Which flights have unruly passengers?

[Calisport]

Has anyone ever seen fist fights and yelling on flights like the news is reporting? I have never seen a peep out of people all my life. Maybe kids kicking the back of seats and bare feet on the seats. Are these American flights? Have you seen any? I can’t believe after 9/11 that anyone would cause trouble. I guess forced mask wearing is causing some of it and the mask police also not helping.by the way I fly about every 3rd month and one international in august.

[Bogie Shooter]

When was the last time you were on a plane?

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Remember all those unruly passengers you see on all the news shows are just the airlines using fake news because they don’t want customers I only believe the newsletter from Frankie who lives in his moms cellar , he gives good info like he told me about a horse medicine to cure Covid , I’ll have to thank him when I get out of hospital ,so don’t believe anything they say just ask us on talk of villages we know everything and what we don’t know we can ask Frankie

[Stu from NYC]

When the news has no news they make it up.

[GrumpyOldMan]

It is obviously all made up, just to make the anti-mask/anti-vax people look bad. Isn't that what the media does? And of course, the air marshalls are being paid off by the media to corroborate their lies.

[retiredguy123]

I blame the airlines for much of the problem. As a business, they do things that other companies would never do.

1. They cram people into a space that is too small to be comfortable.
2. They design seats that recline about 3 inches, but when you recline, they know that the person behind you is going to be mad about it.
3. They charge different prices for almost every seat on the plane. Every seat should have a fixed price.
4. They charge their best customers (business travelers) the highest price for their seats than all other passengers. What business does that?
5. If you want to sit in the first class section, they charge you an arm and a leg for the seat. Way more than it is worth.
6. The employees act more like dictators than someone who is trying to satisfy their customers.
7. Some airlines won't even allow you to select a seat until you get on the plane. So, boarding is like musical chairs.
8. They allow people to cram stuff into the overhead bin for free, but charge you to check a bag. Why not require all the luggage to be in the same place?

[Taltarzac725]

https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/faa-fines-against-unruly-passengers-reach-1

I did find this. I have a neighbor whose daughter is a stewardess. I could ask her to have her daughter look at Talk of the Villages. And there probably are frequent fliers who read TOTV.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Do you want to go back to the days before deregulation when airlines set the price for your ticket if you want more space pay for it ,airlines before Covid were full of many bargains and it’s still cheaper now on real dollars then in the golden age when mostly well off and business people were regulars and when there was a crash at least once a year , do you all remember the insurance machines at airport , sure it can be tiring but the airline industry is pure democracy for the. rich or.poor they can all fly in the same plane the price you pay is just how comfortable you want to be and just like after you buy a car you shouldn’t ask what another guy paid , just don’t ask anyone else what they paid for ticket your ride will be better and calmer

[GrumpyOldMan]

I blame the airlines for much of the problem. As a business, they do things that other companies would never do.

1. They cram people into a space that is too small to be comfortable.
2. They design seats that recline about 3 inches, but when you recline, they know that the person behind you is going to be mad about it.
3. They charge different prices for almost every seat on the plane. Every seat should have a fixed price.
4. They charge their best customers (business travelers) the highest price for their seats than all other passengers. What business does that?
5. If you want to sit in the first class section, they charge you an arm and a leg for the seat. Way more than it is worth.
6. The employees act more like dictators than someone who is trying to satisfy their customers.
7. Some airlines won't even allow you to select a seat until you get on the plane. So, boarding is like musical chairs.
8. They allow people to cram stuff into the overhead bin for free, but charge you to check a bag. Why not require all the luggage to be in the same place?

I agree with you! How dare those airlines to try to make a profit!

[Escape Artist]

Do you want to go back to the days before deregulation when airlines set the price for your ticket if you want more space pay for it ,airlines before Covid were full of many bargains and it’s still cheaper now on real dollars then in the golden age when mostly well off and business people were regulars and when there was a crash at least once a year , do you all remember the insurance machines at airport , sure it can be tiring but the airline industry is pure democracy for the. rich or.poor they can all fly in the same plane the price you pay is just how comfortable you want to be and just like after you buy a car you shouldn’t ask what another guy paid , just don’t ask anyone else what they paid for ticket your ride will be better and calmer

Yes, I'd like to go back to those days and I'm barely old enough to remember them. No one wants to be treated like cattle. Nowadays air travel is more like getting on a crowded Greyhound bus. I'd rather pay a little more for better treatment. And by the way, we are now getting poor choice as far as flights go, crowded planes every flight packed because there are fewer of them, fewer direct flights meaning getting on and off planes in crowded airports and then dealing with flight delays and cancellations.

Some of this is Covid-driven, to be sure, and some is that there are fuel issues for the airlines hence sudden cancellations. That's why there are so few direct flights they have to top off with fuel when they land. Having said that, I luckily have not witnessed unruly behavior by passengers but I know it happens occasionally but probably not as much as the sensational news wants you to believe.

[tvbound]

I agree with you! How dare those airlines to try to make a profit!

As frequent fliers ourselves, although a bit less so in the last 18 months, we can commiserate with the negatives mentioned by retiredguy123. Luckily however, we have not personally witnessed some of the meltdowns that make the news. However, you and Charlie both make excellent points in that we can now cover distances more quickly, efficiently and less expensively (comparatively), than we could have even imagined 50 years ago. While we also enjoy long and overnight train travel, both here and abroad, until we are loaded (as guinea pigs) in that little tube being proposed - flying is the best option out there. As has been said many times, "if you don't like things like this, no one is forcing you to do it."

[billethkid]

The news does not tell about the millions of passengers per day that all do the right thing and have NO PROBLEMS!

The news promotes the isolated incidents/negatives making it sound like a general condition.......and some believe it!

[JMintzer]

Remember all those unruly passengers you see on all the news shows are just the airlines using fake news because they don’t want customers I only believe the newsletter from Frankie who lives in his moms cellar , he gives good info like he told me about a horse medicine to cure Covid , I’ll have to thank him when I get out of hospital ,so don’t believe anything they say just ask us on talk of villages we know everything and what we don’t know we can ask Frankie

Who the hell is Frankie?

[GrumpyOldMan]

Yes, I'd like to go back to those days and I'm barely old enough to remember them. No one wants to be treated like cattle. Nowadays air travel is more like getting on a crowded Greyhound bus. I'd rather pay a little more for better treatment. And by the way, we are now getting poor choice as far as flights go, crowded planes every flight packed because there are fewer of them, fewer direct flights meaning getting on and off planes in crowded airports and then dealing with flight delays and cancellations.

Some of this is Covid-driven, to be sure, and some is that there are fuel issues for the airlines hence sudden cancellations. That's why there are so few direct flights they have to top off with fuel when they land. Having said that, I luckily have not witnessed unruly behavior by passengers but I know it happens occasionally but probably not as much as the sensational news wants you to believe.

So, I don't understand, are you saying you have a right yo fly and airlines should make it the way you personally want it?

[GrumpyOldMan]

The news does not tell about the millions of passengers per day that all do the right thing and have NO PROBLEMS!

The news promotes the isolated incidents/negatives making it sound like a general condition.......and some believe it!

Hmm, so if I understand you correctly unless at least most of the flights have an issue the media should not tells us about it, like back when people were hijacking planes to Cuba.

I mean, I flew a lot back then and never once got hijacked, so I guess the media was just starting the pot about hijacking then, like the media is telling us are about a$$hats refusing to follow the rules they agreed to when they bought their tickets and causing problems for everyone else because, you know, they got rights and nobody is gonna make them wear a mask if they don't want to.

And it is not just airlines, it's restaurants, stores, pretty much any business that wants to require masks is taking a big chance on being a target of these people.

[ex34449]

Last Thanksgiving Tampa to Denver on Southwest. Almost ready to leave the gate and they gave a drunk the boot. Was glad to see the creep gone.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Who the hell is Frankie?

Frankie is smart, I wish I was smart like Frankie.

[Malsua]

Has anyone ever seen fist fights and yelling on flights like the news is reporting? I have never seen a peep out of people all my life. Maybe kids kicking the back of seats and bare feet on the seats. Are these American flights? Have you seen any? I can’t believe after 9/11 that anyone would cause trouble. I guess forced mask wearing is causing some of it and the mask police also not helping.

I was on a Flight from Frankfurt and I started hearing hollering and commotion back in Steerage.

We were already delayed about 2 hours and we turned around and drove back to the gate.

Turns out someone was in a full on seizure. They got a doc on the plane, checked out the person, now fine, and off we went. Caught the next departure window.

As for "When was the last time you flew". For me about a month ago. Flying again in 3 weeks. My last international was in December of 19, but I've done at least 10 domestic flights since Covid. It really is not a BFD. Just put your magic face talisman on and off you go.

[Velvet]

Hawaiian Airlines, had to have 2 planes return to Honolulu because of unruly passengers. Hawaii takes Covid seriously; a California couple was arrested because they gave a fraudulent negative test so they could avoid quarantine.

[Dana1963]

Who the hell is Frankie?
I think it might be Stu’s relative

[Dotneko]

I fly every other week all over the country. Ive never seen a passenger removed. We had one on a southwest who was repeatedly scolded about his mask, but nothing escalated. Ive been on Allegiant, Southwest, Delta, American, Jetblue and Suncountry this summer.

[JMintzer]

Hmm, so if I understand you correctly unless at least most of the flights have an issue the media should not tells us about it, like back when people were hijacking planes to Cuba.

I mean, I flew a lot back then and never once got hijacked, so I guess the media was just starting the pot about hijacking then, like the media is telling us are about a$$hats refusing to follow the rules they agreed to when they bought their tickets and causing problems for everyone else because, you know, they got rights and nobody is gonna make them wear a mask if they don't want to.

And it is not just airlines, it's restaurants, stores, pretty much any business that wants to require masks is taking a big chance on being a target of these people.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/43319692.jpg

[JMintzer]

Frankie is smart, I wish I was smart like Frankie.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4c/86/8a/4c868a42075da96f31e81362e7749fc3.jpg

[2newyorkers]

I was on a Southwest flight when an argument started between a young man and an older woman. The young man just wanted to listen to his ipod but the woman was speaking so loudly the whole plane could hear her. Luckily before it could escalate to fists flying (by the woman) an off duty Air Marshall identified himself and stepped in. He made the woman move to a different seat away from her friends. She kept yelling at the air marshall that no one could tell her what to do. She just wouldn't shut up. She was finally quiet and the air marshall stood the whole flight watching the woman.

[golfing eagles]

Hmm, so if I understand you correctly unless at least most of the flights have an issue the media should not tells us about it, like back when people were hijacking planes to Cuba.

I mean, I flew a lot back then and never once got hijacked, so I guess the media was just starting the pot about hijacking then, like the media is telling us are about a$$hats refusing to follow the rules they agreed to when they bought their tickets and causing problems for everyone else because, you know, they got rights and nobody is gonna make them wear a mask if they don't want to.

And it is not just airlines, it's restaurants, stores, pretty much any business that wants to require masks is taking a big chance on being a target of these people.

Must be the same person who posted on another thread "Until the Villages pays my property taxes, no one is going to tell me what I can put on my lawn"

[GrumpyOldMan]

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/43319692.jpg

They are the people getting tossed off planes and arrested.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Must be the same person who posted on another thread "Until the Villages pays my property taxes, no one is going to tell me what I can put on my lawn"

I assume they fit the profile, but that is just a wild assumption on my part. There is certainly a group of people that feel they can do whatever they want to do. And THEY seem to be growing in visibility and acting out.

[Calisport]

We were boarding in Athens, Greece in August and all of a sudden there was a thud and the young guy going to New York had a seizure of some kind. His head hit the floor like a bowling ball and he was shaking. People helped stabilize and calm him but the majority had to board the plane. Closest I’ve come to any event. Sorry for the guy that missed his flight.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Frankie is smart, I wish I was smart like Frankie.

Frankie says RELAX

[Aces4]

Yeah, it happens. Friend in The Villages was taking a flight north and an idiot started a fracas on the plane. Turned into a nightmare between calming the passengers and the troublemaker and then landing in an emergency, trying to connect missed flights and said person hasn’t flown since. It was terrifying.

[JMintzer]

Frankie says RELAX

Does he now?

[Luggage]

As a business traveler, I have seen Surely flight attendants. Either they had a bad morning or just realized they have a crappy job.

[Luggage]

Because the American airline industry is the most competitive in the world because it's the most capitalistic and without any of these charges they would all be in bankruptcy

[Luggage]

"Frankie says relax"
Famous word from a rock song a decade or so ago

[CTFORSBERG]

My guess is most of the people that are commenting don’t fly anyway as they’re stuck in their homes with nothing better to do. I guess they haven’t had two or three friends die of Covid. But I do appreciate the comedy it’s like reading the Star without having to buy it on the publics new stand so thank you 🙏 keep the insanity coming!

[Luggage]

By the way until the seventies came along if you remember the year plane industry was highly regulated by price per mile legislation. Interestingly however in the 40 or 50 years since deregulation the price to go from the east coast to the West Coast and stayed exactly the same and you can get flights still pretty darn cheap anywhere. If you want to blame the lack of direct flights from many locations, I believe it was either American or United they came up with this great idea called hub and spoke where they would pack their planes for shorter flights and make you take one or two flights to get from here to there by going through XXX City and making it their hub. Atlanta , chicago, Denver, miami, and New York City are major hubs. However that also gave the opportunity for small agile airline companies to develop, we now have allegiant, and frontier just to name two at flight is several hundred cities each directly out of either Orlando, or Tampa, locally for us. I also believe there's an airline that flies out of Minneapolis several hundred cities doing the same thing and growing. There is also Spirit out of Newark New Jersey and these airlines will have flights from $19, which is what People's Express charged back in the seventies to go from Newark to Washington DC. How many of you guys remember that they were the first low cost airline? The American system of free enterprise is alive and well still, and it's amazing that we will get investors willing to put up hundreds of millions of dollars to start an airline

[tsmall22204]

One does not have to make up stories to make the anti-maskers/vaxers look bad. They do a good job on their own.

[golfing eagles]

As a business traveler, I have seen Surely flight attendants. Either they had a bad morning or just realized they have a crappy job.

Whenever I fly, I surely see flight attendants. Some of them are very surly.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[tvbound]

Frankie says RELAX

"Frankie says RELAX"


I don't dare post the song, but for those who are wondering what you're talking about, just go to YouTube and type in - "Frankie goes to Hollywood + relax."

[thevillages2013]

Who the hell is Frankie?

Frankie goes to Hollywood. RELAX

[thevillages2013]

I agree with you! How dare those airlines to try to make a profit!
Airlines and profit should not be used in the same sentence unless you figure in the huge bailout they received in 2020

[jack.hunter00@yahoo.com]

Just flew Southwest and no issues at all. They tell you up front t before boarding and after boarding to to keep nose covered and to your chin with a mask or face not boarding and penalties

[La lamy]

I used to fly a lot while touring with my company and there was a 'bad drunk' coworker who would love to pick a fight with someone after having way too many drinks on the flights. Glad it never ended up preventing us from reaching our destination. :ohdear: :ohdear: :ohdear: He eventually got fired for another reason. Such a waste of talent, for stupid behaviour. He's been doing work that he hates ever since. Tough life lesson.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

to the original poster, (OP)

Your mind is playing its usual assymetric tricks, if you realize it. . your mind weights negative information much more heavily than no other news or good news. . . . and it even has a really, really hard time with very tiny percentages. its a human survival hardwiring trick that requires alot of practice to overcome in today's world.

first, there are some 5,000+ domestic airflights a day. .
so 1 incident is a 1/5000 = 0.02% percent of the flights. . and if you get one of those a week, then the percentage of flights with an unruly passenger is 1/(35,000) flights = 0.002857%. If you fly once every three months, its about 1 in 100,000 flights, a probability with lots of zeroes . . . like a lightning strike at your house. . .

So please, just feel sorry for those people who hit the unlucky number on the flight roulette wheel. .

good luck, although doubtful you will need it.

[La lamy]

Must be the same person who posted on another thread "Until the Villages pays my property taxes, no one is going to tell me what I can put on my lawn"

:1rotfl: :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

[thevillages2013]

Whenever I fly, I surely see flight attendants. Some of them are very surly.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Stop calling me Shirley

[NoMo50]

And of course, the air marshalls are being paid off by the media to corroborate their lies.

What?

[DaleDivine]

Best thing to do is to open the emergency hatch and exit by way of a wing...
:1rotfl::1rotfl:

[NoMo50]

The FAA has adopted a zero tolerance policy with regard to unruly passengers. Violations can be as minor as failing to follow the instructions of a flight attendant. Penalties can include a criminal charge of Interfering With Flight Crew (a Federal felony), being placed on the FAA No Fly list, and a fine of $9,000 to $15,000.

[ladyarwen3]

I used to travel for business every other week and yes I have seen unruly passengers. Most of the the issues are on the ground when flights are delayed or cancelled, and during boarding when people are trying to stuff something in the overhead that just wont fit. I was upgraded to first class once on a domestic flight and the man seated next to me was VERY rude and unpleasant. Kept demanding drinks while we were waiting our turn for takeoff. Called the flight attendant lazy but with more colorful language. I was mortified.

[Judy n Ron]

Has anyone ever seen fist fights and yelling on flights like the news is reporting? I have never seen a peep out of people all my life. Maybe kids kicking the back of seats and bare feet on the seats. Are these American flights? Have you seen any? I can’t believe after 9/11 that anyone would cause trouble. I guess forced mask wearing is causing some of it and the mask police also not helping.by the way I fly about every 3rd month and one international in august.

It can be any flight any time anywhere. The crazies don't always fly the same airlines to the same place.

[JMintzer]

Many are either drunk and/or on medication...

[JanetMM]

Who the hell is Frankie?

Frankie say RELAX

[JMintzer]

"Frankie says relax"
Famous word from a rock song a decade or so ago

Disco song from 1984... Time flies, don't it? :icon_wink:

[JMintzer]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4c/86/8a/4c868a42075da96f31e81362e7749fc3.jpg

Frankie says RELAX

"Frankie says relax"
Famous word from a rock song a decade or so ago

"Frankie says RELAX"


I don't dare post the song, but for those who are wondering what you're talking about, just go to YouTube and type in - "Frankie goes to Hollywood + relax."

Frankie goes to Hollywood. RELAX



Frankie say RELAX


And this is what happens when people don't read the thread before posting... :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Niferlou06]

Just as you all are responding to this post is exactly what happens on airplanes! Not to mention how people behave in airports. I retired from aviation after 40 years and should have written a book. As ground crew I would deny boarding to people would would not be human so the inflight crew would not have to deal with them and divert the aircraft. Please remember the manners your parents taught you, and if they didn't take a course in how to be nice and deal with other humans.

[Jerseyborn]

[QUOTE=Calisport;2011863]Has anyone ever seen fist fights and yelling on flights like the news is reporting?
We were on a necessary flight to California to move my then very pregnant daughter to her family's new Air Force station assignment in the height of the pandemic. We purchase first class seats for ourselves, our daughter and her then 18 month old daughter. Everyone on the plane was immensely aware of the protocols. Most unfortunately, the arrogant ***seated behind us decided he didn't need to mask. After repeated reminders from the flight attendant, he then verbally attacked the poor guy yelling "do you know whomI am? I have over 100,000 miles on this airline. I'll report you for harassment". (Meanwhile, my husband is a million miles customer -and he had his mask on) to add insult to injury, he didn't put his tray table up at landing or move his drink which proceeded to spill all over his seat mate. He laughed. Needless to say his seat mate did not. There are many out there who believe they are above the law. It becomes a problem when their behavior could adversely effect you and your family.

[jammaiora]

Just because you haven't seen any disturbances on flights, or anyone who responds to you doesn't mean that they don't exist. You must think the media and flight attendants are making the whole thing up. Your comments are sad!

[JanetMM]

And this is what happens when people don't read the thread before posting... :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Nope. This is what happens when someone or many someones want to hammer a point home. and just have some fun.

My next one was going to ask if anyone listened to Frankie.

Sheesh! Frankie say RELAX!

[GrumpyOldMan]

What?

It was sarcasm.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Disco song from 1984... Time flies, don't it? :icon_wink:

Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana

[JMintzer]

Nope. This is what happens when someone or many someones want to hammer a point home. and just have some fun.

My next one was going to ask if anyone listened to Frankie.

Sheesh! Frankie say RELAX!

And you even quoted my ROTFL emoji... Sheesh!

Oh, btw, to you know what the song is actually about? :shocked::shocked::shocked:

[JMintzer]

It was sarcasm.

I agree with the content of this post... :icon_wink:

[LG999]

I just flew from LGA (NYC) to MCO (Orlando). We were in the Villages for two weeks getting back to NYC yesterday. We had not flown for about a year.

The trips were both uneventful. The uncomfortable, annoying, ridiculous regulations were still in place made worse by mask wearing inside both planes & at LGA.

There was no fighting. The plane was quite. There were a lot less kids probably due to time of year. It seems the interior of the planes keep getting tighter & more uncomfortable. Covid announcements both in LGA & aboard the plane were relentless.

Prior to this trip & the year or so of not flying at all, we had been flying back & forth btwn LGA & MCO every few months for about six years. The flights were always full & had many children & babies. They were uncomfortable & irritating and we wouldnt have bothered but we had family in the Villages so it was important to put up with it.

[tonycirocco@me.com]

Who the hell is Frankie?

Who the hell is Alice?

[frostola]

We were on a Southwest flight in September and our flight was delayed because they had to kick a family off the plane due to not wearing their masks properly, it was the parents who didn’t comply. No violence but the mom left crying.

[ProfessorDave]

Some of these comments demonstrate just how sick and pathetic some people are. Made up news? Just to prove the anti- mask people wrong. Very sad commentary on the degrading of American intelligence. I fly allot. I talk to flight crew all the time - some recognize me I fly so much. EVERY ONE has a personal story. And - most are related to either anti-mask or alcohol - often the combination of the two. Biden the laughing stock the world? NO - it is the population that has lost their critical thinking ability - and have found a home in fringe and dangerous politics - seeing a lie from every source. This is why we have a society of anti-science!

[OhioBuckeye]

Has anyone ever seen fist fights and yelling on flights like the news is reporting? I have never seen a peep out of people all my life. Maybe kids kicking the back of seats and bare feet on the seats. Are these American flights? Have you seen any? I can’t believe after 9/11 that anyone would cause trouble. I guess forced mask wearing is causing some of it and the mask police also not helping.by the way I fly about every 3rd month and one international in august.

One time they took some guy off of a flight, but really don’t know why. The rumors were he was unruly, but don’t know who!

[rmd2]

I have flown 4 times during the pandemic and have not seen any really bad behavior on any of the American, Spirit and Southwest flights I took. I did have a 4 hour delay on a connecting flight in Louisville, KY and at that time I was in a wheelchair due to an injury and after a few hours the pilot came up to me and another lady in a wheelchair and asked if we would like him to get us a sandwich. We both said yes and opened our purses and he said "No I'll get it." He asked what we would like to drink and then out of his own pocket he bought us and a third person in a wheelchair sandwiches and drinks. Also Southwest gave me a $200 voucher. I got into MCO at 1 am and got home about 2:30 am. Thankfully the Village Van is 24/7 because Workman transport for The Villages was closed by then.

[JanetMM]

Who the hell is Alice?

I don’t know who Alice is, but she doesn’t live here anymore.
(Or so I have heard)

[golfing eagles]

Just flew Southwest and no issues at all. They tell you up front t before boarding and after boarding to to keep nose covered and to your chin with a mask or face not boarding and penalties

And that's what everyone should do---their airline, their rules.

However, to digress a bit, the top 3 methods to stop the virus, in order of efficacy are:
1) vaccinate
2) social distance
3) masks

A year ago, the airlines did what they could---there was no vaccine, they left the middle seat open, and they required masks.

This year is a different game:
They do not require a vaccine to fly, although they could, ignoring #1
They opened up the middle seat and pack you in like sardines, ignoring #2

But if you don't abide by their strict enforcement of #3 they go ape shcrazy, even though that is a distant third in virus mitigation at this point. I flew Southwest not too long ago---you still had to put your mask on between bites, yet they seated someone whose face was 2 feet away from mine in the middle seat, her mask was not even worn properly, and she was coughing and sneezing for the full 4 1/2 hours. Basically, they are kidding themselves.

[Dotneko]

Good Lord. Do some of you think you are clever? Get a room.

[trikoester@comcast.net]

As a flight attendant with a major US airline for well over 30 years, I have watched our profession degrade as the airline industry transitioned from "something special in the air" to Greyhound standards. With affordability came accessibility; indifference replaced anticipation in our passengers. Complaints of limited personal space are certainly valid, considering the average BMI today. Mandated vaccines and masks have tipped the scale. Mask compliance has replaced liquor and smoking issues for the majority of passenger misconduct reports. Although the majority of flights take off and land without incident, there certainly are more, for good reasons,

[noslices1]

Has anyone ever seen fist fights and yelling on flights like the news is reporting? I have never seen a peep out of people all my life. Maybe kids kicking the back of seats and bare feet on the seats. Are these American flights? Have you seen any? I can’t believe after 9/11 that anyone would cause trouble. I guess forced mask wearing is causing some of it and the mask police also not helping.by the way I fly about every 3rd month and one international in august.

Haven’t flown since Covid started, but supposedly there have been over 4000 incidents since the airlines have started up again.

[allsport]

Has anyone ever seen fist fights and yelling on flights like the news is reporting? I have never seen a peep out of people all my life. Maybe kids kicking the back of seats and bare feet on the seats. Are these American flights? Have you seen any? I can’t believe after 9/11 that anyone would cause trouble. I guess forced mask wearing is causing some of it and the mask police also not helping.by the way I fly about every 3rd month and one international in august.

My daughter was on a flight recently in the US where someone would not stop using her cell phone, started yelling at everyone and they took her off the flight.

[Velvet]

I just flew from LGA (NYC) to MCO (Orlando). We were in the Villages for two weeks getting back to NYC yesterday. We had not flown for about a year.

The trips were both uneventful. The uncomfortable, annoying, ridiculous regulations were still in place made worse by mask wearing inside both planes & at LGA.

There was no fighting. The plane was quite. There were a lot less kids probably due to time of year. It seems the interior of the planes keep getting tighter & more uncomfortable. Covid announcements both in LGA & aboard the plane were relentless.

Prior to this trip & the year or so of not flying at all, we had been flying back & forth btwn LGA & MCO every few months for about six years. The flights were always full & had many children & babies. They were uncomfortable & irritating and we wouldnt have bothered but we had family in the Villages so it was important to put up with it.

Glad you put up with it, but if you find it annoying and ridiculous please chose a different method of transportation next time. No one owes anyone a flight.

[Heytubes]

Have a friend that’s a flight attendant and the stories she shares are hilarious. Most everyone is courteous and upon being instructed to wear their mask correctly the entire flight all is good. Most all love their job, but sometimes they’re treated rudely but keep a smile. On occasion they run into a tipsy passenger, but for the most part the thousands of flights everyday go by without issues. Remember, they’re also trained for medical emergencies as well as solving passenger problems. Not for just picking up trash and handing out drinks. Also, there is a serious shortage of flight attendants, so if anyone is looking for a fun job working as little as three days a weeks with perks, call JetBlue or United. They’re hiring now.

[jimjamuser]

Has anyone ever seen fist fights and yelling on flights like the news is reporting? I have never seen a peep out of people all my life. Maybe kids kicking the back of seats and bare feet on the seats. Are these American flights? Have you seen any? I can’t believe after 9/11 that anyone would cause trouble. I guess forced mask wearing is causing some of it and the mask police also not helping.by the way I fly about every 3rd month and one international in august.
Yes, that's a real good possibility for a reason for fights and violence - mask-wearing and mask-Police are the work of the devil!

[jimjamuser]

Remember all those unruly passengers you see on all the news shows are just the airlines using fake news because they don’t want customers I only believe the newsletter from Frankie who lives in his moms cellar , he gives good info like he told me about a horse medicine to cure Covid , I’ll have to thank him when I get out of hospital ,so don’t believe anything they say just ask us on talk of villages we know everything and what we don’t know we can ask Frankie
I agree with the contents of this post - you go, mah man Frankie!

[JMintzer]

Who the hell is Alice?

I don't know. Why don't you go ask her? :icon_wink:

[petiteone]

Has anyone ever seen fist fights and yelling on flights like the news is reporting? I have never seen a peep out of people all my life. Maybe kids kicking the back of seats and bare feet on the seats. Are these American flights? Have you seen any? I can’t believe after 9/11 that anyone would cause trouble. I guess forced mask wearing is causing some of it and the mask police also not helping.by the way I fly about every 3rd month and one international in august.

I fly Southwest back and forth to NY once a months and the flight crew gives a light hearted speech that hits all the "hot buttons", and everyone laughs. I've never seen a passenger cause a problem. Fingers crossed.

[golfing eagles]

I don't know. Why don't you go ask her? :icon_wink:

One can only ask her when you're 10 feet tall:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[JMintzer]

One can only ask her when you're 10 feet tall:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I'll be she knows...

https://images.wolfgangsvault.com/m/xlarge/WDS690815-04-FP/grace-slick-fine-art-print-aug-15-1969.webp

[jimjamuser]

Has anyone ever seen fist fights and yelling on flights like the news is reporting? I have never seen a peep out of people all my life. Maybe kids kicking the back of seats and bare feet on the seats. Are these American flights? Have you seen any? I can’t believe after 9/11 that anyone would cause trouble. I guess forced mask wearing is causing some of it and the mask police also not helping.by the way I fly about every 3rd month and one international in august.
We have ALL seen on TV the near fights and screaming at and the intimidating that is rampant at SCHOOL BOARD meetings. One guy got his shirt ripped off! There will soon have to be the equivalence of Air Marshalls at School Board meetings. Note: Portugal has a 98 % vaccination rate and they have no aircraft or school board violence. And an aircraft is a MORE crowded and contentious environment than a school meeting. Normal America has become crazy, chaos America in recent years - must be something in the water. Maybe we should sample the water here locally in a lab? Just saying.

[Aces4]

As a flight attendant with a major US airline for well over 30 years, I have watched our profession degrade as the airline industry transitioned from "something special in the air" to Greyhound standards. With affordability came accessibility; indifference replaced anticipation in our passengers. Complaints of limited personal space are certainly valid, considering the average BMI today. Mandated vaccines and masks have tipped the scale. Mask compliance has replaced liquor and smoking issues for the majority of passenger misconduct reports. Although the majority of flights take off and land without incident, there certainly are more, for good reasons,


I think the Greyhound comparison is too kind. If one is over 5’7”, they suffer a miserable jammed-in flight. We have flown often and afar over the years. Even though I still love to travel, I would only fly now if there was a family emergency.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Glad you put up with it, but if you find it annoying and ridiculous please chose a different method of transportation next time. No one owes anyone a flight.

Absolutely.

[GrumpyOldMan]

We have ALL seen on TV the near fights and screaming at and the intimidating that is rampant at SCHOOL BOARD meetings. One guy got his shirt ripped off! There will soon have to be the equivalence of Air Marshalls at School Board meetings. Note: Portugal has a 98 % vaccination rate and they have no aircraft or school board violence. And an aircraft is a MORE crowded and contentious environment than a school meeting. Normal America has become crazy, chaos America in recent years - must be something in the water. Maybe we should sample the water here locally in a lab? Just saying.

Yup.

[SilverRose]

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[jimjamuser]

Because the American airline industry is the most competitive in the world because it's the most capitalistic and without any of these charges they would all be in bankruptcy
I agree with the contents of this post.

[SilverRose]

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[jimjamuser]

I used to fly a lot while touring with my company and there was a 'bad drunk' coworker who would love to pick a fight with someone after having way too many drinks on the flights. Glad it never ended up preventing us from reaching our destination. :ohdear: :ohdear: :ohdear: He eventually got fired for another reason. Such a waste of talent, for stupid behaviour. He's been doing work that he hates ever since. Tough life lesson.
Good post! Serves him right. Alcohol is probably more addictive and life-ruining than legal pot, which has no morning hangover problems other than you are more likely to wake up with someone new.

[coralway]

Airlines and ballparks need to ban all alcohol beverages, as well as not allow anyone to board or enter who is already under the influence.

[jimjamuser]

Who the hell is Alice?
To the moon, Alice. Don't steam me!

[jimjamuser]

Some of these comments demonstrate just how sick and pathetic some people are. Made up news? Just to prove the anti- mask people wrong. Very sad commentary on the degrading of American intelligence. I fly allot. I talk to flight crew all the time - some recognize me I fly so much. EVERY ONE has a personal story. And - most are related to either anti-mask or alcohol - often the combination of the two. Biden the laughing stock the world? NO - it is the population that has lost their critical thinking ability - and have found a home in fringe and dangerous politics - seeing a lie from every source. This is why we have a society of anti-science!
I agree with the contents of this post.

[jimjamuser]

I'll be she knows...

https://images.wolfgangsvault.com/m/xlarge/WDS690815-04-FP/grace-slick-fine-art-print-aug-15-1969.webp
Finally, an informative adult picture that I could appreciate and put my arms around!

[GrumpyOldMan]

Some of these comments demonstrate just how sick and pathetic some people are. Made up news? Just to prove the anti- mask people wrong. Very sad commentary on the degrading of American intelligence. I fly allot. I talk to flight crew all the time - some recognize me I fly so much. EVERY ONE has a personal story. And - most are related to either anti-mask or alcohol - often the combination of the two. Biden the laughing stock the world? NO - it is the population that has lost their critical thinking ability - and have found a home in fringe and dangerous politics - seeing a lie from every source. This is why we have a society of anti-science!

If this was a reference to my post about the news stories being faked, it was sarcasm, and related to so many other posts here in so many other threads, where starting over a year ago, posts claiming there was no COVID, posts claiming it was all made up. Over and over and over again. My post, ware sarcasm..

[JMintzer]

Finally, an informative adult picture that I could appreciate and put my arms around!

Passive aggressive much?

[raynan]

If I knew which flights would have fights on flights, I'd win the lottery.

[Koapaka]

Finally, an informative adult picture that I could appreciate and put my arms around!

And then you woke up.....

[Koapaka]

I have flown 4 times during the pandemic and have not seen any really bad behavior on any of the American, Spirit and Southwest flights I took. I did have a 4 hour delay on a connecting flight in Louisville, KY and at that time I was in a wheelchair due to an injury and after a few hours the pilot came up to me and another lady in a wheelchair and asked if we would like him to get us a sandwich. We both said yes and opened our purses and he said "No I'll get it." He asked what we would like to drink and then out of his own pocket he bought us and a third person in a wheelchair sandwiches and drinks. Also Southwest gave me a $200 voucher. I got into MCO at 1 am and got home about 2:30 am. Thankfully the Village Van is 24/7 because Workman transport for The Villages was closed by then.

I have had similar experiences...I find SW airlines very accommodating to those of us with mobility issues. They are our 1st choice for any travel needs

[Koapaka]

If I knew which flights would have fights on flights, I'd win the lottery.

Seriously GREAT answer!!! My response would have been "the ones you read about in the paper the day after?????".....

[JMintzer]

If I knew which flights would have fights on flights, I'd win the lottery.

I'd immediately book a flight... I mean a flight AND a show?

[Eg_cruz]

Remember all those unruly passengers you see on all the news shows are just the airlines using fake news because they don’t want customers I only believe the newsletter from Frankie who lives in his moms cellar , he gives good info like he told me about a horse medicine to cure Covid , I’ll have to thank him when I get out of hospital ,so don’t believe anything they say just ask us on talk of villages we know everything and what we don’t know we can ask Frankie
Smh

[chenault55]

When was the last time you were on a plane?

He just said in the post above when he’s on a plane.

[La lamy]

Good post! Serves him right. Alcohol is probably more addictive and life-ruining than legal pot, which has no morning hangover problems other than you are more likely to wake up with someone new.

:1rotfl: :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

[OhioBuckeye]

I blame the airlines for much of the problem. As a business, they do things that other companies would never do.

1. They cram people into a space that is too small to be comfortable.
2. They design seats that recline about 3 inches, but when you recline, they know that the person behind you is going to be mad about it.
3. They charge different prices for almost every seat on the plane. Every seat should have a fixed price.
4. They charge their best customers (business travelers) the highest price for their seats than all other passengers. What business does that?
5. If you want to sit in the first class section, they charge you an arm and a leg for the seat. Way more than it is worth.
6. The employees act more like dictators than someone who is trying to satisfy their customers.
7. Some airlines won't even allow you to select a seat until you get on the plane. So, boarding is like musical chairs.
8. They allow people to cram stuff into the overhead bin for free, but charge you to check a bag. Why not require all the luggage to be in the same place?

Most of the things you mentioned has always been like this. I think it’s because society is trying to change people how we’re suppose to think. The 8 things above are things that’s always been the way airlines have been!

[jimjamuser]

Yup.
That was the white animal in the picture talking, "Yup". I will agree and add Yup, Yup, Rhoo, Rhoo, Arf, Arf, BaBark, and BaBark". Now we're talking!

[Escape Artist]

Airlines and ballparks need to ban all alcohol beverages, as well as not allow anyone to board or enter who is already under the influence.

These would be common-sense moves but unfortunately, money talks and you-know-what walks. For all their supposed concern about safety, airlines still liquor up their passengers and the same with ballparks, who then shake their heads sanctimoniously at out-of-control, drunken fans who use bad language and act in offensive, inappropriate ways. They make a lot of money on those $10 beers!

[GrumpyOldMan]

Good post! Serves him right. Alcohol is probably more addictive and life-ruining than legal pot, which has no morning hangover problems other than you are more likely to wake up with someone new.

You know the old joke,

"What happens when 5 people get drunk? A fight breaks out. What happens when 5 people get stoned, they form a band".

[jimjamuser]

And then you woke up.....
Woke now! And smelling those roses - ah, "the scent of a woman''.......to try for and die for !!!!!!!!
.....to fly the skies for
to ply the waves for
to pry the door for
to pay the.............Doctor for
to dry the .......eyes for
to love through the years, more and more

[ProfessorDave]

So the logic is: since there is only a probability of death of 0.005 per 100,000 flight hours, it is fake news to report any plane crash when it does occur? Sure, that makes sense.

[jimjamuser]

You know the old joke,

"What happens when 5 people get drunk? A fight breaks out. What happens when 5 people get stoned, they form a band".
Speaking about fights on an airplane - that was the all-time best joke that I have seen on TOTV! Whoof, whoof.......which roughly translated means "you go puppy and only smell those bitch butts.......they are the perfumed ones". And we need more UNEMPLOYED ex-Army warfighters to help add to the numbers of the Air Marshalls to control the crazed, alcohol and high altitude mindlessness that is exponentially increasing as proven by statistical analysis.
......THEN we need to analyze what factors are causing this increase? Be it social, economic, or otherwise? Let the chips fall where they fall.

[retiredguy123]

Most of the things you mentioned has always been like this. I think it’s because society is trying to change people how we’re suppose to think. The 8 things above are things that’s always been the way airlines have been!
I agree, but it has gotten worse over the years (see Post No. 73). You used to be able to check a few bags for free, and almost all airlines assigned seats in advance. And, they gave you a halfway decent meal for free. But, I think the biggest change that has affected passenger conduct is the aggressive marketing and pricing schemes designed to fill every seat on every plane. The planes are too crowded. I know they need to make a profit, but, I can remember when most flights had empty seats and you could stretch out and be more comfortable. I would rather pay more for more space. First class is an option, but I think the cost is not in line with the value, and it is really not designed to address the overcrowding problem.

[golfing eagles]

Speaking about fights on an airplane - that was the all-time best joke that I have seen on TOTV! Whoof, whoof.......which roughly translated means "you go puppy and only smell those bitch butts.......they are the perfumed ones". And we need more UNEMPLOYED ex-Army warfighters to help add to the numbers of the Air Marshalls to control the crazed, alcohol and high altitude mindlessness that is exponentially increasing as proven by statistical analysis.
......THEN we need to analyze what factors are causing this increase? Be it social, economic, or otherwise? Let the chips fall where they fall.

Best guess------masks

[jimjamuser]

Best guess------masks
If true then - Portugal with a 98 % vaccination rate will not need masks on passengers departing from their airports.
And I go back to wondering why the US does?

[golfing eagles]

If true then - Portugal with a 98 % vaccination rate will not need masks on passengers departing from their airports.
And I go back to wondering why the US does?

The question was the CAUSE of increased numbers of unruly passengers, and I suggested that unhappiness with the mask policy was a big factor. It has nothing to do with the vaccination rate of Portugal

[JMintzer]

The question was the CAUSE of increased numbers of unruly passengers, and I suggested that unhappiness with the mask policy was a big factor. It has nothing to do with the vaccination rate of Portugal

Well, considering the Vaccination rate in Portugal is only 84%, not 98% (shocker, I know!)... Oh wait, it STILL has nothing to do with the conversation...

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

I agree, but it has gotten worse over the years (see Post No. 73). You used to be able to check a few bags for free, and almost all airlines assigned seats in advance. And, they gave you a halfway decent meal for free. But, I think the biggest change that has affected passenger conduct is the aggressive marketing and pricing schemes designed to fill every seat on every plane. The planes are too crowded. I know they need to make a profit, but, I can remember when most flights had empty seats and you could stretch out and be more comfortable. I would rather pay more for more space. First class is an option, but I think the cost is not in line with the value, and it is really not designed to address the overcrowding problem. I was flying all over the world from the mid 50’s on yes it was nicer but out of reach for many people , I can tell you this it’s not the seats that are a problem it’s the size of a majority of people sitting in them that’s the problem . It doesn’t take much work to get a cheaper fare if you want one but I for one think it’s a great bargain I flew home to Boston regular before Covid and I flew home this summer for $348 on jet blue and I’ll bet someone did worse or better then me and after my second shot I flew round trip first class for$3,880 to Thailand for a month and will probably fly there in January and fares are up for first class but I don’t think I’ll have to pay more then about $4,800 go raiders

[GrumpyOldMan]

Best guess------masks

I expect masks are the direct cause of most of the altercations, but I also expect it is not the root cause, and my expected root cause can not be discussed on this forum.

[DonH57]

Best guess------masks

I think that's part of it throw in the confusion of what ruling or suggestions were made this week or next. People are just generally getting tired and peeved off!

[OhioBuckeye]

I agree, but it has gotten worse over the years (see Post No. 73). You used to be able to check a few bags for free, and almost all airlines assigned seats in advance. And, they gave you a halfway decent meal for free. But, I think the biggest change that has affected passenger conduct is the aggressive marketing and pricing schemes designed to fill every seat on every plane. The planes are too crowded. I know they need to make a profit, but, I can remember when most flights had empty seats and you could stretch out and be more comfortable. I would rather pay more for more space. First class is an option, but I think the cost is not in line with the value, and it is really not designed to address the overcrowding problem.

You made some great points, when I do fly I almost always fly Southwest because first Check in bag 50lbs. or less is free, plus you’re allowed to have 1 carry on for free, ALWAYS. Retiredguy, I always like your comments they’re always straight & to the point & you never seem like you never get upset. I try to stay away from political comments, they always seem to get me into trouble, LOL.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

And you get to.be herded around like cattle and who travels with less then 50 lbs my shoes take up that much weight

[Elaine Dickinson]

If you long for the days before airline deregulation just remember that less than 20% of the US population had hopped on an aircraft in 1965. By the turn of the century, half of the nation had booked at least one round-trip a year. Furthermore, there were three times more passengers in 2011 compared with the 1970s. Just how many of you went on an airplane vacation EVERY year. Many of the people who complain about the current state of air travel could not afford to travel prior to deregulation.

In 1974, it was illegal for an airline to charge less than $1,442 in inflation-adjusted dollars for a flight between New York City and Los Angeles. On Kayak, just now, I found one for $278.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Exactly sooooo right