Ignoring the Science on Booster Shots NYT

[John41]

Scientists getting pressured to approve booster shots before data analyzed. Safety and science being compromised by current leadership.
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Public health experts are speaking out that keeping pace with the White House’s Sept. 20 timeline put increased pressure on scientists, who are analyzing the evidence, to proceed with the administration’s strategy and timeline, the New York Times reported. The issue was put on full display earlier this week, when two FDA officials - the director of the FDA’s Office of Vaccines Research & Review Marion Gruber, and its deputy director Phil Krause - filed their resignations from the agency.

[Bucco]

Scientists getting pressured to approve booster shots before data analyzed. Safety and science being compromised by current leadership.
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Public health experts are speaking out that keeping pace with the White House’s Sept. 20 timeline put increased pressure on scientists, who are analyzing the evidence, to proceed with the administration’s strategy and timeline, the New York Times reported. The issue was put on full display earlier this week, when two FDA officials - the director of the FDA’s Office of Vaccines Research & Review Marion Gruber, and its deputy director Phil Krause - filed their resignations from the agency.

Close, but not quite what you infer.
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“WASHINGTON — Top federal health officials have told the White House to scale back a plan to offer coronavirus booster shots to the general public this month, saying that regulators need more time to collect and review all the necessary data, according to people familiar with the discussion.

Dr. Janet Woodcock, the acting commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, and Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, who heads the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, warned the White House on Thursday that their agencies may be able to determine in the coming weeks whether to recommend boosters only for recipients of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine — and possibly just some of them to start.

The two health leaders made their argument in a meeting with Jeffrey D. Zients, the White House pandemic coordinator. Several people who heard about the session said it was unclear how Mr. Zients responded. But he has insisted for months that the White House will always follow the advice of government scientists, wherever it leads.

Asked about the meeting, a White House spokesman said on Friday, “We always said we would follow the science, and this is all part of a process that is now underway,” adding that the administration was awaiting a “full review and approval” of booster shots by the F.D.A. as well as a recommendation from the C.D.C.“

Health Officials Advise Biden to Scale Back Covid-19 Booster Shots Plan For Now - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/03/us/coronavirus-booster-shots.html)
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Glad to see consultation on this and done with no threats.

[Topspinmo]

Got keep the cash cow going. Maybe a booster every month would be better, o wait have about every week.

[Love2Swim]

Close, but not quite what you infer.
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“WASHINGTON — Top federal health officials have told the White House to scale back a plan to offer coronavirus booster shots to the general public this month, saying that regulators need more time to collect and review all the necessary data, according to people familiar with the discussion.

Dr. Janet Woodcock, the acting commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, and Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, who heads the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, warned the White House on Thursday that their agencies may be able to determine in the coming weeks whether to recommend boosters only for recipients of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine — and possibly just some of them to start.

The two health leaders made their argument in a meeting with Jeffrey D. Zients, the White House pandemic coordinator. Several people who heard about the session said it was unclear how Mr. Zients responded. But he has insisted for months that the White House will always follow the advice of government scientists, wherever it leads.

Asked about the meeting, a White House spokesman said on Friday, “We always said we would follow the science, and this is all part of a process that is now underway,” adding that the administration was awaiting a “full review and approval” of booster shots by the F.D.A. as well as a recommendation from the C.D.C.“

Health Officials Advise Biden to Scale Back Covid-19 Booster Shots Plan For Now - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/03/us/coronavirus-booster-shots.html)
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Glad to see consultation on this and done with no threats.

Thank you. It always amazes me how people can change a few words to put some sort of spin on things to further their own agenda. I appreciate seeing the un-edited version so I can come to my own conclusions.

[jswirs]

Close, but not quite what you infer.
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“WASHINGTON — Top federal health officials have told the White House to scale back a plan to offer coronavirus booster shots to the general public this month, saying that regulators need more time to collect and review all the necessary data, according to people familiar with the discussion.

Dr. Janet Woodcock, the acting commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, and Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, who heads the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, warned the White House on Thursday that their agencies may be able to determine in the coming weeks whether to recommend boosters only for recipients of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine — and possibly just some of them to start.

The two health leaders made their argument in a meeting with Jeffrey D. Zients, the White House pandemic coordinator. Several people who heard about the session said it was unclear how Mr. Zients responded. But he has insisted for months that the White House will always follow the advice of government scientists, wherever it leads.

Asked about the meeting, a White House spokesman said on Friday, “We always said we would follow the science, and this is all part of a process that is now underway,” adding that the administration was awaiting a “full review and approval” of booster shots by the F.D.A. as well as a recommendation from the C.D.C.“

Health Officials Advise Biden to Scale Back Covid-19 Booster Shots Plan For Now - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/03/us/coronavirus-booster-shots.html)
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Glad to see consultation on this and done with no threats.

OK, I get it. So my question is: What caused the two FDA officials to resign?
And, Whatever Mr. Zients has to say is, most likely, very far from being true.

[Bucco]

Thank you. It always amazes me how people can change a few words to put some sort of spin on things to further their own agenda. I appreciate seeing the un-edited version so I can come to my own conclusions.

Yes, often people will simply pick and choose a sentence or two, out of context.

Very very dishonest and who knows what motivates people to lie, and it is a lie. to ignore context, to manipulate others words and these copy and paste without links are suspicious

[Bucco]

OK, I get it. So my question is: What caused the two FDA officials to resign?
And, Whatever Mr. Zients has to say is, most likely, very far from being true.

Seems to be mum on that. I opposed the selection of Mr. Zients in the first place because of lack of any science background.

[billethkid]

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[John41]

Dr Fauci is now arguing with the WH on the need to follow the science and wait for FDA approval on the boosters. The WH wants to push for Sept 20 regardless. Dr Fauci wants to avoid a medical Afghanistan debacle that would rest on his shoulders and I will give him credit for standing up for science.

[John41]

Dr Fauci is now arguing with the WH on the need to follow the science and wait for FDA approval on the boosters. The WH wants to push for Sept 20 regardless. Dr Fauci wants to avoid a medical Afghanistan debacle that would rest on his shoulders and I will give him credit for standing up for science. It’s interesting that WaPo and NYT are now suspect as they were “trusted sources” before deviating from the official narrative.

[Gajam]

Then why did Bidon announce boosters available on Sept. 20th?

[jimjamuser]

Got keep the cash cow going. Maybe a booster every month would be better, o wait have about every week.
I disagree with the contents of this post.

[Bucco]

Dr Fauci is now arguing with the WH on the need to follow the science and wait for FDA approval on the boosters. The WH wants to push for Sept 20 regardless. Dr Fauci wants to avoid a medical Afghanistan debacle that would rest on his shoulders and I will give him credit for standing up for science. It’s interesting that WaPo and NYT are now suspect as they were “trusted sources” before deviating from the official narrative.

Many would love to know your sources for news of any kind.

You are never correct.

WASHINGTON, Sept 5 (Reuters) - Top U.S. infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci said on Sunday that officials were likely to soon get the regulatory go-ahead to administer COVID-19 vaccine booster shots made by Pfizer (PFE.N), although Moderna (MRNA.O) booster could take a little longer.

Asked on CBS' "Face the Nation," about President Joe Biden's goal to give booster shots starting Sept. 20, Fauci said that "in some respects" that remained the plan.

But he said that while Pfizer-BioNTech has submitted the necessary data on booster shots to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), Moderna has yet to complete the process. Fauci said he hopes to give both vaccines when boosters doses roll out, but if Moderna does not complete the process before Sept. 20, then Moderna boosters will be given later.

Pfizer on track for U.S. vaccine boosters, Moderna lagging, Fauci says | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/pfizer-track-us-vaccine-boosters-moderna-lagging-fauci-says-2021-09-05/)

[John41]

We are fully Covid vaccinated, Moderna, and wear N95 masks when in crowds. We wanted to get the booster but Dr Fauci is worried about incompetent leadership ignoring the science.

Washington Post
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/bidens...
Sep 01, 2021 · Biden’s Rushed Booster Plan Is Already Getting Messy - The Washington Post Setting a timeline before experts weighed in put improper pressure on scientific agencies, raised expectations and now...

[Bucco]

We are fully Covid vaccinated, Moderna, and wear N95 masks when in crowds. We wanted to get the booster but Dr Fauci is worried about incompetent leadership ignoring the science.

Washington Post
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/bidens...
Sep 01, 2021 · Biden’s Rushed Booster Plan Is Already Getting Messy - The Washington Post Setting a timeline before experts weighed in put improper pressure on scientific agencies, raised expectations and now...

You ignore reporting fake, untrue things and once again, your link does not work.

It is another Bloomberg opinion piece

[Bucco]

We are fully Covid vaccinated, Moderna, and wear N95 masks when in crowds. We wanted to get the booster but Dr Fauci is worried about incompetent leadership ignoring the science.

Washington Post
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/bidens...
Sep 01, 2021 · Biden’s Rushed Booster Plan Is Already Getting Messy - The Washington Post Setting a timeline before experts weighed in put improper pressure on scientific agencies, raised expectations and now...

This quote from you in this post....

Dr Fauci is worried about incompetent leadership ignoring the science.

Please supply the source of your post.

Why pollute our forum with disinformation ? What could possibly be your aim ? And if you simply made it in, man up..admit it.

[John41]

You ignore reporting fake, untrue things and once again, your link does not work.

It is another Bloomberg opinion piece

Links don’t always work so I just post them for reference.
Just Google or use Bing “Washington Post Biden booster” and you will go to the Washington Post article not a Bloomberg article. Google a few of your other trusted sources like CNN and you get the same thing. My only goal is the truth.

[Bucco]

Links don’t always work so I just post them for reference.
Just google “Washington Post Biden booster” and you will go to the Washington Post article not a Bloomberg article. Google a few of your other trusted sources line CNN and you get the same thing. They are worried , like Dr Fauci that the science is being ignored.

If possible, be honest

You make things up, insure there is no context.

Obviously whatever point you want to make cannot be made without misinformation and lies.

OR, change your source of news gathering.....you are being conned

[John41]

If possible, be honest

You make things up, insure there is no context.

Obviously whatever point you want to make cannot be made without misinformation and lies.

OR, change your source of news gathering.....you are being conned

So now Washington Post and Google are part of a media conspiracy against your idol? LOL Did you actually read their article? Anyone else on this forum can get the truth by googling what I suggested. Im not going to waste my time on a closed mind.

[Bucco]

So now Washington Post and Google are part of a media conspiracy against your idol? LOL Did you actually read their article? Anyone else on this forum can get the truth by googling what I suggested. Im not going to waste my time on a closed mind.

YOU lecturing anyone about spreading lies is actually very funny.

My idol......you don’t pay attention at all ...I have NO dog in this fight except for being disgusted with lying and spreading false information on serious issues.

If you feel an accredited site reports news you agree with and want to share.....first,make sure it is news.....and it is true. I won tell you how to do that...but learn how to determine truth, and do other post lies simply because whatever reason someone has to lie.

And for the record, your posts are so untrue, nobody needs to google them because they are not true. Try becoming part of the real world, not some fantasy. You got to be embarrassed, but then again perhaps the truth is a foreign thing to ou.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

They're not ignoring the science, they're not lying. It's called wishful thinking, and we all do it. According to Associated Press:
“Just remember, as a simple rule — rule: Eight months after your second shot, get a booster shot,” he said then, adding that health experts were aiming to be ready to administer them by Sept. 20, pending approval by the regulatory agencies.

bolded, underlined part my emphasis. So according to the AP, Biden didn't say "You WILL be getting boosters officially effective 9AM September 20." What he said was - if all goes as expected, it'll be ready to roll out September 20.

B is only true if A is also true. If A is false, then B will be false.

B = 9/20 rollout.
A = multiple regulatory agency approvals for 9/20 rollout

It's not A = B.
It's IF B, THEN A.

[Chi-Town]

It's obvious OP misses CNM.

[Nucky]

As long as my Doctor is up to date on The Science, then what's to worry about?

I got my 3rd Moderna shot last Friday. It kicked my butt this time and my arm is much more colorful than last time but I'm happy I have a Doctor that I trust my life with.

[coffeebean]

As long as my Doctor is up to date on The Science, then what's to worry about?

I got my 3rd Moderna shot last Friday. It kicked my butt this time and my arm is much more colorful than last time but I'm happy I have a Doctor that I trust my life with.

I thought Moderna wasn't ready yet for a third dose to be administered? How were you able to get a Moderna booster? Who administered it?

Regarding your reaction from your third Moderna shot........did you have a reaction from your second shot of Moderna? After my second Moderna shot, I had a fever of nearly 103 and was down for the count for about 12 hours but was perfectly back to normal after that. Just wondering what the third Moderna shot is going to do to me. Yikes!

[Luggage]

Rather than saying a lie, it's either an era of omission or simply a misrepresentation of the facts, to spin the story the way they want. But in any event only time will tell the correct things to do with the third shots where as my pharmacist likes to say "not a booster"

[Girlcopper]

Then why did Bidon announce boosters available on Sept. 20th?
Who cares what Bidem said

[GeriS]

Dr Fauci is now arguing with the WH on the need to follow the science and wait for FDA approval on the boosters. The WH wants to push for Sept 20 regardless. Dr Fauci wants to avoid a medical Afghanistan debacle that would rest on his shoulders and I will give him credit for standing up for science.
It's already a medical debacle and does rest on Fauci.

[Bay Kid]

Got keep the cash cow going. Maybe a booster every month would be better, o wait have about every week.

They have an agenda. Their agenda about something other than for Americans. Fear, control.

[lkagele]

They have an agenda. Their agenda about something other than for Americans. Fear, control.

You forgot 'power'.

Maybe I'm being naïve but wouldn't it make sense for people to get tested for antibodies before getting a third shot?

[Bucco]

I thought Moderna wasn't ready yet for a third dose to be administered? How were you able to get a Moderna booster? Who administered it?

Regarding your reaction from your third Moderna shot........did you have a reaction from your second shot of Moderna? After my second Moderna shot, I had a fever of nearly 103 and was down for the count for about 12 hours but was perfectly back to normal after that. Just wondering what the third Moderna shot is going to do to me. Yikes!

It IS startling to read the posts on here. You learn so much.

No boosters are available, and boosters (3rd shot) for Moderna appear heading for a delay.

[jmretatlast12]

If this is accurate why is The Villages Health giving Moderma boosters now?


QUOTE=Bucco;1999443]Many would love to know your sources for news of any kind.

You are never correct.

WASHINGTON, Sept 5 (Reuters) - Top U.S. infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci said on Sunday that officials were likely to soon get the regulatory go-ahead to administer COVID-19 vaccine booster shots made by Pfizer (PFE.N), although Moderna (MRNA.O) booster could take a little longer.

Asked on CBS' "Face the Nation," about President Joe Biden's goal to give booster shots starting Sept. 20, Fauci said that "in some respects" that remained the plan.

But he said that while Pfizer-BioNTech has submitted the necessary data on booster shots to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), Moderna has yet to complete the process. Fauci said he hopes to give both vaccines when boosters doses roll out, but if Moderna does not complete the process before Sept. 20, then Moderna boosters will be given later.

Pfizer on track for U.S. vaccine boosters, Moderna lagging, Fauci says | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/pfizer-track-us-vaccine-boosters-moderna-lagging-fauci-says-2021-09-05/)[/QUOTE]

[Nick B]

They have an agenda. Their agenda about something other than for Americans. Fear, control.
Please tell me what that agenda is.

[biker1]

No. Boosters are available right now for the immunocompromised as per the CDC. Boosters for the general public are not yet approved by the CDC/FDA. Pragmatically, anyone can get a booster right now as there is no required documentation of your status.

COVID-19 Vaccines for Moderately to Severely Immunocompromised People | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/immuno.html)



It IS startling to read the posts on here. You learn so much.

No boosters are available, and boosters (3rd shot) for Moderna appear heading for a delay.

[villageuser]

Yes, the FDA has not formally approved the booster yet but there is data from a study available. I presumed that the September date was because the WH thought that the government review of Pfizer’s data would be complete by that day.

Pfizer and BioNTech Announce Submission of Initial Data to U.S. FDA to Support Booster Dose of COVID-19 Vaccine | Pfizer (https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-submission-initial-data-us-fda)

[Waltdisney4life]

Bla bla bla please stop!

[Bonnevie]

Got keep the cash cow going. Maybe a booster every month would be better, o wait have about every week.

or expensive regeron treatment.....talk about cash cow for someone

[merrymini]

Fauci the liar would not recognize science if it hit him in the face.
The current “administration” does not seem to understand science or anything else.

[lkagele]

Ran across this interesting article today. Discusses what is transpiring today and concludes our approach to this 'thank you very much China' virus isn't working and should change.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not advocating anything contained in this article. I'm not claiming I'm Mr. Science. I have not taken weeks to research it completely. I am simply putting it out there as food for thought.

Vaccine Failure and the Way Out - by eugyppius - eugyppius (https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/vaccine-failure-and-the-way-out?utm_source=substack&utm_campaign=post_embed&utm_medium=email)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Fauci the liar would not recognize science if it hit him in the face.
The current “administration” does not seem to understand science or anything else.

And you know what they do and don't understand about science because you read all about it on the internet, right?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Ran across this interesting article today. Discusses what is transpiring today and concludes our approach to this 'thank you very much China' virus isn't working and should change.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not advocating anything contained in this article. I'm not claiming I'm Mr. Science. I have not taken weeks to research it completely. I am simply putting it out there as food for thought.

Vaccine Failure and the Way Out - by eugyppius - eugyppius (https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/vaccine-failure-and-the-way-out?utm_source=substack&utm_campaign=post_embed&utm_medium=email)

If you were to actually read his substack you'd see that he is a conspiracy theorist. He even tells you this on his home page.

[fishon]

90706

[MDLNB]

It's fake news if you don't agree with it. And you are not an expert so you are not allowed an opinion. A news source is only valid if it corresponds to your agenda/opinion. Go ahead and carry on with controlling the narrative.

[Spalumbos62]

It IS startling to read the posts on here. You learn so much.

No boosters are available, and boosters (3rd shot) for Moderna appear heading for a delay.

Well....someone just stated they got their 3rd shot...from their dr. ?
I assume that Dr knows more.
Of course, we are all assuming 3rd shot "make up" is the same as what would be in a booster. Are we getting more of the same...or an extra kick?

Not to play devils advocate here, but what's stopping some very,very paranoid person from going place to place, month after month, getting shots? I'm sure the demographic info could be fudged.
I know, I know. I need to stop before I put ideas into heads....but you have to wonder.

[justjim]

I was under the wrong impression regarding political posts. I guess it’s okay. :popcorn::popcorn:

[jswirs]

90706

Gotta' love that one!

[Bill14564]

Well....someone just stated they got their 3rd shot...from their dr. ?
I assume that Dr knows more.
Of course, we are all assuming 3rd shot "make up" is the same as what would be in a booster. Are we getting more of the same...or an extra kick?

Not to play devils advocate here, but what's stopping some very,very paranoid person from going place to place, month after month, getting shots? I'm sure the demographic info could be fudged.
I know, I know. I need to stop before I put ideas into heads....but you have to wonder.

See post #33 (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/1999576-post33.html).

3rd shots of Pfizer or Moderna for immunocompromised individuals were authorized last month.

3rd shots for everyone else have not been authorized at this time.

Pfizer has submitted the necessary paperwork and the committee is meeting on the 17th(?) so authorization for Pfizer by the 20th is mathematically possible.

It has been reported that Moderna has not yet submitted the necessary paperwork so there is no data for the committee to review.

[Spalumbos62]

Fauci the liar would not recognize science if it hit him in the face.
The current “administration” does not seem to understand science or anything else.

Since you distrust them so much I assume you know what's best and probably didn't take the shot from such an incompetent source.....good luck with that.

[Nucky]

I thought Moderna wasn't ready yet for a third dose to be administered? How were you able to get a Moderna booster? Who administered it?

Regarding your reaction from your third Moderna shot........did you have a reaction from your second shot of Moderna? After my second Moderna shot, I had a fever of nearly 103 and was down for the count for about 12 hours but was perfectly back to normal after that. Just wondering what the third Moderna shot is going to do to me. Yikes!

My Doctor didn't call it a Booster. He just told me to show up and get the Third Shot. I was trying to illustrate that the whole give and take on this thread can be overcome by your own Doctor. I guess it doesn't matter what the Talking Heads in the Government or the TOTV'S say. What matters is that I got the shot.

I never expected another shot. I was in the Doctors office on another issue and he directed me where to be and gave me the time to show up.

My reaction to shot #1 & shot #2 were much less than #3. I was knocked out for over 24 hours and felt like garbage for 2 full days. I felt feverish but kept checking and never actually had a fever. Today is day four and the red mark at the injection site is way less than it was. Whoa, it looked rough for a while.

Who administer it? That's too much information for me to disclose. I answered your post out of respect for you and to try and help you decide what to do but the real answer to this is really between you and your Doctor. Good Luck.

[waterflower]

Why would anyone trust the gov/corporations who are in the business to make money. Their investors, big pharma, gates foundation, the many suppliers who profited from all their fear tactics. If you are not allowed to have other points of view in the science project why would you believe anything the talking heads say. Make the medical industry honest again.

[Boomer]

As long as my Doctor is up to date on The Science, then what's to worry about?

I got my 3rd Moderna shot last Friday. It kicked my butt this time and my arm is much more colorful than last time but I'm happy I have a Doctor that I trust my life with.



Hi Nucky,

I have an immunocompromised friend who got the booster, as directed by her doctor. She is my age. The booster kicked her butt like yours did, for a couple of days. She is fine now.

Recently, I had lunch with a small group of my vacinnated friends. The talk turned to the vaccine. Among us was a vaccinated, healthy 40 year-old who told us how her original shots had kicked her butt. . .

Most of the rest of us older ones had not experienced more than sore arms from the two shots we had. . .

But remember when it was said that feeling bad after the vaccine happened more in younger people than for us boomers and beyond — and how that was thought to be a good sign of excellent immunity kicking in.

(I remember wondering if I should be wishing to feel just a bit more puny — as a reputed badge of the vaccine showing evidence of good immunity.)

Anyway, what I extrapolate from those two situations of people I know who have had after-effects — one a young person and one with the booster — is that they must now both have really excellent immunity. (Hey! Look in the mirror. Maybe that booster is making you look younger. :) )

- - - - - - -

And now, I will step onto my soapbox and include a shameless confession. . .

I believe the vaccine is working — even though I got only a sore arm out of the deal. But — confession — I try to socially avoid the unvaccinated — who have no medical reason. . .

I tend to be gregarious and I am sorry that I feel this way — but avoid them, I do. Besides, they come carrying an awful lot of baggage with things like palpable paranoia and having lost focus on the people in their lives. And I am weary of their pre-programmed mantras. So predictable. Facebook junkies. I wish we vaccinated people did not have to be caught in it with them, as their denials grow arms and legs — reaching into public health, the economy, normal social life, on and on it grows and goes.

When this whole thing started, I said we would find out who we are — and we would find out who other people really are — and — wow and shudder — I sure wish I had not been so right.

The thing I find most aggravating about this whole mess is the fact that heart surgeries and other necessary surgeries are being postponed by hospitals that have no room because of the UNvaccinated Covid patients exhausting the staff and taking up so many beds.

And imagine what could happen in the case of a big wreck somewhere near a hospital or another kind of emergency involving a lot of injured people all at one time. And, yet, the deniers continue to deny. It is mind-boggling to try to imagine how they just don’t get what is right before their eyes.

There was a recent reporting of someone dying from a ruptured gallbladder because there was no hospital in a close enough area that could get to him fast enough. A ruptured gallbladder needs immediate attention. Some things can come on without warning — things that could happen to anybody — except, I guess, for those who think they know more about the vaccine than scientists and doctors, even, in some cases, their very own doctors.

I am digressing. . .and I gotta get outa here — going to a cookout with our vaccinated friends. Such is our decided reality now. (sigh)

Boomer

[lkagele]

If you were to actually read his substack you'd see that he is a conspiracy theorist. He even tells you this on his home page.

Geez. Did you read the disclaimer. Sorry for posting something I felt was of interest without getting your approval first.

So, since he's obviously a conspiracy theorist, nothing he says is correct or should it provoke thought and discussion. The vaccines must be a huge success because he says they aren't. Israeli death rates must be much less than last year because he says they aren't. And finally, we will completely beat the virus because he says it's something we will have to live with.

[Boomer]

If you were to actually read his substack you'd see that he is a conspiracy theorist. He even tells you this on his home page.


OBB, yep, I saw the post to which you are responding here. That was some pretty transparent bait. You called it. Yet, I keep wondering why we are wasting our time. Oh well. :)

Geez. Did you read the disclaimer. Sorry for posting something I felt was of interest without getting your approval first.

So, since he's obviously a conspiracy theorist, nothing he says is correct or should it provoke thought and discussion. The vaccines must be a huge success because he says they aren't. Israeli death rates must be much less than last year because he says they aren't. And finally, we will completely beat the virus because he says it's something we will have to live with.

And so was that a “Curses! Foiled again!”

Boomer

[billethkid]

The third shot is interchangeably used with the term booster.

The third shot is just that....... same vaccine and measure as your number one and two shots.

[coffeebean]

You forgot 'power'.

Maybe I'm being naïve but wouldn't it make sense for people to get tested for antibodies before getting a third shot?

Isn't that what the trial participants are tested for?

[Topspinmo]

You ignore reporting fake, untrue things and once again, your link does not work.

It is another Bloomberg opinion piece


Isn’t all news and opinion piece?

[Topspinmo]

OBB, yep, I saw the post to which you are responding here. That was some pretty transparent bait. You called it. Yet, I keep wondering why we are wasting our time. Oh well. :)



And so was that a “Curses! Foiled again!”

Boomer


Yes, professor

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Isn't that what the trial participants are tested for?

That's one of the things the trial participants are tested for, yes.

I'll be involved in a different type of vaccine trial soon (probably, possibly - invited and have first appointment, but last time I became a test subject they cancelled the trial completely and discontinued research on the vaccine).

They'll be checking antibodies for COVID-19 even though the vaccine isn't for COVID at all. They'll be checking for antibodies for a few different things - it's amazing how much you can learn with just a couple tablespoons of blood.

They'll be testing for all sorts of stuff, before they approve me as a viable test candidate. Right now I'm just a potential candidate.

[coffeebean]

If you were to actually read his substack you'd see that he is a conspiracy theorist. He even tells you this on his home page.

Absolutely true. It is all BUNK! I have to laugh when people post links to obvious conspiracy theory websites and conspiracy theorists.

[Topspinmo]

Please tell me what that agenda is.

Money, money, MOOOOny.:popcorn:

[coffeebean]

See post #33 (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/1999576-post33.html).

3rd shots of Pfizer or Moderna for immunocompromised individuals were authorized last month.

3rd shots for everyone else have not been authorized at this time.

Pfizer has submitted the necessary paperwork and the committee is meeting on the 17th(?) so authorization for Pfizer by the 20th is mathematically possible.

It has been reported that Moderna has not yet submitted the necessary paperwork so there is no data for the committee to review.

Oh, now I understand. Are the providers of the third shots requesting proof that a person is umunocompromised? I didn't think so.

[coffeebean]

My Doctor didn't call it a Booster. He just told me to show up and get the Third Shot. I was trying to illustrate that the whole give and take on this thread can be overcome by your own Doctor. I guess it doesn't matter what the Talking Heads in the Government or the TOTV'S say. What matters is that I got the shot.

I never expected another shot. I was in the Doctors office on another issue and he directed me where to be and gave me the time to show up.

My reaction to shot #1 & shot #2 were much less than #3. I was knocked out for over 24 hours and felt like garbage for 2 full days. I felt feverish but kept checking and never actually had a fever. Today is day four and the red mark at the injection site is way less than it was. Whoa, it looked rough for a while.

Who administer it? That's too much information for me to disclose. I answered your post out of respect for you and to try and help you decide what to do but the real answer to this is really between you and your Doctor. Good Luck.

Thank you for responding to me. OK.....that makes sense that a person's physician is administering the third shot. Then they know your history and are aware if the person is imunocompromised. I surely hope people are not going to a pharmacy and telling the pharmacy this is their first shot when it is actually their third shot.

[coffeebean]

That's one of the things the trial participants are tested for, yes.

I'll be involved in a different type of vaccine trial soon (probably, possibly - invited and have first appointment, but last time I became a test subject they cancelled the trial completely and discontinued research on the vaccine).

They'll be checking antibodies for COVID-19 even though the vaccine isn't for COVID at all. They'll be checking for antibodies for a few different things - it's amazing how much you can learn with just a couple tablespoons of blood.

They'll be testing for all sorts of stuff, before they approve me as a viable test candidate. Right now I'm just a potential candidate.

Good luck with that endeavor. And.....thank you.

[jimjamuser]

It IS startling to read the posts on here. You learn so much.

No boosters are available, and boosters (3rd shot) for Moderna appear heading for a delay.
Per Dr. Hotez of Baylor U. ......Pfizer and Moderna were BOTH ORIGINALLY DESIGNED for Three (3) doses. J and J for 2 doses. Because the US early on had so many cases and deaths the US government (not sure which person or organization) decided to place the 2nd dose of Pfizer and Moderna MORE CLOSELY together than they were originally DESIGNED for. The purpose was a priority of quickness to get vaccines in arms before anti-vaccine hesitancy could RUIN the Public Health. It was a SITUATIONAL and non-ideal solution.

Today per the Israel Government....... 1) Israel uses the Pfizer vaccine. Today, those vaccinated in Jan are TWICE (2 X) as likely to have breakthroughs as those vaccinated in April.

2) The 3rd Pfizer shot reduces the chance of infection by about 75%

3) In people age 60 plus, the 3rd shot reduces the chance of severe illness by TEN TIMES (10 x)

I believe that I have heard that the Moderna 3rd shot will be available soon after the 3rd Pfizer is available

[jimjamuser]

Bla bla bla please stop!
I disagree with the content of this post.

[jimjamuser]

or expensive regeron treatment.....talk about cash cow for someone
It is actually NOT too difficult to find out who that someone is.

[jimjamuser]

I disagree with the content of this post. See next post #67

[jimjamuser]

Fauci the liar would not recognize science if it hit him in the face.
The current “administration” does not seem to understand science or anything else.
I disagree with the contents of this post.

[NoMoSno]

I disagree with the contents of this post.
I disagree with the contents of this post.

[Bucco]

Per Dr. Hotez of Baylor U. ......Pfizer and Moderna were BOTH ORIGINALLY DESIGNED for Three (3) doses. J and J for 2 doses. Because the US early on had so many cases and deaths the US government (not sure which person or organization) decided to place the 2nd dose of Pfizer and Moderna MORE CLOSELY together than they were originally DESIGNED for. The purpose was a priority of quickness to get vaccines in arms before anti-vaccine hesitancy could RUIN the Public Health. It was a SITUATIONAL and non-ideal solution.

Today per the Israel Government....... 1) Israel uses the Pfizer vaccine. Today, those vaccinated in Jan are TWICE (2 X) as likely to have breakthroughs as those vaccinated in April.

2) The 3rd Pfizer shot reduces the chance of infection by about 75%

3) In people age 60 plus, the 3rd shot reduces the chance of severe illness by TEN TIMES (10 x)

I believe that I have heard that the Moderna 3rd shot will be available soon after the 3rd Pfizer is available

I was not aware at all of the planned number of shots. Can you link me somewhere to read that ?

I apologize if I seemed snippy.....I also was not aware of the giving or Moderna boosters.

Thanks for the info

[jimjamuser]

I was under the wrong impression regarding political posts. I guess it’s okay. :popcorn::popcorn:
I was under the impression that after I left 4th-grade, peer group children stopped their "TATTELING" on each other. Some seniors, as they age get wiser, more considerate, and more easy-going.

[jimjamuser]

Why would anyone trust the gov/corporations who are in the business to make money. Their investors, big pharma, gates foundation, the many suppliers who profited from all their fear tactics. If you are not allowed to have other points of view in the science project why would you believe anything the talking heads say. Make the medical industry honest again.
I believe that "NIHILISM" is the doctrine of trusting no one and trusting nothing. I am NOT quite ready to write the world off like that. Yes, there is a lot of negativity and chaos stirring around in society today. I blame Facebook and the dark media and I hope that it like the other Plague (CV) goes away. I would take a booster shot against negativity!

[Villages Kahuna]

What’s the Science underlying the anti body infusions being recommended by the Governor and administered seven days a week at the Barnstorm Theatre? Do people understand that the antibodies being administered come from other humans or even animals? Do they understand that in an “infusion” the medicine is administered they an IV in your arm and pumped into your bloodstream for an hour or so?

Instead of getting a simple, painless vaccination of a drug which has been vetted by our best medical researchers for months? Because who told you it was a good idea? Governor deSantis?

[jimjamuser]

Isn't that what the trial participants are tested for?
The companies - both Pfizer and Moderna DESIGNED their vaccine as a 3 shot regime. J and J as a 2 shot. WE have to believe that they have the best interests of their patients (customers) at heart. They have HUGE reputations to protect. They employ the best available medical scientists.

[NoMoSno]

What’s the Science underlying the anti body infusions being recommended by the Governor and administered seven days a week at the Barnstorm Theatre? Do people understand that the antibodies being administered come from other humans or even animals? Do they understand that in an “infusion” the medicine is administered they an IV in your arm and pumped into your bloodstream for an hour or so?

Instead of getting a simple, painless vaccination of a drug which has been vetted by our best medical researchers for months? Because who told you it was a good idea? Governor deSantis?
Dr. Fauci said it was a good treatment.
Fauci urges hospitals to use more COVID-19 antibody treatments (https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/patient-safety-outcomes/fauci-urges-hospitals-to-use-more-covid-19-antibody-treatments.html)

[jimjamuser]

Thank you for responding to me. OK.....that makes sense that a person's physician is administering the third shot. Then they know your history and are aware if the person is imunocompromised. I surely hope people are not going to a pharmacy and telling the pharmacy this is their first shot when it is actually their third shot.
I am sure that somewhere in this LARGE country that someone has tried some clown trick like that. Vaccines are a GOOD thing, but too much of a good thing can become a BAD thing.

[jimjamuser]

I was not aware at all of the planned number of shots. Can you link me somewhere to read that ?

I apologize if I seemed snippy.....I also was not aware of the giving or Moderna boosters.

Thanks for the info
I don't think in terms of links. Sorry! I still have a reasonable memory. Dr. Hotez is on the NORMAL cable TV news programs about once every 3rd day. He is one of the world's best-known pediatric epidemiologists. He has consulted all over the globe. He has several books published. He is currently at Baylor U. That is enough information to get any link or information about him that would be needed. Hope that helps and please excuse my attitude. But, the link-o-mania on this forum has become a pet peeve of mine.

[lkagele]

What’s the Science underlying the anti body infusions being recommended by the Governor and administered seven days a week at the Barnstorm Theatre? Do people understand that the antibodies being administered come from other humans or even animals? Do they understand that in an “infusion” the medicine is administered they an IV in your arm and pumped into your bloodstream for an hour or so?

Instead of getting a simple, painless vaccination of a drug which has been vetted by our best medical researchers for months? Because who told you it was a good idea? Governor deSantis?

I think the difference is the vaccine is designed to prevent you from getting the virus. Regeneron is designed to fight the virus if you get it. The FDA has approved both methods of administering Regeneron as well as two (I think) other types of infusion therapy.

I'd like to ask if you'll refuse that treatment if you get sick because of DeSantis but we're not supposed to get political.

[lkagele]

Absolutely true. It is all BUNK! I have to laugh when people post links to obvious conspiracy theory websites and conspiracy theorists.

I really wish I knew how to get as smart as some of the posters on this site. I guess I need to give a couple of tablespoons of blood.

The title of his website is obviously tongue in cheek. Sorry you're unable to figure that out. Also sorry you seem so closed minded you consider anything contrarian as conspiracy. Whether I believe them or not, listening to the other side can give insight.

Serious question here. Just for my own edification, which sources should I be following to be assured it's the truth?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I really wish I knew how to get as smart as some of the posters on this site. I guess I need to give a couple of tablespoons of blood.

The title of his website is obviously tongue in cheek. Sorry you're unable to figure that out. Also sorry you seem so closed minded you consider anything contrarian as conspiracy. Whether I believe them or not, listening to the other side can give insight.

Serious question here. Just for my own edification, which sources should I be following to be assured it's the truth?

The "other side" is conspiracy. The side I'm on is science, fact, peer-reviewed double-blind tested on more than 20 blond-haired blue-eyed virgins plucked from their kitchens at the peak of health. The "other side" of "my" side is opinion, extrapolation, supposition, pretense, fiction.

The other side isn't something any sentient human being would want to listen to, except for possibly entertainment value.

[stanley]

I was not aware at all of the planned number of shots. Can you link me somewhere to read that ?

He never has and never will

[stanley]

They'll be testing for all sorts of stuff, before they approve me as a viable test candidate. Right now I'm just a potential candidate.



spec·i·men
/ˈspesəmən/
Learn to pronounce
noun
an individual animal, plant, piece of a mineral, etc., used as an example of its species or type for scientific study or display.
an example of something such as a product or piece of work, regarded as typical of its class or group.
a sample for medical testing, especially of urine.

You go girl!

[Bucco]

I really wish I knew how to get as smart as some of the posters on this site. I guess I need to give a couple of tablespoons of blood.

The title of his website is obviously tongue in cheek. Sorry you're unable to figure that out. Also sorry you seem so closed minded you consider anything contrarian as conspiracy. Whether I believe them or not, listening to the other side can give insight.

Serious question here. Just for my own edification, which sources should I be following to be assured it's the truth?

Not tongue in cheek at all.

The OP always delivers half baked conspiracy theories, actually the headline thought has circulated on a few extreme websites.

[lkagele]

The "other side" is conspiracy. The side I'm on is science, fact, peer-reviewed double-blind tested on more than 20 blond-haired blue-eyed virgins plucked from their kitchens at the peak of health. The "other side" of "my" side is opinion, extrapolation, supposition, pretense, fiction.

The other side isn't something any sentient human being would want to listen to, except for possibly entertainment value.

OK. I'll go with the 20 virgins. Who wouldn't?

[lkagele]

Not tongue in cheek at all.

The OP always delivers half baked conspiracy theories, actually the headline thought has circulated on a few extreme websites.

Well, not always. I don't mind reading 'out there' columns. I certainly don't entirely trust the government and am sorry if you do. How's this from one of his articles?

Corona is somewhat bad. In terms of mortality, it is the equivalent of a middle-of-the-road pandemic flu. Adjusting for age and obesity, it seems to be in the neighbourhood of the Hong Kong Flu of 1968/69. In other words, Corona is more deadly, but only because we have an older and fatter population.

Corona is dangerous, almost exclusively, to the old, the obese, and the already ill. Almost all deaths and serious cases happen in these very identifiable sub-populations. In children, Corona is less dangerous than influenza. The risk stratification of Corona is so extreme, that most people fail to understand their own risk. Almost everybody under 60 or 70 drastically overestimates the risk Corona poses to them.

Written before Delta took hold and sounds fairly accurate to me. Waiting for more data on Delta to see if it holds up.

[newgirl]

Would u rather it keep going to endless wars?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

spec·i·men
/ˈspesəmən/
Learn to pronounce
noun
an individual animal, plant, piece of a mineral, etc., used as an example of its species or type for scientific study or display.
an example of something such as a product or piece of work, regarded as typical of its class or group.
a sample for medical testing, especially of urine.

You go girl!

I'm definitely a specimen, but I don't need to be a candidate for a vaccine trial for that!

I also was going to use the term "human guinea pig" but worried someone might think that was some kind of derogative.

[LateBoomer]

and I'm ignoring the weekly "hysteric" posts about COVID. ..and the NYT? Zero credibility. They are a wholly-owned subsidiary of the DNC.

[jimjamuser]

Without referencing ANY one poster. Real men don't need links - and that is meant as a joke!

[stanley]

Without referencing ANY one poster. Real men don't need links - and that is meant as a joke!

Without referencing any one poster, I think you just insulted "him"

[Bucco]

Without referencing any one poster, I think you just insulted "him"

I am not easily insulted, but seems to me that “accepting as truth” with no links to support, in a venue that most posts are either made up or copy and pasted from “way out” websites, simply points that you are not here to discuss, but to pontificate. Of course I am speaking of those kind of subjects that are national and not Villages unique.

This forum was initially set up for discussion and we are told now that we must forgo the truth and accept whatever someone “says” is true, discussion cannot be held, at least not adult discussion. You are suggesting that DISINFORMATION become the norm……”I do not agree with that post”

[stanley]

I am not easily insulted, but seems to me that “accepting as truth” with no links to support, in a venue that most posts are either made up ..............

You are suggesting that DISINFORMATION become the norm……”I do not agree with that post”

First I never mentioned any names.
Second....no I'm not. Isn't it hypocritical to accept another's posts without links and accepting it as Gospel?

Case in point;
“accepting as truth” with no links to support, in a venue that most posts are either made up .............."

Again without mentioning any particular person, that is the norm and is accepted as fact, even to you

[Wyseguy]

Got keep the cash cow going. Maybe a booster every month would be better, o wait have about every week.

And now we have the mu variant waiting in the wings. The mu variant does not respond to the current vaccines. Peoples' trust in gov't (such as it is) gets eroded more and more every day. They must let us have access to all information. I understand they try to paint a pretty picture to increase the percentage of people getting the vaccine. When the public is told that the vaccine is the key to no masks, to concerts, public events. When we are told the effective rate is 97%, only to drop to 70 something, When we are told how breakthrough cases are very few (using June figures. July and August will show increased ineffectiveness). When we see that all of these statements had to be walked back, the people lose faith in what they are being told. On top of knowing that, everyone knows information from scientists and doctors are being censored. This has been handled poorly.

[Wyseguy]

The "other side" is conspiracy. The side I'm on is science, fact, peer-reviewed double-blind tested on more than 20 blond-haired blue-eyed virgins plucked from their kitchens at the peak of health. The "other side" of "my" side is opinion, extrapolation, supposition, pretense, fiction.

The other side isn't something any sentient human being would want to listen to, except for possibly entertainment value.

Kitchens, THAT is where they hide? It is important to sweat the small stuff. I remember hearing about Osama Bin Laden, after he was buried at sea. He opens his eyes (just go with it), looks around and sees many fish. Sturgeons. He smacks his head "I thought it was virgins"

[Bill14564]

And now we have the mu variant waiting in the wings. The mu variant does not respond to the current vaccines. Peoples' trust in gov't (such as it is) gets eroded more and more every day. They must let us have access to all information. I understand they try to paint a pretty picture to increase the percentage of people getting the vaccine. When the public is told that the vaccine is the key to no masks, to concerts, public events. When we are told the effective rate is 97%, only to drop to 70 something, When we are told how breakthrough cases are very few (using June figures. July and August will show increased ineffectiveness). When we see that all of these statements had to be walked back, the people lose faith in what they are being told. On top of knowing that, everyone knows information from scientists and doctors are being censored. This has been handled poorly.

When we want to believe in conspiracies we can find them.

[Wyseguy]

I am not easily insulted, but seems to me that “accepting as truth” with no links to support, in a venue that most posts are either made up or copy and pasted from “way out” websites, simply points that you are not here to discuss, but to pontificate. Of course I am speaking of those kind of subjects that are national and not Villages unique.

This forum was initially set up for discussion and we are told now that we must forgo the truth and accept whatever someone “says” is true, discussion cannot be held, at least not adult discussion. You are suggesting that DISINFORMATION become the norm……”I do not agree with that post”

"Disinformation" - false information which is intended to mislead, especially propaganda issued by a government organization to a rival power or the main media outlets.

[SkBlogW]

It IS startling to read the posts on here. You learn so much.

No boosters are available, and boosters (3rd shot) for Moderna appear heading for a delay.

How funny. The person who is always accusing others of lying or spreading misinformation makes a 100% wrong statement. :shocked:

[Bucco]

How funny. The person who is always accusing others of lying or spreading misinformation makes a 100% wrong statement. :shocked:

And who acknowledged his error and apologized in post 69

[Bucco]

First I never mentioned any names.
Second....no I'm not. Isn't it hypocritical to accept another's posts without links and accepting it as Gospel?

Case in point;
“accepting as truth” with no links to support, in a venue that most posts are either made up .............."

Again without mentioning any particular person, that is the norm and is accepted as fact, even to you

Sorry, post not intended for you directly.

I knew you were responding to jimjmuser about me and my reply was not clear, although......

[coffeebean]

I really wish I knew how to get as smart as some of the posters on this site. I guess I need to give a couple of tablespoons of blood.

The title of his website is obviously tongue in cheek. Sorry you're unable to figure that out. Also sorry you seem so closed minded you consider anything contrarian as conspiracy. Whether I believe them or not, listening to the other side can give insight.

Serious question here. Just for my own edification, which sources should I be following to be assured it's the truth?

Start with the CDC website. They have a host of information that is not full of conspiracy theories. I trust them.

[Bucco]

Start with the CDC website. They have a host of information that is not full of conspiracy theories. I trust them.

This deserves more than a hit on the LIKE button.

If folks would stay true to their word about becoming great, and respecting our own government instead of following and cheering for any crackpot theory that serves whatever doctrine they serve, we would be great.

This entire thing, from the get go was made into a P circus and for the last 18 months or so, elected officials, NOT FOLKS WHO HAVE SERVED THEIR LIFE IN THIS FIELD, led as if they have somehow concocted magical skills to determine the best route, with gain for the self’s as the main objective. We demonize folks who have given their life to the field, instead of cheering them on, and while they are not perfect or claim to be, we evidently still see P gain to be made.

Those who point out supposed errors are prepared to accept all the wrong doings from their elected officials…..that is ok…..but those who want to help sincerely are made a mockery off.

I do hope their is, in fact, Karma

[jimjamuser]

And now we have the mu variant waiting in the wings. The mu variant does not respond to the current vaccines. Peoples' trust in gov't (such as it is) gets eroded more and more every day. They must let us have access to all information. I understand they try to paint a pretty picture to increase the percentage of people getting the vaccine. When the public is told that the vaccine is the key to no masks, to concerts, public events. When we are told the effective rate is 97%, only to drop to 70 something, When we are told how breakthrough cases are very few (using June figures. July and August will show increased ineffectiveness). When we see that all of these statements had to be walked back, the people lose faith in what they are being told. On top of knowing that, everyone knows information from scientists and doctors are being censored. This has been handled poorly.
The effective rate of the Pfizer vaccine WAS 97% (or around that and over 90%) AGAINST THE ALPHA VARIANT. The around (?) 70% effective rate has to do with the WHOLE NEW, different animal - the DELTA variant. So, the 97 % number has been rendered to be useful for modern Historical purposes only to discuss the early variants. Life changes and each year it changes MORE rapidly (I will not say exponentially). Imagine the year 2170, which many grandchildren will live to see (barring nuclear winter) - how fast that will change! Since the word conservative means "prefers things staying the way they are or were for long periods of time", How can anyone "conserve" at all (for longer than 1 day) when things will possibly change at an exponential (defined as 10 X) rate ?

[jimjamuser]

Kitchens, THAT is where they hide? It is important to sweat the small stuff. I remember hearing about Osama Bin Laden, after he was buried at sea. He opens his eyes (just go with it), looks around and sees many fish. Sturgeons. He smacks his head "I thought it was virgins"
That IS a good story (joke). I will try to remember it. Do you have a link to it?

[jimjamuser]

"Disinformation" - false information which is intended to mislead, especially propaganda issued by a government organization to a rival power or the main media outlets.
I assume that we are talking Russian trolls and bots?

[jimjamuser]

How funny. The person who is always accusing others of lying or spreading misinformation makes a 100% wrong statement. :shocked:
"boosters" is a misnomer. And that info about Moderna is TRUE. They must re-submit their long, long report. Still, many Doctors expect about ONLY a 2-week delay.

[jimjamuser]

Start with the CDC website. They have a host of information that is not full of conspiracy theories. I trust them.
I trust them. I don't believe that The US
Government is basically BAD - the Russian Government may be (likely IS). I don't believe that anarchy or chaos IS a GOOD thing. I think that 95 % of Civil Servants are fine, upstanding, patriotic Americans! I have NO (zero) idea how the Proud Boys or similar groups can EVER RECRUIT EVEN one SINGLE American - that is WAY beyond me!!!!!!!!!!!!

[biker1]

Totally irrelevant. You can get the Moderna booster today and I know people who have. I would be going in today except it was recommended by my PCP to wait till December for my third shot.

"boosters" is a misnomer. And that info about Moderna is TRUE. They must re-submit their long, long report. Still, many Doctors expect about ONLY a 2-week delay.

[jimjamuser]

This deserves more than a hit on the LIKE button.

If folks would stay true to their word about becoming great, and respecting our own government instead of following and cheering for any crackpot theory that serves whatever doctrine they serve, we would be great.

This entire thing, from the get go was made into a P circus and for the last 18 months or so, elected officials, NOT FOLKS WHO HAVE SERVED THEIR LIFE IN THIS FIELD, led as if they have somehow concocted magical skills to determine the best route, with gain for the self’s as the main objective. We demonize folks who have given their life to the field, instead of cheering them on, and while they are not perfect or claim to be, we evidently still see P gain to be made.

Those who point out supposed errors are prepared to accept all the wrong doings from their elected officials…..that is ok…..but those who want to help sincerely are made a mockery off.

I do hope their is, in fact, Karma
I hit the like button for this post. I agree with the content.

[biker1]

Wow, you continue to be ignorant of even the most basic details. It is not an "effective rate", it is the efficacy. From the Phase 3 trials, it is the ratio of the number of breakthrough cases in the test group and the number of cases in the control group and represents a reduction in the probability of becoming infected if exposed. I am guessing you have no knowledge of basic statistics.

Exponential is not defined as 10x. Where do you get this nonsense from? An exponential function can be written as a^^x where "a" is the base, could be "e" or some other base, and "x" is the power. Seriously, if you don't know what you are talking about then don't say anything.


The effective rate of the Pfizer vaccine WAS 97% (or around that and over 90%) AGAINST THE ALPHA VARIANT. The around (?) 70% effective rate has to do with the WHOLE NEW, different animal - the DELTA variant. So, the 97 % number has been rendered to be useful for modern Historical purposes only to discuss the early variants. Life changes and each year it changes MORE rapidly (I will not say exponentially). Imagine the year 2170, which many grandchildren will live to see (barring nuclear winter) - how fast that will change! Since the word conservative means "prefers things staying the way they are or were for long periods of time", How can anyone "conserve" at all (for longer than 1 day) when things will possibly change at an exponential (defined as 10 X) rate ?

[jimjamuser]

Totally irrelevant. You can get the Moderna booster today and I know people who have. I would be going in today except it was recommended by my PCP to wait till December for my third shot.
The "so-called booster" that people are getting today in TV Land IS REALLY just a repeat of the construction medically as the 2nd shot. Please read my post about Dr. Hotez of Baylor U. Just Google him. The vaccine shot to be given in Dec will likely be 100% the same as the 3rd shot (called by some a "BOOSTER" given TODAY. It is possible that by Dec that it could be 97% the same as today's 3rd shot with just a slight TWEEK for the Delta variant or maybe the Mu? Things can change quickly these days.

[biker1]

We all know that. A distinction without a difference.

The "so-called booster" that people are getting today in TV Land IS REALLY just a repeat of the construction medically as the 2nd shot. Please read my post about Dr. Hotez of Baylor U. Just Google him. The vaccine shot to be given in Dec will likely be 100% the same as the 3rd shot (called by some a "BOOSTER" given TODAY. It is possible that by Dec that it could be 97% the same as today's 3rd shot with just a slight TWEEK for the Delta variant or maybe the Mu? Things can change quickly these days.

[Bill14564]

Totally irrelevant. You can get the Moderna booster today and I know people who have. I would be going in today except it was recommended by my PCP to wait till December for my third shot.

According to information on fda.gov the EUA for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines was amended "to allow for the use of an additional dose in certain immunocompromised individuals."

If doctors are administering third shots to just anyone they are disregarding the EUA.

If patients are falsely declaring that they meet the conditions of the EUA then they are lying.

These things happen.

[biker1]

So, what else is new? Actually, I am pretty sure most people in The Villages can make a case that they are immunocompromised.

According to information on fda.gov the EUA for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines was amended "to allow for the use of an additional dose in certain immunocompromised individuals."

If doctors are administering third shots to just anyone they are disregarding the EUA.

If patients are falsely declaring that they meet the conditions of the EUA then they are lying.

These things happen.

[jimjamuser]

Wow, you continue to be ignorant of even the most basic details. It is not an "effective rate", it is the efficacy. From the Phase 3 trials, it is the ratio of the number of breakthrough cases in the test group and the number of cases in the control group and represents a reduction in the probability of becoming infected if exposed. I am guessing you have no knowledge of basic statistics.

Exponential is not defined as 10x. Where do you get this nonsense from? An exponential function can be written as a^^x where "a" is the base, could be "e" or some other base, and "x" is the power. Seriously, if you don't know what you are talking about then don't say anything.
Yes, guilty as charged efficacy - not efficiency. MY Bad! I NEVER really cared what the exact definition of the 95% meant. To me, it meant that it worked the best ever of all developed vaccines. And the mRNA can form a BASIS for vaccines against other diseases - maybe even cancer!
And, actually, I took at least 2 statistics classes a long, long time ago in a far-away place.
And the 10 X was NEVER something that I really believed about the definition of exponential, which is just a greater than linear rise in the curve of a graph (or something like that). One poster (I forget who) yelled at me and got all-red-in-the-face because they said that "exponential" meant ten times (10 X). So, I was just continuing their ERROR, just for my personal amusement. I am surprised to be corrected, but I am glad and impressed!

[Bill14564]

So, what else is new? Actually, I am pretty sure most people in The Villages can make a case that they are immunocompromised.

"most" as in more than half? You really think the 130,000+ residents are truly that unwell?

"make a case" as in legitimately or more lying?

I would hope most people in The Villages are more honest than that (but I'm relatively new here).

[biker1]

Probably, depends on your definition of compromised - "most" is half plus 1. High blood pressure, diabetes, cancer survivor, bad cholesterol numbers, overweight, cardiac issues, breathing problems, etc. You get the picture. So, you are against people wanting to get an additional dose of the vaccine (assuming there is no medical reason for not getting the vaccine) prior to the inevitable FDA approval for a third dose ? Some people want to reduce their risk as much as possible because they are in the autumn of their lives. The vaccines are extremely effective at keeping you out of the hospital and alive. Don't be so judgmental of people you don't even know.

"most" as in more than half? You really think the 130,000+ residents are truly that unwell?

"make a case" as in legitimately or more lying?

I would hope most people in The Villages are more honest than that (but I'm relatively new here).

[Bill14564]

Probably, depends on your definition of compromised - "most" is half plus 1. High blood pressure, diabetes, cancer survivor, bad cholesterol numbers, overweight, etc. You get the picture. So, you are against people wanting to get an additional dose of the vaccine (assuming there is no medical reason for not getting the vaccine) prior to the inevitable FDA approval for a third dose ? The vaccines are extremely effective at keeping you out of the hospital and alive.

The EUA and the FDA have a rough definition of immunocompromised that likely doesn't include high blood pressure, diabetes, cholesterol numbers, overweight, or etc. These are health issues but are likely not conditions that render one immunocompromised. I use the word "likely" as I am not a doctor.

I am not against people wanting to get an additional dose, I am against people lying to get an additional dose.

[biker1]

Fine, you are against it. Anything else?

The EUA and the FDA have a rough definition of immunocompromised that likely doesn't include high blood pressure, diabetes, cholesterol numbers, overweight, or etc. These are health issues but are likely not conditions that render one immunocompromised. I use the word "likely" as I am not a doctor.

I am not against people wanting to get an additional dose, I am against people lying to get an additional dose.

[lkagele]

This deserves more than a hit on the LIKE button.

If folks would stay true to their word about becoming great, and respecting our own government instead of following and cheering for any crackpot theory that serves whatever doctrine they serve, we would be great.

This entire thing, from the get go was made into a P circus and for the last 18 months or so, elected officials, NOT FOLKS WHO HAVE SERVED THEIR LIFE IN THIS FIELD, led as if they have somehow concocted magical skills to determine the best route, with gain for the self’s as the main objective. We demonize folks who have given their life to the field, instead of cheering them on, and while they are not perfect or claim to be, we evidently still see P gain to be made.

Those who point out supposed errors are prepared to accept all the wrong doings from their elected officials…..that is ok…..but those who want to help sincerely are made a mockery off.

I do hope their is, in fact, Karma

Ok. How do you explain these headlines from one that has served his life in the field.

Fauci Says End to Pandemic In Sight - 11/20/20 - Prognosis
Fauci Predicts US Could See Signs of Herd Immunity by Late March or Early April - 12/15/20 - NPR
Fauci Gives Sunnier Outlook For End of Pandemic: US Will See 'Big, Big Difference' By Summer or Early Fall - 3/11/21 - Forbes
Fauci Says No End to COVID Pandemic before Spring 2022 - At the Earliest - 8/25/21 - Seattle Times
Top Scientist On New Report About Research In Chinese Labs: It’s ‘Clear’ Fauci Was ‘Untruthful’ - 9/7/21 - Daily Wire

And you tell us we're supposed to trust the government with advice coming from a guy like this. Oh yes. Let's cheer him on. Open your eyes and give us a break. This is all about power and control.

[John41]

Some posters seem to believe the booster is just another shot of the same vaccine. This is only certain now for those deemed to have compromised immunity. The booster when released for the rest of us might be the same, the same at a lower dose or one modified for the new variants. For those who want a link to the source just Google some of the text below.
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Is the booster just a third shot of the same vaccine?
We asked Johnson and Johnson, Moderna and Pfizer, the answer is both yes and no. That's because they have several boosters in the works.
Pfizer and Moderna are looking at offering a third dose, same as the first and second, while at the same time testing other ones engineered to specific variants.
Pfizer is currently evaluating a two-dose series separated by 21 days, and prototypes geared toward the Beta and Delta variants.
Moderna is evaluating their original formula given at different doses, specific variant options and a "multivalent platform, combining different variants into a single vaccine."
"The goal of the multivalent platform is to continue to try and stay ahead of where the virus is going by combining different antigens against emerging periods of concern," Moderna President Stephen Hoge said during an earnings call.