9-11 Ceremonies God Bless NYC

[Penglobal]

I'm currently watching livestream events of several ceremonies occurring from NYC commemorating the events that occurred 20 years ago to the date. As a proud American, I feel very sad for the events that occurred in lower Manhattan and I hope that this country has grown and learned in order to prevent these events from ever occurring again.

Unfortunately with the current political climate occurring throughout the world, I believe that's its only a matter of time when another 9-11 event occurs on our soil.

Understanding that it is impossible for any government to guarantee 100% safety for all its citizens, do you guys believe that our government is taking all the appropriate steps to make our country as safe as possible to avoid another 9-11 tragedy?

[coffeebean]

I would hope the intel we have now is more sophisticated and the agencies that keep us safe need to communicate with each other. That communication was lacking or non existent back then which led to the events on 9/11.

[Bogie Shooter]

Another thread for the political posters with their dog whistles……………….

[John41]

I would hope the intel we have now is more sophisticated and the agencies that keep us safe need to communicate with each other. That communication was lacking or non existent back then which led to the events on 9/11.

Actually credible warnings were given to government agencies which ignored them. Middle Eastern persons taking 747 lessons learning only how to bank right, etc. Of course the woke of that time thought that was profiling so thousands died. And Americans will die again from our woke military and intel agencies.

[Dana1963]

Another thread for the political posters with their dog whistles……………….
If only the PDB was read

[Vikingjunior]

I would hope the intel we have now is more sophisticated and the agencies that keep us safe need to communicate with each other. That communication was lacking or non existent back then which led to the events on 9/11.

Our so called modern intel surely didn't save those 13 servicemen in Afgan.

[Gpsma]

No..another thread from all the patriots that werent.

Tired of it

[Penglobal]

Another thread for the political posters with their dog whistles……………….


No, you have me confused with someone else as I am genuinely concerned about our nations safety and only wish that we all could just get along for the wellness of our country.

I fear that another 9-11 type tragedy is only one lunatic's bizarre dream away.

[frose]

oh yea we learned. here it is 20 years later and the same taliban leaders are back in control of afganistan. you have to ask yourself how this could be, then look around washinton and you know.

[EdFNJ]

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[Nucky]

We had a chance to go to the Memorial on Greenwich St in Manhattan last month. It sure is an impressive thing to see. I'm not certain how long ago since I made it over there but it was still a mess last time we saw it.

So many memories, so many people hurt. So much progress made just to have that progress flushed by the resent events is a damned shame.

The smoke from the towers was in our yard the next morning. People couldn't go back into Staten Island. We lived in Elizabeth at the time. It was sad all the way around. No food, no water, people had to sleep in their cars. No phone service so the stranded people couldn't contact home to let them know they were okay and they couldn't find out how their families all over the five boroughs were doing. We went to B.J.'S in Linden N.J. and bought water, diapers, food items and drove around doing the best we could. Many many other people were doing the same thing. It was like a team. The people on our block cooked an amazing amount of food and just kept hauling it out to those in need.

The pictures that friends brought back from the site were unbelievable. The guys who worked at night on the machinery work heavy duty masks with oxygen from work even though the people in charge were saying the air quality was fine.

I'm so sorry for all the pain that was dealt out by those Bastards that day. I still struggle but not like I did in the beginning. I went to get professional help.

Here's to a better future for all of us!

[blueash]

oh yea we learned. here it is 20 years later and the same taliban leaders are back in control of afganistan. you have to ask yourself how this could be, then look around washinton and you know.

You may wish to read the Doha agreements (https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf) AKA "Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan" made between the US government and the Taliban and signed in February 2020. It begins with:
The United States is committed to withdraw from Afghanistan all military forces of the United States, its allies, and Coalition partners, including all non-diplomatic civilian personnel, private security contractors, trainers, advisors, and supporting services personnel within fourteen (14) months following announcement of this agreement If you are calendar challenged, 14 months after Feb 2020 is April 2021, all US forces are to be out. Everyone had plenty of warning..
You may even recall who was in control of the state department in 2020. Of particular interest in regard to your assessment are sections D and E of Part One which says that the US government will remove all Taliban members from our list of sanctions so that they can participate. The effect of this section was to allow those who were on our list of terrorists to come off the list and be part of the political process in Afghanistan.

D. With the start of intra-Afghan negotiations, the United States will initiate an administrative review of current U.S. sanctions and the rewards list against members of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban with the goal of removing these sanctions by August 27, 2020, which corresponds to Muharram 8, 1442 on the Hijri Lunar calendar and Saunbola 6, 1399 on the Hijri Solar calendar.
E. With the start of intra-Afghan negotiations, the United States will start diplomatic engagement with other members of the United Nations Security Council and Afghanistan to remove members of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban from the sanctions list with the aim of achieving this objective by May 29, 2020, which corresponds to Shawwal 6, 1441 on the Hijri Lunar calendar and Jawza 9, 1399 on the Hijri Solar calendar.


Now tell me again about how this could be and suggest again I look at those in Washington. Instead you might want to look at those living on the coast of Florida who set the date for US withdrawal and specifically said those in the Taliban would no longer be subject to sanctions. This agreement did not require the approval of the House or Senate and was entirely the product of the executive branch.

These facts may not fit your world view of how the US came to withdraw and have the Taliban take over, but it is the actual truth of the matter.

[EdFNJ]

We had a chance to go to the Memorial on Greenwich St in Manhattan last month. It sure is an impressive thing to see. I'm not certain how long ago since I made it over there but it was still a mess last time we saw it.

So many memories, so many people hurt. So much progress made just to have that progress flushed by the resent events is a damned shame.

The smoke from the towers was in our yard the next morning. People couldn't go back into Staten Island. We lived in Elizabeth at the time. It was sad all the way around. No food, no water, people had to sleep in their cars. No phone service so the stranded people couldn't contact home to let them know they were okay and they couldn't find out how their families all over the five boroughs were doing. We went to B.J.'S in Linden N.J. and bought water, diapers, food items and drove around doing the best we could. Many many other people were doing the same thing. It was like a team. The people on our block cooked an amazing amount of food and just kept hauling it out to those in need.

The pictures that friends brought back from the site were unbelievable. The guys who worked at night on the machinery work heavy duty masks with oxygen from work even though the people in charge were saying the air quality was fine.

I'm so sorry for all the pain that was dealt out by those Bastards that day. I still struggle but not like I did in the beginning. I went to get professional help.

Here's to a better future for all of us! I know how you feel. I worked in NYC on 9th ave and 15th St (Chelsea Market) as a "leased" I.T. guy for a Fashion company. I would always take the Path from Newark into WTC thru JC that got in to WTC at 8:50AM and either walk the 2miles or take the subway. Fortunately I was sick that day as my timing would have been perfect. Wasn't easy going back in after that.

[Bay Kid]

oh yea we learned. here it is 20 years later and the same taliban leaders are back in control of afganistan. you have to ask yourself how this could be, then look around washinton and you know.

Isn't that strange. Released to go kill again.

[holger danske]

You may wish to read the Doha agreements (https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf) AKA "Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan" made between the US government and the Taliban and signed in February 2020. It begins with:
If you are calendar challenged, 14 months after Feb 2020 is April 2021, all US forces are to be out. Everyone had plenty of warning..
You may even recall who was in control of the state department in 2020. Of particular interest in regard to your assessment are sections D and E of Part One which says that the US government will remove all Taliban members from our list of sanctions so that they can participate. The effect of this section was to allow those who were on our list of terrorists to come off the list and be part of the political process in Afghanistan.

Now tell me again about how this could be and suggest again I look at those in Washington. Instead you might want to look at those living on the coast of Florida who set the date for US withdrawal and specifically said those in the Taliban would no longer be subject to sanctions. This agreement did not require the approval of the House or Senate and was entirely the product of the executive branch.

These facts may not fit your world view of how the US came to withdraw and have the Taliban take over, but it is the actual truth of the matter.

In reality no sanctions were ever actually lifted after this agreement, either by Trump or Biden.
D. an E encompassed a classic "quid pro quo" with the US agreeing to "start" a process after the initiation of negotiations. The target dates were goals to goose along the start
of negotiations. They were not "hard" timelines that bound us. Because of much bickering the negotiations didn't actually begin until Sep 2020 . This was well after the target dates expired. Yes, there was a mutual prisoner release but nothing else appears to be agreed upon by the Taliban and the Afghan government. The Taliban is still today complaining that no sanctions have been lifted.
Taliban: US Is Violating Doha Deal By Not Lifting Sanctions – Including Against Wanted Terrorist Haqqani | CNSNews (https://cnsnews.com/article/international/patrick-goodenough/taliban-us-violating-doha-deal-not-lifting-sanctions)
To imply that Biden's hands were tied by this agreement is disingenuous to say the least. This withdrawal however good or bad was planned and executed by the current administration.
p.s The Doha Accord was signed Feb 29th, 2019 so for the calendared challenged 14 months would actually be May 1st not April 2020.

[FUSSY LADY]

Trump was there, he visited the police and fire department and spoke to all of them!

[nick demis]

Like Covid, this memorial could have been another opportunity to unite this country. To bad 1/2 the country is so set to prevent it.

[PurePeach]

Bogie, I sure wish I had your patience with folks. All appear to be members of the anti United States Government group

Former President Trump — absent from the 20th anniversary 9/11 ceremony in his own city.

Trump was in NY with the first responders.

[nick demis]

Trump was in NY with the first responders.

Don't waste your time. Trump haters will never admit the facts, only their narrative.

[Jokomo]

Our so called modern intel surely didn't save those 13 servicemen in Afgan.

It appears some people can’t tell an apple from an orange

[EdFNJ]

LOL, evidently the mods are on vacation this weekend although I do see one mod posting (or "liking") in this thread and am surprised it and a couple others are still going.

[Bucco]

Trump was there, he visited the police and fire department and spoke to all of them!

You are correct. Missed all the ceremonies, prayers etc and visited a station on his way to the boxing match.

I posted before he visited.

[Bucco]

Bush also wasn't there. Who would want to be on stage with 2 traitorous presidents, Biden and Obama, and 2 suffering from dementia, Clinton and Biden?

President Bush gave a stirring speech in Shanksville as part of the ceremonies there.

[NoMoSno]

President Bush gave a stirring speech in Shanksville as part of the ceremonies there.
Surprised the current president didn't give any speech at any ceremonies.

[Bucco]

2 months ago this post would have resulted in two week posting ban.
What has changed??
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My observation is that the admin or mods are trying a new approach in allowing discussion (I know, a stretch) until it reaches an obvious end. This allows frustration to be let out, and I am betting fewer and fewer reported posts to “Handle”. It just appears that way to me. That also allows the result to have an ending if you will .

Just a thought. While I certainly have felt the barbs of mods, and been upset at some of my “punishment” it it may be easier for them than walking a tight rope.

Works for me because I want honesty and truth and am very frustrated when punished or deleted and things that are not correct left.

[Bucco]

Surprised the current president didn't give any speech at any ceremonies.

Current President was in New York at the site.

[NoMoSno]

Current President was in New York at the site.
It would be fitting for the current president to give a stirring live speech as well as attendance.

[EdFNJ]

Current President was in New York at the site. As well as at the Pentagon and in Shanksville PA.

[EdFNJ]

It would be fitting for the current president to give a stirring live speech as well as attendance. He let those who were there do that while he ran all over the east coast showing empathy. Then when done maybe he went home to watch a boxing match. The former guy went to one fire station and one police station and just talked about himself then flew off to get paid millions (allegedly) to call a fight where he continued to whine..

[Bucco]

Trump skipped joining President Joe Biden and other past presidents at official 9/11 memorial ceremonies Saturday at the World Trade Center and in Shanksville, Pennsylvania.

Instead, he traveled several blocks from his Trump Tower building in Manhattan to the 17th police precinct and the neighboring fire station. Speaking to officers, Trump criticized the withdrawal from Afghanistan and expressed surprise about why it hadn’t come up in other 9/11 memorial speeches. “It was gross incompetence,” he said of the exit.

Trump Skips Ground Zero, Criticizes Afghanistan Withdrawal at NYC Precinct Visit – NBC New York (https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/trump-skips-ground-zero-criticizes-afghanistan-withdrawal-at-nyc-precinct-visit/3267136/)

[NoMoSno]

He let those who were there do that while he ran all over the east coast showing empathy. Then when done maybe he went home to watch a boxing match. The former guy went to one fire station and one police station and just talked about himself then flew off to get paid millions (allegedly) to call a fight where he continued to whine..
Who cares what the "former" guy did.
The current president should have given a live speech.

[Bucco]

[QUOTE=NoMoSno;2003036]Who cares what the "former" guy did.
The current president should have given a live speech.[/QUOTE

Biden left the speech-making to others, paying his respects at the trio of sites in New York, Pennsylvania and outside Washington where four hijacked planes crashed on Sept. 11, 2001, killing nearly 3,000 people, shattering the nation’s sense of security and launching the country into two decades of warfare.

In a grassy field in Pennsylvania, Biden comforted family members gathered at a stone boulder near Shanksville that marked where passengers brought down a hijacked plane that had been headed for the nation’s capital. At the Pentagon, Biden and his wife, Jill, took a moment of silence before a wreath studded with white, purple and red flowers on display in front of the memorial benches that mark the victims of the attack at the military headquarters.

Delivering Bud Light and appreciation to the Shanksville Volunteer Fire Department, which responded to the crash of United Flight 93, Biden praised Bush’s comments in his only public remarks of the day, saying the Republican “made a really good speech today – genuinely,” and wondered aloud what those who died that day would think of today’s rancor.

Biden embraces message of unity on 9/11 anniversary (https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-new-york-d6904990d776af784dd9f8c727ef19ff)

[NoMoSno]

[QUOTE=NoMoSno;2003036]Who cares what the "former" guy did.
The current president should have given a live speech.[/QUOTE

Biden left the speech-making to others, paying his respects at the trio of sites in New York, Pennsylvania and outside Washington where four hijacked planes crashed on Sept. 11, 2001, killing nearly 3,000 people, shattering the nation’s sense of security and launching the country into two decades of warfare.

In a grassy field in Pennsylvania, Biden comforted family members gathered at a stone boulder near Shanksville that marked where passengers brought down a hijacked plane that had been headed for the nation’s capital. At the Pentagon, Biden and his wife, Jill, took a moment of silence before a wreath studded with white, purple and red flowers on display in front of the memorial benches that mark the victims of the attack at the military headquarters.

Delivering Bud Light and appreciation to the Shanksville Volunteer Fire Department, which responded to the crash of United Flight 93, Biden praised Bush’s comments in his only public remarks of the day, saying the Republican “made a really good speech today – genuinely,” and wondered aloud what those who died that day would think of today’s rancor.

Biden embraces message of unity on 9/11 anniversary (https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-new-york-d6904990d776af784dd9f8c727ef19ff)
Odd that POTUS has to leave speech-making to others on such a significant day in history.

[Bogie Shooter]

It would be fitting for the current president to give a stirring live speech as well as attendance.

The previous didn’t…

[Bogie Shooter]

It would be fitting for the current president to give a stirring live speech as well as attendance.

Who cares what the "former" guy did.
The current president should have given a live speech.
Your criticism rings hollow when you add…..who cares.

[Bucco]

Your criticism rings hollow when you add…..who cares.

Seems that maybe our lost guy....Stanley...found his alternate username and returns.

Trolls are trolls

[Bogie Shooter]

Seems that maybe our lost guy....Stanley...found his alternate username and returns.

Trolls are trolls

His bye bye thread was finally closed.

[NoMoSno]

seems that maybe our lost guy....stanley...found his alternate username and returns.

Trolls are trolls
tds

[NoMoSno]

Your criticism rings hollow when you add…..who cares.
tds

[NoMoSno]

The previous didn’t…
Who cares.

[EdFNJ]

Who cares what the "former" guy did.
The current president should have given a live speech.:blahblahblah: LOL, Yea, then you would have come up with some nasty remark about what he said and b1thched about why he shouldn't have.

[NoMoSno]

:blahblahblah: LOL, Yea, then you would have come up with some nasty remark about what he said and b1thched about why he shouldn't have.
:blahblahblah: LOL, I don't b1thch, but you seem to do a lot of it.

[holger danske]

[QUOTE=NoMoSno;2003036]Who cares what the "former" guy did.
The current president should have given a live speech.[/QUOTE

Biden left the speech-making to others, paying his respects at the trio of sites in New York, Pennsylvania and outside Washington where four hijacked planes crashed on Sept. 11, 2001, killing nearly 3,000 people, shattering the nation’s sense of security and launching the country into two decades of warfare.

In a grassy field in Pennsylvania, Biden comforted family members gathered at a stone boulder near Shanksville that marked where passengers brought down a hijacked plane that had been headed for the nation’s capital. At the Pentagon, Biden and his wife, Jill, took a moment of silence before a wreath studded with white, purple and red flowers on display in front of the memorial benches that mark the victims of the attack at the military headquarters.

Delivering Bud Light and appreciation to the Shanksville Volunteer Fire Department, which responded to the crash of United Flight 93, Biden praised Bush’s comments in his only public remarks of the day, saying the Republican “made a really good speech today – genuinely,” and wondered aloud what those who died that day would think of today’s rancor.

Biden embraces message of unity on 9/11 anniversary (https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-new-york-d6904990d776af784dd9f8c727ef19ff)

What he actually said “What would the people who died be thinking? They think it makes sense to be doing this kinda thing where you ride down the street and see a sign that says ‘F so-and-so’?”

[holger danske]

Are there not United States copyright laws that protect photographers from this type of juvenile behavior ?

Hopefully with strict penalties.

Your hopes are dashed. Brush up on the "fair use doctrine" before you try to intimidate counselor.