Ignoring the Law

[PennBF]

It is a given that laws passed that are unrealistic will be ignored. This is the case in some speed limits in the Villages. This was highlighted to me when we drove by the entrance to the Bridgeport at Laurel Manor village. There is a speed limit posted at 5MPH? I wonder how many if any actually pay attention to it since most cars will not even slow to 5mph and I suspect this is also true to some Golf Carts? I wonder how many limits in The Villages are like this? When it happens people tend to ignore additional laws?:ho:

[Two Bills]

It is a given that laws passed that are unrealistic will be ignored. This is the case in some speed limits in the Villages. This was highlighted to me when we drove by the entrance to the Bridgeport at Laurel Manor village. There is a speed limit posted at 5MPH? I wonder how many if any actually pay attention to it since most cars will not even slow to 5mph and I suspect this is also true to some Golf Carts? I wonder how many limits in The Villages are like this? When it happens people tend to ignore additional laws?:ho:

All road signs/speed limits in TV are treated as 'advisory.'

[Taltarzac725]

They usually get obeyed when there is a police cruiser nearby unless it is parked with no one in it. Except if the person is too blind to see that no one is in it and is still driving. Then maybe the somewhat visually challenged driver actually slows down.

[billethkid]

One conclusion?
Enforcement works!

[Mortal1]

Unrealistic. Hmmm....seems more like an opinion without knowing the facts behind the setting of a speed limit. Just because a majority don't follow an ordinance doesn't mean it isn't reasonable. It does, in fact, mean that many people who break that limit don't care.

Also posting one example is in no way reflecting the necessity of speed limits. If the person who posted this originally were to dig deeper and find out why the 5mph speed exists perhaps they'd have a better understanding make a post based on fact in lieu of opinion. I doubt they will do that...

[jdulej]

They usually get obeyed when there is a police cruiser nearby unless it is parked with no one in it. Except if the person is too blind to see that no one is in it and is still driving. Then maybe the somewhat visually challenged driver actually slows down.

Weeds growing up over the tires is the usual give-away. I will say that the first time I zoomed by one of those my first thought was "Oh s...t!"

[graciegirl]

There is no pee in Lake Sumter.

Laurel Manor is a rec center.

Laurel Valley is a small village of 54 homes.

The race car driver moved out of our Village.

It must have worked.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

It is a given that laws passed that are unrealistic will be ignored. This is the case in some speed limits in the Villages. This was highlighted to me when we drove by the entrance to the Bridgeport at Laurel Manor village. There is a speed limit posted at 5MPH? I wonder how many if any actually pay attention to it since most cars will not even slow to 5mph and I suspect this is also true to some Golf Carts? I wonder how many limits in The Villages are like this? When it happens people tend to ignore additional laws?:ho: breaking the speed limit is a gateway crime which makes it easier to go on to more serious crime . I read this on the internet , so it must be true

[GrumpyOldMan]

There is no pee in Lake Sumter.
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That sounds very painful for the people living there - LOL!

(sorry couldn't resist)

[GrumpyOldMan]

breaking the speed limit is a gateway crime which makes it easier to go on to more serious crime . I read this on the internet , so it must be true

Gateway crime is a catchy phrase, but, is true.

The reality is once a habit is developed, it is easier to incorporate additional similar behaviors and make them habits. And it snowballs.

Motivational speakers have known this for decades. Repeatedly committing a crime makes it a habit, the same as repeated walking, or feeding the poor, etc, etc.

It doesn't matter if the behavior is positive or negative, repeating it will lead to it becoming a habit.

[Stu from NYC]

breaking the speed limit is a gateway crime which makes it easier to go on to more serious crime . I read this on the internet , so it must be true

Banks better beware especially with people still wearing masks.:icon_wink:

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Gateway crime is a catchy phrase, but, is true.

The reality is once a habit is developed, it is easier to incorporate additional similar behaviors and make them habits. And it snowballs.

Motivational speakers have known this for decades. Repeatedly committing a crime makes it a habit, the same as repeated walking, or feeding the poor, etc, etc.

It doesn't matter if the behavior is positive or negative, repeating it will lead to it becoming a habit.
Gee people you can’t be serious

[GrumpyOldMan]

Gee people you can’t be serious

If you are speaking to me, I am completely serious, and will gladly provide links to numerous studies - if you are interested.

[golfing eagles]

Weeds growing up over the tires is the usual give-away. I will say that the first time I zoomed by one of those my first thought was "Oh s...t!"

5 mph? What a joke. My convertible idles faster than that in drive. At least make it 8 so I don't have to ride the brake through that area.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

If you are speaking to me, I am completely serious, and will gladly provide links to numerous studies - if you are interested.. OMG speeding to a life of crime . That’s why this site is so much fun , You can’t make this stuff up anywhere else and I absolutely won’t look or contribute to this thread again lol

[justjim]

Gateway crime is a catchy phrase, but, is true.

The reality is once a habit is developed, it is easier to incorporate additional similar behaviors and make them habits. And it snowballs.

Motivational speakers have known this for decades. Repeatedly committing a crime makes it a habit, the same as repeated walking, or feeding the poor, etc, etc.

It doesn't matter if the behavior is positive or negative, repeating it will lead to it becoming a habit.

Many moons ago in a college course that I took the same was said about human behavior. Generally speaking you are spot on. Good behaviors breeds good behavior and bad behavior breeds bad behavior. Nothing complicated at all and makes common sense. Behavior can be changed but that can be complicated and difficult.

[mikebama]

It is a given that laws passed that are unrealistic will be ignored. This is the case in some speed limits in the Villages. This was highlighted to me when we drove by the entrance to the Bridgeport at Laurel Manor village. There is a speed limit posted at 5MPH? I wonder how many if any actually pay attention to it since most cars will not even slow to 5mph and I suspect this is also true to some Golf Carts? I wonder how many limits in The Villages are like this? When it happens people tend to ignore additional laws?:ho:
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[GrumpyOldMan]

Many moons ago in a college course that I took the same was said about human behavior. Generally speaking you are spot on. Good behaviors breeds good behavior and bad behavior breeds bad behavior. Nothing complicated at all and makes common sense. Behavior can be changed but that can be complicated and difficult.

Thank you

[Ben Franklin]

Isn't it the era of "personal choice"?

[frose]

No speed limits are observed in this place. Everyone is in a hurry to get someplace. Slow down. You won’t believe how bad an accident looks in a golf cart.

[PennBF]

Are there this many people in the Village's that are reasoning and understanding challenged. There may 4 or 5 respondents who understood the question while the others could not gather up enough reasoning powers to be able to understand it and answer the very basics of the question? The simple question is "do unrealistic laws cause a general disrespect for the law which results in more violations"? Come on now, there is no harm in saying I don't understand the question and going to a more simple one and working on it.:popcorn:

[Blueblaze]

Half the reason there is so little respect for the law in general in 2021 is because we had an absurd 55mph national speed limit that nobody obeyed for the last quarter of the 20th century. We literally trained the population to ignore the law unless a cop was watching.

That 5 mph limit in a residential area is no more absurd than the 35 mph limit we have on four-lane divided parkways with limited access and no golf carts, like Morse, Bueno Vista, and El Camino, or the 45mph limit on long stretches of 466 and 466a. The most dangerous people on those roads are the ones who obstruct traffic by following the absurd speed limit.

My 30 mile Houston commute was less hectic than getting from Mulberry to Everglades! It would be nice if we didn't make it so difficult to enjoy ALL of the amenities we pay for, instead of just the ones we can reach by golf cart.

[jdulej]

Half the reason there is so little respect for the law in general in 2021 is because we had an absurd 55mph national speed limit that nobody obeyed for the last quarter of the 20th century. We literally trained the population to ignore the law unless a cop was watching.

That 5 mph limit in a residential area is no more absurd than the 35 mph limit we have on four-lane divided parkways with limited access and no golf carts, like Morse, Bueno Vista, and El Camino, or the 45mph limit on long stretches of 466 and 466a. The most dangerous people on those roads are the ones who obstruct traffic by following the absurd speed limit.

My 30 mile Houston commute was less hectic than getting from Mulberry to Everglades! It would be nice if we didn't make it so difficult to enjoy ALL of the amenities we pay for, instead of just the ones we can reach by golf cart.

Towards the end of the 55mph era, I commuted about 35 miles via freeway into Sacramento (I left home a 3:30 am so no traffic to speak of). At the time, I drove a Toyota Tundra pickup with a wonderful 4.7 liter v8. I decided to test the mileage, so one day (the test was more complicated, this is a summary) I went the usual 70mph (by then no one was keeping to 55) and one day I stuck to 55 (not easy, took a lot of will power) The truck managed 16mpg at 70 and got 23mpg at 55. The time diff was 5 or 6 minutes. I think that over time I would have saved a lot of $ on gas and the time difference did not amount to much. I was surprised at the big difference, and I guess the point of the 55 was to try to save on fuel during the gas shortage. All that said, I sure don't want to go back to 55. Better to get an electric car!

[graciegirl]

It is a given that laws passed that are unrealistic will be ignored. This is the case in some speed limits in the Villages. This was highlighted to me when we drove by the entrance to the Bridgeport at Laurel Manor village. There is a speed limit posted at 5MPH? I wonder how many if any actually pay attention to it since most cars will not even slow to 5mph and I suspect this is also true to some Golf Carts? I wonder how many limits in The Villages are like this? When it happens people tend to ignore additional laws?:ho:

Is this posted at the entry way, before the gate? We only have 54 houses in Laurel Valley. Two streets and a circle. Each street has only four houses on each side.

[Velvet]

There is no pee in Lake Sumter.

Laurel Manor is a rec center.

Laurel Valley is a small village of 54 homes.

The race car driver moved out of our Village.

It must have worked.

I had to laugh at this post. Anyone who thinks that a retirement community looks like a race track…. LOL

[PennBF]

I don't understand the statement that said we only have 54 houses and two streets and a circle and 4 houses on each street and yes the sign is at the gate. How does that relate to what the speed is in the specific village? As I read the statement it has no relevant data regarding the speed limits on these streets? The layout of that specific village is interesting but the response is an example of understanding and staying on the subject.:popcorn:

[coralway]

It is a given that laws passed that are unrealistic will be ignored. This is the case in some speed limits in the Villages. This was highlighted to me when we drove by the entrance to the Bridgeport at Laurel Manor village. There is a speed limit posted at 5MPH? I wonder how many if any actually pay attention to it since most cars will not even slow to 5mph and I suspect this is also true to some Golf Carts? I wonder how many limits in The Villages are like this? When it happens people tend to ignore additional laws?:ho:






Villagers are free and sovereign citizens. Observing speed limits or stop signs impinges on their constitutional rights.

Law don't work around here (sorry, I am watching Tombstone).

[DAVES]

It is a given that laws passed that are unrealistic will be ignored. This is the case in some speed limits in the Villages. This was highlighted to me when we drove by the entrance to the Bridgeport at Laurel Manor village. There is a speed limit posted at 5MPH? I wonder how many if any actually pay attention to it since most cars will not even slow to 5mph and I suspect this is also true to some Golf Carts? I wonder how many limits in The Villages are like this? When it happens people tend to ignore additional laws?:ho:

It is not just the Villages, the entire world is like that. Auto laws. I at one time had the laws from New York for your car. It was many years ago and I don't recall much. I do recall you can get a ticket for a pebble chip in your windshield. I do recall it is illegal to leave your car in the same parking spot for 24 hours. Usually there is some common sense.

Speeding ticket on a golf cart. Imagine a court hearing. Your honor I found the golf cart was traveling at an illegal 21 mph. The golf cart owner. I have an engineers drawing and a wind speed chart for the time of the ticket. My cart is properly set to do the LEGAL 20 mph due to the wind and a 1% grade in the road, my cart possibly hit the 21 mph even though it is set to do 20.

[DAVES]

One conclusion?
Enforcement works!

I find it amusing. Sort of third grade logic. They caught me, they don't catch everyone so I do not owe the penalty.

[graciegirl]

I don't understand the statement that said we only have 54 houses and two streets and a circle and 4 houses on each street and yes the sign is at the gate. How does that relate to what the speed is in the specific village? As I read the statement it has no relevant data regarding the speed limits on these streets? The layout of that specific village is interesting but the response is an example of understanding and staying on the subject.:popcorn:

Mr. Penn. Have you driven around our little village? There is hardly space to get up to much speed, was the point I was making. We did have a person who drove a little fast but she moved. (That was the reference to the race car driver) Most of us who live here are rule followers, in fact, I'd say that all of us who live here are rule followers. We have a very nice bunch of folks living at Bridgeport at Laurel Valley.

We do have folks who come in to look around and see what kind of place this is where the buffalo used to roam. They don't usually go fast either. We call them "Looky-Loo's".

[Dana1963]

I don't understand the statement that said we only have 54 houses and two streets and a circle and 4 houses on each street and yes the sign is at the gate. How does that relate to what the speed is in the specific village? As I read the statement it has no relevant data regarding the speed limits on these streets? The layout of that specific village is interesting but the response is an example of understanding and staying on the subject.:popcorn:
Bingo! Most answers are irrelevant on most posts.

[midiwiz]

It is a given that laws passed that are unrealistic will be ignored. This is the case in some speed limits in the Villages. This was highlighted to me when we drove by the entrance to the Bridgeport at Laurel Manor village. There is a speed limit posted at 5MPH? I wonder how many if any actually pay attention to it since most cars will not even slow to 5mph and I suspect this is also true to some Golf Carts? I wonder how many limits in The Villages are like this? When it happens people tend to ignore additional laws?:ho:

First thing - when I was head of a HOA over on Florida's east coast someone wanted our speed limit dropped from 25 to 20, county told us that was illegal and that 25 was the minimum we could post (and we were private and gated)

However there is this from Florida State -

Standard Florida speed limit laws:
20 mph: school zones
30 mph: urban district or street
55 mph: all roads and highways unless otherwise posted
60 mph: two-lane sections of highways and freeways
70 mph: freeways, interstate highways, and other roads if posted

Keeping in mind T.V. is not a gated community, it's a community with gates (due to gold carts)

[PennBF]

The one note describing a Village for recognition purpose is still not answering the question if a car or cart could maintain a 5mph speed regardless of what I am sure is in a very nice village. As the saying goes I can ask the question but I can't help you answer it. :popcorn:

[Road-Runner]

There was a school of thought regarding speed limits going back to the 70's and 80's when speed traps were the norm in small towns outside Atlanta. The towns would set speed limits unreasonably low to increase the numbers of speeders they could ticket and the fines they could charge due to the larger differences. We lived nearby one of the worst in the state, Stockbridge, GA. The feds came in to do a traffic study and one of the methods they used was that 60% (or so, can't remember the exact number) of observed drivers would drive a safe speed on any road regardless of the posted sign. So they determined a lot of the major streets the town had posted 25 and 35 MPH, should instead be 45 MPH and on the outskirts of town 55 MPH based on the percentage of people already driving those speeds. Generally speaking, people didn't speed up with the new signs with higher limits, but the towns revenue went way down! The governor eventually disbanded the town's police force for a while because they still were abusing drivers especially those from out of county, but the town eventually got their PD back a few years later.