Universal Masking for Source Control

[coffeebean]

A mask mandate for children in school is necessary to slow the spread of this Covid virus. Parents should not have the ability or freedom to choose whether their child wears a mask in the classroom. That decision should not be up to the parents. Universal masking is effective only when EVERYONE (all the children and teachers) wears a mask in the classroom. Masks should be worn PROPERLY by covering the NOSE and MOUTH at all times. One reason why masking has not worked for us is that compliance of wearing masks properly is practically non existent.

This is what the CDC says about the effectiveness of Universal masking as source control.....

Science Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2 | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html)

[Altavia]

Masking is the only risk reduction available to children.

Powerpoint summary of the Science behind masking to reduce the risk of transmitting COVID.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/science-of-masking-full.pdf

[Gpsma]

Oh god..another mask thread...just what we need

[Two Bills]

Oh god..another mask thread...just what we need

Oh please..masks..be grateful u can still see to read them!:icon_wink:
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[n8xwb]

That's what someone says this week......

[njbchbum]

A mask mandate for children in school is necessary to slow the spread of this Covid virus. Parents should not have the ability or freedom to choose whether their child wears a mask in the classroom. That decision should not be up to the parents. Universal masking is effective only when EVERYONE (all the children and teachers) wears a mask in the classroom. Masks should be worn PROPERLY by covering the NOSE and MOUTH at all times. One reason why masking has not worked for us is that compliance of wearing masks properly is practically non existent.

This is what the CDC says about the effectiveness of Universal masking as source control.....

Science Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2 | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html)

Masking is the only risk reduction available to children.

Powerpoint summary of the Science behind masking to reduce the risk of transmitting COVID.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/science-of-masking-full.pdf

So you still have confidence in the CDC's "science" re children wearing masks after all of the teacher's union influence/interference?
cdc influenced by teacher's union at DuckDuckGo (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=cdc+influenced+by+teacher%27s+union&va=b&t=hc&ia=web)

And that court decision on mask wearing and parents seem to still be up in the air!
Access Denied (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254138713.html)

[TSO/ISPF]

So you still have confidence in the CDC's "science" re children wearing masks after all of the teacher's union influence/interference?
cdc influenced by teacher's union at DuckDuckGo (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=cdc+influenced+by+teacher%27s+union&va=b&t=hc&ia=web)

And that court decision on mask wearing and parents seem to still be up in the air!
Access Denied (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254138713.html)

How about common sense for a change! If you think it's harmful to wear a mask then keep the kids home. This argument about masks is just nuts. Last years cold and flew season was a non event. Doesn't that tell you masks do some good? The Delta version was not around last year. It's something of a new ball game for those who would talk about last school year.

[Bogie Shooter]

Oh god..another mask thread...just what we need

And the same posters with there bias opinions…….right nothing new to be learned here.

[JMintzer]

How about common sense for a change! If you think it's harmful to wear a mask then keep the kids home. This argument about masks is just nuts. Last years cold and flew season was a non event. Doesn't that tell you masks do some good? The Delta version was not around last year. It's something of a new ball game for those who would talk about last school year.

Cold and flu was down because everyone was working from home, kids were zooming for classes and people finally figured out how to wash their hands...

[Topspinmo]

I recommend we should have mask permanently sowed to our faces with only tiny slit for straw. The would solve several problems. Mask zombies, overweight problems, and obnoxiously loud people to name few. :welcome:

[golfing eagles]

A mask mandate for children in school is necessary to slow the spread of this Covid virus. Parents should not have the ability or freedom to choose whether their child wears a mask in the classroom. That decision should not be up to the parents. Universal masking is effective only when EVERYONE (all the children and teachers) wears a mask in the classroom. Masks should be worn PROPERLY by covering the NOSE and MOUTH at all times. One reason why masking has not worked for us is that compliance of wearing masks properly is practically non existent.

This is what the CDC says about the effectiveness of Universal masking as source control.....

Science Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2 | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html)

Totally agree.

I'm just going to re-post what I posted on another thread on the same subject which was closed because, as usual, people could not keep their dumb political comments to themselves.

Background----I posted that this decision should not be left to parents or even school boards because 90+% of them lack the knowledge to make such a decision. The usual culprit, and rather lamely this time, stated that I insulted 90+% of parents, and then quipped "My child has a temp of 103. Hello congressman, what should I do"

So here was my response:

Yes, when the topic is the understanding of the virology and epidemiology of a COVID pandemic and the value of masks for both the vaccinated and unvaccinated, adults and children, I AM going to insult 90+% of not only parents, but all adults as well. It is simply NOT a decision that should be left to either amateurs or politicians.

BTW, It's hardly an "insult". If you tell me I don't have the expertise to land an F-16 on the deck of an aircraft carrier, are you insulting me?

and as a to: "My child has a fever of 103. Hello, congressman. What should I do?"---How about "Hello, pediatrician, what should I do"?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Totally agree.

I'm just going to re-post what I posted on another thread on the same subject which was closed because, as usual, people could not keep their dumb political comments to themselves.

Background----I posted that this decision should not be left to parents or even school boards because 90+% of them lack the knowledge to make such a decision. The usual culprit, and rather lamely this time, stated that I insulted 90+% of parents, and then quipped "My child has a temp of 103. Hello congressman, what should I do"

So here was my response:

Yes, when the topic is the understanding of the virology and epidemiology of a COVID pandemic and the value of masks for both the vaccinated and unvaccinated, adults and children, I AM going to insult 90+% of not only parents, but all adults as well. It is simply NOT a decision that should be left to either amateurs or politicians.

BTW, It's hardly an "insult". If you tell me I don't have the expertise to land an F-16 on the deck of an aircraft carrier, are you insulting me?

and as a to: "My child has a fever of 103. Hello, congressman. What should I do?"---How about "Hello, pediatrician, what should I do"?

Why should anyone in the Villages care about whether children are put in harm's way? Their kids are all grown.


Let the parents of today's schoolkids decide whether or not to teach their kids to look both ways before crossing the street. Let them decide whether or not to give their kids a shotgun for their 10th birthday, or let their 12-year-old take the golf cart for a spin when they visit. Let the parents of today's kids decide whether or not they should be inconvenienced by a mask so that they don't catch a deadly disease that they aren't eligible to vaccinate against yet.

Let them decide whether or not to let them play with fireworks in the back yard.

Let them decide whether or not to bring up irresponsible children who were never taught that common sense is a good thing to have, and that as members of civilization, they are expected to grow up to be civilized adults.

Y'all had your turn making those decisions for YOUR kids. If the generation failed, it's because you failed them. Now sit back and let them raise or kill their own children as they see fit.

[banjobob]

“Take this mask and shove it I ain’t wearin’n it no more “, sorta stole that from a Paycheck song lol

[mrrmauu]

A mask mandate for children in school is necessary to slow the spread of this Covid virus. Parents should not have the ability or freedom to choose whether their child wears a mask in the classroom. That decision should not be up to the parents. Universal masking is effective only when EVERYONE (all the children and teachers) wears a mask in the classroom. Masks should be worn PROPERLY by covering the NOSE and MOUTH at all times. One reason why masking has not worked for us is that compliance of wearing masks properly is practically non existent.

This is what the CDC says about the effectiveness of Universal masking as source control.....

Science Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2 | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html)

This information is very relevant to a retirement community. <sarcasm>

[Andyb]

Masks are political statements, I demand this post to be shut down.

[golfing eagles]

This information is very relevant to a retirement community. <sarcasm>

You're right---none of us have grandchildren <sarcasm>

[Bhighley]

CDC said masks didn’t work at protecting against covid before they said to wear a mask to prevent the spread of Covid.. cDc said you don’t need to wear a mask outside before they said to wear a mask outside. They said the vaccine worked at preventing Covid before they said the said the vaccine doesn’t prevent the spread of covid. Now we have to have the unvaccinated get vaccinated to protect the vaccinated… I believe the CDC as much as I believe CNN.

[golfing eagles]

CDC said masks didn’t work at protecting against covid before they said to wear a mask to prevent the spread of Covid.. cDc said you don’t need to wear a mask outside before they said to wear a mask outside. They said the vaccine worked at preventing Covid before they said the said the vaccine doesn’t prevent the spread of covid. Now we have to have the unvaccinated get vaccinated to protect the vaccinated… I believe the CDC as much as I believe CNN.

Then who DO you believe????? TOTV????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[thevillages2013]

Cold and flu was down because everyone was working from home, kids were zooming for classes and people finally figured out how to wash their hands...
Cold and flu was lower because much of it was misdiagnosed as Covid

[Joe C.]

If your eyeglasses fog up when wearing a mask, you might be eligible for condensation.:1rotfl:

[Petersweeney]

If your eyeglasses fog up when wearing a mask, you might be eligible for condensation.:1rotfl:

Live a long life brother!

[KRMACK55]

A mask mandate for children in school is necessary to slow the spread of this Covid virus. Parents should not have the ability or freedom to choose whether their child wears a mask in the classroom. That decision should not be up to the parents. Universal masking is effective only when EVERYONE (all the children and teachers) wears a mask in the classroom. Masks should be worn PROPERLY by covering the NOSE and MOUTH at all times. One reason why masking has not worked for us is that compliance of wearing masks properly is practically non existent.

This is what the CDC says about the effectiveness of Universal masking as source control.....

Science Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2 | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html)
This statement about children and mask mandates is a joke right? The parents have the right not a mob not the masses etc.

[KRMACK55]

How about common sense for a change! If you think it's harmful to wear a mask then keep the kids home. This argument about masks is just nuts. Last years cold and flew season was a non event. Doesn't that tell you masks do some good? The Delta version was not around last year. It's something of a new ball game for those who would talk about last school year.
Reason why flus and colds weren’t reported is because feds media and others weren’t reporting them. There was heart disease cancer etc yet those weren’t reported. There is no contact tracing data nor true deaths as states were handed money to report Covid cases. Sounds like Alfred Hitchcock to me. Sheez

[Byte1]

A mask mandate for children in school is necessary to slow the spread of this Covid virus. Parents should not have the ability or freedom to choose whether their child wears a mask in the classroom. That decision should not be up to the parents. Universal masking is effective only when EVERYONE (all the children and teachers) wears a mask in the classroom. Masks should be worn PROPERLY by covering the NOSE and MOUTH at all times. One reason why masking has not worked for us is that compliance of wearing masks properly is practically non existent.

This is what the CDC says about the effectiveness of Universal masking as source control.....

Science Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2 | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html)

This is a good one...:1rotfl:
Adults do not "wear masks properly" and yet children will.....:1rotfl:
Since we all agree that cloth and paper masks are of little value, I suppose you will also mandate that schools provide N95 masks for the children?
This is a slippery slope, even if it is taken seriously. First off, once you mandate a mask how will that mandate ever be lifted? Who will decide? Will a mask be mandated during flu season also, since more children are affected by the flu than by Covid? Will a mask mandate be enforced for anyone that has a cold?
Let the parents decide what they wish for their children and leave others out of it, ESPECIALLY the Feds. Not experts? Maybe not, but they are responsible for their own children, not other families' children.
I can see it now, high school kids are going to make out with their girlfriends with their masks on, smoke in the parking lot with their masks on, etc. Of course, you will say that this won't happen. Of course not, just like teens don't skip school or smoke weed...:1rotfl:
More gov control is not the answer (my opinion). Just because a few folks on here are "needy" and wish someone else to make decisions for them, not all Americans are dependent on others for decision making.
Masking may help, MAY HELP slow the progression of this biological warfare, but we are showing just as many infections today as we were almost a year ago. Delta variant? OK, so how many variants are we going to suffer through before someone decides to allow nature run it's course and that collateral damage is unavoidable?
Make the children suffer while attending school as they attempt to learn? Perhaps we can put police officers into the schools to enforce mask wearing?
If you are afraid of your kids catching the virus, then keep them home because a mask is not going to protect them. No one is banning masks in schools and parents can "mandate" their own children wearing masks.
Some adults are weak and dependent on the gov to make decisions for them. Some adults have no common sense or do not learn from history when it comes to gov control. Agreed upon rules and laws are good, but life is full of challenges and no one can completely protect you from all dangers.

[Altavia]

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[Dzurinko]

A mask mandate for children in school is necessary to slow the spread of this Covid virus. Parents should not have the ability or freedom to choose whether their child wears a mask in the classroom. That decision should not be up to the parents. Universal masking is effective only when EVERYONE (all the children and teachers) wears a mask in the classroom. Masks should be worn PROPERLY by covering the NOSE and MOUTH at all times. One reason why masking has not worked for us is that compliance of wearing masks properly is practically non existent.

This is what the CDC says about the effectiveness of Universal masking as source control.....

Science Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2 | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html)

I found THIS sentence in the original post very alarming coming from an American: “ Parents should not have the ability or freedom to choose..”. This says it all and accounts for many of the problems we’re seeing today in America.. Real Americans are willingly giving up their freedom and insist others do the same! I just couldn’t even get past that sentence!

[Ski Bum]

Cold and flu was down because everyone was working from home, kids were zooming for classes and people finally figured out how to wash their hands...

I would add that it is not a good thing that kids (and adults) are not catching viruses and building immunities. If we isolate ourselves from everyday illnesses, after a period of time, we will be a very fragile society.

[bonrich]

Remember how many of us fought wearing seat belts? The usual remark, was it's my choice to wear a belt. Then some cars had the seat belt wrap around you when you started and now, "it's the law." Even though it's required, I wear a belt every time I am driving, put it on without thinking about it. Will we reach mask use to the level that seat belts are used? Maybe.............

[Byte1]

How about common sense for a change! If you think it's harmful to wear a mask then keep the kids home. This argument about masks is just nuts. Last years cold and flew season was a non event. Doesn't that tell you masks do some good? The Delta version was not around last year. It's something of a new ball game for those who would talk about last school year.

That's NOT common sense. Common sense says that IF you are scared of your child catching Covid, then KEEP HIM/HER home. Common sense says that a child wearing a mask is not going to continue to wear it properly for extended periods, if at all. Common sense says that if you believe other children are infected, then why send them into harm's way, even with a stupid cloth or paper mask?
The reason the cold and flu season was so low last year was NOT because of masks but because everyone was at home, hiding from the dreaded Covid. How many children caught Covid, died from Covid? Kind of hard for them to become infected by other students if they are "zooming" their lessons. Kind of hard for them to catch colds or the Flu.

[nick demis]

should not have the ability or freedom


FREEDOM is what makes this the United Stated of America. People should move to China or Russia if they don't want their FREEDOM.

[airstreamingypsy]

[QUOTE=OrangeBlossomBaby;2004068]Why should anyone in the Villages care about whether children are put in harm's way? Their kids are all grown.

These endless mask threads have nothing to do with The Villages, they are just ways to stir up you know what.

[JMintzer]

There's a prominent political figure in Florida arguing that last year shows that masking was not that important and so kids shouldn't be mandated to wear a mask in school. Does the fact that most kids weren't in school make that argument questionable ?

No, because they didn't learn anything, coming up on 2 years...

[JMintzer]

Cold and flu was lower because much of it was misdiagnosed as Covid

Winner, Winner, Chicken Dinner!

[DeeCee Dubya]

Bean If I told you they were monsters underneath your bed, would you believe that too?

[gweisheipl]

What about mandatory hand washing? What about mandatory tooth brushing? What about mandatory chap stick use? What about mandatory no kissing? You people are so hung up on face diapers that are never worn correctly. All Ridiculous! COVID is with us forever, so is mandatory mask wearing forever? Not for this guy!

[Gunny2403]

Rather than let you know explicitly what I think of you and your post, let’s just say I disagree with the entire post

[Conniehar]

You seriously believe the CDC? There was no flu last year because everything was classified as COVID. This is all such a joke! Masks don’t work! COVID is here to stay! Let the kids breathe!

[Cheiro]

Here, Here!! Am very pleased to see your posting, congratulations.

[taruffi57]

Way out of date info. Many experts and medical research studies disagree with your opinion. And besides, children are by far the least likely to have any serious consequences of COVID - due to their excellent natural immune system. We are now having multiple and serious side effects - even deaths, from the "vaccines". Medical personnel are refusing the jabs and even losing their jobs because they have seen the risks.

[Bogie Shooter]

Rather than let you know explicitly what I think of you and your post, let’s just say I disagree with the entire post

There are so many that this would apply to, which one did you mean?

[Jacob85]

That is so right! Parents don’t get to opt out restraining their child in car seats or using seat belts!

[merrymini]

Children have been harmed by not going to school, perhaps unmeasurably harmed.
I am certain that those same children continue to wear the useless masks outside of the classroom too.
These organizations lie so much, they would not know the truth if it hit them in the nose.
Mandates are a terrible idea.
People who are vaccinated get sick too.
This is coronavirus 19, meaning there are 18 that have come before it.
You are being played.

[Ksfirefighter]

A mask mandate for children in school is necessary to slow the spread of this Covid virus. Parents should not have the ability or freedom to choose whether their child wears a mask in the classroom. That decision should not be up to the parents. Universal masking is effective only when EVERYONE (all the children and teachers) wears a mask in the classroom. Masks should be worn PROPERLY by covering the NOSE and MOUTH at all times. One reason why masking has not worked for us is that compliance of wearing masks properly is practically non existent.

This is what the CDC says about the effectiveness of Universal masking as source control.....

Science Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2 | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html)

Nope, not buying it. The ones that make the mask rules are always caught without masks in public at parties. If you think masks work then wear one and leave me and mine alone.
Get the shot and you wont get Covid. That’s what they say!

[SkBlogW]

A mask mandate for children in school is necessary to slow the spread of this Covid virus. Parents should not have the ability or freedom to choose whether their child wears a mask in the classroom. That decision should not be up to the parents. Universal masking is effective only when EVERYONE (all the children and teachers) wears a mask in the classroom. Masks should be worn PROPERLY by covering the NOSE and MOUTH at all times. One reason why masking has not worked for us is that compliance of wearing masks properly is practically non existent.

This is what the CDC says about the effectiveness of Universal masking as source control.....

Science Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2 | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html)

Sorry but the CDC "science brief" is full of errors and junk observational "studies" that prove nothing. In the one RCT study cited thay really couldn't tell if any reduction was due to masks, social distancing, or handwashing. Plus they actually coached the masked villagers to social distance more during the study. Too many confounding variable to be reliable.

If you really want to understand why observational studies are junk science and why the mask mandate advocates keep using them instead of RCT studies, read this article in full.

Do Masks Work? | City Journal (https://www.city-journal.org/do-masks-work-a-review-of-the-evidence)

[Skeety]

😡😡😡😡😡😡😡

[kendi]

How about common sense for a change! If you think it's harmful to wear a mask then keep the kids home. This argument about masks is just nuts. Last years cold and flew season was a non event. Doesn't that tell you masks do some good? The Delta version was not around last year. It's something of a new ball game for those who would talk about last school year.

I don’t think anyone can say for certain that it’s the masks that made the flu season a non event. The flu spreads more readily in the winter cause people are inside and closer together. During CoVID people social distanced and many even isolated themselves. Keep in mind too that hand washing plays a huge role in reducing the spread of the flu. Many who didn’t before are now are diligently hand washing and desensitizing everything they touch. The role of mask wearing in reducing the numbers is highly over rated IMO.

[SkBlogW]

At least "the help" were masked at Met Gala

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Social media rages at 'hypocritical' Met Gala A-listers and AOC for NOT wearing masks | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9989583/Social-media-rages-hypocrtical-Met-Gala-listers-AOC-NOT-wearing-masks.html)

[waterflower]

When you go to a lab and have posession of the "covid" cells, then see if the size of it will go through the blue chinese mask..Lets talk. Show the video. Look at the side of the box of the blue mask. There is a warning that the mask does not prevent viruses from transfer. Why would you trust the cdc. They are funded by the corporations that profit from the mandates and lies. We need professional that care about humanity do the research.

[Gettingoutofdodge]

Unless you are wearing a N95 mask, wearing one doesn’t stop Covid19 virus from getting into the mask. No one got sick last year because no one went out! I’m a New Yorker, soon to be a Villager. I still work PT in a school. I don’t wear a mask in the building, but I do follow social distancing. It’s so sad to see all the kids with masks on. The school is randomly tested weekly for Covid.
I wear a mask food shopping or in a retail store. I keep my hands away from my face and carry Purel with me. I am vaccinated and just had my immunity checked, it was still high. I have family members who followed all these regulations to the T. They still got Covid. Thank God, they all recovered, even my 62 yo, diabetic, overweight cousin who got it and had no symptoms.
I follow my rules, what works for me. Mandates not so.

[Nellmack]

I'm from a large city where wearing a mask is a sign of respect for others around you. It's not political, masks provide some form of protection. Is a mask perfect? No, but it's better than not wearing a mask.

The problem is that some folks refuse to get vaccinated and and they are the ones that continue to spread the disease. 96% of the people being emitted to the hospital are unvaccinated. What more proof does anyone need? If everyone got vaccinated the spread would stop and this conversation would be over. Our economy, travel, life would be back to normal.

If you refuse to get the vaccination you are to blame for the ongoing pandemic. You are stubborn, selfish and a detriment to society. The resolution is pretty simple.

[Byte1]

That is so right! Parents don’t get to opt out restraining their child in car seats or using seat belts!

Are you suggesting that parents have no right in how they raise their children?
BTW, what does using seat belts have to do with wearing masks? Other than stopping a bug from flying into your mouth, will a mask prevent auto accidents? :MOJE_whot:

[Skeety]

I'm from a large city where wearing a mask is a sign of respect for others around you. It's not political, masks provide some form of protection. Is a mask perfect? No, but it's better than not wearing a mask.

The problem is that some folks refuse to get vaccinated and and they are the ones that continue to spread the disease. 96% of the people being emitted to the hospital are unvaccinated. What more proof does anyone need? If everyone got vaccinated the spread would stop and this conversation would be over. Our economy, travel, life would be back to normal.

If you refuse to get the vaccination you are to blame for the ongoing pandemic. You are stubborn, selfish and a detriment to society. The resolution is pretty simple.
Total BS. The vaccine has cause more damage than good. Violent headaches. F***** up heart. Severe rash. DON'T TAKE THIS POISON!!

[Lindaws]

Amen to that

[Skeety]

I recommend we should have mask permanently sowed to our faces with only tiny slit for straw. The would solve several problems. Mask zombies, overweight problems, and obnoxiously loud people to name few. :welcome:
🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Skeety]

I'm from a large city where wearing a mask is a sign of respect for others around you. It's not political, masks provide some form of protection. Is a mask perfect? No, but it's better than not wearing a mask.

The problem is that some folks refuse to get vaccinated and and they are the ones that continue to spread the disease. 96% of the people being emitted to the hospital are unvaccinated. What more proof does anyone need? If everyone got vaccinated the spread would stop and this conversation would be over. Our economy, travel, life would be back to normal.

If you refuse to get the vaccination you are to blame for the ongoing pandemic. You are stubborn, selfish and a detriment to society. The resolution is pretty simple.
Heil Hitler!!!

[PJackpot]

A mask mandate for children in school is necessary to slow the spread of this Covid virus. Parents should not have the ability or freedom to choose whether their child wears a mask in the classroom. That decision should not be up to the parents. Universal masking is effective only when EVERYONE (all the children and teachers) wears a mask in the classroom. Masks should be worn PROPERLY by covering the NOSE and MOUTH at all times. One reason why masking has not worked for us is that compliance of wearing masks properly is practically non existent.

This is what the CDC says about the effectiveness of Universal masking as source control.....

Science Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2 | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html)

Not going to happen in the free state of Florida. You want fascism, you'll have to go find it somewhere else.

[Byte1]

Masks or vaccinations? Hmmmm, does anything other than distance really work?

[gemini5001]

Not to mention the ugly ones also...lol

[SkBlogW]

"If only everyone would get vaccinated and wear masks, covid would go away"

Singapore, 80% vaccinated, 91% mask compliance

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[coffeebean]

Oh god..another mask thread...just what we need

When there are still people who feel "masks do nothing" then YES, YES, YES, YES, we need another mask thread. Masks most certainly help to mitigate the spread of this virus These kids need all the protection they can possibly get. And yet.....we have mask mandates that are prohibited in our state for school children in the classroom. That simple mitigation effort for these kids is absolutely necessary to keep them safer in the classroom.

As I have already said in my OP.......EVERYONE in the classroom must wear a mask for Universal Masking to be effective. Why is it that the people who should be up on this stuff are casting the science aside?

Universal masking is in effect for airline travel in this country. Why not protect our children in the same manner?

[coffeebean]

So you still have confidence in the CDC's "science" re children wearing masks after all of the teacher's union influence/interference?
cdc influenced by teacher's union at DuckDuckGo (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=cdc+influenced+by+teacher%27s+union&va=b&t=hc&ia=web)

And that court decision on mask wearing and parents seem to still be up in the air!
Access Denied (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254138713.html)

Yes. I read the article and it actually backs up what I believe regarding Universal Masking.

[Byte1]

When there are still people who feel "masks do nothing" then YES, YES, YES, YES, we need another mask thread. Masks most certainly help to mitigate the spread of this virus These kids need all the protection they can possibly get. And yet.....we have mask mandates that are prohibited in our state for school children in the classroom. That simple mitigation effort for these kids is absolutely necessary to keep them safer in the classroom.

As I have already said in my OP.......EVERYONE in the classroom must wear a mask for Universal Masking to be effective. Why is it that the people who should be up on this stuff are casting the science aside?

Universal masking is in effect for airline travel in this country. Why not protect our children in the same manner?

Because it won't work and will only debilitate any possible learning in the classroom. Probably better to let them sit in front of the computer at home. And they will not wear the masks properly when you can't even get adults to wear them in the proper manner. Are you also going to supply REAL masks for them or possibly have them make their own in art class?

[coffeebean]

This information is very relevant to a retirement community. <sarcasm>

Sarcasm understood so I can only assume you do not care about the children who are affected by no mask mandate in schools. Throw them to the wolves, so to speak. These aren't my kids or grandkids, but I am concerned for their safety.

[coffeebean]

Masks are political statements, I demand this post to be shut down.

Masks are NOT political statements or, let me rephrase that, should not be a political statement. Universal masking is all about public health. Politics should have absolutely nothing to do with public health. Period.

[coffeebean]

CDC said masks didn’t work at protecting against covid before they said to wear a mask to prevent the spread of Covid.. cDc said you don’t need to wear a mask outside before they said to wear a mask outside. They said the vaccine worked at preventing Covid before they said the said the vaccine doesn’t prevent the spread of covid. Now we have to have the unvaccinated get vaccinated to protect the vaccinated… I believe the CDC as much as I believe CNN.

You speak in riddles. LOL.

[coffeebean]

This statement about children and mask mandates is a joke right? The parents have the right not a mob not the masses etc.

No joke. I would never joke about public health and safety, especially for children.

[Neils]

How about common sense for a change! If you think it's harmful to wear a mask then keep the kids home. This argument about masks is just nuts. Last years cold and flew season was a non event. Doesn't that tell you masks do some good? The Delta version was not around last year. It's something of a new ball game for those who would talk about last school year.

Or if you desire 100% masks on others kids, you can always keep your kids home and wearing their masks. Choices choices

[coffeebean]

This is a good one...:1rotfl:
Adults do not "wear masks properly" and yet children will.....:1rotfl:
Since we all agree that cloth and paper masks are of little value, I suppose you will also mandate that schools provide N95 masks for the children?
This is a slippery slope, even if it is taken seriously. First off, once you mandate a mask how will that mandate ever be lifted? Who will decide? Will a mask be mandated during flu season also, since more children are affected by the flu than by Covid? Will a mask mandate be enforced for anyone that has a cold?
Let the parents decide what they wish for their children and leave others out of it, ESPECIALLY the Feds. Not experts? Maybe not, but they are responsible for their own children, not other families' children.
I can see it now, high school kids are going to make out with their girlfriends with their masks on, smoke in the parking lot with their masks on, etc. Of course, you will say that this won't happen. Of course not, just like teens don't skip school or smoke weed...:1rotfl:
More gov control is not the answer (my opinion). Just because a few folks on here are "needy" and wish someone else to make decisions for them, not all Americans are dependent on others for decision making.
Masking may help, MAY HELP slow the progression of this biological warfare, but we are showing just as many infections today as we were almost a year ago. Delta variant? OK, so how many variants are we going to suffer through before someone decides to allow nature run it's course and that collateral damage is unavoidable?
Make the children suffer while attending school as they attempt to learn? Perhaps we can put police officers into the schools to enforce mask wearing?
If you are afraid of your kids catching the virus, then keep them home because a mask is not going to protect them. No one is banning masks in schools and parents can "mandate" their own children wearing masks.
Some adults are weak and dependent on the gov to make decisions for them. Some adults have no common sense or do not learn from history when it comes to gov control. Agreed upon rules and laws are good, but life is full of challenges and no one can completely protect you from all dangers.

You miss the entire point of Universal Masking. Hit and miss masking will not cut it. THIS is why masking has not worked for us here in the US. The compliance was non existent. If half the children wear masks, that will not be effective. Might as well have none of the kids wear a mask unless they are protective masks such as the N95 masks.

Remember........."your mask protects me and my mask protects you" That will not work is some parents do not make their child wear a mask. Masks should be MANDATED, no ifs ands or buts about it.

[coffeebean]

I found THIS sentence in the original post very alarming coming from an American: “ Parents should not have the ability or freedom to choose..”. This says it all and accounts for many of the problems we’re seeing today in America.. Real Americans are willingly giving up their freedom and insist others do the same! I just couldn’t even get past that sentence!

Well, get past it. I said that for the good of the children and for public safety and for their health. There are parents who have no clue how to keep their children safe. There are parents who, for religious reasons, will not allow their child a blood transfusion if their child is hemorrhaging. Parents don't always know what is best for their children when it comes to their health.

[golfing eagles]

Total BS. The vaccine has cause more damage than good. Violent headaches. F***** up heart. Severe rash. DON'T TAKE THIS POISON!!

Lowe's and Home Depot sell manure for $1.99/bag. This post should fetch about $3,000!

[Joe C.]

IMHO...
If you allow and accept a mask mandate, then what follows is that there will be a vaccine mandate, and for those who don't comply, there will be a death camp mandate.
We don't need to go down that social slippery slope.

Let those who are pro-vaccine get vaccinated. It will protect them from the covid. Let those who choose no vaccine the freedom to do so.
If you got the vaccine, then why worry.....you're protected (supposedly).

[Mortal1]

there's always someone that believes what the fake news sells.

[golfing eagles]

IMHO...
If you allow and accept a mask mandate, then what follows is that there will be a vaccine mandate, and for those who don't comply, there will be a death camp mandate.
We don't need to go down that social slippery slope.

Let those who are pro-vaccine get vaccinated. It will protect them from the covid. Let those who choose no vaccine the freedom to do so.
If you got the vaccine, then why worry.....you're protected (supposedly).

It's a long way from mask mandates to "death camps"
That's like saying seat belt mandates lead to road tests every 6 months which leads to mandatory participation in a roadside chain gang:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Do you know why the courts upheld seat belt laws, even for a single person with no family driving alone and getting in a single car accident? It was because the cost of any excess injury that was incurred due to a lack of seat belt use would ultimately be shared by other people, whether Medicare, Medicaid, No-fault, or private insurance. Hence it was ruled constitutional and legal.

Not a big leap to conclude that mask mandates would be ultimately upheld under the same principle.

[rsmurano]

Regarding masks for anyone, common sense went out the window 18 months ago, the gullible left listen to the fake news and buy it word for word. I got vaccinated and I will never wear a mask, I never wore a mask before that unless I wanted/needed to go inside that establishment. If you are nervous and think you are going to die if you go outside, then you, not me, have to do whatever makes you comfortable. I have as many experts or more as you that state masks are bad for you.
For example: what happened to your people telling you you had to wear multiple masks? I’m sure these same people that are mandating masks wore 2 masks then. Also, how about your people telling you the cloth masks don’t do squat for protection, you need the n95 mask, I don’t hear you claiming everybody needs to wear those.
IMO, most of the jargon on masks change daily depending on what the left wants you to believe.

[SkBlogW]

You miss the entire point of Universal Masking. Hit and miss masking will not cut it. THIS is why masking has not worked for us here in the US. The compliance was non existent. If half the children wear masks, that will not be effective. Might as well have none of the kids wear a mask unless they are protective masks such as the N95 masks.

Remember........."your mask protects me and my mask protects you" That will not work is some parents do not make their child wear a mask. Masks should be MANDATED, no ifs ands or buts about it.

Singapore says hold my beer

80% vaccinated, 91% mask compliance gets you this:

90820

[Road-Runner]

At what point does an individual's right to choose, and a parent's right to choose for their children, enter into some people's equation? There are obviously lines that as a society we have drawn that don't allow true child abuse to occur even if the parent disagrees, but that's not this. Some parents, with substantial justification, see masks as a hinderance to learning and even potential health threat themselves. Masks are political at this point, the politicians and media pundits have made them so. Remember, the group pushing mandatory masks on school children are also the group pushing for gender reassignments for 8 year-olds for children who don't act 100% in accordance with their birth gender. Oh, and that's with or without the parents permission or ability to intervene. The worlds gone nuts.

[SkBlogW]

No joke. I would never joke about public health and safety, especially for children.

As of 9/15, CDC reports a total of 439 covid deaths from 0-17 years

That's 439 out of a population of 74 million.

Over 1000 kids have already died from the flu and pnuemonia.

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex)

Over the course of the pandemic, 49,000 Americans under the age of 18 have died of all causes, minus 439 from covid.

The Kids Were Safe From COVID the Whole Time (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/07/the-kids-were-safe-from-covid-the-whole-time.html)

"Save the children" is really just politicians trying to look like they are doing something and old people who want the whole world to stop living until they no longer fear covid.

[Bill14564]

Singapore says hold my beer

80% vaccinated, 91% mask compliance gets you this:

90820

Yes, about 1/4 to 1/3 the number of daily new cases (adjusted to population) that we have and essentially zero deaths. How much better might the US be doing if we had that kind of compliance?

(yes, I know 58 is not zero but compared to 660,000 it is essentially zero)

[Bill14564]

As of 9/15, CDC reports a total of 439 covid deaths from 0-17 years

That's 439 out of a population of 74 million.

Over 1000 kids have already died from the flu and pnuemonia.

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex)

Over the course of the pandemic, 49,000 Americans under the age of 18 have died of all causes, minus 439 from covid.

The Kids Were Safe From COVID the Whole Time (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/07/the-kids-were-safe-from-covid-the-whole-time.html)

"Save the children" is really just politicians trying to look like they are doing something and old people who want the whole world to stop living until they no longer fear covid.

From the "...Kids Were Safe..." article:
Which means that while more cases are likely and some amount of hospitalization and death, as well, vaccines have eliminated the overwhelming share of American mortality risk, with the disease now circulating almost exclusively among people who can endure it much, much better — kids especially.

I wonder if the current 140,000+ new cases per day, 1,800+ deaths per day, and 96,700 currently hospitalized are what the authors envisioned when they wrote that paragraph?

[jimjamuser]

A mask mandate for children in school is necessary to slow the spread of this Covid virus. Parents should not have the ability or freedom to choose whether their child wears a mask in the classroom. That decision should not be up to the parents. Universal masking is effective only when EVERYONE (all the children and teachers) wears a mask in the classroom. Masks should be worn PROPERLY by covering the NOSE and MOUTH at all times. One reason why masking has not worked for us is that compliance of wearing masks properly is practically non existent.

This is what the CDC says about the effectiveness of Universal masking as source control.....

Science Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2 | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html)
I agree.

[PugMom]

Remember how many of us fought wearing seat belts? The usual remark, was it's my choice to wear a belt. Then some cars had the seat belt wrap around you when you started and now, "it's the law." Even though it's required, I wear a belt every time I am driving, put it on without thinking about it. Will we reach mask use to the level that seat belts are used? Maybe.............

that's assuming everyone wears a belt. there are many who don't

[Bogie Shooter]

that's assuming everyone wears a belt. there are many who don't
Yes we read about their deaths every day………….

[Velvet]

Why should anyone in the Villages care about whether children are put in harm's way? Their kids are all grown.


Let the parents of today's schoolkids decide whether or not to teach their kids to look both ways before crossing the street. Let them decide whether or not to give their kids a shotgun for their 10th birthday, or let their 12-year-old take the golf cart for a spin when they visit. Let the parents of today's kids decide whether or not they should be inconvenienced by a mask so that they don't catch a deadly disease that they aren't eligible to vaccinate against yet.

Let them decide whether or not to let them play with fireworks in the back yard.

Let them decide whether or not to bring up irresponsible children who were never taught that common sense is a good thing to have, and that as members of civilization, they are expected to grow up to be civilized adults.

Y'all had your turn making those decisions for YOUR kids. If the generation failed, it's because you failed them. Now sit back and let them raise or kill their own children as they see fit.

Children should never be the victim of their parents.

[jimjamuser]

Masking is the only risk reduction available to children.

Powerpoint summary of the Science behind masking to reduce the risk of transmitting COVID.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/science-of-masking-full.pdf
For risk reduction, there is also indoor ventilation, distance separation, and plexiglass between desks. But, the problem is that people are loath to increase property taxes to pay for increased costs for public schools. Many retired Americans no longer can relate to children in school. And many young married adults with children see schools as just a FREE baby sitting service while they work.

[JMintzer]

For risk reduction, there is also indoor ventilation, distance separation, and plexiglass between desks. But, the problem is that people are loath to increase property taxes to pay for increased costs for public schools. Many retired Americans no longer can relate to children in school. And many young married adults with children see schools as just a FREE baby sitting service while they work.

I disagree...

[jimjamuser]

Oh god..another mask thread...just what we need
Obviously we NEED it and WANT it. Until CV is gone, masking and vaccinations will be a PRIME subject because CV IS a prime PROBLEM. No one will die if their golf car is NOT repaired by the best mechanic.

[jimjamuser]

Totally agree.

I'm just going to re-post what I posted on another thread on the same subject which was closed because, as usual, people could not keep their dumb political comments to themselves.

Background----I posted that this decision should not be left to parents or even school boards because 90+% of them lack the knowledge to make such a decision. The usual culprit, and rather lamely this time, stated that I insulted 90+% of parents, and then quipped "My child has a temp of 103. Hello congressman, what should I do"

So here was my response:

Yes, when the topic is the understanding of the virology and epidemiology of a COVID pandemic and the value of masks for both the vaccinated and unvaccinated, adults and children, I AM going to insult 90+% of not only parents, but all adults as well. It is simply NOT a decision that should be left to either amateurs or politicians.

BTW, It's hardly an "insult". If you tell me I don't have the expertise to land an F-16 on the deck of an aircraft carrier, are you insulting me?

and as a to: "My child has a fever of 103. Hello, congressman. What should I do?"---How about "Hello, pediatrician, what should I do"?
How about, "hello Congressman can we please have National Health Care so that we can ALL afford to get good Pediatric and Public Healthcare like all the rest of the free, 1st world nations."

[Fassinof]

The CDC and Fauci and others have flip flopped over this many times. As such, it is impossible to make an informed decision and everyone has a position an the subject. Mandating masks should not happen any more than mandating not wearing them. It is an individual choice.

[jimjamuser]

This information is very relevant to a retirement community. <sarcasm>
It is perfectly relevant (sincerity)

[jimjamuser]

Masks are political statements, I demand this post to be shut down.
A truly strange statement.

[jimjamuser]

Cold and flu was lower because much of it was misdiagnosed as Covid
Lower because of masks......indisputable.

[SkBlogW]

From the "...Kids Were Safe..." article:
Which means that while more cases are likely and some amount of hospitalization and death, as well, vaccines have eliminated the overwhelming share of American mortality risk, with the disease now circulating almost exclusively among people who can endure it much, much better — kids especially.

I wonder if the current 140,000+ new cases per day, 1,800+ deaths per day, and 96,700 currently hospitalized are what the authors envisioned when they wrote that paragraph?

The article was written July 12, before we knew that the vaccines were really losing efficacy,

I can pull up some nice quotes from Fauci from a few months ago saying we won't be seeing dramatic surges this fall if you like.

Anyway, the article was about kids, and this thread is about mandating masks.

There's been 4.8 million cases in kids 0 to 17, 439 have died, most of which had existing health problems. A twelve year old is 10,000 times less likely to die from covid as a 75 year old is. Masks will do nothing, we need boosters and soon or its not going to be a fun winter.

[jimjamuser]

Remember how many of us fought wearing seat belts? The usual remark, was it's my choice to wear a belt. Then some cars had the seat belt wrap around you when you started and now, "it's the law." Even though it's required, I wear a belt every time I am driving, put it on without thinking about it. Will we reach mask use to the level that seat belts are used? Maybe.............
Yes if we can't finish off the CV and it is as of now beating us, thanks to the anti-s of the world.

[SkBlogW]

Lower because of masks......indisputable.

Please explain to the class on how masks can stop influenza virus aerosols less than 5 micrometers in size but cant stop covid virus aerosols less than 5 micrometers in size.

[jimjamuser]

Way out of date info. Many experts and medical research studies disagree with your opinion. And besides, children are by far the least likely to have any serious consequences of COVID - due to their excellent natural immune system. We are now having multiple and serious side effects - even deaths, from the "vaccines". Medical personnel are refusing the jabs and even losing their jobs because they have seen the risks.
Jabs are for boxing events. Not medical dialog!

[jimjamuser]

I'm from a large city where wearing a mask is a sign of respect for others around you. It's not political, masks provide some form of protection. Is a mask perfect? No, but it's better than not wearing a mask.

The problem is that some folks refuse to get vaccinated and and they are the ones that continue to spread the disease. 96% of the people being emitted to the hospital are unvaccinated. What more proof does anyone need? If everyone got vaccinated the spread would stop and this conversation would be over. Our economy, travel, life would be back to normal.

If you refuse to get the vaccination you are to blame for the ongoing pandemic. You are stubborn, selfish and a detriment to society. The resolution is pretty simple.
Deaths are 11 times greater in the UN vaccinated than the vaccinated.

[jimjamuser]

Are you suggesting that parents have no right in how they raise their children?
BTW, what does using seat belts have to do with wearing masks? Other than stopping a bug from flying into your mouth, will a mask prevent auto accidents? :MOJE_whot:
Seat belts and wearing masks and getting vaccinated are both related ways that the Federal Government is TRYING to protect its citizens. THAT is their job! We pay them to provide protection.

[Roron123]

Oh god..another mask thread...just what we need

Give me a break another fearmongering when masks cause many respiratory problems and sinus infections etc ugh!!!!

[jimjamuser]

Total BS. The vaccine has cause more damage than good. Violent headaches. F***** up heart. Severe rash. DON'T TAKE THIS POISON!!
Bad advice and confidence reigns supreme in the camp of the ignorant!

[jimjamuser]

When there are still people who feel "masks do nothing" then YES, YES, YES, YES, we need another mask thread. Masks most certainly help to mitigate the spread of this virus These kids need all the protection they can possibly get. And yet.....we have mask mandates that are prohibited in our state for school children in the classroom. That simple mitigation effort for these kids is absolutely necessary to keep them safer in the classroom.

As I have already said in my OP.......EVERYONE in the classroom must wear a mask for Universal Masking to be effective. Why is it that the people who should be up on this stuff are casting the science aside?

Universal masking is in effect for airline travel in this country. Why not protect our children in the same manner?
Strangely the US is exporting its anti-Science attitudes to Canada.

[jimjamuser]

It's a long way from mask mandates to "death camps"
That's like saying seat belt mandates lead to road tests every 6 months which leads to mandatory participation in a roadside chain gang:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Do you know why the courts upheld seat belt laws, even for a single person with no family driving alone and getting in a single car accident? It was because the cost of any excess injury that was incurred due to a lack of seat belt use would ultimately be shared by other people, whether Medicare, Medicaid, No-fault, or private insurance. Hence it was ruled constitutional and legal.

Not a big leap to conclude that mask mandates would be ultimately upheld under the same principle.
I agree with the contents of ths post.

[eyc234]

Cold and flu was down because everyone was working from home, kids were zooming for classes and people finally figured out how to wash their hands...

:bigbow: :faint:

[coffeebean]

Bean If I told you they were monsters underneath your bed, would you believe that too?

I assume you are addressing me. Are you implying I am gullible?

[Katieburr]

Absolutely agree! If mandating masking had happened from the very beginning we would not be in the state we’re in now. And now our children are getting sick and dying. How on earth does anyone justify this?

[coffeebean]

What about mandatory hand washing? What about mandatory tooth brushing? What about mandatory chap stick use? What about mandatory no kissing? You people are so hung up on face diapers that are never worn correctly. All Ridiculous! COVID is with us forever, so is mandatory mask wearing forever? Not for this guy!

I have not been wearing any mask since I have been fully vaccinated.I will get the booster when I'm eligible. No more masking for me unless it is required by an establishment such as health care facilities.

I started this thread about young children who are not old enough to be vaccinated yet and will be in schools for in person learning.

[coffeebean]

Rather than let you know explicitly what I think of you and your post, let’s just say I disagree with the entire post

You did not quote which poster you are referring to. Why not quote the post so there is no guess work involved?

[coffeebean]

You seriously believe the CDC? There was no flu last year because everything was classified as COVID. This is all such a joke! Masks don’t work! COVID is here to stay! Let the kids breathe!

I can see we are on opposite sides of the fence on this. Each of us has differing beliefs and yes, of course, I believe the CDC.

[coffeebean]

Children have been harmed by not going to school, perhaps unmeasurably harmed.
I am certain that those same children continue to wear the useless masks outside of the classroom too.
These organizations lie so much, they would not know the truth if it hit them in the nose.
Mandates are a terrible idea.
People who are vaccinated get sick too.
This is coronavirus 19, meaning there are 18 that have come before it.
You are being played.

Where in the world did you ever get that idea? ROTFLMAO!

[coffeebean]

Nope, not buying it. The ones that make the mask rules are always caught without masks in public at parties. If you think masks work then wear one and leave me and mine alone.
Get the shot and you wont get Covid. That’s what they say!

I'm fully vaccinated and do not wear a mask anywhere unless it is required. Since I've been fully vaccinated, I can count on one hand the amount of times I have worn a mask. I've already said this, I believe but will repeat it to address your post specifically. My OP was to address school age children who can not be vaccinated and will be sitting in classrooms for in person learning.

[golfing eagles]

How about, "hello Congressman can we please have National Health Care so that we can ALL afford to get good Pediatric and Public Healthcare like all the rest of the free, 1st world nations."

How about it-----you mean turn our best health care in the world into another European type crap socialist program where you die waiting for care???? No thanks.

[golfing eagles]

Lower because of masks......indisputable.

Very, very disputable.

[frose]

just pure stupidity on our parts.

[jimjamuser]

Absolutely agree! If mandating masking had happened from the very beginning we would not be in the state we’re in now. And now our children are getting sick and dying. How on earth does anyone justify this?
I agree with masking, but we also needed vaccinations up to 85% of America by July. Now we have fed the beast (CV) and it is stronger. We are now in a world of hurt.

[jimjamuser]

How about it-----you mean turn our best health care in the world into another European type crap socialist program where you die waiting for care???? No thanks.
I disagree with this post.

[coffeebean]

Singapore says hold my beer

80% vaccinated, 91% mask compliance gets you this:

90820

Is this graph accurate? Why should anyone believe this?

[Escape Artist]

A mask mandate for children in school is necessary to slow the spread of this Covid virus. Parents should not have the ability or freedom to choose whether their child wears a mask in the classroom. That decision should not be up to the parents. Universal masking is effective only when EVERYONE (all the children and teachers) wears a mask in the classroom. Masks should be worn PROPERLY by covering the NOSE and MOUTH at all times. One reason why masking has not worked for us is that compliance of wearing masks properly is practically non existent.

This is what the CDC says about the effectiveness of Universal masking as source control.....

Science Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2 | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html)

Do you know how dystopian this sounds? Kids at school with their faces covered? Heck, you want everyone at school with their face covered! How can they learn properly like that? Much of learning at a young age is about communication, and communication is about facial expressions, whether it's smiles or frowns, and just showing emotion.

There's been many studies done all over the world that show masking children is not beneficial and they are not major spreaders of the virus nor are they seriously affected by it if they do get it. There is no logical reason for making kids wear masks all day long.

The bottom line is the vaccines don't work well so that's why we need the masks. If the the CDC would just come out and admit it instead of causing friction in our society by trying to blame the unvaccinated when it's the vaccines that are not working like they thought they would. I know so many people who are fully vaccinated and have gotten it, some worse than others. Who cares if it's the original Covid-19 or the Delta variant, it's still SARS-CV2, mutation or not.

[Love2Swim]

The bottom line is we have people who believe in science, and we have our share of people who believe any schmuck who posts their non-scientific opinion on the internet. There is no getting through to them. Those of us who grasp reality must do our best to encourage family and friends to be vaccinated, mask up properly, and act in the best interests of society. And vote for the candidates who embrace science.

[Malsua]

Is this graph accurate? Why should anyone believe this?

While I can't speak to the entire graph, Singapore had 807 new cases in the past 24 hours. This tracks with the graph. I don't know where that graph was made, but I do know that Singapore has been bouncing alone the baseline of near zero for some time.

The data can be found here:

Singapore - COVID-19 Overview - Johns Hopkins (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/singapore)

[Byte1]

It's a long way from mask mandates to "death camps"
That's like saying seat belt mandates lead to road tests every 6 months which leads to mandatory participation in a roadside chain gang:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Do you know why the courts upheld seat belt laws, even for a single person with no family driving alone and getting in a single car accident? It was because the cost of any excess injury that was incurred due to a lack of seat belt use would ultimately be shared by other people, whether Medicare, Medicaid, No-fault, or private insurance. Hence it was ruled constitutional and legal.

Not a big leap to conclude that mask mandates would be ultimately upheld under the same principle.

I see that you had a change of heart regarding masks. I believe you were the one that suggested or stated that masks were almost useless. Now you are advocating for mask mandates?

[Byte1]

I'm fully vaccinated and do not wear a mask anywhere unless it is required. Since I've been fully vaccinated, I can count on one hand the amount of times I have worn a mask. I've already said this, I believe but will repeat it to address your post specifically. My OP was to address school age children who can not be vaccinated and will be sitting in classrooms for in person learning.

I won't say something like "your post is stupid" because that would be disrespectful. However, I disagree with it totally.
You posted that you do not wear a mask because you are vaccinated. You also know that even vaccinated, there is a slight chance that you can become infected, even if you may not be hospitalized. Children have a very slim chance of being hospitalized if infected, probably less than someone vaccinated. You won't wear a mask but want to mandate an impossible practice on children.
Give it up because you are wrong for attempting to mandate something for someone else's children.

[Byte1]

Yes we read about their deaths every day………….

And we also read about the deaths of those wearing a seat belt. What's your point. It was their decision to not wear a seat belt and the gov should not decide otherwise. The gov should stay out of other folks' business. If you wish to suggest that other folks getting injured causes a raise in your health insurance, fine then someone should also put a stop to all of these FREE roof replacements that have caused my home owner's insurance to double.

[Byte1]

Children should never be the victim of their parents.

And yet women are killing their unwanted unborn all the time. It's their "right."

[Byte1]

You miss the entire point of Universal Masking. Hit and miss masking will not cut it. THIS is why masking has not worked for us here in the US. The compliance was non existent. If half the children wear masks, that will not be effective. Might as well have none of the kids wear a mask unless they are protective masks such as the N95 masks.

Remember........."your mask protects me and my mask protects you" That will not work is some parents do not make their child wear a mask. Masks should be MANDATED, no ifs ands or buts about it.

And yet, you admit that you do not wear a mask. Some folks would call that being a hypocrite.
And do not tell me that you can do that because you are vaccinated. Children seem to have just as much resistance to the virus as the vaccinated seniors.

[golfing eagles]

I see that you had a change of heart regarding masks. I believe you were the one that suggested or stated that masks were almost useless. Now you are advocating for mask mandates?

Not really. Based on a lot of data, I still believe masks are relatively useless except in a few settings. Outdoors----useless except in a rugby huddle:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:. Riding alone---useless. However, indoors when social distancing cannot be guaranteed around unvaccinated or immunocompromised people they will do some good.

School kids under 12 haven't been vaccinated, therefore I agree with masking when they are in the classroom or on the bus, even though the mortality rate in this group is low. I see no reason for a mask on the playground.

I generally hate "mandates" but in this case I can't see leaving a decision that affects the health of a whole school to individual parents who do not possess the expertise required. A local school board is no smarter either. That's why I advocate a state or national mandate for masks in school classrooms and busses for those under 12 until the children's version of the vaccines are approved. As far as parents who will refuse to have their kids vaccinated, place them in a "basket of deplorables" but congratulate them for enhancing the gene pool.

[rsmurano]

For the people that are scared of this whole Covid thing and they think you are going to die if you go outside, check this out from a leaked video conference of a meeting from a hospital:
https://mobile.twitter.com/NationalFile/status/1436466927703138308

[Byte1]

Not really. Based on a lot of data, I still believe masks are relatively useless except in a few settings. Outdoors----useless except in a rugby huddle:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:. Riding alone---useless. However, indoors when social distancing cannot be guaranteed around unvaccinated or immunocompromised people they will do some good.

School kids under 12 haven't been vaccinated, therefore I agree with masking when they are in the classroom or on the bus, even though the mortality rate in this group is low. I see no reason for a mask on the playground.

I generally hate "mandates" but in this case I can't see leaving a decision that affects the health of a whole school to individual parents who do not possess the expertise required. A local school board is no smarter either. That's why I advocate a state or national mandate for masks in school classrooms and busses for those under 12 until the children's version of the vaccines are approved. As far as parents who will refuse to have their kids vaccinated, place them in a "basket of deplorables" but congratulate them for enhancing the gene pool.

Didn't you say that using anything other than a N95 was basically useless? Not trying to argue, but it does seem that you have been very adamant about useless paper and cloth masks in the past.

[JMintzer]

Lower because of masks......indisputable.

Completely disputable...

[golfing eagles]

Didn't you say that using anything other than a N95 was basically useless? Not trying to argue, but it does seem that you have been very adamant about useless paper and cloth masks in the past.

I don't think so, I'm pretty sure I've been consistent in stating that their only use was indoors when social distancing could not be guaranteed. If not, my apologies

[JMintzer]

How about it-----you mean turn our best health care in the world into another European type crap socialist program where you die waiting for care???? No thanks.

Presactly!

[Byte1]

I'm sorry but I cannot agree with mandating masks for children as that would disenfranchise minorities just like voter ID.
Yes, that is me being facetious. Kind of hard to take this subject seriously when those that advocate such a preposterous idea have no skin in the game.
Someone mentioned raising taxes for the school system. I've seen that done in the past, as an example the lottery in which all the money was supposed to go to the school system. What actually happened is that very little money goes to schools and the rest goes to what the state decides to spend it on.

[Byte1]

I don't think so, I'm pretty sure I've been consistent in stating that their only use was indoors when social distancing could not be guaranteed. If not, my apologies

No apology warranted. Perhaps I misunderstood.

[Chase219]

No Interest

[mady101]

If your eyeglasses fog up when wearing a mask, you might be eligible for condensation.:1rotfl:

Now that’s funny.

[toeser]

"A mask mandate for children in school is necessary to slow the spread of this Covid virus."

That's all it will do, is slow it somewhat. Masks (I wear one) are for transitory contact. They help you in grocery stores, brief meetings, etc. They will do next to nothing to stop the spread when people are sitting a few feet from each other for hours per day five days a week. Some schools have even mandated masks for outdoor sports like track. There is ZERO science for requiring something so stupid.

Google "phycological effects of child masking" and read a few articles. Perhaps you will change your mind.

[lkagele]

As far as parents who will refuse to have their kids vaccinated, place them in a "basket of deplorables" but congratulate them for enhancing the gene pool.

You're kinda assuming that any child not getting a vaccine will die. I think a case could be made that children would be better off catching COVID rather than trying to protect them with a vaccine. They're not really at risk if they catch the disease. I've seen some reports claiming children are exposed to more risk of harm taking the vaccine vs catching the virus. Let them develop natural immunity which is infinitely better than the vaccines.

[golfing eagles]

You're kinda assuming that any child not getting a vaccine will die. I think a case could be made that children would be better off catching COVID rather than trying to protect them with a vaccine. They're not really at risk if they catch the disease. I've seen some reports claiming children are exposed to more risk of harm taking the vaccine vs catching the virus. Let them develop natural immunity which is infinitely better than the vaccines.

Not assuming that at all. I will assume that a vaccinated child is far less likely to die of COVID than one that is not vaccinated. While the mortality rate among children is low, they are at some degree of risk if they "catch the disease". As far as the "danger" of the vaccine---that's a bunch of hype from anti-vax groups with an agenda that is adverse to the common good and is completely unsubstantiated. And I don't know how much better natural immunity is vs. the vaccines, but I can guarantee it isn't "infinitely"

[Ben Franklin]

Gotta love the death culture. Yeah, parents know best. Is that why some leave them in cars?

Child COVID Cases Surge to 500k in Two Weeks as Pfizer Waits for Data on Vaccines for Kids (https://www.newsweek.com/child-covid-cases-surge-500k-two-weeks-pfizer-waits-data-vaccines-kids-1628733)

[Altavia]

Not really. Based on a lot of data, I still believe masks are relatively useless except in a few settings. Outdoors----useless except in a rugby huddle:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:. Riding alone---useless. However, indoors when social distancing cannot be guaranteed around unvaccinated or immunocompromised people they will do some good.

School kids under 12 haven't been vaccinated, therefore I agree with masking when they are in the classroom or on the bus, even though the mortality rate in this group is low. I see no reason for a mask on the playground. l.

Agree, if nothing else, a mask minimizes children putting their fingers up their noise or in their mouth.

[lkagele]

Not assuming that at all. I will assume that a vaccinated child is far less likely to die of COVID than one that is not vaccinated. While the mortality rate among children is low, they are at some degree of risk if they "catch the disease". As far as the "danger" of the vaccine---that's a bunch of hype from anti-vax groups with an agenda that is adverse to the common good and is completely unsubstantiated. And I don't know how much better natural immunity is vs. the vaccines, but I can guarantee it isn't "infinitely"

LOL. Well, maybe I was using its secondary meaning, "to a very great degree; immensely". Yes, probably not the best word to use.....

Not sure I agree about the hype. Myocarditis and pericarditis are well documented side effects in youngsters, especially males. I think there may even be warnings now on both Pfizer and Moderna.

I simply personally believe kids don't need the vaccine. The death rate was so low even before they became eligible for the vaccine, it doesn't make sense. Let them get the virus and develop immunity which is to a very great degree, immensely better than the vaccine. :icon_wink:

[coffeebean]

While I can't speak to the entire graph, Singapore had 807 new cases in the past 24 hours. This tracks with the graph. I don't know where that graph was made, but I do know that Singapore has been bouncing alone the baseline of near zero for some time.

The data can be found here:

Singapore - COVID-19 Overview - Johns Hopkins (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/singapore)
Thank you.

[coffeebean]

And yet, you admit that you do not wear a mask. Some folks would call that being a hypocrite.
And do not tell me that you can do that because you are vaccinated. Children seem to have just as much resistance to the virus as the vaccinated seniors.

Correct.....I have not worn a mask since I have been fully vaccinated and do not plan to do so anywhere unless it is required. I don't believe I am a hipocrite because I want UN-vaccinated children to mask up in the classroom. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

[coffeebean]

Not really. Based on a lot of data, I still believe masks are relatively useless except in a few settings. Outdoors----useless except in a rugby huddle:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:. Riding alone---useless. However, indoors when social distancing cannot be guaranteed around unvaccinated or immunocompromised people they will do some good.

School kids under 12 haven't been vaccinated, therefore I agree with masking when they are in the classroom or on the bus, even though the mortality rate in this group is low. I see no reason for a mask on the playground.

I generally hate "mandates" but in this case I can't see leaving a decision that affects the health of a whole school to individual parents who do not possess the expertise required. A local school board is no smarter either. That's why I advocate a state or national mandate for masks in school classrooms and busses for those under 12 until the children's version of the vaccines are approved. As far as parents who will refuse to have their kids vaccinated, place them in a "basket of deplorables" but congratulate them for enhancing the gene pool.
Thank you for your expert opinion. You have validated my stance and I thank you for that too.

[coffeebean]

Presactly!

May I borrow this word from you. I LOVE it!

[coffeebean]

"A mask mandate for children in school is necessary to slow the spread of this Covid virus."

That's all it will do, is slow it somewhat. Masks (I wear one) are for transitory contact. They help you in grocery stores, brief meetings, etc. They will do next to nothing to stop the spread when people are sitting a few feet from each other for hours per day five days a week. Some schools have even mandated masks for outdoor sports like track. There is ZERO science for requiring something so stupid.

Google "phycological effects of child masking" and read a few articles. Perhaps you will change your mind.

There are "psychological effects" when children are kept out of the classroom too. Masking is the lesser of two evils, IMHO. I'd rather see the children in the classroom, in person learning and interacting with others than see them schooled on a computer screen at home. These kids need to be social distanced in the classroom along with universal masking and that is the safest way to go.

[SkBlogW]

Not assuming that at all. I will assume that a vaccinated child is far less likely to die of COVID than one that is not vaccinated. While the mortality rate among children is low, they are at some degree of risk if they "catch the disease". As far as the "danger" of the vaccine---that's a bunch of hype from anti-vax groups with an agenda that is adverse to the common good and is completely unsubstantiated. And I don't know how much better natural immunity is vs. the vaccines, but I can guarantee it isn't "infinitely"

Bwaahahaha! In age group 0 to 17 there have been 439 covid deaths

In age group 0 to 17 there have been 4,465,332 confirmed covid cases. Because kids are asymptomatic at higher rates than adults CDC estimates 26,838,244 total cases in kids 0 to 17.

Lets do the math. Using confirmed cases (4,465,332) the chance of a kid dying from covid is 0.009%. Thats 9/100,000 as a fraction

Using CDC estimated number for total cases 0 to 17 (26,838,244) the chance of a kid dying from covid is 0.001%. That's 1/100,000 as a fraction.

Both of these calculations show a better chance of survival (by far) than a fully vaccinated adult.

Estimated COVID-19 Burden | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html)

What a ridiculous endeavor and waste it would be to vaccinate 74 million kids and make them sit in school with useless facemasks.

Every kid counts right? About 70,000 die every year, and we are going to inject all 74 million of them with a vaccine they clearly don't need.

What a laugh. :1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

Bwaahahaha! In age group 0 to 17 there have been 439 covid deaths

In age group 0 to 17 there have been 4,465,332 confirmed covid cases. Because kids are asymptomatic at higher rates than adults CDC estimates 26,838,244 total cases in kids 0 to 17.

Lets do the math. Using confirmed cases (4,465,332) the chance of a kid dying from covid is 0.009%. Thats 9/100,000 as a fraction

Using CDC estimated number for total cases 0 to 17 (26,838,244) the chance of a kid dying from covid is 0.001%. That's 1/100,000 as a fraction.

Both of these calculations show a better chance of survival (by far) than a fully vaccinated adult.

Estimated COVID-19 Burden | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html)

What a ridiculous endeavor and waste it would be to vaccinate 74 million kids and make them sit in school with useless facemasks.

Every kid counts right? About 70,000 die every year, and we are going to inject all 74 million of them with a vaccine they clearly don't need.

What a laugh. :1rotfl:

Off the top of my head, I can think of 439 parents that aren't laughing

[SkBlogW]

Off the top of my head, I can think of 439 parents that aren't laughing

I can think of 70,000 other parents that aren't laughing, but that's not relevant to a discussion of whether it is a rational health policy to vaccinate 74 million kids in a foolish attempt to lower chance of covid death from 1/100000 to 0/100000 when there are many other health problems that kill more kids every year.

"I will assume that a vaccinated child is far less likely to die of COVID than one that is not vaccinated"

Apparently someone was asleep in math class. Going from 1/100000 to 0/100000 is definitely not "far less likely"

It's 0.001% less likely.

[golfing eagles]

I can think of 70,000 other parents that aren't laughing, but that's not relevant to a discussion of whether it is a rational health policy to vaccinate 74 million kids in a foolish attempt to lower chance of covid death from 1/100000 to 0/100000 when there are many other health problems that kill more kids every year.

"I will assume that a vaccinated child is far less likely to die of COVID than one that is not vaccinated"

Apparently someone was asleep in math class. Going from 1/100000 to 0/100000 is definitely not "far less likely"

It's 0.001% less likely.

If we accept your numbers, which I need to check

[Gulfcoast]

Why should anyone in the Villages care about whether children are put in harm's way? Their kids are all grown.


Let the parents of today's schoolkids decide whether or not to teach their kids to look both ways before crossing the street. Let them decide whether or not to give their kids a shotgun for their 10th birthday, or let their 12-year-old take the golf cart for a spin when they visit. Let the parents of today's kids decide whether or not they should be inconvenienced by a mask so that they don't catch a deadly disease that they aren't eligible to vaccinate against yet.

Let them decide whether or not to let them play with fireworks in the back yard.

Let them decide whether or not to bring up irresponsible children who were never taught that common sense is a good thing to have, and that as members of civilization, they are expected to grow up to be civilized adults.

Y'all had your turn making those decisions for YOUR kids. If the generation failed, it's because you failed them. Now sit back and let them raise or kill their own children as they see fit.

My youngest just graduated from HS and I could not agree with you more OrangeBlossomBaby.

As a parent, I was happy to see schools reopen last year. I feel that the kids in Florida benefited greatly from having in class instruction, being able to participate in sports and other activities and simply being around their friends. When the mask requirement was lifted towards the end of the school year that was a good thing in my opinion - I have felt very fortunate to be living in Florida because I think Florida schools got it right. But this school year I no longer have a kid in school. Both of my kids are now young adults in college.

I think the parents of school children know what they are doing and no one loves their children as much as they do. Raising kids is hard enough without all of the contentiousness surrounding COVID. I'm glad that this is no longer my fight and I wish the parents of school children the best of luck going forward. I know that they've got this.

[coffeebean]

Bwaahahaha! In age group 0 to 17 there have been 439 covid deaths

In age group 0 to 17 there have been 4,465,332 confirmed covid cases. Because kids are asymptomatic at higher rates than adults CDC estimates 26,838,244 total cases in kids 0 to 17.

Lets do the math. Using confirmed cases (4,465,332) the chance of a kid dying from covid is 0.009%. Thats 9/100,000 as a fraction

Using CDC estimated number for total cases 0 to 17 (26,838,244) the chance of a kid dying from covid is 0.001%. That's 1/100,000 as a fraction.

Both of these calculations show a better chance of survival (by far) than a fully vaccinated adult.

Estimated COVID-19 Burden | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html)

What a ridiculous endeavor and waste it would be to vaccinate 74 million kids and make them sit in school with useless facemasks.

Every kid counts right? About 70,000 die every year, and we are going to inject all 74 million of them with a vaccine they clearly don't need.

What a laugh. :1rotfl:

This may be an unpopular opinion but here goes..........

OK, children may not "need" the vaccine to protect them but those children need to be vaccinated to contribute to a much needed herd immunity. Our country will never reach herd immunity without vaccinated children. There are adults who can not be vaccinated due to medical reasons and they need the protection of herd immunity.

[Swoop]

This may be an unpopular opinion but here goes..........

OK, children may not "need" the vaccine to protect them but those children need to be vaccinated to contribute to a much needed herd immunity. Our country will never reach herd immunity without vaccinated children. There are adults who can not be vaccinated due to medical reasons and they need the protection of herd immunity.
Finally someone has actually posted the real reason people are pushing to vaccinate kids, who are in no real danger from Covid. To save themselves! They would rather have a child, with an infinitesimal chance of dying from Covid, receive a vaccine with no data on the long term side effects, just to make themselves safer! I find that thinking to be totally abhorrent.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

"A mask mandate for children in school is necessary to slow the spread of this Covid virus."

That's all it will do, is slow it somewhat. Masks (I wear one) are for transitory contact. They help you in grocery stores, brief meetings, etc. They will do next to nothing to stop the spread when people are sitting a few feet from each other for hours per day five days a week. Some schools have even mandated masks for outdoor sports like track. There is ZERO science for requiring something so stupid.

Google "phycological effects of child masking" and read a few articles. Perhaps you will change your mind.

Not sure if you know this, but the one-room schoolhouse has been replaced. Nowadays, kids have to walk through hallways to get from one class to the other. In some schools, they have lockers all along the walls, where you might see 5-6 kids all standing shoulder-to-shoulder to try and get their books in and out, pick up their gym clothes, grab their lunch from the shelf, etc.

In addition, the desks are close enough within the classrooms that school-origin flu and cold is (and has always been) a thing. When one kid gets mono, the whole class gets mono. When one kid comes down with the flu, the whole class comes down with it.

That's because of a virus being passed through droplets from their nose and mouth, shooting through the air and landing either on someone's hand, or in their eyes, nose, mouth. A single sneeze while the kids stand up when the bell rings for the next class, can hit 1, 2, 3, even 4 kids who are all in the process of turning to reach for their books, or grab their sweater, or crowding near the doorway on the way out, etc. etc. etc.

One person needs to sneeze - that's all it takes. Just one person infected with COVID-19, with a little dust in their nose - to infect a few dozen kids out of a school full of them. And each of THOSE kids - has the potential to continue the spread once the infection gets into their system and becomes contagious.

Masking isn't guaranteed to keep every kid in school from getting sick. But it will REDUCE THE RISK. It reduces the risk, it's safe, it's inexpensive, and it's nothing more than a minor inconvenience MOSTLY to adults. Kids tend to be fine with the idea of masking, as long as their parents don't teach them that they should have a problem with it.

Teach your kids fear, and they'll be afraid. Teach them that this is just part of their school uniform, and they'll come up with inventive ways to comply. Maybe a "decorate your own mask" project at home, for the cloth masks with the paper filters inside them.

This isn't even an issue in some parts of the country. Kids just wear the masks, they don't make a fuss over it, it doesn't bother them in the least, it doesn't prevent them from learning, or socializing. It's no different to them from wearing gloves when it's cold outside.

[Escape Artist]

Not sure if you know this, but the one-room schoolhouse has been replaced. Nowadays, kids have to walk through hallways to get from one class to the other. In some schools, they have lockers all along the walls, where you might see 5-6 kids all standing shoulder-to-shoulder to try and get their books in and out, pick up their gym clothes, grab their lunch from the shelf, etc.

In addition, the desks are close enough within the classrooms that school-origin flu and cold is (and has always been) a thing. When one kid gets mono, the whole class gets mono. When one kid comes down with the flu, the whole class comes down with it.

That's because of a virus being passed through droplets from their nose and mouth, shooting through the air and landing either on someone's hand, or in their eyes, nose, mouth. A single sneeze while the kids stand up when the bell rings for the next class, can hit 1, 2, 3, even 4 kids who are all in the process of turning to reach for their books, or grab their sweater, or crowding near the doorway on the way out, etc. etc. etc.

One person needs to sneeze - that's all it takes. Just one person infected with COVID-19, with a little dust in their nose - to infect a few dozen kids out of a school full of them. And each of THOSE kids - has the potential to continue the spread once the infection gets into their system and becomes contagious.

Masking isn't guaranteed to keep every kid in school from getting sick. But it will REDUCE THE RISK. It reduces the risk, it's safe, it's inexpensive, and it's nothing more than a minor inconvenience MOSTLY to adults. Kids tend to be fine with the idea of masking, as long as their parents don't teach them that they should have a problem with it.

Teach your kids fear, and they'll be afraid. Teach them that this is just part of their school uniform, and they'll come up with inventive ways to comply. Maybe a "decorate your own mask" project at home, for the cloth masks with the paper filters inside them.

This isn't even an issue in some parts of the country. Kids just wear the masks, they don't make a fuss over it, it doesn't bother them in the least, it doesn't prevent them from learning, or socializing. It's no different to them from wearing gloves when it's cold outside.

I don't even like wearing a mask at the grocery store for an hour so I can't imagine having to wear one all day long. It's unnatural to have half your face covered! Don't you realize that? The harm it does to a child is far worse than possibly getting Covid or being a spreader.

Why not concentrate on masking the adults, teachers and administration, whether they're vaccinated or not? That's what everyone is really worried about, right? Not the kids, but that adults might get it and become ill or whatever it is so many people are cowering in fear over.

[Escape Artist]

Finally someone has actually posted the real reason people are pushing to vaccinate kids, who are in no real danger from Covid. To save themselves! They would rather have a child, with an infinitesimal chance of dying from Covid, receive a vaccine with no data on the long term side effects, just to make themselves safer! I find that thinking to be totally abhorrent.

Interestingly, when Swine Flu/H1N1(I think we all remember that) hit the U.S. in spring of 2009 it was mainly children who were affected. Adults had acquired some immunity through contracting similar viruses throughout their lifetime so if they got it it usually was mild. A vaccine wasn't available to the public until December 2009 but the majority of vaccinations took place the following year. It was classified as a worldwide pandemic, and Pres. Obama declared it a national emergency in the fall of 2009.

Even though children were at risk for illness, sometimes of a serious nature, only one school ever closed due to an outbreak, and at no time did the Obama administration, state officials/governments, or the CDC mandate that children wear masks at school even though their risk of exposure and infection was often high.

[drducat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRa6t_e7dgI

[John Mayes]

Finally someone has actually posted the real reason people are pushing to vaccinate kids, who are in no real danger from Covid. To save themselves! They would rather have a child, with an infinitesimal chance of dying from Covid, receive a vaccine with no data on the long term side effects, just to make themselves safer! I find that thinking to be totally abhorrent.

Bingo!! Hit the nail on the head.

[jswirs]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRa6t_e7dgI

Mask are more psychologically helpful than physically helpful.

For decades we have been told by the medical community that keeping your hands away from you face will minimize your chance of being infected. So now we have millions of people touching their face in the process of putting on a mask, adjusting a mask, removing a mask, which, in many cases that mask is worn improperly anyway.

If you are a healthy individual you have an IMMUNE system. That system is better than any injection, mask, booster you can conjure. If that statement were not true the human race would have become extinct thousands of years ago. All Covid statistics are exaggerated to fit some other agenda, and that agenda is not the welfare of us citizens. <IMO>

[Byte1]

Finally someone has actually posted the real reason people are pushing to vaccinate kids, who are in no real danger from Covid. To save themselves! They would rather have a child, with an infinitesimal chance of dying from Covid, receive a vaccine with no data on the long term side effects, just to make themselves safer! I find that thinking to be totally abhorrent.

BINGO!! :boom:

[Byte1]

IMO children are more vulnerable to the FLU than Covid, and yet NO ONE has suggested masks in schools in the past.

THIS IS ALL MASS HYSTERIA based on a snowball effect of an idea that has gotten larger and larger as it progresses. I have grandchildren in the public school system and college that have all had Covid and survived with little to no effect in their activities. Now you all are demanding that they wear masks? There was no vaccine for their parents at that time and they also caught Covid with little effect other than quarantine from work. Oh, to be honest with you one adult had a lingering cough that was also gone after a brief period. Out of all the folks I have known that have been infected (including two in their 80's) I have only known of two that passed away and they were both in the hospital for other serious illnesses. The ones in their '80s are still fine.
A mask mandate for children is cruel and will be a slippery slope to mandating masks for the FLU and colds, etc. Sorry, but until someone proves that it will save ALL lives, I am against the idea. If you want definite safety for your children, then keep them at home and never let them out in public. Do not let them travel in any type of transport and never let them outside to play. After all, they might get hit by a baseball or fall from a tree.
I respect the view of our resident doctors on here, but I also have my opinion.
The OP only proves a hypocritical opinion by ALWAYS saying they do not wear a mask and won't, but demanding someone else do it for their (OP'S) safety.
After doing a lot of my own reading, I am also NOW skeptical of the vaccination program for anyone other than seniors and those that might have medical issues. I have my vaccination, but was motivated by protecting my spouse. I have very little doubt that I would be bothered with any infection if I had not been vaccinated. But, I guess I will never know. Hopefully, I will not have any negative effects from the vaccination. If so, oh well.
Oh, and just a side note that might mean nothing to most, but I have been in physical contact with several Covid survivors and none of us were wearing masks. Yes, it was after I was vaccinated. It might mean nothing other than proving that I have not allowed Covid hysteria rule my life.

[Marine1974]

I’ll give you a reason why people in the Villages should worry about children, it’s
grandchildren.

[JMintzer]

Agree, if nothing else, a mask minimizes children putting their fingers up their noise or in their mouth.

It doesn't stop adults, why would you think it would stop children?

[SkBlogW]

This may be an unpopular opinion but here goes..........

OK, children may not "need" the vaccine to protect them but those children need to be vaccinated to contribute to a much needed herd immunity. Our country will never reach herd immunity without vaccinated children. There are adults who can not be vaccinated due to medical reasons and they need the protection of herd immunity.

LOL The kids don't need the vaccine to "contribute to a much needed herd immunity"

26 million of them have been infected, 439 have died.

Look, kids under 18 represent 22% of US population

Seniors over 65 represent 16% of US population

80% of seniors have been fully vaccinated.

According to CDC, 2331 fully vaccinated seniors over 65 have died from covid.

COVID-19 Breakthrough Case Investigations and Reporting | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html)

US population = 333 million

Seniors = 16% = 53 million x 80% vaccinated = 42 million fully vaccinated seniors
Kids under 18 = 22% = 73 million unvaccinated kids

So, 2331 over 65 fully vaccinated deaths = 0.005% death rate of vaccinated seniors

439 deaths kids under 18 = 0.0006% death rate of unvaccinated kids under 18

Diference between 0.005% vs 0.0006% death rates?

0.0006% kids die = 3 per 500,000 death rate
0.005% vaccinated seniors die = 1 per 20,000 death rate, or 25 per 500,000

So Fully vaccinated seniors are 8.5 times more likely to die from covid than unvaccinated kids.

Better to focus on booster shots for seniors than inject 74 million kids who are rapidly developing natural immunity that is better than vaccinated immunity.

[Bill14564]

LOL The kids don't need the vaccine to "contribute to a much needed herd immunity"

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Better to focus on booster shots for seniors than inject 74 million kids who are rapidly developing natural immunity that is better than vaccinated immunity.

That broad-brush statement has not been proven. There may be some examples where that seems to be the case but there are also some examples where death has preempted the development of natural immunity. Even when an individual survives Covid-19 it has not been proven how often, if ever, it is "better than vaccinated immunity." Studies are divided on the issue.

[JMintzer]

Teach your kids fear, and they'll be afraid.

Well, it's certainly worked on the adults...

Did you see the Bill Maher interview, where he talked about two er, "different" groups when asked what the risk of dying from covid was.

The actual risk is somewhere between 1-5%.

One group estimated the risk at 25-50%. The other group was much closer to reality...

He blamed the MSM for trying to "scare the sh!t out of everyone"...

I'll leave you to figure out which group was which...

[coffeebean]

Finally someone has actually posted the real reason people are pushing to vaccinate kids, who are in no real danger from Covid. To save themselves! They would rather have a child, with an infinitesimal chance of dying from Covid, receive a vaccine with no data on the long term side effects, just to make themselves safer! I find that thinking to be totally abhorrent.

You have that incorrect. I’m fully vaccinated and will get the booster when I’m eligible. Herd immunity will not benefit me as it would for people who can not be vaccinated. Sorry if I was not more clear about that.

[SkBlogW]

That broad-brush statement has not been proven. There may be some examples where that seems to be the case but there are also some examples where death has preempted the development of natural immunity. Even when an individual survives Covid-19 it has not been proven how often, if ever, it is "better than vaccinated immunity." Studies are divided on the issue.

Oh please. Are you seeing reports in the news about rising numbers of reinfections? Or are you seeing more reports about breakthrough cases? I already know the answer. The CDC stopped counting breakthrough cases. Why you ask? They are afraid that if the numbers are reported, it may cause more resistance to getting vaxed. But the truth always comes out.

They New York Times did some research on breakthrough rates in the states that actually keep good records of this. Here is what they found:

To better understand the rates of infection in fully vaccinated people, The Times collected data from seven states—California, Colorado, Massachusetts, Oregon, Utah, Vermont, and Virginia—selected for keeping particularly detailed records. Analysis showed that in six of the states, breakthrough infections made up 18 to 28 percent of all newly diagnosed cases of COVID-19 in the past several weeks. Results also found that fully vaccinated people made up 12 to 24 percent of all COVID-related hospitalizations, and while the number of deaths was too small to be considered significant, it is likely higher than the original Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates of .5 percent.

Early Data Hints at a Rise in Breakthrough Infections - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/17/health/covid-vaccinated-infections.html)

This Is How Common Breakthrough Infections Really Are, New Data Says (https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/common-breakthrough-infections-really-data-141410906.html)

The data from Israel, whose health department is far more transparent than our own, found the following.

Israeli Researchers:
Study: Natural immunity 'stronger, longer' than vaccine immunity
New Israeli study shows recovered patients tended to have better outcomes than vaccine alone - though vaccine can enhance natural immunity.

A new Israeli study on coronavirus immunity suggests that people who were previously infected with the virus benefit from significantly stronger and longer-lasting immunity than the immunity provided by vaccination alone.

The study, a retrospective observational study conducted by Maccabi Healthcare Services, Tel Aviv University, Ashdod University Hospital, compared Israelis from three groups: people who had received vaccine and were never infected (SARS-CoV-2 naïve), people who were previously infected and did not receive the vaccine, and people who were infected with SARS-CoV-2 and then vaccinated after recovering.

Researchers found that natural immunity is stronger and longer-lasting than vaccination, but also noted that a single-dose of vaccine likely can offer additional protection from the Delta Variant to those who recovered from SARS-CoV-2.


For the study, researchers analyzed anonymized Electronic Health Records, a database which covers records for 2.5 million people in Israeli, spanning March 1st 2020 to August 14th 2021.

The study grouped the subjects into categories based on vaccination status and previous infection, correcting for demographic factors including age, sex, location of residence, as well as the timing of infection or vaccination.

In the first analysis, which only compared natural immunity to vaccinated immunity among the SARS-CoV-2 naïve, two cohorts of 16,215 people each were studied, with equal representation of age, sex, location, and time of infection or vaccination.

This model showed 256 total cases of infection, 238 were ‘breakthrough infections’ of the vaccinated and COVID naive, while 19 were reinfections among the unvaccinated, previously infected group. Adjusting for comorbidities, vaccinated COVID-naïve people had 13 times greater risk for infection than did the previously infected.

Of 199 symptomatic cases, 191 were among the vaccinated, just 8 were among the previously infected. After adjusting for comorbidities, researchers found the vaccinated were 27 times more likely to suffer a symptomatic case of the virus in comparison to the risk previously infected people had of having symptomatic reinfection case.

A total of nine hospitalizations were reported, eight of them among the vaccinated COVID-naïve group, with one among the previously infected. No deaths were reported in either cohort.

Study: Natural immunity 'stronger, longer' than vaccine immunity - Israel National News (https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/312538)

[Tblue]

Finally someone has actually posted the real reason people are pushing to vaccinate kids, who are in no real danger from Covid. To save themselves! They would rather have a child, with an infinitesimal chance of dying from Covid, receive a vaccine with no data on the long term side effects, just to make themselves safer! I find that thinking to be totally abhorrent.

Exactly, well said! I would like to add maybe something to think about. Early on, before the vaccine we were told herd immunity was the way out of this mess. We were also told early on herd immunity to be something around 65%-70% of the population. With roughly 180 million fully vaccinated and very roughly over 110 million with natural immunity that is roughly around 89%. Of course there as some who fall into both categories.

[lkagele]

This may be an unpopular opinion but here goes..........

OK, children may not "need" the vaccine to protect them but those children need to be vaccinated to contribute to a much needed herd immunity. Our country will never reach herd immunity without vaccinated children. There are adults who can not be vaccinated due to medical reasons and they need the protection of herd immunity.

Don't agree. My granddaughter just came down with covid. Fully vaccinated less than 4 months ago. Lives in WA State which has in and outdoor mask mandate. She's doing fine, thanks, with sore throat and runny nose. Vaccine didn't give her protection or herd immunity. After she recovers, however, then she'll have both. Kids with compromised immunity should get the vaccine. The rest; no masks or vaccines. That's how we'll get to herd immunity.

[Escape Artist]

You have that incorrect. I’m fully vaccinated and will get the booster when I’m eligible. Herd immunity will not benefit me as it would for people who can not be vaccinated. Sorry if I was not more clear about that.

There can be no true herd immunity without a sterilizing vaccine. And you do not typically vaccinate the healthy portion of the population in the middle of a pandemic to achieve herd immunity. Or you can let the virus run its course unfettered with natural selection determining herd immunity.

[John Mayes]

When there are still people who feel "masks do nothing" then YES, YES, YES, YES, we need another mask thread. Masks most certainly help to mitigate the spread of this virus These kids need all the protection they can possibly get. And yet.....we have mask mandates that are prohibited in our state for school children in the classroom. That simple mitigation effort for these kids is absolutely necessary to keep them safer in the classroom.

As I have already said in my OP.......EVERYONE in the classroom must wear a mask for Universal Masking to be effective. Why is it that the people who should be up on this stuff are casting the science aside?

Universal masking is in effect for airline travel in this country. Why not protect our children in the same manner?

Universal masking means EVERYONE. Including those of us that have been vaccinated since breakthroughs are known to exist.

[DARFAP]

Masks are BS, stop the madness!

[Escape Artist]

Don't agree. My granddaughter just came down with covid. Fully vaccinated less than 4 months ago. Lives in WA State which has in and outdoor mask mandate. She's doing fine, thanks, with sore throat and runny nose. Vaccine didn't give her protection or herd immunity. After she recovers, however, then she'll have both. Kids with compromised immunity should get the vaccine. The rest; no masks or vaccines. That's how we'll get to herd immunity.

Thanks for sharing your family's story. I have a similar one. Two members of my family have been fully vaccinated since late March and got Covid first week in August, so about 4 months later. One just had bad cold symptoms, the other had to go into the hospital for a couple of days (had a compromised immune system).

As you wisely stated, natural immunity acquired from the virus will give you longer lasting immunity than the vaccine. I have a feeling it only lasts a couple of months at best. I'm fully vaccinated but I'm certainly not going to get mRNA boosters every few months. As you said it should only be given to those at high risk of complications because it doesn't prevent infection, you can still carry and shed it to others, and even those who have been vaccinated can still get it, so what's the point?

[John Mayes]

You have that incorrect. I’m fully vaccinated and will get the booster when I’m eligible. Herd immunity will not benefit me as it would for people who can not be vaccinated. Sorry if I was not more clear about that.

I did understand your post, that this response was aimed at, to target protecting those that are unable to get the vaccination but isn’t it paradoxical to suggest that schools require masking but those that have been vaccinated are exempt from those same mandates. Breakthroughs are happening with greater frequencies so vaccinated folks are just as capable of passing on the virus to the unvaccinated as school age kids.

[Escape Artist]

That broad-brush statement has not been proven. There may be some examples where that seems to be the case but there are also some examples where death has preempted the development of natural immunity. Even when an individual survives Covid-19 it has not been proven how often, if ever, it is "better than vaccinated immunity." Studies are divided on the issue.

So-called "immunity" from a vaccine, which really isn't a vaccine, is dubious. Maybe lasts 2 or 3 months? Whereas every virus we contract provides natural immunity lasting many months, if not longer. That's been proven through experiences with the flu and also the common cold, which are coronaviruses. They say you never get the same cold twice because you have immunity to it. However, there are hundreds of strains of the cold so we are bound to get one we haven't had yet. That's why as we get older, as compared to childhood, we get colds less frequently and also our immune systems are mature and stronger.

Who knows what multiple shots of mRNA will do to our immune systems? No one knows, not Fauci, not anyone. We can already see how little the "experts" know about the vaccine's long-term efficacy, let alone it's side effects.

[Topspinmo]

If your eyeglasses fog up when wearing a mask, you might be eligible for condensation.:1rotfl:

Don’t you mean reparations and eligible for handicapped sticker?:shocked:

[JMintzer]

As you wisely stated, natural immunity acquired from the virus will give you longer lasting immunity than the vaccine. I have a feeling it only lasts a couple of months at best.

I had Covid at the end of February 2020.

I had a recent blood test (last month) and was tested for natural antibodies. Still present and accounted for...

Thats 18 months and counting...

[SkBlogW]

I had Coved at the end of February 2020.

I had a recent blood test (last month) and was tested for natural antibodies. Still present and accounted for...

Thats 18 months and counting...

Yep, Israel data showed the same lasting durability.

[Swoop]

You have that incorrect. I’m fully vaccinated and will get the booster when I’m eligible. Herd immunity will not benefit me as it would for people who can not be vaccinated. Sorry if I was not more clear about that.
Those who can’t be vaccinated make up less than 1% of the US population (excluding children). You want to vaccinate 48 million children with a vaccine whose long term effects are unknown, in order to protect less than 1% of the population?!?

[Byte1]

You have that incorrect. I’m fully vaccinated and will get the booster when I’m eligible. Herd immunity will not benefit me as it would for people who can not be vaccinated. Sorry if I was not more clear about that.

So, let me see if I understand this correctly. You get vaccinated and you still have a higher probability of being infected and even dying than an un-vaccinated child, yet they must wear a mask and you do not feel the need to wear a mask.

There is almost the same chance of a child being adversely affected by the vaccine as them becoming infected. But, I guarantee that the feds will mandate vaccinations for the children before long.

[Number 10 GI]

How about common sense for a change! If you think it's harmful to wear a mask then keep the kids home. This argument about masks is just nuts. Last years cold and flew season was a non event. Doesn't that tell you masks do some good? The Delta version was not around last year. It's something of a new ball game for those who would talk about last school year.

The real reason the flu season was a non event last year was because of kids being at home and not in school rooms, many people quarantined at home, stores and restaurants closed or take out only, and many people laid off from work staying at home.

[Number 10 GI]

Obviously we NEED it and WANT it. Until CV is gone, masking and vaccinations will be a PRIME subject because CV IS a prime PROBLEM. No one will die if their golf car is NOT repaired by the best mechanic.

Covid is not going to go away. We have to get a flu shot every year to protect us from viruses that have been around for decades. Eventually a vaccine will be developed for Covid that we will have to get every year just like we do for the typical flu viruses.