United Airlines in the news

[coffeebean]

I saw today on the news that nearly 99% of United Airlines employees are vaccinated for Covid. Now we are getting somewhere. The airline is mandating vaccines for their employees. It can be done!

[jdulej]

I saw today on the news that nearly 99% of United Airlines employees are vaccinated for Covid. Now we are getting somewhere. The airline is mandating vaccines for their employees. It can be done!
That is great news. Thanks for posting it.

[Escape Artist]

I saw today on the news that nearly 99% of United Airlines employees are vaccinated for Covid. Now we are getting somewhere. The airline is mandating vaccines for their employees. It can be done!

So? They still can get Covid and shed it, more specifically the variant which they have limited immunity against. So that's what drives the infection rate higher. Only one strain is being shed by those vaccinated driving up the infection rate for all. Not the unvaccinated who can get and shed both strains of the virus which actually weakens it and reduces transmission.

[RICH1]

It's easier to address a Labor Grievance than a Wrongful Death Lawsuit!

[coffeebean]

So? They still can get Covid and shed it, more specifically the variant which they have limited immunity against. So that's what drives the infection rate higher. Only one strain is being shed by those vaccinated driving up the infection rate for all. Not the unvaccinated who can get and shed both strains of the virus which actually weakens it and reduces transmission.
Are you saying it is the vaccinated whot are driving this pandemic at this point, not the un-vaccinated? If this were the case, why then are we all being encouraged by the experts to get vaccinated?

Do you have a link that verifies what you have said? I would like to read about it and not just take your word for it. Seems very counter productive for the big push for everyone to be vaccinated.

[Heyitsrick]

Looks like ~600 United employees are being terminated for not getting the vaccine.



Nearly 600 United Airlines employees are set to be fired for opting not to get vaccinated against COVID-19, the company announced in a memo sent to employees Tuesday.

In early August, Chicago-based United announced all U.S.-based employees must be vaccinated by Sept. 28, and 99% of the airline’s employees did so, according to the memo, sent from United CEO Scott Kirby and President Brett Hart.

But for the 593 employees who did not comply, United has “started the process to separate them from the company,” an airline spokesperson said in an email.

United firing nearly 600 employees over vaccines - Chicago Sun-Times (https://chicago.suntimes.com/covid-vaccine/2021/9/28/22699767/united-firing-nearly-600-employees-over-vaccines)

[Bjeanj]

One advantage to having all the employees vaccinated is lower medical costs, leading to lower insurance rates. Another is fewer sick days, enabling them to better-schedule workers.

[coffeebean]

One advantage to having all the employees vaccinated is lower medical costs, leading to lower insurance rates. Another is fewer sick days, enabling them to better-schedule workers.

Vaccinated employees most likely will not require hospitalization if and when they test positive. That is a huge incentive for companies to mandate vaccinations, especially for companies that are self insured.

[justjim]

Are you saying it is the vaccinated whot are driving this pandemic at this point, not the un-vaccinated? If this were the case, why then are we all being encouraged by the experts to get vaccinated?

Do you have a link that verifies what you have said? I would like to read about it and not just take your word for it. Seems very counter productive for the big push for everyone to be vaccinated.

Coffeebean There comes a time when you must just quit debating an issue and let the other party be wrong.

[jdulej]

Looks like ~600 United employees are being terminated for not getting the vaccine.



United firing nearly 600 employees over vaccines - Chicago Sun-Times (https://chicago.suntimes.com/covid-vaccine/2021/9/28/22699767/united-firing-nearly-600-employees-over-vaccines)

Good for them.

[Escape Artist]

Good for them.

Fired for refusing the Mark of the Beast? :ohdear:

[tvbound]

Fired for refusing the Mark of the Beast? :ohdear:

Hopefully, you're just being facetious in an attempt to be funny? LOL

[jdulej]

Fired for refusing the Mark of the Beast? :ohdear:

Fired for not conforming to rules the company set for employees. Simple as that. It’s the American way - get used to it

[Art cov]

Fired for not conforming to rules the company set for employees. Simple as that. It’s the American way - get used to it

The sad thing is that the same logic can be used with pistols and any number of ideas which they want. It just might be a can of worms that all of us will disagree with sooner or later. They can fine us and withdraw our funds with no trouble. Maybe soon we will get speeding tickets on I-75 in the mail or a text. It may say $200 has been withdrawn for doing 70 mph in a 55 On 29 September 2021 at 1842 hours

[Escape Artist]

Fired for not conforming to rules the company set for employees. Simple as that. It’s the American way - get used to it

Believe it or not, company "rules" are not ironclad directives and have been challenged successfully in the court, even at the Supreme Court. Company rules can sometimes be unconstitutional.

[BlueStarAirlines]

I saw today on the news that nearly 99% of United Airlines employees are vaccinated for Covid. Now we are getting somewhere. The airline is mandating vaccines for their employees. It can be done!

First, this has nothing to do with COVID. What a fantastic way to reduce the labor pool without having to manufacture a reason or worry about seniority. In an irony of ironies, Trump was vilified for trying to reduce the number of Federal employees and shrink the Government, yet Biden with his vaccine mandate is doing it for him.

Second, the debate started with the vaccine will prevent COVID, to the vaccine will help the different variants from not being so bad when one invariably catches it, to now it reduces medical costs and sick days. So, again its back to businesses and saving money. Interesting...

I hate both political parties and am disinterested in the Vaxx\anti-vaxx debate, but find the intersections of politics and business fascinating. Money can buy anything......

[jdulej]

Believe it or not, company "rules" are not ironclad directives and have been challenged successfully in the court, even at the Supreme Court. Company rules can sometimes be unconstitutional.

Didn't this just get ruled on it Texas (of all places). It might have just been the state courts. Basically the ruling was - as long as the company is not asking an employee to do something illegal, they can have any rule they want. So, Hooters can ask their waitresses to wear tight t-shirts, hospitals and ask their employees to be vaxxed, etc.
Even in SF, where I worked most of my career, companies had a set of rules employees were expected to follow - want to bring your dog to work, get a job at Facebook. Ain't gonna happen at Bank of America.

[jdulej]

The sad thing is that the same logic can be used with pistols and any number of ideas which they want. It just might be a can of worms that all of us will disagree with sooner or later. They can fine us and withdraw our funds with no trouble. Maybe soon we will get speeding tickets on I-75 in the mail or a text. It may say $200 has been withdrawn for doing 70 mph in a 55 On 29 September 2021 at 1842 hours
I don't agree with this, but somewhere in our checkered past it was decided that corps are like people with similar rights. I as a person am perfectly within my rights to not allow someone in my house (or to work for me) who is wearing a pistol, or doesn't have shoes on, or isn't vaxxed, or is vaxxed. The same holds with a corp (as I understand it) and any employee is perfectly free to find employment elsewhere if they don't like the rules.

[golfing eagles]

So? They still can get Covid and shed it, more specifically the variant which they have limited immunity against. So that's what drives the infection rate higher. Only one strain is being shed by those vaccinated driving up the infection rate for all. Not the unvaccinated who can get and shed both strains of the virus which actually weakens it and reduces transmission.

OK, it's Sept. 30th and I think we have a winner for the most idiotic post of the month. Congrats!!!:MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot:

[lkagele]

Are you saying it is the vaccinated whot are driving this pandemic at this point, not the un-vaccinated? If this were the case, why then are we all being encouraged by the experts to get vaccinated?

Do you have a link that verifies what you have said? I would like to read about it and not just take your word for it. Seems very counter productive for the big push for everyone to be vaccinated.

At the risk of being labeled as a conspiracy theorist, follow Alex Berenson on substack.

[lkagele]

I saw today on the news that nearly 99% of United Airlines employees are vaccinated for Covid. Now we are getting somewhere. The airline is mandating vaccines for their employees. It can be done!

Do you ever ask yourself why we're mandating a 'vaccine' that really isn't? It's really nothing more than a good therapeutic. What do you want to bet that it's only a matter of time before they start mandating the boosters?

[lkagele]

Vaccinated employees most likely will not require hospitalization if and when they test positive. That is a huge incentive for companies to mandate vaccinations, especially for companies that are self insured.

Do you ever really listen to what you are advocating? It's also a huge violation of the individual's civil liberties.

What's next? Weekly drug tests to ensure no employee is doing anything adverse to their health to keep premiums down? Daily submittal of your dietary intake to ensure optimal health to keep premiums down? Why not mandate a government recommended daily vitamin? Healthy hair is important, let's mandate a specific type of shampoo......

Because of this mandate, we're going to have 100's of thousands of people that will now be unemployed with no unemployment or health benefits. What good is that going to do for the country?

[Art cov]

This idea of firing people who have worked someplace for 30 years for not being vaccinated and on the other hand allowing millions in the country from all over the world that are not vaccinated and have health problems for our medical to take care of, and put the burden on tax payers and the country

[MandoMan]

So? They still can get Covid and shed it, more specifically the variant which they have limited immunity against. So that's what drives the infection rate higher. Only one strain is being shed by those vaccinated driving up the infection rate for all. Not the unvaccinated who can get and shed both strains of the virus which actually weakens it and reduces transmission.

Those who are vaccinated may still be able to get Covid, but they are much less likely to get it, especially those who have had a booster shot. While the very few who have been vaccinated and still get Covid can potentially shed viral particles, the length of time they shed is very much shorter.

This is from the CDC:
“Fully vaccinated people with Delta variant breakthrough infections can spread the virus to others. However, vaccinated people appear to spread the virus for a shorter time: For prior variants, lower amounts of viral genetic material were found in samples taken from fully vaccinated people who had breakthrough infections than from unvaccinated people with COVID-19. For people infected with the Delta variant, similar amounts of viral genetic material have been found among both unvaccinated and fully vaccinated people. However, like prior variants, the amount of viral genetic material may go down faster in fully vaccinated people when compared to unvaccinated people. This means fully vaccinated people will likely spread the virus for less time than unvaccinated people.”

Delta Variant: What We Know About the Science | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html#:~:text=•%20Fully%20vaccinated%20pe ople%20with,the%20virus%20to%20others).

[Eg_cruz]

I saw today on the news that nearly 99% of United Airlines employees are vaccinated for Covid. Now we are getting somewhere. The airline is mandating vaccines for their employees. It can be done!
The COVID-19 shot does not prevent you from getting the virus
The COVID-19 shot does not prevent you from spreading the virus
Why on god green earth should not getting one prevent you from working or getting a job
I truly think the world has done lost their minds

[GeriS]

So? They still can get Covid and shed it, more specifically the variant which they have limited immunity against. So that's what drives the infection rate higher. Only one strain is being shed by those vaccinated driving up the infection rate for all. Not the unvaccinated who can get and shed both strains of the virus which actually weakens it and reduces transmission.
Finally someone who has done their research. I don't think they realize that & what the spike protein is doing to their arteries.

[Eg_cruz]

OK, it's Sept. 30th and I think we have a winner for the most idiotic post of the month. Congrats!!!:MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot:
Not according to Dr. Robert Malone. Maybe you should watch his interviews.

[petiteone]

So? They still can get Covid and shed it, more specifically the variant which they have limited immunity against. So that's what drives the infection rate higher. Only one strain is being shed by those vaccinated driving up the infection rate for all. Not the unvaccinated who can get and shed both strains of the virus which actually weakens it and reduces transmission.

As a retired MD, I can only state that there are so many inaccuracies in your statement that I am at a loss for words to explain them.

[GeriS]

One advantage to having all the employees vaccinated is lower medical costs, leading to lower insurance rates. Another is fewer sick days, enabling them to better-schedule workers.
If that is the case why is it the vaxxed are the ones getting the new variant?

[jdulej]

If that is the case why is it the vaxxed are the ones getting the new variant?

You lost me with this one. Has fox news cooked up another variant?

[mrf0151]

Imagine a vaccine so safe you have to be threatened to take it, and a disease so deadly, you have to be tested to know if you have it.

[lkagele]

As a retired MD, I can only state that there are so many inaccuracies in your statement that I am at a loss for words to explain them.

I'm aware of both sides of this issue.

I guess my question is, how do you explain higher infection, hospitalization and death rates with roughly 60% of our population being vaccinated? Our rates are higher than a year ago when no one was vaccinated.

Great Britain and Israel have vaccination rates of 80%+. Again, their rates in those three categories are higher now than they were a year ago when the vaccines weren't even available.

[Carlsondm]

I saw today on the news that nearly 99% of United Airlines employees are vaccinated for Covid. Now we are getting somewhere. The airline is mandating vaccines for their employees. It can be done!
Super news. We fly Delta because of the airflow patterns. Will check out AA. The passengers are still more of a concern on longer flights.

[Susan1717]

Once we lose so many United employees, flights will be cancelled snd rates will go up.
I feel it’s a double standard for those who want to work to get fired fir no vax, but yet we allow thousands in thru the border and don’t require them to be vaccinated. You must be vaccinated to work, but those living off welfare snd Medicaid do not need yo be vaccinated. I’m not saying I’m against the vaccine, only the double standards.

[waterflower]

Research the financial supporters of the CDC, FDA & NIH.. They are professional's for the paycheck. Do you trust the gov't. The corporations that are profiting off of the illnesses all have had their board members in high management roles at the regulating dept.Follow the money.

[skarra]

Once we lose so many United employees, flights will be cancelled snd rates will go up.
I feel it’s a double standard for those who want to work to get fired fir no vax, but yet we allow thousands in thru the border and don’t require them to be vaccinated. You must be vaccinated to work, but those living off welfare snd Medicaid do not need yo be vaccinated. I’m not saying I’m against the vaccine, only the double standards.


Seems to make sense that everyone wanting a government handout should prove they are vaccinated.

Also travelers should have to be vaccinated. That makes a lot of sense too for ALL airline travelers along with wearing a mask as they have to do now.

We do need some way of verifying ones status. I don’t like these cards that are easily forged.


That’s a lot of common sense.

[waterflower]

Hope the pilot doesn't have a heart attack while operating the aircraft. This is just 1 of the unfortunate side effects from he experimental jab. Research the VEARS reports. Doctors are under strict guidelines to enforce the AMA and FDA mandates when there are already many healing products that have been on the market for a very long time. Viruses are not new. Humans have been getting sicks for 100,000 of years.. Do you research.. google is not your friend--controlled

[OhioBuckeye]

I saw today on the news that nearly 99% of United Airlines employees are vaccinated for Covid. Now we are getting somewhere. The airline is mandating vaccines for their employees. It can be done!

Thank you United Airline employees! I know this isn’t a cure but it would cut down on Covid patients in hospitals & permit the very little kids to get attention. Most Covid people are adults & know better or could help the people who really need to be in hospital. Covid people could help a little by getting their shots or wearing mask or they could stay home whether they have it or not. I don’t want to breath their stinking Covid breath. So if you think it’s your right to not get shots or wear mask, stay home until our country is 100% Covid free!

[JMintzer]

You lost me with this one. Has fox news cooked up another variant?

FOX News! Everybody drink!

[tvbound]

If that is the case why is it the vaxxed are the ones getting the new variant?

Seriously? Could you please show, or tell us, the source of where you heard this completely unfounded/outright false information?

[g142056]

So what? What about all the obese people, why are we not forcing them to lose weight, they are putting the strain on the healthcare system. What about drug addicts? What about alcoholics? What about people with AIDS? What about people that smoke? All these people are the ones putting the strain on the healthcare system, not COVID patients. When over 50% of the American population is obese that is 160 million people, ridiculous and that leads to alot of other health problems. Lets fix that first and maybe we won't have the deaths from COVID

[Eg_cruz]

Maybe you show watch the interviews with Dr. Robert Malone, he explains how this is a leaky shot.

[NoMoSno]

If the "pandemic" is really a grave concern, why are we letting a couple hundred thousand illegals enter the country every month without testing and no jabs?????
Good question.
Haiti has only vaccinated 0.3% of its population.

[jdulej]

So what? What about all the obese people, why are we not forcing them to lose weight, they are putting the strain on the healthcare system. What about drug addicts? What about alcoholics? What about people with AIDS? What about people that smoke? All these people are the ones putting the strain on the healthcare system, not COVID patients. When over 50% of the American population is obese that is 160 million people, ridiculous and that leads to alot of other health problems. Lets fix that first and maybe we won't have the deaths from COVID

So, if if we can’t fix everything, don’t fix anything? There is a pretty easy fix available for Covid and the vast majority of Americans have said (via polling) that everyone should take it unless they have a hell of a good reason not to (“I don’t want to” is not a good reason)

[g142056]

It is their right though, why should we decide for them. Eating less is alot easier too and so is exercising. Give me a break

[Wyseguy]

Now we can move on to mandating no smoking. The money and health risks these smokers cause to themselves and others. No alcohol. It will create safe streets for our children to play. People need to get tested every 3 months to be sure they are not drinking or smoking. There is so much good we can do to society by eliminating these "problems". We should also remove the children of anyone not taking the kind of effective, possibly safe, jab. Remove children of those who smoke. They obviously are not fit to be parents. We can train the kids to listen to us, as we obviously know what is best. Think of how great the Villages would be if we eliminated these burdens to society.

[lkagele]

So, if if we can’t fix everything, don’t fix anything? There is a pretty easy fix available for Covid and the vast majority of Americans have said (via polling) that everyone should take it unless they have a hell of a good reason not to (“I don’t want to” is not a good reason)

There is not an easy fix to COVID. It is going to be like the flu and will be around forever.

The government mandate does not allow for 'a hell of a good reason not to.' People that have recovered from COVID have far superior and longer lasting antibodies than the vaccine gives. They are still required to get the vaccine if they fall within the government mandate.

I personally believe this is about government power and control and they are not going to stop with this mandate. Next will be a mandate for the booster. Then something like gun confiscation in the name of public health. If we don't stop with the government over reach now, it will be Katie bar the door time.

[Wyseguy]

Are you saying it is the vaccinated whot are driving this pandemic at this point, not the un-vaccinated? If this were the case, why then are we all being encouraged by the experts to get vaccinated?

Do you have a link that verifies what you have said? I would like to read about it and not just take your word for it. Seems very counter productive for the big push for everyone to be vaccinated.

Doesn't it seem counterproductive; but it is true. You'd be able to read about if if the tech companies were not censoring doctors and scientists.

[Wyseguy]

If that is the case why is it the vaxxed are the ones getting the new variant?

Walensky said CDC investigations have found that the amount of virus present in vaccinated people infected with Delta is similar to the levels found in unvaccinated people with Delta infections. That's an indication that vaccinated people can easily transmit the virus .

[Wyseguy]

As a retired MD, I can only state that there are so many inaccuracies in your statement that I am at a loss for words to explain them.

Walensky said CDC investigations have found that the amount of virus present in vaccinated people infected with Delta is similar to the levels found in unvaccinated people with Delta infections. That's an indication that vaccinated people can easily transmit the virus.

[Wyseguy]

You lost me with this one. Has fox news cooked up another variant?

Perhaps you should start to watch Fox news, you appear shocked by what is common knowledge. The VIEW is no way to get all of your information.

[Wyseguy]

Seems to make sense that everyone wanting a government handout should prove they are vaccinated.

Also travelers should have to be vaccinated. That makes a lot of sense too for ALL airline travelers along with wearing a mask as they have to do now.

We do need some way of verifying ones status. I don’t like these cards that are easily forged.


That’s a lot of common sense.

So what you are saying, is anyone getting public assistance; Welfare, medicaid, food stamps, child school lunch, all should be vaccinated or no benefits?

[coffeebean]

I don't agree with this, but somewhere in our checkered past it was decided that corps are like people with similar rights. I as a person am perfectly within my rights to not allow someone in my house (or to work for me) who is wearing a pistol, or doesn't have shoes on, or isn't vaxxed, or is vaxxed. The same holds with a corp (as I understand it) and any employee is perfectly free to find employment elsewhere if they don't like the rules.

Sounds reasonable and fair to me.

[coffeebean]

At the risk of being labeled as a conspiracy theorist, follow Alex Berenson on substack.

You mean this guy?

Alex Berenson: The Pandemic's Wrongest Man - The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/)

[coffeebean]

Do you ever ask yourself why we're mandating a 'vaccine' that really isn't? It's really nothing more than a good therapeutic. What do you want to bet that it's only a matter of time before they start mandating the boosters?

Well, if you put it that way......being it is a "good therapeutic" then, in most cases, it prevents symptomatic disease in the vaccinated. Call it what you like, it still sounds good to me.

[Bonnevie]

Finally someone who has done their research. I don't think they realize that & what the spike protein is doing to their arteries.

well, getting covid may reduce gray matter volume in the brain....can possibly lead to early dementia and of course there's the latest information about it causing erectile dysfunction.

oh, and the American College of Cardiology says this: If you have a heart condition, you are more likely to get very sick from the new coronavirus that causes COVID-19. Vaccines given as shots are a powerful way to help prevent you from getting COVID-19.

I can't believe all the nonsense being spewed here. and I, for one, will be more inclined to book a United flight now.

[Escape Artist]

well, getting covid may reduce gray matter volume in the brain....can possibly lead to early dementia and of course there's the latest information about it causing erectile dysfunction.

oh, and the American College of Cardiology says this: If you have a heart condition, you are more likely to get very sick from the new coronavirus that causes COVID-19. Vaccines given as shots are a powerful way to help prevent you from getting COVID-19.

I can't believe all the nonsense being spewed here. and I, for one, will be more inclined to book a United flight now.

The spike protein cause blood clots because it irritates veins and arteries. It would stand to reason the more shots you get the more you are susceptible. All the other things you mentioned are just scare tactics.

And I hate to break this to you, but it's something you should know by now: the vaccines, any of them, DO NOT prevent infection or transmission. You can still get Covid and its variants and spread it to others. The only thing they do, and not in all cases, is reduce the risk of severe illness and complications which might require hospitalization or result in long-term problems or death.

[jimjamuser]

I saw today on the news that nearly 99% of United Airlines employees are vaccinated for Covid. Now we are getting somewhere. The airline is mandating vaccines for their employees. It can be done!
Just the tip of the COMING furure iceberg!

[jimjamuser]

So? They still can get Covid and shed it, more specifically the variant which they have limited immunity against. So that's what drives the infection rate higher. Only one strain is being shed by those vaccinated driving up the infection rate for all. Not the unvaccinated who can get and shed both strains of the virus which actually weakens it and reduces transmission.
So, the content is sssooo bogus, sssooo much propaganda by Facebook, Instagram, and the 8 PM TV show on the small, red, wild-dog channel. ( and 10 PM and 11 PM for good (bad) measure)

[jimjamuser]

Are you saying it is the vaccinated whot are driving this pandemic at this point, not the un-vaccinated? If this were the case, why then are we all being encouraged by the experts to get vaccinated?

Do you have a link that verifies what you have said? I would like to read about it and not just take your word for it. Seems very counter productive for the big push for everyone to be vaccinated.
And why are 99% of CV deaths in hospitals the UNVACCINATED? That is IMPOSSIBLE to logically contradict - go ahead and try. But, numbers DON'T LIE! And read a normal newspaper and get one's head out of Facebook and Instagram. One can also wonder why Congress has pulled Facebook before it for about the 3rd or 4th time recently. Maybe the Federal Government should "UNFRIEND" the ENTIRE company and give Mr. Zuck the..........tickets to Russia where dictators love to suck BLOOD from the unwary public.

[jdulej]

You mean this guy?

Alex Berenson: The Pandemic's Wrongest Man - The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/)

Good grief, no wonder people are so confused if they listen to these "experts". Wake up!

[Escape Artist]

So, the content is sssooo bogus, sssooo much propaganda by Facebook, Instagram, and the 8 PM TV show on the small, red, wild-dog channel. ( and 10 PM and 11 PM for good (bad) measure)

Don't know what you're rambling about but maybe it's time for your meds. What I stated are indisputable facts. You can still get Covid even though you are fully vaccinated and even if your antibodies have not waned. Two friends of mine got Covid and they got their 2nd shot two months ago.

[jimjamuser]

Coffeebean There comes a time when you must just quit debating an issue and let the other party be wrong.
Hope springs eternal in the mind of the righteous!

[Two Bills]

The spike protein cause blood clots because it irritates veins and arteries. It would stand to reason the more shots you get the more you are susceptible. All the other things you mentioned are just scare tactics.

And I hate to break this to you, but it's something you should know by now: the vaccines, any of them, DO NOT prevent infection or transmission. You can still get Covid and its variants and spread it to others. The only thing they do, and not in all cases, is reduce the risk of severe illness and complications which might require hospitalization or result in long-term problems or death.

Wife and I both 80+
We'll settle for that!

[jimjamuser]

Fired for refusing the Mark of the Beast? :ohdear:
I agree that the contents are FRIGHTENING and sick. I shall start building my terrorist-proof bomb shelter, rapidisimo!

[Escape Artist]

Wife and I both 80+
We'll settle for that!

That's fine, as it's your choice and many feel as you do. Why not minimize the risk? It's logical. However, there are many people who think the vaccines are a panacea and they will not get Covid at all. That is simply not true but because of the government's mandates it SEEMS like it is. And perception is the better part of reality.

They want people to think the vaccines prevent infection and you cannot get Covid. I have family members who thought this very thing and imagine their shock when they got sick and tested positive for Covid. :shocked:

[jimjamuser]

Hopefully, you're just being facetious in an attempt to be funny? LOL
Some things are so anti-social, and anti-humanity, as to be too sick to be humorous. And completely lacking in anything even close to CLASS - crass is NOT class or funny!

[jimjamuser]

The sad thing is that the same logic can be used with pistols and any number of ideas which they want. It just might be a can of worms that all of us will disagree with sooner or later. They can fine us and withdraw our funds with no trouble. Maybe soon we will get speeding tickets on I-75 in the mail or a text. It may say $200 has been withdrawn for doing 70 mph in a 55 On 29 September 2021 at 1842 hours
Gun policy is a separate subject, but Canada is still free while emphasizing long rifles and shotguns for sporting purposes
and home defense - and de-emphasizing "pistols". I would LOVE to have A.I. and robotic monitoring of speed limits - it would be more accurate, comprehensive, and most importantly, cheaper than having Policepeople wasting their time and being bored while holding on to a radar gun. And then there are the court costs and lawyer costs for disputing a human-given ticket. And then there is the real possibility that some CLOWN goes crazy and shoots the Policeperson in a fit of hatred. Police time IS better spent looking for robbers and murderers than giving out tickets in person!

[jimjamuser]

Didn't this just get ruled on it Texas (of all places). It might have just been the state courts. Basically the ruling was - as long as the company is not asking an employee to do something illegal, they can have any rule they want. So, Hooters can ask their waitresses to wear tight t-shirts, hospitals and ask their employees to be vaxxed, etc.
Even in SF, where I worked most of my career, companies had a set of rules employees were expected to follow - want to bring your dog to work, get a job at Facebook. Ain't gonna happen at Bank of America.
I agree with the conclusion and contents of this post.

[jimjamuser]

Do you ever ask yourself why we're mandating a 'vaccine' that really isn't? It's really nothing more than a good therapeutic. What do you want to bet that it's only a matter of time before they start mandating the boosters?
I see no truth or logic contained herein!

[jdulej]

This thread has drifted into the twilight zone. Time to drop it.

[jimjamuser]

Do you ever really listen to what you are advocating? It's also a huge violation of the individual's civil liberties.

What's next? Weekly drug tests to ensure no employee is doing anything adverse to their health to keep premiums down? Daily submittal of your dietary intake to ensure optimal health to keep premiums down? Why not mandate a government recommended daily vitamin? Healthy hair is important, let's mandate a specific type of shampoo......

Because of this mandate, we're going to have 100's of thousands of people that will now be unemployed with no unemployment or health benefits. What good is that going to do for the country?
I see no clarity or logic here in that other person's post. And as a matter of fact, it does a WORLD of GOOD to get US people vaccinated. At a minimum, the world would stop feeling sorry for and laughing at the US. Also, 99% of the recent CV deaths are the unvaccinated. The US economy would be able to keep up with our competitors China, Japan, and Europe - we are falling behind. In Alabama for the 1st time ever - deaths outstrip births. Hospitals across the whole US are losing staff and getting depressed. Children are getting behind in education. Children may have long-term CV symptoms that stunt the gray matter in their brains. Violence is increasing in the US and Cv IS a large part of the reason.
ALL of modern history will be known as pre CV and post CV.
.....If that's not enough for anybody, not sure where they are coming from, maybe under a rock? And I just hit the high spots - I could go on and on..........

[jimjamuser]

This idea of firing people who have worked someplace for 30 years for not being vaccinated and on the other hand allowing millions in the country from all over the world that are not vaccinated and have health problems for our medical to take care of, and put the burden on tax payers and the country
Artificially "coupling" 2 issues together like this does not make the conclusion true. Part 1) Yes, people should get vaccinated and the anti-vaxxers should get jobs away from people, maybe like in Siberia.
......2nd Part ) Too many people and unvaccinated people are entering an already overcrowded America and adding instability to an already volatile society that has stretched its limit for resources like raw materials, transportation, roads, bridges and etc. Currently, the US is falling behind on everything from technology to Wall Street stability and even governmental cooperation. Even patriotism is waning!

[jimjamuser]

The COVID-19 shot does not prevent you from getting the virus
The COVID-19 shot does not prevent you from spreading the virus
Why on god green earth should not getting one prevent you from working or getting a job
I truly think the world has done lost their minds
God's green earth will be getting a LOT GREENER when the Covid virus gets stronger due to the inaction of the anti-vaxxers
and KILLS almost all of the humans on the planet. The plants will inherit the earth.

[NoMoSno]

I could go on and on..........
Spare us...

[jimjamuser]

As a retired MD, I can only state that there are so many inaccuracies in your statement that I am at a loss for words to explain them.
We are becoming a nation of lies, liars, propagandists, chaos preachers, and anti-science-anti-vaxxers.
Thank Facebook and the other media crazies for ruining a great country. It started in about 1980 with a has-been Football announcer and grew exponentially.
.......United Airlines does the right thing and many here are losing their minds and grasping at conspiracy theories for solace! Where has the US gone........to somewhere in a handbasket

[jimjamuser]

If that is the case why is it the vaxxed are the ones getting the new variant?
They are NOT. 99% of the hospital CV deaths are UNvaccinated - the numbers are irrefutable!

[jimjamuser]

Hope the pilot doesn't have a heart attack while operating the aircraft. This is just 1 of the unfortunate side effects from he experimental jab. Research the VEARS reports. Doctors are under strict guidelines to enforce the AMA and FDA mandates when there are already many healing products that have been on the market for a very long time. Viruses are not new. Humans have been getting sicks for 100,000 of years.. Do you research.. google is not your friend--controlled
I find it strange that within the Villages that 80 to 90 % have been vaccinated - yet, it seems like on this forum that 80 % are talking UNvacciated trash talk. Something is NOT ADDING UP. Maybe the Unvaccinated are looking for some fellow delusional buddies. Or maybe TOTV has been invaded by Russian bloggers and bots? The Russians are coming.....the Russians are coming!!!!!!!

[jimjamuser]

Maybe you show watch the interviews with Dr. Robert Malone, he explains how this is a leaky shot.
I would guess that he is a leaky shot of whisky or maybe Russian vodka.

[jimjamuser]

Don't know what you're rambling about but maybe it's time for your meds. What I stated are indisputable facts. You can still get Covid even though you are fully vaccinated and even if your antibodies have not waned. Two friends of mine got Covid and they got their 2nd shot two months ago.
keep looking for that "mark of the devil" like that post on page 1. Keep busy!

[allsport]

So? They still can get Covid and shed it, more specifically the variant which they have limited immunity against. So that's what drives the infection rate higher. Only one strain is being shed by those vaccinated driving up the infection rate for all. Not the unvaccinated who can get and shed both strains of the virus which actually weakens it and reduces transmission.

If you read that nonsense on You Tube, it was just taken down as false information.

[JMintzer]

Gun policy is a separate subject, but Canada is still free while emphasizing long rifles and shotguns for sporting purposes
and home defense - and de-emphasizing "pistols". I would LOVE to have A.I. and robotic monitoring of speed limits - it would be more accurate, comprehensive, and most importantly, cheaper than having Policepeople wasting their time and being bored while holding on to a radar gun. And then there are the court costs and lawyer costs for disputing a human-given ticket. And then there is the real possibility that some CLOWN goes crazy and shoots the Policeperson in a fit of hatred. Police time IS better spent looking for robbers and murderers than giving out tickets in person!

"Policeperson"... :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[JMintzer]

They are NOT. 99% of the hospital CV deaths are UNvaccinated - the numbers are irrefutable!

He said GETTING, not DYING from...

[mikebama]

Believe it or not, company "rules" are not ironclad directives and have been challenged successfully in the court, even at the Supreme Court. Company rules can sometimes be unconstitutional.
Agree 100%. That being said,
I’m old enough to remember when a CDC employee could overrule the SCOTUS. Crazy times.

[JMintzer]

Just what I would expect from you. Reaching a conclusion based on a left wing headline without any research of your own. Why don't you take the time to read some of his very well researched and insightful articles. Since headlines matter to you, how's this?

The Atlantic Gets It Wrong, Again – Abbeville Institute (https://www.abbevilleinstitute.org/the-atlantic-gets-it-wrong-again/)
3 Breakdowns In Standards That Explain The Atlantic's Trump Hit Piece (https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/08/3-crucial-breakdowns-in-journalistic-standards-that-explain-the-atlantics-trump-political-hit-piece/)
‘The Atlantic’ Has It All Wrong About China, The US, And West Asia – Voice of East (https://voiceofeast.net/2021/09/10/the-atlantic-has-it-all-wrong-about-china-the-us-and-west-asia/)
Atlantic Editor Concedes Central Claim Of Trump Hit Could Be Wrong (https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/07/atlantic-editor-concedes-central-claim-of-trump-hit-piece-could-be-wrong/)
What The Atlantic Gets Wrong about Third Way | by Third Way | Third Way | Medium (https://medium.com/third-way/what-the-atlantic-gets-wrong-about-third-way-53ce970ecb3c)

Should I go on?

Conformational Bias... It's not just for breakfast anymore... :icon_wink:

[lkagele]

Well, if you put it that way......being it is a "good therapeutic" then, in most cases, it prevents symptomatic disease in the vaccinated. Call it what you like, it still sounds good to me.

Then how do you explain that in Britain and Israel, two nations that have 80%+ vaccination rates, that their current level of infections, hospitalizations and death rates are higher than a year ago when the vaccines weren't even available?

[lkagele]

I see no truth or logic contained herein!

This first part is totally factual. The second part is just a guess but I'll bet a friendly beer we will eventually get to that part.

[Escape Artist]

Then how do you explain that in Britain and Israel, two nations that have 80%+ vaccination rates, that their current level of infections, hospitalizations and death rates are higher than a year ago when the vaccines weren't even available?

It's just common sense. When they didn't have the vaccines they were in strict lockdown much worse than what we had here and so now society is "open", most people are vaccinated, but they are still getting Covid because the virus hasn't gone away!

That's what most people don't understand. Covid will always be with us until scientists/researchers develop a true, sterilizing vaccine that prevents infection. It's unbelievable to me how people are eager to swallow lies, especially if it comes from the government.

[lkagele]

I see no clarity or logic here in that other person's post. And as a matter of fact, it does a WORLD of GOOD to get US people vaccinated. At a minimum, the world would stop feeling sorry for and laughing at the US. Also, 99% of the recent CV deaths are the unvaccinated. The US economy would be able to keep up with our competitors China, Japan, and Europe - we are falling behind. In Alabama for the 1st time ever - deaths outstrip births. Hospitals across the whole US are losing staff and getting depressed. Children are getting behind in education. Children may have long-term CV symptoms that stunt the gray matter in their brains. Violence is increasing in the US and Cv IS a large part of the reason.
ALL of modern history will be known as pre CV and post CV.
.....If that's not enough for anybody, not sure where they are coming from, maybe under a rock? And I just hit the high spots - I could go on and on..........

OK but what are we going to do when the small shelf life of the vaccine expires?

The problems you mention aren't the result of COVID but as a result of poor policies by bureaucrats. CV has little or nothing to do with the escalating violence in the country. Violence is escalating because of defund the police, letting BLM get away with their 'mostly peaceful protects', and, primarily, terrible management of our big cities.

[lkagele]

They are NOT. 99% of the hospital CV deaths are UNvaccinated - the numbers are irrefutable!

But then there's this:

Britain has pursued a mass vaccination strategy as aggressively as any country. It approved Pfizer’s vaccine even before the FDA. More than 80% of Britons are now fully vaccinated.

But Britain is in far worse shape than it was at this time last year, when no one was vaccinated. It is now averaging about 140 deaths a day, roughly 10 times as many as mid-September 2020. And hospitalizations and deaths continue to rise.

[coffeebean]

Do you ever really listen to what you are advocating? It's also a huge violation of the individual's civil liberties.

What's next? Weekly drug tests to ensure no employee is doing anything adverse to their health to keep premiums down? Daily submittal of your dietary intake to ensure optimal health to keep premiums down? Why not mandate a government recommended daily vitamin? Healthy hair is important, let's mandate a specific type of shampoo......

Because of this mandate, we're going to have 100's of thousands of people that will now be unemployed with no unemployment or health benefits. What good is that going to do for the country?

There have been no mandates so far for those things you mentioned. I wouldn't get your panties/boxers in a twist over that stuff. Not going to happen. What we are dealing with is a pandemic of the 100 year variety. SOMETHING needs to be done to get it somewhat controlled. I applaud United Airlines for doing something to protect their employees and their customers. There are other benefits to this United Airlines vaccine mandate which have already been mentioned in this thread.

[coffeebean]

This idea of firing people who have worked someplace for 30 years for not being vaccinated and on the other hand allowing millions in the country from all over the world that are not vaccinated and have health problems for our medical to take care of, and put the burden on tax payers and the country

This immigration situation truly sucks and I get what you are saying. But......United Airlines has no control over what is happening at the border. Having said that, United Airlines is looking out for the health and safety of their employees and their customers. The border situation has nothing to do with the decisions United Airlines makes for their company.

[lkagele]

I find it strange that within the Villages that 80 to 90 % have been vaccinated - yet, it seems like on this forum that 80 % are talking UNvacciated trash talk. Something is NOT ADDING UP. Maybe the Unvaccinated are looking for some fellow delusional buddies. Or maybe TOTV has been invaded by Russian bloggers and bots? The Russians are coming.....the Russians are coming!!!!!!!

Or maybe you're simply missing the point. I'm not anti-vax and in fact have been vaccinated. I am, however, pro-choice. If people don't want to get vaccinated I'm OK with that. I become even more adamant about freedom of choice when a government I don't trust in the least starts to mandate. Most of us are quite capable of making correct decisions without government intervention.

I also believe in the science that finds those that have recovered from CV have far better and longer lasting antibodies. We know the efficacy of the vaccines is short lived. I'm unaware of any studies that make that same claim with natural antibodies. So why in the world would those people even think of putting a foreign substance with possible side effects into their bodies?

I also know children face minimal risk from CV. In fact, CV doesn't even make the top 10 causes of death in children. Why in the world would anyone advocate putting a foreign substance with side effects into growing and developing bodies?

And, if you were really opened minded, you'd be aware of the credible studies out there predicting that the vaccines will very possibly be responsible for variants that pop up. Time will tell if that occurs but I'd be willing to bet a friendly beer that is going to happen.

[coffeebean]

Not according to Dr. Robert Malone. Maybe you should watch his interviews.

I have read enough about Dr. Robert Malone to not trust anything the man says. Conspiracy theorist is his middle name.

[coffeebean]

If that is the case why is it the vaxxed are the ones getting the new variant?

Does this mean the UN-vaxxed are not contracting the new variant? Please provide a link.

[coffeebean]

Hope the pilot doesn't have a heart attack while operating the aircraft. This is just 1 of the unfortunate side effects from he experimental jab. Research the VEARS reports. Doctors are under strict guidelines to enforce the AMA and FDA mandates when there are already many healing products that have been on the market for a very long time. Viruses are not new. Humans have been getting sicks for 100,000 of years.. Do you research.. google is not your friend--controlled

VEARS reports can be submitted by anyone and they can report anything they wish. I would not put it past anti-vaxxers to submit false reports to the detriment of the vaccines.That is purely my opinion but I'll make a wager that actually does occur.

[coffeebean]

Doesn't it seem counterproductive; but it is true. You'd be able to read about if if the tech companies were not censoring doctors and scientists.

So, have there been any whistle blowers? Waiting for the bombshells to drop.

[Escape Artist]

So, have there been any whistle blowers? Waiting for the bombshells to drop.

Do you think you could manage to be little more smug and self-righteous? :rolleyes:

[coffeebean]

Do you think you could manage to be little more smug and self-righteous? :rolleyes:


Agree to disagree but.........still waiting.

[Bonnevie]

The spike protein cause blood clots because it irritates veins and arteries. It would stand to reason the more shots you get the more you are susceptible. All the other things you mentioned are just scare tactics.

And I hate to break this to you, but it's something you should know by now: the vaccines, any of them, DO NOT prevent infection or transmission. You can still get Covid and its variants and spread it to others. The only thing they do, and not in all cases, is reduce the risk of severe illness and complications which might require hospitalization or result in long-term problems or death.

as I former pharmacist you do not have to "break" anything to me. I understand one can still get covid and it's variants. it's because there is still covid circulating thanks to the unvaccinated. as long as it can find hosts, the virus survives. things started getting better because people were getting vaccinated and the vaccine was extremely good at preventing the alpha version of the virus. Had more of the population got the vaccine then, the delta variant might have been stopped from taking hold. the side effects I mentioned are just "scare tactics" yet the clotting problem that you are so concerned about as reported by Cornell med. site: Despite overwhelming evidence that the benefits of the COVID-19 vaccine outweigh the risks, and that the chances of dying from the coronavirus far exceed those of having an adverse reaction to the shot, reports of rare, (fewer than one in a million) post-vaccine blood clots may have you reconsidering vaccination.

it goes on to say that the risk of blood clots from having covid is much higher. many researchers consider covid a vascular disease (not just respiratory) which is why it can affect so many different systems of your body....affecting blood flow to them, which include the brain and *****. so it's hardly a scare tactic. from webmd: For men with a history of COVID-19, the estimated risk of developing ED was 5.66 higher. Those numbers remained even after other factors considered.

[coffeebean]

It is being reported in the news today that the number of United Airlines employees refusing the vaccine is down to 320 from 600 which was originally reported. That number, however, does not include employees who have filed for a religious or medical exemption.

The total percentage of United Airlines employees that are now vaccinated has reached 99.5%.

[Rick777]

Hope the pilot doesn't have a heart attack while operating the aircraft. This is just 1 of the unfortunate side effects from he experimental jab. Research the VEARS reports. Doctors are under strict guidelines to enforce the AMA and FDA mandates when there are already many healing products that have been on the market for a very long time. Viruses are not new. Humans have been getting sicks for 100,000 of years.. Do you research.. google is not your friend--controlled
True, a senior flight surgeon has issued an affidavit to ground all pilots who have had the vaccine due to risk of cardiac arrest. I am a pilot and reviewed this thoroughly. Link available.

[Boomer]

True, a senior flight surgeon has issued an affidavit to ground all pilots who have had the vaccine due to risk of cardiac arrest. I am a pilot and reviewed this thoroughly. Link available.



Rick777,

I have some familiarity with the FAA and thought something about this "grounding all pilots who have had the vaccine due to risk of cardiac arrest" did not sound right so I went to the FAA site.

The following is a cut-and-paste directly from the FAA wording of what they are "prohibiting."

According to what I just found on the FAA site, the FAA requires a 48 hour wait for pilots after having been vaccinated. That's it.

No mention of heart attacks.

Just a waiting period to be sure to be cleared of reactions to the shot.

Not a big deal.

Makes perfect sense. Everybody waited for reactions. We all had to hang around for a little while after the shot. But most of us are not commercial pilots so it looks like the FAA took further precautions to clear reactions -- 48 Hours.

You said in your post there is a link available. You did not provide the link so I went directly to the source.

I recognize the probability that pilots could have been provided with a long list of everything that could be possible, no matter how remotely possible, during that waiting period. But according to what I just looked up on the definitive source, the FAA, there has been no specific panic about cardiac arrest. In fact, I saw no evidence of panic whatsoever -- just a common sense reaction wait time.

Your post makes it look like there is something more than just a 48-hour precaution. If that is the case, please provide the link from the FAA -- which you, as a pilot, know has the last word. If the heart attack thing has been taken out of context by some fear-mongering source, then. . .well. . .we all know that drill -- or should.

Anyway. . .

Here is what I found (just now, this very morning) on the official FAA site in the Question and Answer section:

FAA Home ▸ Coronavirus ▸ Guidance & Resources
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What pilot duties or activities are specifically prohibited during the post-vaccination 48-hour observation period?


The Federal Air Surgeon determined that FAA medical certificate holders may not act as pilot in command, or in any other capacity as a required flightcrew member, for 48 hours after each dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson vaccines. The Federal Air Surgeon made this determination after evaluation of available medical information about these COVID-19 vaccines and potential side effects. As a result of this determination and consistent with 14 CFR § 61.53(a), each person subject to part 67 who receives the vaccine must wait 48 hours after each dose before acting as pilot in command or as a required flightcrew member.
In the event that an FAA medical certificate holder experiences side effects after the 48-hour period has elapsed, the medical certificate holder may not act as pilot in command, or in any other capacity as a required flightcrew member as described at 14 CFR § 61.53(a) for the duration of the symptoms.


Boomer

[coffeebean]

True, a senior flight surgeon has issued an affidavit to ground all pilots who have had the vaccine due to risk of cardiac arrest. I am a pilot and reviewed this thoroughly. Link available.

This directive is from the FAA (Federal Aviation Administration). This does not mention "cardiac arrest" but "side effects" and the duration for the prohibition of duties or activities is 48 hours if the pilot has no side effects beyond the 48 hours. This criteria effects pilots who act as Pilot in Command AKA the Captain.

https://www.faa.gov/coronavirus/guidance_resources/vaccine_faq/

[Two Bills]

True, a senior flight surgeon has issued an affidavit to ground all pilots who have had the vaccine due to risk of cardiac arrest. I am a pilot and reviewed this thoroughly. Link available.

Hope you review flight plans more thoroughly!:icon_wink:

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Fired for not conforming to rules the company set for employees. Simple as that. It’s the American way - get used to it

Employment at will employees can get terminated for almost anything. Companies dictate the terms of most everyone's employment, this news flash is not new and many court cases have upheld the companies' right to do so. Most everyone's career has been employment at will, statistically speaking, which excludes corporate executives with contracts and union employees. . . however, corporate execs can get fired for not following corporate rules as well, I know at least one corp president at a public company who was.

So, go ask a labor lawyer, go listen to a labor law professor, etc. So you think that you as an employee should dictate the terms of your employment? These people leaving are doing so, which is fine with them and their employer. What employer wants people you don't want to follow rules? That's chaos and the wild west. .

I am all in favor of firing health care workers who don't want to follow healthcare rules to protect my 95 yo mom in an assisted living community. . . and myself if I have to go into the hospital due to events beyond my control. . . and then I will apply for one of the open positions. .

[JMintzer]

I am all in favor of firing health care workers who don't want to follow healthcare rules to protect my 95 yo mom in an assisted living community. . . and myself if I have to go into the hospital due to events beyond my control. . . and then I will apply for one of the open positions. .

While I agree with you in theory, it just irks me that these very same people were considered to be "heroes", only 10 months ago...

[Swoop]

While I agree with you in theory, it just irks me that these very same people were considered to be "heroes", only 10 months ago...
That’s because it’s all based on the news media telling everyone what to think. If it fits their mantra, they are heroes, if not they are portrayed as villains. Today it’s the health care workers the media has turned on, and they want you to be outraged. After 9/11 the police were heroes - that’s what the media told us. After George Floyd the same media told us that those police officers were villains.
It’s time to stop being lead like sheep to the slaughter by the news media…

[Sabella]

Your not allowed by law to sue

[SkBlogW]

They are NOT. 99% of the hospital CV deaths are UNvaccinated - the numbers are irrefutable!

Have you notified the CDC about this?


91164

[SkBlogW]

Seriously? Could you please show, or tell us, the source of where you heard this completely unfounded/outright false information?

Among 43,127 reported SARS-CoV-2 infections in Los Angeles County residents aged ≥16 years, 10,895 (25.3%) were in fully vaccinated persons

SARS-CoV-2 Infections and Hospitalizations Among Persons Aged ≥16 Years, by Vaccination Status — Los Angeles County, California, May 1–July 25, 2021 | MMWR (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e5.htm)

[Two Bills]

Among 43,127 reported SARS-CoV-2 infections in Los Angeles County residents aged ≥16 years, 10,895 (25.3%) were in fully vaccinated persons

SARS-CoV-2 Infections and Hospitalizations Among Persons Aged ≥16 Years, by Vaccination Status — Los Angeles County, California, May 1–July 25, 2021 | MMWR (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e5.htm)

So 70+% weren't?:shrug:
...and both the charts you posted are months out of date.

[SkBlogW]

So 70+% weren't?:shrug:
...and both the charts you posted are months out of date.

If you could read better you would know I was responding to two posters who appear to be in denial about breakthrough cases and deaths.

The CDC slide showing 16% of hospital deaths from breakthrough cases was leaked on July 30, the CDC study of breakthrough cases in Los Angeles was concluded July 25th. So 2.5 months ago, hardly ancient and much more timely than a lot of the "facts" being slung around here.

The CDC slide and LA study were done when Delta surge was just beginning. Now take a look at this chart showing delta cases surging to 300% or more higher in August and September. So yeah the charts and data were a couple months old, but the problem of delta breakthroughs and deaths just got worse.

91165