The 7 Stages of Covid

[Boomer]

I have never done a cut-and-paste from a published article, but that's the only way I could do this. Unlike other cut-and-pastes I have seen that often do not cite the source, I will do so. . .

This is what is known to research as a primary source. Primary sources are defined as first-hand accounts of a topic by people who had a connection with it.

The following article was published in the Op-Ed section of the LA Times, August 26, 2021. The writer is Karen Gallardo, a respiratory therapist at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.

(In spite of the disagreements we Villagers can have sometimes on TOTV, I think most of us have sense enough to have been vaccinated. We duly vaccinated, older and (sometimes) wiser, people do not seem to be the age-group that welcomed Covid back to another rampant run.

I have boomer friends who cannot get their adult children to be vaccinated -- not to protect their own children, not to protect themselves, and not to protect their "old" parents. Family dynamics for some are getting downright weird. . .but. . .I digress.)

Here's the article. Read it and weep.

Boomer



Op-Ed: On the front lines, here’s what the seven stages of severe COVID-19 look like


I’m a respiratory therapist. With the fourth wave of the pandemic in full swing, fueled by the highly contagious Delta variant, the trajectory of the patients I see, from admission to critical care, is all too familiar. When they’re vaccinated, their COVID-19 infections most likely end after Stage 1. If only that were the case for everyone.

Get vaccinated. If you choose not to, here’s what to expect if you are hospitalized for a serious case of COVID-19.


Stage 1. You’ve had debilitating symptoms for a few days, but now it is so hard to breathe that you come to the emergency room. Your oxygen saturation level tells us you need help, a supplemental flow of 1 to 4 liters of oxygen per minute. We admit you and start you on antivirals, steroids, anticoagulants or monoclonal antibodies. You’ll spend several days in the hospital feeling run-down, but if we can wean you off the oxygen, you’ll get discharged. You survive.

Stage 2. It becomes harder and harder for you to breathe. “Like drowning,” many patients describe the feeling. The bronchodilator treatments we give you provide little relief. Your oxygen requirements increase significantly, from 4 liters to 15 liters to 40 liters per minute. Little things, like relieving yourself or sitting up in bed, become too difficult for you to do on your own. Your oxygen saturation rapidly declines when you move about. We transfer you to the intensive care unit.

Stage 3. You’re exhausted from hyperventilating to satisfy your body’s demand for air. We put you on noninvasive, “positive pressure” ventilation — a big, bulky face mask that must be Velcro’d tightly around your face so the machine can efficiently push pressure into your lungs to pop them open so you get enough of the oxygen it delivers.

Stage 4. Your breathing becomes even more labored. We can tell you’re severely fatigued. An arterial blood draw confirms that the oxygen content in your blood is critically low. We prepare to intubate you. If you’re able to and if there’s time, we will suggest that you call your loved ones. This might be the last time they’ll hear your voice.
We connect you to a ventilator. You are sedated and paralyzed, fed through a feeding tube, hooked to a Foley catheter and a rectal tube. We turn your limp body regularly, so you don’t develop pressure ulcers — bed sores. We bathe you and keep you clean. We flip you onto your stomach to allow for better oxygenation. We will try experimental therapeutics.

Stage 5. Some patients survive Stage 4. Unfortunately, your oxygen levels and overall condition have not improved after several days on the ventilator. Your COVID-infested lungs need assistance and time to heal, something that an ECMO machine, which bypasses your lungs and oxygenates your blood, can provide. But alas, our community hospital doesn’t have that capability.

If you’re stable enough, you will get transferred to another hospital for that therapy. Otherwise, we’ll continue treating you as best we can. We’re understaffed and overwhelmed, but we’ll always give you the best care we can.

Stage 6. The pressure required to open your lungs is so high that air can leak into your chest cavity, so we insert tubes to clear it out. Your kidneys fail to filter the byproducts from the drugs we continuously give you. Despite diuretics, your entire body swells from fluid retention, and you require dialysis to help with your renal function.

The long hospital stay and your depressed immune system make you susceptible to infections. A chest X-ray shows fluid accumulating in your lung sacs. A blood clot may show up, too. We can’t prevent these complications at this point; we treat them as they present.

If your blood pressure drops critically, we will administer vasopressors to bring it up, but your heart may stop anyway. After several rounds of CPR, we’ll get your pulse and circulation back. But soon, your family will need to make a difficult decision.

Stage 7: After several meetings with the palliative care team, your family decides to withdraw care. We extubate you, turning off the breathing machinery. We set up a final FaceTime call with your loved ones. As we work in your room, we hear crying and loving goodbyes. We cry, too, and we hold your hand until your last natural breath.

I’ve been at this for 17 months now. It doesn’t get easier. My pandemic stories rarely end well.

Karen Gallardo is a respiratory therapist at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.
________________________________________

[Velvet]

Boomer, my daughter considers the vaccine a “medical procedure”. She would rather leave the country if mandatory vaccinations, than get vaccinated. Both of her parents taught at university and she also attended. Both of her parents are even ready for the booster so it is not our example. I have learned to respect her choice … with a broken heart. I pray and hope I never have to face the day when she will say to me, “Mom, I’ve tested positive”. If you have any words of wisdom for me, I am really listening.

[John Mayes]

Boomer, my daughter considers the vaccine a “medical procedure”. She would rather leave the country if mandatory vaccinations, than get vaccinated. Both of her parents taught university and she also attended. Both of her parents are even ready for the booster so it is not our example. I have learned to respect her choice … with a broken heart. I pray and hope I never have to face the day when she will say to me, “Mom, I’ve tested positive”. If you have any words of wisdom for me, I am really listening.

Only my opinion…..you should respect her choice, (as I’m sure you would), the same as in other decisions she may make regarding her body.

[Nucky]

Boomer, my daughter considers the vaccine a “medical procedure”. She would rather leave the country if mandatory vaccinations, than get vaccinated. Both of her parents taught at university and she also attended. Both of her parents are even ready for the booster so it is not our example. I have learned to respect her choice … with a broken heart. I pray and hope I never have to face the day when she will say to me, “Mom, I’ve tested positive”. If you have any words of wisdom for me, I am really listening.

We have friends that have one child with a brand new baby and she witnessed firsthand the struggles that people experienced in the hospital and still no dice. Once they are of age what can you do?

We decided to be supportive. In this case, it's like fighting city hall. We've seen others try to convince her. Hoping for the best for those who can't see the other path....who knows, they may be correct, but I doubt it.

[manaboutown]

One of my long time close friends has a daughter who is a physician at UCLA treating Covid cases. Her daughter is furious at the unvaccinated who are overwhelming the hospital. Today I got my Pfizer booster shot!

[Nucky]

One of my long time close friends has a daughter who is a physician at UCLA treating Covid cases. Her daughter is furious at the unvaccinated who are overwhelming the hospital. Today I got my Pfizer booster shot!

Good for you manaboutown. Say it loud and proud. I got my Moderna Booster about two weeks ago.

We still mask up when we feel it's appropriate. I don't give a rats NOTHING about what anyone thinks about it either.

I don't judge them for their decisions. I just judge my immediate family but only with my wife.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Good for you manaboutown. Say it loud and proud. I goy my Moderna Booster about two weeks ago.

We still mask up when we feel it's appropriate. I don't give a rats NOTHING about what anyone thinks about it either.

I don't judge them for their decisions. I just judge my immediate family but only with my wife.

VA called and told me to come in last week for my booster. Needless to say, I did.

[manaboutown]

Another longtime friend has a daughter who is an MD professor at Harvard. She performs surgeries at Mass General. I have heard so many Covid horror stories from her, including amputations. Brrr. My barber is down to 1/2 a kidney due to Covid. Two people I knew, 29 and 30 years of age, unvaccinated, died over the last week, probably from the delta variant. The 30 year old was a woman with three children under five years of age. Tragic...

[graciegirl]

I have never done a cut-and-paste from a published article, but that's the only way I could do this. Unlike other cut-and-pastes I have seen that often do not cite the source, I will do so. . .

This is what is known to research as a primary source. Primary sources are defined as first-hand accounts of a topic by people who had a connection with it.

The following article was published in the Op-Ed section of the LA Times, August 26, 2021. The writer is Karen Gallardo, a respiratory therapist at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.

(In spite of the disagreements we Villagers can have sometimes on TOTV, I think most of us have sense enough to have been vaccinated. We duly vaccinated, older and (sometimes) wiser, people do not seem to be the age-group that welcomed Covid back to another rampant run.

I have boomer friends who cannot get their adult children to be vaccinated -- not to protect their own children, not to protect themselves, and not to protect their "old" parents. Family dynamics for some are getting downright weird. . .but. . .I digress.)

Here's the article. Read it and weep.

Boomer



Op-Ed: On the front lines, here’s what the seven stages of severe COVID-19 look like


I’m a respiratory therapist. With the fourth wave of the pandemic in full swing, fueled by the highly contagious Delta variant, the trajectory of the patients I see, from admission to critical care, is all too familiar. When they’re vaccinated, their COVID-19 infections most likely end after Stage 1. If only that were the case for everyone.

Get vaccinated. If you choose not to, here’s what to expect if you are hospitalized for a serious case of COVID-19.


Stage 1. You’ve had debilitating symptoms for a few days, but now it is so hard to breathe that you come to the emergency room. Your oxygen saturation level tells us you need help, a supplemental flow of 1 to 4 liters of oxygen per minute. We admit you and start you on antivirals, steroids, anticoagulants or monoclonal antibodies. You’ll spend several days in the hospital feeling run-down, but if we can wean you off the oxygen, you’ll get discharged. You survive.

Stage 2. It becomes harder and harder for you to breathe. “Like drowning,” many patients describe the feeling. The bronchodilator treatments we give you provide little relief. Your oxygen requirements increase significantly, from 4 liters to 15 liters to 40 liters per minute. Little things, like relieving yourself or sitting up in bed, become too difficult for you to do on your own. Your oxygen saturation rapidly declines when you move about. We transfer you to the intensive care unit.

Stage 3. You’re exhausted from hyperventilating to satisfy your body’s demand for air. We put you on noninvasive, “positive pressure” ventilation — a big, bulky face mask that must be Velcro’d tightly around your face so the machine can efficiently push pressure into your lungs to pop them open so you get enough of the oxygen it delivers.

Stage 4. Your breathing becomes even more labored. We can tell you’re severely fatigued. An arterial blood draw confirms that the oxygen content in your blood is critically low. We prepare to intubate you. If you’re able to and if there’s time, we will suggest that you call your loved ones. This might be the last time they’ll hear your voice.
We connect you to a ventilator. You are sedated and paralyzed, fed through a feeding tube, hooked to a Foley catheter and a rectal tube. We turn your limp body regularly, so you don’t develop pressure ulcers — bed sores. We bathe you and keep you clean. We flip you onto your stomach to allow for better oxygenation. We will try experimental therapeutics.

Stage 5. Some patients survive Stage 4. Unfortunately, your oxygen levels and overall condition have not improved after several days on the ventilator. Your COVID-infested lungs need assistance and time to heal, something that an ECMO machine, which bypasses your lungs and oxygenates your blood, can provide. But alas, our community hospital doesn’t have that capability.

If you’re stable enough, you will get transferred to another hospital for that therapy. Otherwise, we’ll continue treating you as best we can. We’re understaffed and overwhelmed, but we’ll always give you the best care we can.

Stage 6. The pressure required to open your lungs is so high that air can leak into your chest cavity, so we insert tubes to clear it out. Your kidneys fail to filter the byproducts from the drugs we continuously give you. Despite diuretics, your entire body swells from fluid retention, and you require dialysis to help with your renal function.

The long hospital stay and your depressed immune system make you susceptible to infections. A chest X-ray shows fluid accumulating in your lung sacs. A blood clot may show up, too. We can’t prevent these complications at this point; we treat them as they present.

If your blood pressure drops critically, we will administer vasopressors to bring it up, but your heart may stop anyway. After several rounds of CPR, we’ll get your pulse and circulation back. But soon, your family will need to make a difficult decision.

Stage 7: After several meetings with the palliative care team, your family decides to withdraw care. We extubate you, turning off the breathing machinery. We set up a final FaceTime call with your loved ones. As we work in your room, we hear crying and loving goodbyes. We cry, too, and we hold your hand until your last natural breath.

I’ve been at this for 17 months now. It doesn’t get easier. My pandemic stories rarely end well.

Karen Gallardo is a respiratory therapist at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.
________________________________________

I applaud you for this post. It needs to be said and heard.

It is the truth and worse I have known a husband and wife, married for almost sixty years that died like this and without each other or their beloved children present. They were from Cincinnati and I taught their granddaughter and knew their daughter well too. They died just about a year ago, a week apart.

I can only think of someone that we love dearly going though this and we are unable to be present.

[Singerlady]

If that article isn’t enough to get the vaccine, I don’t know what is. Scary stuff.

[maggie1]

Absolutely fabulous post! Thank you, Boomer.

[Two Bills]

Wife and I are booked for our boosters next week.
I cannot understand how anyone who is able, and has no medical reason not to, does not get vaccinated if the OP is the alternative.

[silver.bullet]

Thanks Boomer!

[thevillages2013]

Most unvaccinated people who get Covid do not go to the hospital and recover just fine. No one wants to hear that though

[askcarl]

Being as a Booster shot has only been recommended just last week and not Approved by either FDA or CDC, response from both coming sometime this week, just what is this "Booster" shot you've taken?

Interesting.

Carl

[Bill14564]

Being as a Booster shot has only been recommended just last week and not Approved by either FDA or CDC, response from both coming sometime this week, just what is this "Booster" shot you've taken?

Interesting.

Carl

Booster shots (third shots) of Pfizer and Moderna for certain immunocompromised individuals were authorized a few weeks ago.

Booster shots of Pfizer for 65 and older and probably some critical care workers are likely to be authorized soon.

[MidWestIA]

I kept hearing we all got the vaccine here do not worry. I got a landscaping guy and his employee local white around 30 told me he didn't believe in it so his wife and kid didn't either. Then gave me some urban legend passed on story that they knew someone that got vaccinated and was in the hospital with covid for 72 days.

They are by you around here and places you go to or who you bring over.

"Pfizer's shot lowered the risk of hospitalization by 91% in the first four months after it was administered. Protection went down to 77% after four months."

[Eg_cruz]

I have never done a cut-and-paste from a published article, but that's the only way I could do this. Unlike other cut-and-pastes I have seen that often do not cite the source, I will do so. . .

This is what is known to research as a primary source. Primary sources are defined as first-hand accounts of a topic by people who had a connection with it.

The following article was published in the Op-Ed section of the LA Times, August 26, 2021. The writer is Karen Gallardo, a respiratory therapist at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.

(In spite of the disagreements we Villagers can have sometimes on TOTV, I think most of us have sense enough to have been vaccinated. We duly vaccinated, older and (sometimes) wiser, people do not seem to be the age-group that welcomed Covid back to another rampant run.

I have boomer friends who cannot get their adult children to be vaccinated -- not to protect their own children, not to protect themselves, and not to protect their "old" parents. Family dynamics for some are getting downright weird. . .but. . .I digress.)

Here's the article. Read it and weep.

Boomer



Op-Ed: On the front lines, here’s what the seven stages of severe COVID-19 look like


I’m a respiratory therapist. With the fourth wave of the pandemic in full swing, fueled by the highly contagious Delta variant, the trajectory of the patients I see, from admission to critical care, is all too familiar. When they’re vaccinated, their COVID-19 infections most likely end after Stage 1. If only that were the case for everyone.

Get vaccinated. If you choose not to, here’s what to expect if you are hospitalized for a serious case of COVID-19.


Stage 1. You’ve had debilitating symptoms for a few days, but now it is so hard to breathe that you come to the emergency room. Your oxygen saturation level tells us you need help, a supplemental flow of 1 to 4 liters of oxygen per minute. We admit you and start you on antivirals, steroids, anticoagulants or monoclonal antibodies. You’ll spend several days in the hospital feeling run-down, but if we can wean you off the oxygen, you’ll get discharged. You survive.

Stage 2. It becomes harder and harder for you to breathe. “Like drowning,” many patients describe the feeling. The bronchodilator treatments we give you provide little relief. Your oxygen requirements increase significantly, from 4 liters to 15 liters to 40 liters per minute. Little things, like relieving yourself or sitting up in bed, become too difficult for you to do on your own. Your oxygen saturation rapidly declines when you move about. We transfer you to the intensive care unit.

Stage 3. You’re exhausted from hyperventilating to satisfy your body’s demand for air. We put you on noninvasive, “positive pressure” ventilation — a big, bulky face mask that must be Velcro’d tightly around your face so the machine can efficiently push pressure into your lungs to pop them open so you get enough of the oxygen it delivers.

Stage 4. Your breathing becomes even more labored. We can tell you’re severely fatigued. An arterial blood draw confirms that the oxygen content in your blood is critically low. We prepare to intubate you. If you’re able to and if there’s time, we will suggest that you call your loved ones. This might be the last time they’ll hear your voice.
We connect you to a ventilator. You are sedated and paralyzed, fed through a feeding tube, hooked to a Foley catheter and a rectal tube. We turn your limp body regularly, so you don’t develop pressure ulcers — bed sores. We bathe you and keep you clean. We flip you onto your stomach to allow for better oxygenation. We will try experimental therapeutics.

Stage 5. Some patients survive Stage 4. Unfortunately, your oxygen levels and overall condition have not improved after several days on the ventilator. Your COVID-infested lungs need assistance and time to heal, something that an ECMO machine, which bypasses your lungs and oxygenates your blood, can provide. But alas, our community hospital doesn’t have that capability.

If you’re stable enough, you will get transferred to another hospital for that therapy. Otherwise, we’ll continue treating you as best we can. We’re understaffed and overwhelmed, but we’ll always give you the best care we can.

Stage 6. The pressure required to open your lungs is so high that air can leak into your chest cavity, so we insert tubes to clear it out. Your kidneys fail to filter the byproducts from the drugs we continuously give you. Despite diuretics, your entire body swells from fluid retention, and you require dialysis to help with your renal function.

The long hospital stay and your depressed immune system make you susceptible to infections. A chest X-ray shows fluid accumulating in your lung sacs. A blood clot may show up, too. We can’t prevent these complications at this point; we treat them as they present.

If your blood pressure drops critically, we will administer vasopressors to bring it up, but your heart may stop anyway. After several rounds of CPR, we’ll get your pulse and circulation back. But soon, your family will need to make a difficult decision.

Stage 7: After several meetings with the palliative care team, your family decides to withdraw care. We extubate you, turning off the breathing machinery. We set up a final FaceTime call with your loved ones. As we work in your room, we hear crying and loving goodbyes. We cry, too, and we hold your hand until your last natural breath.

I’ve been at this for 17 months now. It doesn’t get easier. My pandemic stories rarely end well.

Karen Gallardo is a respiratory therapist at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.
________________________________________
OR…… BECAUSE WE LIVE IN FL…..YOU CAN HAVE THESE STAGES OF COVID

Stage 1: out of nowhere your hit with a headache, fever and a burning cough
Stage 2: you take a home Covid test……it’s positive……
Stage 3: you go online and register for monoclonal antibodies treatment at Barn Storm….you get in that day
Stage 4: you choose between IV or 4 shots…..if you have symptoms go for the IV it works faster
Stage 5: you go home call your doctor for a phone apt, your doctor orders a ZPac and prednisone
Stage 6: you stay home for 10 days, take your medicine, get rest, drink tons of water and take a short walk every day
Stage 7: on day 11 you feel good you may still have a small cough but all and all the monoclonal did it’s job.
Stage 8: now you have Natural immunity not a leaky shot immunity, the chances of get Covid again are very very slim……unlike all the breakthrough cases

No I don’t wish Covid on anyone but there are ways to walk through this without getting really sick. FYI the infusion is for anyone vax and non-vax a like.

I am so over everyone trying to push their beliefs on others and if you think that vax people don’t get really sick and even die you are sadly missed informed

This vax vs non-vax is worse then the election……..stop the hate and just do YOU

[Newvilla]

I have never done a cut-and-paste from a published article, but that's the only way I could do this. Unlike other cut-and-pastes I have seen that often do not cite the source, I will do so. . .

This is what is known to research as a primary source. Primary sources are defined as first-hand accounts of a topic by people who had a connection with it.

The following article was published in the Op-Ed section of the LA Times, August 26, 2021. The writer is Karen Gallardo, a respiratory therapist at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.

(In spite of the disagreements we Villagers can have sometimes on TOTV, I think most of us have sense enough to have been vaccinated. We duly vaccinated, older and (sometimes) wiser, people do not seem to be the age-group that welcomed Covid back to another rampant run.

I have boomer friends who cannot get their adult children to be vaccinated -- not to protect their own children, not to protect themselves, and not to protect their "old" parents. Family dynamics for some are getting downright weird. . .but. . .I digress.)

Here's the article. Read it and weep.

Boomer



Op-Ed: On the front lines, here’s what the seven stages of severe COVID-19 look like


I’m a respiratory therapist. With the fourth wave of the pandemic in full swing, fueled by the highly contagious Delta variant, the trajectory of the patients I see, from admission to critical care, is all too familiar. When they’re vaccinated, their COVID-19 infections most likely end after Stage 1. If only that were the case for everyone.

Get vaccinated. If you choose not to, here’s what to expect if you are hospitalized for a serious case of COVID-19.


Stage 1. You’ve had debilitating symptoms for a few days, but now it is so hard to breathe that you come to the emergency room. Your oxygen saturation level tells us you need help, a supplemental flow of 1 to 4 liters of oxygen per minute. We admit you and start you on antivirals, steroids, anticoagulants or monoclonal antibodies. You’ll spend several days in the hospital feeling run-down, but if we can wean you off the oxygen, you’ll get discharged. You survive.

Stage 2. It becomes harder and harder for you to breathe. “Like drowning,” many patients describe the feeling. The bronchodilator treatments we give you provide little relief. Your oxygen requirements increase significantly, from 4 liters to 15 liters to 40 liters per minute. Little things, like relieving yourself or sitting up in bed, become too difficult for you to do on your own. Your oxygen saturation rapidly declines when you move about. We transfer you to the intensive care unit.

Stage 3. You’re exhausted from hyperventilating to satisfy your body’s demand for air. We put you on noninvasive, “positive pressure” ventilation — a big, bulky face mask that must be Velcro’d tightly around your face so the machine can efficiently push pressure into your lungs to pop them open so you get enough of the oxygen it delivers.

Stage 4. Your breathing becomes even more labored. We can tell you’re severely fatigued. An arterial blood draw confirms that the oxygen content in your blood is critically low. We prepare to intubate you. If you’re able to and if there’s time, we will suggest that you call your loved ones. This might be the last time they’ll hear your voice.
We connect you to a ventilator. You are sedated and paralyzed, fed through a feeding tube, hooked to a Foley catheter and a rectal tube. We turn your limp body regularly, so you don’t develop pressure ulcers — bed sores. We bathe you and keep you clean. We flip you onto your stomach to allow for better oxygenation. We will try experimental therapeutics.

Stage 5. Some patients survive Stage 4. Unfortunately, your oxygen levels and overall condition have not improved after several days on the ventilator. Your COVID-infested lungs need assistance and time to heal, something that an ECMO machine, which bypasses your lungs and oxygenates your blood, can provide. But alas, our community hospital doesn’t have that capability.

If you’re stable enough, you will get transferred to another hospital for that therapy. Otherwise, we’ll continue treating you as best we can. We’re understaffed and overwhelmed, but we’ll always give you the best care we can.

Stage 6. The pressure required to open your lungs is so high that air can leak into your chest cavity, so we insert tubes to clear it out. Your kidneys fail to filter the byproducts from the drugs we continuously give you. Despite diuretics, your entire body swells from fluid retention, and you require dialysis to help with your renal function.

The long hospital stay and your depressed immune system make you susceptible to infections. A chest X-ray shows fluid accumulating in your lung sacs. A blood clot may show up, too. We can’t prevent these complications at this point; we treat them as they present.

If your blood pressure drops critically, we will administer vasopressors to bring it up, but your heart may stop anyway. After several rounds of CPR, we’ll get your pulse and circulation back. But soon, your family will need to make a difficult decision.

Stage 7: After several meetings with the palliative care team, your family decides to withdraw care. We extubate you, turning off the breathing machinery. We set up a final FaceTime call with your loved ones. As we work in your room, we hear crying and loving goodbyes. We cry, too, and we hold your hand until your last natural breath.

I’ve been at this for 17 months now. It doesn’t get easier. My pandemic stories rarely end well.

Karen Gallardo is a respiratory therapist at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.
________________________________________
I stopped reading about halfway through it. Unbearably sad. Thank you to health care workers who work with Covid patients. What she describes has occurred more than 600,000 times in the United States.

[merrymini]

I have known several people who got the virus and were unvaccinated. All recovered with no long term effects. The shots do help with symptoms but you can get it anyway. A very small percentage die, mostly people with physical issues, obesity, aged related issues. Over 98 percent recover! These stories always being to mind the people who sell their house in two hours. Yes, it can happen but usually doesn’t.

[Girlcopper]

Being as a Booster shot has only been recommended just last week and not Approved by either FDA or CDC, response from both coming sometime this week, just what is this "Booster" shot you've taken?

Interesting.

Carl
The vaccines werent fda approved either when they first came out. Yes, the booster is available. Im scheduled in a couple of days

[paulajr]

And…there are those…like every single person I know personally, who get cold like symptoms, plus some loss of taste and smell, and get better and move on. I hate posts like this that try to instill fear. You are probably the ones I see driving in your carts wearing a mask. 🙄

[lkagele]

Boomer, my daughter considers the vaccine a “medical procedure”. She would rather leave the country if mandatory vaccinations, than get vaccinated. Both of her parents taught at university and she also attended. Both of her parents are even ready for the booster so it is not our example. I have learned to respect her choice … with a broken heart. I pray and hope I never have to face the day when she will say to me, “Mom, I’ve tested positive”. If you have any words of wisdom for me, I am really listening.

Tell her to immediately get the Regeneron and she'll be fine.

[Andyb]

Your opinion does not mean you are right. Different strokes for different folks. Will you cast the first stone?

[Ptmckiou]

Most unvaccinated people who get Covid do not go to the hospital and recover just fine. No one wants to hear that though

Yes…..and that’s called “Russian Roulette “. Feeling lucky?

[drducat]

Tell her to immediately get the Regeneron and she'll be fine.

Regeneron......monoclonal antibody treatment!!:clap2::clap2::clap2:

[drducat]

Yes…..and that’s called “Russian Roulette “. Feeling lucky?

And a shot of what not is "Not Russian Roulette"??

[Petersweeney]

Most unvaccinated people who get Covid do not go to the hospital and recover just fine. No one wants to hear that though

Absolutely correct……99.95%

[Ptmckiou]

And a shot of what not is "Not Russian Roulette"??

Science and odds are on the vaccinated side. Millions of shots throughout the entire world and has proven to be 91% effective. Unvaxed gives you 0% effectiveness and you are gambling that your immune system can handle it, with the help of available medications. I’ll take the better odds, of available medications and the vaccine….proven better effective.

[lkagele]

Yes…..and that’s called “Russian Roulette “. Feeling lucky?

Sure. I am. Good therapeutic medicine out there that's safe.

Two neighbors, overweight, not in particularly good health and in their 70's just came down with COVID. They and their wives took the Regeneron treatment and all are just fine.

I'm over 65. No booster for me.

[Bill14564]

Most unvaccinated people who get Covid do not go to the hospital and recover just fine. No one wants to hear that though

Absolutely correct……99.95%

When a little over 1% of Covid cases result in death, it is impossible that only 0.05% of cases result in hospitalization.

[coffeebean]

Most unvaccinated people who get Covid do not go to the hospital and recover just fine. No one wants to hear that though

They key word is “most”. Anyone, unvaccinated, who is willing to play Russian Roulette with their health is not thinking clearly, sorry to say.

Getting my Moderna booster in a couple of days.

[coffeebean]

Being as a Booster shot has only been recommended just last week and not Approved by either FDA or CDC, response from both coming sometime this week, just what is this "Booster" shot you've taken?

Interesting.

Carl

My understanding is the booster shot is the same exact vaccine formula and the same exact dose of the original vaccine. I really wish the manufacturers would develop a vaccine that specifically targets all the variants that the virus has mutated so far, including Delta. Having said that, I will take what is being offered now.

[coffeebean]

Booster shots (third shots) of Pfizer and Moderna for certain immunocompromised individuals were authorized a few weeks ago.

Booster shots of Pfizer for 65 and older and probably some critical care workers are likely to be authorized soon.

Are you referring to FULL FDA approval for Pfizer booster shots?

[sallyg]

Thanks for posting.

[Bob.Betty]

A person can go to a number of articles, opinions, doctors, etc. etc. and find the information to support their own opinions. My wife and I (both boomers) do not (and will not) get flu shots, shingles shots, covid shot, or any other shot offered to us. We have both had covid and amazingly enough survived to tell about it. In fact I personally know many people including family members and friends who have had it....NONE of them died. A person must do what is right for them, you are exposed to many harmful things everyday.
Stay clear of the golf cart paths if you don't want to get run over.

[coffeebean]

Regeneron......monoclonal antibody treatment!!:clap2::clap2::clap2:

I’m all for the Regeneron treatment for anyone who qualifies for it. It is a wonderful thing that there is a treatment that works for Covid.

Does this Regeneron treatment have FULL FDA APPROVAL like the Pfizer vaccine does? Just wondering.

[coffeebean]

And a shot of what not is "Not Russian Roulette"??

The vaccines are the opposite of playing Russian Roulette. The vaccines SAVE lives, not kill ya.

[graciegirl]

I have known several people who got the virus and were unvaccinated. All recovered with no long term effects. The shots do help with symptoms but you can get it anyway. A very small percentage die, mostly people with physical issues, obesity, aged related issues. Over 98 percent recover! These stories always being to mind the people who sell their house in two hours. Yes, it can happen but usually doesn’t.

Most of us have people that we love, and then people that we really like. At our age that group is easily one hundred people if you count friends in your neighborhood, golf friends, and people married to people we see a lot.

Out of those hundred people, three will die from Covid. Three real people.

We have lived in our small Village of 52 houses for eleven years. It is separate from the others with swamp land and a busy road. Most of the homes have two people living in them and some have one. We gathered frequently at the mail drop to socialize or at Laurel Manor before the pandemic. We stop and chat when we see people out walking. In eleven years you really get to know your neighbors pretty well especially when everyone is retired. Our Village numbers less than a hundred people. One of our neighbors died of Covid.

Overall three percent of Americans have died from Covid, that is including all ages, but when you group older people alone, the number doubles.

It is a horrible death that can be prevented. Please get both shots. People love you.

[MrZero]

Sure. I am. Good therapeutic medicine out there that's safe.

Two neighbors, overweight, not in particularly good health and in their 70's just came down with COVID. They and their wives took the Regeneron treatment and all are just fine.

I'm over 65. No booster for me.

I, for one, am glad there are options. I'm vaxed, but would never insist anyone else get vaxed. It just rubs me the wrong way. Get the jab if you want or use the therapeutics if needed. But life needs to go on. Otherwise, what's the point?

[zendog3]

You forgot Stage 8. They release you from the hospital with a bill for $50,000 for your long stay in the hospital. But get ready, Stage 9 is coming, years of long Covid.

[Blueblaze]

I you think death by Covid is gruesome, you should see death by Cancer!

Odds of dying from Covid 19: 1 in 914

Odds of dying from cancer: 1 in 533

How come we don't post cancer panic-porn on this site for old folks, where nearly everyone is already vaccinated and immune to Covid, but at high risk for cancer, for which there is no vaccine?

I see people smoking in the Villages all the time. Shouldn't we be hounding them relentlessly to quit smoking? Think of all the black lung pictures we could post and endlessly comment on! We could have a "7 stages of dying from lung cancer" thread that would make Covid look like a bout of hay fever!

[Wyseguy]

Boomer, my daughter considers the vaccine a “medical procedure”. She would rather leave the country if mandatory vaccinations, than get vaccinated. Both of her parents taught at university and she also attended. Both of her parents are even ready for the booster so it is not our example. I have learned to respect her choice … with a broken heart. I pray and hope I never have to face the day when she will say to me, “Mom, I’ve tested positive”. If you have any words of wisdom for me, I am really listening.

You should respect her decision. It is easy for the "older" population to say let's take this rushed vaccine. Younger generation have many many (God willing) years ahead of them.

[La lamy]

My understanding is the booster shot is the same exact vaccine formula and the same exact dose of the original vaccine. I really wish the manufacturers would develop a vaccine that specifically targets all the variants that the virus has mutated so far, including Delta. Having said that, I will take what is being offered now.

On the show 60 Minutes a couple weeks ago there was a great interview about the Pentagon project which aims to save soldiers from all types of foreign viruses. Here's a quote from the interview which can be found on line in its w=entirety:

"Dr. Modjarrad says in five years a single vaccine could defeat all coronaviruses: that means many common colds, the deadly strain causing this pandemic and thousands of others.

Bill Whitaker: Is that at this point-- a dream?

Dr. Kayvon Modjarrad: This is not science fiction, this is science fact. We have the tools, we have the technology, to do this all right now.

Bill Whitaker: And you think we can, at some point, inoculate the world against these killer viruses.

Dr. Kayvon Modjarrad: Killer viruses that we haven't seen or even imagined, we'll be protected against."

Pretty incredible stuff!!! :bigbow:

[Cheiro]

Only my opinion…..you should respect her choice, (as I’m sure you would), the same as in other decisions she may make regarding her body.

This is not a circumstance to respect a choice where such a choice is a-clear-and-present-danger to everyone else.
The unvaccinated are responsible for the recent outbreak of the disease, it is their fault that the deaths have now exceeded the US deaths of the 1918 flu (675,000) and now stands at 680,000 (48,000 in Florida). The vaccine is not a choice it is the responsible thing to do.

[Wyseguy]

One of my long time close friends has a daughter who is a physician at UCLA treating Covid cases. Her daughter is furious at the unvaccinated who are overwhelming the hospital. Today I got my Pfizer booster shot!

If it makes her/him a bit less frustrated, they should read the study that shows "Covid Hospitalizations are overstated by 50%. If someone goes to ICU with burst appendix, they get tested for covid. If positive they are counted as a covid patient.

[rrb48310]

Most unvaccinated people who get Covid do not go to the hospital and recover just fine. No one wants to hear that though

That is what both my son say, it is disappointing that two highly educated young people would “take a chance” when a safe effective vaccine is available.

What is even more unfathomable to me is we have people that would take a horse worm medication (no human trials) over a proven safe and effective vaccine.

You just can’t fix stupid, IMHO.

[graciegirl]

I you think death by Covid is gruesome, you should see death by Cancer!

Odds of dying from Covid 19: 1 in 914

Odds of dying from cancer: 1 in 533

How come we don't post cancer panic-porn on this site for old folks, where nearly https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/members/list/everyone is already vaccinated and immune to Covid, but at high risk for cancer, for which there is no vaccine?

I see people smoking in the Villages all the time. Shouldn't we be hounding them relentlessly to quit smoking? Think of all the black lung pictures we could post and endlessly comment on! We could have a "7 stages of dying from lung cancer" thread that would make Covid look like a bout of hay fever!

There is only one vaccine at this time that is available to prevent one kind of Cancer and it is widely given to young teens.


Covid can be prevented or made less deadly. Get vaccinated. Don't die like this or lose someone you love.

[drstevens]

I have never done a cut-and-paste from a published article, but that's the only way I could do this. Unlike other cut-and-pastes I have seen that often do not cite the source, I will do so. . .

This is what is known to research as a primary source. Primary sources are defined as first-hand accounts of a topic by people who had a connection with it.

The following article was published in the Op-Ed section of the LA Times, August 26, 2021. The writer is Karen Gallardo, a respiratory therapist at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.

(In spite of the disagreements we Villagers can have sometimes on TOTV, I think most of us have sense enough to have been vaccinated. We duly vaccinated, older and (sometimes) wiser, people do not seem to be the age-group that welcomed Covid back to another rampant run.

I have boomer friends who cannot get their adult children to be vaccinated -- not to protect their own children, not to protect themselves, and not to protect their "old" parents. Family dynamics for some are getting downright weird. . .but. . .I digress.)

Here's the article. Read it and weep.

Boomer



Op-Ed: On the front lines, here’s what the seven stages of severe COVID-19 look like


I’m a respiratory therapist. With the fourth wave of the pandemic in full swing, fueled by the highly contagious Delta variant, the trajectory of the patients I see, from admission to critical care, is all too familiar. When they’re vaccinated, their COVID-19 infections most likely end after Stage 1. If only that were the case for everyone.

Get vaccinated. If you choose not to, here’s what to expect if you are hospitalized for a serious case of COVID-19.


Stage 1. You’ve had debilitating symptoms for a few days, but now it is so hard to breathe that you come to the emergency room. Your oxygen saturation level tells us you need help, a supplemental flow of 1 to 4 liters of oxygen per minute. We admit you and start you on antivirals, steroids, anticoagulants or monoclonal antibodies. You’ll spend several days in the hospital feeling run-down, but if we can wean you off the oxygen, you’ll get discharged. You survive.

Stage 2. It becomes harder and harder for you to breathe. “Like drowning,” many patients describe the feeling. The bronchodilator treatments we give you provide little relief. Your oxygen requirements increase significantly, from 4 liters to 15 liters to 40 liters per minute. Little things, like relieving yourself or sitting up in bed, become too difficult for you to do on your own. Your oxygen saturation rapidly declines when you move about. We transfer you to the intensive care unit.

Stage 3. You’re exhausted from hyperventilating to satisfy your body’s demand for air. We put you on noninvasive, “positive pressure” ventilation — a big, bulky face mask that must be Velcro’d tightly around your face so the machine can efficiently push pressure into your lungs to pop them open so you get enough of the oxygen it delivers.

Stage 4. Your breathing becomes even more labored. We can tell you’re severely fatigued. An arterial blood draw confirms that the oxygen content in your blood is critically low. We prepare to intubate you. If you’re able to and if there’s time, we will suggest that you call your loved ones. This might be the last time they’ll hear your voice.
We connect you to a ventilator. You are sedated and paralyzed, fed through a feeding tube, hooked to a Foley catheter and a rectal tube. We turn your limp body regularly, so you don’t develop pressure ulcers — bed sores. We bathe you and keep you clean. We flip you onto your stomach to allow for better oxygenation. We will try experimental therapeutics.

Stage 5. Some patients survive Stage 4. Unfortunately, your oxygen levels and overall condition have not improved after several days on the ventilator. Your COVID-infested lungs need assistance and time to heal, something that an ECMO machine, which bypasses your lungs and oxygenates your blood, can provide. But alas, our community hospital doesn’t have that capability.

If you’re stable enough, you will get transferred to another hospital for that therapy. Otherwise, we’ll continue treating you as best we can. We’re understaffed and overwhelmed, but we’ll always give you the best care we can.

Stage 6. The pressure required to open your lungs is so high that air can leak into your chest cavity, so we insert tubes to clear it out. Your kidneys fail to filter the byproducts from the drugs we continuously give you. Despite diuretics, your entire body swells from fluid retention, and you require dialysis to help with your renal function.

The long hospital stay and your depressed immune system make you susceptible to infections. A chest X-ray shows fluid accumulating in your lung sacs. A blood clot may show up, too. We can’t prevent these complications at this point; we treat them as they present.

If your blood pressure drops critically, we will administer vasopressors to bring it up, but your heart may stop anyway. After several rounds of CPR, we’ll get your pulse and circulation back. But soon, your family will need to make a difficult decision.

Stage 7: After several meetings with the palliative care team, your family decides to withdraw care. We extubate you, turning off the breathing machinery. We set up a final FaceTime call with your loved ones. As we work in your room, we hear crying and loving goodbyes. We cry, too, and we hold your hand until your last natural breath.

I’ve been at this for 17 months now. It doesn’t get easier. My pandemic stories rarely end well.

Karen Gallardo is a respiratory therapist at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.
________________________________________

Thanks for the info. I skipped most of the stages: only had a two hour fever of 100.4 and a runny nose. I was tested Thursday and after nine months I still have the antibodies (Natural immunity) and no covid19. Told not to get the vaccine while I have the antibodies, which are superior, as it could enhance the side effects of the vaccine by a factor of four.

[Villages Kahuna]

I knew COVID was bad, just from reports of a couple of friends who never got beyond Stage 2. But this level of description can’t be described as anything but terrifying. Every person refusing vaccination or trying to convince others to decline the vaccine should be forced to read this. Thank you for posting it.

My wife and I are both vaccinated, me with the third Pfizer shot, my wife scheduled for her third later this week. We still stay away from large crowds, socially distance, and wear masks indoors when with others. Dying as described in this article isn’t anything we want to make possible—for us or others.

[rrb48310]

I have known several people who got the virus and were unvaccinated. All recovered with no long term effects. The shots do help with symptoms but you can get it anyway. A very small percentage die, mostly people with physical issues, obesity, aged related issues. Over 98 percent recover! These stories always being to mind the people who sell their house in two hours. Yes, it can happen but usually doesn’t.

Ok, BUT have you heard of anyone who had Covid say I’m glad I didn’t get the shot?

I personally know of friends and acquaintances that were “non-vaccers “ that got Covid were hospitalized and recovered that now are posting on social media to get vaccinated.

Why take the chance

I agree with a fellow poster, it’s about protecting one another (not political) and our economy. Matthew 25 looking out for your fellow man (woman and CHILDREN).

[Notsocrates]

I have never done a cut-and-paste from a published article, but that's the only way I could do this. Unlike other cut-and-pastes I have seen that often do not cite the source, I will do so. . .

This is what is known to research as a primary source. Primary sources are defined as first-hand accounts of a topic by people who had a connection with it.

The following article was published in the Op-Ed section of the LA Times, August 26, 2021. The writer is Karen Gallardo, a respiratory therapist at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.

(In spite of the disagreements we Villagers can have sometimes on TOTV, I think most of us have sense enough to have been vaccinated. We duly vaccinated, older and (sometimes) wiser, people do not seem to be the age-group that welcomed Covid back to another rampant run.

I have boomer friends who cannot get their adult children to be vaccinated -- not to protect their own children, not to protect themselves, and not to protect their "old" parents. Family dynamics for some are getting downright weird. . .but. . .I digress.)

Here's the article. Read it and weep.

Boomer



Op-Ed: On the front lines, here’s what the seven stages of severe COVID-19 look like


I’m a respiratory therapist. With the fourth wave of the pandemic in full swing, fueled by the highly contagious Delta variant, the trajectory of the patients I see, from admission to critical care, is all too familiar. When they’re vaccinated, their COVID-19 infections most likely end after Stage 1. If only that were the case for everyone.

Get vaccinated. If you choose not to, here’s what to expect if you are hospitalized for a serious case of COVID-19.


Stage 1. You’ve had debilitating symptoms for a few days, but now it is so hard to breathe that you come to the emergency room. Your oxygen saturation level tells us you need help, a supplemental flow of 1 to 4 liters of oxygen per minute. We admit you and start you on antivirals, steroids, anticoagulants or monoclonal antibodies. You’ll spend several days in the hospital feeling run-down, but if we can wean you off the oxygen, you’ll get discharged. You survive.

Stage 2. It becomes harder and harder for you to breathe. “Like drowning,” many patients describe the feeling. The bronchodilator treatments we give you provide little relief. Your oxygen requirements increase significantly, from 4 liters to 15 liters to 40 liters per minute. Little things, like relieving yourself or sitting up in bed, become too difficult for you to do on your own. Your oxygen saturation rapidly declines when you move about. We transfer you to the intensive care unit.

Stage 3. You’re exhausted from hyperventilating to satisfy your body’s demand for air. We put you on noninvasive, “positive pressure” ventilation — a big, bulky face mask that must be Velcro’d tightly around your face so the machine can efficiently push pressure into your lungs to pop them open so you get enough of the oxygen it delivers.

Stage 4. Your breathing becomes even more labored. We can tell you’re severely fatigued. An arterial blood draw confirms that the oxygen content in your blood is critically low. We prepare to intubate you. If you’re able to and if there’s time, we will suggest that you call your loved ones. This might be the last time they’ll hear your voice.
We connect you to a ventilator. You are sedated and paralyzed, fed through a feeding tube, hooked to a Foley catheter and a rectal tube. We turn your limp body regularly, so you don’t develop pressure ulcers — bed sores. We bathe you and keep you clean. We flip you onto your stomach to allow for better oxygenation. We will try experimental therapeutics.

Stage 5. Some patients survive Stage 4. Unfortunately, your oxygen levels and overall condition have not improved after several days on the ventilator. Your COVID-infested lungs need assistance and time to heal, something that an ECMO machine, which bypasses your lungs and oxygenates your blood, can provide. But alas, our community hospital doesn’t have that capability.

If you’re stable enough, you will get transferred to another hospital for that therapy. Otherwise, we’ll continue treating you as best we can. We’re understaffed and overwhelmed, but we’ll always give you the best care we can.

Stage 6. The pressure required to open your lungs is so high that air can leak into your chest cavity, so we insert tubes to clear it out. Your kidneys fail to filter the byproducts from the drugs we continuously give you. Despite diuretics, your entire body swells from fluid retention, and you require dialysis to help with your renal function.

The long hospital stay and your depressed immune system make you susceptible to infections. A chest X-ray shows fluid accumulating in your lung sacs. A blood clot may show up, too. We can’t prevent these complications at this point; we treat them as they present.

If your blood pressure drops critically, we will administer vasopressors to bring it up, but your heart may stop anyway. After several rounds of CPR, we’ll get your pulse and circulation back. But soon, your family will need to make a difficult decision.

Stage 7: After several meetings with the palliative care team, your family decides to withdraw care. We extubate you, turning off the breathing machinery. We set up a final FaceTime call with your loved ones. As we work in your room, we hear crying and loving goodbyes. We cry, too, and we hold your hand until your last natural breath.

I’ve been at this for 17 months now. It doesn’t get easier. My pandemic stories rarely end well.

Karen Gallardo is a respiratory therapist at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.
________________________________________


THIS IS ACCURATE.
i am a retired PA and my daughter is a hospitalist who could have written it.

[Byte1]

IMO the OP is a good example of providing a reminder of how serious this virus is. It does not ostracize anyone that has not had the vaccination and does not belittle those that are against it. It just gives information about the seriousness of the virus.
As I have said, but will reiterate, I have my vaccination. I do not fault anyone that is afraid to get vaccinated because they have not seen or been given any information about the long term effects of the serum(how long it lasts and will a booster be needed). Some folks do not trust the gov anymore, and plan to take their chances, which seem pretty good to be honest. Especially pretty good chances if they are in good physical shape.
That said, I am VERY interested to know if or what the percentage of deaths occurred with patients that were in good shape. We always hear about how dangerous it might be to be infected if you have any medical issues, such as being obese, diabetic, high blood pressure, etc. But, we do not hear stories of those folks that had NONE of those medical conditions. I have known over a dozen people ranging from teens to 95yo that have had Covid and all of them except two survived with little effort. The two that did not survive (DIED) had serious issues and were already in the hospital dealing with the medical issues when the died WITH Covid.

So, maybe someone can point me to factual evidence of how many healthy folks have been documented as dying FROM Covid. Subjects that had NO medical issues.
To be honest with you, even though vaccinated I may forego the booster in the future and just consider the treatment IF I become infected, as I have no major health issues. After all, it's been proven that even the vaccinated can become infected. I am not looking forward to getting boosters every six-nine months, re-living the side effects of the shot again and then still have to be concerned about becoming infected. But that's just me and I am in no way advising anyone else or attempting to influence anyone to make a life changing choice.
I am just interested in the percent of healthy that have died FROM Covid.

[Notsocrates]

And most people who smoke don't get lung cancer

[Wyseguy]

My understanding is the booster shot is the same exact vaccine formula and the same exact dose of the original vaccine. I really wish the manufacturers would develop a vaccine that specifically targets all the variants that the virus has mutated so far, including Delta. Having said that, I will take what is being offered now.

Didn't they report that the vaccine was not effective against the delta variant?

[Wyseguy]

A person can go to a number of articles, opinions, doctors, etc. etc. and find the information to support their own opinions. My wife and I (both boomers) do not (and will not) get flu shots, shingles shots, covid shot, or any other shot offered to us. We have both had covid and amazingly enough survived to tell about it. In fact I personally know many people including family members and friends who have had it....NONE of them died. A person must do what is right for them, you are exposed to many harmful things everyday.
Stay clear of the golf cart paths if you don't want to get run over.

It is not enough for me to stay away from golf cart trails (Yes I am afraid of getting hit); I do not want ANYONE to be able to play golf. Don't you care about others?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Most unvaccinated people who get Covid do not go to the hospital and recover just fine. No one wants to hear that though

It's great that most unvaccinated people who get COVID don't go to the hospital and recover just fine.

I'm glad to hear it.

Sadly, there are people who will hear that and say "you see? It's no big deal, I don't have to get vaccinated, or wear a mask, or social distance. This cough? It's just allergies, no big deal. My wheezing? Just a spring cold. Test? Nah, why bother? Even if I have COVID-19, it's likely I'll just stay in bed a day and feel fine tomorrow. No need to take ANY precautions, because I heard that "most unvaccinated people who get COVID don't go to the hospital and recover just fine."

There are MILLIONS of people who have that attitude. Those are the people who are dying in the hospitals now.

That's why some people should NOT be hearing that cheerful news, and why they need to see what actually goes on when someone IS sick with COVID, in the hospital.

[Byte1]

I think I answered my own question:
"Only 6% of deaths have only COVID-19 listed in the death report, according to the CDC." - ABC news (if they can be trusted).
Not sure if this indicates that there was nothing else wrong with the subject such as those illnesses listed; ie. obese, diabetic, etc. or whether the death reports were just being used to pad the stats (say it isn't so!).

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Boomer, my daughter considers the vaccine a “medical procedure”. She would rather leave the country if mandatory vaccinations, than get vaccinated. Both of her parents taught at university and she also attended. Both of her parents are even ready for the booster so it is not our example. I have learned to respect her choice … with a broken heart. I pray and hope I never have to face the day when she will say to me, “Mom, I’ve tested positive”. If you have any words of wisdom for me, I am really listening.

Respect her choice, and require that she respect yours. She, her spouse, your grandchildren - are not welcome on your property until and unless she and her spouse are fully vaccinated and your grandchildren masked from the moment they enter the house until the moment they leave, and maintain a 6-foot distance from you at all times.

[jojo]

And…there are those…like every single person I know personally, who get cold like symptoms, plus some loss of taste and smell, and get better and move on. I hate posts like this that try to instill fear. You are probably the ones I see driving in your carts wearing a mask. 🙄

Where do you live that you know no one with serious COVID? Two in my neighborhood died. My cousin died. Six of my neighbors were hospitalized. Some have long haul symptoms.

[Wyseguy]

Most of us have people that we love, and then people that we really like. At our age that group is easily one hundred people if you count friends in your neighborhood, golf friends, and people married to people we see a lot.

Out of those hundred people, three will die from Covid. Three real people.

We have lived in our small Village of 52 houses for eleven years. It is separate from the others with swamp land and a busy road. Most of the homes have two people living in them and some have one. We gathered frequently at the mail drop to socialize or at Laurel Manor before the pandemic. We stop and chat when we see people out walking. In eleven years you really get to know your neighbors pretty well especially when everyone is retired. Our Village numbers less than a hundred people. One of our neighbors died of Covid.

Overall three percent of Americans have died from Covid, that is including all ages, but when you group older people alone, the number doubles.

It is a horrible death that can be prevented. Please get both shots. People love you.

I hope this makes you feel a little bit better. There are, as of 2020 count, 332,000,000 people in the US. As of Sept 20, 2021 there are 676,076 deaths. That comes out to just over 2/10th of one percent. That is .002. Three percent would be .03. Had 3% of the pop[ulation died it would be just under 10 million deaths

[Byte1]

It's great that most unvaccinated people who get COVID don't go to the hospital and recover just fine.

I'm glad to hear it.

Sadly, there are people who will hear that and say "you see? It's no big deal, I don't have to get vaccinated, or wear a mask, or social distance. This cough? It's just allergies, no big deal. My wheezing? Just a spring cold. Test? Nah, why bother? Even if I have COVID-19, it's likely I'll just stay in bed a day and feel fine tomorrow. No need to take ANY precautions, because I heard that "most unvaccinated people who get COVID don't go to the hospital and recover just fine."

There are MILLIONS of people who have that attitude. Those are the people who are dying in the hospitals now.

That's why some people should NOT be hearing that cheerful news, and why they need to see what actually goes on when someone IS sick with COVID, in the hospital.

Who gets the authority to make the decision to judge whether or not certain folks are deemed worthy of the truth/transparency? Actually, I agree with the rest of your comment. I also believe they should hear both sides on the subject, not just what certain folks deem necessary.

[graciegirl]

Didn't they report that the vaccine was not effective against the delta variant?

No. Put this in your browser;

Covid vaccine is effective against Delta Variant.


There are many clear answers from valid and respected sources; Mayo Clinic, CDC, etc.

Not 100 % but enough to keep you alive and out of the hospital.

[Rzepecki]

Most unvaccinated people who get Covid do not go to the hospital and recover just fine. No one wants to hear that though

Thank goodness this does happen, but is it worth it to risk death?

[CTFORSBERG]

This is really great, thank you very much again for putting this out there and, I get it, there really is a strong family dynamic but, as were seeing and as time should prove, this is a medical issue that is serious for some, like me and probably many of you, and not so serious for the younger generation but it can be easily be spread from person to person so Hopefully people will come to their senses and the medical community will get a hold of it all. I had Covid sick for a month and a half and refused to go to the hospital I just stayed indoors and suffered, it was awful having COPD and asthma. I also lost my best friend of 58 years and two other guys that I know very well to Covid. Here’s the good news. If we are vigilant and wear a mask in crowded places and wash our hands regularly, Docter’s say there’s a 99% chance we won’t get COVID-19. I was watching some YouTube video and there was this girl who is an MIT math genius and she broke down the realities of what your chances are to get Covid with and without the shot. And not to bore anybody but without a Covid shot our chances are 1 in 8 of contracting Covid. And with the Covid shot our chances are 1 and 14,000. And some people are still getting a small strain of Covid even after they’ve been vaccinated but without that vaccination it could be very very serious so this was an eye opener to me. Thanks again for the post and to everyone please stay safe and God bless you and your families.

I have never done a cut-and-paste from a published article, but that's the only way I could do this. Unlike other cut-and-pastes I have seen that often do not cite the source, I will do so. . .

This is what is known to research as a primary source. Primary sources are defined as first-hand accounts of a topic by people who had a connection with it.

The following article was published in the Op-Ed section of the LA Times, August 26, 2021. The writer is Karen Gallardo, a respiratory therapist at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.

(In spite of the disagreements we Villagers can have sometimes on TOTV, I think most of us have sense enough to have been vaccinated. We duly vaccinated, older and (sometimes) wiser, people do not seem to be the age-group that welcomed Covid back to another rampant run.

I have boomer friends who cannot get their adult children to be vaccinated -- not to protect their own children, not to protect themselves, and not to protect their "old" parents. Family dynamics for some are getting downright weird. . .but. . .I digress.)

Here's the article. Read it and weep.

Boomer



Op-Ed: On the front lines, here’s what the seven stages of severe COVID-19 look like


I’m a respiratory therapist. With the fourth wave of the pandemic in full swing, fueled by the highly contagious Delta variant, the trajectory of the patients I see, from admission to critical care, is all too familiar. When they’re vaccinated, their COVID-19 infections most likely end after Stage 1. If only that were the case for everyone.

Get vaccinated. If you choose not to, here’s what to expect if you are hospitalized for a serious case of COVID-19.


Stage 1. You’ve had debilitating symptoms for a few days, but now it is so hard to breathe that you come to the emergency room. Your oxygen saturation level tells us you need help, a supplemental flow of 1 to 4 liters of oxygen per minute. We admit you and start you on antivirals, steroids, anticoagulants or monoclonal antibodies. You’ll spend several days in the hospital feeling run-down, but if we can wean you off the oxygen, you’ll get discharged. You survive.

Stage 2. It becomes harder and harder for you to breathe. “Like drowning,” many patients describe the feeling. The bronchodilator treatments we give you provide little relief. Your oxygen requirements increase significantly, from 4 liters to 15 liters to 40 liters per minute. Little things, like relieving yourself or sitting up in bed, become too difficult for you to do on your own. Your oxygen saturation rapidly declines when you move about. We transfer you to the intensive care unit.

Stage 3. You’re exhausted from hyperventilating to satisfy your body’s demand for air. We put you on noninvasive, “positive pressure” ventilation — a big, bulky face mask that must be Velcro’d tightly around your face so the machine can efficiently push pressure into your lungs to pop them open so you get enough of the oxygen it delivers.

Stage 4. Your breathing becomes even more labored. We can tell you’re severely fatigued. An arterial blood draw confirms that the oxygen content in your blood is critically low. We prepare to intubate you. If you’re able to and if there’s time, we will suggest that you call your loved ones. This might be the last time they’ll hear your voice.
We connect you to a ventilator. You are sedated and paralyzed, fed through a feeding tube, hooked to a Foley catheter and a rectal tube. We turn your limp body regularly, so you don’t develop pressure ulcers — bed sores. We bathe you and keep you clean. We flip you onto your stomach to allow for better oxygenation. We will try experimental therapeutics.

Stage 5. Some patients survive Stage 4. Unfortunately, your oxygen levels and overall condition have not improved after several days on the ventilator. Your COVID-infested lungs need assistance and time to heal, something that an ECMO machine, which bypasses your lungs and oxygenates your blood, can provide. But alas, our community hospital doesn’t have that capability.

If you’re stable enough, you will get transferred to another hospital for that therapy. Otherwise, we’ll continue treating you as best we can. We’re understaffed and overwhelmed, but we’ll always give you the best care we can.

Stage 6. The pressure required to open your lungs is so high that air can leak into your chest cavity, so we insert tubes to clear it out. Your kidneys fail to filter the byproducts from the drugs we continuously give you. Despite diuretics, your entire body swells from fluid retention, and you require dialysis to help with your renal function.

The long hospital stay and your depressed immune system make you susceptible to infections. A chest X-ray shows fluid accumulating in your lung sacs. A blood clot may show up, too. We can’t prevent these complications at this point; we treat them as they present.

If your blood pressure drops critically, we will administer vasopressors to bring it up, but your heart may stop anyway. After several rounds of CPR, we’ll get your pulse and circulation back. But soon, your family will need to make a difficult decision.

Stage 7: After several meetings with the palliative care team, your family decides to withdraw care. We extubate you, turning off the breathing machinery. We set up a final FaceTime call with your loved ones. As we work in your room, we hear crying and loving goodbyes. We cry, too, and we hold your hand until your last natural breath.

I’ve been at this for 17 months now. It doesn’t get easier. My pandemic stories rarely end well.

Karen Gallardo is a respiratory therapist at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.
________________________________________

[Wyseguy]

Respect her choice, and require that she respect yours. She, her spouse, your grandchildren - are not welcome on your property until and unless she and her spouse are fully vaccinated and your grandchildren masked from the moment they enter the house until the moment they leave, and maintain a 6-foot distance from you at all times.

You must be a joy at parties.

[graciegirl]

I think I answered my own question:
"Only 6% of deaths have only COVID-19 listed in the death report, according to the CDC." - ABC news (if they can be trusted).
Not sure if this indicates that there was nothing else wrong with the subject such as those illnesses listed; ie. obese, diabetic, etc. or whether the death reports were just being used to pad the stats (say it isn't so!).

Not very many of us get to be older without having some other "normal" health issues associated with aging such as higher cholesterol, eating too much sugar, elevated blood pressure, but we play pickleball and golf and look healthy as can be.

If the person dying from Covid is someone you absolutely cherish, numbers don't matter. The wonderful thing to think about is that it can be prevented.

[Byte1]

Not very many of us get to be older without having some other "normal" health issues associated with aging such as higher cholesterol, eating too much sugar, elevated blood pressure, but we play pickleball and golf and look healthy as can be.

If the person dying from Covid is someone you absolutely cherish, numbers don't matter. The wonderful thing to think about is that it can be prevented.

You cannot make these choices for others. All you can do is do what is right for you and hope that they will learn by example. Sorry, but other folks must make their own choices, whether their choice works out or whether it turns out to be a disaster.
Personally, I think that I would rather live my life regardless of obstacles and possibly short than a long, boring, protected, regulated and controlled life. If I had to stay home cowering in fear of becoming infected, I think I would opt for an early demise. But, that is just my opinion and how I feel right now. I can not predict what I might feel tomorrow.

[rbmansfield]

Thanks for posting. Some people need that reality check.

[billethkid]

I think I answered my own question:
"Only 6% of deaths have only COVID-19 listed in the death report, according to the CDC." - ABC news (if they can be trusted).
Not sure if this indicates that there was nothing else wrong with the subject such as those illnesses listed; ie. obese, diabetic, etc. or whether the death reports were just being used to pad the stats (say it isn't so!).

Then there is the medicare payment for patients labeled covid....and an even higher coverage if on a ventilator.

Could there be any doubt that when $$$ are involved the numbers game gets "murky"?

[graciegirl]

You cannot make these choices for others. All you can do is do what is right for you and hope that they will learn by example. Sorry, but other folks must make their own choices, whether their choice works out or whether it turns out to be a disaster.
Personally, I think that I would rather live my life regardless of obstacles and possibly short than a long, boring, protected, regulated and controlled life. If I had to stay home cowering in fear of becoming infected, I think I would opt for an early demise. But, that is just my opinion and how I feel right now. I can not predict what I might feel tomorrow.


I understand your philosophy. If you have a child, she may not. If you have a mom, she may not. If you have a partner, they may not. We all want those who matter to us to live more extra days. I don't know you, but I like your strong and independent attitude. It is the very thing I have witnessed in good people all of my life.

[John Mayes]

This is not a circumstance to respect a choice where such a choice is a-clear-and-present-danger to everyone else.
The unvaccinated are responsible for the recent outbreak of the disease, it is their fault that the deaths have now exceeded the US deaths of the 1918 flu (675,000) and now stands at 680,000 (48,000 in Florida). The vaccine is not a choice it is the responsible thing to do.

My point was that’s it’s an individual decision. You may think it’s a cut-and-dry choice but some don’t feel the same as you.

[oneclickplus]

I have never done a cut-and-paste from a published article, but that's the only way I could do this. Unlike other cut-and-pastes I have seen that often do not cite the source, I will do so. . .

This is what is known to research as a primary source. Primary sources are defined as first-hand accounts of a topic by people who had a connection with it.

The following article was published in the Op-Ed section of the LA Times, August 26, 2021. The writer is Karen Gallardo, a respiratory therapist at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.

(In spite of the disagreements we Villagers can have sometimes on TOTV, I think most of us have sense enough to have been vaccinated. We duly vaccinated, older and (sometimes) wiser, people do not seem to be the age-group that welcomed Covid back to another rampant run.

I have boomer friends who cannot get their adult children to be vaccinated -- not to protect their own children, not to protect themselves, and not to protect their "old" parents. Family dynamics for some are getting downright weird. . .but. . .I digress.)

Here's the article. Read it and weep.

Boomer



Op-Ed: On the front lines, here’s what the seven stages of severe COVID-19 look like


I’m a respiratory therapist. With the fourth wave of the pandemic in full swing, fueled by the highly contagious Delta variant, the trajectory of the patients I see, from admission to critical care, is all too familiar. When they’re vaccinated, their COVID-19 infections most likely end after Stage 1. If only that were the case for everyone.

Get vaccinated. If you choose not to, here’s what to expect if you are hospitalized for a serious case of COVID-19.


Stage 1. You’ve had debilitating symptoms for a few days, but now it is so hard to breathe that you come to the emergency room. Your oxygen saturation level tells us you need help, a supplemental flow of 1 to 4 liters of oxygen per minute. We admit you and start you on antivirals, steroids, anticoagulants or monoclonal antibodies. You’ll spend several days in the hospital feeling run-down, but if we can wean you off the oxygen, you’ll get discharged. You survive.

Stage 2. It becomes harder and harder for you to breathe. “Like drowning,” many patients describe the feeling. The bronchodilator treatments we give you provide little relief. Your oxygen requirements increase significantly, from 4 liters to 15 liters to 40 liters per minute. Little things, like relieving yourself or sitting up in bed, become too difficult for you to do on your own. Your oxygen saturation rapidly declines when you move about. We transfer you to the intensive care unit.

Stage 3. You’re exhausted from hyperventilating to satisfy your body’s demand for air. We put you on noninvasive, “positive pressure” ventilation — a big, bulky face mask that must be Velcro’d tightly around your face so the machine can efficiently push pressure into your lungs to pop them open so you get enough of the oxygen it delivers.

Stage 4. Your breathing becomes even more labored. We can tell you’re severely fatigued. An arterial blood draw confirms that the oxygen content in your blood is critically low. We prepare to intubate you. If you’re able to and if there’s time, we will suggest that you call your loved ones. This might be the last time they’ll hear your voice.
We connect you to a ventilator. You are sedated and paralyzed, fed through a feeding tube, hooked to a Foley catheter and a rectal tube. We turn your limp body regularly, so you don’t develop pressure ulcers — bed sores. We bathe you and keep you clean. We flip you onto your stomach to allow for better oxygenation. We will try experimental therapeutics.

Stage 5. Some patients survive Stage 4. Unfortunately, your oxygen levels and overall condition have not improved after several days on the ventilator. Your COVID-infested lungs need assistance and time to heal, something that an ECMO machine, which bypasses your lungs and oxygenates your blood, can provide. But alas, our community hospital doesn’t have that capability.

If you’re stable enough, you will get transferred to another hospital for that therapy. Otherwise, we’ll continue treating you as best we can. We’re understaffed and overwhelmed, but we’ll always give you the best care we can.

Stage 6. The pressure required to open your lungs is so high that air can leak into your chest cavity, so we insert tubes to clear it out. Your kidneys fail to filter the byproducts from the drugs we continuously give you. Despite diuretics, your entire body swells from fluid retention, and you require dialysis to help with your renal function.

The long hospital stay and your depressed immune system make you susceptible to infections. A chest X-ray shows fluid accumulating in your lung sacs. A blood clot may show up, too. We can’t prevent these complications at this point; we treat them as they present.

If your blood pressure drops critically, we will administer vasopressors to bring it up, but your heart may stop anyway. After several rounds of CPR, we’ll get your pulse and circulation back. But soon, your family will need to make a difficult decision.

Stage 7: After several meetings with the palliative care team, your family decides to withdraw care. We extubate you, turning off the breathing machinery. We set up a final FaceTime call with your loved ones. As we work in your room, we hear crying and loving goodbyes. We cry, too, and we hold your hand until your last natural breath.

I’ve been at this for 17 months now. It doesn’t get easier. My pandemic stories rarely end well.

Karen Gallardo is a respiratory therapist at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.
________________________________________

The fallacy of this list is that "Stage 1" is in the hospital. This is because Fauci and friends (NIH, CDC, FDA, fakebook, google, twitter, youtube) suppress and censor any and all treatment options. I had COVID. I beat it back in 48 hours with a treatment classified as "misinformation" by the pundits. The real list should begin something like:

Stage 1: you don't feel well and you think might have COVID. Go get tested.

Stage 2: Ignore Fauci and begin early treatment options that are working. America's Frontline Doctors have much to offer including early treatment options. This is from many doctors who are actually treating COVID patients. Fauci has not treated anyone for COVID.

Stage 3: End of COVID infection whether vaccinated or not.

Failure to do the above and just waiting at home with no treatment to see what your body will do on its own (other than a coerced vax, this is the only recommended action by Fauci, and all the 3-letter agencies) and then you have a good chance of a hospital visit.

Not getting vaccinated is not the problem. Suppression of valid, effective treatment options in order to coerce vaccination is the problem. Think for yourselves. Don't let anyone do it for you.

I (not vaccinated and staying that way) was infected along with my friend Rich (Pfizer vax) on Aug 18 at a local pub. We both got mildly sick (fever, headache, etc) at the same time and we both tested positive for the Delta variant. I took immediate action (already had "prohibited" meds on hand and ready to go from Frontline Doctors). I had enough for Rich and offered them to him. He refused preferring to rely on his Pfizer promise. A week later he was not improving and went in for the monoclonal crap. It will be 5 weeks tomorrow and he is still too weak to go out for a beer. My recovery was so fast (48 hours) that I didn't even infect my wife who shares a bed with me. No, Rich is not dead. Pfizer may have kept him from getting deathly ill. But, he is still a mess 5 weeks later.

I went and got the anti-body test and I now have robust natural immunity.

I know many of you will just file this under "misinformation". Do so at your own peril or that of your relatives who like me will never bow to Saint Anthony (fauci).

P. S. I am 64 and Rich is 67

[coffeebean]

On the show 60 Minutes a couple weeks ago there was a great interview about the Pentagon project which aims to save soldiers from all types of foreign viruses. Here's a quote from the interview which can be found on line in its w=entirety:

"Dr. Modjarrad says in five years a single vaccine could defeat all coronaviruses: that means many common colds, the deadly strain causing this pandemic and thousands of others.

Bill Whitaker: Is that at this point-- a dream?

Dr. Kayvon Modjarrad: This is not science fiction, this is science fact. We have the tools, we have the technology, to do this all right now.

Bill Whitaker: And you think we can, at some point, inoculate the world against these killer viruses.

Dr. Kayvon Modjarrad: Killer viruses that we haven't seen or even imagined, we'll be protected against."

Pretty incredible stuff!!! :bigbow:

Sign me up!

[drducat]

I’m all for the Regeneron treatment for anyone who qualifies for it. It is a wonderful thing that there is a treatment that works for Covid.

Does this Regeneron treatment have FULL FDA APPROVAL like the Pfizer vaccine does? Just wondering.

Pfizer does not have FDA approval...only emergency use. The BioNTech has full approval under its label....can't take Pfizer to court if anything goes wrong.....BioNTech is not protected from being liable...only under that one label which can be found no where.

[Swoop]

Ok, BUT have you heard of anyone who had Covid say I’m glad I didn’t get the shot?

I personally know of friends and acquaintances that were “non-vaccers “ that got Covid were hospitalized and recovered that now are posting on social media to get vaccinated.

Why take the chance

I agree with a fellow poster, it’s about protecting one another (not political) and our economy. Matthew 25 looking out for your fellow man (woman and CHILDREN).
Let me be the first to tell you that I had Covid and I’m still glad that I didn’t get the shot.

My stages were:
1: Dry cough for a couple of days
2: Then a little lethargic for a three days. Two of those days I had muscle/joint aches
3: Temporary loss of smell

My doctor offered a Steroids, I opted not to.
Since my cough lasted three weeks. That classified me as a Covid long hauler. (Any symptoms lasting more than two weeks is classified as long haul)
It’s been seven weeks since my initial symptoms. I have antibodies, I feel normal and I haven’t received a vaccine that has no long term studies regarding side it’s effects.

[Velvet]

Let me be the first to tell you that I had Covid and I’m still glad that I didn’t get the shot.

My stages were:
1: Dry cough for a couple of days
2: Then a little lethargic for a three days. Two of those days I had muscle/joint aches
3: Temporary loss of smell

My doctor offered a Steroids, I opted not to.
Since my cough lasted three weeks. That classified me as a Covid long hauler. (Any symptoms lasting more than two weeks is classified as long haul)
It’s been seven weeks since my initial symptoms. I have antibodies, I feel normal and I haven’t received a vaccine that has no long term studies regarding side it’s effects.

Glad to hear you are alright!

[graciegirl]

The fallacy of this list is that "Stage 1" is in the hospital. This is because Fauci and friends (NIH, CDC, FDA, fakebook, google, twitter, youtube) suppress and censor any and all treatment options. I had COVID. I beat it back in 48 hours with a treatment classified as "misinformation" by the pundits. The real list should begin something like:

Stage 1: you don't feel well and you think might have COVID. Go get tested.

Stage 2: Ignore Fauci and begin early treatment options that are working. America's Frontline Doctors have much to offer including early treatment options. This is from many doctors who are actually treating COVID patients. Fauci has not treated anyone for COVID.

Stage 3: End of COVID infection whether vaccinated or not.

Failure to do the above and just waiting at home with no treatment to see what your body will do on its own (other than a coerced vax, this is the only recommended action by Fauci, and all the 3-letter agencies) and then you have a good chance of a hospital visit.

Not getting vaccinated is not the problem. Suppression of valid, effective treatment options in order to coerce vaccination is the problem. Think for yourselves. Don't let anyone do it for you.

I (not vaccinated and staying that way) was infected along with my friend Rich (Pfizer vax) on Aug 18 at a local pub. We both got mildly sick (fever, headache, etc) at the same time and we both tested positive for the Delta variant. I took immediate action (already had "prohibited" meds on hand and ready to go from Frontline Doctors). I had enough for Rich and offered them to him. He refused preferring to rely on his Pfizer promise. A week later he was not improving and went in for the monoclonal crap. It will be 5 weeks tomorrow and he is still too weak to go out for a beer. My recovery was so fast (48 hours) that I didn't even infect my wife who shares a bed with me. No, Rich is not dead. Pfizer may have kept him from getting deathly ill. But, he is still a mess 5 weeks later.

I went and got the anti-body test and I now have robust natural immunity.

I know many of you will just file this under "misinformation". Do so at your own peril or that of your relatives who like me will never bow to Saint Anthony (fauci).

P. S. I am 64 and Rich is 67

You are younger than me and my husband. We are both eighty.

The other treatments that you mention may be available to those diagnosed with Covid...

But the Vaccine gives you immunity to Covid to a very high degree.

Dr. Fauci is a scientist. I respect his background and his opinion.

How can WE reading this be sure that you tested positive for the "Delta Variant". I was not aware that there was a test for the Delta Variant available to the public.

What prohibited meds are you speaking of? Ivermectin? It isn't prohibited. Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19 | FDA (https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19)

The antibody treatment is free and available in The Villages but it is easier to be vaccinated.

I feel skeptical about some of the things you said.

[Byte1]

Sign me up!

Only problem at this time is the side effects. You will be protected against ALL viruses, BUT the vaccine causes bald head, heavy beard, warts on nose, man boobs and sagging butt. But, you will never have to worry about ever catching a virus. :1rotfl::clap2::1rotfl:
Women may or may not find an issue with the side effects......:1rotfl:

[SkBlogW]

Overall three percent of Americans have died from Covid, that is including all ages, but when you group older people alone, the number doubles.


three percent of all Americans have died from covid?? Hardly

333 million times 3% = 9,990,000

The actual percentage of Americans who have died?

687,783 covid deaths USA divided by 333 million = 0.2 %

[oneclickplus]

You are younger than me and my husband. We are both eighty.

The other treatments that you mention may be available to those diagnosed with Covid...
Not from a mainstream doctor - you have to go outside the regimented system.

But the Vaccine gives you immunity to Covid to a very high degree.
But, I (and many others) choose to NOT be vaccinated so that is a moot point.

Dr. Fauci is a scientist. I respect his background and his opinion.
Many people do. But, since he (and others) down play and suppress the experiences and treatments that other doctors have for early treatment of COVID, he loses all credibility with me. His ONLY treatment is vax and that is what makes him a charlatan.

How can WE reading this be sure that you tested positive for the "Delta Variant". I was not aware that there was a test for the Delta Variant available to the public.
Tested in Maryland at a county site. Yes, they can tell if it is Delta. This was not a home self-test.

What prohibited meds are you speaking of? Ivermectin? It isn't prohibited. Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19 | FDA (https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19)
And here you are quoting the FDA. I don't trust them at all. I believe I said that. HCQ which is almost impossible to get but has a 50+ year safety record and works unbelievably well when used very early. Fauci doesn't want anything to work so as to promote universal vax. And HCQ doesn't screw with my immune system (mRNA making spike proteins to provoke an artificial immune response).

The antibody treatment is free and available in The Villages but it is easier to be vaccinated.
That was my plan B. HCQ was plan A and it worked fabulously. HCQ (taken with zinc) greatly improves zinc absorption in cells which curtails viral replication. Done.

I feel skeptical about some of the things you said.
No kidding. Well, then don't pass this on to the people you love that refuse vaccination. Just sit there and hope they will be OK (i.e. do nothing).


FYI - wife also not vax'd and staying that way.

[Pommom91]

Powerful. Made me cry.

[macawlaw]

Pfizer has full FDA approval, From the FDA website (Comirnaty and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine | FDA (https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/comirnaty-and-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine)). On August 23, 2021, the FDA approved the first COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty, for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older.

[graciegirl]

Pfizer dopes not have FDA approval...only emergency use. The BioNTech has full approval under its label....can't take Pfizer to court if anything goes wrong.....BioNTech is not protected from being liable...only under that one label which can be found no where.

That is incorrect;

FDA Approves First COVID-19 Vaccine | FDA (https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine)

[SkBlogW]

I have never done a cut-and-paste from a published article, but that's the only way I could do this. Unlike other cut-and-pastes I have seen that often do not cite the source, I will do so. . .

This is what is known to research as a primary source. Primary sources are defined as first-hand accounts of a topic by people who had a connection with it.

The following article was published in the Op-Ed section of the LA Times, August 26, 2021. The writer is Karen Gallardo, a respiratory therapist at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.

Great, another fear porn Covid horror story to enjoy with my coffee.

You do realize you are preaching to an audience of villagers who are probably 95% vaccinated?

We have been bombarded with covid porn horror stories for a year and a half now and they accomplish nothing.

If you are under 50 your chances of dying from covid are 25/100,000. If you are under 65 your chances of dying from influenza and pnuemonia are close to 100/100,000 That's 5 times the rate for covid.

If you are one of the over 100 million americans who have survived covid, your chances of reinfection and death are close to zero.

If you are over 65, and have never had covid, you should (in order of effectiveness)

1. Get fully vaccinated, and get booster shot when available
2. Practice social distancing, even with friends who are vaccinated
3. Lose some freakin weight, 42% of you are obese
4. Wear an N95 mask when indoors with others.

Old people have a right to be afraid of covid. They do not have a right to insist that the young and healthy or covid survivors get vaccinated. Instead of whining about others, try eating more healthy foods, take walks, go swimming, ride a bike etc.

Except for some island nations in the south pacific, and Kuwait, Americans are the fattest country on earth. Which is a major reason why we have had so many deaths from covid.

CDC study finds about 78% of people hospitalized for Covid were overweight or obese

Covid: CDC study finds about 78% of people hospitalized were overweight or obese (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.html)

Adult Obesity Facts | Overweight & Obesity | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html#:~:text=Obesity%20is%20common%2C%20seri ous%2C%20and%20costly.%20The%20prevalence,about%20 93.3%20million%20of%20US%20adults%20in%202015~2016 ).

Most Obese Countries 2021 (https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-obese-countries)

QuickStats: Death Rates from Influenza and Pneumonia Among Persons Aged ≥65 Years, by Sex and Age Group — National Vital Statistics System, United States, 2018 | MMWR (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6940a5.htm)

[Snookie100]

Not everyone goes to the hospital or dies. But why take the risk?

[graciegirl]

three percent of all Americans have died from covid?? Hardly

333 million times 3% = 9,990,000

The actual percentage of Americans who have died?

687,783 covid deaths USA divided by 333 million = 0.2 %

I knew I was wrong the minute I read it. Thank you for correcting me.

Six hundred thousand people have died from Covid. I believe that. The debaters say how do you know? I see no reason for people to lie. The debaters say...it is being made serious so the makers of the vaccine can sell it. But I say........ This is just not happening here. This is happening all over the world. This virus has not been here before and it is killing people. NOW with the Delta Variant it is much more contagious. At first we worried about washing our hands but now we know the main danger is indoors in poorly ventilated areas.

[Geodyssey]

If that article isn’t enough to get the vaccine, I don’t know what is. Scary stuff.

Another anecdotal scare article. So many of those... BOO!

So here's another-

Wife and I both had the coof last year. Was like a cold/flu. Lasted 6 or 7 days, no lingering effects except natural immunity.

Not very scary, now was it?

[graciegirl]

Let me be the first to tell you that I had Covid and I’m still glad that I didn’t get the shot.

My stages were:
1: Dry cough for a couple of days
2: Then a little lethargic for a three days. Two of those days I had muscle/joint aches
3: Temporary loss of smell

My doctor offered a Steroids, I opted not to.
Since my cough lasted three weeks. That classified me as a Covid long hauler. (Any symptoms lasting more than two weeks is classified as long haul)
It’s been seven weeks since my initial symptoms. I have antibodies, I feel normal and I haven’t received a vaccine that has no long term studies regarding side it’s effects.

I think I have asked you before. How old are you?

Age makes a huge difference as to how this virus affects people. I am very glad you are okay. You are fortunate. However, the vaccine is safe for most people and reliable.

How old are you??

[Love2Swim]

FYI - wife also not vax'd and staying that way.

stay away from me. I avoid the anti-vexers like the plague.

[Geodyssey]

Let me be the first to tell you that I had Covid and I’m still glad that I didn’t get the shot.

My stages were:
1: Dry cough for a couple of days
2: Then a little lethargic for a three days. Two of those days I had muscle/joint aches
3: Temporary loss of smell

My doctor offered a Steroids, I opted not to.
Since my cough lasted three weeks. That classified me as a Covid long hauler. (Any symptoms lasting more than two weeks is classified as long haul)
It’s been seven weeks since my initial symptoms. I have antibodies, I feel normal and I haven’t received a vaccine that has no long term studies regarding side it’s effects.


My experience was similar, except my sense of smell was heightened. Weird. But no long-term effects. I feel great.

[Love2Swim]

I hope this makes you feel a little bit better. There are, as of 2020 count, 332,000,000 people in the US. As of Sept 20, 2021 there are 676,076 deaths. That comes out to just over 2/10th of one percent. That is .002. Three percent would be .03. Had 3% of the pop[ulation died it would be just under 10 million deaths

Over 600,000 people dead is supposed to make us feel better????

[Geodyssey]

Since obesity causes far, FAR more deaths and illness than covid, how would people feel if the government mandated diets & exercise for these fat slobs overloading the US healthcare system?

Why not?

Notice all the finger-wagging fat nurses (aka "heroes") loving the attention.

[IMPidd]

I agree, great piece of propaganda...convincing argument designed to support a believed "Truth"... One's "Truth" is what you believe " IS TRUTH"... Must remember Education and Intelligence are not the same commodity...both often mascarade as the other...some are educated beyond their intelligence... Few have both in proper proportion to dicect passionate but fraudulent stories. Human nature leads people to be bias to popular "Truths" so to part of the majority...safety in numbers...600 years ago Settled Science held the Earth was flat with the Sun in orbit... Safe belief as contract position could be fatal...fast forward to Modern Science... Today we are being "Educated" that mandatory MASK Requirements will PROTECT the previously vaccinated from Covid..( VP Harris)... Question???? Where is the Intelligence..? Make up your own mind... PS .If you believe YOU need a Booster to protect me...I prefer you isolate in your home and call Doordash to deliver your food.....Peace

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Let me be the first to tell you that I had Covid and I’m still glad that I didn’t get the shot.

My stages were:
1: Dry cough for a couple of days
2: Then a little lethargic for a three days. Two of those days I had muscle/joint aches
3: Temporary loss of smell

My doctor offered a Steroids, I opted not to.
Since my cough lasted three weeks. That classified me as a Covid long hauler. (Any symptoms lasting more than two weeks is classified as long haul)
It’s been seven weeks since my initial symptoms. I have antibodies, I feel normal and I haven’t received a vaccine that has no long term studies regarding side it’s effects.

Awesome, good for you!

Meanwhile, my sister ended up sick as a dog for three months, because of someone JUST LIKE YOU.

The downside is, she -can't- vaccinate because of a bloodclotting disorder. So people JUST LIKE YOU will continue roaming freely, coughing their way through life.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Since obesity causes far, FAR more deaths and illness than covid, how would people feel if the government mandated diets & exercise for these fat slobs overloading the US healthcare system?

Why not?

Notice all the finger-wagging fat nurses (aka "heroes") loving the attention.

Obesity isn't contagious. You being fat is no threat to my health.

[coffeebean]

My point was that’s it’s an individual decision. You may think it’s a cut-and-dry choice but some don’t feel the same as you.

That is why there is a need for vaccine mandates.

[Geodyssey]

Obesity isn't contagious. You being fat is no threat to my health.

Of course you avoided answering THE QUESTION, so I'll ask again:

"How would people feel if the government mandated diets & exercise for these fat slobs overloading the US healthcare system?"

And, I'm not fat. You?

I'm not contagious.

The issue is obese Americans taking up space (pun) and $Billions in the healthcare system that could be directed elsewhere. Yes, obese people do impose a huge (pun) cost on everyone else, including health costs.

[Bill14564]

Since obesity causes far, FAR more deaths and illness than covid, how would people feel if the government mandated diets & exercise for these fat slobs overloading the US healthcare system?

Why not?

Notice all the finger-wagging fat nurses (aka "heroes") loving the attention.

Where did you get the "FAR more deaths and illness" information? The numbers I can find indicate about 300,000 deaths per year from obesity which is about 1/2 the number of deaths attributed to COVID.

When the "fat slobs" fill the hospital beds and cause a problem for me and my family I will worry about it.

When the "fat slobs" infect me and my family and cause us to be fat slobs too then I will worry about it.

And in answer to your other question, when the "fat slobs" impact the health care system and society in general in the same way the unvaccinated are today, THEN it might make sense for the Govt. to issue mandates. For obesity, that is not the case today and it hasn't been the case in the past. For the unvaccinated it most certainly is.

[vb993]

Most unvaccinated people who get Covid do not go to the hospital and recover just fine. No one wants to hear that though

Most people who drive their cars and do not wear a seat belt arrive home just fine. It is those uneducated fake news watchers that think they will never get into a car accident, or get terminally ill from a virus because of low risk. Ask the families of those 650,000 dead americans, who made that gamble and lost. Keep watching those propaganda disinformation networks to keep hearing what you want to hear, instead of actual facts.

[jimjamuser]

I have never done a cut-and-paste from a published article, but that's the only way I could do this. Unlike other cut-and-pastes I have seen that often do not cite the source, I will do so. . .

This is what is known to research as a primary source. Primary sources are defined as first-hand accounts of a topic by people who had a connection with it.

The following article was published in the Op-Ed section of the LA Times, August 26, 2021. The writer is Karen Gallardo, a respiratory therapist at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.

(In spite of the disagreements we Villagers can have sometimes on TOTV, I think most of us have sense enough to have been vaccinated. We duly vaccinated, older and (sometimes) wiser, people do not seem to be the age-group that welcomed Covid back to another rampant run.

I have boomer friends who cannot get their adult children to be vaccinated -- not to protect their own children, not to protect themselves, and not to protect their "old" parents. Family dynamics for some are getting downright weird. . .but. . .I digress.)

Here's the article. Read it and weep.

Boomer



Op-Ed: On the front lines, here’s what the seven stages of severe COVID-19 look like


I’m a respiratory therapist. With the fourth wave of the pandemic in full swing, fueled by the highly contagious Delta variant, the trajectory of the patients I see, from admission to critical care, is all too familiar. When they’re vaccinated, their COVID-19 infections most likely end after Stage 1. If only that were the case for everyone.

Get vaccinated. If you choose not to, here’s what to expect if you are hospitalized for a serious case of COVID-19.


Stage 1. You’ve had debilitating symptoms for a few days, but now it is so hard to breathe that you come to the emergency room. Your oxygen saturation level tells us you need help, a supplemental flow of 1 to 4 liters of oxygen per minute. We admit you and start you on antivirals, steroids, anticoagulants or monoclonal antibodies. You’ll spend several days in the hospital feeling run-down, but if we can wean you off the oxygen, you’ll get discharged. You survive.

Stage 2. It becomes harder and harder for you to breathe. “Like drowning,” many patients describe the feeling. The bronchodilator treatments we give you provide little relief. Your oxygen requirements increase significantly, from 4 liters to 15 liters to 40 liters per minute. Little things, like relieving yourself or sitting up in bed, become too difficult for you to do on your own. Your oxygen saturation rapidly declines when you move about. We transfer you to the intensive care unit.

Stage 3. You’re exhausted from hyperventilating to satisfy your body’s demand for air. We put you on noninvasive, “positive pressure” ventilation — a big, bulky face mask that must be Velcro’d tightly around your face so the machine can efficiently push pressure into your lungs to pop them open so you get enough of the oxygen it delivers.

Stage 4. Your breathing becomes even more labored. We can tell you’re severely fatigued. An arterial blood draw confirms that the oxygen content in your blood is critically low. We prepare to intubate you. If you’re able to and if there’s time, we will suggest that you call your loved ones. This might be the last time they’ll hear your voice.
We connect you to a ventilator. You are sedated and paralyzed, fed through a feeding tube, hooked to a Foley catheter and a rectal tube. We turn your limp body regularly, so you don’t develop pressure ulcers — bed sores. We bathe you and keep you clean. We flip you onto your stomach to allow for better oxygenation. We will try experimental therapeutics.

Stage 5. Some patients survive Stage 4. Unfortunately, your oxygen levels and overall condition have not improved after several days on the ventilator. Your COVID-infested lungs need assistance and time to heal, something that an ECMO machine, which bypasses your lungs and oxygenates your blood, can provide. But alas, our community hospital doesn’t have that capability.

If you’re stable enough, you will get transferred to another hospital for that therapy. Otherwise, we’ll continue treating you as best we can. We’re understaffed and overwhelmed, but we’ll always give you the best care we can.

Stage 6. The pressure required to open your lungs is so high that air can leak into your chest cavity, so we insert tubes to clear it out. Your kidneys fail to filter the byproducts from the drugs we continuously give you. Despite diuretics, your entire body swells from fluid retention, and you require dialysis to help with your renal function.

The long hospital stay and your depressed immune system make you susceptible to infections. A chest X-ray shows fluid accumulating in your lung sacs. A blood clot may show up, too. We can’t prevent these complications at this point; we treat them as they present.

If your blood pressure drops critically, we will administer vasopressors to bring it up, but your heart may stop anyway. After several rounds of CPR, we’ll get your pulse and circulation back. But soon, your family will need to make a difficult decision.

Stage 7: After several meetings with the palliative care team, your family decides to withdraw care. We extubate you, turning off the breathing machinery. We set up a final FaceTime call with your loved ones. As we work in your room, we hear crying and loving goodbyes. We cry, too, and we hold your hand until your last natural breath.

I’ve been at this for 17 months now. It doesn’t get easier. My pandemic stories rarely end well.

Karen Gallardo is a respiratory therapist at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.
________________________________________
Wonderful article ssssooooo moving and sssssoooo sad. My eyes are watering. What a WASTE! What an IGNOBLE way to leave the earth. And I wonder how many people each UNvaccinated person took with them or caused them permanent, long-term damage? And what about long-term damage to America???????
That poor RT lady. No wonder hospitals are running out of staff. And what happens IF a super-DELTA variant develops?

[coffeebean]

The fallacy of this list is that "Stage 1" is in the hospital. This is because Fauci and friends (NIH, CDC, FDA, fakebook, google, twitter, youtube) suppress and censor any and all treatment options. I had COVID. I beat it back in 48 hours with a treatment classified as "misinformation" by the pundits. The real list should begin something like:

Stage 1: you don't feel well and you think might have COVID. Go get tested.

Stage 2: Ignore Fauci and begin early treatment options that are working. America's Frontline Doctors have much to offer including early treatment options. This is from many doctors who are actually treating COVID patients. Fauci has not treated anyone for COVID.

Stage 3: End of COVID infection whether vaccinated or not.

Failure to do the above and just waiting at home with no treatment to see what your body will do on its own (other than a coerced vax, this is the only recommended action by Fauci, and all the 3-letter agencies) and then you have a good chance of a hospital visit.

Not getting vaccinated is not the problem. Suppression of valid, effective treatment options in order to coerce vaccination is the problem. Think for yourselves. Don't let anyone do it for you.

I (not vaccinated and staying that way) was infected along with my friend Rich (Pfizer vax) on Aug 18 at a local pub. We both got mildly sick (fever, headache, etc) at the same time and we both tested positive for the Delta variant. I took immediate action (already had "prohibited" meds on hand and ready to go from Frontline Doctors). I had enough for Rich and offered them to him. He refused preferring to rely on his Pfizer promise. A week later he was not improving and went in for the monoclonal crap. It will be 5 weeks tomorrow and he is still too weak to go out for a beer. My recovery was so fast (48 hours) that I didn't even infect my wife who shares a bed with me. No, Rich is not dead. Pfizer may have kept him from getting deathly ill. But, he is still a mess 5 weeks later.

I went and got the anti-body test and I now have robust natural immunity.

I know many of you will just file this under "misinformation". Do so at your own peril or that of your relatives who like me will never bow to Saint Anthony (fauci).

P. S. I am 64 and Rich is 67

Dr. Fauci is a proponent of the Regeneron treatment. Why do you think he tries to suppress the use of the treatment? Dr. Fauci said early on that the Regeneron cocktail probably helped President Trump recover. Dr. Fauci recommends the Regeneron treatment in the early stages of Covid.

Dr. Fauci supports monoclonal antibody treatments. Does it stop severe COVID? - Deseret News (https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/8/25/22641081/dr-fauci-antibody-treatment-for-severe-covid-19)

As an aside....... why are there still so many un-vaccinated people dying of Covid if this Regeneron treatment is a proven life saver? Are these people not seeking the treatment early enough in their illness?

[coffeebean]

Pfizer dopes not have FDA approval...only emergency use. The BioNTech has full approval under its label....can't take Pfizer to court if anything goes wrong.....BioNTech is not protected from being liable...only under that one label which can be found no where.

I am aware of all this. Fact remains, the exact formula that makes up the Pfizer vaccine, under another name, has full FDA approval.

[coffeebean]

Let me be the first to tell you that I had Covid and I’m still glad that I didn’t get the shot.

My stages were:
1: Dry cough for a couple of days
2: Then a little lethargic for a three days. Two of those days I had muscle/joint aches
3: Temporary loss of smell

My doctor offered a Steroids, I opted not to.
Since my cough lasted three weeks. That classified me as a Covid long hauler. (Any symptoms lasting more than two weeks is classified as long haul)
It’s been seven weeks since my initial symptoms. I have antibodies, I feel normal and I haven’t received a vaccine that has no long term studies regarding side it’s effects.

I'm happy for you that you fared very well after having Covid. Having said that, there are many reports of un-vaccinated people pleading for the vaccine just before they are intubated. Things didn't work out so well for them.

[coffeebean]

only problem at this time is the side effects. You will be protected against all viruses, but the vaccine causes bald head, heavy beard, warts on nose, man boobs and sagging butt. But, you will never have to worry about ever catching a virus. :1rotfl::clap2::1rotfl:
Women may or may not find an issue with the side effects......:1rotfl:
lol.

[Red Rose]

My husband and I know 3 people from The Villages who have died as described in the 7 stages. What a horrible way to die. All because they "didn't believe in" getting vaccinated. It's your choice, but I have lived 75 years listening to the medical field and getting all my vaccinations from childhood to present, so I'm not taking any chances with my life now. I'm looking forward to getting the booster when it's available to me.

[jimjamuser]

Most unvaccinated people who get Covid do not go to the hospital and recover just fine. No one wants to hear that though
Yes, just spin the roulette wheel, take your chances, and hope. Sounds like a good plan! Also, close the mind from thinking about the HURTING of other people and the encouraging of the CV to gain in strength. Denmark has an 86% vaccination rate and has completely returned to NORMAL. It IS likely that the US will NEVER return to normal.

[Blueblaze]

There is only one vaccine at this time that is available to prevent one kind of Cancer and it is widely given to young teens.


Covid can be prevented or made less deadly. Get vaccinated. Don't die like this or lose someone you love.

OK. Done that. So did all your neighbors.

So why are we still talking about this when we have neighbors SMOKING, for crying out loud! It's whole new batch of people to badger relentlessly over their personal decisions that are none of our business!

The CDC says smoking is the leading PREVENTABLE cause of death, and it kills more than 480,000 people every year, including many from SECONDHAND SMOKE! Your neighbor's smoking is a danger to your life, same as if he's an anti-vaxer!

Now that we know we can force people against their will to do what's good for them, it's time to stamp out the scourge of smoking! What do those people think this is, some kind of free country or something?

[coffeebean]

My husband and I know 3 people from The Villages who have died as described in the 7 stages. What a horrible way to die. All because they "didn't believe in" getting vaccinated. It's your choice, but I have lived 75 years listening to the medical field and getting all my vaccinations from childhood to present, so I'm not taking any chances with my life now. I'm looking forward to getting the booster when it's available to me.

It is available now for people over 65. I'm getting my booster in a couple of days at my PCP office. Appointment is made.

[Wyseguy]

“The vaccinated are a danger to the unvaccinated because of shedding!”: The latest COVID-19 antivaccine disinformation | Science-Based Medicine (https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/covid-19-vaccine-shedding-nonsense/)

[drducat]

That is incorrect;

FDA Approves First COVID-19 Vaccine | FDA (https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine)

The article agrees with what I said...

The vaccine also continues to be available under emergency use authorization (EUA), including for individuals 12 through 15 years of age and for the administration of a third dose in certain immunocompromised individuals.



Comirnaty is not being made yet.

[Velvet]

The article agrees with what I said...

The vaccine also continues to be available under emergency use authorization (EUA), including for individuals 12 through 15 years of age and for the administration of a third dose in certain immunocompromised individuals.



Comirnaty is not being made yet.

Comirnaty is the brand name for Pfizer, but I guess you knew that already.

[Wyseguy]

Yes, just spin the roulette wheel, take your chances, and hope. Sounds like a good plan! Also, close the mind from thinking about the HURTING of other people and the encouraging of the CV to gain in strength. Denmark has an 86% vaccination rate and has completely returned to NORMAL. It IS likely that the US will NEVER return to normal.

How do the unvaccinated hurt you? Following the science, the vaccinated carry as much of a viral load as the unvaccinated. People need to stop the bullying.

[Wyseguy]

stay away from me. I avoid the anti-vexers like the plague.

Why is that? Why do you avoid only them, when the vaccinated also carry the same viral load. The vaccine decreases symptoms, and lowers your chance of getting it (Breakthrough). You are at risk with those vaxxed as you are with those unvaxxed.

[golfing eagles]

OR…… BECAUSE WE LIVE IN FL…..YOU CAN HAVE THESE STAGES OF COVID

Stage 1: out of nowhere your hit with a headache, fever and a burning cough
Stage 2: you take a home Covid test……it’s positive……
Stage 3: you go online and register for monoclonal antibodies treatment at Barn Storm….you get in that day
Stage 4: you choose between IV or 4 shots…..if you have symptoms go for the IV it works faster
Stage 5: you go home call your doctor for a phone apt, your doctor orders a ZPac and prednisone
Stage 6: you stay home for 10 days, take your medicine, get rest, drink tons of water and take a short walk every day
Stage 7: on day 11 you feel good you may still have a small cough but all and all the monoclonal did it’s job.
Stage 8: now you have Natural immunity not a leaky shot immunity, the chances of get Covid again are very very slim……unlike all the breakthrough cases

No I don’t wish Covid on anyone but there are ways to walk through this without getting really sick. FYI the infusion is for anyone vax and non-vax a like.

I am so over everyone trying to push their beliefs on others and if you think that vax people don’t get really sick and even die you are sadly missed informed

This vax vs non-vax is worse then the election……..stop the hate and just do YOU

Well, I agree with one thing----SOMEONE is sadly misinformed. (it's like missed informed, only grammatically correct)

[golfing eagles]

When a little over 1% of Covid cases result in death, it is impossible that only 0.05% of cases result in hospitalization.

Please don't confuse these people with facts and logic:pray::pray::pray:

[Wyseguy]

Not everyone goes to the hospital or dies. But why take the risk?

Hi Snookie. Depending on your age and health, covid can pose a very very low risk to you. The risk of an unknown vaccine with no long term studies, when compared to the risk of covid to a young, healthy fit individual presents a choice to the individual.

[Wyseguy]

Ok, BUT have you heard of anyone who had Covid say I’m glad I didn’t get the shot?

I personally know of friends and acquaintances that were “non-vaccers “ that got Covid were hospitalized and recovered that now are posting on social media to get vaccinated.

Why take the chance

I agree with a fellow poster, it’s about protecting one another (not political) and our economy. Matthew 25 looking out for your fellow man (woman and CHILDREN).

When both vaccinated and unvaccinated carry similar viral loads, how exactly are the unvaccinated a risk to you? New data was released by the CDC showing that vaccinated people infected with the delta variant can carry detectable viral loads similar to those of people who are unvaccinated

[Wyseguy]

Yes, just spin the roulette wheel, take your chances, and hope. Sounds like a good plan! Also, close the mind from thinking about the HURTING of other people and the encouraging of the CV to gain in strength. Denmark has an 86% vaccination rate and has completely returned to NORMAL. It IS likely that the US will NEVER return to normal.

New data was released by the CDC showing that vaccinated people infected with the delta variant can carry detectable viral loads similar to those of people who are unvaccinated
The assumption that unvaccinated people are viral factories for more dangerous variants is false
Just as antibiotics breed resistance in bacteria, vaccines put evolutionary pressure on viruses to speed up mutations and create more virulent and dangerous variants
Viruses mutate all the time, and if you have a vaccine that doesn’t block infection completely, then the virus will mutate to evade the immune response within that person. That is one of the distinct features of the COVID shots — they’re not designed to block infection. They allow infection to occur and at best lessen the symptoms of that infection
In an unvaccinated person, the virus does not encounter the same evolutionary pressure to mutate into something stronger. So, if SARS-CoV-2 does end up mutating into more lethal strains, then mass vaccination is most likely the driver
So far, SARS-CoV-2 variants are at most 0.3% different from the original Wuhan virus. Such minor variation means the virus will not present itself as a new virus. If you’ve recovered from COVID-19, your immune system will still recognize it

[Byte1]

Yes, just spin the roulette wheel, take your chances, and hope. Sounds like a good plan! Also, close the mind from thinking about the HURTING of other people and the encouraging of the CV to gain in strength. Denmark has an 86% vaccination rate and has completely returned to NORMAL. It IS likely that the US will NEVER return to normal.

Population of Denmark = LESS THAN 6 million

Good for Denmark. NYC has a larger population.
It is rumored that The Villages has a vaccination rate of around 85%.
CV is NOT gaining in strength. It has gained in the infection rate.

Since we have millions flowing into our country via the Southern border, we must make room for them, so Covid is working slowly but fairly efficiently. After all, with Global Warming :1rotfl: the tree huggers should be very happy. Less bodies to produce flatulence.

[Bill14564]

The article agrees with what I said...

The vaccine also continues to be available under emergency use authorization (EUA), including for individuals 12 through 15 years of age and for the administration of a third dose in certain immunocompromised individuals.



Comirnaty is not being made yet.

You must have missed this post on one of the other threads:

Fact Check-Media reports have not lied about Pfizer-BioNTech’s FDA approval (https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-fda-pfizer/fact-check-media-reports-have-not-lied-about-pfizer-biontechs-fda-approval-idUSL1N2PY0OL)
Fact check: FDA has fully approved Pfizer's coronavirus vaccine (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/08/26/fact-check-fda-fully-approved-pfizers-coronavirus-vaccine/5594543001/)
The false claim that the fully-approved Pfizer vaccine lacks liability protection (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/08/30/false-claim-that-fully-approved-pfizer-vaccine-lacks-liability-protection/)
Fact Check: Pfizer vaccine fully approved (https://www.whec.com/news/fact-check-pfizer-vaccine-fully-approved/6224636/)
Claim that the first COVID-19 vaccine that was approved by the FDA is somehow different than the Pfizer vaccine currently available is misleading (https://www.newswise.com/factcheck/claim-that-the-first-covid-19-vaccine-that-was-approved-by-the-fda-is-somehow-different-than-than-the-pfizer-vaccine-currently-available-is-misleading/?article_id=756484)
Researcher Distorts Facts on COVID-19 Vaccine Approval, Liability (https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/scicheck-researcher-distorts-facts-on-covid-19-vaccine-approval-liability/)

From the FactCheck article:


Malone did not respond to our request for comment, but acknowledged in an Aug. 30 tweet that he was “wrong” about the purported differences in liability. Malone told the Washington Post‘s Fact Checker: “On this particular legal liability issue I did not hunt down the details myself, and relied on comments from a third party lawyer which were not fully correct.”

Those are six separate fact checks on the same topic. Can you provide even two that support your position and don't come from Malone, Bannon, Kennedy, or the My Pillow guy?

[Wyseguy]

OK. Done that. So did all your neighbors.

So why are we still talking about this when we have neighbors SMOKING, for crying out loud! It's whole new batch of people to badger relentlessly over their personal decisions that are none of our business!

The CDC says smoking is the leading PREVENTABLE cause of death, and it kills more than 480,000 people every year, including many from SECONDHAND SMOKE! Your neighbor's smoking is a danger to your life, same as if he's an anti-vaxer!

Now that we know we can force people against their will to do what's good for them, it's time to stamp out the scourge of smoking! What do those people think this is, some kind of free country or something?

Let us not ignore the damage of staying up late watching TV. In cold war Romania, the dictator Ceausescu use to have the TV stations turned off at 10:30 every weeknight because as their dictator he knew it was best for them. If he did not they may stay up late watching TV and cause accidents, harming themselves and others at work. Wouldn't shock me if a few here think that is a great idea. Don't lives matter.

[golfing eagles]

The fallacy of this list is that "Stage 1" is in the hospital. This is because Fauci and friends (NIH, CDC, FDA, fakebook, google, twitter, youtube) suppress and censor any and all treatment options. I had COVID. I beat it back in 48 hours with a treatment classified as "misinformation" by the pundits. The real list should begin something like:

Stage 1: you don't feel well and you think might have COVID. Go get tested.

Stage 2: Ignore Fauci and begin early treatment options that are working. America's Frontline Doctors have much to offer including early treatment options. This is from many doctors who are actually treating COVID patients. Fauci has not treated anyone for COVID.

Stage 3: End of COVID infection whether vaccinated or not.

Failure to do the above and just waiting at home with no treatment to see what your body will do on its own (other than a coerced vax, this is the only recommended action by Fauci, and all the 3-letter agencies) and then you have a good chance of a hospital visit.

Not getting vaccinated is not the problem. Suppression of valid, effective treatment options in order to coerce vaccination is the problem. Think for yourselves. Don't let anyone do it for you.

I (not vaccinated and staying that way) was infected along with my friend Rich (Pfizer vax) on Aug 18 at a local pub. We both got mildly sick (fever, headache, etc) at the same time and we both tested positive for the Delta variant. I took immediate action (already had "prohibited" meds on hand and ready to go from Frontline Doctors). I had enough for Rich and offered them to him. He refused preferring to rely on his Pfizer promise. A week later he was not improving and went in for the monoclonal crap. It will be 5 weeks tomorrow and he is still too weak to go out for a beer. My recovery was so fast (48 hours) that I didn't even infect my wife who shares a bed with me. No, Rich is not dead. Pfizer may have kept him from getting deathly ill. But, he is still a mess 5 weeks later.

I went and got the anti-body test and I now have robust natural immunity.

I know many of you will just file this under "misinformation". Do so at your own peril or that of your relatives who like me will never bow to Saint Anthony (fauci).

P. S. I am 64 and Rich is 67

I have no idea what "prohibited meds" from "frontline doctors" is, but since monoclonal antibodies were referred to as "crap", I can only assume these "prohibited meds" were about 27 levels lower than "crap". But you might be protected against horse parasites:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

You are younger than me and my husband. We are both eighty.

The other treatments that you mention may be available to those diagnosed with Covid...

But the Vaccine gives you immunity to Covid to a very high degree.

Dr. Fauci is a scientist. I respect his background and his opinion.

How can WE reading this be sure that you tested positive for the "Delta Variant". I was not aware that there was a test for the Delta Variant available to the public.

What prohibited meds are you speaking of? Ivermectin? It isn't prohibited. Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19 | FDA (https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19)

The antibody treatment is free and available in The Villages but it is easier to be vaccinated.

I feel skeptical about some of the things you said.

GG, you were much kinder than I. Almost all of what was said could be used to fertilize about 12,000 acres of farmland.

[John Mayes]

That is why there is a need for vaccine mandates.

I disagree. That is not a reason for vaccine mandates.

As has been discussed on this forum ad nauseam, the federal government has no place in trying to issue a national mandate. They never have and, in my opinion, would never stand up constitutionally. If individual states wish to do so, they can for those institutions that are under their control.

Mandates, such as vaccine requirements are a slippery slope. What you deem as a public health necessity can be be contorted by others in the future to impose mandates that you may very well find inappropriate or invasive.

My philosophy is to take care of yourself to the point possible and let others make their own decisions.

[John Mayes]

Awesome, good for you!

Meanwhile, my sister ended up sick as a dog for three months, because of someone JUST LIKE YOU.

The downside is, she -can't- vaccinate because of a bloodclotting disorder. So people JUST LIKE YOU will continue roaming freely, coughing their way through life.

So, with the pre-existing conditions you described, your sister didn’t take extra precautions to avoid being exposed?

[jimjamuser]

OR…… BECAUSE WE LIVE IN FL…..YOU CAN HAVE THESE STAGES OF COVID

Stage 1: out of nowhere your hit with a headache, fever and a burning cough
Stage 2: you take a home Covid test……it’s positive……
Stage 3: you go online and register for monoclonal antibodies treatment at Barn Storm….you get in that day
Stage 4: you choose between IV or 4 shots…..if you have symptoms go for the IV it works faster
Stage 5: you go home call your doctor for a phone apt, your doctor orders a ZPac and prednisone
Stage 6: you stay home for 10 days, take your medicine, get rest, drink tons of water and take a short walk every day
Stage 7: on day 11 you feel good you may still have a small cough but all and all the monoclonal did it’s job.
Stage 8: now you have Natural immunity not a leaky shot immunity, the chances of get Covid again are very very slim……unlike all the breakthrough cases

No I don’t wish Covid on anyone but there are ways to walk through this without getting really sick. FYI the infusion is for anyone vax and non-vax a like.

I am so over everyone trying to push their beliefs on others and if you think that vax people don’t get really sick and even die you are sadly missed informed

This vax vs non-vax is worse then the election……..stop the hate and just do YOU
I will "assume that it is an"attempt" at being helpful. However, it fails on, at least, 2 logical fronts - seems like trying to have your cake and eating it too - and it would actually ENCOURAGE risky behavior.
........It seems motivated by an impulse to distrust government and medical experts.
.........It is like a person pointing a finger at the government and saying, "you can't make me......I am a free spirit......a rugged individual......owing no allegiance to any entity, except myself"
Denmark has an 86% vaccine rate and has achieved the "holy grail" of herd immunity and has declared a complete return to normal. New Zealand has .6 persons per 100,000 CV deaths ....one of the world's lowest. The US, for comparison, has 207 per 100,000 Russia says it has 112 Finland has 19 South Korea has 4
.......IMO......just saying.....SOMETHING (?) is wrong with the US?

[Wyseguy]

I have no idea what "prohibited meds" from "frontline doctors" is, but since monoclonal antibodies were referred to as "crap", I can only assume these "prohibited meds" were about 27 levels lower than "crap". But you might be protected against horse parasites:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

There is a medicine that scientists, doctors, virologists all agree works to lessen the effects of covid. Instead of being happy, a certain "type" of person makes childish jokes about it. What do these nasty people gain from such behaviour?

[golfing eagles]

When both vaccinated and unvaccinated carry similar viral loads, how exactly are the unvaccinated a risk to you? New data was released by the CDC showing that vaccinated people infected with the delta variant can carry detectable viral loads similar to those of people who are unvaccinated

Point of clarification before that post misinforms even more people:

Vaccinated people who have breakthrough and carry the virus can have viral loads equal to the unvaccinated. HOWEVER, the percentage of those vaccinated people carrying the virus is very, very low. A number of posts that refer to "viral load" are making it sound like just as many vaccinated people are running around with the same viral load as the unvaccinated. That is far, far from true. It's sort of like stating that fully clothed people who contract poison ivy in the woods have exactly the same lesions as naked people who ran through the woods without stating that 95% of the naked people got poison ivy while only 0.1% of the clothed did. Which group do you think will need the most calamine lotion?

[jimjamuser]

And…there are those…like every single person I know personally, who get cold like symptoms, plus some loss of taste and smell, and get better and move on. I hate posts like this that try to instill fear. You are probably the ones I see driving in your carts wearing a mask. 🙄
I disagree vehemently with this post.

[golfing eagles]

There is a medicine that scientists, doctors, virologists all agree works to lessen the effects of covid. Instead of being happy, a certain "type" of person makes childish jokes about it. What do these nasty people gain from such behaviour?

Care to name this "medicine that scientists, doctors, virologists all agree works to lessen the effects of covid." and who they are? The only "childish" behavior is avoiding a proven vaccine to take a bunch of garbage touted by some wackos on the internet.

[Redsmom]

This is not a circumstance to respect a choice where such a choice is a-clear-and-present-danger to everyone else.
The unvaccinated are responsible for the recent outbreak of the disease, it is their fault that the deaths have now exceeded the US deaths of the 1918 flu (675,000) and now stands at 680,000 (48,000 in Florida). The vaccine is not a choice it is the responsible thing to do.

Amazingly, while we’re having this back-and-forth discussion, and throwing blame at the unvaccinated people (many of whom have good reasons to resist this jab) we forget who IS responsible for this virus: China, and those that funded China, to perform gain of function research.

[tvbound]

There sure a lot of previously hardcore anti-vaxxers that have died lately, due to Covid. Sadly, a large number of them have had a change of heart at the last minute, while they're on their deathbed. I can't imagine how hard it is for the doctors/nurses to have to tell them, "I'm sorry, but it's too late to get the vaccine now."

[jimjamuser]

A person can go to a number of articles, opinions, doctors, etc. etc. and find the information to support their own opinions. My wife and I (both boomers) do not (and will not) get flu shots, shingles shots, covid shot, or any other shot offered to us. We have both had covid and amazingly enough survived to tell about it. In fact I personally know many people including family members and friends who have had it....NONE of them died. A person must do what is right for them, you are exposed to many harmful things everyday.
Stay clear of the golf cart paths if you don't want to get run over.
I guess that is a warning to pedestrians on the muti-type paths, "we don't stop for nobody". Mature?

[jimjamuser]

I you think death by Covid is gruesome, you should see death by Cancer!

Odds of dying from Covid 19: 1 in 914

Odds of dying from cancer: 1 in 533

How come we don't post cancer panic-porn on this site for old folks, where nearly everyone is already vaccinated and immune to Covid, but at high risk for cancer, for which there is no vaccine?

I see people smoking in the Villages all the time. Shouldn't we be hounding them relentlessly to quit smoking? Think of all the black lung pictures we could post and endlessly comment on! We could have a "7 stages of dying from lung cancer" thread that would make Covid look like a bout of hay fever!
I don't believe that there is a vaccine for cancer. So, they are comparable......HOW?

[graciegirl]

Amazingly, while we’re having this back-and-forth discussion, and throwing blame at the unvaccinated people (many of whom have good reasons to resist this jab) we forget who IS responsible for this virus: China, and those that funded China, to perform gain of function research.

Where it started is not nearly as important as defining the problem that this virus did indeed start and it has spread all over the planet, not just to areas that affect the U.S. Political outcome.

And this virus lives and has now mutated into the much more contagious Delta Variant and that kills and it harms and it injures and it is very dangerous to a small percentage of the population and some don't know that until they end up in the hospital.

or dead.

It isn't a problem that was engineered to change the political environment in the U.S. It started in China, spread quickly to Italy...remember February of 2020, reading about there being so many deaths that they couldn't carry the corpses away in Northern Italy? We watched, many of us, not knowing what really was happening, and I believe that that included our savvy agencies like the FDA and the CDC. Then on to country after country throughout the world. Not many parts have been spared on this planet.

Please type Johns Hopkins Covid Tracker into your browser. Johns Hopkins is a large teaching hospital in Maryland, rated number one in the U.S. for several years and it is known for it's research and it's ethics and it's expertise in many areas of medicine. It is not affiliated with the Federal Government.

[jimjamuser]

I you think death by Covid is gruesome, you should see death by Cancer!

Odds of dying from Covid 19: 1 in 914

Odds of dying from cancer: 1 in 533

How come we don't post cancer panic-porn on this site for old folks, where nearly everyone is already vaccinated and immune to Covid, but at high risk for cancer, for which there is no vaccine?

I see people smoking in the Villages all the time. Shouldn't we be hounding them relentlessly to quit smoking? Think of all the black lung pictures we could post and endlessly comment on! We could have a "7 stages of dying from lung cancer" thread that would make Covid look like a bout of hay fever!
I don't believe that there is a vaccine for cancer. So CV and cancer are compatible......HOW?

[graciegirl]

I don't believe that there is a vaccine for cancer. So CV and cancer are compatible......HOW?

There is now a vaccination against Cervical Cancer and related Cancers in men and is now given routinely to young teens.

HPV Vaccination: What Everyone Should Know | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/hpv/public/index.html)

[tvbound]

"Where it started is not nearly as important as defining the problem"

That pretty much speaks for itself and is what we should be concentrating on.

[jimjamuser]

This is not a circumstance to respect a choice where such a choice is a-clear-and-present-danger to everyone else.
The unvaccinated are responsible for the recent outbreak of the disease, it is their fault that the deaths have now exceeded the US deaths of the 1918 flu (675,000) and now stands at 680,000 (48,000 in Florida). The vaccine is not a choice it is the responsible thing to do.
I agree with the contents of this post.

[coffeebean]

How do the unvaccinated hurt you? Following the science, the vaccinated carry as much of a viral load as the unvaccinated. People need to stop the bullying.

One of my concerns with the UN-vaccinated are the amount of hospital beds that are occupied by them, leaving the heath care system stressed. This is real and is happening all over the country. There was a 72 year old man who died of a heart attack when there were no ICU hospital beds available for him. This happened in Alabama I believe. That can happen anywhere and that is what concerns me.

I found an article about it........

An Alabama Man Dies After Being Turned Away From 43 Hospitals At Capacity : Coronavirus Updates : NPR (https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/09/13/1036593269/coronavirus-alabama-43-icus-at-capacity-ray-demonia)

[jimjamuser]

I knew COVID was bad, just from reports of a couple of friends who never got beyond Stage 2. But this level of description can’t be described as anything but terrifying. Every person refusing vaccination or trying to convince others to decline the vaccine should be forced to read this. Thank you for posting it.

My wife and I are both vaccinated, me with the third Pfizer shot, my wife scheduled for her third later this week. We still stay away from large crowds, socially distance, and wear masks indoors when with others. Dying as described in this article isn’t anything we want to make possible—for us or others.
Great post! Great summary!

[coffeebean]

New data was released by the CDC showing that vaccinated people infected with the delta variant can carry detectable viral loads similar to those of people who are unvaccinated
The assumption that unvaccinated people are viral factories for more dangerous variants is false
Just as antibiotics breed resistance in bacteria, vaccines put evolutionary pressure on viruses to speed up mutations and create more virulent and dangerous variants
Viruses mutate all the time, and if you have a vaccine that doesn’t block infection completely, then the virus will mutate to evade the immune response within that person. That is one of the distinct features of the COVID shots — they’re not designed to block infection. They allow infection to occur and at best lessen the symptoms of that infection
In an unvaccinated person, the virus does not encounter the same evolutionary pressure to mutate into something stronger. So, if SARS-CoV-2 does end up mutating into more lethal strains, then mass vaccination is most likely the driver
So far, SARS-CoV-2 variants are at most 0.3% different from the original Wuhan virus. Such minor variation means the virus will not present itself as a new virus. If you’ve recovered from COVID-19, your immune system will still recognize it

Where are you getting this information from? Can you provide a link please?

[jimjamuser]

NO, nor even close. Never happened!

[jimjamuser]

Didn't they report that the vaccine was not effective against the delta variant?
NO. Definitely not! Never happened.

[jimjamuser]

It's great that most unvaccinated people who get COVID don't go to the hospital and recover just fine.

I'm glad to hear it.

Sadly, there are people who will hear that and say "you see? It's no big deal, I don't have to get vaccinated, or wear a mask, or social distance. This cough? It's just allergies, no big deal. My wheezing? Just a spring cold. Test? Nah, why bother? Even if I have COVID-19, it's likely I'll just stay in bed a day and feel fine tomorrow. No need to take ANY precautions, because I heard that "most unvaccinated people who get COVID don't go to the hospital and recover just fine."

There are MILLIONS of people who have that attitude. Those are the people who are dying in the hospitals now.

That's why some people should NOT be hearing that cheerful news, and why they need to see what actually goes on when someone IS sick with COVID, in the hospital.
I fail to understand the OVER-ZEALOUSNOUS of the anti-vaccine crowd. Why, why, and why?

[jimjamuser]

My point was that’s it’s an individual decision. You may think it’s a cut-and-dry choice but some don’t feel the same as you.
Many individuals are having GREAT problems making "individual decisions" because of the proliferation of media and many relatively NEW (post-1985) media channels that are engaged in misinformation. From1940 to about 1970 a person could trust the media to be telling the truth. Russia and China certainly do NOT want the US to succeed so they put out misinformation. Average people do not take the time to verify what they read on Facebook, Instagram, or other internet sites. It is hard! This particular thread about the Respiratory Therapist IS rather irrefutable, factual, informative, and sad. It is good information and is advice to LITERALLY LIVE by!

[jdulej]

Where it started is not nearly as important as defining the problem that this virus did indeed start and it has spread all over the planet, not just to areas that affect the U.S. Political outcome.

And this virus lives and has now mutated into the much more contagious Delta Variant and that kills and it harms and it injures and it is very dangerous to a small percentage of the population and some don't know that until they end up in the hospital.

or dead.

It isn't a problem that was engineered to change the political environment in the U.S. It started in China, spread quickly to Italy...remember February of 2020, reading about there being so many deaths that they couldn't carry the corpses away in Northern Italy? We watched, many of us, not knowing what really was happening, and I believe that that included our savvy agencies like the FDA and the CDC. Then on to country after country throughout the world. Not many parts have been spared on this planet.

Please type Johns Hopkins Covid Tracker into your browser. Johns Hopkins is a large teaching hospital in Maryland, rated number one in the U.S. for several years and it is known for it's research and it's ethics and it's expertise in many areas of medicine. It is not affiliated with the Federal Government.
While we are all feeling good about blaming China and Fauci for creating this weapon, let's not forget who was in charge and allowed the USA to be attacked with a biological weapon and did nothing about it (except whine).

[jimjamuser]

Great, another fear porn Covid horror story to enjoy with my coffee.

You do realize you are preaching to an audience of villagers who are probably 95% vaccinated?

We have been bombarded with covid porn horror stories for a year and a half now and they accomplish nothing.

If you are under 50 your chances of dying from covid are 25/100,000. If you are under 65 your chances of dying from influenza and pnuemonia are close to 100/100,000 That's 5 times the rate for covid.

If you are one of the over 100 million americans who have survived covid, your chances of reinfection and death are close to zero.

If you are over 65, and have never had covid, you should (in order of effectiveness)

1. Get fully vaccinated, and get booster shot when available
2. Practice social distancing, even with friends who are vaccinated
3. Lose some freakin weight, 42% of you are obese
4. Wear an N95 mask when indoors with others.

Old people have a right to be afraid of covid. They do not have a right to insist that the young and healthy or covid survivors get vaccinated. Instead of whining about others, try eating more healthy foods, take walks, go swimming, ride a bike etc.

Except for some island nations in the south pacific, and Kuwait, Americans are the fattest country on earth. Which is a major reason why we have had so many deaths from covid.

CDC study finds about 78% of people hospitalized for Covid were overweight or obese

Covid: CDC study finds about 78% of people hospitalized were overweight or obese (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.html)

Adult Obesity Facts | Overweight & Obesity | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html#:~:text=Obesity%20is%20common%2C%20seri ous%2C%20and%20costly.%20The%20prevalence,about%20 93.3%20million%20of%20US%20adults%20in%202015~2016 ).

Most Obese Countries 2021 (https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-obese-countries)

QuickStats: Death Rates from Influenza and Pneumonia Among Persons Aged ≥65 Years, by Sex and Age Group — National Vital Statistics System, United States, 2018 | MMWR (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6940a5.htm)
I just made an early New Years' resolution .....to NEVER read another post with the term "covid-porn" in it. Something abnormal about that!

[Rose Ann Vinci Igoe]

I have never done a cut-and-paste from a published article, but that's the only way I could do this. Unlike other cut-and-pastes I have seen that often do not cite the source, I will do so. . .

This is what is known to research as a primary source. Primary sources are defined as first-hand accounts of a topic by people who had a connection with it.

The following article was published in the Op-Ed section of the LA Times, August 26, 2021. The writer is Karen Gallardo, a respiratory therapist at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.

(In spite of the disagreements we Villagers can have sometimes on TOTV, I think most of us have sense enough to have been vaccinated. We duly vaccinated, older and (sometimes) wiser, people do not seem to be the age-group that welcomed Covid back to another rampant run.

I have boomer friends who cannot get their adult children to be vaccinated -- not to protect their own children, not to protect themselves, and not to protect their "old" parents. Family dynamics for some are getting downright weird. . .but. . .I digress.)

Here's the article. Read it and weep.

Boomer



Op-Ed: On the front lines, here’s what the seven stages of severe COVID-19 look like


I’m a respiratory therapist. With the fourth wave of the pandemic in full swing, fueled by the highly contagious Delta variant, the trajectory of the patients I see, from admission to critical care, is all too familiar. When they’re vaccinated, their COVID-19 infections most likely end after Stage 1. If only that were the case for everyone.

Get vaccinated. If you choose not to, here’s what to expect if you are hospitalized for a serious case of COVID-19.


Stage 1. You’ve had debilitating symptoms for a few days, but now it is so hard to breathe that you come to the emergency room. Your oxygen saturation level tells us you need help, a supplemental flow of 1 to 4 liters of oxygen per minute. We admit you and start you on antivirals, steroids, anticoagulants or monoclonal antibodies. You’ll spend several days in the hospital feeling run-down, but if we can wean you off the oxygen, you’ll get discharged. You survive.

Stage 2. It becomes harder and harder for you to breathe. “Like drowning,” many patients describe the feeling. The bronchodilator treatments we give you provide little relief. Your oxygen requirements increase significantly, from 4 liters to 15 liters to 40 liters per minute. Little things, like relieving yourself or sitting up in bed, become too difficult for you to do on your own. Your oxygen saturation rapidly declines when you move about. We transfer you to the intensive care unit.

Stage 3. You’re exhausted from hyperventilating to satisfy your body’s demand for air. We put you on noninvasive, “positive pressure” ventilation — a big, bulky face mask that must be Velcro’d tightly around your face so the machine can efficiently push pressure into your lungs to pop them open so you get enough of the oxygen it delivers.

Stage 4. Your breathing becomes even more labored. We can tell you’re severely fatigued. An arterial blood draw confirms that the oxygen content in your blood is critically low. We prepare to intubate you. If you’re able to and if there’s time, we will suggest that you call your loved ones. This might be the last time they’ll hear your voice.
We connect you to a ventilator. You are sedated and paralyzed, fed through a feeding tube, hooked to a Foley catheter and a rectal tube. We turn your limp body regularly, so you don’t develop pressure ulcers — bed sores. We bathe you and keep you clean. We flip you onto your stomach to allow for better oxygenation. We will try experimental therapeutics.

Stage 5. Some patients survive Stage 4. Unfortunately, your oxygen levels and overall condition have not improved after several days on the ventilator. Your COVID-infested lungs need assistance and time to heal, something that an ECMO machine, which bypasses your lungs and oxygenates your blood, can provide. But alas, our community hospital doesn’t have that capability.

If you’re stable enough, you will get transferred to another hospital for that therapy. Otherwise, we’ll continue treating you as best we can. We’re understaffed and overwhelmed, but we’ll always give you the best care we can.

Stage 6. The pressure required to open your lungs is so high that air can leak into your chest cavity, so we insert tubes to clear it out. Your kidneys fail to filter the byproducts from the drugs we continuously give you. Despite diuretics, your entire body swells from fluid retention, and you require dialysis to help with your renal function.

The long hospital stay and your depressed immune system make you susceptible to infections. A chest X-ray shows fluid accumulating in your lung sacs. A blood clot may show up, too. We can’t prevent these complications at this point; we treat them as they present.

If your blood pressure drops critically, we will administer vasopressors to bring it up, but your heart may stop anyway. After several rounds of CPR, we’ll get your pulse and circulation back. But soon, your family will need to make a difficult decision.

Stage 7: After several meetings with the palliative care team, your family decides to withdraw care. We extubate you, turning off the breathing machinery. We set up a final FaceTime call with your loved ones. As we work in your room, we hear crying and loving goodbyes. We cry, too, and we hold your hand until your last natural breath.

I’ve been at this for 17 months now. It doesn’t get easier. My pandemic stories rarely end well.

Karen Gallardo is a respiratory therapist at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.
________________________________________

great article... I copied it and posted it to my friends. thank you

[jimjamuser]

I agree, great piece of propaganda...convincing argument designed to support a believed "Truth"... One's "Truth" is what you believe " IS TRUTH"... Must remember Education and Intelligence are not the same commodity...both often mascarade as the other...some are educated beyond their intelligence... Few have both in proper proportion to dicect passionate but fraudulent stories. Human nature leads people to be bias to popular "Truths" so to part of the majority...safety in numbers...600 years ago Settled Science held the Earth was flat with the Sun in orbit... Safe belief as contract position could be fatal...fast forward to Modern Science... Today we are being "Educated" that mandatory MASK Requirements will PROTECT the previously vaccinated from Covid..( VP Harris)... Question???? Where is the Intelligence..? Make up your own mind... PS .If you believe YOU need a Booster to protect me...I prefer you isolate in your home and call Doordash to deliver your food.....Peace
Twisting themselves inside out to dispute a thread about a REAL hospital worker's lived, vivid experience. Next, we will be told that she is on Dr. Fauci's payroll so she just LIED.

[jimjamuser]

How do the unvaccinated hurt you? Following the science, the vaccinated carry as much of a viral load as the unvaccinated. People need to stop the bullying.
They hurt me because I do NOT live in Denmark or New Zealand or any other low UNvacinated country, which have returned to NORMAL. The US is desperately NOT NORMAL because of the anti-vaxxers. That's why!!!!!!!!

[jimjamuser]

Population of Denmark = LESS THAN 6 million

Good for Denmark. NYC has a larger population.
It is rumored that The Villages has a vaccination rate of around 85%.
CV is NOT gaining in strength. It has gained in the infection rate.

Since we have millions flowing into our country via the Southern border, we must make room for them, so Covid is working slowly but fairly efficiently. After all, with Global Warming :1rotfl: the tree huggers should be very happy. Less bodies to produce flatulence.
The total population of Denmark does NOT MATTER in any way when you express the PERCENTAGE of the population that is vaccinated. That is why I bothered to put in %. The point is that Denmark is full of ROCKET SCIENTISTS compared to the US, which has a high % of illiterates that won't bother to study Medical Science, when foxy Loxcy and Qanon and other dark sites have STOLEN their minds!
.......And I agree that the southern border could cause a surge from UNvaccinated alien "tourists".

[jimjamuser]

Let us not ignore the damage of staying up late watching TV. In cold war Romania, the dictator Ceausescu use to have the TV stations turned off at 10:30 every weeknight because as their dictator he knew it was best for them. If he did not they may stay up late watching TV and cause accidents, harming themselves and others at work. Wouldn't shock me if a few here think that is a great idea. Don't lives matter.
And that really rebutted well the ideas presented by Boomer and the RT hospital lady in the introductory thread!

[jimjamuser]

I disagree. That is not a reason for vaccine mandates.

As has been discussed on this forum ad nauseam, the federal government has no place in trying to issue a national mandate. They never have and, in my opinion, would never stand up constitutionally. If individual states wish to do so, they can for those institutions that are under their control.

Mandates, such as vaccine requirements are a slippery slope. What you deem as a public health necessity can be be contorted by others in the future to impose mandates that you may very well find inappropriate or invasive.

My philosophy is to take care of yourself to the point possible and let others make their own decisions.
Sad. Empathy has DIED and "greed is good" has taken its place!

[jimjamuser]

Point of clarification before that post misinforms even more people:

Vaccinated people who have breakthrough and carry the virus can have viral loads equal to the unvaccinated. HOWEVER, the percentage of those vaccinated people carrying the virus is very, very low. A number of posts that refer to "viral load" are making it sound like just as many vaccinated people are running around with the same viral load as the unvaccinated. That is far, far from true. It's sort of like stating that fully clothed people who contract poison ivy in the woods have exactly the same lesions as naked people who ran through the woods without stating that 95% of the naked people got poison ivy while only 0.1% of the clothed did. Which group do you think will need the most calamine lotion?
I agree with the content of this post! Good one!

[Eg_cruz]

I’m all for the Regeneron treatment for anyone who qualifies for it. It is a wonderful thing that there is a treatment that works for Covid.

Does this Regeneron treatment have FULL FDA APPROVAL like the Pfizer vaccine does? Just wondering.
It has been around for years…..this was not developed for Covid. Up the treatment works great for it

[golfing eagles]

It has been around for years…..this was not developed for Covid. Up the treatment works great for it

Didn't answer her question. Why not? I think we all know the answer to that.

[Eg_cruz]

They hurt me because I do NOT live in Denmark or New Zealand or any other low UNvacinated country, which have returned to NORMAL. The US is desperately NOT NORMAL because of the anti-vaxxers. That's why!!!!!!!!
Stop it that is simply a bunch of crap…….some of you have just lost your common sense

[jimjamuser]

Stop it that is simply a bunch of crap…….some of you have just lost your common sense
I have to say that my "common sense" is WELL above average. If scientists find a way to measure that like IQ, I would love to defend a challenge like that. And there are 7 stages of grief and now 7 stages of Covid as explained in a wonderful thread starter. God loves his hospital staff personnel and especially that Respiratory Therapist from L.A.

[Eg_cruz]

That is what both my son say, it is disappointing that two highly educated young people would “take a chance” when a safe effective vaccine is available.

What is even more unfathomable to me is we have people that would take a horse worm medication (no human trials) over a proven safe and effective vaccine.

You just can’t fix stupid, IMHO.
Well it really not 100% safe now is it.
My close friend daughter is a dancer for Disney so had to get vax for work…….she was a very healthy young lady and since her first shot she has been to the ER 3 times with heart issues……….so safe you say.
And I don’t care what FDA, CDC and WHO and our President says.
I go by what I know with true cases. I have a lot of people who have had and deal with side effects from vax and have come down with Covid after being fully vax
Can we just stop all the false info

[John Mayes]

Sad. Empathy has DIED and "greed is good" has taken its place!

Please enlighten me on your response to my post.

[golfing eagles]

Well it really not 100% safe now is it.
My close friend daughter is a dancer for Disney so had to get vax for work…….she was a very healthy young lady and since her first shot she has been to the ER 3 times with heart issues……….so safe you say.
And I don’t care what FDA, CDC and WHO and our President says.
I go by what I know with true cases. I have a lot of people who have had and deal with side effects from vax and have come down with Covid after being fully vax
Can we just stop all the false info

Well it really not 100% safe now is it.

***No, just 99+% safe

I go by what I know with true cases. I have a lot of people who have had and deal with side effects from vax and have come down with Covid after being fully vax

***Let's ignore the tens of thousands in the studies and the hundreds of millions vaccinated and go by "I have a lot of people"

Can we just stop all the false info

***Yes, you can

And I don’t care what FDA, CDC and WHO and our President says.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

UPDATE on the third arm sticking out of my belly: it's doing great. I'm eagerly awaiting the third jab so I can get a fourth arm out my back. That way I can turn around really fast and be a human windmill, and power my home.

Or slap someone four times in rapid succession without tiring out a single hand.

I'm fine with either option, not gonna lie.

[JMintzer]

YAAAY!

Another vaccination thread that will change exactly no one's mind...

I thought the moderators said no more of these threads...

[twinklesweep]

Most unvaccinated people who get Covid do not go to the hospital and recover just fine. No one wants to hear that though

This may very well be true, and thoughtful people hear it--and evaluate it for what it's worth. But is it meant to be a smokescreen to hide the reality of what is taking place in hospitals throughout the country as described by the OP? Is the reality that the vast majority of stricken and dying Covid patients are unvaccinated to be denied or ignored, just because many Covid patients--vaccinated AND unvaccinated--do recover? What a tragedy--and we are far from being finished with Covid , just as Covid is far from being finished with us....

[jimjamuser]

Well it really not 100% safe now is it.
My close friend daughter is a dancer for Disney so had to get vax for work…….she was a very healthy young lady and since her first shot she has been to the ER 3 times with heart issues……….so safe you say.
And I don’t care what FDA, CDC and WHO and our President says.
I go by what I know with true cases. I have a lot of people who have had and deal with side effects from vax and have come down with Covid after being fully vax
Can we just stop all the false info
A few friends and a "so-called lot of people" does NOT compare to the RIGOROUS work done by the CDC and the FDA to ensure the GREATEST possible safety before getting ANY vaccine out to the public. Those few "I know people"-type people are statistically like an N of NOTHING. The main important statistic is that 99% of the CV DEATHS are from UNvaccinated people. Many of them have begged from their hospital beds of their friends and family members, "get your **** shots!"

[Boomer]

Point of clarification before that post misinforms even more people:

Vaccinated people who have breakthrough and carry the virus can have viral loads equal to the unvaccinated. HOWEVER, the percentage of those vaccinated people carrying the virus is very, very low. A number of posts that refer to "viral load" are making it sound like just as many vaccinated people are running around with the same viral load as the unvaccinated. That is far, far from true. It's sort of like stating that fully clothed people who contract poison ivy in the woods have exactly the same lesions as naked people who ran through the woods without stating that 95% of the naked people got poison ivy while only 0.1% of the clothed did. Which group do you think will need the most calamine lotion?


Hey, golfing eagles, MD,,

I gotta hand it to you. That thing you wrote about the buck nekkid v. the full clothed running through the poison ivy is a terrific analogy.

But then there is the imagery. . .:eek:. . .Oh well, anyway, that's some seriously good wordsmithing you just did. Makes your point perfectly.

Thanks.

Boomer


. . .And, hey, Mintzer, stop trying to get this thread shut down. I know it is turning into a lot of the usual, but I want to address my original post from a different angle, and I don't have time right now.

So let it ride. Don't cry, "foul" -- because it is not. And, btw, I like your new picture. That's a great haircut.

Boomer, again

[JMintzer]

Hey, golfing eagles, MD,,

I gotta hand it to you. That thing you wrote about the buck nekkid v. the full clothed running through the poison ivy is a terrific analogy.

But then there is the imagery. . .:eek:. . .Oh well, anyway, that's some seriously good wordsmithing you just did. Makes your point perfectly.

Thanks.

Boomer


. . .And, hey, Mintzer, stop trying to get this thread shut down. I know it is turning into a lot of the usual, but I want to address my original post from a different angle, and I don't have time right now.

So let it ride. Don't cry, "foul" -- because it is not. And, btw, I like your new picture. That's a great haircut.

Boomer, again

Are they any angles left?

[Reiver]

Why does an internet search for Karen Gallardo ONLY turn up this opinion piece submitted to the Los Angeles Times as an editorial?

Also, cancer is not a virus. Good luck finding that vaccine.

#TwoWeeksToFlattenTheCurve

[golfing eagles]

Why does an internet search for Karen Gallardo ONLY turn up this opinion piece submitted to the Los Angeles Times as an editorial?

Also, cancer is not a virus. Good luck finding that vaccine.

#TwoWeeksToFlattenTheCurve

Google "gardasil"

[jimjamuser]

Well it really not 100% safe now is it.

***No, just 99+% safe

I go by what I know with true cases. I have a lot of people who have had and deal with side effects from vax and have come down with Covid after being fully vax

***Let's ignore the tens of thousands in the studies and the hundreds of millions vaccinated and go by "I have a lot of people"

Can we just stop all the false info

***Yes, you can

And I don’t care what FDA, CDC and WHO and our President says.
Great post! Alabama has more deaths than births for the 1st time ever - a record brought about by the people like the one in that picture UNDER the graveyard marker. And a sendoff with so much PAIN. But, he/she like so many Alabamians showed "those government stooges" how to have "free spirit" and how to die for that GREAT CAUSE of.........now what was that cause again? Oh yeah, it goes something like - reject empathy for other humans and think about only themselves.......yeah, that free will. But, write out that paper WILL 1st before you go to your anti-vaxxer meetings.

Maybe that US overpopulation situation is SELF-CORRECTING. An old-timey great philosopher once said something like - wars and pestulance will keep the world's population in check!

[jimjamuser]

Hey, golfing eagles, MD,,

I gotta hand it to you. That thing you wrote about the buck nekkid v. the full clothed running through the poison ivy is a terrific analogy.

But then there is the imagery. . .:eek:. . .Oh well, anyway, that's some seriously good wordsmithing you just did. Makes your point perfectly.

Thanks.

Boomer


. . .And, hey, Mintzer, stop trying to get this thread shut down. I know it is turning into a lot of the usual, but I want to address my original post from a different angle, and I don't have time right now.

So let it ride. Don't cry, "foul" -- because it is not. And, btw, I like your new picture. That's a great haircut.

Boomer, again
I wholeheartedly agree with that post. Boomerperson for king of the world! All hail the king!

[JMintzer]

Great post! Alabama has more deaths than births for the 1st time ever - a record brought about by the people like the one in that picture UNDER the graveyard marker. And a sendoff with so much PAIN. But, he/she like so many Alabamians showed "those government stooges" how to have "free spirit" and how to die for that GREAT CAUSE of.........now what was that cause again? Oh yeah, it goes something like - reject empathy for other humans and think about only themselves.......yeah, that free will. But, write out that paper WILL 1st before you go to your anti-vaxxer meetings.

Maybe that US overpopulation situation is SELF-CORRECTING. An old-timey great philosopher once said something like - wars and pestulance will keep the world's population in check!

Why did you single out Alabama?

It happened in multiple states... We have an aging population...

https://carsey.unh.edu/sites/default/files/styles/wysiwyg_image_max_width/public/media/2021/05/us2015statenatchange2020_5_3_2021notitlenosource-final_updated.jpg?itok=pLRO_cKd

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Google "gardasil"

Gardasil doesn't "prevent cancer". It prevents HPV - human papilloma virus. HPV isn't cancer. It's a virus (thus, the V in HPV). HPV is the leading cause of cervical cancer, but doesn't always cause it. In fact, most adult woman have, or have had at some point in their lives, HPV, and most of them haven't ever had cervical cancer. In addition, there are women who have (or had) cervical cancer but didn't (don't) have HPV.

[lkagele]

Point of clarification before that post misinforms even more people:

Vaccinated people who have breakthrough and carry the virus can have viral loads equal to the unvaccinated. HOWEVER, the percentage of those vaccinated people carrying the virus is very, very low. A number of posts that refer to "viral load" are making it sound like just as many vaccinated people are running around with the same viral load as the unvaccinated. That is far, far from true. It's sort of like stating that fully clothed people who contract poison ivy in the woods have exactly the same lesions as naked people who ran through the woods without stating that 95% of the naked people got poison ivy while only 0.1% of the clothed did. Which group do you think will need the most calamine lotion?

So far the % is low but strangely, everyone I personally know that has contracted COVID has been previously vaccinated including my granddaughter. All had fairly minor cases and recovered nicely. All anecdotal I know but it makes me view the vaccine more as an effective therapeutic.

[lkagele]

Well it really not 100% safe now is it.

***No, just 99+% safe.

I still think there has been a lack of a risk/benefit analysis. Our age bracket, vaccine certainly makes sense and the risk from vaccine is less than the risk from COVID.

Younger generations, I'm not so sure.

[Boomer]

This Covid surge is like that ad for Jaws 2 with that bumpa, bumpa, bumpa music in the background -- and the guy would say, "Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water."

We boomers and beyond will not be taking the rap for this one.

As I said in the intro I wrote for the Op-Ed piece that started this thread, I have friends who are heartbroken because their adult children refuse to get the vaccine, not to protect themselves and not even to protect their own children by adding a layer of protection for them, and not to protect their own parents. And the parents, our age, are left feeling, "So. What am I? Chopped liver?"

Yes. They try hard to accept what their kids are saying and doing. But this one is beyond just disagreement. This one is skewing family relationships.

At first I thought about what could be the common denominator affecting the boomer-spawn that is making them act this way. But then I came to the conclusion that it's a spectrum -- a range of reasons.

I think the fact that the boomers' offspring were early adapters to screens is a factor.

I remember a study when they were children that said they were far more influenced by their friends than by their parents. Of course, now their friends, or pretend friends, are available 24/7 online.

Or is it because of that everybody gets a trophy routine that made them think they were the center of the universe?

What is it?

Our little family is all vaccinated and as completely mystified as I am by the behavior of some of those around us -- well, not so much around us for now -- we are avoiding them -- and I don't like doing that.

We are living our lives, not huddled in our houses, but it bothers me to make my world smaller. But I do.

I hope this will not turn into a link-fest. Families and friendships are hurting. Any thoughts on generational influences? I know the boomer-offspring are not any smarter than us -- well, except for that thing about not wanting china or silver or crystal. That's pretty smart.

Boomer

[Topspinmo]

And most people who smoke don't get lung cancer

But, when the die it’s cause they smoked due to lung issues that cause respiratory failure.

[Carlsondm]

OR…… BECAUSE WE LIVE IN FL…..YOU CAN HAVE THESE STAGES OF COVID

Stage 1: out of nowhere your hit with a headache, fever and a burning cough
Stage 2: you take a home Covid test……it’s positive……
Stage 3: you go online and register for monoclonal antibodies treatment at Barn Storm….you get in that day
Stage 4: you choose between IV or 4 shots…..if you have symptoms go for the IV it works faster
Stage 5: you go home call your doctor for a phone apt, your doctor orders a ZPac and prednisone
Stage 6: you stay home for 10 days, take your medicine, get rest, drink tons of water and take a short walk every day
Stage 7: on day 11 you feel good you may still have a small cough but all and all the monoclonal did it’s job.
Stage 8: now you have Natural immunity not a leaky shot immunity, the chances of get Covid again are very very slim……unlike all the breakthrough cases

No I don’t wish Covid on anyone but there are ways to walk through this without getting really sick. FYI the infusion is for anyone vax and non-vax a like.

I am so over everyone trying to push their beliefs on others and if you think that vax people don’t get really sick and even die you are sadly missed informed

This vax vs non-vax is worse then the election……..stop the hate and just do YOU
Good that you have a plan. We hope it works for you. I’ll bet you plan a trip to the hospital if things go wrong. This is the situation the health care workers don’t want.

You chose to go rogue. That is ok. Part of that choice should be to give up your priority in the hospitals. Too many of the unvaxed are in ICU. Did they not get Mca in time? Maybe they missed that part of the plan. That is why the vaccine is a big deal.

Personally, I have your plan and the vaccine in my plan. I will gamble with my money, but not so with my life.

[tvbound]

I wholeheartedly agree with that post. Boomerperson for king of the world! All hail the king!

He has my vote for King. Love his posts.

[brick010207]

You ought to be ashamed!!!

[twinklesweep]

YAAAY!

Another vaccination thread that will change exactly no one's mind.

Agreed. The mind changer will be when it hits home.

[brick010207]

Population of Denmark = LESS THAN 6 million

Good for Denmark. NYC has a larger population.
It is rumored that The Villages has a vaccination rate of around 85%.
CV is NOT gaining in strength. It has gained in the infection rate.

Since we have millions flowing into our country via the Southern border, we must make room for them, so Covid is working slowly but fairly efficiently. After all, with Global Warming :1rotfl: the tree huggers should be very happy. Less bodies to produce flatulence.
Second Try: You ought to be ashamed!

[Janet1946]

I have never done a cut-and-paste from a published article, but that's the only way I could do this. Unlike other cut-and-pastes I have seen that often do not cite the source, I will do so. . .

This is what is known to research as a primary source. Primary sources are defined as first-hand accounts of a topic by people who had a connection with it.

The following article was published in the Op-Ed section of the LA Times, August 26, 2021. The writer is Karen Gallardo, a respiratory therapist at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.

(In spite of the disagreements we Villagers can have sometimes on TOTV, I think most of us have sense enough to have been vaccinated. We duly vaccinated, older and (sometimes) wiser, people do not seem to be the age-group that welcomed Covid back to another rampant run.

I have boomer friends who cannot get their adult children to be vaccinated -- not to protect their own children, not to protect themselves, and not to protect their "old" parents. Family dynamics for some are getting downright weird. . .but. . .I digress.)

Here's the article. Read it and weep.

Boomer


ll.

Karen Gallardo is a respiratory therapist at Commun
________________________________________

My daughter-in-law wouldn't get the vaccine because it wasn't "natural", whatever that means. My son was first in line to get his.

[Swoop]

Awesome, good for you!

Meanwhile, my sister ended up sick as a dog for three months, because of someone JUST LIKE YOU.

The downside is, she -can't- vaccinate because of a bloodclotting disorder. So people JUST LIKE YOU will continue roaming freely, coughing their way through life.

According to the vast majority of studies I’ve read, now I most likely have superior antibodies compared to those who have been vaccinated. My cough is gone and now I’m better protected from variants than you…

[coffeebean]

Great post! Alabama has more deaths than births for the 1st time ever - a record brought about by the people like the one in that picture UNDER the graveyard marker. And a sendoff with so much PAIN. But, he/she like so many Alabamians showed "those government stooges" how to have "free spirit" and how to die for that GREAT CAUSE of.........now what was that cause again? Oh yeah, it goes something like - reject empathy for other humans and think about only themselves.......yeah, that free will. But, write out that paper WILL 1st before you go to your anti-vaxxer meetings.

Maybe that US overpopulation situation is SELF-CORRECTING. An old-timey great philosopher once said something like - wars and pestulance will keep the world's population in check!

Speaking of Alabama. THIS could happen anywhere USA.........

Alabama man dies after being turned away from 43 Covid-filled hospitals | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/alabama-demonia-dies-covid-hospitals-b1918893.html)

[golfing eagles]

Gardasil doesn't "prevent cancer". It prevents HPV - human papilloma virus. HPV isn't cancer. It's a virus (thus, the V in HPV). HPV is the leading cause of cervical cancer, but doesn't always cause it. In fact, most adult woman have, or have had at some point in their lives, HPV, and most of them haven't ever had cervical cancer. In addition, there are women who have (or had) cervical cancer but didn't (don't) have HPV.

Are you asking me or telling me????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[drducat]

I am aware of all this. Fact remains, the exact formula that makes up the Pfizer vaccine, under another name, has full FDA approval.

Yes but that will not hold up in court.

[graciegirl]

Are you asking me or telling me????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I think she was telling ME.

My dear friend Ruthie used the Yiddish word kvetch when people became annoyed over nothing.

Or having the last word. I miss Ruthie so much. She was our next door neighbor and she died of cancer.

My point was only to say that a vaccine against one form of cancer does exist.

My personal belief is that we will have more wins against cancer in all of it's form in the future because very smart scientists have unlocked the human genome and we understand more and more about how our bodies fight disease.

I am from Ohio where I was taught you can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar.

[graciegirl]

I wholeheartedly agree with that post. Boomerperson for king of the world! All hail the king!

Again, I applaud Boomer's post. It has really placed this in perspective. So needed. Excellent.

But Boomer is a woman. She is a retired teacher from Cincinnati. She is a very smart woman.

[golfing eagles]

I think she was telling me.

My dear friend Ruthie used to call it being a Kvetch.

Or having the last word. I miss Ruthie so much. She was our next door neighbor and she died of cancer.

My point was only to say that a vaccine against one form of cancer does exist.

My personal belief is that we will have more wins against cancer in all of it's form in the future because very smart scientists have unlocked the human genome and we understand more and more about how our bodies fight disease.

I am from Ohio where I was taught you can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar.

She actually quoted my post. She just didn't realize that I simply jumped from "A" (HPV vaccine) to "C" (cervical cancer prevention) without the full explanation. I very much doubt she didn't think I knew what Gardasil was.

[graciegirl]

She actually quoted my post. She just didn't realize that I simply jumped from "A" (HPV vaccine) to "C" (cervical cancer prevention) without the full explanation. I very much doubt she didn't think I knew what Gardasil was.

I know. But before you pointed it out, so did I. I too said that young teens have been routinely vaccinated against HPV since 2006. It was among other things to stop Cervical cancer. Scroll back.



I am very grateful for your expert advice.

[Eg_cruz]

Good that you have a plan. We hope it works for you. I’ll bet you plan a trip to the hospital if things go wrong. This is the situation the health care workers don’t want.

You chose to go rogue. That is ok. Part of that choice should be to give up your priority in the hospitals. Too many of the unvaxed are in ICU. Did they not get Mca in time? Maybe they missed that part of the plan. That is why the vaccine is a big deal.

Personally, I have your plan and the vaccine in my plan. I will gamble with my money, but not so with my life.
It worked great…….

[golfing eagles]

It worked great…….

Glad to hear it, stay healthy.

Unfortunately, on a larger scale (like more than 1 person:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:), that strategy falls somewhere between:

"I'd rather be lucky than good" and
"Momma always said stupid is as stupid does"

[oneclickplus]

well it really not 100% safe now is it.

***no, just 99+% safe

"99%" is on both sides of this. 99.7% of people (without the mRNA shot) when exposed to covid will fully recover. The end result is natural immunity and no mRNA. People can choose which "99%" side they wish to be on. As a medical professional, your bias is obvious. If you're holding a hammer (ie prescription pad or scalpel), everything starts to look like a nail. Sometimes another tool is more appropriate as other doctors have demonstrated first hand ... HCQ with zinc works extremely well if started early instead of the medical industry's only treatment offer of "go home and isolate yourself ... allow the virus to run its course ... and come back via an ambulance when you are sicker". Not me. HCQ wiped this virus from me in just a few days. No side effects, no fear of this thing and no mRNA shot.

i go by what i know with true cases. I have a lot of people who have had and deal with side effects from vax and have come down with covid after being fully vax

***let's ignore the tens of thousands in the studies and the hundreds of millions vaccinated and go by "i have a lot of people"

can we just stop all the false info

***yes, you can

and i don’t care what fda, cdc and who and our president says.

fyi

[golfing eagles]

fyi

"99%" is on both sides of this. 99.7% of people (without the mRNA shot) when exposed to covid will fully recover. The end result is natural immunity and no mRNA. People can choose which "99%" side they wish to be on. As a medical professional, your bias is obvious. If you're holding a hammer (ie prescription pad or scalpel), everything starts to look like a nail. Sometimes another tool is more appropriate as other doctors have demonstrated first hand ... HCQ with zinc works extremely well if started early instead of the medical industry's only treatment offer of "go home and isolate yourself ... allow the virus to run its course ... and come back via an ambulance when you are sicker". Not me. HCQ wiped this virus from me in just a few days. No side effects, no fear of this thing and no mRNA shot.

So, please continue to "inform" me----WHO are these "doctors"---give me names. If you list the chiefs of medicine at Mass General, Johns Hopkins and Brigham and Women's, I'm all ears. If you list some chiropractor, holistician, or nutritionist on some wacko web site, well,,,,,,,,,

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

According to the vast majority of studies I’ve read, now I most likely have superior antibodies compared to those who have been vaccinated. My cough is gone and now I’m better protected from variants than you…

Actually no, you're not. I was exposed to COVID-19 for the better part of a year, on a regular basis. I got the vaccine only after people my age were authorized to get one, in April.

I was already immune. I got the vaccine anyway "just to make sure." I've been better protected than you all along. But I might have passed it to you at any time. I wouldn't know, because I haven't experienced any symptoms and didn't care enough to get tested. I masked, but masks aren't foolproof. I social distanced, but I might have sneezed once or twice in front of other people.

I did everything I felt was the right thing to do, and I stayed healthy throughout. If I got you sick because you chose not to do the right thing, well - woops.

[KRMACK55]

Boomer, my daughter considers the vaccine a “medical procedure”. She would rather leave the country if mandatory vaccinations, than get vaccinated. Both of her parents taught at university and she also attended. Both of her parents are even ready for the booster so it is not our example. I have learned to respect her choice … with a broken heart. I pray and hope I never have to face the day when she will say to me, “Mom, I’ve tested positive”. If you have any words of wisdom for me, I am really listening.
Your daughter is correct and it’s heartening to see some folks looking at research rather than greedy talking heads !! Fear fear fear - no more

[MDLNB]

The total population of Denmark does NOT MATTER in any way when you express the PERCENTAGE of the population that is vaccinated. That is why I bothered to put in %. The point is that Denmark is full of ROCKET SCIENTISTS compared to the US, which has a high % of illiterates that won't bother to study Medical Science, when foxy Loxcy and Qanon and other dark sites have STOLEN their minds!
.......And I agree that the southern border could cause a surge from UNvaccinated alien "tourists".


Sorry but I have to call BS on that.

The Villages has YOUR 86% or more vaccination rate. Still don't know why you hate your own country so much that you consistently cut it down and brag about how great all the other countries that you have never lived in is. Ever heard of the saying that the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. I don't see such a great migration of Americans moving to those "other" countries that you incessantly brag about.
Some folks on here serve nothing more than to prove they are UN-convincing know it alls.

[golfing eagles]

Your daughter is correct and it’s heartening to see some folks looking at research rather than greedy talking heads !! Fear fear fear - no more

Do you run this forum ? There is a group here of people who are on everyday ! Mostly the east coast, aggressive judgemental and petty. Villages Florida friendliest home town is not friendly and it’s too crowded with more like you every day.

No, her daughter is 100% wrong, as are you

As far as the second post goes, HOW DARE YOU? Not only did you insult a very nice and wise lady who has dealt with a special needs child for 50+ years, you managed to insult everyone from the "east coast". Give me the East Coast over the nut jobs on the West Coast any time.

[lkagele]

Actually no, you're not. I was exposed to COVID-19 for the better part of a year, on a regular basis. I got the vaccine only after people my age were authorized to get one, in April.

I was already immune. I got the vaccine anyway "just to make sure." I've been better protected than you all along. But I might have passed it to you at any time. I wouldn't know, because I haven't experienced any symptoms and didn't care enough to get tested. I masked, but masks aren't foolproof. I social distanced, but I might have sneezed once or twice in front of other people.

I did everything I felt was the right thing to do, and I stayed healthy throughout. If I got you sick because you chose not to do the right thing, well - woops.

So glad I've finally found that one superior person that knows what is the right thing to do. Perhaps you should post more moral imperatives on multiple subjects so all can know they are doing the right thing.

I don't think any of us should be condescending to others that, for valid personal reasons, make different medical decisions that we chose to make. Nor should we be cavalier in our sympathies if something goes wrong. But that's just me.....

[tvbound]

No, her daughter is 100% wrong, as are you

As far as the second post goes, HOW DARE YOU? Not only did you insult a very nice and wise lady who has dealt with a special needs child for 50+ years, you managed to insult everyone from the "east coast". Give me the East Coast over the nut jobs on the West Coast any time.

"Give me the East Coast over the nut jobs on the West Coast any time."

Taking issue with insulting those from the East Coast is totally understandable, but then doing the same exact thing to those on the West Coast - seems pretty hypocritical to me.

[Wyseguy]

They hurt me because I do NOT live in Denmark or New Zealand or any other low UNvacinated country, which have returned to NORMAL. The US is desperately NOT NORMAL because of the anti-vaxxers. That's why!!!!!!!!


Not really Jim. Perhaps you need to look elsewhere to see why your life today is Not Normal. Once again, the science shows that you run as much a risk from the unvaccinated as you do the vaccinated.

[graciegirl]

Your daughter is correct and it’s heartening to see some folks looking at research rather than greedy talking heads !! Fear fear fear - no more

I think it is fear that is causing a lot of reluctance of people to get vaccinated against Covid.

I am thinking that not everyone has the same life experiences. Some of us have faced illness more than others and hospitalizations more than others and surgeries more than others either personally or with a family member.

Some people have been very fortunate not to need to have a lot of interaction with the medical community.

I do believe that some people fear medicine of any kind and some have a fear of shots too. (nobody likes shots, but some get light headed and dizzy)

The vaccine for Covid from Pfizer and Moderna are using MRNA technology rather than using weakened or dead cells. Many are frightened that this will somehow alter their own DNA and cause frightening and unwanted side effects and possibly cause people to give birth to children who will be damaged. Some fear long term effects from the vaccine itself and true reports from many showing people getting very strong effects of fatigue and even mental fog and pain have aided those fears.

Many people are comfortable enough to get the vaccine but there are those who truly are uncomfortable and afraid. Being ridiculed and criticized isn't going to help at all.

Not at all.

We are not all born alike with exactly the same way to approach problems. We all have different skill sets and different life experiences. Now many do not have the benefit of being raised by a parent who is extremely interested in educating them from the moment they are born and who imparts the wisdom they have accumulated and the small child will trust the source. Many small children are being raised by people that their parents would not trust with their car keys.

We have a different world. Little ones are not getting a lot of information the same way that we did.

I am sick of all the anonymous people putting others down on this forum and in many online places.

You cannot make anyone more aware or help them by insulting them.

[Wyseguy]

Actually no, you're not. I was exposed to COVID-19 for the better part of a year, on a regular basis. I got the vaccine only after people my age were authorized to get one, in April.

I was already immune. I got the vaccine anyway "just to make sure." I've been better protected than you all along. But I might have passed it to you at any time. I wouldn't know, because I haven't experienced any symptoms and didn't care enough to get tested. I masked, but masks aren't foolproof. I social distanced, but I might have sneezed once or twice in front of other people.

I did everything I felt was the right thing to do, and I stayed healthy throughout. If I got you sick because you chose not to do the right thing, well - woops.

You carry similar viral loads of covid as does a non vaccinated person. I am as likely to get the delta variant from a vaccinated person as I am a non vaccinated person. Ut is beyond time we must do what we need that is best for us, and stop trying to force people to do what we want.

[John Mayes]

"Give me the East Coast over the nut jobs on the West Coast any time."

Taking issue with insulting those from the East Coast is totally understandable, but then doing the same exact thing to those on the West Coast - seems pretty hypocritical to me.

Agree. I find it rude and very condescending to insult someone simply based on the part of the country they are from. I grew up in the south and was always sensitive to the insulting comments that others made because they evidently felt superior being from someplace other than the south. Since college, I have lived all over the US and have found no region better or worse than others.

[MDLNB]

Again, I applaud Boomer's post. It has really placed this in perspective. So needed. Excellent.

But Boomer is a woman. She is a retired teacher from Cincinnati. She is a very smart woman.


Apparently, in today's world a "king" can be a male or female........:1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

"Give me the East Coast over the nut jobs on the West Coast any time."

Taking issue with insulting those from the East Coast is totally understandable, but then doing the same exact thing to those on the West Coast - seems pretty hypocritical to me.

It was----intentionally so that poster might get the point.

[golfing eagles]

You carry similar viral loads of covid as does a non vaccinated person. I am as likely to get the delta variant from a vaccinated person as I am a non vaccinated person. Ut is beyond time we must do what we need that is best for us, and stop trying to force people to do what we want.

I'm sorry, but 6 pages ago on this thread you posted the same ridiculous claim regarding "viral loads" and chances of getting COVID from a vaccinated person. So now, 6 pages later, you will get the same response:

Point of clarification before that post misinforms even more people:

Vaccinated people who have breakthrough and carry the virus can have viral loads equal to the unvaccinated. HOWEVER, the percentage of those vaccinated people carrying the virus is very, very low. A number of posts that refer to "viral load" are making it sound like just as many vaccinated people are running around with the same viral load as the unvaccinated. That is far, far from true. It's sort of like stating that fully clothed people who contract poison ivy in the woods have exactly the same lesions as naked people who ran through the woods without stating that 95% of the naked people got poison ivy while only 0.1% of the clothed did. Which group do you think will need the most calamine lotion?

[Swoop]

Actually no, you're not. I was exposed to COVID-19 for the better part of a year, on a regular basis. I got the vaccine only after people my age were authorized to get one, in April.

I was already immune. I got the vaccine anyway "just to make sure." I've been better protected than you all along. But I might have passed it to you at any time. I wouldn't know, because I haven't experienced any symptoms and didn't care enough to get tested. I masked, but masks aren't foolproof. I social distanced, but I might have sneezed once or twice in front of other people.

I did everything I felt was the right thing to do, and I stayed healthy throughout. If I got you sick because you chose not to do the right thing, well - woops.
You were “already immune to Covid”?!? Just because you were “exposed” to Covid previously and didn’t get it, doesn’t make you immune!
🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

[Spalumbos62]

There's a little word you missed, that turns it into something that makes sense. The word is "as."

The vaccine is not AS effective against the delta variant, AS it is against the original strains.

It's a comparative, I won't insult your intelligence by explaining to you the parts of English grammar. You can look that stuff up yourself.

Why so nasty and rude????

[Spalumbos62]

⁹I’m all for the Regeneron treatment for anyone who qualifies for it. It is a wonderful thing that there is a treatment that works for Covid.

Does this Regeneron treatment have FULL FDA APPROVAL like the Pfizer vaccine does? Just wondering.


It surprises me that non vaxers would use the regeneron treatment... isn't that going against all they believe and preach...how convenient.

[coffeebean]

If it makes her/him a bit less frustrated, they should read the study that shows "Covid Hospitalizations are overstated by 50%. If someone goes to ICU with burst appendix, they get tested for covid. If positive they are counted as a covid patient.
If this is the way “the system” is counting the amount of occupied ICU beds, then this data is as skewed at the number of Covid deaths.

[Weiserj]

How did you get meds and which ones ahead of time?

[coffeebean]

THIS IS ACCURATE.
i am a retired PA and my daughter is a hospitalist who could have written it.

There is no doubt in my mind that the OP described a very accurate scenario. Respiratory therapists are right there on the front lines along with doctors and nurses that are dealing with this every day. I thank every one of them for their dedication and skills.

[coffeebean]

Didn't they report that the vaccine was not effective against the delta variant?
Just the opposite. The Moderna vaccine actually is faring better than the Pfizer vaccine with a real life efficiency that remains in the high 80s to 90s percent and those percentages do include the Delta variant.

I figure my immunity is in the high 80s at this point because of my age but that is just a gut feeling I have. I had a “kick ass” side effect after my second Moderna shot so I know my immune system works very well. Now I’m beginning to reconsider getting the booster so soon. I have to discuss the booster with my PCP, hopefully today.

[JMintzer]

Just the opposite. The Moderna vaccine actually is faring better than the Pfizer vaccine with a real life efficiency that remains in the high 80s to 90s percent and those percentages do include the Delta variant.

I figure my immunity is in the high 80s at this point because of my age but that is just a gut feeling I have. I had a “kick ass” side effect after my second Moderna shot so I know my immune system works very well. Now I’m beginning to reconsider getting the booster so soon. I have to discuss the booster with my PCP, hopefully today.

Well, considering neither the FDA, nor the CDC nor Moderna has approved/recommended an booster yet...

[graciegirl]

Well, considering neither the FDA, nor the CDC nor Moderna has approved/recommended an booster yet...

F.D.A. Panel Recommends Pfizer Boosters for Those Over 65 or at Risk - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/17/us/politics/fda-pfizer-booster-covid.html)

Three people we know have received them already.

[SkBlogW]

I'm sorry, but 6 pages ago on this thread you posted the same ridiculous claim regarding "viral loads" and chances of getting COVID from a vaccinated person. So now, 6 pages later, you will get the same response:

Point of clarification before that post misinforms even more people:

Vaccinated people who have breakthrough and carry the virus can have viral loads equal to the unvaccinated. HOWEVER, the percentage of those vaccinated people carrying the virus is very, very low. A number of posts that refer to "viral load" are making it sound like just as many vaccinated people are running around with the same viral load as the unvaccinated. That is far, far from true. It's sort of like stating that fully clothed people who contract poison ivy in the woods have exactly the same lesions as naked people who ran through the woods without stating that 95% of the naked people got poison ivy while only 0.1% of the clothed did. Which group do you think will need the most calamine lotion?

HOWEVER, the percentage of those vaccinated people carrying the virus is very, very low.

"Very very low?" Not according to the CDC

Among the 469 cases in Massachusetts residents, 346 (74%) occurred in persons who were fully vaccinated; of these, 301 (87%) were male, with a median age of 42 years. Vaccine products received by persons experiencing breakthrough infections were Pfizer-BioNTech (159; 46%), Moderna (131; 38%), and Janssen (56; 16%); among fully vaccinated persons in the Massachusetts general population, 56% had received Pfizer-BioNTech, 38% had received Moderna, and 7% had received Janssen vaccine products. Among persons with breakthrough infection, 274 (79%) reported signs or symptoms, with the most common being cough, headache, sore throat, myalgia, and fever.


79% percent does not sound very very low to me.

Outbreak of SARS-CoV-2 Infections, Including COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Infections, Associated with Large Public Gatherings — Barnstable County, Massachusetts, July 2021 | MMWR (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm)

[SkBlogW]

Actually no, you're not. I was exposed to COVID-19 for the better part of a year, on a regular basis. I got the vaccine only after people my age were authorized to get one, in April.

I was already immune. I got the vaccine anyway "just to make sure." I've been better protected than you all along. But I might have passed it to you at any time. I wouldn't know, because I haven't experienced any symptoms and didn't care enough to get tested. I masked, but masks aren't foolproof. I social distanced, but I might have sneezed once or twice in front of other people.

I did everything I felt was the right thing to do, and I stayed healthy throughout. If I got you sick because you chose not to do the right thing, well - woops.

Sorry but unless you have proof that you actually contracted covid, the above is totally wrong. Saying you "were exposed" to covid is not the same thing as saying "I have natural immunity as a covid survivor"

This data from Israel shows the relative percentages of protection for various categories ( unvaxed, vaxed 6 months ago, vaxed recently, vaxed plus booster, covid survivor, covid survivor plus booster)

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[Geodyssey]

Where did you get the "FAR more deaths and illness" information? The numbers I can find indicate about 300,000 deaths per year from obesity which is about 1/2 the number of deaths attributed to COVID.

When the "fat slobs" fill the hospital beds and cause a problem for me and my family I will worry about it.

When the "fat slobs" infect me and my family and cause us to be fat slobs too then I will worry about it.

And in answer to your other question, when the "fat slobs" impact the health care system and society in general in the same way the unvaccinated are today, THEN it might make sense for the Govt. to issue mandates. For obesity, that is not the case today and it hasn't been the case in the past. For the unvaccinated it most certainly is.

Wrong. Anyone can do a little research and find that obesity is far more costly in terms of $ and death than covid. Especially when you consider that obesity (along with age) is a major factor in covid deaths.

Not fat = longer, happier life.

If you want to get vaccinates, go for it. If it's effective, why should you care if people are unvaccinated. In other words, mind your own business and keep out of mine.

People should do their own research re: deats from obesity vs covid. But covid has become a religion so facts are becoming irrelevant. True believers are going to believe. It's now faith-based with fat nurses as priests.

Less than 400 Americans under age 18 have died from covid. And those are probably inflated numbers too.

[Geodyssey]

How do the unvaccinated hurt you? Following the science, the vaccinated carry as much of a viral load as the unvaccinated. People need to stop the bullying.

It's a now a crusade for many of the vaccinated. The unvaccinated must be converted, by word or sword.

Did you see the Australian cops pepper-spraying the 70-year old lady while she lay helpless on the ground?

Soon...

[Geodyssey]

The total population of Denmark does NOT MATTER in any way when you express the PERCENTAGE of the population that is vaccinated. That is why I bothered to put in %. The point is that Denmark is full of ROCKET SCIENTISTS compared to the US, which has a high % of illiterates that won't bother to study Medical Science, when foxy Loxcy and Qanon and other dark sites have STOLEN their minds!
.......And I agree that the southern border could cause a surge from UNvaccinated alien "tourists".

Most Americans are confused by percentages. And geography.

[golfing eagles]

HOWEVER, the percentage of those vaccinated people carrying the virus is very, very low.

"Very very low?" Not according to the CDC

Among the 469 cases in Massachusetts residents, 346 (74%) occurred in persons who were fully vaccinated; of these, 301 (87%) were male, with a median age of 42 years. Vaccine products received by persons experiencing breakthrough infections were Pfizer-BioNTech (159; 46%), Moderna (131; 38%), and Janssen (56; 16%); among fully vaccinated persons in the Massachusetts general population, 56% had received Pfizer-BioNTech, 38% had received Moderna, and 7% had received Janssen vaccine products. Among persons with breakthrough infection, 274 (79%) reported signs or symptoms, with the most common being cough, headache, sore throat, myalgia, and fever.


79% percent does not sound very very low to me.

Outbreak of SARS-CoV-2 Infections, Including COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Infections, Associated with Large Public Gatherings — Barnstable County, Massachusetts, July 2021 | MMWR (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm)

You are quoting data from a single large gathering in a single county in one state that involved less than 500 people. IN NO WAY can that be extrapolated into the hundreds of millions that have been vaccinated. Try again.

[Geodyssey]

I have to say that my "common sense" is WELL above average. If scientists find a way to measure that like IQ, I would love to defend a challenge like that. And there are 7 stages of grief and now 7 stages of Covid as explained in a wonderful thread starter. God loves his hospital staff personnel and especially that Respiratory Therapist from L.A.


Covid vaccination is becoming a religion.

Thanks for helping make my point.

[golfing eagles]

Wrong. Anyone can do a little research and find that obesity is far more costly in terms of $ and death than covid. Especially when you consider that obesity (along with age) is a major factor in covid deaths.

Not fat = longer, happier life.

If you want to get vaccinates, go for it. If it's effective, why should you care if people are unvaccinated. In other words, mind your own business and keep out of mine.

People should do their own research re: deats from obesity vs covid. But covid has become a religion so facts are becoming irrelevant. True believers are going to believe. It's now faith-based with fat nurses as priests.

Less than 400 Americans under age 18 have died from covid. And those are probably inflated numbers too.

And once again:

[Bill14564]

Wrong. Anyone can do a little research and find that obesity is far more costly in terms of $ and death than covid. Especially when you consider that obesity (along with age) is a major factor in covid deaths.

Not fat = longer, happier life.

If you want to get vaccinates, go for it. If it's effective, why should you care if people are unvaccinated. In other words, mind your own business and keep out of mine.

People should do their own research re: deats from obesity vs covid. But covid has become a religion so facts are becoming irrelevant. True believers are going to believe. It's now faith-based with fat nurses as priests.

Less than 400 Americans under age 18 have died from covid. And those are probably inflated numbers too.

If your position is that data from sources that don't fit your opinion are questionable or inflated then I guess you will always be correct.

The 300,000 number for yearly deaths from obesity can be found from multiple sources. The 670,000+ deaths from Covid can be found from multiple sources including JHU and CDC. The 580,000+ excess deaths in 2020 can be found on the CDC pages - they were caused by something and Covid was the biggest "something" happening last year.

Why should I care if people are unvaccinated? I have answered that several times and alluded to it in the response you quoted. Did you read it?

"Research" means significantly more than finding an article the fifth page of a Duck Duck Go search that agrees with your preconceived opinion or copying a forum post from a person who emphatically asserts that they alone are right and all the "so-called scientists" were just part of a conspiracy.

[Geodyssey]

If your position is that data from sources that don't fit your opinion are questionable or inflated then I guess you will always be correct.

The 300,000 number for yearly deaths from obesity can be found from multiple sources. The 670,000+ deaths from Covid can be found from multiple sources including JHU and CDC. The 580,000+ excess deaths in 2020 can be found on the CDC pages - they were caused by something and Covid was the biggest "something" happening last year.

Why should I care if people are unvaccinated? I have answered that several times and alluded to it in the response you quoted. Did you read it?

"Research" means significantly more than finding an article the fifth page of a Duck Duck Go search that agrees with your preconceived opinion or copying a forum post from a person who emphatically asserts that they alone are right and all the "so-called scientists" were just part of a conspiracy.


Now you're just making things up.

Want to be vaccinated? Fine. Now you're good.

People will resist your tyranny / religion.

[Wyseguy]

Sad. Empathy has DIED and "greed is good" has taken its place!

We can also say freedom and personal responsibility have died, and too many are comfortable being told how to think. Perhaps some would feel more comfortable in places like NYC where they treat the people like children and government like parents; bad parents but parents just the same.

[Weiserj]

Dr. Joseph Ladapo, new Florida surgeon general, on COVID: 'We're done with fear' - Washington Times (https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/sep/21/dr-jospeh-ladapo-new-florida-surgeon-general-on-co/?fbclid=IwAR2_N1-IC-kfVepmDmV3DNnEmYygntAbowh9yTgeN8wC0abQHk4sF8gYHX0)

[graciegirl]

We can also say freedom and personal responsibility have died, and too many are comfortable being told how to think. Perhaps some would feel more comfortable in places like NYC where they treat the people like children and government like parents; bad parents but parents just the same.

It appears one person is talking psychology and the other hard science.

They are the same as chalk and cheese.

[Weiserj]

Remdesivir Reduced Risk of Hospitalization When Given to COVID-19 Patients Early: Study (https://m.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/remdesivir-reduced-risk-of-hospitalization-when-given-to-covid-19-patients-early-study_4010494.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-09-22-1&mktids=290d33cbb516cfa629b7303525a695de&est=ebr0mSl7HmSAQhLo4JGF6EWmOv%2BAsLNaLR5yPl3exNFB DdY%2B6AO5oBEzzmC6%2F9w3)

[Wyseguy]

Well it really not 100% safe now is it.

***No, just 99+% safe

I go by what I know with true cases. I have a lot of people who have had and deal with side effects from vax and have come down with Covid after being fully vax

***Let's ignore the tens of thousands in the studies and the hundreds of millions vaccinated and go by "I have a lot of people"

Can we just stop all the false info

***Yes, you can

And I don’t care what FDA, CDC and WHO and our President says.

OK, you say the vaccine is 99% safe, and we are told by the CDC that 99.8+ of those under 65 infected with covid recover fine, I would say it is still a personal choice. What is right for you may not be right for a 30 year old in perfect health. With non vaxxed people presenting the same risk to you as a vaxxed person (Oxford Study), why do you care. Take care of yourself and let others make their own choices.

[Wyseguy]

It's a now a crusade for many of the vaccinated. The unvaccinated must be converted, by word or sword.

Did you see the Australian cops pepper-spraying the 70-year old lady while she lay helpless on the ground?

Soon...

It reminds me of when someone makes a poor choice. They go on a crusade to say everyone must do as they did. Perhaps it makes them feel less foolish if everyone makes the same choice as they did. The threat of covid is wildly different for different people. Depending on age and health, a very reasonable argument can be made not to get the jab.

[graciegirl]

Actually, the thrust of this thread is exactly how people die from Covid.

It is an awful death and for the first time in man's history, people are having to die without their loved ones.

Boomer brought up and excellent subject. Very real and pertinent. Very, very sad indeed.

This can be avoided by getting two shots in your arm.

Pictures in 2020 of hospital ward in Italy with covid patients. - Bing images (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Pictures+in+2020+of+hospital+ward+in+Ital y+with+covid+patients.&form=HDRSC2&first=1&tsc=ImageBasicHover)

[golfing eagles]

OK, you say the vaccine is 99% safe, and we are told by the CDC that 99.8+ of those under 65 infected with covid recover fine, I would say it is still a personal choice.

Until someone puts a gun to your head, it's your choice, of course.

Of course, there are smart choices and stupid choices..........

[Wyseguy]

You are quoting data from a single large gathering in a single county in one state that involved less than 500 people. IN NO WAY can that be extrapolated into the hundreds of millions that have been vaccinated. Try again.

Oxford study showed similar percentage and similar viral loads of the Delta Variant in vax'd and non vax'd.

[graciegirl]

Pictures near NYC of graves dug from Covid deaths. - Bing images (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Pictures%20near%20NYC%20of%20graves%20dug %20%20from%20Covid%20deaths.&qs=n&form=QBIR&sp=-1&pq=pictures%20near%20nyc%20of%20graves%20dug%20fro m%20covid%20deaths.&sc=0-50&cvid=F73D6803D9F2499DAD37C0701CE45FAE&first=1&tsc=ImageBasicHover)

[Wyseguy]

Pictures near NYC of graves dug from Covid deaths. - Bing images (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Pictures%20near%20NYC%20of%20graves%20dug %20%20from%20Covid%20deaths.&qs=n&form=QBIR&sp=-1&pq=pictures%20near%20nyc%20of%20graves%20dug%20fro m%20covid%20deaths.&sc=0-50&cvid=F73D6803D9F2499DAD37C0701CE45FAE&first=1&tsc=ImageBasicHover)

Nothing shows they were for covid patients. The site has been used by the city since the 19th century as a public cemetery for unclaimed people and those whose families can’t afford private burials. I can get photos every month of graves being dug there and bodies buried.It is reports like these, or over reporting covid ICU cases by 50%, or demanding those with natural immunity get the shot, that create mistrust.

[graciegirl]

front page new york times may 24 2020 - Bing (https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=d9D1hcvA&id=7CD35593612678C038F0BD8351DC34361A31F54B&thid=OIP.d9D1hcvALlkTmiamLUy9twAAAA&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fi.guim.co.uk%2fimg%2fmedia% 2f5e6d4adc6e9819d9feab03f4a93920764044cddd%2f0_0_2 268_1361%2fmaster%2f2268.jpg%3fwidth%3d300%26quali ty%3d85%26auto%3dformat%26fit%3dmax%26s%3da8afeaf4 0d4e02f1328ae8d7e6796af2&cdnurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fR.77d 0f585cbc02e59139a26a62d4cbdb7%3frik%3dS%252fUxGjY0 3FGDvQ%26pid%3dImgRaw%26r%3d0&exph=180&expw=300&q=front+page+new+york+times+may+24+2020&simid=608036797955976580&FORM=IRPRST&ck=FCE35A104C5B825CBD459D726300A2DD&selectedIndex=0&idpp=overlayview&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0)

The NYT Front Page - Sunday, May 24, 2020 (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/5/23/1947211/-The-NYT-Front-Page-Sunday-May-24-2020)

[Wyseguy]

I'm sorry, but 6 pages ago on this thread you posted the same ridiculous claim regarding "viral loads" and chances of getting COVID from a vaccinated person. So now, 6 pages later, you will get the same response:

Point of clarification before that post misinforms even more people:

Vaccinated people who have breakthrough and carry the virus can have viral loads equal to the unvaccinated. HOWEVER, the percentage of those vaccinated people carrying the virus is very, very low. A number of posts that refer to "viral load" are making it sound like just as many vaccinated people are running around with the same viral load as the unvaccinated. That is far, far from true. It's sort of like stating that fully clothed people who contract poison ivy in the woods have exactly the same lesions as naked people who ran through the woods without stating that 95% of the naked people got poison ivy while only 0.1% of the clothed did. Which group do you think will need the most calamine lotion?

Please point to a study that says unvaccinated are more likely to carry Delta Covid Viral load vs vaccinated. Dr. Walensky of the CDC explained last month, while the COVID vaccines remain incredibly effective at preventing serious illness and death, “what they cannot do anymore is prevent transmission.”
I disagree with the poison ivy comparison. We KNOW vaccinated people have the same viral load as unvaccinated. Your comparison would suggest there would be lower viral loads in vaccinated (lower lesions in clothed poison ivy victims) Assuming you are equating cloths with vaccine, the vaccinated have the same viral loads as the unvaccinated.

[graciegirl]

Sweden. 2020. showing coffins of people who died from Covid. - Bing images (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Sweden.+2020.+showing+coffins+of+people+w ho+died+from+Covid.&form=HDRSC2&first=1&tsc=ImageHoverTitle)

France is overwhelmed by Covid deaths. 2020 - Bing images (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=France%20is%20overwhelmed%20by%20Covid%20 deaths.%202020&qs=n&form=QBIR&sp=-1&pq=france%20is%20overwhelmed%20by%20covid%20deaths .%202020&sc=0-43&cvid=EF242D3181DE460697DCC80EEF222AF2&first=1&tsc=ImageHoverTitle)


Covid deaths in South America. Hospitals overwhelmed. - Bing images (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Covid+deaths+in+South+America.+Hospitals+ overwhelmed.&go=Search&qs=ds&form=QBIR&first=1&tsc=ImageBasicHover)

[Weiserj]

Need a 4th j-an?
‘He did everything right,’ Oklahoma teacher still contracts COVID-19 despite having three Pfizer shots - NewsBreak (https://www.newsbreakapp.com/n/0c3lAbcB?pd=07PCqmaU&lang=en_US&s=i4)

[Bill14564]

Oxford study showed similar percentage and similar viral loads of the Delta Variant in vax'd and non vax'd.

A vaccinated individual who contracts Covid and dies is just as dead as an unvaccinated individual who contracted Covid and died.

A vaccinated individual who becomes infected with Covid can carry similar viral loads as the unvaccinated individual.

The difference is in the likelihood that a vaccinated individual will become infected in the first place.

The vaccine makes this much less likely - not impossible, but not likely. I believe there have also been studies that show that vaccinated individuals who become infected are contagious for fewer days but I can't find that link right now.

[golfing eagles]

Oxford study showed similar percentage and similar viral loads of the Delta Variant in vax'd and non vax'd.

I educated you 3 times about this already, I am not going to repeat it for a 4th.

[graciegirl]

Access Denied (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article252921513.html)

permanent damage to lungs from covid-19 - Bing images (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=permanent+damage+to+lungs+from+covid-19&form=HDRSC2&first=1&tsc=ImageHoverTitle)

[Wyseguy]

Need a 4th j-an?
‘He did everything right,’ Oklahoma teacher still contracts COVID-19 despite having three Pfizer shots - NewsBreak (https://www.newsbreakapp.com/n/0c3lAbcB?pd=07PCqmaU&lang=en_US&s=i4)

Increases in Coronavirus Cases Are Happening Mainly in States With Stricter COVID-19 Rules
‘He did everything right,’ Oklahoma teacher still contracts COVID-19 despite having three Pfizer shots - NewsBreak (https://www.newsbreak.com/news/2379613432466/he-did-everything-right-oklahoma-teacher-still-contracts-covid-19-despite-having-three-pfizer-shots?s=oldSite&ss=i4)

[Wyseguy]

A vaccinated individual who contracts Covid and dies is just as dead as an unvaccinated individual who contracted Covid and died.

A vaccinated individual who becomes infected with Covid can carry similar viral loads as the unvaccinated individual.

The difference is in the likelihood that a vaccinated individual will become infected in the first place.

The vaccine makes this much less likely - not impossible, but not likely. I believe there have also been studies that show that vaccinated individuals who become infected are contagious for fewer days but I can't find that link right now.


The studies I have read agree with your last statement, that the viral loads are the same for the first 7-8 days, then the vaccinated individual's viral load drops at a faster rate than the unvaccinated for the next three to four days.
As for carrying viral loads, studies I read show both vaccinated and non are equally likely to carry DELTA viral loads, though vaccinated are more likely to be asymptomatic. This could be a greater risk, as they are likely unaware that they are a transmitter. I would think this is why they are saying if you at risk, regardless of the vaccine start to wear your mask again.

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Increases in Coronavirus Cases Are Happening Mainly in States With Stricter COVID-19 Rules
‘He did everything right,’ Oklahoma teacher still contracts COVID-19 despite having three Pfizer shots - NewsBreak (https://www.newsbreak.com/news/2379613432466/he-did-everything-right-oklahoma-teacher-still-contracts-covid-19-despite-having-three-pfizer-shots?s=oldSite&ss=i4)

??? Where did you get that idea?

Is there a site that ranks Covid restrictions? Certainly, California, New Jersey, and New York would rank high on that list but they are among the states with the smallest increase. Florida must be one of the least restrictive states and led the pack with the current surge.