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[dewilson58]

This thread adds no value, but the thread on: US Mayors in Support of Critical Race Theory in Public K-12 Education

had to be the shortest life thread ever. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

One hell of a topic, but difficult to discuss within the site guidelines.

:posting:

[stanley]

This thread adds no value, but the thread on: US Mayors in Support of Critical Race Theory in Public K-12 Education

had to be the shortest life thread ever. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

One hell of a topic, but difficult to discuss within the site guidelines.

:posting:

Yep..6 replies....

[dewilson58]

Yep..6 replies....

What was the movie: a hot chic had a secret info tattoo on bald head???

Always think of it when u post.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

What was the movie: a hot chic had a secret info tattoo on bald head???

Always think of it when u post.

I always think of the book Jennifer Government. His avatar is similar in context with the book's cover.

[dewilson58]

I always think of the book Jennifer Government. His avatar is similar in context with the book's cover.

Hmmmm, made me look.......is the book any good (always looking) ???

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Hmmmm, made me look.......is the book any good (always looking) ???

It's amazing. And frightening, as the best dystopian novels tend to be.

[tophcfa]

This thread adds no value, but the thread on: US Mayors in Support of Critical Race Theory in Public K-12 Education

had to be the shortest life thread ever. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

One hell of a topic, but difficult to discuss within the site guidelines.

:posting:

Whatever happened to teaching useful stuff like science and math?

[dewilson58]

Whatever happened to teaching useful stuff like science and math?

I'm thinking I was part of the problem: My daughter played T-ball. Everyone got a hit. Most hits were homeruns. Everyone was a winner.

Is that where it all went wrong??.......Everyone is equal, Everyone is entitled, Everyone is _______. Today "I identify as".

I might be the cause.

[tophcfa]

I'm thinking I was part of the problem: My daughter played T-ball. Everyone got a hit. Most hits were homeruns. Everyone was a winner.

Is that where it all went wrong??.......Everyone is equal, Everyone is entitled, Everyone is _______. Today "I identify as".

I might be the cause.

Well, if you are in fact the cause, that wouldn’t make you very helpful now would it?

[dewilson58]

What was the movie: a hot chic had a secret info tattoo on bald head???

Always think of it when u post.

Okay.
Took me 1/2 hour.

Rush Hour 3

:)

[Kgcetm]

It seems that TOTV guidelines are designed to support an agenda which we have not been privy to see. I didn't see anything but respectful discourse and well stated in the few posts what were allowed. Guess it's hard to burn books in the day of electronic communication.
Took me 1/2 hour.

[graciegirl]

It seems that TOTV guidelines are designed to support an agenda which we have not been privy to see. I didn't see anything but respectful discourse and well stated in the few posts what were allowed. Guess it's hard to burn books in the day of electronic communication.
Took me 1/2 hour.

Yes.

It isn't about politics but it is. I can see that clearly.

[Bay Kid]

They don't teach history anymore so they need to fill the space.

[chenault55]

What was the movie: a hot chic had a secret info tattoo on bald head???

Always think of it when u post.
Blindspot?

[chenault55]

Blindspot?

Sorry, I wasn’t paying attention. You said movie not tv show, 🤭

[rlcooper70]

CRT: Important to start the narrative at 1619 (not 1964) and also important to hear the narrative from 1964 ff. Have to figure out how to integrate both.

[DaleDivine]

Whatever happened to teaching useful stuff like science and math?

They sure don't teach simple math anymore. Kids can't give change at retail and fast food joints. They can't tell time on an analog clock.
And making everyone a winner is actually making most of them losers.
:ohdear::ohdear:

[Dilligas]

This thread adds no value, but the thread on: US Mayors in Support of Critical Race Theory in Public K-12 Education

had to be the shortest life thread ever. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

One hell of a topic, but difficult to discuss within the site guidelines.

:posting:
Apparently racism is dying out in the schools, so they need to teach CRT so the kids know what it is

[Fredman]

I'm thinking I was part of the problem: My daughter played T-ball. Everyone got a hit. Most hits were homeruns. Everyone was a winner.

Is that where it all went wrong??.......Everyone is equal, Everyone is entitled, Everyone is _______. Today "I identify as".

I might be the cause.

Participation trophies don’t prepare youth for the realities of the real world.

[dewilson58]

Participation trophies don’t prepare youth for the realities of the real world.

Soon they will take away Grades in school........participate & pass.

[ProfessorDave]

The funny part - was not the concept - but that so many on this site actually thought it was real in the first place - rather than a couple of looney bins on the far left that got a bit of airtime. Speaking of looney tunes getting airtime - many on this site wrote about the huge threat coming - might be the same that still believe Mr. Pillow has the real truth. Same people - same extremism. Same sources of news.

[jammaiora]

Math and science are being taught, even though some don't believe in science ( Climate Change/Global Warming & importance of vaccines).

History is also important, even the parts that are or should be embarrassing to all of us!

Whatever happened to teaching useful stuff like science and math?

[jammaiora]

Based on your comments, you seem to be the cause of the problem but not the one you are rambling on about. You are the cause of spreading your narrow mindedness.



I'm thinking I was part of the problem: My daughter played T-ball. Everyone got a hit. Most hits were homeruns. Everyone was a winner.

Is that where it all went wrong??.......Everyone is equal, Everyone is entitled, Everyone is _______. Today "I identify as".

I might be the cause.

[coralway]

Whatever happened to teaching useful stuff like science and math?



What’s the point in that? Almost half of the adult (and I use that term very loosely) population doesn’t believe in science.

[golfing eagles]

Math and science are being taught, even though some don't believe in science ( Climate Change/Global Warming & importance of vaccines).

History is also important, even the parts that are or should be embarrassing to all of us!

History is important
Vaccines are science
"Global Warming" is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on the public, and I have explained the SCIENCE several times, you can look up my prior posts if you are interested in educating yourself.

[Luggage]

Federal and state guidelines are there because of some politicians decision on how to think, they are often backed up by threat of removal of money, very similar to mask mandates now which have very little to do with teaching . Your moderator this has nothing to do with politics just an explanation of how things work

[golfing eagles]

Based on your comments, you seem to be the cause of the problem but not the one you are rambling on about. You are the cause of spreading your narrow mindedness.

No, that poster is NOT the cause, the idiots that developed a system of "all winners" were, are, and will continue to be the problem

[manaboutown]

For whatever reasons many schools are ineffective at teaching English, history, science and mathematics. This is evidenced by abysmal student test scores. CRT which is a contrived attempt to produce excuses for lack of initiative and performance is not the answer, but sadly just adds to the problems.

[John41]

This thread adds no value, but the thread on: US Mayors in Support of Critical Race Theory in Public K-12 Education

had to be the shortest life thread ever. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

One hell of a topic, but difficult to discuss within the site guidelines.

:posting:

Here’s how US students rank in math and science compared to the rest of the world. CRT calls math and science tools of white privileged.
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Pew Research
How do U.S. students compare with their peers around the world? Recently released data from international math and science assessments indicate that U.S. students continue to rank around the middle of the pack, and behind many other advanced industrial nations.

One of the biggest cross-national tests is the Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA), which every three years measures reading ability, math and science literacy and other key skills among 15-year-olds in dozens of developed and developing countries. The most recent PISA results, from 2015, placed the U.S. an unimpressive 38th out of 71 countries in math and 24th in science. Among the 35 members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which sponsors the PISA initiative, the U.S. ranked 30th in math and 19th in science.

[golfing eagles]

Here’s how US students rank in math and science compared to the rest of the world. CRT calls math and science tools of white privileged.
——————-
Pew Research
How do U.S. students compare with their peers around the world? Recently released data from international math and science assessments indicate that U.S. students continue to rank around the middle of the pack, and behind many other advanced industrial nations.

One of the biggest cross-national tests is the Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA), which every three years measures reading ability, math and science literacy and other key skills among 15-year-olds in dozens of developed and developing countries. The most recent PISA results, from 2015, placed the U.S. an unimpressive 38th out of 71 countries in math and 24th in science. Among the 35 members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which sponsors the PISA initiative, the U.S. ranked 30th in math and 19th in science.

And I'm sure all those nations that ranked well above us are teaching "CRT" and hand out participation trophies:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[dewilson58]

Jus Reported:

Dr. Ben Carson warned about critical race theory Wednesday, telling a crowd in Loudoun County, Va., the controversial ideology threatened to reverse racial progress Americans made.

"Tremendous progress has been made, and this critical race theory is trying to erase that progress and send us back in the other direction – and we cannot allow that to happen," Carson said.

[dewilson58]

Mr. "Helpful" is a Misnomer!.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

It's okay Sheldon.


:clap2::clap2::clap2:

[Bucco]

If your truely care and want to undestand, not the strict policy which is not a lesson plan developed to be taught, but an understanding, but the birth of its politicization after being a fact for over 40 years this is a good read on how the term was established and then made an issue on Fox by TC.

How a Conservative Activist Invented the Conflict Over Critical Race Theory | The New Yorker (https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-inquiry/how-a-conservative-activist-invented-the-conflict-over-critical-race-theory)

A Quote from the article…..when discussing the birth of the term CRT, a new term for a decades old educational theory..

“He thought that the phrase was a better description of what conservatives were opposing, but it also seemed like a promising political weapon.”

Having been personally involved in the conservative movement for many years, THIS was never an issue and was always understood for what it meant. It was never known as an threat to anyone. This is a decades old theory now twisted to a political weapon.

[golfing eagles]

If your truely care and want to undestand, not the strict policy which is not a lesson plan developed to be taught, but an understanding, but the birth of its politicization after being a fact for over 40 years this is a good read on how the term was established and then made an issue on Fox by TC.

How a Conservative Activist Invented the Conflict Over Critical Race Theory | The New Yorker (https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-inquiry/how-a-conservative-activist-invented-the-conflict-over-critical-race-theory)

A Quote from the article…..when discussing the birth of the term CRT, a new term for a decades old educational theory..

“He thought that the phrase was a better description of what conservatives were opposing, but it also seemed like a promising political weapon.”

Personal opinion----Grade schools should go back to teaching "reading, 'riting, and 'rithmetic", with American history and science. Maybe there could be an elective on CRT in the senior year of high school, preferably listed at the bottom of the last page of the course catalogue.

[Bucco]

Personal opinion----Grade schools should go back to teaching "reading, 'riting, and 'rithmetic", with American history and science. Maybe there could be an elective on CRT in the senior year of high school, preferably listed at the bottom of the last page of the course catalogue.

You obviously do not understand of what you speak.

Again CRT is not a subject taught and time reserved for. I do not know, but doubt very much if it is even thought about at the level of schooling you mention. IT IS NOT A SEPARATE LESSON, although it is certainly possible that a senior high school teacher may elect to teach, NOT CRT, but American history as relates to racial divide.

Problem for me is how the concept has been fine and dandy for over 40 years, until someone found a way to make it political, and THAT you all seem just fine with.

[golfing eagles]

You obviously do not understand of what you speak.

Again CRT is not a subject taught and time reserved for. I do not know, but doubt very much if it is even thought about at the level of schooling you mention. IT IS NOT A SEPARATE LESSON, although it is certainly possible that a senior high school teacher may elect to teach, NOT CRT, but American history as relates to racial divide.

Problem for me is how the concept has been fine and dandy for over 40 years, until someone found a way to make it political, and THAT you all seem just fine with.

Thanks for pointing out that I don't know what I am talking about. I didn't realize that until you pointed that out. Gee whiz, golly gash darn it, I had to take a break from slopping the pigs to understand your point:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Back to reality. The pendulum is swinging too far, and I'm afraid there will eventually be push back that could be violent. History cannot be rewritten, teaching what happened 200 years ago should not be changed to suit those who still think that a certain group of Americans are "owed" something. My great, great, great, great grand father never owned another person, and even if he did, 200 years later I would have no "guilt" and I don't "owe" anybody one darned thing. The last thing we need in our schools and among our young is another excuse for underachievement.

[Bucco]

Thanks for pointing out that I don't know what I am talking about. I didn't realize that until you pointed that out. Gee whiz, golly gash darn it, I had to take a break from slopping the pigs to understand your point:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Back to reality. The pendulum is swinging too far, and I'm afraid there will eventually be push back that could be violent. History cannot be rewritten, teaching what happened 200 years ago should not be changed to suit those who still think that a certain group of Americans are "owed" something. My great, great, great, great grand father never owned another person, and even if he did, 200 years later I would have no "guilt" and I don't "owe" anybody one darned thing. The last thing we need in our schools and among our young is another excuse for underachievement.

I apologize if you were insulted. I simply was speaking to your presentation about young children and as if there was a time when kids are told….ok take out your crt books….or that it is even mentioned in any classroom.

A good example is when, in the 1930s, government officials literally drew lines around areas deemed poor financial risks, often explicitly due to the racial composition of inhabitants. Banks subsequently refused to offer mortgages to Black people in those areas.

Today, those same patterns of discrimination live on through facially race-blind policies, like single-family zoning that prevents the building of affordable housing in advantaged, majority-white neighborhoods and, thus, stymies racial desegregation efforts.

That needs to be understood in history to understand todays events.

Should you feel guilty….if you do, it is on you….and to your comment about “History cannot be rewritten, teaching what happened 200 years ago should not be changed to suit those who still think that a certain group of Americans are "owed" something. ”

Nobody at any time, except on the shows I mentioned that accept this as a political weapon, ever suggesting rewriting history, only to understand it and the times which any good student deserves and wants to know.

And finally, we agree….”I'm afraid there will eventually be push back that could be violent” I have felt this for the last few years and as a recent example…TODAY a quote regarding the vaccination plan….to “take to the streets” over the new plan….that from a Governor. While not related to CRT, it depicts what I think is happening with, in my opinion, a shadow government. Calling the shots and hoping for violence. THAT is simply my opinion, and I pray that it is stopped soon and abruptly. We hear the same comments from elected members of congress, who then get standing ovations.

Again, sorry you took my comments so personally, but o much misrepresentation is a true bother to me as in todays world, the temperatures go up…..the false information is absorbed and never forgotten and suddenly to so many, it is a fact.

[LianneMigiano]

Do you mean the science that many of you don't believe in?

[jimjamuser]

I'm thinking I was part of the problem: My daughter played T-ball. Everyone got a hit. Most hits were homeruns. Everyone was a winner.

Is that where it all went wrong??.......Everyone is equal, Everyone is entitled, Everyone is _______. Today "I identify as".

I might be the cause.
Everyone, regardless of gender, race, color, or economic status EQUALLY has just ONE vote as is the ideal of the US of A. So, a young impressionable GIRL seeing an EQUAL world in T-ball, does NOT strike me as TOO terrible. Plenty of time to MATURE and THEN be aware and UNDERSTAND the gray areas of why in practice the US has inequalities DESPITE its Constitution and laws that say otherwise. Young children and EVEN some ADULTS NEED unambiguous facts and situations. An immature mind (of any age) has problems with gray areas - actually, we all do - that is the power of half-truths and propaganda.
........As to "everyone being entitled".......I, personally, believe that real citizens of the US should be entitled to clean water, fresh air, freedom from hunger, and a roof over their heads (even if a tent or a dome building with a dirt floor)! This is because of ALL the rich RESOURCES that the US was blessed with - the great economy. In the 1950s (from which many of us have come) the US middle class was vibrant and alive with potential. All (whites) that wanted to work (not drink) had a VERY good solid paying job WITH A FUTURE! Today most parents know that their children's generation will NOT be as well off as they were.
I won't go into the differences between now and the 1950s because I could write a book about that. And I have in past posts. Thank you for indulging me and a good thread!

[Bucco]

Do you mean the science that many of you don't believe in?

Not sure If you are speaking to me, but a reminder….YOU learned the term from TC on FOX as a suggestion for a political weapon. THAT you believe in ?

[Jaydancer]

They sure don't teach simple math anymore. Kids can't give change at retail and fast food joints. They can't tell time on an analog clock.
And making everyone a winner is actually making most of them losers.
:ohdear::ohdear:

Very well stated. Sadly, that is exactly what it does and nothing else.

[Jokomo]

Whatever happened to teaching useful stuff like science and math?

Its pretty obvious Science hasnt been taught for several generations. And the history that has been taught has been full of omissions and outright distortions.

[golfing eagles]

I apologize if you were insulted. I simply was speaking to your presentation about young children and as if there was a time when kids are told….ok take out your crt books….or that it is even mentioned in any classroom.

A good example is when, in the 1930s, government officials literally drew lines around areas deemed poor financial risks, often explicitly due to the racial composition of inhabitants. Banks subsequently refused to offer mortgages to Black people in those areas.

Today, those same patterns of discrimination live on through facially race-blind policies, like single-family zoning that prevents the building of affordable housing in advantaged, majority-white neighborhoods and, thus, stymies racial desegregation efforts.

That needs to be understood in history to understand todays events.

Should you feel guilty….if you do, it is on you….and to your comment about “History cannot be rewritten, teaching what happened 200 years ago should not be changed to suit those who still think that a certain group of Americans are "owed" something. ”

Nobody at any time, except on the shows I mentioned that accept this as a political weapon, ever suggesting rewriting history, only to understand it and the times which any good student deserves and wants to know.

And finally, we agree….”I'm afraid there will eventually be push back that could be violent” I have felt this for the last few years and as a recent example…TODAY a quote regarding the vaccination plan….to “take to the streets” over the new plan….that from a Governor. While not related to CRT, it depicts what I think is happening with, in my opinion, a shadow government. Calling the shots and hoping for violence. THAT is simply my opinion, and I pray that it is stopped soon and abruptly. We hear the same comments from elected members of congress, who then get standing ovations.

Again, sorry you took my comments so personally, but o much misrepresentation is a true bother to me as in todays world, the temperatures go up…..the false information is absorbed and never forgotten and suddenly to so many, it is a fact.

No offense taken at all. I like to use hyperbole to emphasize a point

[Bucco]

Thanks for pointing out that I don't know what I am talking about. I didn't realize that until you pointed that out. Gee whiz, golly gash darn it, I had to take a break from slopping the pigs to understand your point:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Back to reality. The pendulum is swinging too far, and I'm afraid there will eventually be push back that could be violent. History cannot be rewritten, teaching what happened 200 years ago should not be changed to suit those who still think that a certain group of Americans are "owed" something. My great, great, great, great grand father never owned another person, and even if he did, 200 years later I would have no "guilt" and I don't "owe" anybody one darned thing. The last thing we need in our schools and among our young is another excuse for underachievement.

I think basically the pendulum is swinging only because folks I have already mentioned seem to spend their time instead of discussing how to improve our country and write a much richer history instead spend their time “inventing” better ways to weaponize political speak in order to push that pendulum.

[golfing eagles]

I think basically the pendulum is swinging only because folks I have already mentioned seem to spend their time instead of discussing how to improve our country and write a much richer history instead spend their time “inventing” better ways to weaponize political speak in order to push that pendulum.

You might very well be correct, but I hope not

[jimjamuser]

For whatever reasons many schools are ineffective at teaching English, history, science and mathematics. This is evidenced by abysmal student test scores. CRT which is a contrived attempt to produce excuses for lack of initiative and performance is not the answer, but sadly just adds to the problems.
The US could have good schools if the citizens were willing to pay the taxes to support schools. Historically South Korea did not have a country with many valuable raw materials, so they invested in their people - beginning with a good education. Now, they make automobiles to equal our own, just as one example. They also have a good movie-making industry.

[LateBoomer]

CRT was conceived by Marxists and racists, peddled by morons, to serve the political interests of one Party

[John41]

CRT was conceived by Marxists and racists, peddled by morons, to serve the political interests of one Party

Well said. I wonder how this divisive CRT concept spread faster than the delta virus all the way to the top brass who wanted to know about white rage. It reminds me of the period around WW2 when many Communists were uncovered in sensitive areas of government. It’s well know the CCP has infested education institutions, government and the media. And now the military is woke and military academies are teaching hate for America to our future soldiers. We do need a commission to investigate who our leaders are loyal to.

[jimjamuser]

Well said. I wonder how this divisive CRT concept spread faster than the delta virus all the way to the top brass who wanted to know about white rage. It reminds me of the period around WW2 when many Communists were uncovered in sensitive areas of government. It’s well know the CCP has infested education institutions, government and the media. And now the military is woke and military academies are teaching hate for America to our future soldiers. We do need a commission to investigate who our leaders are loyal to.
Somehow I see an opposite enemy........When someone always looks to the West - they would never see the real enemy sneaking up on them from the East - until it is too late. The US is getting later and later, I fear!

[Bucco]

CRT was conceived by Marxists and racists, peddled by morons, to serve the political interests of one Party

Hate to disappoint you...

“OiYan Poon, an associate professor with Colorado State University who studies race, education and intersectionality, said that opponents of critical race theory should try to learn about it from the original sources.

“If they did,” she said, “they would recognize that the founders of C.R.T. critiqued liberal ideologies, and that they called on research scholars to seek out and understand the roots of why racial disparities are so persistent, and to systemically dismantle racism.”[/B]

What is Critical Race Theory? A Brief History Explained - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/article/what-is-critical-race-theory.html)

Subsequently after about 40 years when it was very seldom discussed, until a president watched the TC show on Fox, where it was introduced as a political weapon. He tweeted his revulsion and suddenly it was discovered.

How a Conservative Activist Invented the Conflict Over Critical Race Theory | The New Yorker (https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-inquiry/how-a-conservative-activist-invented-the-conflict-over-critical-race-theory)

From the above link...

“it also seemed like a promising political weapon. ”

So maybe, you might want to return to history. Your source is very questionable