Drunks win – Brownwood Square loses

[jrbeccles]

I am someone, who still after four years of living in the Villages, enjoys going to the Brownwood Square to see a good band. However, I have to say I am getting more wary of doing so. That’s because of the rowdiness and especially as the number of inebriated people at the square continues to grow. When I first started going, on Friday and Saturday nights and when there was a popular band, there were always Sumter police at the square. This always had a calming effect in my opinion, so that there were not waves of jaywalkers, people bumbling around, and you felt safe. However, when they shut down the small police station there, things have become bad. I have not seen a policeman down at the square now for a long time. The number of people who show up drunk at the square has dramatically increased. Last week a drunk (we call him red bandana man) who is at the square repeatedly, and shows up drunk, who staggers across the dance area with people trying to avoid him, finally passed out and fell flat over. The Community Watch (CW) sat him up in a chair and took details and then let him walk off into the sunset. My question is why is this allowed to happen? I know the CW folks have no powers, but their primary job must be to keep Villagers safe. To allow these people to ruin the fun of others is just wrong. Surely they could call the police and have him removed from the area. They should also stop the other drunks, and there are many, staggering into dancers.
Please don’t get me wrong, I enjoy going to the drink shack and buying beers. I think it’s great to have a few adult beverages and sing and dance, but not in what’s becoming a hostile atmosphere. My thoughts are:
1. No disrespect to the CW folks. They do a great job making sure people sit in the right areas and chairs are in the right lines. A not fun job considering what they are getting paid. However it must be safety first – and their bosses need to step in and tell them to call the cops on drunks and have them removed.
2. Where are the police? When you have an event with hundreds of people drinking, and golf carts zooming around avoiding jaywalkers, why don’t they show their presence at least for 15 minutes every hour? Just one cop crossing the square every hour will definitely calm down the drunks, and also the lousy traffic problems.
It’s just a matter of time before some big altercation inside the square, or a pedestrian getting run over.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Public drunk is more or less acceptable in the US. That is very sad. I don't know if public intoxication is illegal in this area, it should be. I have no problem with people that want to get drunk, but they should not inflict themselves on others. And one wonders how they are getting home... that might be very illegal, and deadly.

[Bilyclub]

Brownwood is under the Wildwood Police's jurisdiction. We were at Brownwood when a drunk was causing problems and Wildwood PD was called. The drunk hung around for awhile and left before any police showed up, in fact Wildwood PD never showed. Lady Lake seems to always be at SS and Sumter County has a strong presence at LSL

[Escape Artist]

I am someone, who still after four years of living in the Villages, enjoys going to the Brownwood Square to see a good band. However, I have to say I am getting more wary of doing so. That’s because of the rowdiness and especially as the number of inebriated people at the square continues to grow. When I first started going, on Friday and Saturday nights and when there was a popular band, there were always Sumter police at the square. This always had a calming effect in my opinion, so that there were not waves of jaywalkers, people bumbling around, and you felt safe. However, when they shut down the small police station there, things have become bad. I have not seen a policeman down at the square now for a long time. The number of people who show up drunk at the square has dramatically increased. Last week a drunk (we call him red bandana man) who is at the square repeatedly, and shows up drunk, who staggers across the dance area with people trying to avoid him, finally passed out and fell flat over. The Community Watch (CW) sat him up in a chair and took details and then let him walk off into the sunset. My question is why is this allowed to happen? I know the CW folks have no powers, but their primary job must be to keep Villagers safe. To allow these people to ruin the fun of others is just wrong. Surely they could call the police and have him removed from the area. They should also stop the other drunks, and there are many, staggering into dancers.
Please don’t get me wrong, I enjoy going to the drink shack and buying beers. I think it’s great to have a few adult beverages and sing and dance, but not in what’s becoming a hostile atmosphere. My thoughts are:
1. No disrespect to the CW folks. They do a great job making sure people sit in the right areas and chairs are in the right lines. A not fun job considering what they are getting paid. However it must be safety first – and their bosses need to step in and tell them to call the cops on drunks and have them removed.
2. Where are the police? When you have an event with hundreds of people drinking, and golf carts zooming around avoiding jaywalkers, why don’t they show their presence at least for 15 minutes every hour? Just one cop crossing the square every hour will definitely calm down the drunks, and also the lousy traffic problems.
It’s just a matter of time before some big altercation inside the square, or a pedestrian getting run over.

I don't go there that often, but in the past I have noticed people who've had a few too many and got a little rowdy. In your opinion, are the problematic imbibers Villages residents or non-residents coming there for Happy Hour or to dance, etc.?

[RedChariot]

I believe this is an indication of where The Villages is headed. I have noted a decline in what was once a pristine community to one that is grossly overcrowded with a less desirable population. Drunks passing out in a town square is truly appalling. Doing nothing about it is criminal.

[Taltarzac725]

Disorderly Intoxication- Florida | Definition and Penalties (https://www.husseinandwebber.com/crimes/public-order-obstruction/disorderly-intoxication/)

FYI.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I believe this is an indication of where The Villages is headed. I have noted a decline in what was once a pristine community to one that is grossly overcrowded with a less desirable population. Drunks passing out in a town square is truly appalling. Doing nothing about it is criminal.

I'll take a guess that the *proportion* of disorderly folks isn't all that much changed from 10 years ago. There are more people. Therefore, there are more drunks.

If the proportion is 2:100 and there are only 100 people around, you'll only see 2 disorderly drunk people. But if there are 200 people, that means you'll see 4 disorderly drunk people in the same place.

I'll take another guess that there are actually a lot more than that, it's just that most of them aren't "disorderly."

[EdFNJ]

IMO, the newer south areas seem to have the younger more "rowdier party active" folks and Brownwood is "their" Square so you will likely find more "exuberant partiers" there. Unfortunately it's just going to get more "active" until the new southern square is finished in a year or 2 or 3 or whatever. Brownwood seems to have always been more like that then the rest but is only growing in "density" of visitors as the southern areas fill up fast and the Brownwood area gains more restaurants and businesses.

[Reiver]

Put a little Cross on him while he's sleeping. A lot of people will take action.

[camaguey48]

Put a little Cross on him while he's sleeping. A lot of people will take action.
Especially the clipboard ladies.

[John Mayes]

Especially the clipboard ladies.

Are the “clipboard ladies” real or folklore?

[thevillages2013]

Has anyone seen my red bandanna I can’t remember what I did with it

[maggie1]

Brownwood is under the Wildwood Police's jurisdiction. We were at Brownwood when a drunk was causing problems and Wildwood PD was called. The drunk hung around for awhile and left before any police showed up, in fact Wildwood PD never showed. Lady Lake seems to always be at SS and Sumter County has a strong presence at LSL

If the drunks are a problem, then the situation can get out of hand in a New York minute! Fights, possible injuries, or fatalities, you name it, can happen. I hope the concerns about the growing incidents of drunken behavior are being directed to whoever has responsibility for addressing those issues. Surely an off-duty officer could work a four-hour detail at the squares and receive compensation out of the funds from the refreshment stand. Even a special deputy from the Sheriff's Department could function in this capacity. The presence of a law enforcement officer can do wonders for keeping the peace at these venues.

[DaleDivine]

Are the “clipboard ladies” real or folklore?

Yes they are...
:ho::popcorn::popcorn:

[Joeyb]

1. No disrespect to the CW folks. They do a great job making sure people sit in the right areas and chairs are in the right lines. A not fun job considering what they are getting paid. However, it must be safety first – and their bosses need to step in and tell them to call the cops on drunks and have them removed.

This is not Community Watch that controls/manage where people are sitting in the square. The Villages have a "Special Event" department that handles the management during the entertainment. I believe they all have red shirts and there are several of them visible all evening. Community watch does patrol the area and will in fact call Wildwood Police when there is any problem in Brownwood. CW is quite busy each night also assisting people in finding cars or golf carts in the parking lot. CW has no authority regarding this matter (you're correct) other than to notify law enforcement when needed. Please keep in mind that most CW are seniors/residence themselves. Getting involved with the drunk and disorderly is a police matter and not even in the capability of CW. Frankly, at the pay rate of $12/hour, it is hardly worth putting CW in harm's way. The real answer is to request that Wildwood PD begin a foot patrol at the Brownwood square for the entire evening, every evening. The tax base for Wildwood is growing considerably due to our growth. A few hours of Police protection during entertainment times should be no problem. Please also keep in mind that YOU as a citizen have to power to call 911 as well.

[La lamy]

Put a little Cross on him while he's sleeping. A lot of people will take action.

:1rotfl: :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

[Beyond The Wall]

Get a cc permit to protect yourself. Stand your ground is supported in Florida.
If they are in pass out drunk stage, stay out of vomit range.

[DAVES]

I am someone, who still after four years of living in the Villages, enjoys going to the Brownwood Square to see a good band. However, I have to say I am getting more wary of doing so. That’s because of the rowdiness and especially as the number of inebriated people at the square continues to grow. When I first started going, on Friday and Saturday nights and when there was a popular band, there were always Sumter police at the square. This always had a calming effect in my opinion, so that there were not waves of jaywalkers, people bumbling around, and you felt safe. However, when they shut down the small police station there, things have become bad. I have not seen a policeman down at the square now for a long time. The number of people who show up drunk at the square has dramatically increased. Last week a drunk (we call him red bandana man) who is at the square repeatedly, and shows up drunk, who staggers across the dance area with people trying to avoid him, finally passed out and fell flat over. The Community Watch (CW) sat him up in a chair and took details and then let him walk off into the sunset. My question is why is this allowed to happen? I know the CW folks have no powers, but their primary job must be to keep Villagers safe. To allow these people to ruin the fun of others is just wrong. Surely they could call the police and have him removed from the area. They should also stop the other drunks, and there are many, staggering into dancers.
Please don’t get me wrong, I enjoy going to the drink shack and buying beers. I think it’s great to have a few adult beverages and sing and dance, but not in what’s becoming a hostile atmosphere. My thoughts are:
1. No disrespect to the CW folks. They do a great job making sure people sit in the right areas and chairs are in the right lines. A not fun job considering what they are getting paid. However it must be safety first – and their bosses need to step in and tell them to call the cops on drunks and have them removed.
2. Where are the police? When you have an event with hundreds of people drinking, and golf carts zooming around avoiding jaywalkers, why don’t they show their presence at least for 15 minutes every hour? Just one cop crossing the square every hour will definitely calm down the drunks, and also the lousy traffic problems.
It’s just a matter of time before some big altercation inside the square, or a pedestrian getting run over.

It is hard to claim a trend in a four year period. Personally I am becoming less tolerant of people. In the end it is ME. Even if I choose to blame it on covid. Like most things it feeds on itself.

[PennBF]

A basic question is how did they get there and how are they getting home in a drunken state? Either by car or cart? Why are they not arrested when they leave as they are a threat to everyone else on the road or cart path? We have watched the drunks at Cody's
in LSL and often how come they are able to drive drunk? Where are the police when these drunks get back in the cart or car and get back on the road or cart path? Same for the LSL Square. Solution: There should be Police around these area's observing the conduct
of the drunks and if they get in a cart or car arrest them!:ohdear:

[Bogie Shooter]

Yea, just shoot’em.

[Dond1959]

I will admit I go to Brownwood occasionally and I have noticed one or two drunks occasionally, but I don’t remember see a lot of drunks in the square. The vast majority are there to enjoy the music and maybe dance. I can tell you we truly live in a bubble here. I just got back from a trip and in Denver around the 16th street mall area it is really bad. Lots of drug zombies, smell of pot everywhere and the smell of urine on all the sidewalks and streets. I guess it is all relative but I would take the squares here over most of the downtown areas in major cities.

[Kenswing]

Some of the people that go to the square are more entertaining than the people paid to perform at the square. :1rotfl:

[GrumpyOldMan]

It is hard to claim a trend in a four year period. Personally I am becoming less tolerant of people. In the end it is ME. Even if I choose to blame it on covid. Like most things it feeds on itself.

Excellent post.

[GrumpyOldMan]

A basic question is how did they get there and how are they getting home in a drunken state? Either by car or cart? Why are they not arrested when they leave as they are a threat to everyone else on the road or cart path? We have watched the drunks at Cody's
in LSL and often how come they are able to drive drunk? Where are the police when these drunks get back in the cart or car and get back on the road or cart path? Same for the LSL Square. Solution: There should be Police around these area's observing the conduct
of the drunks and if they get in a cart or car arrest them!:ohdear:

I don't know if golfing while intoxicated is illegal. What I mean is, if the golf cart is operated on private property I don't think the police can do anything.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Some of the people that go to the square are more entertaining than the people paid to perform at the square. :1rotfl:

True. And not just there, everywhere.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

If the drunks are a problem, then the situation can get out of hand in a New York minute! Fights, possible injuries, or fatalities, you name it, can happen. I hope the concerns about the growing incidents of drunken behavior are being directed to whoever has responsibility for addressing those issues. Surely an off-duty officer could work a four-hour detail at the squares and receive compensation out of the funds from the refreshment stand. Even a special deputy from the Sheriff's Department could function in this capacity. The presence of a law enforcement officer can do wonders for keeping the peace at these venues.

It'll be even worse when the drunken people behave in a "disorderly" way either in their own golf cart, or sprawling over someone else's golf cart. We have Stand Your Ground laws here, and as many have pointed out, The Villages residents are a well-armed militia.

[Dana1963]

Public drunk is more or less acceptable in the US. That is very sad. I don't know if public intoxication is illegal in this area, it should be. I have no problem with people that want to get drunk, but they should not inflict themselves on others. And one wonders how they are getting home... that might be very illegal, and deadly.
1% cause 100% of the problems kids that never grew up.

[dewilson58]

1% cause 100% of the problems kids that never grew up.

Bingo.

We go to the Square a lot and we are people watchers.
The music is good, bad, ugly, but we enjoy it as background noise.

The so-called drunk trend is fake news.

OP was a good drama post, not much reality.

[John_W]

We haven't gone to Brownwood since 2019 and early 2020, but watching people is some of the best entertainment. Last several times there was the transvestite in the short skirt dancing all around the dance floor the entire evening. It reminded me of New Orleans and Bourbon St.

My favorite is Paul from Spring Hill. He comes all the way up here whenever there is a good band and he's most entertaining of them all.

Fun at The Villages with crowd favorite Paul and Mpire - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sSzWI3DplE)

My Friend Paul Dancing at The Villages FL - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC6fnV-RSVY)

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

I eat at the bar one or 2 night a week at blue fin usually around 8 , I don’t see that there are really any problems while I’m in square , and I’m one of those people who parks at far end of parking lots , I have never felt unsafe in square or parking lot. , do a few people seem to have had an extra drink yes but so what

[Nick B]

Why are you folks so excited about shooting someone? You can't handle a situation without violence? Sad.

[dewilson58]

Why are you folks so excited about shooting someone?

"you folks"........................who????


sad

[Jayhawk]

Especially the clipboard ladies.

I've seen more pictures of Bigfoot than the urban legend ladies with a clipboard. No one who claims to have seen them ever has photo evidence.

[Topspinmo]

I am someone, who still after four years of living in the Villages, enjoys going to the Brownwood Square to see a good band. However, I have to say I am getting more wary of doing so. That’s because of the rowdiness and especially as the number of inebriated people at the square continues to grow. When I first started going, on Friday and Saturday nights and when there was a popular band, there were always Sumter police at the square. This always had a calming effect in my opinion, so that there were not waves of jaywalkers, people bumbling around, and you felt safe. However, when they shut down the small police station there, things have become bad. I have not seen a policeman down at the square now for a long time. The number of people who show up drunk at the square has dramatically increased. Last week a drunk (we call him red bandana man) who is at the square repeatedly, and shows up drunk, who staggers across the dance area with people trying to avoid him, finally passed out and fell flat over. The Community Watch (CW) sat him up in a chair and took details and then let him walk off into the sunset. My question is why is this allowed to happen? I know the CW folks have no powers, but their primary job must be to keep Villagers safe. To allow these people to ruin the fun of others is just wrong. Surely they could call the police and have him removed from the area. They should also stop the other drunks, and there are many, staggering into dancers.
Please don’t get me wrong, I enjoy going to the drink shack and buying beers. I think it’s great to have a few adult beverages and sing and dance, but not in what’s becoming a hostile atmosphere. My thoughts are:
1. No disrespect to the CW folks. They do a great job making sure people sit in the right areas and chairs are in the right lines. A not fun job considering what they are getting paid. However it must be safety first – and their bosses need to step in and tell them to call the cops on drunks and have them removed.
2. Where are the police? When you have an event with hundreds of people drinking, and golf carts zooming around avoiding jaywalkers, why don’t they show their presence at least for 15 minutes every hour? Just one cop crossing the square every hour will definitely calm down the drunks, and also the lousy traffic problems.
It’s just a matter of time before some big altercation inside the square, or a pedestrian getting run over.

Agree. I rarely go to squares the noise level keeps me away and I can’t hear conversation with all background noise. You might say the art of deafness without being fully deaf 🧏*♂️.

[Topspinmo]

A basic question is how did they get there and how are they getting home in a drunken state? Either by car or cart? Why are they not arrested when they leave as they are a threat to everyone else on the road or cart path? We have watched the drunks at Cody's
in LSL and often how come they are able to drive drunk? Where are the police when these drunks get back in the cart or car and get back on the road or cart path? Same for the LSL Square. Solution: There should be Police around these area's observing the conduct
of the drunks and if they get in a cart or car arrest them!:ohdear:


But, butt, wouldn’t that be profiling???:duck:

[Ben Franklin]

I used to split my time between Brownwood and Sumter Landing. I found Brownwood to become less inviting just before COVID (BC) was named. I oftened wondered if there were more non-Villagers there to party on the weekends. I gave up on Brownwood and prefer Sumter Landing these days.

[dadspet]

We have been here since 2007 and go to the Squares a few times a week to dance and to be honest I cant even remember seeing a drunk in the Squares in this many years. Most of the time we go later since it tends to be cooler but to us its just a lot of people having a great time and enjoying themselves. We think its great that so many more mature people can get off their duff away from their TV and enjoy/experience life vs watch life or watch others live it. If anyone had a few too many they sure weren't causing anyone any problems that we have ever seen and I would be willing to bet the atmosphere is a lot better / safer than if you went to any event/sport event in any of the larger cities around us or any other place. You just can't beat The Villages for the quality of life we are able to experience and the Squares help provide to that wonderful experience. Live, experience, enjoy, appreciate life while you can; unfortunately the clock is ticking faster than most of us would like and that time will come soon enough (if we're luck) when we will only be able to watch it .

[dewilson58]

We have been here since 2007 ...........


Great Post!!!
Glad you posted it three times.

:clap2::clap2::clap2:

[dewilson58]

Wildwood Police was in Brownwood last night.


:BigApplause:

[GrumpyOldMan]

Wildwood Police was in Brownwood last night.

Were they drunk?

[dewilson58]

Were they drunk?

No, but I was.

We all pulled our guns out and shot a few rounds into the air.

Then I jaywalked and drove home..


:beer3:

[GrumpyOldMan]

"you folks"........................who????


sad

There were several posts, one saying get a CC and that would solve the drunk problem, and another saying "just shoot them".

[dewilson58]

There were several posts, one saying get a CC and that would solve the drunk problem, and another saying "just shoot them".

:ohdear::ohdear::ohdear:

those folks are not on ToTV

"you" folks are

[Bogie Shooter]

Get a cc permit to protect yourself. Stand your ground is supported in Florida.
If they are in pass out drunk stage, stay out of vomit range.

Yea, just shoot’em.

There were several posts, one saying get a CC and that would solve the drunk problem, and another saying "just shoot them".

During the technical problems yesterday my attempt to reply with a quote did not work.
Posted with a bit of sarcasm.

[Gpsma]

I think he said it was due to texh issues, oh mr helpful.

[Gpsma]

Town Squares...third rate entertainment with 1970s line dancing...cant wait until the Chubby Checker impersonator shows up and all the wild square goers do the twist.

Squares are sad.

[New Englander]

No, but I was.

We all pulled our guns out and shot a few rounds into the air.

Then I jaywalked and drove home..


:beer3:

:mademyday: :1rotfl:

[GrumpyOldMan]

Town Squares...third rate entertainment with 1970s line dancing...cant wait until the Chubby Checker impersonator shows up and all the wild square goers do the twist.

Squares are sad.

The last time I checked, there was n nothing in the covenant saying you have to go to the squares.

[vintageogauge]

I used to split my time between Brownwood and Sumter Landing. I found Brownwood to become less inviting just before COVID (BC) was named. I oftened wondered if there were more non-Villagers there to party on the weekends. I gave up on Brownwood and prefer Sumter Landing these days.

What is the problem with non-villagers? Where people live doesn't make a difference, AA is very prevalent within The Villages so I don't think it's fair to put a label on those that live outside the boundaries. There are probably just as many non-villagers at LSL and Spanish Springs as there are in Brownwood. Later this year Sawgrass will be open and we'll see what happens down there.

[Djean1981]

More people, more issues. Also, the squares are not limited to Villagers. The nearby areas are also being developed by other companies that advertise 'in the middle of the villages.' I saw one advertised that is located near Lowes.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Town Squares...third rate entertainment with 1970s line dancing...cant wait until the Chubby Checker impersonator shows up and all the wild square goers do the twist.

Squares are sad.please share with us unsophisticated boobs who have fun at the squares that don’t know where to be really happy

[John_W]

Around '83 I was living in Georgia and nearby was Fort Stewart, a large Army installation. They had the Guess Who perform in a park on the base and it was free. I went and everybody sat on the grass or blanket or chair they had brought.

The band was on a portable stage/flat bed truck, so they were about 5' above the ground. No easy way for anybody could reach the band. There was about 1,000 people and the band was rocking. They had Army guys, locals like myself (outsiders), bikers and all sorts. Everybody was getting along great.

The band played about 90 minutes and was getting near the end and a large portion of the crowd was drunk and and everyone was dancing when they played 'American Woman'. The Army had put one of those orange plastic barriers you see around construction sites about 15' from the stage. People were dancing and knocking the barrier down to get nearer the stage.

The Army bought out MP's with German Shepherds and got in front of the stage. They dogs were going crazy with the people, the loud music and they made a very unpleasant situation. They were just getting ready to do the encore of 'These Eyes' and they stopped the show. Talk about a mad bunch of people.

The Villages is not isolated when it comes to outdoor entertainment that doesn't always go as planned.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

To really emphasize how drunken revelry is not limited to people at Brownwood, and how no one should be surprised that a) people get drunk and b) some drunk people get violent and nasty no matter where they are:

In 1995, the Grateful Dead had to cancel a concert after ticketless concert-goers tore down a fence to get in, starting a riot.

A riot. At the Grateful Dead. Unfathomable, but there it is.

[Ben Franklin]

What is the problem with non-villagers? Where people live doesn't make a difference, AA is very prevalent within The Villages so I don't think it's fair to put a label on those that live outside the boundaries. There are probably just as many non-villagers at LSL and Spanish Springs as there are in Brownwood. Later this year Sawgrass will be open and we'll see what happens down there.

I never said their was a problem with non-villagers, I only wondered if they might be the problem as they tend to be younger. I don't care who gets drunk or stoned, as long as they don't become the show. I do go for the music, not to see drunks. There may be more non-villagers at SL, but I've never seen drunks at SL become the show.

[pauld315]

As more an more homes are sold in the south and there is an increase of rental homes available for the vacationers in the winter months, Brownwood will become just like the other squares with the drunkeness and rowdiness. That is why most people who actually live here and have been here for more than a year or so very seldomly even go to the squares, especially in the winter.

[Bogie Shooter]

As more an more homes are sold in the south and there is an increase of rental homes available for the vacationers in the winter months, Brownwood will become just like the other squares with the drunkeness and rowdiness. That is why most people who actually live here and have been here for more than a year or so very seldomly even go to the squares, especially in the winter.

I disagree that is why…….

[Get real]

Brownwood is under the Wildwood Police's jurisdiction. We were at Brownwood when a drunk was causing problems and Wildwood PD was called. The drunk hung around for awhile and left before any police showed up, in fact Wildwood PD never showed. Lady Lake seems to always be at SS and Sumter County has a strong presence at LSL

That is because Lady Lake and Sumter County care about their job. I have been told the Wildwood "chief" is one of those drunks at Brownwood.