Restaurant labor shortages

[CoachKandSportsguy]

The Economics of Rudeness - Mauldin Economics (https://www.mauldineconomics.com/connecting-the-dots/the-economics-of-rudeness)

I am sure that there are a number of them amongst the posters here. . . has to be given their points and replies here.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The Economics of Rudeness - Mauldin Economics (https://www.mauldineconomics.com/connecting-the-dots/the-economics-of-rudeness)

I am sure that there are a number of them amongst the posters here. . . has to be given their points and replies here.

These serious cases are often people who chose not to be vaccinated. No matter how professional and compassionate you are, treating someone who voluntarily exposed themselves to a possibly fatal disease must be tough.

I didn't quit my job at Publix because of angry customers. Been in retail too long to let them get the best of me. Ugly is ugly whether there's a pandemic or not.

But it's definitely an upside to not having to work anymore. I can now stand up to ANYONE throwing that kind of abuse at me, without worrying about losing my job. You have a problem with me wearing a mask? Tough. You have a problem with me telling you to back the heck up if you're getting too close? Good luck with getting me to shut up about it. It'll just make me louder now. I never liked people breathing down my neck before the pandemic, you bet your sweet bippy I won't stand for it now.

You don't like me giving you dirty looks when you cough in the store, and don't cover your mouth? Well then next time, cover your damned mouth.

And yes I will be vocal about it now. Because I'm no longer being paid to care what anyone else thinks.

Adding - and if I'm in line and the person in front of me is abusing the cashier, calling them stupid just because they're trying to do their job - you better believe I'll be coming to that cashier's defense.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Yes, I have noticed that about people as they age or incompetence and quality goes down hill, and I call it "the rat syndrome", because their is no benefit in being nice anymore, its all for oneself in the rat race.

Lets just say i was like that over the weekend, and my wife was not happy with me, as it wasn't helpful when someone was trying to help me. . . of course I was made at the machine being programmed to go slower than I was.

[camaguey48]

I didn't quit my job at Publix because of angry customers. Been in retail too long to let them get the best of me. Ugly is ugly whether there's a pandemic or not.

But it's definitely an upside to not having to work anymore. I can now stand up to ANYONE throwing that kind of abuse at me, without worrying about losing my job. You have a problem with me wearing a mask? Tough. You have a problem with me telling you to back the heck up if you're getting too close? Good luck with getting me to shut up about it. It'll just make me louder now. I never liked people breathing down my neck before the pandemic, you bet your sweet bippy I won't stand for it now.

You don't like me giving you dirty looks when you cough in the store, and don't cover your mouth? Well then next time, cover your damned mouth.

And yes I will be vocal about it now. Because I'm no longer being paid to care what anyone else thinks.

Adding - and if I'm in line and the person in front of me is abusing the cashier, calling them stupid just because they're trying to do their job - you better believe I'll be coming to that cashier's defense.
I am not vaccinated but I also have the antibodies as the results of my blood analysis show, and I don't begrudge anyone wearing a mask; that is their choice. We live in a free country.
What I do is treat everyone with dignity and respect and I don't let anger overcome me when I see someone being abusive. If someone is abusive towards me, I simply smile and move on. These people are not worthy of my time and attention. Let them be angry, I choose to be happy and kind towards others.
Anger is a sign of weakness and it's the punishment we give ourselves for someone else's mistake. What a concept.

[RICH1]

Hospital and Medical professionals should Not have to treat non- vaccinated people! Putting their lives on the line on a daily basis is why there is a mass exodus of Nurses....This pandemic is a Global Intelligence test that China has created!

[jswirs]

I didn't quit my job at Publix because of angry customers. Been in retail too long to let them get the best of me. Ugly is ugly whether there's a pandemic or not.

But it's definitely an upside to not having to work anymore. I can now stand up to ANYONE throwing that kind of abuse at me, without worrying about losing my job. You have a problem with me wearing a mask? Tough. You have a problem with me telling you to back the heck up if you're getting too close? Good luck with getting me to shut up about it. It'll just make me louder now. I never liked people breathing down my neck before the pandemic, you bet your sweet bippy I won't stand for it now.

You don't like me giving you dirty looks when you cough in the store, and don't cover your mouth? Well then next time, cover your damned mouth.

And yes I will be vocal about it now. Because I'm no longer being paid to care what anyone else thinks.

Adding - and if I'm in line and the person in front of me is abusing the cashier, calling them stupid just because they're trying to do their job - you better believe I'll be coming to that cashier's defense.

Well shiver me timbers and blow me down Popeye! And don't forget to eat your spinach! Bluto could be just around the corner!

[crash]

The Economics of Rudeness - Mauldin Economics (https://www.mauldineconomics.com/connecting-the-dots/the-economics-of-rudeness)

I am sure that there are a number of them amongst the posters here. . . has to be given their points and replies here.

Thank you for sharing this it is so true and have seen it many times in restaurants here. My daughter works at the fire department in the office and deals with this everyday. People please be kind everyone is tired of the pandemic.

[1couple]

The Economics of Rudeness - Mauldin Economics (https://www.mauldineconomics.com/connecting-the-dots/the-economics-of-rudeness)

I am sure that there are a number of them amongst the posters here. . . has to be given their points and replies here. most places that have a worker shortage had it before Covid they don’t pay very much no benefits and treat employees like crap

[Luggage]

I understand your opinion but we do not live in a free country. There are plenty of rules and regulations from seat belts to no smoking to kids getting vaccinated if they want to go to public schools, so why are you so upset that everyone has to wear a mask?

[Luggage]

Just as there are plenty of places that don't understand the worth of an employee, there are also plenty of places that do treat workers with respect give them Fair wages and understand the value of a human body

[Travelhunter123]

I am not vaccinated but I also have the antibodies as the results of my blood analysis show, and I don't begrudge anyone wearing a mask; that is their choice. We live in a free country.
What I do is treat everyone with dignity and respect and I don't let anger overcome me when I see someone being abusive. If someone is abusive towards me, I simply smile and move on. These people are not worthy of my time and attention. Let them be angry, I choose to be happy and kind towards others.
Anger is a sign of weakness and it's the punishment we give ourselves for someone else's mistake. What a concept.

Have you ever considered your failure to protect yourself and more importantly others, through vaccination, abusive to those unsuspecting people you come in contact with

[Billy1]

Can't believe people are arguing it's okay to be mean to people. If you are angry, you let yourself become angry.

[MrFlorida]

I'm sure getting paid more to stay home rather than going to work has something to do with it...human nature.

[C4Boston]

The Economics of Rudeness - Mauldin Economics (https://www.mauldineconomics.com/connecting-the-dots/the-economics-of-rudeness)

I am sure that there are a number of them amongst the posters here. . . has to be given their points and replies here.

Perhaps we need one of these restaurants to open in The Villages. Their waitstaff are intentionally rude and just give it back. America’s Thirteen Most Abusive Restaurants (https://www.grubstreet.com/2012/06/americas-abusive-rude-restaurants-bars-list.html)

[Spalumbos62]

I didn't quit my job at Publix because of angry customers. Been in retail too long to let them get the best of me. Ugly is ugly whether there's a pandemic or not.

But it's definitely an upside to not having to work anymore. I can now stand up to ANYONE throwing that kind of abuse at me, without worrying about losing my job. You have a problem with me wearing a mask? Tough. You have a problem with me telling you to back the heck up if you're getting too close? Good luck with getting me to shut up about it. It'll just make me louder now. I never liked people breathing down my neck before the pandemic, you bet your sweet bippy I won't stand for it now.

You don't like me giving you dirty looks when you cough in the store, and don't cover your mouth? Well then next time, cover your damned mouth.

And yes I will be vocal about it now. Because I'm no longer being paid to care what anyone else thinks.

Adding - and if I'm in line and the person in front of me is abusing the cashier, calling them stupid just because they're trying to do their job - you better believe I'll be coming to that cashier's defense.

You go girl...!

[Spalumbos62]

Yes, I have noticed that about people as they age or incompetence and quality goes down hill, and I call it "the rat syndrome", because their is no benefit in being nice anymore, its all for oneself in the rat race.

Lets just say i was like that over the weekend, and my wife was not happy with me, as it wasn't helpful when someone was trying to help me. . . of course I was made at the machine being programmed to go slower than I was.

That is not what she was saying.
She's the one tired of taking the crap. She's not an instigator, she's not walking around being miserable and ready to pounce. She's tired of people throwing crap at her and having to shut up and take it....now if someone throws she has the confidence and ability to respond back, and not necessarily nasty, just standing up to the crap the other miserable xxxxx is throwing. There is a difference.

[Spalumbos62]

I am not vaccinated but I also have the antibodies as the results of my blood analysis show, and I don't begrudge anyone wearing a mask; that is their choice. We live in a free country.
What I do is treat everyone with dignity and respect and I don't let anger overcome me when I see someone being abusive. If someone is abusive towards me, I simply smile and move on. These people are not worthy of my time and attention. Let them be angry, I choose to be happy and kind towards others.
Anger is a sign of weakness and it's the punishment we give ourselves for someone else's mistake. What a concept.

Soooo...you are not vaccinated AND you don't wear a mask. Why? Just wondering. Not worried about catching it? Political? Don't trust the hospital system? Don't care about others?

[Spalumbos62]

Hospital and Medical professionals should Not have to treat non- vaccinated people! Putting their lives on the line on a daily basis is why there is a mass exodus of Nurses....This pandemic is a Global Intelligence test that China has created!

I was with you 100%....until your last line.

[Spalumbos62]

I'm sure getting paid more to stay home rather than going to work has something to do with it...human nature.


Nothing was said about unemployment..if that is what you were trying to say????

[Babubhat]

I didn't quit my job at Publix because of angry customers. Been in retail too long to let them get the best of me. Ugly is ugly whether there's a pandemic or not.

But it's definitely an upside to not having to work anymore. I can now stand up to ANYONE throwing that kind of abuse at me, without worrying about losing my job. You have a problem with me wearing a mask? Tough. You have a problem with me telling you to back the heck up if you're getting too close? Good luck with getting me to shut up about it. It'll just make me louder now. I never liked people breathing down my neck before the pandemic, you bet your sweet bippy I won't stand for it now.

You don't like me giving you dirty looks when you cough in the store, and don't cover your mouth? Well then next time, cover your damned mouth.

And yes I will be vocal about it now. Because I'm no longer being paid to care what anyone else thinks.

Adding - and if I'm in line and the person in front of me is abusing the cashier, calling them stupid just because they're trying to do their job - you better believe I'll be coming to that cashier's defense.

It would be wise of you to take mike Tyson’s advice. Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth

[Petersweeney]

I have antibodies and according to Israeli study 13x the fighting power of the “vaccine “ so why should I get it …. To make you happy ? What crap….,

[Grochest]

I am a male. I tend to get ornery when I am hungry. I found out my patience level severely decreases when I have to wait an hour and a half after I have ordered to receive my plate. So now, I just don’t go to restaurants and eat at home. I have found that I also save a lot of money. I also get to tip myself 25%.

[kkingston57]

I'm sure getting paid more to stay home rather than going to work has something to do with it...human nature.

This has already eneded in Florida. Will be interesting as to how this will affect the job market in TV. Personally I feel that there are a lot more better paying/better hour jobs availalble and the restaurant staff people are not coming back to restaurant business.

Time will tell.

[Byte1]

Hospital and Medical professionals should Not have to treat non- vaccinated people! Putting their lives on the line on a daily basis is why there is a mass exodus of Nurses....This pandemic is a Global Intelligence test that China has created!

I agree, "hospital and medical professionals" should not have to treat sick or injured people...............:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Byte1]

I am not vaccinated but I also have the antibodies as the results of my blood analysis show, and I don't begrudge anyone wearing a mask; that is their choice. We live in a free country.
What I do is treat everyone with dignity and respect and I don't let anger overcome me when I see someone being abusive. If someone is abusive towards me, I simply smile and move on. These people are not worthy of my time and attention. Let them be angry, I choose to be happy and kind towards others.
Anger is a sign of weakness and it's the punishment we give ourselves for someone else's mistake. What a concept.

I agree. Anger is YOUR decision, not someone else's. No one can "make" you angry. Only you can choose to be angry. I have become impatient with servers but not angry. And even impatience is a choice of moods. No one has ever spoken rudely to me since I have been here. If you wish to allow yourself to get angry, try living overseas where no one understands the concept of standing in line to be served and any simple bureaucratic function seems to take forever. I have found that a smile when someone is rude to you, has a tendency to change their mood. I do not understand how so many retirees can be angry all the time. Seems to be nonproductive and unhealthy to me.

[Byte1]

Just as there are plenty of places that don't understand the worth of an employee, there are also plenty of places that do treat workers with respect give them Fair wages and understand the value of a human body

And the employee is free to go elsewhere for a higher paying job, IF they are worth it. It is not the fault of the employer if they wish to make a profit. Most folks are paid more than they are worth anyway.

[Byte1]

Have you ever considered your failure to protect yourself and more importantly others, through vaccination, abusive to those unsuspecting people you come in contact with

Maybe folks need to protect themselves rather than expecting everyone else to do it for them? Apparently, you didn't understand it when the poster said they had the protection from contracting the illness. And as for wearing a mask, even medical professionals have been known to say that the ones being worn by most of the public are useless. So, if one wishes to be protected in public and not willing to protect themselves, then they should stay home.

[sdeikenberry]

It's not just recently that rudeness has been an issue. My son worked at Best Buy for some 15 years, mostly as a store manager. About four years ago he quit and went into a field where he didn't have to deal with the public in a retail setting. He loved his job, so why did he quit? The only reason: customers abused him and his staff.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Just as there are plenty of places that don't understand the worth of an employee, there are also plenty of places that do treat workers with respect give them Fair wages and understand the value of a human body

The point of the OP is not that workers aren't being treated fairly by employers. It's that they're no longer being treated fairly by customers.

You can pay me $20/hour for a cashier job at the supermarket, with full medical benefits and yearly dues at the local gym, company picnic, and monthly rewards. It won't make the job any easier to handle if the customers are abusive.

That's why people are leaving in droves. Customers are angrier than usual, they're expressing their anger more than usual, and the cashiers and other "front end" people have had it.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

It would be wise of you to take mike Tyson’s advice. Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth

I've been walking my talk ever since I left my job. Haven't been punched yet. If you get in my face, expect me to tell you exactly what I think about it. Loudly.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I'm sure getting paid more to stay home rather than going to work has something to do with it...human nature.

That ceased to be a thing a couple of months ago. People on unemployment only get 26 weekly checks for 75% of the average annual wage over the past 18 months divided by 52, up to the state maximum. In Florida, the state maximum is $275/week.

That means if you were earning $600/week, which is a perfectly reasonable living wage in Florida that allows you to live with a working spouse and save for your future, and you become unemployed, the MOST you can get is $275/week.

[Brondrisek]

Thank you for posting. I’ve been in the service industry and treat those service people that I deal with, respectfully.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I am a male. I tend to get ornery when I am hungry. I found out my patience level severely decreases when I have to wait an hour and a half after I have ordered to receive my plate. So now, I just don’t go to restaurants and eat at home. I have found that I also save a lot of money. I also get to tip myself 25%.

You can also accept that there'll be a long wait, and get there extra early knowing that by the time you're served, you'll be hungry enough to eat.

You can also order in advance, and then show up 20 minutes before you expect to be served.

[Carla B]

We went to Burger King for a fast-food lunch fix Sunday before last. The drive-through lane was open but the dining room was locked. Another customer walked up to enter. And then a voice from inside said, "There are only two of us working here right now and the dining room is closed. We plan to reopen at 4 pm."

We all said "OK, thank you" and walked away, and the other man, shaking his head, said, "I'm sure glad I came up in the era when I did."

In other words, normal routines are off the rails, so is BEHAVIOR, like when the woman threw her hamburger at an employee at that same BK recently. Now is the time to try for civility, not boorishness, and maybe someday we'll get through this.

[graciegirl]

We went to Burger King for a fast-food lunch fix Sunday before last. The drive-through lane was open but the dining room was locked. Another customer walked up to enter. And then a voice from inside said, "There are only two of us working here right now and the dining room is closed. We plan to reopen at 4 pm."

We all said "OK, thank you" and walked away, and the other man, shaking his head, said, "I'm sure glad I came up in the era when I did."

In other words, normal routines are off the rails, so is BEHAVIOR, like when the woman threw her hamburger at an employee at that same BK recently. Now is the time to try for civility, not boorishness, and maybe someday we'll get through this.

I agree.

We have so many things to reflect on these days.

Today, I even thought of that old story and wondered, which is worse, the lady or the tiger?

[Crazyladycruz]

Then why should they treat someone who smokes?
Why treat someone who was drunk and got into an accident?
Or treat someone who was speeding and crashed….

[Nick B]

I have antibodies and according to Israeli study 13x the fighting power of the “vaccine “ so why should I get it …. To make you happy ? What crap….,
So that's the study you believe because it fits your views?

[PugMom]

That is not what she was saying.
She's the one tired of taking the crap. She's not an instigator, she's not walking around being miserable and ready to pounce. She's tired of people throwing crap at her and having to shut up and take it....now if someone throws she has the confidence and ability to respond back, and not necessarily nasty, just standing up to the crap the other miserable xxxxx is throwing. There is a difference.

:bigbow:

[giorgio1948]

God bless the local Mom & Pop family owned businesses that they have family to pitch in ~

[PugMom]

Have you ever considered your failure to protect yourself and more importantly others, through vaccination, abusive to those unsuspecting people you come in contact with

have you ever considered protecting yourself & not controlling the actions of others?

[jimjamuser]

Yes, I have noticed that about people as they age or incompetence and quality goes down hill, and I call it "the rat syndrome", because their is no benefit in being nice anymore, its all for oneself in the rat race.

Lets just say i was like that over the weekend, and my wife was not happy with me, as it wasn't helpful when someone was trying to help me. . . of course I was made at the machine being programmed to go slower than I was.
With respect to "all for oneself in the rat race"......I have a theory about the timing of when that started in the US. I believe that it has to with beginning in about 1989 with the release of the movie "Wall Street". People remember actor Michael Douglas saying, "Greed is Good"! I believe that caused many college students to divert INTO business and finance FROM engineering, science, humanities and etc. Wall Street executives and corporate CEOs like Jack Welsh, for example, commanded large salaries. Competition for a Wall Street positions like at Goldman Saks became fierce and candidates felt they had to be "tough" and "ruthless". That kind of attitude of "snarkiness and sarcasm" was at a peak from 1990 until about 2005. It started to level off with the next generation having more moderate and somewhat more considerate values.

Now the "greed is good" generation has retired, died, or is currently retiring. For many of that generation, their "pushy snark" has turned into arguments with restaurant workers and physical fights on airline flight attendants. Of course, Covid has JACKED-UP the emotions - emotions are RAW and on display more than pre CV. Also, of course, there are regional differences between Eastern and Ca. large city dwellers being more pugnacious than their small city, rural midwestern brothers and sisters.

Summary........retail workers are today quitting because they have generational differences in attitudes compared with the INCREASED (due to CV) ABRASIVENESS of the RETIRED generation. Many of the current workers (age 20 to 30) are very caring, wonderful, and people-loving young men and women. The restaurant business today (after CV) may be too "rough and tumble" for most of them. Many may end up in teaching, social work, or other humanitarian occupations.

[jimjamuser]

Just as there are plenty of places that don't understand the worth of an employee, there are also plenty of places that do treat workers with respect give them Fair wages and understand the value of a human body
I would be interested to know what are the percentages associated with EACH one of those workplaces that were mentioned. I doubt that they are equal.

[Number 10 GI]

I didn't quit my job at Publix because of angry customers. Been in retail too long to let them get the best of me. Ugly is ugly whether there's a pandemic or not.

But it's definitely an upside to not having to work anymore. I can now stand up to ANYONE throwing that kind of abuse at me, without worrying about losing my job. You have a problem with me wearing a mask? Tough. You have a problem with me telling you to back the heck up if you're getting too close? Good luck with getting me to shut up about it. It'll just make me louder now. I never liked people breathing down my neck before the pandemic, you bet your sweet bippy I won't stand for it now.

You don't like me giving you dirty looks when you cough in the store, and don't cover your mouth? Well then next time, cover your damned mouth.

And yes I will be vocal about it now. Because I'm no longer being paid to care what anyone else thinks.

Adding - and if I'm in line and the person in front of me is abusing the cashier, calling them stupid just because they're trying to do their job - you better believe I'll be coming to that cashier's defense.

Be very careful on what and how you say something to a complete stranger. They may be off their meds that day and YOU might need meds afterwards. There are some crazy people in this world.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Summary........retail workers are today quitting because they have generational differences in attitudes compared with the INCREASED (due to CV) ABRASIVENESS of the RETIRED generation. Many of the current workers (age 20 to 30) are very caring, wonderful, and people-loving young men and women. The restaurant business today (after CV) may be too "rough and tumble" for most of them. Many may end up in teaching, social work, or other humanitarian occupations.

My daughter quit the restaurant business because of crappy mgmt at a high end restaurant, and continued in retail with good mgmt. But she also have had it with people who don't respect rules set by the owner for acceptable behavior. Most restaurant owners and managers just don't have the skills to manage the transient, unskilled and independent workers as well on the thinnest of margins. There are many restaurant workers who are biding their time while looking for acting and higher paying gigs as well. So my theory is that most of them got jobs in better working conditions, and once a restaurant worker, not always a restaurant worker. . . though some simplifying assumptions just assume same job no matter what.

So with a movement into better retail jobs, that leaves the restaurant hiring pool to be much less skilled, and much more transient, and thinner. My wife's niece failed to get accepted for a career education program she wanted, so she went back to restaurant for the moment. Doesn't want to be there, but has to work.

And as far as customer rudeness goes, alot of it are the expectations built up, with the customer thinking and expecting to be right, or catered to, or looking to get a perceived deal. . . In the world of consumerism, the customer belief is "Everyone should be treated equal, but I want to be treated special!" think about it, and reflect on your own experiences about how you feel when you don't get the speedy service today what you got yesterday as far as service. . . and not being retired meaning you have to get to your employer for work.

[jimjamuser]

I agree, "hospital and medical professionals" should not have to treat sick or injured people...............:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Strangely, that made me TRY to think of a way that medical personnel could treat the UNvaccinated patients WITHOUT exposing themselves to the CV disease - the answer is they would have to breathe SEPERATE AIR! So, the medical people ALL would have to be wearing FULL HAZMAT suits and have air tanks - that would make tasks like surgery very impossible. Or science has to develop and engineer medical personnel controlled or A.I. self-controlled robots doing the work of Doctors and Nurses. Oh well, that's just Science Fiction............for now

[Number 10 GI]

If rudeness to employees by patrons wasn't tolerated by management you would see a significant decrease in bad behavior. No company is going to go out of business if they tell jerks to leave the premises. In fact as a customer I will be more supportive of a business if they do kick out jerks so I don't have to listen to their idiocy.
If a business allows jerks to disrupt my dining experience I won't be back. We were at a national steakhouse chain restaurant where there was a group of 5 boys between 9 and 11 or so and 4 adults. The brats were running around the tables yelling and playing tag. I called for the manager and all she couldn't do anything but offer to let us eat free. I asked her who wants to eat a meal and have to put up with that garbage even if the meal if free. She didn't have an answer. I wrote the CEO of the corporation explaining what happened. I'll give him credit, he did return my letter and apologized but said he couldn't change the policy of the restaurant on obnoxious customers. He gave us $60 in vouchers for the restaurant, they went into the trash and we never went back, and I badmouthed them to everyone I knew.
Watch some UTube videos, it isn't just older people being jerks, it is all age groups.

[jimjamuser]

The point of the OP is not that workers aren't being treated fairly by employers. It's that they're no longer being treated fairly by customers.

You can pay me $20/hour for a cashier job at the supermarket, with full medical benefits and yearly dues at the local gym, company picnic, and monthly rewards. It won't make the job any easier to handle if the customers are abusive.

That's why people are leaving in droves. Customers are angrier than usual, they're expressing their anger more than usual, and the cashiers and other "front end" people have had it.
Retail workers and other workers do NOT just work for wages. Some like to leave the house and socialize and ALSO get paid for it. Humans are social animals - they like to have a tribe. That is why so many retired TV Landers play softball - they want to socialize in an organized, already set up manner and a TEAM gives them that. As does exercise clubs, social clubs, card clubs, bird watching and etc.

Many retail workers are inherently friendly. At least they start out that way. Generically, grumpy old men (and some women) can have their friendliness worn away over the years. Low wages that increase slower than the consumer price index (CPI) are also a factor that FORCES them out. No one stays there long enough to form lasting friends and teamwork. Part of the military success with retention is trying to build up teamwork and promising step-by-step promotion based on MERIT!

[jimjamuser]

Then why should they treat someone who smokes?
Why treat someone who was drunk and got into an accident?
Or treat someone who was speeding and crashed….
Well maybe, because a normal patient's smoker-breath might STANK, but a CV patient's breath might KILL a hospital worker - inconvenience versus death - NOT a difficult choice.

[jimjamuser]

have you ever considered protecting yourself & not controlling the actions of others?
One can ONLY protect themselves by HOPING that some sensible federal government, state, or agency MANDATES protection for everyone. The individual can not protect themselves against an airborne Virus without having a separate air supply. Or moving to Canada.

[DaleDivine]

:popcorn::popcorn:

[stanley]

The point of the OP is not that workers aren't being treated fairly by employers. It's that they're no longer being treated fairly by customers.

You can pay me $20/hour for a cashier job at the supermarket, with full medical benefits and yearly dues at the local gym, company picnic, and monthly rewards. It won't make the job any easier to handle if the customers are abusive.

That's why people are leaving in droves. Customers are angrier than usual, they're expressing their anger more than usual, and the cashiers and other "front end" people have had it.

Try working on a golf course.

[Luggage]

It's not hard to find the ratio, just look at closed businesses versus open businesses. As an example breakfast station and Perkins in Leesburg are both busy and I've had excellent service from waitstaff that have been there for years. In fact at Perkins there is one waitress working there 20 plus years that I have been served for 20 plus years. Go right down the road to Burger King and you'll find that it's closed. I've also gone there for many years and I've noticed workers stay in average of 4 weeks.

[Luggage]

If you want your favorite restaurant to stay open and have wait staff, you can do your part by giving them a good tip and saying thank you back at them . When you go to Publix or Walmart you can also say thank you . far too people do that

[merrymini]

Hospital and Medical professionals should Not have to treat non- vaccinated people! Putting their lives on the line on a daily basis is why there is a mass exodus of Nurses....This pandemic is a Global Intelligence test that China has created!

Sick people go to the hospital to get treated regardless of who they are and what they have. Medical personnel treated covid patients for a year BEFORE vaccines were available and now they want to FIRE THEM FOR NOT BEING VACCINATED? How stupid is that?

[Girlcopper]

Hospital and Medical professionals should Not have to treat non- vaccinated people! Putting their lives on the line on a daily basis is why there is a mass exodus of Nurses....This pandemic is a Global Intelligence test that China has created!
I only agree with the first sentence barring any logical medical reason

[merrymini]

Well maybe, because a normal patient's smoker-breath might STANK, but a CV patient's breath might KILL a hospital worker - inconvenience versus death - NOT a difficult choice.

98.6 percent of covid patients get through without dying.

[merrymini]

Strangely, that made me TRY to think of a way that medical personnel could treat the UNvaccinated patients WITHOUT exposing themselves to the CV disease - the answer is they would have to breathe SEPERATE AIR! So, the medical people ALL would have to be wearing FULL HAZMAT suits and have air tanks - that would make tasks like surgery very impossible. Or science has to develop and engineer medical personnel controlled or A.I. self-controlled robots doing the work of Doctors and Nurses. Oh well, that's just Science Fiction............for now

Sick or injured people should go elsewhere!

[donfey]

Hospital and Medical professionals should Not have to treat non- vaccinated people! Putting their lives on the line on a daily basis is why there is a mass exodus of Nurses....This pandemic is a Global Intelligence test that China has created!

Uh,, if the shots are effective, what's the worry? If they're NOT effective, why (try to) mandate them?

[Larchap49]

Hospital and Medical professionals should Not have to treat non- vaccinated people! Putting their lives on the line on a daily basis is why there is a mass exodus of Nurses....This pandemic is a Global Intelligence test that China has created!

What flavor was the koolade?

[b0bd0herty]

I understand your opinion but we do not live in a free country. There are plenty of rules and regulations from seat belts to no smoking to kids getting vaccinated if they want to go to public schools, so why are you so upset that everyone has to wear a mask?

I believe you meant to say, "We do not live in an unregulated by laws country." Last I checked, this is a free country but, everyone has responsibilities and unless their actions are against the law, they are free to do as they please.

[Larchap49]

One can ONLY protect themselves by HOPING that some sensible federal government, state, or agency MANDATES protection for everyone. The individual can not protect themselves against an airborne Virus without having a separate air supply. Or moving to Canada.

There are plenty of state controlled countries you could move to. Why not try Cuba or Australia. Not happy with American freedoms? LEAVE

[Bay Kid]

We have created a new generation of how to survive without working.

[daniel200]

The Economics of Rudeness - Mauldin Economics (https://www.mauldineconomics.com/connecting-the-dots/the-economics-of-rudeness)

I am sure that there are a number of them amongst the posters here. . . has to be given their points and replies here.

As I see it, the “economics of rudeness” is just the typical diversion from the fundamental problem. The problem as stated is the difficulty to find enough employees.

Today’s restaurant chains expect:
1)employees to accept less than 30 hours per week so as to avoid paying benefits
2) employees to accept weekly planned or unplanned shift rotation.

Want more employees? Provide more “40 hour per week” jobs with benefits and limit shift rotation so employees don’t have to fear that their private life routines will not be upset by constant shift changes.

The “covid” stress is real. But that is just icing on the cake for someone working 25 hours per week at $12 per hour with no benefits and constant shift rotation (making a 2nd job impossible to plan). Rude people is just extra “crap” on top of an already “crappy” work experience. It doesn’t have to be that way. It didn’t used to be.

[richs631]

I just don’t see the crazy rude people are talking about. Could everyone be exaggerating a bit. Once in a while yes, but it’s not what everyone is making it out to be.

[Byte1]

Sick or injured people should go elsewhere!

Yes, sick or injured people should not be treated by medical personnel. I mean, after all they aren't there to assist the sick and injured. They are there for......???? ....ah..welllll.....

[Byte1]

I suppose that with some folks warped idea of non-treatment for covid patients, they would also think that criminals brought in by law enforcement should not get treated. How about illegal aliens? Should they be treated? How about drug overdose patients?
Give me a break!

[jimjamuser]

98.6 percent of covid patients get through without dying.
Nationwide and in Florida 90% plus of hospitalized CV patients ARE UNvaccinated.

[jimjamuser]

Uh,, if the shots are effective, what's the worry? If they're NOT effective, why (try to) mandate them?
90% plus of CV hospitalizations are the UNvaccinated!

[Malsua]

INCREASED (due to CV) ABRASIVENESS of the RETIRED generation. Many of the current workers (age 20 to 30) are very caring, wonderful, and people-loving young men and women. The restaurant business today (after CV) may be too "rough and tumble" for most of them. Many may end up in teaching, social work, or other humanitarian occupations.

You've apparently never watched World Star, Tik Tok or Youtube. Every one of these abrasive characters is under 30 years old, most well under that.

It's not nasty ole retirees barking at waitresses either.

[Byte1]

Uh,, if the shots are effective, what's the worry? If they're NOT effective, why (try to) mandate them?

EXACTLY!!! :bigbow: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

[jimjamuser]

EXACTLY!!! :bigbow: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
There are just a few "little baby", tiny reasons........we all know that life changes. The Virus is life that is trying to reproduce. The Virus gets STRONGER (Variants) as it gets to more and more hosts. Humans may try to pretend that that is NOT happening, but it is. Our current main weapon is the vaccine - which worked well against the Alpha variant - now, NOT as well against the Delta variant. No one truly knows the future - CV could just magically disappear. But, the historic trend shows that CV is increasingly MORE contagious and MORE deadly. I hope not.......but we may not have to worry about labor shortages in restaurants because, although unlikely, there is a slim possibility that there will be few open restaurants and few humans left to eat in them. There is NO guarantee that humans beat the virus instead of the opposite. WE all have taken a very light and limited attitude toward fighting the Virus. Many children are also dying. Schools are disrupted - families have lost loved ones. So, in conclusion, is it any wonder why Restaurants have labor shortages? The US MAY (?) have much bigger WORRIES.

[coffeebean]

most places that have a worker shortage had it before Covid they don’t pay very much no benefits and treat employees like crap

I'm not so sure about that. There are a number of fast food restaurants that are not open for inside dining. None of those restaurants were closed inside prior to the pandemic. I am seeing it more and more and I thought it was going to get better once all that "free" money from the government was stopped. Not so.

[JSR22]

I'm not so sure about that. There are a number of fast food restaurants that are not open for inside dining. None of those restaurants were closed inside prior to the pandemic. I am seeing it more and more and I thought it was going to get better once all that "free" money from the government was stopped. Not so.

I eat out frequently. I have not seen shortage of help at BlueFin, ChopHouse, Havana, Lopez, Palmer or Prima. The workers got smart to work in the better restaurants and receive higher pay and better tips.

[coffeebean]

So that's the study you believe because it fits your views?

I guess it depends on the study or data that one chooses to believe. I have read several articles that state the mRNA vaccines offer more protection than natural infection. I believe the vaccines are more protective than natural infection.

The CDC says so. I believe the CDC........
New CDC Study: Vaccination Offers Higher Protection than Previous COVID-19 Infection | CDC Online Newsroom | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-protection.html)

[Bucco]

We have created a new generation of how to survive without working.

Very interesting...

U.S. labor market powers ahead with strong job gains, lower unemployment rate | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-job-growth-solid-july-unemployment-rate-falls-54-2021-08-06/)

Somebody is giving, and obviously getting bad information. Lots of jobs available.

Some, in our society, depend on spreading disinformation, which is close to the most un patriotic thing a person can do.

[Bucco]

I guess it depends on the study or data that one chooses to believe. I have read several articles that state the mRNA vaccines offer more protection than natural infection. I believe the vaccines are more protective than natural infection.

The CDC says so. I believe the CDC........
New CDC Study: Vaccination Offers Higher Protection than Previous COVID-19 Infection | CDC Online Newsroom | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-protection.html)

As the person who replied to you said

“
Originally Posted by Nick B View Post
So that's the study you believe because it fits your views”

These very un-American posters driven by somebody or something are living in a world of fantasy that fits their views as established by someone or someone opposed to truth.

[Malsua]

I guess it depends on the study or data that one chooses to believe. I have read several articles that state the mRNA vaccines offer more protection than natural infection. I believe the vaccines are more protective than natural infection.

The CDC says so. I believe the CDC........
New CDC Study: Vaccination Offers Higher Protection than Previous COVID-19 Infection | CDC Online Newsroom | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-protection.html)

No, that's not what that study says at all.

That study says that previous infection VS Previous infection + Vaccination and the latter is better at preventing re-infection.

What they did not compare is Vaccinations VS Pre-infection. That is what the Israeli study showed and it is pretty clear that natural infection produces a more robust immune reaction vs vaccination alone.

>>>These findings suggest that among persons with previous SARS-CoV-2 infection, full vaccination provides additional protection against reinfection.


If you think the headline from the CDC was intentionally disingenuous, you wouldn't be alone. It was designed to get people to come to the same conclusion you did. That vaccination is better than natural infection, but the study didn't address that _AT ALL_.

Don't get me wrong here, I'm vaxxed and all for it. I'm also pro-data and against presenting the data in such a way that people come to incorrect conclusions.

[Vermilion Villager]

Well shiver me timbers and blow me down Popeye! And don't forget to eat your spinach! Bluto could be just around the corner!
:boxing2::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[LianneMigiano]

You are NOT free to make me sick with COVID - just because you choose NOT to wear a mask!

[Aloha1]

most places that have a worker shortage had it before Covid they don’t pay very much no benefits and treat employees like crap

And you know this how??

[MDLNB]

You are NOT free to make me sick with COVID - just because you choose NOT to wear a mask!


So, you are saying that anyone without a mask is infected? I have no intention of wearing a mask UNLESS the store says they will not allow me access, AND I really need to shop there. If I have Covid, and I have symptoms I will not go out in public, period. If I have Covid and have no symptoms, then....well I guess I won't know I have it. Either way, if you have your vaccination you have no worry. If you have no confidence in the vaccination, then why do you insist everyone else get it? At any rate, whether you have been vaxxed or not, and you feel you deserve protection, then I advise you to wear your placebo mask, but really you should stay home.

[Bill14564]

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[Babubhat]

This thread needs to die already