Why aren't we mad at China?

[lkagele]

Really? I saw this article this evening.

Pfizer CEO predicts a vaccine-resistant COVID-19 variant | Just The News (https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/pfizer-ceo-predicts-there-will-likely-be-vaccine-resistant-covid-19)

We are going to be dealing with this nasty bug for the rest of our lives. Right now it seems that our kids, grandkids and great grandkids will be as well.

Why aren't we mad at China? Does anyone really believe COVID didn't originate from China? Does anyone really believe China isn't covering up? They still haven't found the animal host so does anyone really believe COVID isn't man made?

This COVID thing is tearing our nation apart. Meanwhile, China continues to profit economically from this world wide pandemic. Why are we putting up with this? Let's start with boycotting the Beijing Olympics. Let's demand remunerations for the families that have lost loved ones and for all that have suffered due to China's negligence.

[Kelevision]

Really? I saw this article this evening.

Pfizer CEO predicts a vaccine-resistant COVID-19 variant | Just The News (https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/pfizer-ceo-predicts-there-will-likely-be-vaccine-resistant-covid-19)

We are going to be dealing with this nasty bug for the rest of our lives. Right now it seems that our kids, grandkids and great grandkids will be as well.

Why aren't we mad at China? Does anyone really believe COVID didn't originate from China? Does anyone really believe China isn't covering up? They still haven't found the animal host so does anyone really believe COVID isn't man made?

This COVID thing is tearing our nation apart. Meanwhile, China continues to profit economically from this world wide pandemic. Why are we putting up with this? Let's start with boycotting the Beijing Olympics. Let's demand remunerations for the families that have lost loved ones and for all that have suffered due to China's negligence.


For many centuries, smallpox devastated mankind. In modern times we do not have to worry about it thanks to the remarkable work of Edward Jenner and later developments from his endeavors. With the rapid pace of vaccine development in recent decades, the historic origins of immunization are often forgotten.

[Get real]

Why are we putting up with this? Let's start with boycotting the Beijing Olympics. Let's demand remunerations for the families that have lost loved ones and for all that have suffered due to China's negligence.

Really? The swamp and big pharma make millions off of us peons. The corrupt royalty in this country only care about enriching themselves. That's why.

[Bill14564]

In time we will find out who lit the match and we'll rightly criticize those who initially claimed the smoke was just dust.

Today, the focus needs to be on those who continue to throw fuel on the fire.

[Bay Kid]

We know it started the virus in China, at a lab, but China owns us. So they won't investigate themselves.

[PugMom]

it may have been located in China, but many countries were involved in the development of this. if you can manage to read fauci's emails, you'll see he lied about the US funding this 'research,'

[Decadeofdave]

Answer to question: PC

[John41]

Really? I saw this article this evening.

Pfizer CEO predicts a vaccine-resistant COVID-19 variant | Just The News (https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/pfizer-ceo-predicts-there-will-likely-be-vaccine-resistant-covid-19)

We are going to be dealing with this nasty bug for the rest of our lives. Right now it seems that our kids, grandkids and great grandkids will be as well.

Why aren't we mad at China? Does anyone really believe COVID didn't originate from China? Does anyone really believe China isn't covering up? They still haven't found the animal host so does anyone really believe COVID isn't man made?

This COVID thing is tearing our nation apart. Meanwhile, China continues to profit economically from this world wide pandemic. Why are we putting up with this? Let's start with boycotting the Beijing Olympics. Let's demand remunerations for the families that have lost loved ones and for all that have suffered due to China's negligence.

Let’s remember the Great Influenza of 1918 that killed about 50 million people worldwide started in the Midwest. It spread quickly to other countries due to poor decisions by the military in WWI, misinformation by the press, political corruption and President Wilson’s poor judgement. That being said a full investigation of Covid 19 origins is warranted.

[graciegirl]

Really? I saw this article this evening.

Pfizer CEO predicts a vaccine-resistant COVID-19 variant | Just The News (https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/pfizer-ceo-predicts-there-will-likely-be-vaccine-resistant-covid-19)

We are going to be dealing with this nasty bug for the rest of our lives. Right now it seems that our kids, grandkids and great grandkids will be as well.

Why aren't we mad at China? Does anyone really believe COVID didn't originate from China? Does anyone really believe China isn't covering up? They still haven't found the animal host so does anyone really believe COVID isn't man made?

This COVID thing is tearing our nation apart. Meanwhile, China continues to profit economically from this world wide pandemic. Why are we putting up with this? Let's start with boycotting the Beijing Olympics. Let's demand remunerations for the families that have lost loved ones and for all that have suffered due to China's negligence.

Dude. Do you think the same about the Hong Kong Flu, the Asian Flu, the Spanish Flu???

I don't know if they were making germ warfare over there, but I don't think anyone did this on purpose. It would kill their own people. THINK.

I just read that a report is due out on this subject TODAY. I doubt anyone will believe it. No one believes anything from hardly anybody ANYMORE.

I stand and wait. I think some scientist will figure it out. I am an R and I like Fauci, even with that accent....that kinda grates on me.

[davem4616]

I was gonna try out for the Beijing Olympics, but after reading the OP I'm going to pass

plus it's been difficult getting ice time to practice curling....so maybe it's a good thing

[Byte1]

Maybe our gov does not push hard on the origin of the virus because the answer to that question might be TOO CLOSE TO HOME. It would not surprise me to find out that it originally was produced at Ft.Detrick, MD like the weaponized Anthrax. Just a thought, with absolutely no evidence to support it. However, when you have our folks funding research on the virus in China, it makes one wonder.
We will never know the origin of the current Covid virus. That is probably one of the very few secrets that won't be leaked.

[Byte1]

Dude. Do you think the same about the Hong Kong Flu, the Asian Flu, the Spanish Flu???

I don't know if they were making germ warfare over there, but I don't think anyone did this on purpose. It would kill their own people. THINK.

I just read that a report is due out on this subject TODAY. I doubt anyone will believe it. No one believes anything from hardly anybody ANYMORE.

I stand and wait. I think some scientist will figure it out. I am an R and I like Fauci, even with that accent....that kinda grates on me.

Come on, do you REALLY think they care about their over populated masses in China? They have never worried about killing their own people in the past.

[Arctic Fox]

"A conspiracy theory without a grassy knoll is like a croissant without butter."

Plato, I believe, although it may have been Jerry Seinfeld.

[Taltarzac725]

"A conspiracy theory without a grassy knoll is like a croissant without butter."

Plato, I believe, although it may have been Jerry Seinfeld.

Will the World Ever Solve the Mystery of COVID-19’s Origin? | Council on Foreign Relations (https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/will-world-ever-solve-mystery-covid-19s-origin?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIquTDrcXM8gIVO9SzCh3fXwBZE AAYASAAEgKkHPD_BwE)

Funny quote.

[DAVES]

Really? I saw this article this evening.

Pfizer CEO predicts a vaccine-resistant COVID-19 variant | Just The News (https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/pfizer-ceo-predicts-there-will-likely-be-vaccine-resistant-covid-19)

We are going to be dealing with this nasty bug for the rest of our lives. Right now it seems that our kids, grandkids and great grandkids will be as well.

Why aren't we mad at China? Does anyone really believe COVID didn't originate from China? Does anyone really believe China isn't covering up? They still haven't found the animal host so does anyone really believe COVID isn't man made?

This COVID thing is tearing our nation apart. Meanwhile, China continues to profit economically from this world wide pandemic. Why are we putting up with this? Let's start with boycotting the Beijing Olympics. Let's demand remunerations for the families that have lost loved ones and for all that have suffered due to China's negligence.

"Why aren't we mad at China?" "Why are we putting up with this?" The most complex issues are truly simple. Are you prepared to go to war with China? Is the US prepared to defend Taiwan? We hear about China stealing American technology. Due to pollution controls and high labor costs we use China and other countries to do our manufacturing. It is true our pollution is down. Reality, China is doing manufacturing that used to be done in the US. Their pollution is up. We have the same planet. We have the same atmosphere.

Stealing technology? It is truly easy. They are doing xxxxx how do they do it? Far easier than manufacturing something. Having the machines to do it. The tools to do it.
The trained labor to do it.

Vaccines? We took the Physer vaccine, we took what we could get. I'm not sure what it means. Business articles I've read say that Moderna is American owned, Physer is owned by the US, Germany AND CHINA. As we do not directly pay for it no one asks but the Moderna vaccine is about a buck less.

Our free press. For us to get TRUE information from China we need spies. For China to get information from the United States, they just need to pay subscriptions to our publications and a few folks reading the internet.

It is true we live in interesting times. What we forget or are blind to there have always been and always will be problems. History, the pioneers to this country killed more Indians with diseases brought from Europe than with bullets. They did not know about germs but they knew if they use the blanket from a sick person and gave it to someone else they would get sick. The pioneers deliberately gave infected blankets to the Indians.

I am pro America but...........................

[DAVES]

Dude. Do you think the same about the Hong Kong Flu, the Asian Flu, the Spanish Flu???

I don't know if they were making germ warfare over there, but I don't think anyone did this on purpose. It would kill their own people. THINK.

I just read that a report is due out on this subject TODAY. I doubt anyone will believe it. No one believes anything from hardly anybody ANYMORE.

I stand and wait. I think some scientist will figure it out. I am an R and I like Fauci, even with that accent....that kinda grates on me.

I find history interesting. All history is taught with a bias. WWII all Americans know we dropped the atomic bomb on Japan. How many Americans are aware Japan had a huge germ warfare program and they used it on China and on POWs. Or that Japan before the US entered the war conquered Nan King in China and killed more civilians than died due to BOTH atomic bombs.

As far as people and not believing. That too has existed throughout history. I recently read a book about the Wright brothers. Reminder the first powered flight was 1903. Many of their original letters still exist. They published that reporters feed on each others misinformation and they do not understand the science. Flight was a worldwide endeavor. In other letters the Wright brothers complained about national bias from other countries. NOTHING IS NEW,

[lkagele]

Dude. Do you think the same about the Hong Kong Flu, the Asian Flu, the Spanish Flu???

I don't know if they were making germ warfare over there, but I don't think anyone did this on purpose. It would kill their own people. THINK.

I just read that a report is due out on this subject TODAY. I doubt anyone will believe it. No one believes anything from hardly anybody ANYMORE.

I stand and wait. I think some scientist will figure it out. I am an R and I like Fauci, even with that accent....that kinda grates on me.

The BIG difference is, the diseases you mention were natural.

There seems to be overwhelming evidence that COVID 19 is man made. A Chinese virologist that defected makes that claim and also claims China went to great lengths to cover it up. Plus there's research that contends the sequence of the genetic make of the virus has never been found in nature. A top Chinese spy master recently also defected and supposedly confirms the man made origin. That's just hear say at the moment as no info has officially been release relative to what he's divulging.

I think the escape from the lab was through negligence and not intentional. You have to wonder, however, why China locked down the citizens of Wuhan for travel inside China yet let them travel internationally.

I'll be skeptical of the deep state report unless it references information from the Chinese virologist and the Chinese spy master that also defected. I fear the report will be politically motivated rather than a true investigative document. Hope I'm wrong.

By the way, China doesn't give a rat's a$$ about its citizens. Just ask the Uyghurs.....

[Number 10 GI]

Dude. Do you think the same about the Hong Kong Flu, the Asian Flu, the Spanish Flu???

I don't know if they were making germ warfare over there, but I don't think anyone did this on purpose. It would kill their own people. THINK.

I just read that a report is due out on this subject TODAY. I doubt anyone will believe it. No one believes anything from hardly anybody ANYMORE.

I stand and wait. I think some scientist will figure it out. I am an R and I like Fauci, even with that accent....that kinda grates on me.

Gracie, you are being very naive in thinking that a government wouldn't do something dangerous that might cause illness or death in their population. Many governments have experimented with various chemical and biological warfare weapons in the past and chemical weapons (mustard gas) were used in WWI. During the Cold War nearly all countries were working on biological weapons around the clock.
Totalitarian governments like in China have no respect or concern for their population. China has re-education camps for dissidents and they also make people disappear never to be seen or head from again. Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia slaughtered millions of their own people. I don't trust our government any more than the others I have mentioned.

[EastCoastDawg]

Hey there, Ikagele

Didn't I see you in the "U.S. Made" aisle at WalMart yesterday?

Bit sad, wasn't it. Only three items in total, and two of those were made in China but packaged in the USA.

Sure, I'll be mad at China but first let me stock up the old homestead - no point shooting myself in the foot!

[Taltarzac725]

Gracie, you are being very naive in thinking that a government wouldn't do something dangerous that might cause illness or death in their population. Many governments have experimented with various chemical and biological warfare weapons in the past and chemical weapons (mustard gas) were used in WWI. During the Cold War nearly all countries were working on biological weapons around the clock.
Totalitarian governments like in China have no respect or concern for their population. China has re-education camps for dissidents and they also make people disappear never to be seen or head from again. Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia slaughtered millions of their own people. I don't trust our government any more than the others I have mentioned.

Totalitarian Countries 2021 (https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/totalitarian-countries) China is not a totalitarian government now. North Korea is though.

Currently, the State of Eritrea and North Korea are the only two nations in the world that still have governments classified as totalitarian dictatorships. However, Eritrea and North Korea have not always been the only two totalitarian nations in the world. There were eleven totalitarian nations in the past.

This form of government has been used in other nations, including:

The Union of the Soviet Socialist Republics
The Greater German Reich
The National Legionary State
The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan
The Democratic People's Republic of Korea
The People's Republic of China
The Democratic Kampuchea
The People's Socialist Republic of Albania
The Socialist Republic of Romania
The Socialist Republic of Burma
The State of Eritrea

[coffeebean]

Come on, do you REALLY think they care about their over populated masses in China? They have never worried about killing their own people in the past.

I have to agree with this sentiment. Very sad but true, IMHO.

[graciegirl]

The BIG difference is, the diseases you mention were natural.

There seems to be overwhelming evidence that COVID 19 is man made. A Chinese virologist that defected makes that claim and also claims China went to great lengths to cover it up. Plus there's research that contends the sequence of the genetic make of the virus has never been found in nature. A top Chinese spy master recently also defected and supposedly confirms the man made origin. That's just hear say at the moment as no info has officially been release relative to what he's divulging.

I think the escape from the lab was through negligence and not intentional. You have to wonder, however, why China locked down the citizens of Wuhan for travel inside China yet let them travel internationally.

I'll be skeptical of the deep state report unless it references information from the Chinese virologist and the Chinese spy master that also defected. I fear the report will be politically motivated rather than a true investigative document. Hope I'm wrong.

By the way, China doesn't give a rat's a$$ about its citizens. Just ask the Uyghurs.....

People are still ethical. No matter what their ethnicities or national origin. MOST people would not endanger their loved ones on purpose for any reason.. That is not science, nor is it politics, it is built into us. It is innate. It is genetic.

[jimjamuser]

Really? I saw this article this evening.

Pfizer CEO predicts a vaccine-resistant COVID-19 variant | Just The News (https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/pfizer-ceo-predicts-there-will-likely-be-vaccine-resistant-covid-19)

We are going to be dealing with this nasty bug for the rest of our lives. Right now it seems that our kids, grandkids and great grandkids will be as well.

Why aren't we mad at China? Does anyone really believe COVID didn't originate from China? Does anyone really believe China isn't covering up? They still haven't found the animal host so does anyone really believe COVID isn't man made?

This COVID thing is tearing our nation apart. Meanwhile, China continues to profit economically from this world wide pandemic. Why are we putting up with this? Let's start with boycotting the Beijing Olympics. Let's demand remunerations for the families that have lost loved ones and for all that have suffered due to China's negligence.
My wife stopped shopping at Walmart because of so many Chinese products there. Of course, Target, Home Depot, and all others have large stocks of non-American-made goods. And if the US COULD (?) organize a boycott (aka tea party) for all Chinese made goods, would US citizens be willing to pay the higher costs of the American made products - most senior citizens would be hurt the greatest with the higher prices because they are more likely to be on a fixed income.

Being the world's top 2 economies while still being each other's top trading partners is going to create huge nightmares of competition vs cooperation. Diplomats must keep up a difficult juggling act - miss a juggle move and WAR results. The Olympics was designed to bring counties together, so that alone has both upside and downside. The best strategy for the US would be to keep itself strong and NOT allow itself to fall apart internally! If we can't cooperate to fight a VIRUS, how can we successfully fight a HUGE Dictatorship?

[Taltarzac725]

People are still ethical. No matter what their ethnicities or national origin. MOST people would not endanger their loved ones on purpose for any reason.. That is not science, nor is it politics, it is built into us. It is innate. It is genetic.

Eritrea - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eritrea)

Isaias Afwerki - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaias_Afwerki)

Looks like North Korea and Eritrea are the only totalitarian countries in the world in 2021. China does have some checks-and-balances and the Olympics being there in 2022 create more of these. They will try to put on a good face to the world.

I believe that the Chinese are trying to get at the facts as best they can about the origin of COVID-19 because of all the attention brought on by the 2022 Olympics.

[Topspinmo]

My wife stopped shopping at Walmart because of so many Chinese products there. Of course, Target, Home Depot, and all others have large stocks of non-American-made goods. And if the US COULD (?) organize a boycott (aka tea party) for all Chinese made goods, would US citizens be willing to pay the higher costs of the American made products - most senior citizens would be hurt the greatest with the higher prices because they are more likely to be on a fixed income.

Being the world's top 2 economies while still being each other's top trading partners is going to create huge nightmares of competition vs cooperation. Diplomats must keep up a difficult juggling act - miss a juggle move and WAR results. The Olympics was designed to bring counties together, so that alone has both upside and downside. The best strategy for the US would be to keep itself strong and NOT allow itself to fall apart internally! If we can't cooperate to fight a VIRUS, how can we successfully fight a HUGE Dictatorship?

Now why would big business support that? There ones making billions and don’t even have produce it. We allowed it , condoned it and encouraged it. Well, we the peon’s didn’t, it took our jobs, made the middle class , lower class and the poor out in the street to become beggars. Don’t blame Walmart, target, or any other big business they only play by someone’s else’s rules. The blame IMO is our own federal government legislators who allowed it, condoned it, AND got paid from it.

[Topspinmo]

People are still ethical. No matter what their ethnicities or national origin. MOST people would not endanger their loved ones on purpose for any reason.. That is not science, nor is it politics, it is built into us. It is innate. It is genetic.


I disagree, most people live shelter life and really don’t know what’s really going on IMO of course.

[Topspinmo]

Totalitarian Countries 2021 (https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/totalitarian-countries) China is not a totalitarian government now. North Korea is though.

Somebody playing possum.

[Art cov]

Dude. Do you think the same about the Hong Kong Flu, the Asian Flu, the Spanish Flu???

I don't know if they were making germ warfare over there, but I don't think anyone did this on purpose. It would kill their own people. THINK.

I just read that a report is due out on this subject TODAY. I doubt anyone will believe it. No one believes anything from hardly anybody ANYMORE.

I stand and wait. I think some scientist will figure it out. I am an R and I like Fauci, even with that accent....that kinda grates on me.

I’m not sure about this “dude” way of addressing someone. I’ve heard teenagers or long hair boys going around saying, “hey dude” while glassy eyed and showing little respect. Maybe I’m out of touch, and if so I’m sorry. Who do we call “dude”. The clergy, business owner, police, nurses, doctors. I just don’t know these days who warrants the term DUDE! With all respect to all!

[Taltarzac725]

Intelligence community delivers report on COVID-19 origins to Biden - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/intelligence-community-report-covid-19-origins-biden/)

We will see. It is very hard IMHO to really get straight answers in a situation like COVID 19's origins.

[jimjamuser]

Come on, do you REALLY think they care about their over populated masses in China? They have never worried about killing their own people in the past.
And I have often wondered whether overpopulation (like in China) leads to a lower quality of life and therefore lower-valued life - can said overpopulation INCREASE the propensity for dictatorship in that country? Africa has high concentrations of population and many dictators. Japan before WW2 had a concentrated population and what could be called a military dictatorship. Hitler wanted more "living space". Joseph Stalin did NOT value life very highly even though The Soviet Union was sparsely populated in its eastern section. Not sure if this idea is true in all cases? Maybe, some TV Landers have a better knowledge of this possibility than I do?

[graciegirl]

I’m not sure about this “dude” way of addressing someone. I’ve heard teenagers or long hair boys going around saying, “hey dude” while glassy eyed and showing little respect. Maybe I’m out of touch, and if so I’m sorry. Who do we call “dude”. The clergy, business owner, police, nurses, doctors. I just don’t know these days who warrants the term DUDE! With all respect to all!


It's really the second time I have typed it to someone....

This morning I typed this meme on Facebook.

The devil said; I am the storm.

I said; Dude I am the parent of a special needs child,

GET OUTA MY WAY. I am the storm.

[lkagele]

People are still ethical. No matter what their ethnicities or national origin. MOST people would not endanger their loved ones on purpose for any reason.. That is not science, nor is it politics, it is built into us. It is innate. It is genetic.

I think you're being naive. Do a search on the Uyghurs and get back to me.

[Taltarzac725]

I think you're being naive. Do a search on the Uyghurs and get back to me.

The US had policies in its history that decimated its inhabitants as have pretty much any other country. Many of these were due to rampant nationalism and racism.

[lkagele]

I’m not sure about this “dude” way of addressing someone. I’ve heard teenagers or long hair boys going around saying, “hey dude” while glassy eyed and showing little respect. Maybe I’m out of touch, and if so I’m sorry. Who do we call “dude”. The clergy, business owner, police, nurses, doctors. I just don’t know these days who warrants the term DUDE! With all respect to all!

Didn't bother me in the least.

[graciegirl]

The US had policies in its history that decimated its inhabitants as have pretty much any other country. Many of these were due to rampant nationalism and racism.

I know that. I also know that generally medical scientists are more ethical than the average person and that most of us would not do anything like this for any reason. I know some would. I know all that. It is not an either or opinion.

I have no problem either with "rampant nationalism" and I am a big fan of patriotic people. All these things come from realizing that we need to use common sense, take care of our own, save our money, don't break the rules we were taught as children and don't eat the bovine excrement dished out to us.

I am anxious to see what this report says. I don't like the decisions from The WHITE HOUSE lately on anything. Folks do seem to ignore the information passed to them and that is whether they are R's or D's. Anyone can act like a dummy and we are seeing examples everywhere we look.

[lkagele]

Eritrea - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eritrea)

Isaias Afwerki - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaias_Afwerki)

Looks like North Korea and Eritrea are the only totalitarian countries in the world in 2021. China does have some checks-and-balances and the Olympics being there in 2022 create more of these. They will try to put on a good face to the world.

I believe that the Chinese are trying to get at the facts as best they can about the origin of COVID-19 because of all the attention brought on by the 2022 Olympics.

Well, there's this:
- China initially denied human to human transmission
- 12/19 to 2/20 prevented sharing of any COVID info it had found
- Didn't report the outbreak to the WHO as required
- Silenced medical workers sending the alarm accusing them of lying and upsetting the social order
- Arrested journalists reporting on the virus. Some reporters simply disappeared never to be heard from again.
- Crucial records from the WIV were destroyed.
- Limited information to outside sources researching the virus
- Delayed the WHO investigation by over a year. Only allowed limited access to witnesses and documents. Wouldn't allow certain investigators to be part of the team.
- Refused the WHO's request for a second investigation
- Accused the US military of bringing the virus to China

Other than that, I guess you can say they're trying to get at the facts as best they can.......

[graciegirl]

Really? I saw this article this evening.

Pfizer CEO predicts a vaccine-resistant COVID-19 variant | Just The News (https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/pfizer-ceo-predicts-there-will-likely-be-vaccine-resistant-covid-19)

We are going to be dealing with this nasty bug for the rest of our lives. Right now it seems that our kids, grandkids and great grandkids will be as well.

Why aren't we mad at China? Does anyone really believe COVID didn't originate from China? Does anyone really believe China isn't covering up? They still haven't found the animal host so does anyone really believe COVID isn't man made?

This COVID thing is tearing our nation apart. Meanwhile, China continues to profit economically from this world wide pandemic. Why are we putting up with this? Let's start with boycotting the Beijing Olympics. Let's demand remunerations for the families that have lost loved ones and for all that have suffered due to China's negligence.

Just The News isn't a really great source either; See here;

Just The News - Media Bias/Fact Check (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/just-the-news/)

[jimjamuser]

The BIG difference is, the diseases you mention were natural.

There seems to be overwhelming evidence that COVID 19 is man made. A Chinese virologist that defected makes that claim and also claims China went to great lengths to cover it up. Plus there's research that contends the sequence of the genetic make of the virus has never been found in nature. A top Chinese spy master recently also defected and supposedly confirms the man made origin. That's just hear say at the moment as no info has officially been release relative to what he's divulging.

I think the escape from the lab was through negligence and not intentional. You have to wonder, however, why China locked down the citizens of Wuhan for travel inside China yet let them travel internationally.

I'll be skeptical of the deep state report unless it references information from the Chinese virologist and the Chinese spy master that also defected. I fear the report will be politically motivated rather than a true investigative document. Hope I'm wrong.

By the way, China doesn't give a rat's a$$ about its citizens. Just ask the Uyghurs.....
CV May (?) be man-made or may have jumped from one animal (mammal ) to a human mammal. I don't either know or care very much. It is here! That being said.......it is well known that here in the US CV has jumped from humans to dogs and cats in limited cases, but NATURALLY. Logically, if the disease can go that direction naturally, why wouldn't it be able to go in the reverse direction into humans from animals?

[jimjamuser]

Gracie, you are being very naive in thinking that a government wouldn't do something dangerous that might cause illness or death in their population. Many governments have experimented with various chemical and biological warfare weapons in the past and chemical weapons (mustard gas) were used in WWI. During the Cold War nearly all countries were working on biological weapons around the clock.
Totalitarian governments like in China have no respect or concern for their population. China has re-education camps for dissidents and they also make people disappear never to be seen or head from again. Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia slaughtered millions of their own people. I don't trust our government any more than the others I have mentioned.
Also, the atomic bomb. Several scientists worried that the atomic bomb would light up the whole world's atmosphere and radiation would kill all people. Their advice was not taken, but it was not a sure thing that they were wrong. We took a chance then.

[Taltarzac725]

I think you're being naive. Do a search on the Uyghurs and get back to me.

That is very upsetting. China’s Repression of Uyghurs in Xinjiang | Council on Foreign Relations (https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/chinas-repression-uyghurs-xinjiang?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjbKGmoDN8gIVmLjICh1qVQL YEAAYASAAEgIV9fD_BwE)

[jimjamuser]

I’m not sure about this “dude” way of addressing someone. I’ve heard teenagers or long hair boys going around saying, “hey dude” while glassy eyed and showing little respect. Maybe I’m out of touch, and if so I’m sorry. Who do we call “dude”. The clergy, business owner, police, nurses, doctors. I just don’t know these days who warrants the term DUDE! With all respect to all!
The term "DUDE' may be correctly applied to the main character in the movie, "The Big Lebowski". I believe it was played by Jeff Bridges.

[graciegirl]

The term "DUDE' may be correctly applied to the main character in the movie, "The Big Lebowski". I believe it was played by Jeff Bridges.

I doubt I will use the term Dude again. I just thought I'd try it but seeing that y'all didn't think it sounded nice, I will drop it. I guess I am too old for it anyway.

I just hope this thing passes and none of you reading this get's sick...whether I agree with you are not. This has been a hellish couple of years for so many.

[Topspinmo]

The term "DUDE' may be correctly applied to the main character in the movie, "The Big Lebowski". I believe it was played by Jeff Bridges.

Loved the dude! Dudderness, say what! Smack!

[jimjamuser]

I doubt I will use the term Dude again. I just thought I'd try it but seeing that y'all didn't think it sounded nice, I will drop it. I guess I am too old for it anyway.

I just hope this thing passes and none of you reading this get's sick...whether I agree with you are not. This has been a hellish couple of years for so many.
Agreed, I hope nobody gets sick.

[biker1]

Not exactly. Edward Teller, who along with Ulam developed the strategy for the fusion bomb, suggested that the fission reaction of the Trinity test device might cause sufficient heat for a self sustaining fusion reaction of hydrogen (in the atmosphere) atoms to helium and extinguish life on earth. Fusion reactions do not generate long lived radioactive byproducts so radiation was not the concern. Burning up the atmosphere was the concern. Oppenheimer, the scientific director of the Manhattan Project, was sufficiently concerned that he directed Teller, and someone else I can't remember, to investigate whether this could really happen. Based on energy budget considerations, they determined that a world wide fusion reaction could not happen so the Trinity test proceeded. Teller, who was really more interested in a fusion device (aka the "Super") than the fission devices the Manhattan Project was working on, was in the unique position to suggest the possibility and also to do the analysis to prove it wasn't a possibility. I had the good fortune to see Teller speak some time ago.

Also, the atomic bomb. Several scientists worried that the atomic bomb would light up the whole world's atmosphere and radiation would kill all people. Their advice was not taken, but it was not a sure thing that they were wrong. We took a chance then.

[Bucco]

I know that. I also know that generally medical scientists are more ethical than the average person and that most of us would not do anything like this for any reason. I know some would. I know all that. It is not an either or opinion.

I have no problem either with "rampant nationalism" and I am a big fan of patriotic people. All these things come from realizing that we need to use common sense, take care of our own, save our money, don't break the rules we were taught as children and don't eat the bovine excrement dished out to us.

I am anxious to see what this report says. I don't like the decisions from The WHITE HOUSE lately on anything. Folks do seem to ignore the information passed to them and that is whether they are R's or D's. Anyone can act like a dummy and we are seeing examples everywhere we look.

RAMPANT NATIONALISM as defined in 1931

“A hint of the course the Hitlerites may pursue if they come into power in Germany was given recently in a speech by a party member to a group of Nazi medical men. Suppression of the "inferior" races of the republic, banishment of the Jews, wholesale sterilization of the "unfit," and other measures to insure Teutonic supremacy are part of the program. The fact that the Germans, for all their race consciousness, are far from being a pure stock, evidently did not occur to the speaker.”



RAMPANT NATIONALISM | News | The Harvard Crimson (https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1931/12/10/rampant-nationalism-pa-hint-of-the/)

Another slant on the same thing circa 2019...

Recently, the idea of Nationalism has been the topic of many conversations in the United States. Nationalism, according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, is "Loyalty and devotion to a nation, especially a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups."

The nationalistic ideals that have been spread all throughout the United States have resulted in lines being blurred between the concepts of Patriotism vs. Nationalism. These two concepts are entirely different, however, they seem to be more and more difficult to differentiate.


Nationalism vs. Patriotism (https://www.woosterschool.org/page.cfm?p=1202&newsid=2796&ncat=5)

The following link discusses the difference between PATRIOTISM and NATIONALISM.

Nationalism Doesn’t Fit the American Nation - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/nationalism-doesnt-fit-the-american-nation-11563317835)

As we listen to the moderns speak of being “patriotic”, it might behovee us to read and understand that difference.

There is a difference between “Americans first” and “Americans only”

Sharing a quote, accurate in my opinion, from Sydney Harris....

“The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud of his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates a feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance that leads to war.”

[CFrance]

RAMPANT NATIONALISM as defined in 1931

“A hint of the course the Hitlerites may pursue if they come into power in Germany was given recently in a speech by a party member to a group of Nazi medical men. Suppression of the "inferior" races of the republic, banishment of the Jews, wholesale sterilization of the "unfit," and other measures to insure Teutonic supremacy are part of the program. The fact that the Germans, for all their race consciousness, are far from being a pure stock, evidently did not occur to the speaker.”



RAMPANT NATIONALISM | News | The Harvard Crimson (https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1931/12/10/rampant-nationalism-pa-hint-of-the/)

Another slant on the same thing circa 2019...

Recently, the idea of Nationalism has been the topic of many conversations in the United States. Nationalism, according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, is "Loyalty and devotion to a nation, especially a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups."

The nationalistic ideals that have been spread all throughout the United States have resulted in lines being blurred between the concepts of Patriotism vs. Nationalism. These two concepts are entirely different, however, they seem to be more and more difficult to differentiate.


Nationalism vs. Patriotism (https://www.woosterschool.org/page.cfm?p=1202&newsid=2796&ncat=5)

The following link discusses the difference between PATRIOTISM and NATIONALISM.

Nationalism Doesn’t Fit the American Nation - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/nationalism-doesnt-fit-the-american-nation-11563317835)

As we listen to the moderns speak of being “patriotic”, it might behovee us to read and understand that difference.

There is a difference between “Americans first” and “Americans only”

Sharing a quote, accurate in my opinion, from Sydney Harris....
“The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud of his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates a feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance that leads to war.”
Sydney Harris's quote needs to be broadcast far and wide.

[Coal Miner]

It dosent matter where a virus originates, what matters is how we react to it. Wear mask, get your shot, social distance. Also believe science not crackpot social media rumor spreaders.

[Luggage]

In America we have this philosophical condition that is called not guilty until proven. So far no government body is going out on the limb to say definitely it is China's fault. The CIA just came out with their study saying they can't tell.

[WelchNH]

Well, the mutation of any virus into a more virulent strain is medically well understood- thanks, all you "freedom loving" vaccine deniers! I saw the link to the story and googled the credentials of the news provider: the owner, John Solomon" is outlined in Wikipedia and other credible sources. I stopped researching at that point.

[jswirs]

Dude. Do you think the same about the Hong Kong Flu, the Asian Flu, the Spanish Flu???

I don't know if they were making germ warfare over there, but I don't think anyone did this on purpose. It would kill their own people. THINK.

I just read that a report is due out on this subject TODAY. I doubt anyone will believe it. No one believes anything from hardly anybody ANYMORE.

I stand and wait. I think some scientist will figure it out. I am an R and I like Fauci, even with that accent....that kinda grates on me.

Very true. If you don't listen to or read the news you are not informed; if you do listen to or read the news you are misinformed.
CNN and their ilk, slant everything to the left, Fox, and their ilk, slant everything to the right. Which is why I rely on my own common sense.

[drducat]

Very true. If you don't listen to or read the news you are not informed; if you do listen to or read the news you are misinformed.
CNN and their ilk, slant everything to the left, Fox, and their ilk, slant everything to the right. Which is why I rely on my own common sense.

Yes and the so called Fact Checking orgs just had to dive head first into a woodchipper and go on the take....no different....:loco:

[GeriS]

That is very upsetting. China’s Repression of Uyghurs in Xinjiang | Council on Foreign Relations (https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/chinas-repression-uyghurs-xinjiang?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjbKGmoDN8gIVmLjICh1qVQL YEAAYASAAEgIV9fD_BwE)
Also look up what is happening to Falun Gong practioners. Need a kidney? Disgusting!

[Ashley from UK]

We will never know the origin of the current Covid virus. That is probably one of the very few secrets that won't be leaked.

The virus leaks, the name of the creators and investors don't....

Now that is far more worrying....

The lesson... We need to stop acting as god and producing things to kill us... because one day they will....

Until then, well I am counting down the days to retirement when I plan to join you all, play as much golf, swim as many lengths cycle and run as many miles as I can and to end as many nights dancing the nights away... And my only worry will be to avoid pulling too many muscles in the process....

[merrymini]

Gain of function was being done in the lab in china.
This is not a naturally occurring event.
Chine controls ALL it’s media and will not let anything be said without approval.
Medical people can be as corrupt as anyone else.
Mao zedong killed about 50 million of his own people.
Stalin killed about 50 to 60 million of his own people.
Big pharm is making BILLIONS of dollars off a flu shot.
Line up for your monthly shot. Chaching!

[Billy1]

God created this, live in the peace and love of God.

[Girlcopper]

Really? I saw this article this evening.

Pfizer CEO predicts a vaccine-resistant COVID-19 variant | Just The News (https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/pfizer-ceo-predicts-there-will-likely-be-vaccine-resistant-covid-19)

We are going to be dealing with this nasty bug for the rest of our lives. Right now it seems that our kids, grandkids and great grandkids will be as well.

Why aren't we mad at China? Does anyone really believe COVID didn't originate from China? Does anyone really believe China isn't covering up? They still haven't found the animal host so does anyone really believe COVID isn't man made?

This COVID thing is tearing our nation apart. Meanwhile, China continues to profit economically from this world wide pandemic. Why are we putting up with this? Let's start with boycotting the Beijing Olympics. Let's demand remunerations for the families that have lost loved ones and for all that have suffered due to China's negligence.
Mad at china? Seriously?

[Petersweeney]

This conversation is a year and a half old and so predictable- go out and plant some flowers or vegetables and do something productive….

[kenoc7]

it may have been located in China, but many countries were involved in the development of this. if you can manage to read fauci's emails, you'll see he lied about the US funding this 'research,'
More disinformation

[fastboat]

Really? I saw this article this evening.

Pfizer CEO predicts a vaccine-resistant COVID-19 variant | Just The News (https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/pfizer-ceo-predicts-there-will-likely-be-vaccine-resistant-covid-19)

We are going to be dealing with this nasty bug for the rest of our lives. Right now it seems that our kids, grandkids and great grandkids will be as well.

Why aren't we mad at China? Does anyone really believe COVID didn't originate from China? Does anyone really believe China isn't covering up? They still haven't found the animal host so does anyone really believe COVID isn't man made?

This COVID thing is tearing our nation apart. Meanwhile, China continues to profit economically from this world wide pandemic. Why are we putting up with this? Let's start with boycotting the Beijing Olympics. Let's demand remunerations for the families that have lost loved ones and for all that have suffered due to China's negligence.

We will NOT be holding China responsible for Covid or punishing them in any way, father and son will see to it.

[drducat]

More disinformation

The US funding was in the form of a grant to Fauci which he in turn sent over to Wuhan after getting the program booted out of the US.

The University of Hong Kong has been included in this research at the Wuhan lab.

So it was not directly funded by US tax dollars, rather thru a third party (Fauci).

The Wuhan lab has been known to have researchers from the CCP which were interested in BioWeapon research. 2 + 2 = 4 :evil6:

[drducat]

On the lighter side....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8GlfkXQam4

[lkagele]

Just The News isn't a really great source either; See here;

Just The News - Media Bias/Fact Check (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/just-the-news/)

It's simply an article reporting what the Pfizer CEO said. You can find the same information in numerous sources. Are you disputing the information in the article?

Just the News is right leaning for sure but it has some of the best investigative reporting out there. It's one of about 15 sources I review.

[FUSSY LADY]

You are so right, the Chinese don't care about their own people, they were restricting them on how many children each family could have. They are evil people in China!

[lkagele]

Well, the mutation of any virus into a more virulent strain is medically well understood- thanks, all you "freedom loving" vaccine deniers! I saw the link to the story and googled the credentials of the news provider: the owner, John Solomon" is outlined in Wikipedia and other credible sources. I stopped researching at that point.

Wikipedia has become less than a reliable source. Left leaning to be sure.

Why don't you try reviewing some of his investigative reports? Some of the best reporting out there. And just because you may not agree with the author's political affiliation, it doesn't make the story any less true. Are you contending the Pfizer CEO didn't make those statements or the story is false?

[Marine1974]

You remember all the protesters in China , Hong Kong before Covid hit ? You don’t hear of any more protests and there is
10 million less cell phone users in China 🇨🇳.

[Marine1974]

China has more of its own problems like only 12 % renewable clean water . China has to import clean water , you can’t drink from the faucet. Ground is polluted.
air pollution. Can you believe we saved the Chinese from being taken over by Japan ? I believe most Chinese want their freedom.
Any war with them and you could see majority of their military surrender.

[newgirl]

Where it started does not matter, how it stops is the only important issue.
Why do you feel getting angry is going to help anyone? It seems to me you are trying to create more hate and that is the last thing this country needs.

[Jacob85]

I saw on tv where China has started a propaganda campaign saying it came from the US and our labs! Just say a lie often enough and people believe it so the Chinese probably now think it was our cover up!

[Sherry8bal]

Dude. Do you think the same about the Hong Kong Flu, the Asian Flu, the Spanish Flu???

I don't know if they were making germ warfare over there, but I don't think anyone did this on purpose. It would kill their own people. THINK.

I just read that a report is due out on this subject TODAY. I doubt anyone will believe it. No one believes anything from hardly anybody ANYMORE.

I stand and wait. I think some scientist will figure it out. I am an R and I like Fauci, even with that accent....that kinda grates on me.

If you think China would not think twice about killing their own people, you need a history book. They've been doing it for decades and they don't care. That's how they control the people and continue to keep Communism there to rule over the people. Their people are a dime a dozen to them and they will use them for experiments continually. Of course, this virus was generated by the Chinese in their own labs and then purposely released to the world. That's what they do.

[tvbound]

It's just sad, that so many people need to find someone, or some entity, to hate or blame for everything.

[DIver0258]

With disinformation at every turn. At this point I’m more concerned about the medical community’s ability to further develop a vaccine that is more resistant to the viruses variants. Point fingers now is pointless the damage to the world has been done.

[Ptmckiou]

Really? I saw this article this evening.

Pfizer CEO predicts a vaccine-resistant COVID-19 variant | Just The News (https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/pfizer-ceo-predicts-there-will-likely-be-vaccine-resistant-covid-19)

We are going to be dealing with this nasty bug for the rest of our lives. Right now it seems that our kids, grandkids and great grandkids will be as well.

Why aren't we mad at China? Does anyone really believe COVID didn't originate from China? Does anyone really believe China isn't covering up? They still haven't found the animal host so does anyone really believe COVID isn't man made?

This COVID thing is tearing our nation apart. Meanwhile, China continues to profit economically from this world wide pandemic. Why are we putting up with this? Let's start with boycotting the Beijing Olympics. Let's demand remunerations for the families that have lost loved ones and for all that have suffered due to China's negligence.

Seriously, the hate, judgement, and finger pointing needs to stop. Logic dictates that China didn’t do it on purpose, because that would mean slitting your own throat. China people are dying just like everyone else. So, that means it was either a lab accident or nature evolved it in China. Either way, they are in deep do-do just like the rest of the world.

We are all on the same team. The human species team. The virus doesn’t care your nationality or language. We are all in the same boat and finger pointing is not only unnecessary, but quite useless since they didn’t start it on purpose. Move forward and stop looking backwards. Virus’s will be virus’s and this isn’t the last one. It’s what they do. Get behind science and technology and throw everything we got at it. That’s what we did with smallpox and polio. It still holds true.

[Byte1]

This conversation is a year and a half old and so predictable- go out and plant some flowers or vegetables and do something productive….

And be careful not to bury your head in the dirt while you are at it.

[Byte1]

Aw, don't worry about how or who caused this world wide, murdering pandemic. After all, it's way too late and is not important....right? right? And there is also no need to investigate murders because it's too late to worry or change anything. Who cares who murdered that girl. Since it was a gun that did the killing, we should find out how to neutralize the guns in the world, right? right? Holding someone accountable doesn't matter, right? right? And for those that are TOO NAIVE to understand that I am being facetious, the origin of the deed is just as important as the deed itself as to how to fix this. Why do they search for patient "zero" when there is an outbreak? No answer is needed to that question.

[Bucco]

It's just sad, that so many people need to find someone, or some entity, to hate or blame for everything.

When you are told that everything is someone elses fault…..either by their birthplace, skin color, or whatever you choose (you do not seem to need anything much else in the way of “evidence” or “proof”)…..well, that is how you see everything. It obviously also clears your conscience.

No fault ever comes your way…..there is always a “yeah but”

[drducat]

[QUOTE=petiteone;1994636]

The link given is to a website that goes well beyond the “extremist” and totally “fake” news. How someone who touts or even reads that total garbage is allowed to share his/her opinion is a real challenge to our country and free speech.

Freedom Watch fake news???:1rotfl::1rotfl:

They are reporting on item pulled by the Freedom of Information Act which all very real documentation....sorry if the documented truth bothers you.

[Bucco]

[QUOTE=Bucco;1994640]

Freedom Watch fake news???:1rotfl::1rotfl:

They are reporting on item pulled by the Freedom of Information Act which all very real documentation....sorry if the documented truth bothers you.

The emails have no relationship of truth with the arrived at conclusions OR the headlines.

This entire line of attempted defamation has been debunked so many times over and over, and the entire line of these continuing assaults since May of 2020 (not sure about the date, but close).

It is yet another untruth wrapped in headlines that only certain folks will fall for.

[irishwonone]

Eritrea - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eritrea)

Isaias Afwerki - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaias_Afwerki)

Looks like North Korea and Eritrea are the only totalitarian countries in the world in 2021. China does have some checks-and-balances and the Olympics being there in 2022 create more of these. They will try to put on a good face to the world.

I believe that the Chinese are trying to get at the facts as best they can about the origin of COVID-19 because of all the attention brought on by the 2022 Olympics.
I couldn’t disagree more.

[jimjamuser]

Not exactly. Edward Teller, who along with Ulam developed the strategy for the fusion bomb, suggested that the fission reaction of the Trinity test device might cause sufficient heat for a self sustaining fusion reaction of hydrogen (in the atmosphere) atoms to helium and extinguish life on earth. Fusion reactions do not generate long lived radioactive byproducts so radiation was not the concern. Burning up the atmosphere was the concern. Oppenheimer, the scientific director of the Manhattan Project, was sufficiently concerned that he directed Teller, and someone else I can't remember, to investigate whether this could really happen. Based on energy budget considerations, they determined that a world wide fusion reaction could not happen so the Trinity test proceeded. Teller, who was really more interested in a fusion device (aka the "Super") than the fission devices the Manhattan Project was working on, was in the unique position to suggest the possibility and also to do the analysis to prove it wasn't a possibility. I had the good fortune to see Teller speak some time ago.
Thank you for that DEEPLY knowledgeable information on an interesting chapter of science. I was only aware of a vague general outline of the situation. That is the BEAUTY of a forum!

[jimjamuser]

Sydney Harris's quote needs to be broadcast far and wide.
I agree with the content of both posts #46 and #47. Both are very informative and important statements!

[Heyitsrick]

When you are told that everything is someone elses fault…..either by their birthplace, skin color, or whatever you choose (you do not seem to need anything much else in the way of “evidence” or “proof”)…..well, that is how you see everything. It obviously also clears your conscience.

No fault ever comes your way…..there is always a “yeah but”

You've got to love it when someone unknowingly annunciates a personal blind spot.

[drducat]

[QUOTE=drducat;1994653]

The emails have no relationship of truth with the arrived at conclusions OR the headlines.

This entire line of attempted defamation has been debunked so many times over and over, and the entire line of these continuing assaults since May of 2020 (not sure about the date, but close).

It is yet another untruth wrapped in headlines that only certain folks will fall for.

Freedom Watch is a legal organization...run by attorneys reporting findings from filed documents.

[jimjamuser]

Very true. If you don't listen to or read the news you are not informed; if you do listen to or read the news you are misinformed.
CNN and their ilk, slant everything to the left, Fox, and their ilk, slant everything to the right. Which is why I rely on my own common sense.
And that leaves the traditional channels pretty much in the middle - like NBC, CBS, and ABC. Please, everyone.......work hard to cut through the "fog of chaos" to arrive at clarity for yourself and others in one's orbit. We ALL live in interesting and difficult times, so much is asked of us.

[jimjamuser]

You are so right, the Chinese don't care about their own people, they were restricting them on how many children each family could have. They are evil people in China!
The one-child policy of China was a long time ago. It tried to balance the amount of resources (like food and financial strength) with an ultra-fast growing population. Some might call that good and not evil?

[jimjamuser]

China has more of its own problems like only 12 % renewable clean water . China has to import clean water , you can’t drink from the faucet. Ground is polluted.
air pollution. Can you believe we saved the Chinese from being taken over by Japan ? I believe most Chinese want their freedom.
Any war with them and you could see majority of their military surrender.
I hope that is correct!

[jimjamuser]

Where it started does not matter, how it stops is the only important issue.
Why do you feel getting angry is going to help anyone? It seems to me you are trying to create more hate and that is the last thing this country needs.
IMHO blaming China for the US's problems is a clever design to DEFLECT attention and blame away from RUSSIA - which has a greater interest in seeing the US FAIL than China because of our great trade with China and virtually none with RUSSIA.

[tvbound]

IMHO blaming China for the US's problems is a clever design to DEFLECT attention and blame away from RUSSIA - which has a greater interest in seeing the US FAIL than China because of our great trade with China and virtually none with RUSSIA.

Correct. Russia is laughing their butt's off right now and (rightfully) patting themselves on the back.

[jimjamuser]

It's just sad, that so many people need to find someone, or some entity, to hate or blame for everything.
Yes, there are so many examples of that in History. I tend to believe that it can be explained by the anthropological survival instinct built up in early man. Your tribe may live in a cave and for years be happy and relatively non-violent. Then along comes another tribe that wants your hunting grounds and wants your cave. The ongoing competition requires that to survive YOU must distinguish your tribe from the "OTHER" tribe. Modern nations can create a false NATIONALISM by pitting the larger, dominant tribe (or subculture of that nation) against the smaller, less dominant tribe within that nation.

[Arctic Fox]

Of course, this virus was generated by the Chinese in their own labs and then purposely released to the world. That's what they do.

Hmmm. I think we might need some examples - proven ones would be an added bonus.

[Number 10 GI]

The one-child policy of China was a long time ago. It tried to balance the amount of resources (like food and financial strength) with an ultra-fast growing population. Some might call that good and not evil?

It wasn't that many years ago. Do you not consider forced abortion evil? Do you not consider forced re-education evil? Do you not consider dissidents that disappear not evil? People are strongly encouraged to keep tabs on their neighbors and report to the government if they are criticizing the government, is that not evil?

[Number 10 GI]

Yes, there are so many examples of that in History. I tend to believe that it can be explained by the anthropological survival instinct built up in early man. Your tribe may live in a cave and for years be happy and relatively non-violent. Then along comes another tribe that wants your hunting grounds and wants your cave. The ongoing competition requires that to survive YOU must distinguish your tribe from the "OTHER" tribe. Modern nations can create a false NATIONALISM by pitting the larger, dominant tribe (or subculture of that nation) against the smaller, less dominant tribe within that nation.

Sounds just like what is happening in this country now. We're being divided into groups by race, religion, political agenda, age, sex or whatever constitutes sex now, and financial status.

[jimjamuser]

It wasn't that many years ago. Do you not consider forced abortion evil? Do you not consider forced re-education evil? Do you not consider dissidents that disappear not evil? People are strongly encouraged to keep tabs on their neighbors and report to the government if they are criticizing the government, is that not evil?
Yes, it is true that China has a reputation for being pure and ultimate evil. I, personally, only know one person who ACTUALLY lived there. it was about 20 years ago. He taught English to Chinese students. He enjoyed his time there and liked his students very much. I know for a fact that he is not "EVIL". In Russia, China, Mexico, the US, and other countries there are often differences between the Federal Government and the common people, with the common people being the more likable and less "EVIL". Statistically, my friend's experience is an N of 1 and 29 years old. It is well known that in Mexico, the people in the small towns and low populated regions are happy and friendly - but the big cities are filled with drug gangs, murderers, and kidnappers. So, is Mexico good or EVIL? Probably both. I do not have enough experience with China to make a realistic judgment about it.

[Heytubes]

I remember after coming home from Nam, a bud I served with volunteered to go to an Army fort in Maryland for experimental drugs…was never the same afterwards. At least he got an early out. Beware of your friendly government.

[Number 10 GI]

Yes, it is true that China has a reputation for being pure and ultimate evil. I, personally, only know one person who ACTUALLY lived there. it was about 20 years ago. He taught English to Chinese students. He enjoyed his time there and liked his students very much. I know for a fact that he is not "EVIL". In Russia, China, Mexico, the US, and other countries there are often differences between the Federal Government and the common people, with the common people being the more likable and less "EVIL". Statistically, my friend's experience is an N of 1 and 29 years old. It is well known that in Mexico, the people in the small towns and low populated regions are happy and friendly - but the big cities are filled with drug gangs, murderers, and kidnappers. So, is Mexico good or EVIL? Probably both. I do not have enough experience with China to make a realistic judgment about it.

I need to be more clear about what I'm calling evil. Too many governments are run by evil people and commit evil acts. I didn't do a very good job of explaining that the Chinese government is run by evil people as is in North Korea, Cuba, and most of the middle east. I didn't mean that all of the citizenry was evil.
During my time in the Army I had the opportunity to interact with the average citizen in foreign countries and for the most part they are good people. They have the same concerns in life as we do. Health, family, finances, etc.

[jimjamuser]

When you are told that everything is someone elses fault…..either by their birthplace, skin color, or whatever you choose (you do not seem to need anything much else in the way of “evidence” or “proof”)…..well, that is how you see everything. It obviously also clears your conscience.

No fault ever comes your way…..there is always a “yeah but”
I think that blaming China (which the CIA said was a fool's errand) is one of several ways to DIVERT the subconscious GUILT that vaccine-hesitant people feel guilty about. They know that 600,000 plus of their fellow Americans are dead. And maybe 400,000 did NOT need to die IF the anti-vaccine movement was not so strong.

Today, most Medical and Scientific professionals are stating that, "this is a Pandemic of the UNvaccinated". So, that is touching the heartstrings of the religious and empathetic vaccine-hesitant everywhere. Mandates started at the US military, Airlines, large government organizations, and private corporations will, hopefully, cause a snowball effect which will lower vaccine-hesitantcy to a point where CV cases drop. Hopefully, this happens all over Florida and SOON because the new variants are NOT stopping!

[tvbound]

I think that blaming China (which the CIA said was a fool's errand) is one of several ways to DIVERT the subconscious GUILT that vaccine-hesitant people feel guilty about. They know that 600,000 plus of their fellow Americans are dead. And maybe 400,000 did NOT need to die IF the anti-vaccine movement was not so strong.

Today, most Medical and Scientific professionals are stating that, "this is a Pandemic of the UNvaccinated". So, that is touching the heartstrings of the religious and empathetic vaccine-hesitant everywhere. Mandates started at the US military, Airlines, large government organizations, and private corporations will, hopefully, cause a snowball effect which will lower vaccine-hesitantcy to a point where CV cases drop. Hopefully, this happens all over Florida and SOON because the new variants are NOT stopping!

"this is a Pandemic of the UNvaccinated"


Truth!

[jimjamuser]

I need to be more clear about what I'm calling evil. Too many governments are run by evil people and commit evil acts. I didn't do a very good job of explaining that the Chinese government is run by evil people as is in North Korea, Cuba, and most of the middle east. I didn't mean that all of the citizenry was evil.
During my time in the Army I had the opportunity to interact with the average citizen in foreign countries and for the most part they are good people. They have the same concerns in life as we do. Health, family, finances, etc.
I agree with the contents of this post.

[Escape Artist]

"this is a Pandemic of the UNvaccinated"


Truth!

Don't marginalize and condemn others for something that is still unclear and uncertain.

[jimjamuser]

Don't marginalize and condemn others for something that is still unclear and uncertain.
That is a common statement by Doctors that are tired and suffering burnout from long shifts in ICUs throughout the South and other parts of the US. No one can LEGITIMATELY dispute that statement. Reality is hard to avoid with just "happy talk". These Doctors have seen too much DEATH and suffering to be mocked or called liars or whatever is going on?