Mandate Those Shots

[dewilson58]

All employers with +99 employees.

OHSA, "employees in grave danger"??? Think not.

I support vaccinations, but not this way.

:popcorn:

[Bill14564]

Agree. I worry about the slippery slope - today it's vaccinations but what might it be tomorrow? Once the approach is used the first time it will be that much easier to use it again. It seems like I heard of this approach being considered for something a year or so ago but I can't remember what it was now.

[lgordon013]

While the mandate in itself is far reaching and disgusting the whole speech pitted those with vaccines vs. those without. There was no mention of those who had covid not needing a vaccine having better antibodies than those getting the vaccine nor was there any reference to talking to your own PCP. I'm convinced this party in power merely seeks to divide and conquer and unfortunately it is working. We have been blessed to live through the best part of this country's history.

[npwalters]

All employers with +99 employees.

OHSA, "employees in grave danger"??? Think not.

I support vaccinations, but not this way.

:popcorn:

We often disagree but I'm with you 100% on this one. Encourage and make it easy but do not mandate. It will be interesting to see what the courts say.

[stanley]

Follow what's happening in Australia.............. coming soon to a country near you.

[billethkid]

I support that like flu shots...those who want it get it....the rest consciously elect to risk getting the flu. It is their choice....they live with the results.

To get the virus vaccine or not unfortunately has been swept away from individual decisions to taking sides.

There are so many other things "mandated" in our lives by local, state, federal government, VCCD in TV, Deed restrictions in TV (and any where else), the draft, tax brackets, speed limits, et al.

When the vaccination is left to be voluntary then the results that follow should be acceptable as well.....hospitalizations, sickness and death of those not vaccinated.

Stop making it a big deal daily measurement.

It most certainly is not for those who choose to not get vaccinated!!

[mrf6969]

Take an hour out of your life and watch this video. It will completely explain what is happening in our country as Vaccine Mandate is just one of the vehicles:
Understanding the Culture with William Federer - YouTube (https://youtu.be/aOysMK5xK5c)

[Bonnevie]

I am all for it. Enough of the vaccinated cow towing to those who refuse to educate themselves. If people don't get vaccinated then we all may be in danger of another variant that the vaccines won't work against. That's a national health issue. we all needed certain vaccines to go to school, I fail to see the difference in requiring this one....it's just a certain group that have adopted this as a rallying cry. Many approaches have already been tried to coax these people to do the right thing....special lotteries, money incentives, etc. Quantas is the first airline that is going to require vaccination...I hope more follow. many businesses are already requiring them (or trying to, i.e. cruises). People have died because there are no ICU beds available because of the unvaccinated. Frankly, I'm with Howard Stern (who I rarely agree with) on this: Howard Stern tears into people who won’t get Covid vaccine:
‘When are we going to stop putting up with the idiots in this country?’

[Lottoguy]

Sometimes people need tough love. This is one of those times.

[golfing eagles]

I am all for it. Enough of the vaccinated cow towing to those who refuse to educate themselves. If people don't get vaccinated then we all may be in danger of another variant that the vaccines won't work against. That's a national health issue. we all needed certain vaccines to go to school, I fail to see the difference in requiring this one....it's just a certain group that have adopted this as a rallying cry. Many approaches have already been tried to coax these people to do the right thing....special lotteries, money incentives, etc. Quantas is the first airline that is going to require vaccination...I hope more follow. many businesses are already requiring them (or trying to, i.e. cruises). People have died because there are no ICU beds available because of the unvaccinated. Frankly, I'm with Howard Stern (who I rarely agree with) on this: Howard Stern tears into people who won’t get Covid vaccine:
‘When are we going to stop putting up with the idiots in this country?’

Never. We still put up with the idiots on this site, so the whole country????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[John Mayes]

All employers with +99 employees.

OHSA, "employees in grave danger"??? Think not.

I support vaccinations, but not this way.

:popcorn:

Agree 100% with you. This has “fast track to the USSC” written all over it.

[Koapaka]

Biden Exempts Over 600,000 USPS Workers From Federal Mandatory Vaccination Order | ZeroHedge (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/biden-exempts-over-600000-usps-workers-federal-mandatory-vaccination-order)

[b1ll649]

I am vaxed and according to the so called experts, I am protected from getting seriously ill from Covid. How are the unfaxed causing a danger to me and all the other 65% of the country who have also been vaxed? The millions who already had Covid and recovered have better imunity then I have so why should they get punished with needles needles or weekly tests? Also, what makes the postal workers so special? They come in contact with the majority of the country almost daily.

[Bonnevie]

I am vaxed and according to the so called experts, I am protected from getting seriously ill from Covid. How are the unfaxed causing a danger to me and all the other 65% of the country who have also been vaxed? The millions who already had Covid and recovered have better imunity then I have so why should they get punished with needles needles or weekly tests? Also, what makes the postal workers so special? They come in contact with the majority of the country almost daily. This president ad his administration is all about power and not the safety of Americans as he stated was his primary goal.

You may be currently well protected from getting covid as it stands now. However, this virus isn't static. it will continue to look for hosts so it can survive. and to do so it will mutate...if everyone had got the vaccine when they could, the delta variant wouldn't have had a chance to take hold like it's doing now. so as long as there are significant populations that refuse to get vaccinated, the virus will infect them and get better at doing it. and people should stop worrying about themselves and be at least a little concerned for the children unable to be vaccinated....while they may currently suffer less, there has been a surge in hospitalizations and children have died. the only way to end this nightmare is for everyone who is eligible to get vaccinated. as for usps it's USPS has a separate statutory scheme and is traditionally independent of federal personnel actions like this,” a Biden administration official said.
I don't know why...but USPS always had better health insurance rates than the rest of us federal employees which was also frustrating.

[Bill14564]

Biden Exempts Over 600,000 USPS Workers From Federal Mandatory Vaccination Order | ZeroHedge (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/biden-exempts-over-600000-usps-workers-federal-mandatory-vaccination-order)

Washington Post reporter corrects story on Postal Service exemption from Biden vaccine mandate (https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-reporter-postal-service-exemption-biden-vaccine-mandate)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I am vaxed and according to the so called experts, I am protected from getting seriously ill from Covid. How are the unfaxed causing a danger to me and all the other 65% of the country who have also been vaxed? The millions who already had Covid and recovered have better imunity then I have so why should they get punished with needles needles or weekly tests? Also, what makes the postal workers so special? They come in contact with the majority of the country almost daily.

It's not about you. It's about all the people - including children who CANNOT be vaccinated - who need protection from idiots who refuse to vaccinate or mask up.

Children under 12 at the present time cannot be vaccinated. They deserve to be protected, their families deserve to have their kids return to school and not continue isolating at home.

EVERYONE deserves to return to taking our masks off in close quarters. We can't do that if there's 25% of the population just flat out refusing to vaccinate.

There are people who want to vaccinate but can't, due to medical restrictions. They DESERVE to be protected without having to isolate indefinitely.

This isn't about you, your freedumz, your feelings, your wants, your interests. It's about We the People and our right to LIFE, LIBERTY, and the Pursuit of happiness. We can't enjoy any of those three things, as long as people refuse to even TRY protecting each other. When people -refuse- to vaccinate, they are stepping on -my- rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They're stepping on your rights, they're stepping on everyone's rights.

The sooner we get everyone who *can* be vaccinated, vaccinated, the sooner we can return to our usual rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. You know, those rights and freedoms that everyone whines about being taken away from them when someone tells them to put on the damned mask and get the damned jab already.

[davem4616]

and to think that at one time I thought "1984" was a book of fiction

[stanley]

It's not about you. It's about all the people - including children who CANNOT be vaccinated - who need protection from idiots who refuse to vaccinate or mask up.

Children under 12 at the present time cannot be vaccinated. They deserve to be protected, their families deserve to have their kids return to school and not continue isolating at home.

EVERYONE deserves to return to taking our masks off in close quarters. We can't do that if there's 25% of the population just flat out refusing to vaccinate.

There are people who want to vaccinate but can't, due to medical restrictions. They DESERVE to be protected without having to isolate indefinitely.

This isn't about you, your freedumz, your feelings, your wants, your interests. It's about We the People and our right to LIFE, LIBERTY, and the Pursuit of happiness. We can't enjoy any of those three things, as long as people refuse to even TRY protecting each other. When people -refuse- to vaccinate, they are stepping on -my- rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They're stepping on your rights, they're stepping on everyone's rights.

The sooner we get everyone who *can* be vaccinated, vaccinated, the sooner we can return to our usual rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. You know, those rights and freedoms that everyone whines about being taken away from them when someone tells them to put on the damned mask and get the damned jab already.

I disagree with the contents of this post

[justjim]

While the mandate in itself is far reaching and disgusting the whole speech pitted those with vaccines vs. those without. There was no mention of those who had covid not needing a vaccine having better antibodies than those getting the vaccine nor was there any reference to talking to your own PCP. I'm convinced this party in power merely seeks to divide and conquer and unfortunately it is working. We have been blessed to live through the best part of this country's history.

I see no problem with mandated Covid vaccines except for religious or health reasons. I don’t know about you but I tired of people making Covid 19, vaccines, and masks a political issue. It’s a public health issue period and final. We are all in this together. Put down the gloves and stick up your arms for a shot to save lives.

[golfing eagles]

It's not about you. It's about all the people - including children who CANNOT be vaccinated - who need protection from idiots who refuse to vaccinate or mask up.

Children under 12 at the present time cannot be vaccinated. They deserve to be protected, their families deserve to have their kids return to school and not continue isolating at home.

EVERYONE deserves to return to taking our masks off in close quarters. We can't do that if there's 25% of the population just flat out refusing to vaccinate.

There are people who want to vaccinate but can't, due to medical restrictions. They DESERVE to be protected without having to isolate indefinitely.

This isn't about you, your freedumz, your feelings, your wants, your interests. It's about We the People and our right to LIFE, LIBERTY, and the Pursuit of happiness. We can't enjoy any of those three things, as long as people refuse to even TRY protecting each other. When people -refuse- to vaccinate, they are stepping on -my- rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They're stepping on your rights, they're stepping on everyone's rights.

The sooner we get everyone who *can* be vaccinated, vaccinated, the sooner we can return to our usual rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. You know, those rights and freedoms that everyone whines about being taken away from them when someone tells them to put on the damned mask and get the damned jab already.

I agree with your points about vaccination, mostly because of the children who as a group cannot be vaccinated yet. As far as those with medical issues that preclude vaccination, I don't think we can make policy for everyone based on less than 1% of the population.
As far as masks go, even though they are the "poster children" of this pandemic, they are very limited in their utility, and at this point really only serve to protect the unvaccinated from the unvaccinated. Yes, yes, I know there is a small percentage of vaccinated that can contract and spread COVID, but the likelihood of vaccinated to vaccinated transmission is pretty close to nothing. therefore, I only wear a mask if required, or if there is a possibility of children under 12 around. Those that refuse vaccination can take their chances, rotsa ruck.

[justjim]

It's not about you. It's about all the people - including children who CANNOT be vaccinated - who need protection from idiots who refuse to vaccinate or mask up.

Children under 12 at the present time cannot be vaccinated. They deserve to be protected, their families deserve to have their kids return to school and not continue isolating at home.

EVERYONE deserves to return to taking our masks off in close quarters. We can't do that if there's 25% of the population just flat out refusing to vaccinate.

There are people who want to vaccinate but can't, due to medical restrictions. They DESERVE to be protected without having to isolate indefinitely.

This isn't about you, your freedumz, your feelings, your wants, your interests. It's about We the People and our right to LIFE, LIBERTY, and the Pursuit of happiness. We can't enjoy any of those three things, as long as people refuse to even TRY protecting each other. When people -refuse- to vaccinate, they are stepping on -my- rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They're stepping on your rights, they're stepping on everyone's rights.

The sooner we get everyone who *can* be vaccinated, vaccinated, the sooner we can return to our usual rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. You know, those rights and freedoms that everyone whines about being taken away from them when someone tells them to put on the damned mask and get the damned jab already.

Your post is spot on and makes common sense. I know it’s the word “mandate” that gets some people back up. I understand but occasionally we are called to do something for the better good and that is what taking the Covid vaccine is all about.

[coffeebean]

Agree. I worry about the slippery slope - today it's vaccinations but what might it be tomorrow? Once the approach is used the first time it will be that much easier to use it again. It seems like I heard of this approach being considered for something a year or so ago but I can't remember what it was now.

Vaccinations have been mandatory before. This is not a first. What about mandatory vaccines for International travel? How about mandatory vaccines for children to attend school? It’s been done before. Why is the Covid vaccine any different?

I’m glad these vaccines are mandatory. Maybe we can get a handle on this virus.

[Blueblaze]

Mandatory gene manipulation.

Wow. Did you ever think you'd live to see the day when it was illegal to refuse to let the government re-wire your genes?

I'm an old man with asthma. I don't care if my covid shots make me sterile or deform my future offspring -- I'm done breeding. I got the shots. But is it so bad to give young people the choice to not have their genes manipulated?

We're not talking about the Black Death or Ebola. We're talking about a cold virus that about 0.4% of the time progresses to pneumonia.

And we're talking about a vaccine that intentionally manipulates your genes to produce a foreign protein for your immune system to react to.

Maybe that's completely safe. But before we commit the next two generations of human beings to this experiment, wouldn't it be wise to leave at least a few people UN-altered, just in case?

[drducat]

All employers with +99 employees.

OHSA, "employees in grave danger"??? Think not.

I support vaccinations, but not this way.

:popcorn:


It is always best to hog tie and jab, versus the normal way of doing this sort of thing.....Gee this has never been tried before has it.

Those that agree with forced vax...should remember to stop when the Qtip hits resistance.:icon_wink::icon_wink::icon_wink:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Your post is spot on and makes common sense. I know it’s the word “mandate” that gets some people back up. I understand but occasionally we are called to do something for the better good and that is what taking the Covid vaccine is all about.

Mandates shouldn't be necessary. People should be WANTING to vaccinate. This is a changed world we live in, where there are small groups of people who propagate lies about medicine, and those who believe those lies. As a result, we see a significant minority who refuse and reject the vaccines. If this was an insignificant minority I'd say "live and let die" and not give another thought to it.

[drducat]

I agree with your points about vaccination, mostly because of the children who as a group cannot be vaccinated yet. As far as those with medical issues that preclude vaccination, I don't think we can make policy for everyone based on less than 1% of the population.
As far as masks go, even though they are the "poster children" of this pandemic, they are very limited in their utility, and at this point really only serve to protect the unvaccinated from the unvaccinated. Yes, yes, I know there is a small percentage of vaccinated that can contract and spread COVID, but the likelihood of vaccinated to vaccinated transmission is pretty close to nothing. therefore, I only wear a mask if required, or if there is a possibility of children under 12 around. Those that refuse vaccination can take their chances, rotsa ruck.

This never was a vaccine.......so that is why the CDC on Sept. 1 2021 changed the definition...as I said all along.....only a band-aid.....Gives primary protection only...just stops some symptoms....Herd immunity will be achieved once the thousands of cold viruses have reached that point......aint gonna happen......how many more lies can be swallowed??
:shocked:

[drducat]

Mandates shouldn't be necessary. People should be WANTING to vaccinate. This is a changed world we live in, where there are small groups of people who propagate lies about medicine, and those who believe those lies. As a result, we see a significant minority who refuse and reject the vaccines. If this was an insignificant minority I'd say "live and let die" and not give another thought to it.

When a vaccine is made everyone will take it...not this stuff that is being peddled.

[coffeebean]

Never. We still put up with the idiots on this site, so the whole country????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Just like the vaccines, there will never be 100% compliance but we can certainly do everything possible to get it done.

[Bill14564]

Mandatory gene manipulation.

Wow. Did you ever think you'd live to see the day when it was illegal to refuse to let the government re-wire your genes?

I'm an old man with asthma. I don't care if my covid shots make me sterile or deform my future offspring -- I'm done breeding. I got the shots. But is it so bad to give young people the choice to not have their genes manipulated?

We're not talking about the Black Death or Ebola. We're talking about a cold virus that about 0.4% of the time progresses to pneumonia.

And we're talking about a vaccine that intentionally manipulates your genes to produce a foreign protein for your immune system to react to.

Maybe that's completely safe. But before we commit the next two generations of human beings to this experiment, wouldn't it be wise to leave at least a few people UN-altered, just in case?

Not gene manipulation.
Doesn't re-wire your genes.
Doesn't manipulate anyone's genes.

isn't even illegal to refuse the vaccine. For the Fed employees it seems to be a requirement to work. For the rest of the US it is a requirement levied on the employer if they have more than 99 employees and comes with an option for testing.

While it may progress to pneumonia in 0.4% of the cases (I didn't look that up) it DOES progress to death in a little over 1% of the cases (need to recalculate after the current surge is over). Plus, the vaccine not only saves my life but it protects others, avoids over-utilization of health-care resources, and allows the economy to remain open.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

This never was a vaccine.......so that is why the CDC on Sept. 1 2021 changed the definition...as I said all along.....only a band-aid.....Gives primary protection only...just stops some symptoms....Herd immunity will be achieved once the thousands of cold viruses have reached that point......aint gonna happen......how many more lies can be swallowed??
:shocked:

Sars-2 is not a cold virus. Both sars-2 and the various rhinoviruses that make up the term "common cold" are all coronaviruses.

You pretend to be someone who knows about medicine, but apparently you are either missing a few facts, or you're intentionally ignoring them.

Let's try word comparisons:

Sars-2 is to rhinovirus like Chevy Malibu is to Ford Fusion. Both are motor vehicles. Both fall into the same category of motor vehicles - the sedan. They get similar MPG, they're in similar price categories, and have similar options.

Sars-2 and rhinovirus are both viruses fall into the same category: coronaviruses. They share some similar potential symptoms, and spread in similar ways - via moisture droplets. But just like a Chevy is not and never will be a Ford, Sars-2 is not and never will be a rhinovirus.


Hope that helps you.

[jbartle1]

All employers with +99 employees.

OHSA, "employees in grave danger"??? Think not.

I support vaccinations, but not this way.

:popcorn:

Reminder: polio Vax. No problem, but not the "p" word and folks actually were concerned about their children and others.

[coffeebean]

I disagree with the contents of this post

You can disagree all you like. Fact is we have MANDATES for the vaccine. Thank goodness!!!!!

More to come. Stay tuned.

[Bonnevie]

When a vaccine is made everyone will take it...not this stuff that is being peddled.

Oh for goodness sake. Even the governor of West Virginia has had it with the outrageous vaccine rumors. As he pointed out there are people who think it will implant a tracker in them but they take a cell phone with them everywhere. This vaccine has been proven to save lives…

[Bonnevie]

My body, my choice! Isn't that a slogan for the political party currently in power?

Wait, err, ahh...

So it's not my body my choice?

Wait, err, ahh...

Apparently you didn’t go to elementary school? Because those of us who did had to get mandated vaccines.

[Bonnevie]

and to think that at one time I thought "1984" was a book of fiction

Well, why aren’t you as concerned about our governor usurping local governments and school boards? That seems way more autocratic.

[stanley]

You can disagree all you like. Fact is we have MANDATES for the vaccine. Thank goodness!!!!!

More to come. Stay tuned.

Fact is it's not a fact yet.

[golfing eagles]

This never was a vaccine.......so that is why the CDC on Sept. 1 2021 changed the definition...as I said all along.....only a band-aid.....Gives primary protection only...just stops some symptoms....Herd immunity will be achieved once the thousands of cold viruses have reached that point......aint gonna happen......how many more lies can be swallowed??
:shocked:

Do I really have to re-post the dictionary definition of a vaccine AGAIN????
Well, I'm not going to. Very simply, IT IS A VACCINE.

Now, I have no idea what the "dr" in that user name represents, but clearly by virtue of content it has absolutely nothing to do with medicine.

[golfing eagles]

Mandatory gene manipulation.

Wow. Did you ever think you'd live to see the day when it was illegal to refuse to let the government re-wire your genes?

I'm an old man with asthma. I don't care if my covid shots make me sterile or deform my future offspring -- I'm done breeding. I got the shots. But is it so bad to give young people the choice to not have their genes manipulated?

We're not talking about the Black Death or Ebola. We're talking about a cold virus that about 0.4% of the time progresses to pneumonia.

And we're talking about a vaccine that intentionally manipulates your genes to produce a foreign protein for your immune system to react to.

Maybe that's completely safe. But before we commit the next two generations of human beings to this experiment, wouldn't it be wise to leave at least a few people UN-altered, just in case?

I see this idiotic theme getting repeated on this thread as well.

Oh well, let's re-post from the other thread:

OK, time for remedial genetics 101:

A gene is a sequence of DNA that resides at a specific location on a chromosome and codes for a single protein/enzyme. We have over 100,000 of these genes, and they are separated by sequences of DNA that we do not fully understand, called intercalated DNA. The DNA, when needed to produce its end product, gets "unzipped" by a specific enzyme (RNA polymerase) and transcribes its code to a template known as mRNA. The mRNA then exits the nucleus of the cell, enters the cytoplasm and a ribosome finds it and copies the mRNA to its invers, tRNA. The tRNA then assembles amino acids into a protein chain according to the code.

Follow so far?????

The mRNA vaccines simply enter cells and their code gets translated on ribosomes via the same mechanism to its end product, which in this case is the spike protein of the COVID virus.

IT DOES NOT TOUCH YOUR DNA, IT DOES NOT ALTER ANY GENES, IT SIMPLY ACTS LIKE YOUR OWN mRNA. CLEAR ENOUGH?

[JMintzer]

Vaccinations have been mandatory before. This is not a first. What about mandatory vaccines for International travel? How about mandatory vaccines for children to attend school? It’s been done before. Why is the Covid vaccine any different?

I’m glad these vaccines are mandatory. Maybe we can get a handle on this virus.

Vaccines for international travel are required by the country you're visiting...

Anti-vax parents have been a huge thing for decades...

[JMintzer]

Mandates shouldn't be necessary. People should be WANTING to vaccinate. This is a changed world we live in, where there are small groups of people who propagate lies about medicine, and those who believe those lies. As a result, we see a significant minority who refuse and reject the vaccines. If this was an insignificant minority I'd say "live and let die" and not give another thought to it.

Sadly, those promoting the vaccine have lied , as well...

There has been a horrible job of messaging...

[Toymeister]

Apparently you didn’t go to elementary school? Because those of us who did had to get mandated vaccines.

Apparently you are not aware that elementary school is attended by minors and that minors do not make their own choices.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Sadly, those promoting the vaccine have lied , as well...

There has been a horrible job of messaging...

The people who you NEED to listen to, who have been promoting the vaccine, have been wrong at times. They've also learned more as time passed, facts that they didn't have when they came to their initial opinions and guidelines. Science evolves as the human species learns more about it. Where once the treatment for a brain tumor was drilling the skull to let the "bad humors escape," we have learned more about surgery, chemo, radiation. Where once our ancestors might have died from scurvy, we now know about the wonders of vitamin C.

So yes - there's been difficulty getting the message across from the people who we SHOULD be listening to.

But there are people who we should NOT be listening to, making a whole lot of noise and pushing an anti-vax, covid-hoax agenda. Most of these people are easily sussed out, however there are too many people who want to believe fiction, because it's inconvenient for them to believe truth.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Apparently you are not aware that elementary school is attended by minors and that minors do not make their own choices.

Parents are not required by law to send their children to public school. Their attendance is not mandatory. Any parent who has a problem with the teachers being mandated to vaccinate, and their children to wear masks, are absolutely welcome, and allowed by law, to withdraw their child from public school and find another method of educating their kids.

[drducat]

Do I really have to re-post the dictionary definition of a vaccine AGAIN????
Well, I'm not going to. Very simply, IT IS A VACCINE.

Now, I have no idea what the "dr" in that user name represents, but clearly by virtue of content it has absolutely nothing to do with medicine.

And the new dictionary definition is??? It changed...thought everyone was following and doing what the CDC offers up.....they changed the definition on Sept 1 where has everyone been??? golfing??

[golfing eagles]

And the new dictionary definition is??? It changed...thought everyone was following and doing what the CDC offers up.....they changed the definition on Sept 1 where has everyone been??? golfing??

Yes, they changed it slightly. As of sept. 1 the definition of a vaccine according to the CDC is:

The CDC’s definition changed from “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease” to the current “a preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.”

Therefore, the current mRNA preparations are VACCINES

PS: Where have you been?????

[drducat]

Yes, they changed it slightly. As of sept. 1 the definition of a vaccine according to the CDC is:

The CDC’s definition changed from “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease” to the current “a preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.”

Therefore, the current mRNA preparations are VACCINES

PS: Where have you been?????


And??? Not what was said earlier right?

At any rate......The current vaccines that are available are still not approved...The approved BioNTech is not being produced yet...So the Mandate if any..... are for Pfizer...Only approved for emergency use still.

So everyone is ok with forced injection of an experimental substance???


Also these only produce toxic spike proteins by the trillions in your body where only a fraction of your immunity is triggered...this is why the short term immunity.....By the time your over the side affects...you need a booster.....on and on......If this is your science please go away.

[vb993]

Most of the people that are arriving at hospitals with severe Covid symptoms are unvaccinated. I say, to those who refuse to wear masks, and refuse to get vaccines, I say stay the H_E_l_L away from me. You can have clown car parades all you want, but don't come near me with your covid infections.

[coffeebean]

Fact is it's not a fact yet.

There have already been vaccine mandates in effect.

[Tblue]

Using the President own numbers last night I believe he said 80 million are unvaccinated, roughly 25% of the nation. So does that mean 75% are vaccinated? Many may recall herd immunity was the answer long before the vaccine. Many may also recall back then herd immunity was around 65%-%70. At 75% vaccinated we have achieved it. I forgot about the 100 million or so that have had this virus and have natural immunity. My point of the posting here is, maybe the argument should be not be vaccinated vs non vaccinated but should be immunity vs no immunity. I personally have a little mistrust for those in authority who put out facts and figures, masks are needed, opps no masks, opps masks again maybe 2 or 3 masks. I still listen to those in authority, but listen with much more skepticism.

[npwalters]

I am all for it. Enough of the vaccinated cow towing to those who refuse to educate themselves. If people don't get vaccinated then we all may be in danger of another variant that the vaccines won't work against. That's a national health issue. we all needed certain vaccines to go to school, I fail to see the difference in requiring this one....it's just a certain group that have adopted this as a rallying cry. Many approaches have already been tried to coax these people to do the right thing....special lotteries, money incentives, etc. Quantas is the first airline that is going to require vaccination...I hope more follow. many businesses are already requiring them (or trying to, i.e. cruises). People have died because there are no ICU beds available because of the unvaccinated. Frankly, I'm with Howard Stern (who I rarely agree with) on this: Howard Stern tears into people who won’t get Covid vaccine:
‘When are we going to stop putting up with the idiots in this country?’

Yes! Lets stop those idiots from hauling cows! Stand up for bovine rights.

kow·tow
/ˌkouˈtou/
verb
1.
act in an excessively subservient manner.
"she didn't have to kowtow to a boss"

[golfing eagles]

And??? Not what was said earlier right?

At any rate......The current vaccines that are available are still not approved...The approved BioNTech is not being produced yet...So the Mandate if any..... are for Pfizer...Only approved for emergency use still.

So everyone is ok with forced injection of an experimental substance???


Also these only produce toxic spike proteins by the trillions in your body where only a fraction of your immunity is triggered...this is why the short term immunity.....By the time your over the side affects...you need a booster.....on and on......If this is your science please go away.

Yes, EXACTLY what I said earlier, IT IS A VACCINE, and it is NOT experimental

Unfortunately, I can't educate anyone who refuses to learn, so I give up.

[Bonnevie]

Apparently you are not aware that elementary school is attended by minors and that minors do not make their own choices.

doesn't change the fact that the vaccines are mandated. from the CDC: State and local vaccination requirements for daycare and school entry are important tools for maintaining high vaccination coverage rates, and in turn, lower rates of vaccine-preventable diseases (VPDs).

State laws establish vaccination requirements for school children. These laws often apply not only to children attending public schools but also to those attending private schools and day care facilities. All states provide medical exemptions, and some state laws also offer exemptions for religious and/or philosophical reasons. State laws also establish mechanisms for enforcement of school vaccination requirements and exemptions.

so there's precedent for vaccinations. hopefully, Biden's plan for work place compliance will get a large number of parents at least vaccinated. it's so extremely sad to read about cases like the 4 year old in TX who died from Covid and likely caught it from other family members who were eligible for the vaccine but chose not to get it.

[Bonnevie]

Using the President own numbers last night I believe he said 80 million are unvaccinated, roughly 25% of the nation. So does that mean 75% are vaccinated? Many may recall herd immunity was the answer long before the vaccine. Many may also recall back then herd immunity was around 65%-%70. At 75% vaccinated we have achieved it. I forgot about the 100 million or so that have had this virus and have natural immunity. My point of the posting here is, maybe the argument should be not be vaccinated vs non vaccinated but should be immunity vs no immunity. I personally have a little mistrust for those in authority who put out facts and figures, masks are needed, opps no masks, opps masks again maybe 2 or 3 masks. I still listen to those in authority, but listen with much more skepticism.

except that without every one getting vaccinated there may be no long term immunity. as long as the virus finds a host to replicate in there will be variants and eventually it will find a way around the vaccine. it's a race to shut down the available hosts before the vaccine mutates and does that. this country was in the position of seeing how the delta variant spread in places where initial success had been. how it spread thru the unvaccinated. had the US been able to get more people vaccinated we may have fared far better...instead it was just a repeat of what was seen elsewhere like the UK.

[Koapaka]

The CDC says vaccine protection is tumbling for older Americans, though they still work very well for younger people (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/the-cdc-says-vaccine-protection-is-tumbling-for-older-americans-though-they-still-work-very-well-for-younger-people/ar-AAOiUK1?ocid=msedgntp)

[golfing eagles]

The CDC says vaccine protection is tumbling for older Americans, though they still work very well for younger people (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/the-cdc-says-vaccine-protection-is-tumbling-for-older-americans-though-they-still-work-very-well-for-younger-people/ar-AAOiUK1?ocid=msedgntp)

No surprise whatsoever. The older we get, the weaker our immune systems become. Then add to that the fact that "older" Americans were among the first to get vaccinated and therefore will be the first to lose immunity from the vaccine.

[coffeebean]

And the new dictionary definition is??? It changed...thought everyone was following and doing what the CDC offers up.....they changed the definition on Sept 1 where has everyone been??? golfing??

The CDC's revised definition of "vaccine" and "vaccination" seems fair enough.........

Access Denied (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254111268.html)

[coffeebean]

Yes, EXACTLY what I said earlier, IT IS A VACCINE, and it is NOT experimental

Unfortunately, I can't educate anyone who refuses to learn, so I give up.

GE......please don't give up. If you can get through to just one person who has been programmed to believe the misinformation, you will have done a great service to everyone.

[golfing eagles]

The CDC's revised definition of "vaccine" and "vaccination" seems fair enough.........

Access Denied (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254111268.html)

The definition is fine. Some people (not you obviously) have no idea how to interpret it.

[golfing eagles]

GE......please don't give up. If you can get through to just one person who has been programmed to believe the misinformation, you will have done a great service to everyone.

Unfortunately, some people are just too far gone. It's like triage in the ER after a disaster---you don't waste time treating those that won't make it anyway.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Using the President own numbers last night I believe he said 80 million are unvaccinated, roughly 25% of the nation. So does that mean 75% are vaccinated? Many may recall herd immunity was the answer long before the vaccine. Many may also recall back then herd immunity was around 65%-%70. At 75% vaccinated we have achieved it. I forgot about the 100 million or so that have had this virus and have natural immunity. My point of the posting here is, maybe the argument should be not be vaccinated vs non vaccinated but should be immunity vs no immunity. I personally have a little mistrust for those in authority who put out facts and figures, masks are needed, opps no masks, opps masks again maybe 2 or 3 masks. I still listen to those in authority, but listen with much more skepticism.

1. Context is everything. The 80 million is in reference to the people who -can- be vaccinated. Not the total number of people. Children under 12 -cannot- presently be vaccinated and aren't counted among the 80 million people who aren't vaccinated. Neither are people who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons (such as my sister). 25% of the "people who CAN vaccinate" are not vaccinated. There are millions of people who CANNOT vaccinate. So that means millions more than 25% of the total population is not vaccinated.

2. We don't know what the % for the total population to be vaccinated will constitute herd immunity with COVID-19. We obviously haven't reached it yet. For the measles, herd immunity means 95% of the total population. The percentage varies from disease to disease.

[drducat]

1. Context is everything. The 80 million is in reference to the people who -can- be vaccinated. Not the total number of people. Children under 12 -cannot- presently be vaccinated and aren't counted among the 80 million people who aren't vaccinated. Neither are people who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons (such as my sister). 25% of the "people who CAN vaccinate" are not vaccinated. There are millions of people who CANNOT vaccinate. So that means millions more than 25% of the total population is not vaccinated.

2. We don't know what the % for the total population to be vaccinated will constitute herd immunity with COVID-19. We obviously haven't reached it yet. For the measles, herd immunity means 95% of the total population. The percentage varies from disease to disease.

For sure herd immunity will never be reached and that is NEVER.

Also, the mandates are all almost dead already.....all coming to an end soon.

[golfing eagles]

For sure herd immunity will never be reached and that is NEVER.

Also, the mandates are all almost dead already.....all coming to an end soon.

Did you get that information from the oracle at Delphi, or the psychic friends network?:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[saratogaman]

Your post is spot on and makes common sense. I know it’s the word “mandate” that gets some people back up. I understand but occasionally we are called to do something for the better good and that is what taking the Covid vaccine is all about.For those concerned with 'freedom,' no one has the right to infect others. For example, it's a crime to infect someone with AIDS.

[drducat]

Did you get that information from the oracle at Delphi, or the psychic friends network?:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I am not a dreamer like some...

[golfing eagles]

I am not a dreamer like some...

Too bad, because that would probably be about the best descriptive adjective to be hoped from among the other choices:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[John41]

I bet Fox News runs at your house all day.

So you don’t deny the facts just try to deflect. And you must be the last person watching CNN according to their ratings, LOL
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Rankings of the most trusted brands in news show that Fox News gained ground in the six months since February 2021, while rival networks CNN and MSNBC both saw declines in trust, according to research conducted by Brand Keys for Media Post, which published the results Monday.

[billethkid]

How many of us remember not being able to go to school if we were not vaccinated?
How many remember that for any one of our children to be able to go to school they had to be vaccinated?

Why was it ok then? And for so many...... not today?

Today....there are still vaccination/shot requirements for different countries around the world....if you want to get into the country you will be vaccinated. Why is that ok?

[JMintzer]

Yup. No jab, no entry.

Some folks have chosen to assign "immigrants without vaccines" the latest trend of bashing on immigrants.

So they should be HAPPY to see mandates here in the USA. No jab, no citizenship. That goes for everyone else too. What's good for the refugee is good for the citizen. Unless they think that unvaccinated citizens have superior blood and therefore don't offer the same risks to the community as immigrants?

I don't recall anyone making a stink about immigrants from Germany, Poland, Britain, Ireland, Scotland, France, Canada - coming without a vaccine.

But they're being REALLY loud about certain dark-skinned refugees and their immunization status.

Hrrm.

A few basic points...

Our Constitution does not hold water overseas. They are free to do what they want...

We know for a fact that many of the refugees are carrying communicable diseases.

I have no problem with other countries mandating who can and who cannot enter their country. Just as I have no problem with the US mandating the "refugees" show proof of or be vaccinated...

And "the jab" has nothing to do with "citizenship"... How you came up with that red herring is ponderous...

[JMintzer]

The people who you NEED to listen to, who have been promoting the vaccine, have been wrong at times. They've also learned more as time passed, facts that they didn't have when they came to their initial opinions and guidelines. Science evolves as the human species learns more about it. Where once the treatment for a brain tumor was drilling the skull to let the "bad humors escape," we have learned more about surgery, chemo, radiation. Where once our ancestors might have died from scurvy, we now know about the wonders of vitamin C.

So yes - there's been difficulty getting the message across from the people who we SHOULD be listening to.

But there are people who we should NOT be listening to, making a whole lot of noise and pushing an anti-vax, covid-hoax agenda. Most of these people are easily sussed out, however there are too many people who want to believe fiction, because it's inconvenient for them to believe truth.

Well, when the people we SHOULD be listening to have lied, multiple times, it gives one pause...

[JMintzer]

Most of the people that are arriving at hospitals with severe Covid symptoms are unvaccinated. I say, to those who refuse to wear masks, and refuse to get vaccines, I say stay the H_E_l_L away from me. You can have clown car parades all you want, but don't come near me with your covid infections.

That type of comment will sure go a long way in convincing people to get vaccinated...

[JMintzer]

Using the President own numbers last night I believe he said 80 million are unvaccinated, roughly 25% of the nation. So does that mean 75% are vaccinated? Many may recall herd immunity was the answer long before the vaccine. Many may also recall back then herd immunity was around 65%-%70. At 75% vaccinated we have achieved it. I forgot about the 100 million or so that have had this virus and have natural immunity. My point of the posting here is, maybe the argument should be not be vaccinated vs non vaccinated but should be immunity vs no immunity. I personally have a little mistrust for those in authority who put out facts and figures, masks are needed, opps no masks, opps masks again maybe 2 or 3 masks. I still listen to those in authority, but listen with much more skepticism.

Correct, not a word about the millions who have already had and recovered from Covid, who's immunity is exponentially higher...

[JMintzer]

I bet Fox News runs at your house all day.

Typical...

Everybody drink!

[JMintzer]

How many of us remember not being able to go to school if we were not vaccinated?
How many remember that for any one of our children to be able to go to school they had to be vaccinated?

Why was it ok then? And for so many...... not today?

Today....there are still vaccination/shot requirements for different countries around the world....if you want to get into the country you will be vaccinated. Why is that ok?

Because other countries make their own laws... Laws that have absolutely nothing to do with US laws or the US Constitution...

[coffeebean]

For sure herd immunity will never be reached and that is NEVER.

Also, the mandates are all almost dead already.....all coming to an end soon.

What makes you say that?

[coffeebean]

How many of us remember not being able to go to school if we were not vaccinated?
How many remember that for any one of our children to be able to go to school they had to be vaccinated?

Why was it ok then? And for so many...... not today?

Today....there are still vaccination/shot requirements for different countries around the world....if you want to get into the country you will be vaccinated. Why is that ok?
Exactly!

[asianthree]

How many of us remember not being able to go to school if we were not vaccinated?
How many remember that for any one of our children to be able to go to school they had to be vaccinated?

Why was it ok then? And for so many...... not today?

Today....there are still vaccination/shot requirements for different countries around the world....if you want to get into the country you will be vaccinated. Why is that ok?

Maybe where you went to school. I never was denied entry to a school because I was not fully vaccinated. Some children today attend school without some vaccines. My friend teaches at a school that doesn’t require any vaccines to attend. In some parts of the US parents are still allowed to make decisions about their children.

[KarenD]

TimeToFreeAmerica.com

Tells you everything you need to know. Stay on top of the facts.

The Patriots will prevail.

[#1bulldog]

What’s the real reason millions don’t want the vaccine? Is it about freedom, rights and a “you can’t tell me what to do” attitude?
Is it a similar fear that if we start banning some assault rifles that eventually all guns will be banned?

Just consider who gets hurt . . . now it’s young children getting hospitalized through no fault of their own. Time to step up and try to eradicate these viruses like this great country did with polio about 60 years ago. Remember?

[JakeInTV]

Very interesting/ Thanks

[drducat]

What makes you say that?

Law suits....Companies are lawyering up and in the waiting....Prediction is....Cases will hit supreme court and the ending will be in the form of clamping down on the Presidential branch going forward will be limited on penning many actions...including mandates like we are seeing.

[drducat]

Well, when the people we SHOULD be listening to have lied, multiple times, it gives one pause...

Second that!

[drducat]

Take a look.....

U.S. CDC chief says there will be no federal mandate on COVID-19 vaccine | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-administration-weighing-federal-mandate-covid-19-vaccine-cdc-director-2021-07-30/?taid=6104c0397797f60001544761&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter)

[Bay Kid]

Control. Fear. Control. Plus who do you believe? Our leaders stories change like their clothes.

[jswirs]

Yes, EXACTLY what I said earlier, IT IS A VACCINE, and it is NOT experimental

Unfortunately, I can't educate anyone who refuses to learn, so I give up.

Also, it is nearly impossible to restore the pragmatic thinking power of those who have been brainwashed.

[Swoop]

I see the old “save the children” card is being played again. Just the facts, but since the onset of Covid-19, fewer than 500 children 0-18 have died from the virus. In that same timeframe more than 70,000 have died from other causes.

Or the “do it for those who can’t be vaccinated” card. Just to be clear, those who can’t be vaccinated (not including children) make up less than 1% of the population.

And the “vaccine is completely safe” argument. If any of you who believe that, will provide a long term study of the effects of mRNA vaccines, I will gladly read it. Since no studies exist, no one really knows what the long term effects of the vaccines will be.

[Joanne19335]

Sometimes people need tough love. This is one of those times.

It’s about time that this vaccine will be mandated. It wouldn’t have gotten to this point if the unvaccinated surge of cases occurred. How much proof do you need? I got my booster shot last week. I realize that certain people cannot get the vaccine for medical reasons, so stop making this political and blaming the current administration.

[bobmx5]

The Biden administration gave amble time and enough vaccines for everyone in this country to be vaccinated by now. But with so many people getting misinformation about the vaccine we have another surge of cases and deaths. So do you really want to go through this every 4 to 6 months? This is not only affecting the unvaccinated but people are not getting the health care they need and some have died because the hospitals are filled with unvaccinated Covid cases. Health care workers are at the brink, and they are exhausted. This virus will not go away and its a good chance it will mutate to a strain that the vaccine may not have any effect on. This is the right thing to do, we did this with small pox and polio vaccines and they were mandated for every American be vaccinated against these horrible diseases. So I ask you, do you want to get back to a time before the virus or do you want to live with outbreak after outbreak?

[Byte1]

"Sir, may I see your papers please?
Sir, this says that your vaccination is not up to date/current. I am afraid I will have to write you a citation and fine you $500. And you will not be able to operate your vehicle, which will have to be towed. Sir, why are you not wearing three face masks as required? You only appear to be wearing two. I'll have to fine you for that also."

For those that insist that children have been mandated vaccinations in order to attend public school, you DO realize that vaccination mandates for public schools is NOT a federal requirement, right? That has been left up to the individual states. So, your example is wrong as your argument for mandating vaccinations is wrong.
I have my vaccination and believe that others should VOLUNTARILY get theirs also. I also understand those that are reluctant, especially considering how many times the gov has been wrong on so many things. I am not in fear of those unvaccinated folks. It is their choice and they will not effect my actions at all. I do not accept the FREE mask at the door of Walmart when offered upon entry, because I have confidence in being vaccinated. I do NOT have confidence in the cheap paper mask being offered and see no purpose in wearing it. Or, rather little purpose. Unlike some on here that are slave to hysteria, I take life circumstances as it is thrown at me. And do not lecture me on "patriotism" or you might just get yourself embarrassed. I do not care if you are a coward and never served or whether you served in combat for several years. It has nothing to do with your panic and hysteria over another disease. It really doesn't matter to me how many folks die from it that I do not know. Yes, I will be concerned if folks I know perish, but I am sure that most folks value their freedom to make life changing choices more than they worry about death. Otherwise, we would have no military volunteers, law enforcement or first responders.
By the way, even those states mandating vaccinations for children attending school DO NOT mandate flu shots. Think about it. And think about what is your REAL motivation for wishing for Federal mandates limiting every liberty and freedom that concerns your lifestyle.
My opinion is that vaccinations are good, but not everyone has that same opinion. I respect everyone else's opinion, but I do not respect others making decisions for those that do not agree with them. It is NOT your responsibility to protect other folks unless it is your occupation to do so. You have no right to make decisions for other folks, based on your opinion regardless of the so-called science that is ever changing.

[Merrills]

All employers with +99 employees.

OHSA, "employees in grave danger"??? Think not.

I support vaccinations, but not this way.

:popcorn:
You know when I worked in Health care I had to get vaccines and boosters. Vaccines are
Required for
Pre school thru grad school. You get a tetanus shot when you break the skin in an accident.Vaccines eradicated smallpox and more recently polio. I can’t fathom the uneducated stubborn mentality that WIL NOT GET THIS VACCINE. I f you don’t get the vaccine and get the virus, well you deserve it. And if I have a chance to remind you I will rub your nose in the pile of — — — — you have created for yourself!

[Byte1]

You know when I worked in Health care I had to get vaccines and boosters. Vaccines are
Required for
Pre school thru grad school. You get a tetanus shot when you break the skin in an accident.Vaccines eradicated smallpox and more recently polio. I can’t fathom the uneducated stubborn mentality that WIL NOT GET THIS VACCINE. I f you don’t get the vaccine and get the virus, well you deserve it. And if I have a chance to remind you I will rub your nose in the pile of — — — — you have created for yourself!

Not true.

[merrymini]

I am all for it. Enough of the vaccinated cow towing to those who refuse to educate themselves. If people don't get vaccinated then we all may be in danger of another variant that the vaccines won't work against. That's a national health issue. we all needed certain vaccines to go to school, I fail to see the difference in requiring this one....it's just a certain group that have adopted this as a rallying cry. Many approaches have already been tried to coax these people to do the right thing....special lotteries, money incentives, etc. Quantas is the first airline that is going to require vaccination...I hope more follow. many businesses are already requiring them (or trying to, i.e. cruises). People have died because there are no ICU beds available because of the unvaccinated. Frankly, I'm with Howard Stern (who I rarely agree with) on this: Howard Stern tears into people who won’t get Covid vaccine:
‘When are we going to stop putting up with the idiots in this country?’

I would question anyone’s intellectual capacity if they agree with howard stern. Just because people do not want to be vaccinated, does not mean they are ignorant or careless. The numbers for people who have died of the virus are cooked and the agencies who, supposedly, advise on medical needs of the public have been shown to be biased, political and blatant liars. If you believe that a virus can be eradicated, it is you who do not rely on facts. Maybe it is, you who is the idiot.

[Singerlady]

I support that like flu shots...those who want it get it....the rest consciously elect to risk getting the flu. It is their choice....they live with the results.

To get the virus vaccine or not unfortunately has been swept away from individual decisions to taking sides.

There are so many other things "mandated" in our lives by local, state, federal government, VCCD in TV, Deed restrictions in TV (and any where else), the draft, tax brackets, speed limits, et al.

When the vaccination is left to be voluntary then the results that follow should be acceptable as well.....hospitalizations, sickness and death of those not vaccinated.

Stop making it a big deal daily measurement.

It most certainly is not for those who choose to not get vaccinated!!

There is a HUGE difference between the flu virus and the Covid virus. Covid is much more contagious, deadly and affects OTHERS. We are all getting the vaccine for the common good. We are protecting others. We are trying to get back to normal. Not getting the vaccine affects OTHERS much more than the flu vaccine. I care about OTHERS. People need to stop being so selfish, high and mighty and self-serving and help others.

[Beyond The Wall]

I am all for it. Enough of the vaccinated cow towing to those who refuse to educate themselves. If people don't get vaccinated then we all may be in danger of another variant that the vaccines won't work against. That's a national health issue. we all needed certain vaccines to go to school, I fail to see the difference in requiring this one....it's just a certain group that have adopted this as a rallying cry. Many approaches have already been tried to coax these people to do the right thing....special lotteries, money incentives, etc. Quantas is the first airline that is going to require vaccination...I hope more follow. many businesses are already requiring them (or trying to, i.e. cruises). People have died because there are no ICU beds available because of the unvaccinated. Frankly, I'm with Howard Stern (who I rarely agree with) on this: Howard Stern tears into people who won’t get Covid vaccine:
‘When are we going to stop putting up with the idiots in this country?’
1938 Germany comes to mind.

[bobmx5]

Law suits....Companies are lawyering up and in the waiting....Prediction is....Cases will hit supreme court and the ending will be in the form of clamping down on the Presidential branch going forward will be limited on penning many actions...including mandates like we are seeing.


Vaccine mandates was taken to the Supreme Court over the small pox vaccine and the Court stood with the vaccine mandates and I'm sure this court case will be used to deny any lawsuits to stop the vaccine mandates. At least I hope this Supreme Court stands by the law and not an opinion.

[Byte1]

Maybe the Federal Gov can mandate vaccinations legally, .....or maybe not. I keep hearing on here about how vaccinations have been mandated in the past, BUT I am not sure that the Federal Gov has EVER mandated U.S. citizens vaccinated. Individual states have mandated vaccinations for school attendance and I believe a few towns way back mandated it's citizens to get the small pox vaccination, but I can not remember reading or being taught that there was ever a federal mandate for U.S. citizens to be vaccinated. What other countries do for entry into their borders is not pertinent.

[Byte1]

Vaccine mandates was taken to the Supreme Court over the small pox vaccine and the Court stood with the vaccine mandates and I'm sure this court case will be used to deny any lawsuits to stop the vaccine mandates. At least I hope this Supreme Court stands by the law and not an opinion.

I believe that was for a State mandate, not a federal mandate. I may be wrong, and I am sure someone will provide proof.

[cj1040]

Noooo. The anti vax idiots are the ones responsible for the out of control virus that is forming variants as it continues to spawn and that is affecting ALL of us and OUR freedoms to have our full lives back. Look at all those who continue to die and now our young children are at risk. It is a tiny shot that you barely feel and 99% safe. Look at smallpox and measles and polio....all mostly eradicated due to our wonderful scientists and compliance. Stop the stupid nonsense over a shot ...just do it so we can get this under control.

[cj1040]

Yeah...would that be for all the hunting you do at the Villages, or are you planning to shoot the virus?

[Spalumbos62]

Agree. I worry about the slippery slope - today it's vaccinations but what might it be tomorrow? Once the approach is used the first time it will be that much easier to use it again. It seems like I heard of this approach being considered for something a year or so ago but I can't remember what it was now.


I agree, but they have had plenty of time to get the vac and they just won't do it. People need to be able to work w/o fearing they will catch something from a coworker and bring it home to their family....to knowingly (possibly) spread a disease is not a right. It's not political...the putting the foot down may be, but the mandate is not.
Could this new rule been handled differently, of course, by not allowing, what's so ever- nonvaxers into public situations, but that too comes across political, as we have experienced. Maybe this is our only answer.
I heard one guy on a talk show last night say... what is wrong with this country? Other countries face the same thing, but they don't react like us... they help each other and get the shot. I guess our selfishness just shines.

[Bonnevie]

I would question anyone’s intellectual capacity if they agree with howard stern. Just because people do not want to be vaccinated, does not mean they are ignorant or careless. The numbers for people who have died of the virus are cooked and the agencies who, supposedly, advise on medical needs of the public have been shown to be biased, political and blatant liars. If you believe that a virus can be eradicated, it is you who do not rely on facts. Maybe it is, you who is the idiot.

I guess you skimmed over the part where I said I rarely agreed with him. but how typical that you discount Howard Stern who apparently is intelligent enough to have found a niche and made a fortune off it. the remainder of what you said is too stupid to debate.

[Spalumbos62]

I disagree with the contents of this post

I dont...

[crash]

Agree. I worry about the slippery slope - today it's vaccinations but what might it be tomorrow? Once the approach is used the first time it will be that much easier to use it again. It seems like I heard of this approach being considered for something a year or so ago but I can't remember what it was now.

This is not the first time vaccines have been mandated. Every kid gets vaccinated before they can start school. Mandatory vaccines have eliminated small pox, polio, and measles. It has already been shown that the Only way to get everyone vaccinated is to mandate it. To eliminate the disease it takes everyone to be vaccinated.

[Bonnevie]

1938 Germany comes to mind.

yeah, well mandates were good enough for George Washington who was fighting for democracy....

[Spalumbos62]

I see no problem with mandated Covid vaccines except for religious or health reasons. I don’t know about you but I tired of people making Covid 19, vaccines, and masks a political issue. It’s a public health issue period and final. We are all in this together. Put down the gloves and stick up your arms for a shot to save lives.


Religion has nothing to do with it!

[MandoMan]

All employers with +99 employees.

OHSA, "employees in grave danger"??? Think not.

I support vaccinations, but not this way.

:popcorn:

I strongly agree with mandating vaccinations. Consider that when people enter the military service, they all receive a lot of shots and vaccinations, often injected at one time by air gun. They get mandatory haircuts, even if it is against their religion. Of course Covid vaccinations should be required!

And of course OSHA should be involved, as this is a matter of workplace safety. OSHA mandates when masks must be worn when removing paint, for the safety of workers. Workplace safety is their job! Keeping people away from workplace infections is part of a safe workplace.

There are a lot of jobs where you can’t work if you have tuberculosis, or AIDS, or Herpes or if you are a carrier of some strains of bacteria. Many workers are required to get tetanus shots. Smoking isn’t allowed usually in restaurants, stores, hospitals, government buildings, offices. Why? Because the smoke might hurt those who don’t smoke. The risk from Covid is much greater. One role of government is keeping us safe. These rules help keep us safe. Do you want to enter the hospital knowing that the nurse or aide or janitor there might be giving you a possibly fatal disease? I want Covid vaccinations required in medical settings! I want them required for grocery store check-out clerks!

Back when George Washington required all of the soldiers in his army to be inoculated for smallpox, I’m sure there were some who didn’t want to be, but they had to anyway, even though a couple of them caught smallpox from the inoculations and died. Those smallpox inoculations saved hundreds of lives and so helped win the war. I doubt that many of them who were inoculated would rather have contracted smallpox or given it to other people.

[Bonnevie]

I see the old “save the children” card is being played again. Just the facts, but since the onset of Covid-19, fewer than 500 children 0-18 have died from the virus. In that same timeframe more than 70,000 have died from other causes.

Or the “do it for those who can’t be vaccinated” card. Just to be clear, those who can’t be vaccinated (not including children) make up less than 1% of the population.

And the “vaccine is completely safe” argument. If any of you who believe that, will provide a long term study of the effects of mRNA vaccines, I will gladly read it. Since no studies exist, no one really knows what the long term effects of the vaccines will be.

I am always amazed at those who cavalierly quote the number of children who have died as insignificant. well, it's not if it's your kid. also, there are cases of long covid among children who even get a mild case. further those fearful of the long term effects of the vaccine should consider what it might be doing to a child's still developing brain since autopsies of covid victims show brain inflammation. we know less about the long term consequences of the virus.

[Bonnevie]

TimeToFreeAmerica.com

Tells you everything you need to know. Stay on top of the facts.

The Patriots will prevail.

just in case fox news isn't enough for you....

[billethkid]

There are many opinions and wants which all are entitled to have.
However I venture a guess that many opinions would change if a loved one were infected by a non vaccinated encounter and died!

Or if a loved one cannot get the treatment at the hospital needed to survive because the beds and staff are all taken/consumed by the non vaccinated sick.

It is so easy to preach when there is no personal investment involved..... we know we are all entitled to do so!

At some point in the "debate" we can only hope reality and personal investment eventually prevails.....

[Swoop]

I am always amazed at those who cavalierly quote the number of children who have died as insignificant. well, it's not if it's your kid. also, there are cases of long covid among children who even get a mild case. further those fearful of the long term effects of the vaccine should consider what it might be doing to a child's still developing brain since autopsies of covid victims show brain inflammation. we know less about the long term consequences of the virus.

And please tell me what the long term effects of the vaccine will be in all those children…
The percentage of children who have died from Covid is infinitesimal. The potential number of children who could be effected long term by the vaccine could be enormous…
Protect those who are in danger. Do put those who are not in danger at risk.

[Byte1]

There is a HUGE difference between the flu virus and the Covid virus. Covid is much more contagious, deadly and affects OTHERS. We are all getting the vaccine for the common good. We are protecting others. We are trying to get back to normal. Not getting the vaccine affects OTHERS much more than the flu vaccine. I care about OTHERS. People need to stop being so selfish, high and mighty and self-serving and help others.

Where is the mandate for "the common good" or "protecting others?" Didn't that go the way of the United Soviet States of Russia? Or is communism now prevalent in America?

"U.S. Supreme Court in 1997:
In a long line of cases, we have held that, in addition to the specific freedoms protected by the Bill of Rights, the ‘liberty’ specially protected by the Due Process Clause includes the rights to .... and to abortion, Casey, supra. We have also assumed, and strongly suggested, that the Due Process Clause protects the traditional right to refuse unwanted lifesaving medical treatment. Cruzan, 497 U.S. [261] at 278-279, 110 S.Ct. [2841] at 2851-2852.
Washington v. Glucksberg, 521 U.S. 702, 720 (1997)."

[QPB0078]

I am all for it. Enough of the vaccinated cow towing to those who refuse to educate themselves. If people don't get vaccinated then we all may be in danger of another variant that the vaccines won't work against. That's a national health issue. we all needed certain vaccines to go to school, I fail to see the difference in requiring this one....it's just a certain group that have adopted this as a rallying cry. Many approaches have already been tried to coax these people to do the right thing....special lotteries, money incentives, etc. Quantas is the first airline that is going to require vaccination...I hope more follow. many businesses are already requiring them (or trying to, i.e. cruises). People have died because there are no ICU beds available because of the unvaccinated. Frankly, I'm with Howard Stern (who I rarely agree with) on this: Howard Stern tears into people who won’t get Covid vaccine:
‘When are we going to stop putting up with the idiots in this country?’

I agree with you

[Byte1]

yeah, well mandates were good enough for George Washington who was fighting for democracy....

For the military, right?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Take a look.....

U.S. CDC chief says there will be no federal mandate on COVID-19 vaccine | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-administration-weighing-federal-mandate-covid-19-vaccine-cdc-director-2021-07-30/?taid=6104c0397797f60001544761&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter)

But rather than read just the title of the article (which is misleading), read this paragraph, which is part of the article:

"To clarify: There will be no nationwide mandate. I was referring to mandates by private institutions and portions of the federal government," Walensky wrote in a Twitter post. "There will be no federal mandate."

That's for context. A nationwide mandate would be a mandate for EVERYONE. The new mandate by the president is not a nationwide mandate. It's a mandate for government employees and contractors, health care providers and employees who work in the health care sector, companies that employ 100 or more people. It ALSO allows employees of companies over 100 people to opt out and get tested every week instead of being vaccinated. So even in that, it's not a vaccine mandate.

[Byte1]

I am always amazed at those who cavalierly quote the number of children who have died as insignificant. well, it's not if it's your kid. also, there are cases of long covid among children who even get a mild case. further those fearful of the long term effects of the vaccine should consider what it might be doing to a child's still developing brain since autopsies of covid victims show brain inflammation. we know less about the long term consequences of the virus.

"I am always amazed at those who cavalierly" claim that it is OK for women to kill their unborn babies, and then profess to be horrified at school aged children not being vaccinated against an illness that hardly effects children. Since it is the "woman's choice" why not allow the parents to make those kind of decisions?

[Rlheinz19@yahoo.com]

I I support that like flu shots...those who want it get it....the rest consciously elect to risk getting the flu. It is their choice....they live with the results.

To get the virus vaccine or not unfortunately has been swept away from individual decisions to taking sides.

There are so many other things "mandated" in our lives by local, state, federal government, VCCD in TV, Deed restrictions in TV (and any where else), the draft, tax brackets, speed limits, et al.

When the vaccination is left to be voluntary then the results that follow should be acceptable as well.....hospitalizations, sickness and death of those not vaccinated.

Stop making it a big deal daily measurement.

It most certainly is not for those who choose to not get vaccinated!!


I worked for years in healthcare. Basic immunizations, annual TB tests and annual flu shots were required for employment. I know noone that quit over the flu shot requirement.
Millions of school children are required to get basic immunizations before attending school.
Now that we have the most life threatening virus in 100 years why are people freaking out about requiring a vaccine.
I really don't understand.

[tedquick]

[QUOTE=dewilson58;2001321]All employers with +99 employees.

OHSA, "employees in grave danger"??? Think not.

I support vaccinations, but not this way.

:popcorn:[/QUOT



I agree!

ted

[Spalumbos62]

"Sir, may I see your papers please?
Sir, this says that your vaccination is not up to date/current. I am afraid I will have to write you a citation and fine you $500. And you will not be able to operate your vehicle, which will have to be towed. Sir, why are you not wearing three face masks as required? You only appear to be wearing two. I'll have to fine you for that also."

For those that insist that children have been mandated vaccinations in order to attend public school, you DO realize that vaccination mandates for public schools is NOT a federal requirement, right? That has been left up to the individual states. So, your example is wrong as your argument for mandating vaccinations is wrong.
I have my vaccination and believe that others should VOLUNTARILY get theirs also. I also understand those that are reluctant, especially considering how many times the gov has been wrong on so many things. I am not in fear of those unvaccinated folks. It is their choice and they will not effect my actions at all. I do not accept the FREE mask at the door of Walmart when offered upon entry, because I have confidence in being vaccinated. I do NOT have confidence in the cheap paper mask being offered and see no purpose in wearing it. Or, rather little purpose. Unlike some on here that are slave to hysteria, I take life circumstances as it is thrown at me. And do not lecture me on "patriotism" or you might just get yourself embarrassed. I do not care if you are a coward and never served or whether you served in combat for several years. It has nothing to do with your panic and hysteria over another disease. It really doesn't matter to me how many folks die from it that I do not know. Yes, I will be concerned if folks I know perish, but I am sure that most folks value their freedom to make life changing choices more than they worry about death. Otherwise, we would have no military volunteers, law enforcement or first responders.
By the way, even those states mandating vaccinations for children attending school DO NOT mandate flu shots. Think about it. And think about what is your REAL motivation for wishing for Federal mandates limiting every liberty and freedom that concerns your lifestyle.
My opinion is that vaccinations are good, but not everyone has that same opinion. I respect everyone else's opinion, but I do not respect others making decisions for those that do not agree with them. It is NOT your responsibility to protect other folks unless it is your occupation to do so. You have no right to make decisions for other folks, based on your opinion regardless of the so-called science that is ever changing.


Your post jumps around allot, so much that I don't understand you. You are vaccinated..smart, yet you don't care if people die, unless you know them..odd. You call people cowards if they haven't served..??
you assume people don't know the levels of gov making the decisions, and I don't believe people want to save others, they themselves just want to feel safe.

[Spalumbos62]

You know when I worked in Health care I had to get vaccines and boosters. Vaccines are
Required for
Pre school thru grad school. You get a tetanus shot when you break the skin in an accident.Vaccines eradicated smallpox and more recently polio. I can’t fathom the uneducated stubborn mentality that WIL NOT GET THIS VACCINE. I f you don’t get the vaccine and get the virus, well you deserve it. And if I have a chance to remind you I will rub your nose in the pile of — — — — you have created for yourself!

So True!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Maybe the Federal Gov can mandate vaccinations legally, .....or maybe not. I keep hearing on here about how vaccinations have been mandated in the past, BUT I am not sure that the Federal Gov has EVER mandated U.S. citizens vaccinated. Individual states have mandated vaccinations for school attendance and I believe a few towns way back mandated it's citizens to get the small pox vaccination, but I can not remember reading or being taught that there was ever a federal mandate for U.S. citizens to be vaccinated. What other countries do for entry into their borders is not pertinent.

Government mandated vaccines began with George Washington during the Revolutionary War.

It has continued throughout history for military personnel (who are US Citizens, for the most part).

The US Supreme Court also supports states that mandate vaccines, although that's not a federal mandate, it's federal support of a state mandate.

OSHA, which is a Federal department within the Department of Labor, imposes vaccine mandates for certain types of jobs, including Hep B vaccines for first responders who might be needed for collateral duty.

So yes, there is not only a history of actual federal mandates for vaccines, but the Supreme Court upholds and supports the states which impose their own vaccine requirements.

[Ptmckiou]

Interesting that nonvaxed don’t trust the medical community/science enough to get the vaccine, but trust them to get them well when they catch COVID and end up in the hospital. Odd mentality.

[jdulej]

Oh, did he also OPEN the borders and let unvaxxed hordes into the country?
The answer to that is probably "yes" Borders didn't mean much back then

[Spalumbos62]

no, I'm just so weary of giving factual rebuttals because it won't work anyway. the reason for the decline in news ratings is because once the former idiot in chief was gone we no longer felt the need to constantly watch out of fear of what he'd do or say next. we trust this administration. whereas all you supporters of the orange idiot want constant validation of you xenophobic, negative views.


YES....YES. thank you.
You, my fine person, have my vote.

[Bill14564]

Do you believe it's right that illegal immigrants are not included in the mandate?

Yes. Others not covered by the mandate are retirees, unemployed, children, and small businesses.

[Old Bob]

However, this virus isn't static. it will continue to look for hosts so it can survive. and to do so it will mutate...if everyone

The virus mutating is not caused by the unvaccinated. It is caused by the vaccinated, by trying to resist the antibodies they have.

[unialimon]

So why doesn't apply to members of Congress or those who work for Congress or the federal court system?
Speaker of the House has said it is a matter of privacy to know who is or who isn't vaccinated?

So why should I get it.

[Lisanp@aol.com]

All employers with +99 employees.

OHSA, "employees in grave danger"??? Think not.

I support vaccinations, but not this way.

:popcorn:

I hope that the food service workers that are cooking my food have received their required and mandatory Hep C vaccination, so why is this issue so contentious and polarized? Lots of vaccinations are required for various circumstances. My question is who is paying for those unvaccinated and hospitalized covid cases?

[Swoop]

Interesting that nonvaxed don’t trust the medical community/science enough to get the vaccine, but trust them to get them well when they catch COVID and end up in the hospital. Odd mentality.
This is another ridiculous argument that I see posted a lot. Just because someone doesn’t want to subject themselves to a new technology vaccine, with no long term studies, doesn’t mean that they don’t believe in modern medicine. You may be comfortable taking part in the largest vaccine trial in history. Clearly not everyone does.

[Spalumbos62]

Oh, did he also OPEN the borders and let unvaxxed hordes into the country?


I dont understand the constant reference to the borders and "all" if them coming in. You seem to be the only person that is obsessed about it. Is it fear, or something? People have been coming into this country since the beginning. I'm sure you or your parents came here. Why the prejudice toward border people?

[dougjb]

I am totally supportive of the mandate to get vaccinated. We have for too long tolerated the fools who think it is their "right" to not only not get vaccinated but then feel free to spread their breath among others. It should be the other way around. In order to really open up this country and get back to some semblance of normality, it is absolutely necessary for everyone to get vaccinated. No whining. Just get the jab and get the second and maybe third dose. This is a public health emergency!

Just think, kids can't go to school if they aren't vaccinated against measles, mumps, rubella and a host of other highly contagious diseases. Whether one likes it or not, we live in a highly social and densely populated world. We must fight this together ...or we lose.

I am of the opinion that there should be no religious exemptions and no other exemptions either. Stand in line, bare your arm, grab your lollipop and then go about your business. If for some reason, an exemption exists, then that person should not be allowed where there are any other people...period!

[nancyre]

Is OSHA gonna follow the law and capture the adverse reactions to the mandate? God I hope ... if the results are simple and clear, more will be willing to accept the jab, if not maybe we will be open to other options.

[nancyre]

Then they should be vaccinated immediately for everything before they are medically cleared and released into the country. My family had to be declared healthy before they were allowed in.

[Shutterbug]

While the mandate in itself is far reaching and disgusting the whole speech pitted those with vaccines vs. those without. There was no mention of those who had covid not needing a vaccine having better antibodies than those getting the vaccine nor was there any reference to talking to your own PCP. I'm convinced this party in power merely seeks to divide and conquer and unfortunately it is working. We have been blessed to live through the best part of this country's history.

A mandate iz wen 2 ur moor fellers git tagether fur coffee or lunch.

[NoMoSno]

This isn't a nationwide mandate. If those immigrants start working in a company that has more than 100 employees, then they'll need to be vaccinated, or tested weekly. If they start working in a public school, then they'll need to be vaccinated.

LEGAL CITIZENS are not required to vaccinate, why should "illegal immigrants" be required to vaccinate?

This isn't a national mandate. Not all citizens are required to vaccinate. And of the ones who are told they do have to, most of them get an option to test weekly instead of vaccinate.

It has nothing to do with legal citizenship status.
So the mandate is pointless.

[JoeinFL]

I see no problem with mandated Covid vaccines except for religious or health reasons. I don’t know about you but I tired of people making Covid 19, vaccines, and masks a political issue. It’s a public health issue period and final. We are all in this together. Put down the gloves and stick up your arms for a shot to save lives.

If people choose to remain unvaccinated, that’s their choice.
However, when they get sick, they should stay home and deal with it on their own. Stop putting undue pressure on our healthcare system/ workers. If you don’t trust science and the medical field enough to get vaccinated, why the hell would you trust them to get you better??

[unialimon]

I am totally supportive of the mandate to get vaccinated. We have for too long tolerated the fools who think it is their "right" to not only not get vaccinated but then feel free to spread their breath among others. It should be the other way around. In order to really open up this country and get back to some semblance of normality, it is absolutely necessary for everyone to get vaccinated. No whining. Just get the jab and get the second and maybe third dose. This is a public health emergency!

Just think, kids can't go to school if they aren't vaccinated against measles, mumps, rubella and a host of other highly contagious diseases. Whether one likes it or not, we live in a highly social and densely populated world. We must fight this together ...or we lose.

I am of the opinion that there should be no religious exemptions and no other exemptions either. Stand in line, bare your arm, grab your lollipop and then go about your business. If for some reason, an exemption exists, then that person should not be allowed where there are any other people...period!

If people have been vaccinated and are still afraid to go out because I am not, stay home. I certainly am not staying home.
I just saw a commercial for candles and the lady was checking their scents with her mask on. So how does wearing a mask protect me.

[Boomer]

John Marshall Harlan is highly respected by judges across the spectrum of leanings. Chief Justice John Roberts placed Harlan’s portrait on a wall in the room where the justices discuss cases.

Jacobson had a bad reaction to a vaccine and when the smallpox vaccine was mandated, he tested the waters to the level of the Supreme Court.

Jacobson lost and was fined $5.00, and the “common good” opinion written by Harlan in 1905 is with us still.

Today’s vile, incited division is not a result of the small percentage who have real medical reasons not to take the vaccine. I do not think anyone with the ability to think that one through would want them to be forced.

But the fact remains that the current vaccine deniers' go-round is almost entirely based on the rantings of those susceptible to the propaganda they invite to invade their lives in ways that could never have been imagined 116 years ago -- OR those who are a part of the initiating and/or spreading of that propaganda because their goal is to make money by making fools of people -- or the most sinister goal of wanting to see the downfall of our beloved country.

It is interesting to note that the justice newest to SCOTUS recently did NOT succumb to the Indiana University students who wanted IU’s vaccine mandate blocked. Their protest did not get past her. (Note: The university allows exemption from the mandate for both religious and medical reasons.)

Here is a direct quote from the opinion written by the still deeply respected John Marshall Harlan -- easy to understand – or should be – summing up the “common good.”

from the Supreme Court majority opinion written by John Marshall Harlan, 1905:

“There are manifold restraints to which every person is necessarily subject for the common good. On any other basis, organized society could not exist with safety to its members. Society based on the rule that each one is a law unto himself would soon be confronted with disorder and anarchy.

Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own, whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that might be done to others.”


(And there it is – in defense of the “the common good” – engraved in our precious history -- I guess we’ll see how that goes.)

Boomer

[Alana33]

I'm all for vaccination and mask wearing policies/mandates.
This virus isn't going away on its own.
It keeps finding new hosts in the unvaccinated and continues to evolve and mutate into more contagious and deadly strains.

The majority of patients hospitalized on ventilators, dying and dead are unvaccinated hosts.
100% of the 64 people who have died from Covid just on St. Thomas, VI were unvaccinated. The total population of the USVI encompassing St. John, St. Croix, St. Thomas and its smaller outlying islands is ONLY 106,000.
Senseless and tragic loss of life.

Large companies, corporations and businesses will make vaccinations mandatory for their employees.
The vaccine is free.
Healthcare Insurance and costs of hospitalizations due to covid is not.

"The Fox Corporation has instituted a strict COVID-19 policy that includes a vaccine passport, allowing only the company's fully-vaccinated employees to work in their offices without wearing a mask or social distancing."

[golfing eagles]

Also, it is nearly impossible to restore the pragmatic thinking power of those who have been brainwashed.

100% totally agree.

[Bonnevie]

If people have been vaccinated and are still afraid to go out because I am not, stay home. I certainly am not staying home.
I just saw a commercial for candles and the lady was checking their scents with her mask on. So how does wearing a mask protect me.

it's people like you that the vaccinated are now getting fed up with. You want the benefits of others being vaccinated without earning it. unless you are wearing a 95 mask while you are out and about, you risk others. it is selfish.

[Bonnevie]

However, this virus isn't static. it will continue to look for hosts so it can survive. and to do so it will mutate...if everyone

The virus mutating is not caused by the unvaccinated. It is caused by the vaccinated, by trying to resist the antibodies they have.

yes that is another thing circulating on social media but here are the facts: Take a look at the “Tracking SARS-CoV-2 variants” website from the World Health Organization (WHO). This shows when the different “Variants of Concern” and “Variants of Interest” were first detected. As you can see, all of these variants emerged in 2020. Of the Variants of Concern, the Alpha variant was first found in the United Kingdom (U.K.) in September 2020, the Beta variant in South Africa in May 2020, the Gamma variant in Brazil in November 2020, and the Delta variant in India in October 2020. Of the Variants of Interest, the Eta variant was first detected in multiple countries in December 2020, the Iota in the U.S. in November 2020, the Kappa in India in October 2020, and the Lamba variant in Peru in December 2020.

Next keep in mind when Covid-19 vaccination actually started in different parts of the world. As Krishna N. Das and Mayank Bhardwaj reported for Reuters, Covid-19 vaccination didn’t really begin in India until January 2021, about three months after the Delta variant had emerged. Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna did not receive emergency use authorization (EUA) from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for their Covid-19 mRNA vaccines until December 2020, the same month that the Astra-Zeneca Covid-19 vaccine first received authorization in the U.K. All of this was after all four of the Variants of Concern had already been spreading.

[DALEPQ]

We have been Vax'd. and support the Vax.
Yet, I am totally discussed with the egregious hypocrisy that Mandating businesses
to force employees to get Vax'd. 'OR ELSE!!'
The hypocrisy is that 644,000 Postal Employees have been exempted from the Vax
requirement, WHY, WHY WHY??? They can have as much contact with the public as
any other business employee!!! TOTAL B***S!!!

[golfing eagles]

I hope that the food service workers that are cooking my food have received their required and mandatory Hep C vaccination, so why is this issue so contentious and polarized? Lots of vaccinations are required for various circumstances. My question is who is paying for those unvaccinated and hospitalized covid cases?

I think you might be referring to Hepatitis A, you can't get B or C from food. And I am unaware of any "required and mandated" vaccines for food service workers.

[unialimon]

it's people like you that the vaccinated are now getting fed up with. You want the benefits of others being vaccinated without earning it. unless you are wearing a 95 mask while you are out and about, you risk others. it is selfish.

Whoa, so mean.
Please inform me how you EARNED anything?
I like to relax with a nice cold beer most nights.
Perhaps I will see you in Brownwood soon.
I'm there most nights.
Have a wonderful day!
Bye

[Bonnevie]

Whoa, so mean.
Please inform me how you EARNED anything?
I like to relax with a nice cold beer most nights.
Perhaps I will see you in Brownwood soon.
I'm there most nights.
Have a wonderful day!
Bye

not mean, just true. you are selfish but you are not alone which is the real tragedy. We EARNED it by doing everything we were asked...we wore masks without complaints and stayed home and when a vaccine was available we got it because we want to be able to live our lives again while people like you waltz around without a care about your fellow citizens. as Dirty Harry said,"do you feel lucky"? there are a lot of people on respirators who are begging for the vaccine but are being told it's too late. but obviously, that's a risk you're willing to take for yourself which would be fine if it didn't impact others.

[kenoc7]

Agree 100% with you. This has “fast track to the USSC” written all over it.
I disagree with you 100%. If people are so stupid not to get vaccinated then mandating vaccination in the worst public health crisis in 1100 years is the right way to go.

[A-2-56]

Look, if you are vaccinated then why worry about those that are not?

Why is it that they want to mandate any business with >100 employees, but postal workers, congressional and White House staff are all exempt from the mandate?

During lockdowns, business owners were forced to shut down but not government employees! You should really take these things into consideration.

[Bill14564]

Look, if you are vaccinated then why worry about those that are not?

Why is it that they want to mandate any business with >100 employees, but postal workers, congressional and White House staff are all exempt from the mandate?

During lockdowns, business owners were forced to shut down but not government employees! You should really take these things into consideration.

Some of those of you who are not vaccinated are getting sick and filling hospital beds that are needed by others. The more the virus spreads, facilitated by the unvaccinated, the more the chance of mutations. The more cases and patients and deaths the more pressure there is for restrictions and lockdowns that hurt the economy.

The President can only make mandates for the Executive branch - he cannot make mandates for Congressional staff. Can you can point to a source for your assertion that Postal workers or White House staff are exempt?

Some businesses were shut down, not all. Some (most) government was open, not all.

[Spalumbos62]

I believe you made a mistake. I'm sure you meant black not orange.

PLEASE...explain your comment

[Escape Artist]

I am all for it. Enough of the vaccinated cow towing to those who refuse to educate themselves. If people don't get vaccinated then we all may be in danger of another variant that the vaccines won't work against. That's a national health issue. we all needed certain vaccines to go to school, I fail to see the difference in requiring this one....it's just a certain group that have adopted this as a rallying cry. Many approaches have already been tried to coax these people to do the right thing....special lotteries, money incentives, etc. Quantas is the first airline that is going to require vaccination...I hope more follow. many businesses are already requiring them (or trying to, i.e. cruises). People have died because there are no ICU beds available because of the unvaccinated. Frankly, I'm with Howard Stern (who I rarely agree with) on this: Howard Stern tears into people who won’t get Covid vaccine:
‘When are we going to stop putting up with the idiots in this country?’

During really bad flu seasons the hospitals are also overwhelmed and deaths are high. What happens when a new variant emerges, because that's what viruses do, and is resistant to any vaccine? You are probably betting that it won't but I wouldn't put too much money on that bet.

[jimjamuser]

Agree. I worry about the slippery slope - today it's vaccinations but what might it be tomorrow? Once the approach is used the first time it will be that much easier to use it again. It seems like I heard of this approach being considered for something a year or so ago but I can't remember what it was now.
ALL people in the US want the CV Pandemic to go away - I will assume that is a GIVEN. So, there are ONLY about 2 ways to achieve that......1 ) The Federal Government exercises its MANDATE to protect ALL citizens by MANDATING CV vaccines for all institutions that it controls ........Or .....2 ) flip a coin and move ALL vaccinated people to (say) West of the Mississippi River and (say) all UNvaccinated people to the East.
......So, which of those two options would cost the less money?
.......I am thinking.......hhhhhmmmmm .....option # 1 is the winner !

[Escape Artist]

John Marshall Harlan is highly respected by judges across the spectrum of leanings. Chief Justice John Roberts placed Harlan’s portrait on a wall in the room where the justices discuss cases.

Jacobson had a bad reaction to a vaccine and when the smallpox vaccine was mandated, he tested the waters to the level of the Supreme Court.

Jacobson lost and was fined $5.00, and the “common good” opinion written by Harlan in 1905 is with us still.

Today’s vile, incited division is not a result of the small percentage who have real medical reasons not to take the vaccine. I do not think anyone with the ability to think that one through would want them to be forced.

But the fact remains that the current vaccine deniers' go-round is almost entirely based on the rantings of those susceptible to the propaganda they invite to invade their lives in ways that could never have been imagined 116 years ago -- OR those who are a part of the initiating and/or spreading of that propaganda because their goal is to make money by making fools of people -- or the most sinister goal of wanting to see the downfall of our beloved country.

It is interesting to note that the justice newest to SCOTUS recently did NOT succumb to the Indiana University students who wanted IU’s vaccine mandate blocked. Their protest did not get past her. (Note: The university allows exemption from the mandate for both religious and medical reasons.)

Here is a direct quote from the opinion written by the still deeply respected John Marshall Harlan -- easy to understand – or should be – summing up the “common good.”

from the Supreme Court majority opinion written by John Marshall Harlan, 1905:

“There are manifold restraints to which every person is necessarily subject for the common good. On any other basis, organized society could not exist with safety to its members. Society based on the rule that each one is a law unto himself would soon be confronted with disorder and anarchy.

Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own, whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that might be done to others.”


(And there it is – in defense of the “the common good” – engraved in our precious history -- I guess we’ll see how that goes.)

Boomer

Interesting argument but you're forgetting one thing - up until a couple of weeks these were experimental vaccines and no one can deny that they fast-tracked approval because of political pressure as it usually takes decades for the FDA to approve a drug or vaccine. That's not hysteria or belief in weird, conspiracy theories, just common sense.

No one knows the long-term effects of the vaccine nor what it will do to our immune systems, especially if we keep getting booster shots. Naturally people are worried and afraid. Also, the vaccines are only moderately effective. The reason the fully vaccinated still got Covid these past few months was because the variant was different than the spike protein in the Covid-19 vaccine. True, most didn't get terrible ill, although some did, and I know one woman who ended up in the hospital. Until there is a sterilizing vaccine that prevents infection they should not mandate these shots.

[WinnieHa]

Fun fodder, huh? Popcorn? Kindly go f&#k yourself. Maybe if your wife was in the ER , end of life status, and you couldn’t see her (no visitors) because of unvaccinated know-it-alls taking up sick beds, you might not be so entertained by responses to your little grenade. Were you home-schooled? Were you not subject to a vaccine mandate upon entering school? ? There. You got your desired reaction. Enjoy your popcorn. Bye

[jimjamuser]

I am vaxed and according to the so called experts, I am protected from getting seriously ill from Covid. How are the unfaxed causing a danger to me and all the other 65% of the country who have also been vaxed? The millions who already had Covid and recovered have better imunity then I have so why should they get punished with needles needles or weekly tests? Also, what makes the postal workers so special? They come in contact with the majority of the country almost daily.
Vaxxed people are in danger because of at least 2 reasons....
1 ) if you have cancer and need a body part removed then there may be no hospital bed available for said surgery - the cancer spreads and you DIE
2 ) The VIRUS mutates into a variant that can NOT be stopped by ANY vaccine and most of us DIES

[jimjamuser]

Vaccinations have been mandatory before. This is not a first. What about mandatory vaccines for International travel? How about mandatory vaccines for children to attend school? It’s been done before. Why is the Covid vaccine any different?

I’m glad these vaccines are mandatory. Maybe we can get a handle on this virus.
The mandates are NOT yet for 100 % of the ADULT US population that can have them and NOT yet for young children. And can't be put into effect immediately. And has yet to withstand legal challenges and whatever the Supreme Court might decide?
Conclusion......the UNvaccinated can still throw a monkey wrench into the Federal turning gears. Ant they could STILL succeed at their (apparent) goal of killing a couple more 100,000 US citizens.
ALL in the name of free-DUMS. Free-DUM'S just another name for more Americans to kill and more time for the LOVELY virus to mutate and get stronger!

[jimjamuser]

This never was a vaccine.......so that is why the CDC on Sept. 1 2021 changed the definition...as I said all along.....only a band-aid.....Gives primary protection only...just stops some symptoms....Herd immunity will be achieved once the thousands of cold viruses have reached that point......aint gonna happen......how many more lies can be swallowed??
:shocked:
I disagree with the contents of this post.

[jimjamuser]

Parents are not required by law to send their children to public school. Their attendance is not mandatory. Any parent who has a problem with the teachers being mandated to vaccinate, and their children to wear masks, are absolutely welcome, and allowed by law, to withdraw their child from public school and find another method of educating their kids.
I agree with the content of this post.

[fishon]

I’m sorry your lockdowns didn’t work.
I’m sorry your masks don’t work.
I’m sorry the vaccine doesn’t work better than a placebo.

Just to be clear, a laboratory that creates “gain of function” in viruses is making them more lethal. They are weaponizing those viruses. It is research for the purpose of biological warfare. Funded by the US taxpayers at the behest of Fauci.

[coffeebean]

~~~

[TSO/ISPF]

I’m sorry your lockdowns didn’t work.
I’m sorry your masks don’t work.
I’m sorry the vaccine doesn’t work better than a placebo.

Just to be clear, a laboratory that creates “gain of function” in viruses is making them more lethal. They are weaponizing those viruses. It is research for the purpose of biological warfare. Funded by the US taxpayers at the behest of Fauci.

What percentage of the current intensive care patients are NOT vaccinated? Direct your ire at another person or party.

[golfing eagles]

Interesting argument but you're forgetting one thing - up until a couple of weeks these were experimental vaccines and no one can deny that they fast-tracked approval because of political pressure as it usually takes decades for the FDA to approve a drug or vaccine. That's not hysteria or belief in weird, conspiracy theories, just common sense.

No one knows the long-term effects of the vaccine nor what it will do to our immune systems, especially if we keep getting booster shots. Naturally people are worried and afraid. Also, the vaccines are only moderately effective. The reason the fully vaccinated still got Covid these past few months was because the variant was different than the spike protein in the Covid-19 vaccine. True, most didn't get terrible ill, although some did, and I know one woman who ended up in the hospital. Until there is a sterilizing vaccine that prevents infection they should not mandate these shots.

Decades???? Yet another "expert" on FDA policies and procedures. Try again, this time with a much lesser time frame

[coffeebean]

Not true.

In NY State. vaccines are mandated to attend school. I know, as a child, I had to be vaccinated before I could attend school. All it takes is one state to mandate vaccines and the stance that vaccines are not mandated to attend school becomes moot.

School Immunization Requirements (https://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/immunization/schools/school_vaccines/)

[jimjamuser]

There have already been vaccine mandates in effect.
Countries like New Zealand and many others are able to have much stricter MANDATES for public Health than the US has. They STILL have their FREEDOMS and the freedom to be alive and enjoy those lives. Death and suffering in hospitals like in the US do NOT give Americans more FREEDOM to LIVE - just FREEDOM to die AND often take OTHER people's lives with them.

[coffeebean]

I would question anyone’s intellectual capacity if they agree with howard stern. Just because people do not want to be vaccinated, does not mean they are ignorant or careless. The numbers for people who have died of the virus are cooked and the agencies who, supposedly, advise on medical needs of the public have been shown to be biased, political and blatant liars. If you believe that a virus can be eradicated, it is you who do not rely on facts. Maybe it is, you who is the idiot.

How can you say a virus cannot be eradicated? The small pox virus was eradicated. The polio virus was eradicated. How? By vaccinating a public who was not resistant to the vaccines.

Thank goodness we didn't have a population of "Karens" back then. We may be living with those viruses today if it weren't for those vaccinations that people were glad to take.

[coffeebean]

1938 Germany comes to mind.

Comes to your mind, not mine.

[JMintzer]

It’s about time that this vaccine will be mandated. It wouldn’t have gotten to this point if the unvaccinated surge of cases occurred. How much proof do you need? I got my booster shot last week. I realize that certain people cannot get the vaccine for medical reasons, so stop making this political and blaming the current administration.

So, you don't follow the science?

Neither the CDC, nor and of the vaccine producers have recommended you get a booster yet... Only the WH...

[JMintzer]

The Biden administration gave amble time and enough vaccines for everyone in this country to be vaccinated by now. But with so many people getting misinformation about the vaccine we have another surge of cases and deaths. So do you really want to go through this every 4 to 6 months? This is not only affecting the unvaccinated but people are not getting the health care they need and some have died because the hospitals are filled with unvaccinated Covid cases. Health care workers are at the brink, and they are exhausted. This virus will not go away and its a good chance it will mutate to a strain that the vaccine may not have any effect on. This is the right thing to do, we did this with small pox and polio vaccines and they were mandated for every American be vaccinated against these horrible diseases. So I ask you, do you want to get back to a time before the virus or do you want to live with outbreak after outbreak?

If the vaccine works, it is not possible that we will go thru this every 4-6 months...

[tvbound]

He has done everything within reason, but it’s stupidity that’s keeping us back at this point. He will save thousands of lives by forcing people to do what they should have done for themselves by this point. Yes they will kick and scream like the toddlers they insist on being, but they may save the life of someone they love or just other Americans. isn’t that enough? Isn’t that what a President should be doing?

Speaking of toddlers, gives me an idea. Maybe there should be a mandate, that a certain demographic cannot get the vaccination and booster (if/when available)? Maybe by using reverse child psychology, we can get that demographic storming vaccination centers for shots - instead of to our Capitol?

[JMintzer]

I guess you skimmed over the part where I said I rarely agreed with him. but how typical that you discount Howard Stern who apparently is intelligent enough to have found a niche and made a fortune off it. the remainder of what you said is too stupid to debate.

Why would anyone discount Howard Stern?

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[jimjamuser]

No surprise whatsoever. The older we get, the weaker our immune systems become. Then add to that the fact that "older" Americans were among the first to get vaccinated and therefore will be the first to lose immunity from the vaccine.
I agree with the contents of this post.

[JMintzer]

This is not the first time vaccines have been mandated. Every kid gets vaccinated before they can start school. Mandatory vaccines have eliminated small pox, polio, and measles. It has already been shown that the Only way to get everyone vaccinated is to mandate it. To eliminate the disease it takes everyone to be vaccinated.

No they don't...

[Escape Artist]

Decades???? Yet another "expert" on FDA policies and procedures. Try again, this time with a much lesser time frame

Well, okay, DECADE. Ten years but it can be more if there are issues along way. I know someone who works for the FDA and it's a very corrupt process, as they often shelve superior drugs for those that are pushed by lawmakers because of lobbyists in the pharm industry. He was quick to add it's that way on both sides of the aisle, one party not better than the other in that regard (favoritism).

[JMintzer]

I am always amazed at those who cavalierly quote the number of children who have died as insignificant. well, it's not if it's your kid. also, there are cases of long covid among children who even get a mild case. further those fearful of the long term effects of the vaccine should consider what it might be doing to a child's still developing brain since autopsies of covid victims show brain inflammation. we know less about the long term consequences of the virus.

More kids have died from the flu every year than have died of covid, yet we don't do anything about that...

I guess you don't care about those kids...

See how that works?

[JMintzer]

just in case fox news isn't enough for you....

Everybody drink!

[Escape Artist]

How can you say a virus cannot be eradicated? The small pox virus was eradicated. The polio virus was eradicated. How? By vaccinating a public who was not resistant to the vaccines.

Thank goodness we didn't have a population of "Karens" back then. We may be living with those viruses today if it weren't for those vaccinations that people were glad to take.

Because those were true, sterilizing vaccines that prevented infection. These vaccines, if you can call them that, don't. They aren't really vaccines, that's a misnomer.

[Byte1]

Your post jumps around allot, so much that I don't understand you. You are vaccinated..smart, yet you don't care if people die, unless you know them..odd. You call people cowards if they haven't served..??
you assume people don't know the levels of gov making the decisions, and I don't believe people want to save others, they themselves just want to feel safe.

You're right, you DON'T understand. Read much into what folks write? Did I say people that did not serve are cowards, or is this your way of attempting to provoke an argument? And that last sentence that is hardly coherent means what? Oh well, have a great weekend.....or not. :ho:

[tvbound]

I strongly agree with mandating vaccinations. Consider that when people enter the military service, they all receive a lot of shots and vaccinations, often injected at one time by air gun. They get mandatory haircuts, even if it is against their religion. Of course Covid vaccinations should be required!

And of course OSHA should be involved, as this is a matter of workplace safety. OSHA mandates when masks must be worn when removing paint, for the safety of workers. Workplace safety is their job! Keeping people away from workplace infections is part of a safe workplace.

There are a lot of jobs where you can’t work if you have tuberculosis, or AIDS, or Herpes or if you are a carrier of some strains of bacteria. Many workers are required to get tetanus shots. Smoking isn’t allowed usually in restaurants, stores, hospitals, government buildings, offices. Why? Because the smoke might hurt those who don’t smoke. The risk from Covid is much greater. One role of government is keeping us safe. These rules help keep us safe. Do you want to enter the hospital knowing that the nurse or aide or janitor there might be giving you a possibly fatal disease? I want Covid vaccinations required in medical settings! I want them required for grocery store check-out clerks!

Back when George Washington required all of the soldiers in his army to be inoculated for smallpox, I’m sure there were some who didn’t want to be, but they had to anyway, even though a couple of them caught smallpox from the inoculations and died. Those smallpox inoculations saved hundreds of lives and so helped win the war. I doubt that many of them who were inoculated would rather have contracted smallpox or given it to other people.

Excellent post.

[JMintzer]

I worked for years in healthcare. Basic immunizations, annual TB tests and annual flu shots were required for employment. I know noone that quit over the flu shot requirement.
Millions of school children are required to get basic immunizations before attending school.
Now that we have the most life threatening virus in 100 years why are people freaking out about requiring a vaccine.
I really don't understand.

Flu shots are not a requirement everywhere in health care. They are offered, but not required.

Millions of school children are also NOT required to get basic immunization. It's a local school board issue. NOT an Federal one...

[Byte1]

In NY State. vaccines are mandated to attend school. I know, as a child, I had to be vaccinated before I could attend school. All it takes is one state to mandate vaccines and the stance that vaccines are not mandated to attend school becomes moot.

School Immunization Requirements (https://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/immunization/schools/school_vaccines/)

I stand by what I said. It's not a federal mandate that children obtain vaccinations before entering public school. It is a state mandate. Quite a difference.

[Escape Artist]

I hope everyone realizes that we could have everyone on the planet vaccinated and Covid would still be with us. It's never going away. It will mutate to survive and already has, because that's what viruses do when faced with inferior prevention methods like these vaccines. It won't be eradicated until they come up with something better/more effective.

[JMintzer]

OSHA, which is a Federal department within the Department of Labor, imposes vaccine mandates for certain types of jobs, including Hep B vaccines for first responders who might be needed for collateral duty.

So yes, there is not only a history of actual federal mandates for vaccines, but the Supreme Court upholds and supports the states which impose their own vaccine requirements.

As usual, you are wrong...

From the OSH website: "HBV Vaccination
The standard requires employers to offer the
vaccination series to all workers who have
occupational exposure."

Requires employers to "OFFER the vaccine", not that the employees are REQUIRED to take it...

[jimjamuser]

So you don’t deny the facts just try to deflect. And you must be the last person watching CNN according to their ratings, LOL
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FORBES
Rankings of the most trusted brands in news show that Fox News gained ground in the six months since February 2021, while rival networks CNN and MSNBC both saw declines in trust, according to research conducted by Brand Keys for Media Post, which published the results Monday.
And as S. Weaver said in the movie, "Aliens", "has IQs dropped since I was gone?"

[JMintzer]

This isn't a nationwide mandate. If those immigrants start working in a company that has more than 100 employees, then they'll need to be vaccinated, or tested weekly. If they start working in a public school, then they'll need to be vaccinated.

LEGAL CITIZENS are not required to vaccinate, why should "illegal immigrants" be required to vaccinate?

This isn't a national mandate. Not all citizens are required to vaccinate. And of the ones who are told they do have to, most of them get an option to test weekly instead of vaccinate.

It has nothing to do with legal citizenship status.

So you don't care about the health of small business workers or illegal immigrants?

[JMintzer]

I hope that the food service workers that are cooking my food have received their required and mandatory Hep C vaccination, so why is this issue so contentious and polarized? Lots of vaccinations are required for various circumstances. My question is who is paying for those unvaccinated and hospitalized covid cases?

Required and Mandatory? I don't think so...

"While food service employers can offer hepatitis A vaccine to their employees if they wish, most public health authorities prefer not to make it mandatory for the following reasons: There is no evidence that food service workers are at any greater risk of acquiring hepatitis A than are people in other occupations."

Took all of 10 seconds to google that...

[John41]

I hope everyone realizes that we could have everyone on the planet vaccinated and Covid would still be with us. It's never going away. It will mutate to survive and already has, because that's what viruses do when faced with inferior prevention methods like these vaccines. It won't be eradicated until they come up with something better/more effective.

Covid will eventually burn itself out after a few years as did the 1918 influenza pandemic. The exception might be if Covid 19 is a gain of function engineered virus.
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"The death rate in 1918 was very high ... somewhere between 2 and 2 1/2%," Nancy Bristow, a history professor at the University of Puget Sound in Tacoma, Wash., told NPR.

[JMintzer]

I dont understand the constant reference to the borders and "all" if them coming in. You seem to be the only person that is obsessed about it. Is it fear, or something? People have been coming into this country since the beginning. I'm sure you or your parents came here. Why the prejudice toward border people?

LEGALLY... And they are typically examined for health problems...

Surely you're familiar with Ellis Island...

[JMintzer]

So the mandate is pointless.

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[JMintzer]

If people choose to remain unvaccinated, that’s their choice.
However, when they get sick, they should stay home and deal with it on their own. Stop putting undue pressure on our healthcare system/ workers. If you don’t trust science and the medical field enough to get vaccinated, why the hell would you trust them to get you better??

Do you feel the same about someone who ate poorly their whole life and has a heart attack?

What about non-compliant diabetics?

[JMintzer]

it's people like you that the vaccinated are now getting fed up with. You want the benefits of others being vaccinated without earning it. unless you are wearing a 95 mask while you are out and about, you risk others. it is selfish.

May I suggest this?

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[John41]

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[JMintzer]

We have been Vax'd. and support the Vax.
Yet, I am totally discussed with the egregious hypocrisy that Mandating businesses
to force employees to get Vax'd. 'OR ELSE!!'
The hypocrisy is that 644,000 Postal Employees have been exempted from the Vax
requirement, WHY, WHY WHY??? They can have as much contact with the public as
any other business employee!!! TOTAL B***S!!!

Union influence...

[JMintzer]

I think you might be referring to Hepatitis A, you can't get B or C from food. And I am unaware of any "required and mandated" vaccines for food service workers.

That's because there aren't any...

[Byte1]

I dont understand the constant reference to the borders and "all" if them coming in. You seem to be the only person that is obsessed about it. Is it fear, or something? People have been coming into this country since the beginning. I'm sure you or your parents came here. Why the prejudice toward border people?

Let's see, I mentioned the border once and I am obsessed by it? OK. "Constant reference?" No, I fear for the safety of STUPID people that are so full of mass hysteria that they are running amok screaming about the sky falling because less than one percent of the unvaxxed might catch covid. My opinion is that many of you do not have faith or confidence in the vaccination and are really just worried that some of these folks that are NOT vaxxed might not ever catch Covid and make you folks feel like idiots for screaming about the injustice of those that have the freedom to refuse being vaccinated.
Yes friend, lots of folks come from immigrated families, but most likely those families came here legally. You are more afraid of U.S. citizens not agreeing with you than all those that sneak into our country with misc diseases, criminals intent on evil or just plain refusing to abide by our laws. Laws which you wish to change in order to force your fellow Americans into doing things YOUR WAY.
No, I do not care about those that die that I do not know. It is a shame, but that is life (and death) and no one gets out alive. I have a friend that asked me today as to whether or not he should get the vaccination. I told him why I got mine and told him that I think that the vaccination is a miracle, but I told him that I would not make that decision for him. I told him that he should think of all the things that might happen if he doesn't and any negative things that might happen that have not yet occurred if he was to get the shots. There is less than a 1% chance that he would catch covid and die. Pretty good odds.
But folks like those on here that ostracize others that haven't received their shots, will probably be responsible for some NOT getting the shots and possibly even dying. So, when you call folks names and get snarky in your responses, take that into consideration.
If long posts are difficult for you to read because of a concentration problem, rest easy because this one is not that important. It is just my opinion.......:)

[JMintzer]

Well...we do know one thing....if you don't get the vac, you will be dying...very soon. So you might get your affairs in order for your family.

Really?

I had covid...

Almost a year before the vaccine was available. Much to the chagrin of some, I'm still here...

[jimjamuser]

The Biden administration gave amble time and enough vaccines for everyone in this country to be vaccinated by now. But with so many people getting misinformation about the vaccine we have another surge of cases and deaths. So do you really want to go through this every 4 to 6 months? This is not only affecting the unvaccinated but people are not getting the health care they need and some have died because the hospitals are filled with unvaccinated Covid cases. Health care workers are at the brink, and they are exhausted. This virus will not go away and its a good chance it will mutate to a strain that the vaccine may not have any effect on. This is the right thing to do, we did this with small pox and polio vaccines and they were mandated for every American be vaccinated against these horrible diseases. So I ask you, do you want to get back to a time before the virus or do you want to live with outbreak after outbreak?
Well-written post!

[JMintzer]

They are all required to be vaccinated, unless they have a medical reason to not be vaccinated.

Wrong, once again...

Lawmakers call for COVID-19 vaccine requirement on Capitol Hill (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/08/04/lawmakers-call-covid-19-vaccine-requirement-capitol-hill/5486751001/)

[JMintzer]

Vaxxed people are in danger because of at least 2 reasons....
1 ) if you have cancer and need a body part removed then there may be no hospital bed available for said surgery - the cancer spreads and you DIE
2 ) The VIRUS mutates into a variant that can NOT be stopped by ANY vaccine and most of us DIES

Actually, most who contract Covid survive... Most, by a HUGE margin...

[jimjamuser]

I would question anyone’s intellectual capacity if they agree with howard stern. Just because people do not want to be vaccinated, does not mean they are ignorant or careless. The numbers for people who have died of the virus are cooked and the agencies who, supposedly, advise on medical needs of the public have been shown to be biased, political and blatant liars. If you believe that a virus can be eradicated, it is you who do not rely on facts. Maybe it is, you who is the idiot.
I disagree with the content of this post.

[JMintzer]

I’m sorry your lockdowns didn’t work.
I’m sorry your masks don’t work.
I’m sorry the vaccine doesn’t work better than a placebo.

Just to be clear, a laboratory that creates “gain of function” in viruses is making them more lethal. They are weaponizing those viruses. It is research for the purpose of biological warfare. Funded by the US taxpayers at the behest of Fauci.

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[JMintzer]

This is dated July 30, 2021. This is old news.

Less than 6 weeks ago... It's ancient!

[Bill14564]

I would agree with vaccine mandates IF illegals were required to be vaxed which they are not for political purposes. So far this years more unvaxed illegals have entered the US than the population of Vermont.

If by "for political purposes" you mean "because it would likely be unconstitutional", then okay.

The new mandates affect employment rules for federal employees, federal contractors, certain health care workers, and employees of companies with 100 or more employees. If you are not in one of those groups (retirees, unemployed, employee of a small bicycle shop or restaurant, etc) then the mandates don't affect you. I assume your "illegals" are not in one of those groups.

We can agree or disagree with the mandates but we MUST have a clue what we are talking about.

[Byte1]

Government mandated vaccines began with George Washington during the Revolutionary War.

It has continued throughout history for military personnel (who are US Citizens, for the most part).

The US Supreme Court also supports states that mandate vaccines, although that's not a federal mandate, it's federal support of a state mandate.

OSHA, which is a Federal department within the Department of Labor, imposes vaccine mandates for certain types of jobs, including Hep B vaccines for first responders who might be needed for collateral duty.

So yes, there is not only a history of actual federal mandates for vaccines, but the Supreme Court upholds and supports the states which impose their own vaccine requirements.

A simple, "yes, you are correct" would be sufficient. No federal mandate for school children to be vaccinated before entering school. And, George Washington ordered the military to be vaccinated and they still do. But, that is the military and they have a tendency to travel overseas where there are a lot of deadly diseases.
FYI, running around the bush does not mean the bush is not there. NO FEDERAL MANDATE.

[JMintzer]

In NY State. vaccines are mandated to attend school. I know, as a child, I had to be vaccinated before I could attend school. All it takes is one state to mandate vaccines and the stance that vaccines are not mandated to attend school becomes moot.

School Immunization Requirements (https://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/immunization/schools/school_vaccines/)

NY State is not the center of the universe (although many feel it is... :icon_wink: )

[JMintzer]

How can you say a virus cannot be eradicated? The small pox virus was eradicated. The polio virus was eradicated. How? By vaccinating a public who was not resistant to the vaccines.

Thank goodness we didn't have a population of "Karens" back then. We may be living with those viruses today if it weren't for those vaccinations that people were glad to take.

Both of those were naturally occurring viruses. Unlike Covid...

[golfing eagles]

That's because there aren't any...

I was being polite

[JMintzer]

I was being polite

Sorry, it's a foreign concept these days... :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[jimjamuser]

I agree, but they have had plenty of time to get the vac and they just won't do it. People need to be able to work w/o fearing they will catch something from a coworker and bring it home to their family....to knowingly (possibly) spread a disease is not a right. It's not political...the putting the foot down may be, but the mandate is not.
Could this new rule been handled differently, of course, by not allowing, what's so ever- nonvaxers into public situations, but that too comes across political, as we have experienced. Maybe this is our only answer.
I heard one guy on a talk show last night say... what is wrong with this country? Other countries face the same thing, but they don't react like us... they help each other and get the shot. I guess our selfishness just shines.
Many other countries believe in solving their problems through TEAMWORK. The US takes a frontier mentality about the INDIVIDUAL being the center of problem-solving. Today the US is particularly vulnerable to being split along tribal lines with respect to EVERY problem. This is due to dark media and to Facebook's software which leads its users progressively off the center toward either right or left. I am sure that there are other factors also. Those are some of the reasons that the US has reacted more in opposition to Public Health suggestions, and now MANDATES, than Europe and the Asian area countries have.

[Byte1]

PLEASE...explain your comment

Please let me make it simple for you. He/she meant the BLACK predecessor, not the Orange one. Probably didn't want to get points for a political post, that some folks get away with.

[JMintzer]

Please let me make it simple for you. He/she meant the BLACK predecessor, not the Orange one. Probably didn't want to get points for a political post, that some folks get away with.

People get away with political posts?

News to me! :icon_wink::icon_wink::icon_wink:

[coffeebean]

Do you believe it's right that illegal immigrants are not included in the mandate?

Not right at all. If anyone of them refuses the vaccine, they should be sent back to where they came from.

[Byte1]

Really?

I had covid...

Almost a year before the vaccine was available. Much to the chagrin of some, I'm still here...

In the last two weeks, I have been visited by five family members that have had Covid and survived. One had it twice. Of course, they tested prior to visiting even though I did not even suggest it. I'm not worried about it. I had my shots and if I am one of the very, very few that have a break through (or whatever they call it) then I will still have had the greatest privilege of being able to visit with loved ones.

I appreciate your candor, wit and expertise. :thumbup:

[unialimon]

Well...we do know one thing....if you don't get the vac, you will be dying...very soon. So you might get your affairs in order for your family.

I think you have your facts wrong, it's the other way around.

[Byte1]

Not right at all. If anyone of them refuses the vaccine, they should be sent back to where they came from.

Better yet, give them the vaccination and then send them back to where they came from..:coolsmiley:

[coffeebean]

This is another ridiculous argument that I see posted a lot. Just because someone doesn’t want to subject themselves to a new technology vaccine, with no long term studies, doesn’t mean that they don’t believe in modern medicine. You may be comfortable taking part in the largest vaccine trial in history. Clearly not everyone does.

Regeneron is approved by the FDA for emergency use authorization just like the Moderna vaccine. The Pfizer mRNA vaccine does have full FDA approval. So, there is trust in a medication that does not have full FDA approval yet no trust in a vaccine that does have full FDA approval. Go figure.

[coffeebean]

So much misinformation. The idiots in the WH mandate masks and science has stated wearing a cloth mask does nothing to protect you or anybody else from the virus. You need the medical mask but nobody uses them.
How many deaths to people that received the shot? Is the gullible left going to be responsible for my family if I die from the vaccine? How about a pregnant mom gets the shot and her newborn has a defect or still born? None of you vaccine promoters know nothing about how these shots are going to affect people


COVID-19 Vaccines While Pregnant or Breastfeeding (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/pregnancy.html)

[jimjamuser]

I am always amazed at those who cavalierly quote the number of children who have died as insignificant. well, it's not if it's your kid. also, there are cases of long covid among children who even get a mild case. further those fearful of the long term effects of the vaccine should consider what it might be doing to a child's still developing brain since autopsies of covid victims show brain inflammation. we know less about the long term consequences of the virus.
I agree with the contents of this post.

[John Mayes]

Vaccine mandates was taken to the Supreme Court over the small pox vaccine and the Court stood with the vaccine mandates and I'm sure this court case will be used to deny any lawsuits to stop the vaccine mandates. At least I hope this Supreme Court stands by the law and not an opinion.

That case was in response to a State mandate…..not federal.

[coffeebean]

If people have been vaccinated and are still afraid to go out because I am not, stay home. I certainly am not staying home.
I just saw a commercial for candles and the lady was checking their scents with her mask on. So how does wearing a mask protect me.

An N95 or equivalent mask will protect you and it will protect people around you if you just happen to be asymptomatic with Covid. Cloth masks are protective ONLY IF everyone wears them. That is what Universal masking is all about. Your mask protects me and my mask protects you. Universal masking will not work because we just do not have the compliance in this country. Sad really. Especially with all those folks who refuse to wear masks who are not vaccinated.

[John Mayes]

I disagree with you 100%. If people are so stupid not to get vaccinated then mandating vaccination in the worst public health crisis in 1100 years is the right way to go.

You disagree that this will be fast tracked to the Supreme Court?

[coffeebean]

I stand by what I said. It's not a federal mandate that children obtain vaccinations before entering public school. It is a state mandate. Quite a difference.
OK. Agree. Fair enough.

[coffeebean]

Both of those were naturally occurring viruses. Unlike Covid...

Are you saying a virus that was created in a laboratory can not be eradicated? Please understand, I am not saying that the Covid virus was created in a laboratory. I have no idea if it was or wasn't.

[JoeinFL]

Do you feel the same about someone who ate poorly their whole life and has a heart attack?

What about non-compliant diabetics?

It must be nice to have an answer for everything.
And secondly. Yes. We all make choices. If you don’t take care of yourself, why should it be someone else’s responsibility?

[conman5652@aol.com]

Shot or no shot.
If u don’t want the shots fine. But if u become infected then hospitals should have right to tell u we will not help u. Too many people in the health care have died trying to save them because of the miss information given out by autocratic party (republicans).
Why are u not screaming about doctors and hospitals making u ware a mask to see them. Why Isn’t that a infringement on ur freedom?
Isn’t u being sick with any COVID 19 a infringement on hospitals personnel freedom to stay alive

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