Court Upholds Parents Choice Not To Have Children Masked

[Wyseguy]

DeSantis Scores Major Court Win in Mask Mandate Battle (https://www.westernjournal.com/desantis-scores-major-court-win-mask-mandate-battle/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=CTBreaking&utm_campaign=wj-breaking&utm_content=conservative-tribune&ats_es=9b3b3e37ce81bec7bde0fe8b1931e674)

[Byte1]

Good for the courts!

[Bill14564]

DeSantis Scores Major Court Win in Mask Mandate Battle (https://www.westernjournal.com/desantis-scores-major-court-win-mask-mandate-battle/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=CTBreaking&utm_campaign=wj-breaking&utm_content=conservative-tribune&ats_es=9b3b3e37ce81bec7bde0fe8b1931e674)

It is unfortunate that the state is choosing to pursue this. They should let it go (allow the mask mandates) until the surge in cases and hospitalizations is over. Sure, it's not what the governor wants, but he's likely to be worse off in the end.

The farther this is pursued, the harder the federal government is going to push. This is now likely to go to the US Supreme court to decide something that should have been obvious in the first place. Not only that, but the fed govt is now looking for other ways to override the governor including a lawsuit based on discrimination against disabled students. It is a foolish lawsuit that will likely set a precedent for the future and it could have been avoided.

The anti-mask-mandate side has won the latest point but the match is not over yet. When it is, the anti-mask-mandate side may find it has lost more than just mask mandate.

But of course, it may go the other way too. We'll see.

[Byte1]

They are NOT banning masks, just the mandate to wear one. Leave it up to the parents and teachers, but NOT the federal government. They hose up everything they get involved in.

[Road-Runner]

Mask mandates TOTALLY ignore the science, but no ones really that into science now that the boogie man is gone...

[Dana1963]

Mask mandates TOTALLY ignore the science, but no ones really that into science now that the boogie man is gone...
And some believe 5G technology is causing Covid infections, Covid 19 vaccine magnetizes your body and the Government injects a tracking mechanism into the human body.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

And some believe 5G technology is causing Covid infections, Covid 19 vaccine magnetizes your body and the Government injects a tracking mechanism into the human body.

Yup this is all true, and it happens because everyone keeps buying microwave ovens that have cameras in them to spy on you for China.

[Moderator]

One more political statement and this thread too will be closed.

[JMintzer]

And some believe 5G technology is causing Covid infections, Covid 19 vaccine magnetizes your body and the Government injects a tracking mechanism into the human body.

No, No, No! It's that the Vaccine improves your 5G reception!

And I've personally seen people stuck to their refrigerators!

SCIENCE!

[JMintzer]

Yup this is all true, and it happens because everyone keeps buying microwave ovens that have cameras in them to spy on you for China.

I don't know about microwave ovens, but I certainly don't trust that Alexa b@tch!

[Bogie Shooter]

:BigApplause:One more political statement and this thread too will be closed.

[Altavia]

Sadly, children are now being infected at higher rates and dieing unnecessary.

There is no perfect solution but the data is quite clear masks reduce the risk of an infected person transmitting the disease.

Especially important for Delta.

[SkBlogW]

Sadly, children are now being infected at higher rates and dieing unnecessary.

There is no perfect solution but the data is quite clear masks reduce the risk of an infected person transmitting the disease.

Especially important for Delta.

Show us the data on masks, I'd prefer RCT studies (Randomized Control Trial)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Show us the data on masks, I'd prefer RCT studies (Randomized Control Trial)

I'd prefer a nice fat peanutbutter and strawberry preserves sandwich on wheat bread. But, because I am sensitive to the fact that peanut allergies are apparently a "thing" these days, I, a human being who actually cares about humanity, will make sure that if I consume this thing in public, no one within spitting distance of me is allergic. And if they are, *I* will move a few feet away so as to not cause them undue stress.

Because if a minor inconvenience to me might prevent harm to someone else, I'll comply.

[Bill14564]

Show us the data on masks, I'd prefer RCT studies (Randomized Control Trial)

Google is your friend and will return many entries including these three:
Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers (https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/m20-6817)

An evidence review of face masks against COVID-19 (https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118)

Effectiveness of Mask Wearing to Control Community Spread of SARS-CoV-2 (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536)

Though I have no doubt they will not be sufficient to change your opinion.

I was surprised to find no articles reporting that masks do not help. None said masks were 100% effective but I did not notice any that said masks were 10)% ineffective.

[Clarinet]

I hope that those who are so vocal about this don't have to suffer the loss of a child to covid to make them believe this pandemic needs to be dealt with as strongly as possible.

[SkBlogW]

Google is your friend and will return many entries including these three:
Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers (https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/m20-6817)

An evidence review of face masks against COVID-19 (https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118)

Effectiveness of Mask Wearing to Control Community Spread of SARS-CoV-2 (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536)

Though I have no doubt they will not be sufficient to change your opinion.

I was surprised to find no articles reporting that masks do not help. None said masks were 100% effective but I did not notice any that said masks were 10)% ineffective.

Apparently Google is NOT your friend.

Link 1: A poorly designed study with too many unknown behavior variables: They found a diference of a whopping 0.3% between mask and no mask. :a040:

Link 2: Quote: Overall, evidence from RCTs and observational studies is informative, but not compelling on its own. None of the studies looked specifically at cloth masks.

Therefore, we should not be surprised to find that there is no RCT for the impact of masks on community transmission of any respiratory infection in a pandemic.

Link 3: Yikes! The eleven sources listed in in the left-most column in the table, four list outcomes beginning with the word, “Estimated….” Another three sources, different from the four I just mentioned, describe interventions as, “Self-reporting….” “Self-reporting” and “Estimated” are not terms I associate with objective, replicable data.

Google tip: If you search for "studies that show masks work" you won't see something like this:

Masks-for-all for COVID-19 not based on sound data

Dr. Brosseau is a national expert on respiratory protection and infectious diseases and professor (retired), University of Illinois at Chicago.
Dr. Sietsema is also an expert on respiratory protection and an assistant professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

COMMENTARY: Masks-for-all for COVID-19 not based on sound data | CIDRAP (https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data)

If the science is over your head. just look at some graphs that show real world results

90787

Hawaii is an island, can control incoming travel, has had the longest lockdown of any state, and has over 80% mask compliance.

More graphs showing covid vs masks. Covid keeps winning

https://www.legis.nd.gov/assembly/67-2021/testimony/HPOLSUB-1323-20210204-5275-F-SEELY_BRADLEY.pdf

[TSO/ISPF]

I hope that those who are so vocal about this don't have to suffer the loss of a child to covid to make them believe this pandemic needs to be dealt with as strongly as possible.

Whatever the imposition or infringement on their freedoms, it seems to me to leave the decision on wearing a mask to school for kids and their parents invites trouble. Let's just error on the side of safety until this virus is gone. Freedom requires sacrifice some times. Let's just get rid of this virus.

[golfing eagles]

It is unfortunate that the state is choosing to pursue this. They should let it go (allow the mask mandates) until the surge in cases and hospitalizations is over. Sure, it's not what the governor wants, but he's likely to be worse off in the end.

The farther this is pursued, the harder the federal government is going to push. This is now likely to go to the US Supreme court to decide something that should have been obvious in the first place. Not only that, but the fed govt is now looking for other ways to override the governor including a lawsuit based on discrimination against disabled students. It is a foolish lawsuit that will likely set a precedent for the future and it could have been avoided.

The anti-mask-mandate side has won the latest point but the match is not over yet. When it is, the anti-mask-mandate side may find it has lost more than just mask mandate.

But of course, it may go the other way too. We'll see.

While I agree with you, I must point out if it were "obvious in the first place", it wouldn't be going through the court battles. Obvious to whom is the obvious question??? (no pun intended)

[golfing eagles]

No, No, No! It's that the Vaccine improves your 5G reception!

And I've personally seen people stuck to their refrigerators!

SCIENCE!

No, no. How many times do I have to tell you it is the tin foil hats?

[SkBlogW]

Predictable

Why yes, the outcome of an scientific evidence based discussion on the ability of cloth masks to deter aerosol virus is very predictable.

[jbartle1]

Would not want to be the parent that lost child after child went to school without mask and died from covid.,,, keep in mind folks, kids have no problem with mask, only parents.

[Bill14564]

While I agree with you, I must point out if it were "obvious in the first place", it wouldn't be going through the court battles. Obvious to whom is the obvious question??? (no pun intended)

Fair enough - I should have worded that differently.

[MrFlorida]

That's what I like about Florida, it's your choice. You can ride a motorcycle without a helmet if you choose not to, it's your head right ?So it's also your choice to wear a mask.... it's all about freedom.

[PNaughton]

:bigbow:One more political statement and this thread too will be closed.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

That's what I like about Florida, it's your choice. You can ride a motorcycle without a helmet if you choose not to, it's your head right ?So it's also your choice to wear a mask.... it's all about freedom.

Riding a motorcycle without a helmet doesn't spread a contagious and deadly disease. The only person it CAN hurt is the driver of the motorcycle.

[Bogie Shooter]

Riding a motorcycle without a helmet doesn't spread a contagious and deadly disease. The only person it CAN hurt is the driver of the motorcycle.

And freedom doesn’t help much when your head hits the pavement.

[Bill14564]

Why yes, the outcome of an scientific evidence based discussion on the ability of cloth masks to deter aerosol virus is very predictable.

Looking at the effects on entire populations with no idea how masks were or were not used is scientific and evidence based?? For someone who demands unambiguous RCT trials to move him away from his desired opinion you certainly have a different standard for "evidence" in support of your opinion.

I'm still looking over the papers referenced in the report. Oddly, the one at the bottom, "the world's only randomized trial," presents data that seems to show masks work for coronavirus.
Our results indicate that surgical face masks could prevent transmission of human coronaviruses and influenza viruses from symptomatic individuals.
Now this study was looking at surgical masks and not cloth masks and the sample size was small. I can't figure out why the author of the larger paper included it as if it supported his position.

Thanks for forwarding this, it is interesting reading.

[SkBlogW]

Looking at the effects on entire populations with no idea how masks were or were not used is scientific and evidence based?? For someone who demands unambiguous RCT trials to move him away from his desired opinion you certainly have a different standard for "evidence" in support of your opinion.

I'm still looking over the papers referenced in the report. Oddly, the one at the bottom, "the world's only randomized trial," presents data that seems to show masks work for coronavirus.
Our results indicate that surgical face masks could prevent transmission of human coronaviruses and influenza viruses from symptomatic individuals.
Now this study was looking at surgical masks and not cloth masks and the sample size was small. I can't figure out why the author of the larger paper included it as if it supported his position.

Thanks for forwarding this, it is interesting reading.

If you are talking about my link to the CIDRAP article, feel free to read all the papers referenced. However, the two Doctors who wrote the article are very experienced in infectious respiratory diseases and here's what they say after looking at all the referenced studies.

A recent pooled analysis of two earlier trials comparing medical masks ( surgical) and N95 filtering facepiece respirators with controls (no protection) found that healthcare workers continuously wearing N95 FFRs were 54% less likely to experience respiratory viral infections than controls (P = 0.03), while those wearing medical masks were only 12% less likely than controls (P = 0.48; result is not significantly different from zero)


A randomized trial comparing the effect of medical (surgical) and cloth masks on healthcare worker illness found that those wearing cloth masks were 13 times more likely to experience influenza-like illness than those wearing medical masks.38

So cloth masks are completely worthless, and surgical masks statistically no different than zero compared to N95.

These data suggest that surgical masks worn by the public will have no or very low impact on disease transmission during a pandemic.

All of the cloth masks and materials had near zero efficiency at 0.3 µm, a particle size that easily penetrates into the lungs

A cloth mask or face covering does very little to prevent the emission or inhalation of small particles. As discussed in an earlier CIDRAP commentary and more recently by Morawska and Milton (2020) in an open letter to WHO signed by 239 scientists, inhalation of small infectious particles is not only biologically plausible, but the epidemiology supports it as an important mode of transmission for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19.

PS As far as the graphs showing cases versus when mask mandates were issued is not an RCT study. But it is real world data. I doubt you can find a country or state anywhere where surges in cases were stopped by masks mandates. All you need to do is look up a case graph for any location, and then google when they mandated masks and look what happened after.

Except for N95, they just don't work. N95 masks are cheap now, advise you use one when you are indoors with other people. And they are not bulletproof.

[JSR22]

Put all the maskless children in their own classrooms and let them infect each other. Keep them away from the children wearing masks.

[Altavia]

Show us the data on masks, I'd prefer RCT studies (Randomized Control Trial)

The entire planet is a randomized trial at this point.

Something caused upper respiratory/flu illness to drop to nill worldwide until the precautions were relaxed.

[JMintzer]

No, no. How many times do I have to tell you it is the tin foil hats?

You can't fool me... Tin foil isn't magnetic...

Although it did help getting VHF/UHF reception on the rabbit ears antenna when I was a kid...

[JMintzer]

Would not want to be the parent that lost child after child went to school without mask and died from covid.,,, keep in mind folks, kids have no problem with mask, only parents.

Ahh... The emotional argument... Unfortunately, emotions make horrible medical decisions...

[JMintzer]

Riding a motorcycle without a helmet doesn't spread a contagious and deadly disease. The only person it CAN hurt is the driver of the motorcycle.

Ever been hit by a flying brain? That can really leave a nasty welt!

(Yes, I know... Gallows humor...)

[Singerlady]

That's what I like about Florida, it's your choice. You can ride a motorcycle without a helmet if you choose not to, it's your head right ?So it's also your choice to wear a mask.... it's all about freedom.
Whether you wear a motorcycle helmet or not, it only affects you. Whether you wear a mask or not, it not only affects you but others. Not exactly the same thing!

[Nick B]

What a great Gov. He really cares about half of us.

[crash]

Good for the courts!

Just reinstates the stay it is not over until the last appeal. How many children will die because of this one is too many.

The only way for masks to work is for all the kids be masked. If the parents don’t want to mask their kid they should put them in a class room with unmasked kids and keep them there. The parents that want their kids to be masked should have the right to have their kid in a masked class. Kids die everyone will be doing home school.

[donfey]

Google is your friend and will return many entries including these three:
Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers (https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/m20-6817)

An evidence review of face masks against COVID-19 (https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118)

Effectiveness of Mask Wearing to Control Community Spread of SARS-CoV-2 (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536)

Though I have no doubt they will not be sufficient to change your opinion.

I was surprised to find no articles reporting that masks do not help. None said masks were 100% effective but I did not notice any that said masks were 10)% ineffective.


Masks are NOT PROHIBITED in Florida - just not MANDATED by the Gubment!

[Eg_cruz]

DeSantis Scores Major Court Win in Mask Mandate Battle (https://www.westernjournal.com/desantis-scores-major-court-win-mask-mandate-battle/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=CTBreaking&utm_campaign=wj-breaking&utm_content=conservative-tribune&ats_es=9b3b3e37ce81bec7bde0fe8b1931e674)
Well that’s really to bad
Marion county school in one month loss 2 teachers, 1 bus driver, 2 cafeteria ladies, and 1 maintenance worker ALL to Covid. 1300 kids tested positive for Covid first month this school yr. Last year the schools had mask mandates and it worked out fine, in fact attendance was up last year.
Very sad indeed

[Kelevision]

They are NOT banning masks, just the mandate to wear one. Leave it up to the parents and teachers, but NOT the federal government. They hose up everything they get involved in.

It’s not up to the teachers. They want mask mandates. My very republican mom/principle in Sumter county is one of them. My, not so very smart, ( and I mean that in the kindest way, but it’s true) brother opted out of wearing a mask for my 11 year old niece but thankfully she’s smart enough to wear one anyway. Poor kids don’t get a say. They’re strictly relying on whatever the adult believes.

[Jean G]

January 26, 2021 the WHO stated masks are ineffective against Covid 19
Look it up. It’s good practice for getting at truth.

[Kelevision]

Would not want to be the parent that lost child after child went to school without mask and died from covid.,,, keep in mind folks, kids have no problem with mask, only parents.

EXACTLY! Kids don’t care at all about wearing a mask!! One of the easiest things to do is make a kid. One of the most difficult is being a good parent.

[Eg_cruz]

Show us the data on masks, I'd prefer RCT studies (Randomized Control Trial)
I don’t need to show you the facts I will show you the numbers
In Marion county 13 school employees have died from Covid in 1 month. Over 1300 kids have tested positive the first month of school. Orange County had 2300 kids test positive the first month.
The teacher and school want to go back to WHAT WORKED last school year.
This is about what is right and taking it of the school and teachers hands is not what’s right…..period

[tvbound]

Would not want to be the parent that lost child after child went to school without mask and died from covid.,,, keep in mind folks, kids have no problem with mask, only parents.

"kids have no problem with mask, only parents."

Very true and conveniently overlooked, from those who think they are losing some kind of 'freedom.'

[Hiltongrizz11]

It's too bad that you are not pro freedom and instead are pro-government.

It shouldn't even have to happen that a governor should mandate freedom. Anyone can wear a mask no one should be forced to.

[Jeff Coats]

Sadly, children are now being infected at higher rates and dieing unnecessary.

There is no perfect solution but the data is quite clear masks reduce the risk of an infected person transmitting the disease.

Especially important for Delta.

You will have to show me that data. All of the studies that I have seen show that unless you are wearing a N95 mask, masks do nothing to stop COVID. In fact from the studies I have seen through private concerns as well as the US military, one could make, and stand behind the argument that masks do more harm than good when it comes to spreading disease.

Let's read "the science" for ourselves and stop sharing hearsay information as fact.

[Girlcopper]

Show us the data on masks, I'd prefer RCT studies (Randomized Control Trial)
Then google them. Theres plenty of data showing masks curb the virus. Dont want to mask your kid? Fine. Home school them or just have illiterate morons. Thats everyones choice!

[merrymini]

It is unfortunate that the state is choosing to pursue this. They should let it go (allow the mask mandates) until the surge in cases and hospitalizations is over. Sure, it's not what the governor wants, but he's likely to be worse off in the end.

The farther this is pursued, the harder the federal government is going to push. This is now likely to go to the US Supreme court to decide something that should have been obvious in the first place. Not only that, but the fed govt is now looking for other ways to override the governor including a lawsuit based on discrimination against disabled students. It is a foolish lawsuit that will likely set a precedent for the future and it could have been avoided.

The anti-mask-mandate side has won the latest point but the match is not over yet. When it is, the anti-mask-mandate side may find it has lost more than just mask mandate.

But of course, it may go the other way too. We'll see.

The gov is allowing people to make their own choices, a mandate does not allow anything. I am certain the kids keep their masks on outside of school too, really?

[rsmurano]

I have real verifiable data the other way too. Way to go DeSantis

[lkagele]

Would not want to be the parent that lost child after child went to school without mask and died from covid.,,, keep in mind folks, kids have no problem with mask, only parents.

Fear monger. I haven't looked at the statistics recently but as a couple of weeks ago, less than 400 children had died. Vastly more die in auto accidents. We'd be better off banning children from riding in cars.

This is all about power, control and taking away our freedoms. Parents choose, not schools. PERIOD.

[merrymini]

Just reinstates the stay it is not over until the last appeal. How many children will die because of this one is too many.

The only way for masks to work is for all the kids be masked. If the parents don’t want to mask their kid they should put them in a class room with unmasked kids and keep them there. The parents that want their kids to be masked should have the right to have their kid in a masked class. Kids die everyone will be doing home school.

Your system sounds great. How exactly would that work? Numbers show that hospitalizations and death from covid for children is RARE and UNCOMMON. Among states reporting 0.00% to 0.03% of all covid deaths are children and several states report 0 deaths. Facts are important, if you choose to read them.

[lkagele]

Fair enough - I should have worded that differently.

Don't think so. What's obvious are the acts of those trying to take away our freedoms.

It is ABSOLUTELY obvious that parents have the right to manage their children's health and not some bureaucrat.

[lkagele]

Just reinstates the stay it is not over until the last appeal. How many children will die because of this one is too many.

The only way for masks to work is for all the kids be masked. If the parents don’t want to mask their kid they should put them in a class room with unmasked kids and keep them there. The parents that want their kids to be masked should have the right to have their kid in a masked class. Kids die everyone will be doing home school.

I think the real question is, how many idiots will continue to post advocating taking away the right of parents to control their own children.

8 things that are more apt to kill children ages 1 - 14 than COVID

- Drowning - yes, lets ban children from swimming
-Vehicle Accidents - again, ban children from riding in cars
- Cancer
- Suicide - the rate of which has dramatically increased since COVID restrictions.
- Homicide
- Cardiovascular disease
- Flu/pneumonia
- Suffocation - mandate needed to watch children 24/7 so this can be prevented

Data obtained from CDC statistics

[Haallred02@aol.com]

If masks are so effective than why so many cases?

[lkagele]

This is not good. This is picking a political side not doing what’s best for your kids.
I don’t get this whole thing with our governor, last year the school did great why make this stand……I am very disappointed in him. FYI in Weirsdale Elementary the school right off of 42 had 2 cafeteria ladies catch Covid and both died within four days of each other. Maybe all you pro No Mask Mandates would like to go deal with the grieving kids.

Well obviously they weren't wearing masks because masks work....

Get back to me when you can prove where they contracted COVID.

[thelegges]

Everyday more children are testing positive, in schools with mask mandate. Two masked children in Michigan tested positive, then week later their fully vaccinated parents, tested positive.

Many have forgotten the healthcare workers wearing masks, still became infected. Then some who had to wear the non 95s, worked this entire time, never became infected. Many Healthcare workers are still refusing vaccine, some are resigning if a mandate is put is place.

The hundreds that I worked with in previous life, stand on “I worked the first 8 months, most of the time without proper PPE, or the same PPE for days at at time. Exposed 60 plus hours a week, and survived.

Many are appalled, at healthcare workers right to choose. But without them, the world would be a very different place.

[heenables]

When your fear tramples other's freedoms you have become what our founding fathers fought so hard against and you don't even realize it.

:boom:

[Bonnevie]

I find it amusing that in a country where every plastic bag has a warning that it's not to be used as a toy that people think all parents are capable of making an informed decision on children's health.

[Ptmckiou]

Show us the data on masks, I'd prefer RCT studies (Randomized Control Trial)

Look at the CDC videos put out on the studies. The virus rides on spittle droplets, not air. The mask knocks down the speed at which the spittle is projected from 6’+ without mask, to about 15” with a mask. That’s why the 6’ social distancing because of those studies. The video showed the actual experiments in spittle speed.

[Ptmckiou]

That's what I like about Florida, it's your choice. You can ride a motorcycle without a helmet if you choose not to, it's your head right ?So it's also your choice to wear a mask.... it's all about freedom.

No not exactly. It’s not your freedom to spread the disease to me, by not wearing a mask. That is stepping on MY freedoms.

[golfing eagles]

Don't think so. What's obvious are the acts of those trying to take away our freedoms.

It is ABSOLUTELY obvious that parents have the right to manage their children's health and not some bureaucrat.

But have you considered that 90+% of parents are too stupid to "manage their children's health"?????

[lkagele]

I don’t need to show you the facts I will show you the numbers
In Marion county 13 school employees have died from Covid in 1 month. Over 1300 kids have tested positive the first month of school. Orange County had 2300 kids test positive the first month.
The teacher and school want to go back to WHAT WORKED last school year.
This is about what is right and taking it of the school and teachers hands is not what’s right…..period

From ABC news, known to be a bastion for hard right news......

Most children who become infected with COVID-19 have mild or no symptoms and caught the virus from their parents rather than at school, a new report has found.....It found children rarely spread COVID-19 to other children, teachers or staff.

Don't you even ask yourself why these people got infected if they were wearing a mask? Get back to us when you can prove where they got infected.

[lkagele]

But have you considered that 90+% of parents are too stupid to "manage their children's health"?????

Really? You're going to insult 90% of all parents? Statements such as this are just plain idiotic.

"My child has a fever of 103. Hello, congressman. What should I do?"

[Petersweeney]

Put all the maskless children in their own classrooms and let them infect each other. Keep them away from the children wearing masks.

What a terrible thing to say :(

[Ptmckiou]

It's too bad that you are not pro freedom and instead are pro-government.

It shouldn't even have to happen that a governor should mandate freedom. Anyone can wear a mask no one should be forced to.

Mandates happen all the time. You must wear shirt and shoes in most restaurants. Most mandates are for health concerns. This is no different.

[tvbound]

But have you considered that 90+% of parents are too stupid to "manage their children's health"?????

I'm not sure the overall % is that high, but I will say that I believe the majority of parents who are putting their children at risk (and may have to live with the consequences) and using them as pawns, just to make some kind of political point - ARE incompetent.

[Petersweeney]

The horror

[lkagele]

Then google them. Theres plenty of data showing masks curb the virus. Dont want to mask your kid? Fine. Home school them or just have illiterate morons. Thats everyones choice!

Just the opposite. If you really think your children are in danger and want to protect them; then keep them home.

[ThirdOfFive]

They are NOT banning masks, just the mandate to wear one. Leave it up to the parents and teachers, but NOT the federal government. They hose up everything they get involved in.
Precisely.

This is a ruling that affirms the right of the parents to decide on the health issues of their children rather than arbitrarily let schools overrule parents, and as such should be welcome by all of us.

[ThirdOfFive]

Everyday more children are testing positive, in schools with mask mandate. Two masked children in Michigan tested positive, then week later their fully vaccinated parents, tested positive.

Many have forgotten the healthcare workers wearing masks, still became infected. Then some who had to wear the non 95s, worked this entire time, never became infected. Many Healthcare workers are still refusing vaccine, some are resigning if a mandate is put is place.

The hundreds that I worked with in previous life, stand on “I worked the first 8 months, most of the time without proper PPE, or the same PPE for days at at time. Exposed 60 plus hours a week, and survived.

Many are appalled, at healthcare workers right to choose. But without them, the world would be a very different place.
Excellent points, all.

One of the problems with this whole mess is that things just aren't adding up. For instance, my stepdaughter and my step-granddaughter both came down with COVID last week in Minnesota. Family of six--and all fully vaccinated. It has pretty much run it's course though there are still several quarantine days left for them. School masks are mandated too, and my stepdaughter works from home. No other family member came down with it. Where it came from is anyone's guess, but they all did the mask-and-shot thing and this still happened.

Another interesting happening up there: the Minnesota Nurse's Association (largest such in the state, and it represents nurses in a couple of adjacent states as well) officially has adopted a position of neutrality on the COVID vaccinations for its members: in other words, it has decided that their members are a bit more qualified than the bureaucrats to make their own health-care decisions.

[Velvet]

Question, if you saw a parent beating their child black and blue, would you step in? Should the teacher? Or just watch and advocate for the rights of parents to do so. What about Covid which can do worse?

[justjim]

“People will generally accept facts as truth only if the facts agree with what they already believe”. That great philosopher Andy Rooney

[lkagele]

Question, if you saw a parent beating their child black and blue, would you step in? Should the teacher? Or just watch and advocate for the rights of parents to do so. What about Covid which can do worse?

Equating not making your child wear a mask to child abuse? Come on.

By your logic, letting your children ride in a car is child abuse. Letting them go swimming is child abuse. Your children are much more likely to die from those events than from COVID.

[Velvet]

Equating not making your child wear a mask to child abuse? Come on.

By your logic, letting your children ride in a car is child abuse. Letting them go swimming is child abuse. Your children are much more likely to die from those events than from COVID.

Nope. Most people do not intentionally drive so they can have an accident because they get their license taken away. You teach a child to swim, I started my daughter at 6 months and also each of my small kittens too. After I saw someone throw cats into a lake. There are schools which also teach swimming. You are reaching, sir or madam, to justify endangering the innocent.

[brick010207]

This is not good. This is picking a political side not doing what’s best for your kids.
I don’t get this whole thing with our governor, last year the school did great why make this stand……I am very disappointed in him. FYI in Weirsdale Elementary the school right off of 42 had 2 cafeteria ladies catch Covid and both died within four days of each other. Maybe all you pro No Mask Mandates would like to go deal with the grieving kids.
He's running for President!

[virtualcynthia]

Schools are required to provide a safe environment for children. So, if my child only goes to school and comes home to a safe environment and gets infected because he is with a group of unmasked students, I sue the school, the state and the parents for not providing a safe environment for my child.

[Velvet]

So, parents should not have the freedom of controlling their children? The gov. should be the authority? So, if the gov deems that there are too many females in this country, they should mandate abortions? The court says a woman has the right of choice for her body, so is the gov going to take that right away? After all, the baby/child is part of the woman's body, right? Children will NOT keep their masks on in school, and that is fact. Teachers cannot be understood and children's replies cannot be understood when wearing masks. Sure, that is a small imposition IF/IF masks save lives. But, so far the CDC does not prove that masks (paper or cloth that folks are wearing) does much good. The gov. is well known for making mistakes in their judgement. I would rather make life choices for myself and my family, rather than depending on their often biased thinking demands.

Parents or anyone else do not have the right to hurt their children or should we act like the Taliban, why stop at Covid, why not cut the girls as well? There is no reason why children can’t wear n95 masks (child size). I absolutely support the right of parents but it stops when they hurt and not protect their children, and possibly endangering other children.

[brick010207]

Then google them. Theres plenty of data showing masks curb the virus. Dont want to mask your kid? Fine. Home school them or just have illiterate morons. Thats everyones choice!
Please NO!!! We have plenty of those.

[golfing eagles]

Really? You're going to insult 90% of all parents? Statements such as this are just plain idiotic.

"My child has a fever of 103. Hello, congressman. What should I do?"

Yes, when the topic is the understanding of the virology and epidemiology of a COVID pandemic and the value of masks for both the vaccinated and unvaccinated, adults and children, I AM going to insult 90+% of not only parents, but all adults as well. It is simply NOT a decision that should be left to either amateurs or politicians.

BTW, It's hardly an "insult". If you tell me I don't have the expertise to land an F-16 on the deck of an aircraft carrier, are you insulting me?

and as a to: "My child has a fever of 103. Hello, congressman. What should I do?"---How about "Hello, pediatrician, what should I do"?

[njbchbum]

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I was surprised to find no articles reporting that masks do not help. None said masks were 100% effective but I did not notice any that said masks were 10)% ineffective.

You apparently did not search the internet with an appropriate phrase for that...try using face masks are useless and you will find what you missed!

[njbchbum]

He's running for President!

But no one on the Court issuing this determination is running for President - right?