About that drone strike

[SkBlogW]

After the drone strike, the headlines announced:

U.S. drone strike kills ‘multiple suicide bombers’ in Afghanistan, officials say

General Miley deemed it a "righteous strike"

But they never actually named the supposed Isis K "planners" killed in the strike.

The New York Times investigated and tell a different story. They killed a US Aid worker and 9 other innocent people including 3 children.

The New York Times and Washington Post say the strike the US said targeted an Islamic State operative actually killed an aid worker on daily duties in Kabul.

Afghanistan: US media cast doubt on Kabul drone strike (https://news.yahoo.com/afghanistan-us-media-cast-doubt-121151393.html)

Examining a "righteous strike" WAPO

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2021/kabul-drone-strike-questions/

‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person? - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/asia/100000007963596/us-drone-attack-kabul-investigation.html)

Times Investigation: In U.S. Drone Strike, Evidence Suggests No ISIS Bomb

In US Drone Strike, Evidence Suggests No ISIS Bomb - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/10/world/asia/us-air-strike-drone-kabul-afghanistan-isis.html)

Military Analysis Raises Questions About Deadly Drone Strike in Kabul

Military Analysis Raises Questions About Deadly Drone Strike in Kabul - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/05/us/politics/military-drone-strike-kabul.html)

‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person?

US Kabul drone strike appears to have killed an Afghan who worked for a US aid group: report

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/last-act-in-afghanistan-biden-drones-the-wrong-guy

So much for "over the horizon anti terrorist capabilities. Sounds more like a "wag the dog strike" than a "righteous strike.

[Aces4]

After the drone strike, the headlines announced:

U.S. drone strike kills ‘multiple suicide bombers’ in Afghanistan, officials say

General Miley deemed it a "righteous strike"

But they never actually named the supposed Isis K "planners" killed in the strike.

The New York Times investigated and tell a different story. They killed a US Aid worker and 9 other innocent people including 3 children.

The New York Times and Washington Post say the strike the US said targeted an Islamic State operative actually killed an aid worker on daily duties in Kabul.

Afghanistan: US media cast doubt on Kabul drone strike (https://news.yahoo.com/afghanistan-us-media-cast-doubt-121151393.html)

Examining a "righteous strike" WAPO

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2021/kabul-drone-strike-questions/

‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person? - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/asia/100000007963596/us-drone-attack-kabul-investigation.html)

Times Investigation: In U.S. Drone Strike, Evidence Suggests No ISIS Bomb

In US Drone Strike, Evidence Suggests No ISIS Bomb - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/10/world/asia/us-air-strike-drone-kabul-afghanistan-isis.html)

Military Analysis Raises Questions About Deadly Drone Strike in Kabul

Military Analysis Raises Questions About Deadly Drone Strike in Kabul - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/05/us/politics/military-drone-strike-kabul.html)

‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person?

US Kabul drone strike appears to have killed an Afghan who worked for a US aid group: report

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/last-act-in-afghanistan-biden-drones-the-wrong-guy

So much for "over the horizon anti terrorist capabilities. Sounds more like a "wag the dog strike" than a "righteous strike.




Everyone is too busy sweeping it under the rug to explain and it doesn’t interest most of the news media.

[Taltarzac725]

Kabul attack: Ten family members, including children, dead after US strike - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/29/asia/afghanistan-kabul-evacuation-intl/index.html)

More Googling.

After the drone strike, the headlines announced:

U.S. drone strike kills ‘multiple suicide bombers’ in Afghanistan, officials say

General Miley deemed it a "righteous strike"

But they never actually named the supposed Isis K "planners" killed in the strike.

The New York Times investigated and tell a different story. They killed a US Aid worker and 9 other innocent people including 3 children.

The New York Times and Washington Post say the strike the US said targeted an Islamic State operative actually killed an aid worker on daily duties in Kabul.

Afghanistan: US media cast doubt on Kabul drone strike (https://news.yahoo.com/afghanistan-us-media-cast-doubt-121151393.html)

Examining a "righteous strike" WAPO

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2021/kabul-drone-strike-questions/

‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person? - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/asia/100000007963596/us-drone-attack-kabul-investigation.html)

Times Investigation: In U.S. Drone Strike, Evidence Suggests No ISIS Bomb

In US Drone Strike, Evidence Suggests No ISIS Bomb - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/10/world/asia/us-air-strike-drone-kabul-afghanistan-isis.html)

Military Analysis Raises Questions About Deadly Drone Strike in Kabul

Military Analysis Raises Questions About Deadly Drone Strike in Kabul - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/05/us/politics/military-drone-strike-kabul.html)

‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person?

US Kabul drone strike appears to have killed an Afghan who worked for a US aid group: report

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/last-act-in-afghanistan-biden-drones-the-wrong-guy

So much for "over the horizon anti terrorist capabilities. Sounds more like a "wag the dog strike" than a "righteous strike.

[Taltarzac725]

Everyone is too busy sweeping it under the rug to explain and it doesn’t interest most of the news media.

Kabul attack: Ten family members, including children, dead after US strike - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/29/asia/afghanistan-kabul-evacuation-intl/index.html)

It is not being swept under the rug.

[PugMom]

i saw that in the UKDailyMail. i don't know what to think or believe anymore. what 1 person says another will deny. such an awful mess

[jdulej]

Could be just another batch of lies from the same generals who have been lying about our great progress in Afghanistan for the past 20 years. Anybody really surprised?

[holger danske]

They gave authority to use the drone strikes to "lower Level" commanders who were probably anxious to avenge the killing of Marines at the airport entrance. The fog of war may not apply in this case.

Appears this went all the way up the CENTCOM chain of command. Not the fault of the grunt who pushed the button. Generals need to be held accountable.

[MrFlorida]

I don't watch the news anymore, or believe anything the government says, it's all propaganda .

[SkBlogW]

They gave authority to use the drone strikes to "lower Level" commanders who were probably anxious to avenge the killing of Marines at the airport entrance. The fog of war may not apply in this case.

Nonsense. Overseas drone strikes require approval of "the big guy"

Correction to OP. It was 9 members of the aid worker's family killed in the strike, including his 7 children,

Imagine if your average american ran over and killed a family of ten in a crosswalk. Then tells the judge and jury that they were terrorists, and their suicide vests all detonated.

The needle or life behind bars at least.

[Topspinmo]

Could be just another batch of lies from the same generals who have been lying about our great progress in Afghanistan for the past 20 years. Anybody really surprised?


Funny how military works when reporting to career politicians, no career politicians want to here bad news. So what happens in the trenches at lowest level incidence hardly even gets reported correctly to high levels. It goes through several layers of supervision and management all putting there twist on it so they look good for promotions.

[Topspinmo]

Appears this went all the way up the CENTCOM chain of command. Not the fault of the grunt who pushed the button. Generals need to be held accountable.


See my post, not going to happen.

[Two Bills]

I had a company commander who had a sign on his wall saying, 'The Buck stops at the man below me!'

[John41]

I had a company commander who had a sign on his wall saying, 'The Buck stops at the man below me!'

The Peter Principle explains how Milley and Austin got to their positions.
———————-
The Peter Principle is a concept in management developed by Laurence J. Peter, which observes that people in a hierarchy tend to rise to their "maximum level of incompetence":

[Topspinmo]

I had a company commander who had a sign on his wall saying, 'The Buck stops at the man below me!'


Should of read 5 men below me.:shocked:

[kendi]

After the drone strike, the headlines announced:

U.S. drone strike kills ‘multiple suicide bombers’ in Afghanistan, officials say

General Miley deemed it a "righteous strike"

But they never actually named the supposed Isis K "planners" killed in the strike.

The New York Times investigated and tell a different story. They killed a US Aid worker and 9 other innocent people including 3 children.

The New York Times and Washington Post say the strike the US said targeted an Islamic State operative actually killed an aid worker on daily duties in Kabul.

Afghanistan: US media cast doubt on Kabul drone strike (https://news.yahoo.com/afghanistan-us-media-cast-doubt-121151393.html)

Examining a "righteous strike" WAPO

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2021/kabul-drone-strike-questions/

‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person? - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/asia/100000007963596/us-drone-attack-kabul-investigation.html)

Times Investigation: In U.S. Drone Strike, Evidence Suggests No ISIS Bomb

In US Drone Strike, Evidence Suggests No ISIS Bomb - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/10/world/asia/us-air-strike-drone-kabul-afghanistan-isis.html)

Military Analysis Raises Questions About Deadly Drone Strike in Kabul

Military Analysis Raises Questions About Deadly Drone Strike in Kabul - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/05/us/politics/military-drone-strike-kabul.html)

‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person?

US Kabul drone strike appears to have killed an Afghan who worked for a US aid group: report

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/last-act-in-afghanistan-biden-drones-the-wrong-guy

So much for "over the horizon anti terrorist capabilities. Sounds more like a "wag the dog strike" than a "righteous strike.

I take any of these reports with a grain of salt. Bottom line is we really don’t know who was killed and likely never will. Sad that honesty is not the best policy in reporting

[merrymini]

Milley was too busy changing pronouns in military pamphlets.

[fastboat]

After the drone strike, the headlines announced:

U.S. drone strike kills ‘multiple suicide bombers’ in Afghanistan, officials say

General Miley deemed it a "righteous strike"

But they never actually named the supposed Isis K "planners" killed in the strike.

The New York Times investigated and tell a different story. They killed a US Aid worker and 9 other innocent people including 3 children.

The New York Times and Washington Post say the strike the US said targeted an Islamic State operative actually killed an aid worker on daily duties in Kabul.

Afghanistan: US media cast doubt on Kabul drone strike (https://news.yahoo.com/afghanistan-us-media-cast-doubt-121151393.html)

Examining a "righteous strike" WAPO

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2021/kabul-drone-strike-questions/

‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person? - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/asia/100000007963596/us-drone-attack-kabul-investigation.html)

Times Investigation: In U.S. Drone Strike, Evidence Suggests No ISIS Bomb

In US Drone Strike, Evidence Suggests No ISIS Bomb - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/10/world/asia/us-air-strike-drone-kabul-afghanistan-isis.html)

Military Analysis Raises Questions About Deadly Drone Strike in Kabul

Military Analysis Raises Questions About Deadly Drone Strike in Kabul - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/05/us/politics/military-drone-strike-kabul.html)

‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person?

US Kabul drone strike appears to have killed an Afghan who worked for a US aid group: report

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/last-act-in-afghanistan-biden-drones-the-wrong-guy

So much for "over the horizon anti terrorist capabilities. Sounds more like a "wag the dog strike" than a "righteous strike.

"They" have NO idea who the suspected bomb planner was. They just lobbed a bomb into a crowd of people and claimed they got the bomber to make the real story go away.

[gpk111]

I saw a large secondary explosion, implying that the targeted truck was loaded with explosives.

It was parked in a densely populated neigborhood, presumably on purpose to avoid detection. The sad killing of the aid worker was unintentional.

The media is now shifting the succesful military and intelligence story to one of blame, surely with the help of the Taliban.

What am I missing?

[SkBlogW]

“The procedures were correctly followed and it was a righteous strike” Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said afterward.

Some of the kids killed.

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Here's a video at NY Times that will tell you everything you need to know.

‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person? - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/asia/100000007963596/us-drone-attack-kabul-investigation.html)

[Billy1]

After the drone strike, the headlines announced:

U.S. drone strike kills ‘multiple suicide bombers’ in Afghanistan, officials say

General Miley deemed it a "righteous strike"

But they never actually named the supposed Isis K "planners" killed in the strike.

The New York Times investigated and tell a different story. They killed a US Aid worker and 9 other innocent people including 3 children.

The New York Times and Washington Post say the strike the US said targeted an Islamic State operative actually killed an aid worker on daily duties in Kabul.

Afghanistan: US media cast doubt on Kabul drone strike (https://news.yahoo.com/afghanistan-us-media-cast-doubt-121151393.html)

Examining a "righteous strike" WAPO

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2021/kabul-drone-strike-questions/

‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person? - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/asia/100000007963596/us-drone-attack-kabul-investigation.html)

Times Investigation: In U.S. Drone Strike, Evidence Suggests No ISIS Bomb

In US Drone Strike, Evidence Suggests No ISIS Bomb - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/10/world/asia/us-air-strike-drone-kabul-afghanistan-isis.html)

Military Analysis Raises Questions About Deadly Drone Strike in Kabul

Military Analysis Raises Questions About Deadly Drone Strike in Kabul - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/05/us/politics/military-drone-strike-kabul.html)

‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person?

US Kabul drone strike appears to have killed an Afghan who worked for a US aid group: report

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/last-act-in-afghanistan-biden-drones-the-wrong-guy

So much for "over the horizon anti terrorist capabilities. Sounds more like a "wag the dog strike" than a "righteous strike.

Let us thank God we re out of Afghanistan.

[jdulej]

“The procedures were correctly followed and it was a righteous strike” Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said afterward.

Some of the kids killed.

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Here's a video at NY Times that will tell you everything you need to know.

‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person? - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/asia/100000007963596/us-drone-attack-kabul-investigation.html)

This is a sad moment, but is it any different from the thousands, or tens of thousands of kids killed in Afghanistan over the past 20 years. Oh, wait, there is a difference - it happened under Biden's watch, and he's the right's current bad guy.

[Billy1]

I read the Peter Principle many years ago, I believe they have a new name for the concept now, but I agree with the principle. Old memories came back.

[MandoMan]

Remember the thirteen U.S. troops killed a few days before because the Taliban “guarding” the road to the airport allowed a suicide bomber to get past their checkpoints? Remember the “credible threat” that another bomb was about to be set off? Was there immense pressure to keep that from happening? Did the guy in the car look highly suspicious to people watching on satellite or drone images? Yes! Is there a lag time between when the order to strike is given and when the drone hits? Yes. Would you rather that the guy who gave the order hesitate until after another bomb had gone off? Are you glad the hit was made in an enclosed courtyard instead of on a busy street where hundreds might have been killed? I’m sorry the kids died, but so did those 13 troops. Go complain to their families! Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty, right? Don’t try to politicize this. I think the right decision was made.

[lkagele]

i saw that in the UKDailyMail. i don't know what to think or believe anymore. what 1 person says another will deny. such an awful mess

The investigation was done by the NY Times, hardly a far right publication. The investigation was thorough including surveillance video of this guys travels throughout the day.

Our woke military is becoming a joke. Can't tell the difference between bombs and water jugs.

[jdulej]

The investigation was done by the NY Times, hardly a far right publication. The investigation was thorough including surveillance video of this guys travels throughout the day.

Our woke military is becoming a joke. Can't tell the difference between bombs and water jugs.
Seriously? Do you remember "Smart Bombs" we used in Iraq? It took longer to find out that it was all BS. I think the military spewing lies has not stayed ahead of people's ability to find the truth.

[SkBlogW]

I saw a large secondary explosion, implying that the targeted truck was loaded with explosives.

It was parked in a densely populated neigborhood, presumably on purpose to avoid detection. The sad killing of the aid worker was unintentional.

The media is now shifting the succesful military and intelligence story to one of blame, surely with the help of the Taliban.

What am I missing?

You saw a gas tank explode. Even a moron could see that the car was not loaded with explosives because the wall 2 feet from the car is still standing.

The car was parked in the aid worker's home after his day of running errands, bringing water etc. Which is why 7 children died.

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[Fassinof]

So much lying from our government from the top down. And, unfortunately had to watch a walking corpse try to commemorate those that passed on 9/11.

[jdulej]

So much lying from our government from the top down. And, unfortunately had to watch a walking corpse try to commemorate those that passed on 9/11.

At least he (and all other living pres except Carter who is sick) showed up.

[Topspinmo]

At least he (and all other living pres except Carter who is sick) showed up.

Maybe they wasn’t invited.

[Geodyssey]

Could be just another batch of lies from the same generals who have been lying about our great progress in Afghanistan for the past 20 years. Anybody really surprised?

No, not surprised. The whole war was based on fake info. Started & ended terribly. What a waste.

But some people did well, including military contractors & their stockholders and "Our Greatest Ally".

[jimjamuser]

One of many blunders. More to come. Incompetence and misinformation at the top levels of government and the military.
There is a general statement that is helpful here - without any moraL judgment or in-depth research into facts or fictions.....................the FOG of WAR!

[jimjamuser]

oops
It is OK to say oops as long as you are NOT a brain surgeon.

[jimjamuser]

I saw a large secondary explosion, implying that the targeted truck was loaded with explosives.

It was parked in a densely populated neigborhood, presumably on purpose to avoid detection. The sad killing of the aid worker was unintentional.

The media is now shifting the succesful military and intelligence story to one of blame, surely with the help of the Taliban.

What am I missing?
Sounds likely to me.

[jimjamuser]

Let us thank God we re out of Afghanistan.
Getting in was good. Getting out was good, but would have been better after bin Laden "slipped" out of Afghanistan. Nation-building was a myth and probably a result of GREED, which may drive MOST human behavior.

[jimjamuser]

The investigation was done by the NY Times, hardly a far right publication. The investigation was thorough including surveillance video of this guys travels throughout the day.

Our woke military is becoming a joke. Can't tell the difference between bombs and water jugs.
Well, I say to bring back the non-volunteer military by some "luck of the draw" methods. I worry that the all-volunteer force could turn on US citizens. And fix the leaders in Wa. by having term limits - return to citizen government. Also 6-year terms for the Supreme Court. And change the name to something less dictator-sounding.

[SkBlogW]

Sure. Wasn't invited, didn't whine about it, decided to go to a third rate boxing match. Sounds just like him.

At least he wasn't pulling the trigger on a wag the dog drone strike that killed a family of 10.

[Cindyd]

They gave authority to use the drone strikes to "lower Level" commanders who were probably anxious to avenge the killing of Marines at the airport entrance. The fog of war may not apply in this case.

How do you know who gave the order? Pls share source.

[Cindyd]

I take any of these reports with a grain of salt. Bottom line is we really don’t know who was killed and likely never will. Sad that honesty is not the best policy in reporting



We should insist on knowing the truth

[Cindyd]

"They" have NO idea who the suspected bomb planner was. They just lobbed a bomb into a crowd of people and claimed they got the bomber to make the real story go away.

Someone has the footage from drone itself, and they people on the ground have an idea. There are still reporters in Afghanistan, just not US military….not sure if all NATO military and/or embassies have left on not. That would be interesting to know, as it’s reported they have over 1000 people behind enemy lines.

[Doctor Who]

Shawk and Awe.......kill them all....remember/

[Fassinof]

I think there was one other President not in attendance. I hope this meets the moderators superior approval.

[jdulej]

At least he wasn't pulling the trigger on a wag the dog drone strike that killed a family of 10.

Setting the scene - in the situation room, staring at a green tinted drone liveview, " tell the driver to blow up those kids over there, that'll teach 'em"

Sadly, I can imagine one of our commander-in-chiefs doing that, but it's not the current one.

[SkBlogW]

Setting the scene - in the situation room, staring at a green tinted drone liveview, " tell the driver to blow up those kids over there, that'll teach 'em"

Sadly, I can imagine one of our commander-in-chiefs doing that, but it's not the current one.

Interesting spin. Only problem is that the current one did indeed do just that.

[Bay Kid]

Killing a few will take our mind off the terrible job of leaving Afghanistan and turning everything over to the current Taliban leaders/murders.

[TSO/ISPF]

How do you know who gave the order? Pls share source.

It was mentioned in the video report from the Times I saw on this. They did seem to do a thorough job, including having the blast site analyzed by 'experts' in such things indicating that there was no large secondary explosion. Saw something this morning that the military is investigating.

US military investigating Kabul drone strike (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-military-investigating-kabul-drone-strike/ar-AAOpcZY?ocid=winp1taskbar)

[Byte1]

Died from friendly fire? Say it isn't so. Like that has never happened before. Not giving anyone an out on the responsibility but this is not a unheard of disaster.