules. Thus, I would recommend that you speak to her. She can best explain the Board’s decision to change protocols.

Finally, my perspective on the door greeter as described in your first post: I joined the Post shortly after moving here and then the Honor Guard. As one of the younger members, it took me some time to fit in. Many vets have baggage and you’ll find a variety of personalities at the Post, many who saw combat. So, I try to give some leeway. You simply can’t judge all vets by the actions or personalities of a few. Not everyone has cheery dispositions. That soldier at the door may have seen or participated in combat neither you or I had to endure. For example, a few months ago, we rendered honors to a vet that was a POW. His imprisonment as described by his widow was horrific. These are the volunteers you meet at the Post. Many just want to feel useful and serve in some small way and yes, some are greeters at the door. In Illinois at your Post, perhaps things are different, but here we have many volunteers and you have quite a variety; without them, the Post doesn’t function.

So why come to the Post? As I said in a previous reply, the Post has raised millions of dollars to support multiple charities as well as scholarships. We have a large Auxiliary that does great work in the community and supports the Honor Flight. The Commander personally visits the local prison and serves vets there. Our Honor Guard with over 60 members provides military honors at Bushnell and local churches, sometimes as often as several a day. This is by far the largest contingent I’ve seen while many have only 2-4 members to render honors. It has always been an honor and privilege to participate and I’ve made some amazing friends. They drive me to the airport, cook for me when I am sick and check on me regularly, especially this past week with all that’s going on. They are nothing like the member you encountered.

When the Post fully opens back up, I hope you consider coming back. If you live here, simply join, but if you don’t understand the Post’s new protocols, then talk to the Commander. She’s really a terrific person and will certainly welcome your input and recommendations.

Well said! The details you provided spell out the story behind the story. I am a member who transferred from my home state post. I did it because of how this post is managed and the involvement of the members. The number of people that volunteer is unlike any other club I have been a member of. This includes the greeters at the door. They are just telling you what the rules are. Hopefully you will speak with the Commander and resolve your issue as previously suggested here.

[bluzzman21]

I too was denied access to have a drink after going there to meeting last week. I am not a member because I feel if you have a military retired ID, and not the DD214, that should be good enough for membership. I spent almost twenty five years in the service, and not reserves or National Guard, but regular Active Duty. I called the state, and national departments and said I should join and bring this up, but my stance on this is what I worked for in the service, not just guys who spent a couple of years in and treat a retiree this way. Also I found out even if your not military but you dad was you can join and get all the benifits, and a retiree gets none, because he has a military ID. And on the other note, yes the bar manager, was very rude and loud, and very disrespectful, so on that note, why would I want to join that post.

[jimjamuser]

I am a proud Navy vet. I am proud of my service in Vietnam and other places around the world. I understand the expressed reason for the rule as stated, but my feeling is that if you are not able to serve all members of the organization, rather than open only for a select few, you should close the doors to all until you are able to fully accept ALL members of the organization with open arms. Anything less smacks as operating a private club in the guise of a service club.
CV cannot be just ignored. I would suggest outdoor dining with box dinners. Maybe with a tent roof or a building with all open sides for meals, bingo, and other activities. Indoor activities should be for those fully vaccinated and willing to wear a mask. I realize that the separation of groups is the opposite of the main idea of togetherness that veterans deserve - and it would be difficult and harsh, but we are living in difficult and harsh times. Several prominent medical Doctors believe that we will ALL have to live with this pandemic for up to 5 years. So, the Legion Post 347 and ALL indoor businesses in the US must make harsh and unpopular decisions. Who am I to blame them?

[tommitchell99@yahoo.com]

USMC vet. Thanks for your service. Consider checking out Band of Brothers in The Villages. We meet Tuesday’s at lunch, City Fire in Sumter. No politics and plenty of military brotherhood.

[jimjamuser]

Thank you for serving this Great Country ! I am a member of Post 80
St Cloud Florida and also a Charter Rider, I support Post 80 financially because of the small membership numbers of Post 80, and I used to live in St. Cloud.. interested in how vaccinated guests would be an issue!
I can answer the last part of that question. The NEW Delta variant is different than the earlier variants. Delta can remain for some (yet to be exactly researched) period of time in a vaccinated person's nasal cavity. During that time a vaccinated person can infect an unvaccinated person (especially indoors) and that unvaccinated person could become hospitalized and DIE. Imagine what a simple sneeze could do indoors. This information is on the CDC website and has been explained in detail by many expert Doctors on many news programs.

[Quent]

Agreed

[mad329]

My husband is a member of AL #347. We went there on Monday August 9th. We had to friends with us. Apparently we didn’t read the notice on the door (or the paper) so we went in. We were told about the notice. They were all VERY polite. We understood the situation and respected it. We simply went elsewhere - it was no big deal. We have never met a condescending or rude individual on any occasion. Since then our friend was sworn in and we plan on returning tonight.

[Number 10 GI]

Just because a person has seen some horrific things doesn't give them the right to be a rude jerk. I would bet a few dollars that this person is well known in the club as being a rude jerk but no one has the guts to speak up about it to prohibit him from performing these duties. I'm quite sure the commander of this club is aware of this person's attitude. One thing a leader has to accept is they have to make hard decisions and do what is best for the organization. You aren't a leader if you can't do that.
First impressions are the ones that stick in a person's mind about an individual or an organization. This jerk has caused a number of people to decide not to join. This is how clubs die out after a while. Just how hard would it be to politely and in a friendly manner explain the new policy and to thank the person for their interest in the club. Trouble is that jerks have no idea about being friendly and treat other people with courtesy.
I quit belonging to social clubs many years ago for the same attitude of club members displayed by the jerk in the Legion Club. Pretty disgusting when a new member is told that they have to wait patiently for acceptance by the regulars. The current membership are the ones that should welcome a new member and not wait for the newbee to beg for acceptance.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

OP, under High Year of Tenure requirements, how does an E7 serve for 35 years?

[CommonSense]

Earlier today I received a call from Joan Suelter, Post Commander of the American Legion Post 347. We had a very friendly conversation and she was gracious enough to explain the Post's recent decision to open the building only for Post members and their spouses. Though I do not necessarily agree with their policy, I understand and accept their decision. I explained to her that I did not feel my comments were directed to Post 347 as a whole but were actually a reference to how unwelcomed I was by the gatekeeper. I was born and raised in the hospitality industry and my parents owned a family restaurant in Iowa. My father once told me that he welcomed complaints because it was an opportunity to correct a problem. It was a lesson I carried through my entire life and whether you agree or disagree with my observation or complaint, there is a communication problem within this Post. Reading the threads of this discussion, I am not the only person who has experienced rude gatekeepers or employees. Now that the problem has been exposed, maybe it is time to fix it! Of course, I understand we all have bad days, but there is a trail of bad days that seems to contribute to a growing communication problem. I believe the Commander understands the situation and I can only hope for the Post, its members, and all veterans, she takes advantage of this negative publicity as an opportunity to find ways to improve communications and provide a more welcoming attitude for visiting American Legion Members.

[wbilbrey99@gmail.com]

I know posting this is not the smartest thing to do, but I felt I had to say something about being denied access to the local American Legion Post 347 because of COVID-19 because I am not a member of their Post.

My wife and I just finished dinner at the Orange Blossom Hills Golf & Country Club and decided to stop at Post 347 for a drink on our way home in the Village of Hawkins.

I handed my membership card from American Legion Post 342 in St. Charles, IL, where I was a past commander and have been a member of this Post for over 40 years.

I was informed that because I was not a member of Post 347, I could not enter. The gatekeeper pointed to a posted sign stating only Post 347 members can enter because of COVID!

COVID has been around for 18 months, and this is their excuse to refuse my wife and me access to an organization I have spent over four decades as an active member.

Prior to today (8/21/21 at 1600 hours), we stopped two weeks ago on a Sunday afternoon only to leave because they were packed with BINGO players. At that time, I did not see anyone wearing a mask during BINGO or anyone wearing a mask this afternoon.

Post 347 blatantly refused access to my wife and I, both members of this national organization, and quite honestly, I am "****ed off"!

The Villages is supposed to be the friendliest community in Florida, but just outside The Villages in Lady Lake is the largest American Legion Post in the United States. They refused to allow me to enter!

OK, so maybe I am a nobody, but I am an Air Force veteran of 35 years, proud to serve my country and honored to be a member of the American Legion for forty-two years. Served in Southeast Asia during the Vietnam War and currently undergoing cancer treatment at the VA for Agent Orange. Very active as a Veterans Advocate and presently working on a YouTube project entitled "Saluting American Veterans."

It was bad enough coming home from SEA and being spit at and rejected, but to deny a veteran who is an American Legion member access to their Post because of COVID is simply WRONG.

We moved here two months ago and recently started searching for opportunities to volunteer. One such organization is the Village Honor Flight, and they asked me to get involved. I intend to, but it seems this organization is tied to the American Legion Post 347, so I am having second thoughts!

Also, before we moved to The Villages, I heard a similar story about a member from another Post being denied entry and that bothered me!

The first time I went to Post 347 in June, I was welcomed and told that story was a misunderstanding.

Well, I hope this is a misunderstanding because today, more than ever, veterans need each other. And please, do not use COVID as an excuse because both my wife and I are vaccinated, and if you wanted us to wear masks, we would.

Please reconsider this stupid policy! Don't shut your doors to those entitled to the privileges of membership with the American Legion. Last I knew…an American Legion member, regardless of what posts they belong to, is entitled to access other posts worldwide.

Guess the rules are different in the friendliest community in Florida!

If I am wrong, I will apologize and retract this post; We were brothers and sisters when we served, so what changed?

Fred J. Rosenthal
MSgt. USAF (Retired)
5524 Brittany Terrace
The Villages, FL 32163
630-926-3109
therosenthalgroup@sbcglobal.net

Ok that answers my question.moved here a year ago was going to transfer to 347 maybe try the one on 44 instead.

[dewilson58]

I explained to her that I did not feel my comments were directed to Post 347 as a whole but were actually a reference to how unwelcomed I was by the gatekeeper.

Now that you have been educated about not being entitled to access every Post, Hopefully you have had an attitude adjustment towards The Villages as well. :clap2:

[CommonSense]

OP, under High Year of Tenure requirements, how does an E7 serve for 35 years?

However, the High Year of Tenure was not fully implemented until after I retired. But for the record, because I have nothing to hide, I served three years, nine months, and twenty-one days on active duty. I received an honorable discharge (and a DD-214) after fighting a war in Southeast Asia. I returned to college and after graduation, I joined the Air Force Reserves where I had an opportunity to travel around the world for most of the other 32 years. I hope this clarifies any misconceptions you might have about my service record.

[CommonSense]

Now that you have been educated about not being entitled to access every Post, Hopefully, you have had an attitude adjustment towards The Villages as well. :clap2:

Could you do me a favor and point out where I said or wrote the word (entitled).

When you are in someone else's house you have access as a guest, but you are not entitled to roam through their closets.

If I did use the word "entitled", maybe you misunderstand what I was trying to explain!

Yes, every Amerian Legion member is a guest outside of the own Post. However, that being said, if you are a member in good standing with the American Legion and visiting another Post, you are entitled to the respect courted the local members.

That is call courtesy and incorporates common sense.

[dewilson58]

Could you do me a favor and point out where I said or wrote the word (entitled). [/U]..

Your statement: Please reconsider this stupid policy! Don't shut your doors to those entitled to the privileges of membership with the American Legion.

:ho:

[Bogie Shooter]

Your statement: Please reconsider this stupid policy! Don't shut your doors to those entitled to the privileges of membership with the American Legion.

:ho:
:boom:

[retiredguy123]

You can complain about rudeness. You can disagree with a policy. But the title of this thread is not about either. It is about "denying access". It sounds like the gatekeeper did their job by denying access to the OP. One thing I like about the military is that, unlike many others, they are usually very good at following and enforcing their own rules. Suppose the gatekeeper had allowed access to a non-member who spread the COVID virus inside the Post? That would defeat the purpose of the policy established by the Post, and the gatekeeper's function.

[golfing eagles]

You can complain about rudeness. You can disagree with a policy. But the title of this thread is not about either. It is about "denying access". It sounds like the gatekeeper did their job by denying access to the OP. One thing I like about the military is that, unlike many others, they are usually very good at following and enforcing their own rules. Suppose the gatekeeper had allowed access to a non-member who spread the COVID virus inside the Post? That would defeat the purpose of the policy established by the Post, and the gatekeeper's function.

I think the issue was less what he did, and more how he did it. (the gatekeeper)

[024engine]

I am a member of 347. I don't agree with the policy there, but it is their decision. Live with it or go back up north.

[Shutterbug]

I know posting this is not the smartest thing to do, but I felt I had to say something about being denied access to the local American Legion Post 347 because of COVID-19 because I am not a member of their Post.

My wife and I just finished dinner at the Orange Blossom Hills Golf & Country Club and decided to stop at Post 347 for a drink on our way home in the Village of Hawkins.

I handed my membership card from American Legion Post 342 in St. Charles, IL, where I was a past commander and have been a member of this Post for over 40 years.

I was informed that because I was not a member of Post 347, I could not enter. The gatekeeper pointed to a posted sign stating only Post 347 members can enter because of COVID!

COVID has been around for 18 months, and this is their excuse to refuse my wife and me access to an organization I have spent over four decades as an active member.

Prior to today (8/21/21 at 1600 hours), we stopped two weeks ago on a Sunday afternoon only to leave because they were packed with BINGO players. At that time, I did not see anyone wearing a mask during BINGO or anyone wearing a mask this afternoon.

Post 347 blatantly refused access to my wife and I, both members of this national organization, and quite honestly, I am "****ed off"!

The Villages is supposed to be the friendliest community in Florida, but just outside The Villages in Lady Lake is the largest American Legion Post in the United States. They refused to allow me to enter!

OK, so maybe I am a nobody, but I am an Air Force veteran of 35 years, proud to serve my country and honored to be a member of the American Legion for forty-two years. Served in Southeast Asia during the Vietnam War and currently undergoing cancer treatment at the VA for Agent Orange. Very active as a Veterans Advocate and presently working on a YouTube project entitled "Saluting American Veterans."

It was bad enough coming home from SEA and being spit at and rejected, but to deny a veteran who is an American Legion member access to their Post because of COVID is simply WRONG.

We moved here two months ago and recently started searching for opportunities to volunteer. One such organization is the Village Honor Flight, and they asked me to get involved. I intend to, but it seems this organization is tied to the American Legion Post 347, so I am having second thoughts!

Also, before we moved to The Villages, I heard a similar story about a member from another Post being denied entry and that bothered me!

The first time I went to Post 347 in June, I was welcomed and told that story was a misunderstanding.

Well, I hope this is a misunderstanding because today, more than ever, veterans need each other. And please, do not use COVID as an excuse because both my wife and I are vaccinated, and if you wanted us to wear masks, we would.

Please reconsider this stupid policy! Don't shut your doors to those entitled to the privileges of membership with the American Legion. Last I knew…an American Legion member, regardless of what posts they belong to, is entitled to access other posts worldwide.

Guess the rules are different in the friendliest community in Florida!

If I am wrong, I will apologize and retract this post; We were brothers and sisters when we served, so what changed?

Fred J. Rosenthal
MSgt. USAF (Retired)
5524 Brittany Terrace
The Villages, FL 32163
630-926-3109
therosenthalgroup@sbcglobal.net

Fred: sorry for you experience. Please volunteer with Villages Honor Flight. We need men like you.

[Dgodin]

Try post 18 in Wildwood

[CommonSense]

Why not become a member of the VFW? I see you were in SEA, so that would qualify you. I am a member of the VFW!

[Aces4]

You can complain about rudeness. You can disagree with a policy. But the title of this thread is not about either. It is about "denying access". It sounds like the gatekeeper did their job by denying access to the OP. One thing I like about the military is that, unlike many others, they are usually very good at following and enforcing their own rules. Suppose the gatekeeper had allowed access to a non-member who spread the COVID virus inside the Post? That would defeat the purpose of the policy established by the Post, and the gatekeeper's function.

The whole policy is rather silly, one day you can’t enter because you will spread covid, join and pay your dues and the next day there are no more covid fears. You are determined to be safe, enter.

[CommonSense]

I am a member of 347. I don't agree with the policy there, but it is their decision. Live with it or go back up north. Your last sentence was uncalled for! Go back north! I have a right, just like you, to live where I want. Don't give me this crap about going back north! I am an American veteran and I can live where I want, including next door to you! This is what is wrong with this country, too many me, myself, and I idiots! If a person cannot express their views and opinions, what kind of a nation do we have?

[CommonSense]

I cannot believe how uncivilized this discussion has gotten. I admit, it is hard for me to let things go, but some of you are down-right nasty and hateful! Life is too short to get all worked up about being denied access to an American Legion Post. If you missed my point, so be it! Let's just "chill-out" and be thankful most of us live in The Villages and not having to worry about getting out of Kobal.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

I’m always suspect of anyone’s full story when they bring up being spit
on , passed through a lot of airports while doing multiple tours with the 101st Airborne and Vietnamese Airborne units and many more years as a civilian all told almost 11 years in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia never once did I encounter or know anyone I know see someone being spit on, there was a book out many years ago about some of the these anecdotal stories about the war being false , did it happen maybe so ,did it happen to so many most likely not , I don’t go to service clubs I do belong to the National organizations because they do good work , but I hear enough bull just being with in ear shot of lots of Patriots here in villages and to be honest many other places but it seems to me if you were military for so long you know rules are rules

[tvbound]

I cannot believe how uncivilized this discussion has gotten. I admit, it is hard for me to let things go, but some of you are down-right nasty and hateful! Life is too short to get all worked up about being denied access to an American Legion Post. If you missed my point, so be it! Let's just "chill-out" and be thankful most of us live in The Villages and not having to worry about getting out of Kobal.

In reading this thread, it is apparent to me that there are a number of posters making comments who could have easily been the gatekeeper. Please ignore the rude ones and here's hoping you, like us when we get there for good, will only associate with nice and decent people.

[yankygrl]

I know posting this is not the smartest thing to do, but I felt I had to say something about being denied access to the local American Legion Post 347 because of COVID-19 because I am not a member of their Post.

My wife and I just finished dinner at the Orange Blossom Hills Golf & Country Club and decided to stop at Post 347 for a drink on our way home in the Village of Hawkins.

I handed my membership card from American Legion Post 342 in St. Charles, IL, where I was a past commander and have been a member of this Post for over 40 years.

I was informed that because I was not a member of Post 347, I could not enter. The gatekeeper pointed to a posted sign stating only Post 347 members can enter because of COVID!

COVID has been around for 18 months, and this is their excuse to refuse my wife and me access to an organization I have spent over four decades as an active member.

Prior to today (8/21/21 at 1600 hours), we stopped two weeks ago on a Sunday afternoon only to leave because they were packed with BINGO players. At that time, I did not see anyone wearing a mask during BINGO or anyone wearing a mask this afternoon.

Post 347 blatantly refused access to my wife and I, both members of this national organization, and quite honestly, I am "****ed off"!

The Villages is supposed to be the friendliest community in Florida, but just outside The Villages in Lady Lake is the largest American Legion Post in the United States. They refused to allow me to enter!

OK, so maybe I am a nobody, but I am an Air Force veteran of 35 years, proud to serve my country and honored to be a member of the American Legion for forty-two years. Served in Southeast Asia during the Vietnam War and currently undergoing cancer treatment at the VA for Agent Orange. Very active as a Veterans Advocate and presently working on a YouTube project entitled "Saluting American Veterans."

It was bad enough coming home from SEA and being spit at and rejected, but to deny a veteran who is an American Legion member access to their Post because of COVID is simply WRONG.

We moved here two months ago and recently started searching for opportunities to volunteer. One such organization is the Village Honor Flight, and they asked me to get involved. I intend to, but it seems this organization is tied to the American Legion Post 347, so I am having second thoughts!

Also, before we moved to The Villages, I heard a similar story about a member from another Post being denied entry and that bothered me!

The first time I went to Post 347 in June, I was welcomed and told that story was a misunderstanding.

Well, I hope this is a misunderstanding because today, more than ever, veterans need each other. And please, do not use COVID as an excuse because both my wife and I are vaccinated, and if you wanted us to wear masks, we would.

Please reconsider this stupid policy! Don't shut your doors to those entitled to the privileges of membership with the American Legion. Last I knew…an American Legion member, regardless of what posts they belong to, is entitled to access other posts worldwide.

Guess the rules are different in the friendliest community in Florida!

If I am wrong, I will apologize and retract this post; We were brothers and sisters when we served, so what changed?

Fred J. Rosenthal
MSgt. USAF (Retired)
5524 Brittany Terrace
The Villages, FL 32163
630-926-3109
therosenthalgroup@sbcglobal.net
Unfortunately at this time 347 is closed to all but those who are members of the post. The executive staff made that determination to keep our members safe. Masks are only required for those unvaccinated members and that is on the honor system. I feel your pain but the answer to that is transfer your membership, a simple process as I’m sure you are aware, and be able to enjoy all we have to offer.

[Aces4]

Unfortunately at this time 347 is closed to all but those who are members of the post. The executive staff made that determination to keep our members safe. Masks are only required for those unvaccinated members and that is on the honor system. I feel your pain but the answer to that is transfer your membership, a simple process as I’m sure you are aware, and be able to enjoy all we have to offer.


Question is, only nonmembers can carry covid? Where is the safety in this arrangement?

[CommonSense]

Your statement: Please reconsider this stupid policy! Don't shut your doors to those entitled to the privileges of membership with the American Legion.

:ho:

Mr. Helpful...I think you missed my point, but that is ok! Everyone is entitled to make a mistake in their life. The problem arises when a person is so closed-minded that they fail to understand the message. To be clear, any American Legion member in good-standings who visits a different Post is entitled to be treated with respect, including the opportunity to participate in activities and privileges afforded other members of the Post. This means, as a guest, they are veterans granted the same privileges and benefits that all American Legion members receive as a member in good standings. There is no need to play semantic games, but time to respect those who are members of the American Legion...In other words, be thankful to a veteran you can still express your opinion!

[Moderator]

OP has communicated with the Post Commander. There's no point in keeping this going. Thread Closed.

Moderator.