Used needles found in mulberry rec.center

[kcostello]

For the 3rd time I have found used hypodermic needles found in this area. 2 with caps on them 1 without . I brought one to the rec. office yesterday and asked if there was a container to dispose of the needle. Her response was they do not and it was not their problem. Are you serious ! The safety and security of the people here is absolutely their problem. What do we have to do wait for someone to get stuck by one of these needles or heaven forbid a grand child gets a hold of it. There is a simple solution to this problem, install sharp container somewhere behind the desk or near the bathrooms and have the local fire department change them out properly and securely. To have the staff at mulberry say it is not their problem and that I should take the needle home with me because they are not a hospital is un acceptable period ! This now makes me think that they have no training in these situations at all. Do they have training in blood borne pathogens incase there is a person that falls or any other osha training ? This problem needs to be addressed ASAP . Who do I talk to about this problem? Any help is appreciated, thank you

[Bogie Shooter]

For the 3rd time I have found used hypodermic needles found in this area. 2 with caps on them 1 without . I brought one to the rec. office yesterday and asked if there was a container to dispose of the needle. Her response was they do not and it was not their problem. Are you serious ! The safety and security of the people here is absolutely their problem. What do we have to do wait for someone to get stuck by one of these needles or heaven forbid a grand child gets a hold of it. There is a simple solution to this problem, install sharp container somewhere behind the desk or near the bathrooms and have the local fire department change them out properly and securely. To have the staff at mulberry say it is not their problem and that I should take the needle home with me because they are not a hospital is un acceptable period ! This now makes me think that they have no training in these situations at all. Do they have training in blood borne pathogens incase there is a person that falls or any other osha training ? This problem needs to be addressed ASAP . Who do I talk to about this problem? Any help is appreciated, thank you

Start here.

John B. Rohan, Director of Recreation

352-674-1800
John.Rohan@Districtgov.org

[coffeebean]

For the 3rd time I have found used hypodermic needles found in this area. 2 with caps on them 1 without . I brought one to the rec. office yesterday and asked if there was a container to dispose of the needle. Her response was they do not and it was not their problem. Are you serious ! The safety and security of the people here is absolutely their problem. What do we have to do wait for someone to get stuck by one of these needles or heaven forbid a grand child gets a hold of it. There is a simple solution to this problem, install sharp container somewhere behind the desk or near the bathrooms and have the local fire department change them out properly and securely. To have the staff at mulberry say it is not their problem and that I should take the needle home with me because they are not a hospital is un acceptable period ! This now makes me think that they have no training in these situations at all. Do they have training in blood borne pathogens incase there is a person that falls or any other osha training ? This problem needs to be addressed ASAP . Who do I talk to about this problem? Any help is appreciated, thank you

Did she really tell you to bring the needle home with you? Did she REALLY say that? Was she aware that was not your needle and that you found the needle? You are just joshing with us. Right? Please say she did NOT say that.

[Topspinmo]

The sky is not falling. Where did you find the needles? If they was in the trash it is mulberry problem cause they have contractors empty the trash? I also think if it was in lawn area, it is mulberries problem do to mowing? I never seen needles, but lots of beer and whiskey bottles. Was it along CR 42?

[blueash]

While this may be an issue, it is totally not surprising that the Villages declines to have Sharps containers. There are lots of rule about them (http://www.floridahealth.gov/environmental-health/biomedical-waste/index.html) and they must be disposed of as regulated medical waste, not thrown in the regular trash. All their staff and cleaning companies would need to be trained in biohazards with the required course repeated annually and all be vaccinated against Hep B. A company that handles medical waste would have to be hired to pick up the sharps container.

[MDLNB]

Oh my gosh! How dare them!!! They would not take your dirty old needle from you? How much do you pay them to dispose of used needles? I would really be surprised if it is in their job description to handle contaminated needles that folks bring in to them. If folks are going to pick them up, they should also dispose of them rather than ask others to do it for them. Kind of like getting all bent out of shape when you find a dog turd, so you pick it up and take it to the reccenter and ask the employee to take care of it. Not their job.

[Number 10 GI]

The people you should be upset with are the ones that leave those syringes laying around after they use them.

[RICH1]

Put your head in the Sand ! The Heroin use here is out of control... pretend it's a Diabetic.... Time to call the Police , and let Drug enforcement stop this

[kcostello]

Did she really tell you to bring the needle home with you? Did she REALLY say that? Was she aware that was not your needle and that you found the needle? You are just joshing with us. Right? Please say she did NOT say that.

God’s honest truth.

[kcostello]

Are you serious ? Did the right thing and asked if there was a place to dispose of the needle. Some people like you have no idea

[kcostello]

The fire department is already trained and handle medical waste. No reason they could not check the sharps container once a week to dispose of it seeing they already do it for their needles

[kcostello]

They where all on the ground.

[asianthree]

Put your head in the Sand ! The Heroin use here is out of control... pretend it's a Diabetic.... Time to call the Police , and let Drug enforcement stop this

:1rotfl: Call sheriff over a used needed, how exactly are they going to stop something that already happened.

However since you have personal experience on “out of control drug use” are they your friends, or do you belong to the task force. Finding a vein on an elderly person is just hard to do. I would think weed or coke, would be a better choice. So can you share where the out of control drug use is in TV?

[Bogie Shooter]

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[Kenswing]

Why am I always suspicious when someone's first post is about stuff like this. Found needles on three different occasions to boot..

[DAVES]

:1rotfl: Call sheriff over a used needed, how exactly are they going to stop something that already happened.

However since you have personal experience on “out of control drug use” are they your friends, or do you belong to the task force. Finding a vein on an elderly person is just hard to do. I would think weed or coke, would be a better choice. So can you share where the out of control drug use is in TV?

There is never a shortage of uninformed hysteria. I would think it would be easy to determine what was in the syringe to narrow down the source. As far as weed, marijuana, I have a nose like a dog. Someone smoking a joint in a car and I know it.
I don't know why but it is far more rare in Florida that it was in New York. NO, I've not smoked in well over 40 years. Current prescriptions for marijuana sort of reminds me of history-opiates, cocaine etc. Was not that long ago that you could buy over the counter
cough medicine with cocaine in it. Like in the 1960's.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Pretty sure this is just a griefer post. First post, and all 5 posts, about this one topic, after just creating an account this week. Nah.

[kcostello]

Pretty sure this is just a griefer post. First post, and all 5 posts, about this one topic, after just creating an account this week. Nah.

This happened on Friday in the morning when I walked into the front desk as to what the policy was to dispose of the needle. Don’t believe me, I will be happy to address any questions in person at the mulberry rec. center with the 2 ladies I spoke with, just show up in person.

[graciegirl]

Why am I always suspicious when someone's first post is about stuff like this. Found needles on three different occasions to boot..

I could not say it better.

I think it was highly unlikely that any needles were found.

I think it is also highly unlikely that hard drugs are used a lot around here.

I think a lot of people drink too much and I wish they wouldn't drive afterward.

I do not believe the OP. That is my reaction. Lived here for more than a dozen years and feel I have heard everything. This was a doozy.

[graciegirl]

I could not say it better.

I think it was highly unlikely that any needles were found.

I think it is also highly unlikely that hard drugs are used a lot around here.

I think a lot of people drink too much and I wish they wouldn't drive afterward.

I do not believe the OP. That is my reaction. Lived here for more than a dozen years and feel I have heard everything. This was a doozy.

Tomorrow I will call this number and ask and if I am wrong I will apologize.

Mulberry Grove Regional Center SP 259-6040

[golfing eagles]

While this may be an issue, it is totally not surprising that the Villages declines to have Sharps containers. There are lots of rule about them (http://www.floridahealth.gov/environmental-health/biomedical-waste/index.html) and they must be disposed of as regulated medical waste, not thrown in the regular trash. All their staff and cleaning companies would need to be trained in biohazards with the required course repeated annually and all be vaccinated against Hep B. A company that handles medical waste would have to be hired to pick up the sharps container.

100% correct and I hope the OP reads that post 100 times.

The OP stated "I brought one to the rec. office yesterday and asked if there was a container to dispose of the needle. Her response was they do not and it was not their problem. Are you serious ! The safety and security of the people here is absolutely their problem."

No, it is absolutely NOT their problem. It is a RECREATION CENTER, not a HAZARDOUS MEDICAL WASTE CENTER.

Everything blue just posted is correct, and more

The problem was the careless pig that left hypodermic needles on the ground---if there were any in the first place, since you must be the most unlucky person in the Villages to find needles multiple times.

[Gpsma]

Just more Villages Bovine Scatology.

[I'm Popeye!]

Tomorrow I will call this number and ask and if I am wrong I will apologize.

Mulberry Grove Regional Center SP 259-6040

I have that feeling you are going to apologize, I guess you can say, Popeye believe in the OP story.

[EdFNJ]

Pretty sure this is just a griefer post. First post, and all 5 posts, about this one topic, after just creating an account this week. Nah. Ratings week. ;)

[Koapaka]

There is never a shortage of uninformed hysteria. I would think it would be easy to determine what was in the syringe to narrow down the source. As far as weed, marijuana, I have a nose like a dog. Someone smoking a joint in a car and I know it.
I don't know why but it is far more rare in Florida that it was in New York. NO, I've not smoked in well over 40 years. Current prescriptions for marijuana sort of reminds me of history-opiates, cocaine etc. Was not that long ago that you could buy over the counter
cough medicine with cocaine in it. Like in the 1960's.

Actually legal to this day in some countries....example....BRON is sold to this day in Japan for coughs. You WILL be arrested tho coming thru customs in Japan if you happen to have a "Vicks Inhaler" in your possession....those are banned there.


There is almost nothing like cough syrup in Japan, though. There is something called BRON, which has become notorious on Internet forums for destroying lives. In an extreme example of one set of standards for foreign products and one set for domestic, BRON is a nasty concoction of codeine and ephedrine.
On Being Sick in Japan | This Japanese Life.
.orthisjapaneselifeg/0/being-sick-in-japan/2012/10/1

[banjobob]

A big reaction over not much of an issue, put it in the trash and move on. The country is full of addicts and as the open borders remain super highways for drug smugglers to enter the country probably see a lot more .

[sam&rog]

The Sherriff and fire department are just on the other side of the roundabout.
Why not take it there?

[bowlingal]

call or e-mail John Rohan director of the recreation department. I saw first hand drug use in the parking lot of the rec center I used to work at. They would meet in their cars ( young people) and exchange money and drugs. I notified my rec center supervisor about the issue.

[Luggage]

First off you shouldn't be picking it up yourself. Secondly you can always call the police when anything suspicious or dangerous is around. Thirdly has a last resort you should call your Sumter county health department and I'm sure they would be able to dispose of it safely for you if you're so worried. If your object is to get villages to have sharp containers and say so, then write letters to your county commissioners demanding a law

[Girlcopper]

While this may be an issue, it is totally not surprising that the Villages declines to have Sharps containers. There are lots of rule about them (http://www.floridahealth.gov/environmental-health/biomedical-waste/index.html) and they must be disposed of as regulated medical waste, not thrown in the regular trash. All their staff and cleaning companies would need to be trained in biohazards with the required course repeated annually and all be vaccinated against Hep B. A company that handles medical waste would have to be hired to pick up the sharps container.
Youre exactly right. Its not just a matter of having containers like the OP thinks. If youre that concerned and this is allegedly done on a regular basis and you are so concerned then carry your own container. I personally wouldnt touch any used needles. Thats nuts to just pick them up

[Kathryn Putt]

If they are not diabetic needles, the police need to be involved.

[Dana1963]

For the 3rd time I have found used hypodermic needles found in this area. 2 with caps on them 1 without . I brought one to the rec. office yesterday and asked if there was a container to dispose of the needle. Her response was they do not and it was not their problem. Are you serious ! The safety and security of the people here is absolutely their problem. What do we have to do wait for someone to get stuck by one of these needles or heaven forbid a grand child gets a hold of it. There is a simple solution to this problem, install sharp container somewhere behind the desk or near the bathrooms and have the local fire department change them out properly and securely. To have the staff at mulberry say it is not their problem and that I should take the needle home with me because they are not a hospital is un acceptable period ! This now makes me think that they have no training in these situations at all. Do they have training in blood borne pathogens incase there is a person that falls or any other osha training ? This problem needs to be addressed ASAP . Who do I talk to about this problem? Any help is appreciated, thank you
Now we know why Mulberry Rec Center is so popular

[Dzurinko]

I agree with Blueash. I wouldn’t expect a Rec Ctr to get into the business of accepting “sharps”. There is a whole program for properly disposing if sharps which involves some pretty involved training for all concerned and a complete specific process that must be followed and tracked. Medical facilities (hospital, urgent care, etc) are already set up to do that. This is not something Rec Centers would or should be involved in. If you found an injured animal you wouldn’t expect a Rec Center to handle it. You would take it to a rehab center where they are set up to help injured animals. So why wouldn’t you take a needle you found to a medical facility where THEY are set up to do that???

[Bay Kid]

The sky is not falling. Where did you find the needles? If they was in the trash it is mulberry problem cause they have contractors empty the trash? I also think if it was in lawn area, it is mulberries problem do to mowing? I never seen needles, but lots of beer and whiskey bottles. Was it along CR 42?

Workers will put a beer can in a soda cup and drink thru a straw.

[Dantes]

No police remember defund it’s better that way

[Bogie Shooter]

No police remember defund it’s better that way

:what:

[Tkoehrin]

Your right.

[coffeebean]

A big reaction over not much of an issue, put it in the trash and move on. The country is full of addicts and as the open borders remain super highways for drug smugglers to enter the country probably see a lot more .

Put it in the trash? I’m sure you could not possibly mean an uncapped needle.

[frank1975]

If they were found inside the rec center then yes it would be their problem. But outside even on the property isn't going to be their problem. Any homeless person could have done this 2am in the morning. Who knows where it came from. If you see them be a nice person and dispose of it. Then report it to the main rec center office. That's all you can do. If homeless people are hanging around at that rec center property, then that's something that can be addressed.

[graciegirl]

Tomorrow I will call this number and ask and if I am wrong I will apologize.

Mulberry Grove Regional Center SP 259-6040

I just called and the person who answered was a man. I read the post to him, and asked him if he had any knowledge of needles or people making inquiries about them and he said he did not. I asked him if he was the director of Mulberry and he said he was not. I told him I appreciated the people who worked in our rec centers and thanked him for his patience.

Perhaps one of you can reach a woman, since the OP said there were two there.

[frank1975]

Pick it up with gloves or a tissue. Dispose of it and move on. Or if you're going to leave it there then don't bother to report it. If you think TV is going to install boxes to dispose or a needle patrol your wasting your time.

[Marine1974]

While this may be an issue, it is totally not surprising that the Villages declines to have Sharps containers. There are lots of rule about them (http://www.floridahealth.gov/environmental-health/biomedical-waste/index.html) and they must be disposed of as regulated medical waste, not thrown in the regular trash. All their staff and cleaning companies would need to be trained in biohazards with the required course repeated annually and all be vaccinated against Hep B. A company that handles medical waste would have to be hired to pick up the sharps container.
Usually the sharps containers
come with a box you can mail the red plastic sharps container back to the company you purchased the kit from for proper disposal.
Nobody is hired to pick up
Biohazard clean up kits . All done by mail .
Classes on biohazard cleanup are usually an hour
and the salesperson usually will come to your place of business.

[graciegirl]

Usually the sharps containers
come with a box you can mail the red plastic sharps container back to the company you purchased the kit from for proper disposal.
Nobody is hired to pick up
Biohazard clean up kits . All done by mail .
Classes on biohazard cleanup are usually an hour
and the salesperson usually will come to your place of business.

If a person that we do not know reports an elephant with an unusually large belly in the Swimming pool at Laurel Manor, I do not think it is necessary to order a pregnancy test.

[Marine1974]

I agree with Blueash. I wouldn’t expect a Rec Ctr to get into the business of accepting “sharps”. There is a whole program for properly disposing if sharps which involves some pretty involved training for all concerned and a complete specific process that must be followed and tracked. Medical facilities (hospital, urgent care, etc) are already set up to do that. This is not something Rec Centers would or should be involved in. If you found an injured animal you wouldn’t expect a Rec Center to handle it. You would take it to a rehab center where they are set up to help injured animals. So why wouldn’t you take a needle you found to a medical facility where THEY are set up to do that???
It’s a law all recreation centers must have sharps disposal containers and training for the staff on procedures to properly handle
bio hazard . Train the trainer .

[Waltdisney4life]

The RA is not your personal slave! Quit acting entitled! You are not that important nor is your rant!!!

[Marine1974]

Pick it up with gloves or a tissue. Dispose of it and move on. Or if you're going to leave it there then don't bother to report it. If you think TV is going to install boxes to dispose or a needle patrol your wasting your time.
Dispose of it how , please explain how to best dispose of a hypodermic needle?

[I'm Popeye!]

I just called and the person who answered was a man. I read the post to him, and asked him if he had any knowledge of needles or people making inquiries about them and he said he did not.
. . . . . Was it this guy, the one you spoke with?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

It’s a law all recreation centers must have sharps disposal containers and training for the staff on procedures to properly handle
bio hazard . Train the trainer .

That is incorrect. I don't know where you even got that information from. There IS a sharps collection program for Sumter County, and the drop-off location is at the Sumter County Health Department, behind the fire station on 466 near Mariposa Way.

[MandoMan]

Oh my gosh! How dare them!!! They would not take your dirty old needle from you? How much do you pay them to dispose of used needles? I would really be surprised if it is in their job description to handle contaminated needles that folks bring in to them. If folks are going to pick them up, they should also dispose of them rather than ask others to do it for them. Kind of like getting all bent out of shape when you find a dog turd, so you pick it up and take it to the reccenter and ask the employee to take care of it. Not their job.

I do a lot of work with single-edged razor blades and box cutter blades, and I change them whenever they no longer cut cleanly. Even at that point, they are very sharp. I don’t want to just toss them in the trash. Instead, I wrap a few inches of duct tape around the blade, leaving half an inch of tape overlap near the cutting surfaces. Then I toss them. No accidental cuts. Works with needles, too.

[Bella6368]

For the 3rd time I have found used hypodermic needles found in this area. 2 with caps on them 1 without . I brought one to the rec. office yesterday and asked if there was a container to dispose of the needle. Her response was they do not and it was not their problem. Are you serious ! The safety and security of the people here is absolutely their problem. What do we have to do wait for someone to get stuck by one of these needles or heaven forbid a grand child gets a hold of it. There is a simple solution to this problem, install sharp container somewhere behind the desk or near the bathrooms and have the local fire department change them out properly and securely. To have the staff at mulberry say it is not their problem and that I should take the needle home with me because they are not a hospital is un acceptable period ! This now makes me think that they have no training in these situations at all. Do they have training in blood borne pathogens incase there is a person that falls or any other osha training ? This problem needs to be addressed ASAP . Who do I talk to about this problem? Any help is appreciated, thank you


I agree, very poor response they gave you, and yes it should be their problem. Ridiculous.

[Debset]

The Rec center gave you a terrible response and no help at all! That's the same with Community Watch. Thanks for trying to keep us safe!

[Bella6368]

Oh my gosh! How dare them!!! They would not take your dirty old needle from you? How much do you pay them to dispose of used needles? I would really be surprised if it is in their job description to handle contaminated needles that folks bring in to them. If folks are going to pick them up, they should also dispose of them rather than ask others to do it for them. Kind of like getting all bent out of shape when you find a dog turd, so you pick it up and take it to the reccenter and ask the employee to take care of it. Not their job.

Are you serious? The gentleman was simply trying to find out where he could take the needle to be disposed of properly. As I'm sure he was well aware obviously that you cant just throw it in the garbage. Guess you missed the whole point.

[Spalumbos62]

:1rotfl: Call sheriff over a used needed, how exactly are they going to stop something that already happened.

However since you have personal experience on “out of control drug use” are they your friends, or do you belong to the task force. Finding a vein on an elderly person is just hard to do. I would think weed or coke, would be a better choice. So can you share where the out of control drug use is in TV?


I guess I am the one with my head in the sand. I have seen used needles a few times....in a very urban center, never ever common to me at all. But first, needles outside of the rec center??? Doesn't make sense, not saying untrue, just...odd. my first thought was. Are there that many diabetics taking insulin at the rec center?? Also odd....Secondly, someone mentioned drug abuse?? I truly must have my head in the sand bc not in a million years would I expect drug use/abuse in TV, at their age. ??? Someone mentioned pot. Ok, I get that, especially since it can take the edge off of pain., but 80yr old heroin junkys....nauw.
Maybe they are all not dying of covid, maybe it's drug abuse?
Again, it's not sinking in for me.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Does anyone else find it interesting that this person has found needles 3 times and no one else on this thread posted finding any . JUST SAYING!!!

[Bella6368]

If they were found inside the rec center then yes it would be their problem. But outside even on the property isn't going to be their problem. Any homeless person could have done this 2am in the morning. Who knows where it came from. If you see them be a nice person and dispose of it. Then report it to the main rec center office. That's all you can do. If homeless people are hanging around at that rec center property, then that's something that can be addressed.

Homeless people hanging around a rec center in The Villages? If this is so, then for the money we pay to live in TV, then TV should become a "Gated Community", not just one that portrays the image that it is a gated community, because as we all know, all one has to do is press the button, and anybody can get in.

[Spalumbos62]

If a person that we do not know reports an elephant with an unusually large belly in the Swimming pool at Laurel Manor, I do not think it is necessary to order a pregnancy test.


I dont think this sarcasm is necessary, I think it's obvious that he saw what he saw, tried to deal with it, but was not successful...how is that funny? Or your right to make fun of? I think this is only stirring a pot.

[Spalumbos62]

The RA is not your personal slave! Quit acting entitled! You are not that important nor is your rant!!!

What??????

[Neils]

For the 3rd time I have found used hypodermic needles found in this area. 2 with caps on them 1 without . I brought one to the rec. office yesterday and asked if there was a container to dispose of the needle. Her response was they do not and it was not their problem. Are you serious ! The safety and security of the people here is absolutely their problem. What do we have to do wait for someone to get stuck by one of these needles or heaven forbid a grand child gets a hold of it. There is a simple solution to this problem, install sharp container somewhere behind the desk or near the bathrooms and have the local fire department change them out properly and securely. To have the staff at mulberry say it is not their problem and that I should take the needle home with me because they are not a hospital is un acceptable period ! This now makes me think that they have no training in these situations at all. Do they have training in blood borne pathogens incase there is a person that falls or any other osha training ? This problem needs to be addressed ASAP . Who do I talk to about this problem? Any help is appreciated, thank you

Suggest dropping it off at nearest hospital or medical office. No reason to make a needle into a crisis

[graciegirl]

I dont think this sarcasm is necessary, I think it's obvious that he saw what he saw, tried to deal with it, but was not successful...how is that funny? Or your right to make fun of? I think this is only stirring a pot.

You are right of course if this woman saw what she saw. I wish someone would call Mulberry or go over there and talk to the director. I am sure he/she will be aware if such a thing happened and then I will apologize. It just does not seem at all credible to me.

In your previous post I agreed with every word that was in essence saying what I said sarcastically. Sometimes sarcasm isn't meant to be funny-ha ha or fun of SOMEONE, but to underline a point.

[Rosebud1949]

For the 3rd time I have found used hypodermic needles found in this area. 2 with caps on them 1 without . I brought one to the rec. office yesterday and asked if there was a container to dispose of the needle. Her response was they do not and it was not their problem. Are you serious ! The safety and security of the people here is absolutely their problem. What do we have to do wait for someone to get stuck by one of these needles or heaven forbid a grand child gets a hold of it. There is a simple solution to this problem, install sharp container somewhere behind the desk or near the bathrooms and have the local fire department change them out properly and securely. To have the staff at mulberry say it is not their problem and that I should take the needle home with me because they are not a hospital is un acceptable period ! This now makes me think that they have no training in these situations at all. Do they have training in blood borne pathogens incase there is a person that falls or any other osha training ? This problem needs to be addressed ASAP . Who do I talk to about this problem? Any help is appreciated, thank you

This is not a new situation but important, and sorry but this is a standard reply from Rec Dept and The Villages. By all means write to John, and please post your reply here... ( if you get one from him)!!!!

[MDLNB]

Are you serious? The gentleman was simply trying to find out where he could take the needle to be disposed of properly. As I'm sure he was well aware obviously that you cant just throw it in the garbage. Guess you missed the whole point.


Sure I throw it in the garbage. They burn the garbage here. Whether or not it's proper, if you break the needle off and through them into the trash, they are hardly dangerous.

This is a big Nothing Burger. Probably a made up story anyway.

Obviously, folks here are over the Covid hysteria and NEED to find other ideas to incite panic and hysteria. And yes, I do know that there is a "proper" way to dispose of needles by the health care professionals. I also know that most folks do not carry around a disposal kit. Break the needle and throw it away. Dangerous? Not even as dangerous as throwing an old style can of soup lid and can in the trash.

Well, at least folks are getting out and about during this big pandemic scare.

[blueash]

I do a lot of work with single-edged razor blades and box cutter blades, and I change them whenever they no longer cut cleanly. Even at that point, they are very sharp. I don’t want to just toss them in the trash. Instead, I wrap a few inches of duct tape around the blade, leaving half an inch of tape overlap near the cutting surfaces. Then I toss them. No accidental cuts. Works with needles, too.

Perhaps you are unaware, but the term sharps container in medical speak does not mean disposal of any sharp material such as your razor blades in your home. It refers to materials that may be contaminated with blood or other infectious materials. It is perfectly legal for an individual to throw away a razor blade or a box cutter in their home trash without precautions or broken glass or blood stained clothing. Actually a person with diabetes can throw away their needles at home as well. It is discouraged and there are programs to make it easy to not do that, but it is not illegal AFAIK.
State by state laws as of 2019 are HERE
(http://legislativeanalysis.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Summary-of-State-Legislation-and-Regulaion-Related-to-Sharps-Disposal.pdf). I suspect if we were throwing our needles into the trash cans in the offices of the legislators in Tallahassee, we might see some rules in Florida (is that too political?)
It is human and decent to try to protect the workers who will collect your trash, as you do, but it is not required. It is regulated for businesses.

As to the post above mine

MDLNB

And yes, I do know that there is a "proper" way to dispose of needles by the health care professionals. I also know that most folks do not carry around a disposal kit. Break the needle and throw it away. Dangerous? Not even as dangerous as throwing an old style can of soup lid and can in the trash.

You're posting is garbage.

Just the simple choice to put quotes around "proper" tells the reader everything they need to know about your thinking process. There is in fact a proper was to dispose of needles, not a "proper" way. As to the thrust of your opinion. A soup can lid can cut the trash collector but it is not going to have blood from the user on it and not going to present a risk of contracting blood borne pathogens, unlike your needle which you believe you made safe. It is unclear how that person who is not carrying around a disposal kit just happens to be carrying around a needle cutter. The small needle cutters do NOT remove the needle, they just shorten it. There is a reason a sharps container has a biohazard label, and it is not because it might contain remnants of soup.

[Joe V.]

Homeless people hanging around a rec center in The Villages? If this is so, then for the money we pay to live in TV, then TV should become a "Gated Community", not just one that portrays the image that it is a gated community, because as we all know, all one has to do is press the button, and anybody can get in.

How you going to do this when the county owns the roads?

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Your explanation makes to much sense , so it will be deemed fake news

[Bogie Shooter]

Homeless people hanging around a rec center in The Villages? If this is so, then for the money we pay to live in TV, then TV should become a "Gated Community", not just one that portrays the image that it is a gated community, because as we all know, all one has to do is press the button, and anybody can get in.
I knew what the gates were there for……before I bought here…..did you?

[Bogie Shooter]

How you going to do this when the county owns the roads?

Your explanation makes to much sense , so it will be deemed fake news

Is this the explanation you are referring to?

[PugMom]

. . . . . Was it this guy, the one you spoke with?

:1rotfl::clap2::1rotfl: "no more MeTV for you!'

[PugMom]

next time, leave them where they are found & alert a rec center manager. the person who used them COULD be diabetic, & a simple explanation is prob around the corner. person dropped them, fell out of golf cart, etc., & prob doesn't even know they are gone. :)

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Is this the explanation you are referring to?
And also besides the roads being county how do you think the people who don’t live in villages feel that they have to push a button to enter a road that they help pay for , there are locals that I have come in contact with around the county that when you mentioned the villages will say they wish they could ride around in there , maybe there not well informed but there no different then people on here that have said in the past they didn’t know it was not gated private hmmmm

[jimkerr]

What in the world would make you think it The Villages responsibility? Relax.

[golfing eagles]

It’s a law all recreation centers must have sharps disposal containers and training for the staff on procedures to properly handle
bio hazard . Train the trainer .

Care to give a citation for that "law"?

And if it were a "law", which is highly doubtful, I'm sure somebody would have blown in all the Rec centers long ago for being out of compliance.

[golfing eagles]

I agree, very poor response they gave you, and yes it should be their problem. Ridiculous.

The Rec center gave you a terrible response and no help at all! That's the same with Community Watch. Thanks for trying to keep us safe!

Either of you care to explain why it would be the Rec center's problem?

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

FYI the only people I see in villages that appear homeless are many of the men I see in restaurants with there well dressed wife’s , ladies put your foot down , don’t let them go out dressed like that and at least make them take the baseball cap off and guys if your not a teenager a baseball cap on backwards does not make you look cool

[MDLNB]

Perhaps you are unaware, but the term sharps container in medical speak does not mean disposal of any sharp material such as your razor blades in your home. It refers to materials that may be contaminated with blood or other infectious materials. It is perfectly legal for an individual to throw away a razor blade or a box cutter in their home trash without precautions or broken glass or blood stained clothing. Actually a person with diabetes can throw away their needles at home as well. It is discouraged and there are programs to make it easy to not do that, but it is not illegal AFAIK.
State by state laws as of 2019 are HERE
(http://legislativeanalysis.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Summary-of-State-Legislation-and-Regulaion-Related-to-Sharps-Disposal.pdf). I suspect if we were throwing our needles into the trash cans in the offices of the legislators in Tallahassee, we might see some rules in Florida (is that too political?)
It is human and decent to try to protect the workers who will collect your trash, as you do, but it is not required. It is regulated for businesses.

As to the post above mine



You're posting is garbage.

Just the simple choice to put quotes around "proper" tells the reader everything they need to know about your thinking process. There is in fact a proper was to dispose of needles, not a "proper" way. As to the thrust of your opinion. A soup can lid can cut the trash collector but it is not going to have blood from the user on it and not going to present a risk of contracting blood borne pathogens, unlike your needle which you believe you made safe. It is unclear how that person who is not carrying around a disposal kit just happens to be carrying around a needle cutter. The small needle cutters do NOT remove the needle, they just shorten it. There is a reason a sharps container has a biohazard label, and it is not because it might contain remnants of soup.


Whoopie Doo! A needle broken off in the trash is not more apt to stick someone than a soup can lid which is much larger. You are assuming that every needle that you find has a contagious disease. Kind of like the maskers thinking that anyone without a mask is infected. The fact is that your sharps container is not available everywhere you go. Next thing that will happen is that some on here will expect every gas station and carryout to have them available. This is real life. There is no reason that a rec center, which is short for the key work RECREATION should have a means to dispose of needles. Neither should the postal boxes where we pick up our mail. AND you are more likely to find junkie needles there than other places in the Villages. And I break needles all the time and have never used "needle cutters." Don't know about you but the needles I break, end up breaking off at the point they enter the syringe. I am sure that there are far more dangerous materials in the trash. I am not saying you are wrong, just not living in the real world if you think everybody is going to do the "proper" thing. And no, I am not a medical professional, although I have spent the night at the Holiday Inn Express.
And just a note: Syringes are used for other purposes besides medical. They are also used to apply glues and lubricants to small areas.

[golfing eagles]

And also besides the roads being county how do you think the people who don’t live in villages feel that they have to push a button to enter a road that they help pay for , there are locals that I have come in contact with around the county that when you mentioned the villages will say they wish they could ride around in there , maybe there not well informed but there no different then people on here that have said in the past they didn’t know it was not gated private hmmmm

The gates are essentially a traffic control measure, so how do people who live outside the Villages feel about stopping for a red light to continue on a road they helped pay for such as 466???

[Leadfoot_2009]

Might suggest you go talk to the Sharps Needles recycling office located behind the Fire and Sumter police unit Dept at Moses and 466. The have a small Dept of Health office there where one can purchase a hazardous waste needles receptacle for $ 5.00 and when yours is full they will accept and recycle it.

Maybe ask them if they can provide some good advice on how to deal with the matter at hand ?

[Spalumbos62]

Whoopie Doo! A needle broken off in the trash is not more apt to stick someone than a soup can lid which is much larger. You are assuming that every needle that you find has a contagious disease. Kind of like the maskers thinking that anyone without a mask is infected. The fact is that your sharps container is not available everywhere you go. Next thing that will happen is that some on here will expect every gas station and carryout to have them available. This is real life. There is no reason that a rec center, which is short for the key work RECREATION should have a means to dispose of needles. Neither should the postal boxes where we pick up our mail. AND you are more likely to find junkie needles there than other places in the Villages. And I break needles all the time and have never used "needle cutters." Don't know about you but the needles I break, end up breaking off at the point they enter the syringe. I am sure that there are far more dangerous materials in the trash. I am not saying you are wrong, just not living in the real world if you think everybody is going to do the "proper" thing. And no, I am not a medical professional, although I have spent the night at the Holiday Inn Express.
And just a note: Syringes are used for other purposes besides medical. They are also used to apply glues and lubricants to small areas.


If this is how you dispose of used syringes, you should not be able to use them... and if your use is medical, then you need to go to a facility for help with their use.
They are dangerous!..period
Why do you think they have classes on disposal...you can't tell me you don't know this...or were not taught...this entitled attitude is ridiculous.
Grow up people and be responsible, stop using your age to "pretend " you don't know the correct way.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

A red light is for all , a village gate is of help when it comes to OUR property values and an appearance of OUR security which it is because of cameras , red lights and gates on county leading to OUR property are 2 different things

[Dzurinko]

Marine 1974, you are absolutely wrong! Train the trainer is a great buss phrase, but does not apply when there is no requirement to have a program. It would be great if you would post a link where you found this misinformation that says “Recreation Centers” must have sharps containers and procedures in place. The Sumter County Bio-Engineer would have some oversight on the sharp program and I’d venture a guess even HE/SHE would be unaware of a sharp program at all the Recreation Centers. Why? Because there is no requirement. So a link to that information you posted would be helpful.....................

[Arctic Fox]

What do we have to do wait for someone to get stuck by one of these needles or heaven forbid a grand child gets a hold of it. There is a simple solution to this problem, install sharp container somewhere behind the desk or near the bathrooms...

Not sure how this would solve the problem. I doubt that the user of the needle would then go inside the Rec Center to dispose of it. So it would still be on the ground for a grandchild to get hold of, or the third party picking it up to get stuck by it.

[golfing eagles]

A red light is for all , a village gate is of help when it comes to OUR property values and an appearance of OUR security which it is because of cameras , red lights and gates on county leading to OUR property are 2 different things

So, in your mind, controlling traffic at the intersection of 2 roads with a traffic light is OK, but controlling traffic at the intersection of a road and an MMP with a gate is not? Good luck getting across some our busier entry points without a gate, especially in high season. Or would you prefer a traffic light instead and get rid of the gates? I have no idea how this relates to "property values"

[Dzurinko]

It’s a law all recreation centers must have sharps disposal containers and training for the staff on procedures to properly handle
bio hazard . Train the trainer .

Marine 1974, you are absolutely wrong! Train the trainer is a great buss phrase, but does not apply when there is no requirement to have a program. It would be great if you would post a link where you found this misinformation that says “Recreation Centers” must have sharps containers and procedures in place. The Sumter County Bio-Engineer would have some oversight on the sharp program and I’d venture a guess even HE/SHE would be unaware of a sharp program at all the Recreation Centers. Why? Because there is no requirement. So a link to that information you posted would be helpful.....................

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

So, in your mind, controlling traffic at the intersection of 2 roads with a traffic light is OK, but controlling traffic at the intersection of a road and an MMP with a gate is not? Good luck getting across some our busier entry points without a gate, especially in high season. Or would you prefer a traffic light instead and get rid of the gates? I have no idea how this relates to "property values"

In arguing with someone who thinks the gates don’t help with the appeal of living here and enhancing our property valued and I’m sure those gates were a big factor in slowing the traffic down in the courtyard villas or where I lived in Hacienda at Mission Hills yes that gate was all about slowing traffic hmmm good bye

[Airbuble52]

Wow! She was trying to do the right thing and asking for suggestions. It would be nice to get a simple reply to Help instead of bashing her because she was looking out for other people's welfare.
Shame on you!
And thank you to those who actually tried to help.
If you can't say something nice then keep your comments to yourself!!!😡

[golfing eagles]

In arguing with someone who thinks the gates don’t help with the appeal of living here and enhancing our property valued and I’m sure those gates were a big factor in slowing the traffic down in the courtyard villas or where I lived in Hacienda at Mission Hills yes that gate was all about slowing traffic hmmm good bye

and good riddance:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Ga.dawg]

For the 3rd time I have found used hypodermic needles found in this area. 2 with caps on them 1 without . I brought one to the rec. office yesterday and asked if there was a container to dispose of the needle. Her response was they do not and it was not their problem. Are you serious ! The safety and security of the people here is absolutely their problem. What do we have to do wait for someone to get stuck by one of these needles or heaven forbid a grand child gets a hold of it. There is a simple solution to this problem, install sharp container somewhere behind the desk or near the bathrooms and have the local fire department change them out properly and securely. To have the staff at mulberry say it is not their problem and that I should take the needle home with me because they are not a hospital is un acceptable period ! This now makes me think that they have no training in these situations at all. Do they have training in blood borne pathogens incase there is a person that falls or any other osha training ? This problem needs to be addressed ASAP . Who do I talk to about this problem? Any help is appreciated, thank you

If you find needles and are inclined to pick them up for safety reasons , I suggest you take them to the nearest fire station with ambulance service , or nearest medical center, they have containers and are trained to dispose of them properly , I agree with the Recreation center on not taking them , maybe they could have explained it in a better manner .

[Bogie Shooter]

In arguing with someone who thinks the gates don’t help with the appeal of living here and enhancing our property valued and I’m sure those gates were a big factor in slowing the traffic down in the courtyard villas or where I lived in Hacienda at Mission Hills yes that gate was all about slowing traffic hmmm good bye

You seem to be talking in circles.
I agree time for, good bye.
:duck:

[RICH1]

:1rotfl: Call sheriff over a used needed, how exactly are they going to stop something that already happened.

However since you have personal experience on “out of control drug use” are they your friends, or do you belong to the task force. Finding a vein on an elderly person is just hard to do. I would think weed or coke, would be a better choice. So can you share where the out of control drug use is in TV?
Remember 50-80 year olds live here and evidently some grandchildren also.. at 8 bucks for a bag of smack , what a better place to shoot it and lay low for awhile...Its not just 20-30year olds using..93 thousand people died from opium related deaths last year... and I do personally know someone that died from a Heroin overdose

[graciegirl]

Did anyone else call Mulberry to see if this really happened? They have different staff on different days.

If you call the big boss, the head of all the centers, he probably had not heard this. For one of two reasons.

I go to our rec center when things are usual, four days a week. Belong to four different groups. Use the restroom. Enter by the side and front entrance. Never have seen sharps laying around. Sometimes I see cute painted rocks from "The Villages rocks". Every once in awhile I will see a cigarette butt, but not often at all. The one closest to us is also on a major road, 466. I don't see anyone hanging around after hours and we go by it all of the time. I really do not think this happened. I don't.

[kcostello]

You are right of course if this woman saw what she saw. I wish someone would call Mulberry or go over there and talk to the director. I am sure he/she will be aware if such a thing happened and then I will apologize. It just does not seem at all credible to me.

In your previous post I agreed with every word that was in essence saying what I said sarcastically. Sometimes sarcasm isn't meant to be funny-ha ha or fun of SOMEONE, but to underline a point.

Ask for the woman who worked Friday in the morning, again I have no problem going down there and proving my case. As far as your sarcasm I worked in a hospital for 15 years and as a correctional officer for 15 years. Your words mean nothing to me I have thick skin.

[kcostello]

I tried to take them to the medical building before the rec center. They where closed . Went to the private practice across the way from them and they said they don’t accept needles

[kcostello]

Start here.

John B. Rohan, Director of Recreation

352-674-1800
John.Rohan@Districtgov.org

Thank you I will be calling him on Tuesday seeing it is Labor Day weekend. Again thank you for the help

[graciegirl]

Here is a list of the people in charge. It has the email address of all directors of all our rec centers.

https://www.districtgov.org/departments/Recreation/images/staff-directory.pdf?v=1904

If anyone finds out that someone was rude to the OP. or dismissive I would be surprised.

I think it highly unlikely that the OP did find sharps and if so it was a very unusual happening here. I don't think that we should consider adding a sharps collection business to our rec centers. I wonder how much that would cost for each of them? If this was a common problem it would be another story. I just don't think it is.

[Spalumbos62]

I tried to take them to the medical building before the rec center. They where closed . Went to the private practice across the way from them and they said they don’t accept needles


Kcostello.....im sorry that we have people on this thread that are very close to calling you a liar. I really don't think you would waste your time making up such a story.
There are a few on here that everything in TV is golden, and butterflies circle our pools. But, it isnt....we have people that drink and drive, miserable drivers that give you the finger, and dog poop that is not picked up. Don't get me wrong, I love it here, I'm just smart enough to take off the rose colored glasses.
I believe whole heartedly what you saw and did. My hope is that they were used by a diabetic and somehow fell out of their gym bag. It's sad to think it could be some elder person "shooting up"....but it could be so.
Good luck and thank you for trying.
Ps... dont let the nay sayers scare you off here.

[graciegirl]

Kcostello.....im sorry that we have people on this thread that are very close to calling you a liar. I really don't think you would waste your time making up such a story.
There are a few on here that everything in TV is golden, and butterflies circle our pools. But, it isnt....we have people that drink and drive, miserable drivers that give you the finger, and dog poop that is not picked up. Don't get me wrong, I love it here, I'm just smart enough to take off the rose colored glasses.
I believe whole heartedly what you saw and did. My hope is that they were used by a diabetic and somehow fell out of their gym bag. It's sad to think it could be some elder person "shooting up"....but it could be so.
Good luck and thank you for trying.
Ps... dont let the nay sayers scare you off here.

You may be right and you often are............however, there are people who live closeby to The Villages and do not like the fact that The Villages has encroached near to them. They think it spoils the area, ruins the virgin fields and streams and the life of those who were here "before" The Villages. I call them "townies". Not all, but some, mind you.

There are people who either cannot or do not wish to live here and they are envious of those who do. There are those who have an agenda that is just plain anti-successful-big-business. There are a few builders who are envious of the success of the Morse family.

I am skeptical because these are the first, second, third, fourth and fifth posts of a new poster. Someone called it a "griefer" post and I had to look that word up. Apparently it is a word to describe people who deliberately join an online game to disrupt it.

I may be wrong, and I often am, but I don't think this happened. Maybe one needle, but not on three occasions. Someone else would have seen one of the THREE and mentioned it. We are all sharp eyed reporters. We are all a platoon of Alice Kravatzes. We see. We tell. We notice things. We plant rocks with sayings on them around the exits of our rec centers. We look down, because we don't want to trip over something.

Tomorrow, I will call Mulberry and ask the big honcho if they had word on this. I will then call on Friday and ask the ladies at the desk if this happened. I could be wrong. If so. I will run naked through Lake Sumter Landing Market square.

No. I wouldn't do that to anyone........;)

[MDLNB]

If this is how you dispose of used syringes, you should not be able to use them... and if your use is medical, then you need to go to a facility for help with their use.
They are dangerous!..period
Why do you think they have classes on disposal...you can't tell me you don't know this...or were not taught...this entitled attitude is ridiculous.
Grow up people and be responsible, stop using your age to "pretend " you don't know the correct way.


Very funny, considering the source of such a statement.

There's nothing dangerous or wrong with how I dispose of the needles and we don't recycle anymore so all trash goes together.

This subject is probably just bait anyway.

[Spalumbos62]

You may be right and you often are............however, there are people who live closeby to The Villages and do not like the fact that The Villages has encroached near to them. They think it spoils the area, ruins the virgin fields and streams and the life of those who were here "before" The Villages. I call them "townies". Not all, but some, mind you.

There are people who either cannot or do not wish to live here and they are envious of those who do. There are those who have an agenda that is just plain anti-successful-big-business. There are a few builders who are envious of the success of the Morse family.

I am skeptical because these are the first, second, third, fourth and fifth posts of a new poster. Someone called it a "griefer" post and I had to look that word up. Apparently it is a word to describe people who deliberately join an online game to disrupt it.

I may be wrong, and I often am, but I don't think this happened. Maybe one needle, but not on three occasions. Someone else would have seen one of the THREE and mentioned it. We are all sharp eyed reporters. We are all a platoon of Alice Kravatzes. We see. We tell. We notice things. We plant rocks with sayings on them around the exits of our rec centers. We look down, because we don't want to trip over something.

Tomorrow, I will call Mulberry and ask the big honcho if they had word on this. I will then call on Friday and ask the ladies at the desk if this happened. I could be wrong. If so. I will run naked through Lake Sumter Landing Market square.

No. I wouldn't do that to anyone........;)

Keep us posted...it was a very interesting post...a mystery and it def could be someone from outside leaving their paraffinalya for someone to dispose of.
Next.....boys...get your cameras ready
Lol, lol
Have a great labor day

[Escape Artist]

Reading posts on these threads is sometimes like the old game "Telephone" where a message is whispered to various people and then the last one will reveal it and it's often completely different than the original.

What I read was a post of concern about something very strange and unusual at a local rec center, something that could cause harm or be potentially dangerous. A few posters were helpful and gave supportive opinions, but I'm afraid many did not.

There were accusations against the OP that their claims were fraudulent, that they were essentially lying for attention or to create drama, take your pick. Or that TV was being overrun by junkies mainlining drugs and tossing their used needles like this was the Mission district in San Francisco. Then they were blamed for acting entitled or bothering the rec center personnel with trivial matters.

Another suggested the OP take matters into their own hands, literally, and scoop up the used needles and drive all over in this heat to find an appropriate receptacle because they are making too big of a deal out of it.

I guess it's true that "no good deed goes unpunished".

[kcostello]

contacted and talked to John Rohan director of villages rec. dept. he said if you find such an item again please contact sheriff's dept. or fire dept. to come and get the needle. the rec. center employees are not trained to handle or dispose of such items, and they will not put sharp containers at the rec. centers. hope this helps, thank you John Rohan for your time and explanation of your policy and procedures .

[ROCKMUP]

What a horrible use of resources.

OP- Not sure why you thought it was a good idea to pick them up. Really bad choice for a lot of reasons, admirable for sure but bad idea.

[Wyseguy]

Did she really tell you to bring the needle home with you? Did she REALLY say that? Was she aware that was not your needle and that you found the needle? You are just joshing with us. Right? Please say she did NOT say that.

She probably thought they were the OP's needles, and that she was asking the rec office to dispose of them for her.

[kcostello]

I have 30 yrs experience between hospitals and sheriffs dept dealing with hazardous materials

[kcostello]

I am a male for 1 and I was the person who brought it to the attention of the staff

[walterray1]

I am a male for 1 and I was the person who brought it to the attention of the staff

and it is very little, we have lived in TV for 15 years and this is the very first time this topic has ever been brought up (to my knowledge). Is it a problem real or imagined? Who knows. Quite a bit of angst has been expressed though.

[Bogie Shooter]

For the 3rd time I have found used hypodermic needles found in this area. 2 with caps on them 1 without . I brought one to the rec. office yesterday and asked if there was a container to dispose of the needle. Her response was they do not and it was not their problem. Are you serious ! The safety and security of the people here is absolutely their problem. What do we have to do wait for someone to get stuck by one of these needles or heaven forbid a grand child gets a hold of it. There is a simple solution to this problem, install sharp container somewhere behind the desk or near the bathrooms and have the local fire department change them out properly and securely. To have the staff at mulberry say it is not their problem and that I should take the needle home with me because they are not a hospital is un acceptable period ! This now makes me think that they have no training in these situations at all. Do they have training in blood borne pathogens incase there is a person that falls or any other osha training ? This problem needs to be addressed ASAP . Who do I talk to about this problem? Any help is appreciated, thank you

I have 30 yrs experience between hospitals and sheriffs dept dealing with hazardous materials


With that kind of experience you don’t need social media to learn how to address your problem………….

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

I’m with you

[kcostello]

Just went to staff for their policy and procedure first. This was to make people aware of what needs to be done if they come across something like this.

[ROCKMUP]

I have 30 yrs experience between hospitals and sheriffs dept dealing with hazardous materials

Then it makes what you did even dumber, I also have 30+ years dealing with bio hazard materials, no way in gods green earth I'd pick up dirty needles, let alone try and give them to someone that clearly doesn't.

[Spalumbos62]

I have 30 yrs experience between hospitals and sheriffs dept dealing with hazardous materials


Odd post- for end of this thread.
You started out with big dilemma..."what should I do???" And now you end it with... you have" 30yrs experience in......"
If that's the case, why would you need to ask us, I would think I'd be asking you? Odd.

I sure hope your complete post was honest. We all like to express our opinions here, stick up for the underdog or poster getting abused.....and trust me, we will...we are that kinda people......but....... dont be fibbing us...... dont do that.