Maybe this is the answer to the Mail Delivery issue

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Mail delivery slowdown: USPS to slow delivery starting October 1 - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mail-delivery-slower-usps-october-1/)

So maybe its not your or our imagination, but maybe there is some truth behind the old USPS is gone, and the new USPS is not like we all remember.

[tvbound]

Mail delivery slowdown: USPS to slow delivery starting October 1 - CBS News (/news/mail-delivery-slower-usps-october-1/)

So maybe its not your or our imagination, but maybe there is some truth behind the old USPS is gone, and the new USPS is not like we all remember.

A quick search will show what the USPS boss (Louis DeJoy) is trying to do long term, which is to slow down most mail delivery.

[B-flat]

Sorry to say folks we are seeing history repeat itself as in “The Fall of the Roman Empire.” ‘Nuff said.

[MrFlorida]

Maybe by being slower, they will focus on getting the mail delivered to the correct address.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Sorry to say folks we are seeing history repeat itself as in “The Fall of the Roman Empire.” ‘Nuff said.

I agree, it is sad. It seems many feel it is better to do away with things that are broken than to fix them. Post Office, Public Schools, etc were all the best in the world when created, and most are now broken. Once upon a time, we worked together to solve problems, now all we do is argue. I think the great experiment is over.

[billethkid]

Fix the business decisions being made by people who have never run a business!
No experience.
No continuity.
No planning or follow up measures.

Inner circle owe me and quid quo pro decision making process.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The mail service is in the situation it's in currently, because the Postmaster General wants it that way. He can't be "fired" by anyone other than the board, and the Board doesn't seem interested in firing him.

He is making bank by destroying the USPS. He has financial interests in other delivery services, and every time USPS suffers, more people use those other delivery services. This is simple logic, simple math. There's no zebra here at all; it's a horse.

It's not a secret, it's not a mysterious conspiracy alt-whatever political whosiwats. It's plain as day, known, a given.

[GrumpyOldMan]

The mail service is in the situation it's in currently, because the Postmaster General wants it that way. He can't be "fired" by anyone other than the board, and the Board doesn't seem interested in firing him.

He is making bank by destroying the USPS. He has financial interests in other delivery services, and every time USPS suffers, more people use those other delivery services. This is simple logic, simple math. There's no zebra here at all; it's a horse.

It's not a secret, it's not a mysterious conspiracy alt-whatever political whosiwats. It's plain as day, known, a given.

I agree the root cause of MOST of America's problems is money.

[I'm Popeye!]

Maybe by being slower, they will focus on getting the mail delivered to the correct address.

More coffee breaks makes a postal worker happy and keeps them from turning into a "Son of Sam". :22yikes:

[tophcfa]

The mail service is in the situation it's in currently, because the Postmaster General wants it that way. He can't be "fired" by anyone other than the board, and the Board doesn't seem interested in firing him.

He is making bank by destroying the USPS. He has financial interests in other delivery services, and every time USPS suffers, more people use those other delivery services. This is simple logic, simple math. There's no zebra here at all; it's a horse.

It's not a secret, it's not a mysterious conspiracy alt-whatever political whosiwats. It's plain as day, known, a given.

I am not defending the current postmaster general, but the reality is that the USPS was a money losing mess long before he was appointed to the position. If the USPS was a private business, it would have gone bankrupt many years ago.

[JoMar]

And our generation is the only one that really cares....those behind us have moved on. The longer times they have talked about doesn't mean anything...one day, two or three...it doesn't matter.

[Ben Franklin]

But it is not a private business, and it isn't designed to be a money-making profitable entity. It's losing money because of a government-imposed mandate on pensions that only applied to the USPS and no one else, and it was a mandate that had no other possible result but to drive the USPS into insolvency.

DeJoy is just helping it along, to his increasing glee.

Bingo. They had to fund pensions of people who weren't even hired yet.
I looked at what it cost to send a letter via UPS and I believe it was about $9.
Since the PO is in our Constitution wouldn't they need am amendemt to get rid of it?

[Luggage]

Not too many people actually read the entire articles so here are some facts.
Congress has decreed to the post office that they must by law fully fund their pension, no other part of the government does this including social security. The slowdown is actually to save money. So that taxpayers do not have to fund additionally post office needs nor will they have to have postage stamps go up every single year. The slowdown is simply so that most first class mail which goes by airplane to maintain the old 3-day standard to be having first class delivered anywhere in the Continental to become abandoned (3 day standard) and be allowed to go by truck so we have a new 5-day standard which will save significant money and actually make things more efficient. Most businesses will adapt as they understand the process. Yes it'll take a little more time to get checks and letters but as long as things don't get changed every 5 weeks that is what businesses prefer. Some credit card companies have more than one location to receive money that's called Dropbox banking and I'm sure a few more will now provide additional addresses. Just remember the old excuse the check is always in the mail.

[Luggage]

Dejoy is solving the problem of the post office running a deficit by getting rid of stupid standards of having every piece of mail fly in an airplane when a truck would do just as well

[holger danske]

Dejoy is solving the problem of the post office running a deficit by getting rid of stupid standards of having every piece of mail fly in an airplane when a truck would do just as well

Here's another suggestion to cut into the deficit. Perhaps USPS should stay in their own lane and concentrate on delivering the mail. Instead they created a unit called iCOP (Internet Covert Operations Program) that monitors social media and issues and circulates bulletins to law enforcement agencies that already monitor the internet. This is costly and redundant.

Covert Postal Service unit probed Jan. 6 social media - POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/27/covert-postal-service-514327)

[jbrown132]

Mail delivery slowdown: USPS to slow delivery starting October 1 - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mail-delivery-slower-usps-october-1/)

So maybe its not your or our imagination, but maybe there is some truth behind the old USPS is gone, and the new USPS is not like we all remember.
Here is a solution. Stop Saturday delivery. Stop delivering junk mail of which 99% ends up in a trash can at the post boxes never having been read or even looked or double the price of delivering that junk. Like every other organization weed out the dead wood. Hire a professional CEO, to run the organization instead of appointing political friends. Build larger distribution centers and close large post offices and open small store front centers like FED X and UPS. I could go on but the point I’m making is the model they use is broken and need to be reimagined.

[JMintzer]

Not too many people actually read the entire articles so here are some facts.
Congress has decreed to the post office that they must by law fully fund their pension, no other part of the government does this including social security. The slowdown is actually to save money. So that taxpayers do not have to fund additionally post office needs nor will they have to have postage stamps go up every single year. The slowdown is simply so that most first class mail which goes by airplane to maintain the old 3-day standard to be having first class delivered anywhere in the Continental to become abandoned (3 day standard) and be allowed to go by truck so we have a new 5-day standard which will save significant money and actually make things more efficient. Most businesses will adapt as they understand the process. Yes it'll take a little more time to get checks and letters but as long as things don't get changed every 5 weeks that is what businesses prefer. Some credit card companies have more than one location to receive money that's called Dropbox banking and I'm sure a few more will now provide additional addresses. Just remember the old excuse the check is always in the mail.

Dejoy is solving the problem of the post office running a deficit by getting rid of stupid standards of having every piece of mail fly in an airplane when a truck would do just as well

Yup & Yup!

[JMintzer]

Here is a solution. Stop Saturday delivery. Stop delivering junk mail of which 99% ends up in a trash can at the post boxes never having been read or even looked or double the price of delivering that junk. Like every other organization weed out the dead wood. Hire a professional CEO, to run the organization instead of appointing political friends. Build larger distribution centers and close large post offices and open small store front centers like FED X and UPS. I could go on but the point I’m making is the model they use is broken and need to be reimagined.

He's an expert in Logistics...

I don't want a career mail carrier running the entire Postal Service...

[tvbound]

Gotta tell ya even I find it hard to believe the current admin will try to sell ya on slowing a service, charging you more for it, and then trying to convince you it is in YOUR best interest and to YOUR advantage.....ohdear::ohdear::ohdear:

It's not the "current admin" doing it, it is the current USPS boss (DeJoy), of whom as it was pointed out earlier - is actually untouchable by the current administration.


Mail delivery slowdown: USPS to slow delivery starting October 1 - CBS News (/news/mail-delivery-slower-usps-october-1/)

"Starting on October 1, the postal service's current three-day delivery standard for first-class mail — letters, bills, tax documents and the like — will drop to delivery anywhere within the U.S. within five days."


USPS Board of Governors nominees say they haven't been pressured about DeJoy - CNNPolitics (/2021/04/22/politics/postal-service-board-of-governors-nominees/index.html)

"The President cannot remove the postmaster general. Only the Postal Service Board of Governors -- which is comprised of members nominated by the President and confirmed in the Senate -- has the power to do so."

[JoelJohnson]

Here is the story behind why the Post Office "loses" money.

Postal Service losing money because of congressional mandate not low prices, expert says | News | Notre Dame News | University of Notre Dame (https://news.nd.edu/news/postal-service-losing-money-because-of-congressional-mandate-not-low-prices-expert-says/)

[Ktygrett]

A quick search will show what the USPS boss (Louis DeJoy) is trying to do long term, which is to slow down most mail delivery.

I cannot believe he is still in charge. He has a huge conflict of interest in his investments and is destroying our Post Office on purpose. He is horrible.
Way past time for him to go.

[JMintzer]

The current administration did not install DeJoy...... remember?

Neither did the last one... The Postal Board of Governors of the Post office did...

[JMintzer]

I cannot believe he is still in charge. He has a huge conflict of interest in his investments and is destroying our Post Office on purpose. He is horrible.
Way past time for him to go.

What is his "huge conflict of interest"?

[G.R.I.T.S.]

Mail delivery slowdown: USPS to slow delivery starting October 1 - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mail-delivery-slower-usps-october-1/)

So maybe its not your or our imagination, but maybe there is some truth behind the old USPS is gone, and the new USPS is not like we all remember.

Just wish that packages would stop disappearing.

[DAVES]

I agree, it is sad. It seems many feel it is better to do away with things that are broken than to fix them. Post Office, Public Schools, etc were all the best in the world when created, and most are now broken. Once upon a time, we worked together to solve problems, now all we do is argue. I think the great experiment is over.

It has always been so. Things are never perfect yet, we expect, demand perfection.
Aside-things throughout history, have never been perfect."Now all we do is argue." That too is not new. From the time Christopher Columbus discovered this land. There were people wondering that the Indians were already here. For me, communication is and always was the problem. We deal with one issue at a time. Reality has always been everything happening at once. Solve problems? We do not solve problems. Most problems that we try to solve create other problems that did not exist or went um-noticed. "The great experiment," it is interesting that The declaration of Independence, the Constitution even George Washington there were arguments. There were people SCREAMING to make George Washington KING.

[petiteone]

The mail service is in the situation it's in currently, because the Postmaster General wants it that way. He can't be "fired" by anyone other than the board, and the Board doesn't seem interested in firing him.

He is making bank by destroying the USPS. He has financial interests in other delivery services, and every time USPS suffers, more people use those other delivery services. This is simple logic, simple math. There's no zebra here at all; it's a horse.

It's not a secret, it's not a mysterious conspiracy alt-whatever political whosiwats. It's plain as day, known, a given.


Biden can fire the Board Members who were installed during the last Admin. They are the ones supporting the DeJoy nonsense.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Biden can fire the Board Members who were installed during the last Admin. They are the ones supporting the DeJoy nonsense.

Actually, as much as I would like that, Biden can not fire them without cause. And destroying the Post Office is not considered cause.

And even if he could, then he would have to get new members past the Senate where the filibuster would ensure that didn't happen until the previous administration is back in office again. Like they did last time.

[Ptmckiou]

USPS was never developed to make a profit. It’s a service to the citizens of the USA. The last administration didn’t seem to understand this and torn out a lot of equipment in the processing centers which slowed the mail delivery, interestingly right before the election which had mail in ballots. Those millions of dollars of high speed processing equipment was trashed, so can’t be replaced. Sad how things are being destroyed from the inside by people with no experience and usually have interest in competing service companies.

[Escape Artist]

Mail delivery slowdown: USPS to slow delivery starting October 1 - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mail-delivery-slower-usps-october-1/)

So maybe its not your or our imagination, but maybe there is some truth behind the old USPS is gone, and the new USPS is not like we all remember.

On the face of it, it sounds bad as we are now used to having things delivered to us almost instantly, as is the case with Amazon. Especially after Covid, so many more people rely on the mail/delivery than before for essentials like meds, groceries, etc.

Meanwhile, USPS continues to bleed money every year no matter how many times they raise rates. So now they are trying a different approach.

Not every type of mail will be delayed. Mainly first class letters and some packages and not all it depends on the location. Also, items like magazines, ads (junk mail), flyers, circulars, etc. They will be moving by truck instead of planes now. Priority/Mail packages still are 2-3 days as you are paying through the nose for the faster delivery. The announcement just comes at a bad time with the holidays looming and postal rates going up again as of today!

[GrumpyOldMan]

On the face of it, it sounds bad as we are now used to having things delivered to us almost instantly, as is the case with Amazon. Especially after Covid, so many more people rely on the mail/delivery than before for essentials like meds, groceries, etc.

Meanwhile, USPS continues to bleed money every year no matter how many times they raise rates. So now they are trying a different approach.

Not every type of mail will be delayed. Mainly first class letters and some packages and not all it depends on the location. Also, items like magazines, ads (junk mail), flyers, circulars, etc. They will be moving by truck instead of planes now. Priority/Mail packages still are 2-3 days as you are paying through the nose for the faster delivery. The announcement just comes at a bad time with the holidays looming and postal rates going up again as of today!

Well, "bleeding money" is not entirely accurate, the main reason for fiscal issues is the change in requirements (applicable only to the USPS) in having 10 years of retirement funding in the bank - so to speak. It does seem the people that have been screaming for years to end the post office are finally getting their dream, a few years of higher prices and slower service and it will fade into the past.

Just coincidence?

[retiredguy123]

Here is a solution. Stop Saturday delivery. Stop delivering junk mail of which 99% ends up in a trash can at the post boxes never having been read or even looked or double the price of delivering that junk. Like every other organization weed out the dead wood. Hire a professional CEO, to run the organization instead of appointing political friends. Build larger distribution centers and close large post offices and open small store front centers like FED X and UPS. I could go on but the point I’m making is the model they use is broken and need to be reimagined.
I agree with most of what you said. I would add that they should allow people to cancel their postal account and have all their mail returned to the sender. That would solve the problem because people who didn't like the service would just cancel it. I would be one of the first to cancel.

Also, a CEO is someone who runs a company to make a profit. Government agencies have no reason to make a profit because they can operate at a loss every year, and just run up the debt. You don't need a CEO to do that.

[GrumpyOldMan]

I agree with most of what you said. I would add that they should allow people to cancel their postal account and have all their mail returned to the sender. That would solve the problem because people who didn't like the service would just cancel it. I would be one of the first to cancel. [/QUITE].

In that case, I no longer wish to pay taxes to maintain roads I don't dive on.

I no longer want to pay taxes for sidewalks I don't walk on.
I no longer want to pay taxes for public schools, all my kids are grown.
I no longer want to pay taxes for water treatment plants I will drill a well and boil my water.
I no longer want to pay for sewage systems I will use a trench in my backyard.
I no longer want to pay taxes for wars I disagree with.

I could go on, I think the point is made.

[QUOTE]
Also, a CEO is someone who runs a company to make a profit. Government agencies have no reason to make a profit because they can operate at a loss every year, and just run up the debt. You don't need a CEO to do that.

The USPS was NEVER intended to make a profit. And its losses are due to Congress mandating unreasonable retirement funding. The internet has caused a change in business model, which the previous Post Master was dealing with. And parcel delivery companies like FedEx, UPS, and DHL have taken some of the post offices business, so it had been adjusting to that change in the market. But, it is a service it is not a for-profit business.

The reality is that part of us wants the government to be reduced to a bare minimum of services - like fighting foreign wars, and another part of us want the government to do things for the people that are too large for any single company to deal with - like the interstate highway system which contributed massively to business profits.

This reducing functionality of the USPS is just a step in getting rid of it. Regardless of all the "justifications" given. And the person in charge of the USPS now is there because he has personal motivation (investments in competitors) to see the post office fail.

[retiredguy123]

[QUOTE=retiredguy123;2012878]I agree with most of what you said. I would add that they should allow people to cancel their postal account and have all their mail returned to the sender. That would solve the problem because people who didn't like the service would just cancel it. I would be one of the first to cancel. [/QUITE].

In that case, I no longer wish to pay taxes to maintain roads I don't dive on.

I no longer want to pay taxes for sidewalks I don't walk on.
I no longer want to pay taxes for public schools, all my kids are grown.
I no longer want to pay taxes for water treatment plants I will drill a well and boil my water.
I no longer want to pay for sewage systems I will use a trench in my backyard.
I no longer want to pay taxes for wars I disagree with.

I could go on, I think the point is made.



The USPS was NEVER intended to make a profit. And its losses are due to Congress mandating unreasonable retirement funding. The internet has caused a change in business model, which the previous Post Master was dealing with. And parcel delivery companies like FedEx, UPS, and DHL have taken some of the post offices business, so it had been adjusting to that change in the market. But, it is a service it is not a for-profit business.

The reality is that part of us wants the government to be reduced to a bare minimum of services - like fighting foreign wars, and another part of us want the government to do things for the people that are too large for any single company to deal with - like the interstate highway system which contributed massively to business profits.

This reducing functionality of the USPS is just a step in getting rid of it. Regardless of all the "justifications" given. And the person in charge of the USPS now is there because he has personal motivation (investments in competitors) to see the post office fail.
I don't agree with your point. More than 95 percent of my mail is trash. I just want to stop the trash from coming, but the Government forces everyone to have a box for them to deposit the trash and makes you pay for it. Look at how much junk mail is deposited into the trash cans at the mail stations.

Also, the USPS wants to tell people that they are self-funding, but they only want to count their current operating expenses, even though a huge part of their expenses are for benefits to retirees. Their accounting argument is ridiculous. Read the GAO reports.

[EdFNJ]

I don't agree with your point. More than 95 percent of my mail is trash. I just want to stop the trash from coming, but the Government forces everyone to have a box for them to deposit the trash and makes you pay for it. Look at how much junk mail is deposited into the trash cans at the mail stations.

Also, the USPS wants to tell people that they are self-funding, but they only want to count their current operating expenses, even though a huge part of their expenses are for benefits to retirees. Their accounting argument is ridiculous. Read the GAO reports.


The "trash" (aka junk mail) is what pays a large amount of whatever the PO is getting right now. Eliminate junk mail and see what it costs to mail a letter.

[EdFNJ]

What is his "huge conflict of interest"?
Possibly this? Postmaster General Louis DeJoy Should Resign Over ‘Obvious Financial Conflicts Of Interest,’ Experts Testify (https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/09/14/postmaster-general-louis-dejoy-should-resign-over-obvious-financial-conflicts-of-interest-experts-testify/?sh=4b1d21ed147c) Investigations still ongoing a year later.

[JMintzer]

Possibly this? Postmaster General Louis DeJoy Should Resign Over ‘Obvious Financial Conflicts Of Interest,’ Experts Testify (https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/09/14/postmaster-general-louis-dejoy-should-resign-over-obvious-financial-conflicts-of-interest-experts-testify/?sh=4b1d21ed147c) Investigations still ongoing a year later.

So, they've been investigating this for over a year and what? Nothing has happened...

[EdFNJ]

So, they've been investigating this for over a year and what? Nothing has happened... Oy Vey. Ask them. Lots of investigation go on for years. Just reading about one that was started almost 2 years ago by some guy with a big white beard from Connecticut (no not Santa).

Here's a more recent one for something else: FBI Investigates Postmaster General Louis DeJoy Over Campaign Fundraising : NPR (https://www.npr.org/2021/06/04/1003172114/fbi-investigates-postmaster-general-louis-dejoy-over-campaign-fundraising)

[GrumpyOldMan]

[QUOTE=GrumpyOldMan;2012928]
I don't agree with your point. More than 95 percent of my mail is trash. I just want to stop the trash from coming, but the Government forces everyone to have a box for them to deposit the trash and makes you pay for it. Look at how much junk mail is deposited into the trash cans at the mail stations.

Also, the USPS wants to tell people that they are self-funding, but they only want to count their current operating expenses, even though a huge part of their expenses are for benefits to retirees. Their accounting argument is ridiculous. Read the GAO reports.

I have never paid for a single piece of junk mail. The post office is NOT paid for by the government, so my taxes are not paying for it, it is the companies sending the mail.

Here is a solution for you, rent a mailbox, forward ALL your mail to that address. Then forget where you rented it and never pay another month's rent on it, and NEVER tell the post office where you live. Instantly you will never get any mail again. If any comes here, never get it out of the mailbox here.

No one is forcing you to use the mailbox. I promise the police will not show up and arrest you when your mailbox fills up.

[GrumpyOldMan]

[QUOTE=GrumpyOldMan;2012928]
Also, the USPS wants to tell people that they are self-funding, but they only want to count their current operating expenses, even though a huge part of their expenses are for benefits to retirees. Their accounting argument is ridiculous. Read the GAO reports.

Also, the post office doesn't want to tell people that, it is the law. And the reason the post office is in such deep debt is because of an unreasonable mandate concerning retirement benefits, which was forced on them by the government.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Companies pay for the privilege of filling your mailbox with junk. You don't pay a dime, the sender pays it all to send something to you. When spam ads fill up your mailbox, just gather it in a pile and toss it at the end of the week. IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. Really. The options: Spam marketing companies can pay their reduced fee for spamming your mailbox. Or government can make those spams illegal and they have to find some other source of revenue to keep the place going. That means raising the cost of service. You want delivery tomorrow, it'll cost you $4.00 for a 1-page letter in a standard size 10 envelope going to the town hall in the next county. If you want to send to another state, that'll cost you 6 minimum for 1 page. Across the country in 3 days $8.75. Especialy since the USPS has rejected spam mail to everyone, so that revenue stream no longer exists. So the USPS goes bankrupt and dies a sad death.

And here comes UPS, DHL, and Amazon to cost you $10.99 to send a 1 ounce package anywhere in your state. Anything bigger will take 2 days longer. Further away will cost another 4.75... so you want to send gift box of cookies to a friend across te country? It'll set you back a good $40 just for shipping a box of cookies that cost you less than $5.00 to make. Want to send a payment for your kids dental costs to the dentist office? Well it's a form, with a check in it, and the value is over $1000 so it needs to get insured, and wrapped in a no-peek page in a no-peek envelope, certified and insured and made a priority send to make sure they get it in time. That's gonna cost you $14.95 for a 3-day letter with check sent to another town in your county. And if you send it on a Friday, that 3-day letter won't get anywhere until WEDNESDAY because Friday night it's closed down. Saturday - closed. Sunday - closed. On Monday they get to route it and assign it a truck. so maybe Tuesday they'll get the check.

USPS the way it works now is efficient. Or has been until DeJoy got his mitts onto it.

[retiredguy123]

[QUOTE=retiredguy123;2012960]

I have never paid for a single piece of junk mail. The post office is NOT paid for by the government, so my taxes are not paying for it, it is the companies sending the mail.

Here is a solution for you, rent a mailbox, forward ALL your mail to that address. Then forget where you rented it and never pay another month's rent on it, and NEVER tell the post office where you live. Instantly you will never get any mail again. If any comes here, never get it out of the mailbox here.

No one is forcing you to use the mailbox. I promise the police will not show up and arrest you when your mailbox fills up.
Your solution won't work because of official mail that comes from the IRS, a jury summons, and other official mail that cannot be ignored. So, you are being forced to use the mailbox.

[JMintzer]

Oy Vey. Ask them. Lots of investigation go on for years. Just reading about one that was started almost 2 years ago by some guy with a big white beard from Connecticut (no not Santa).

Here's a more recent one for something else: FBI Investigates Postmaster General Louis DeJoy Over Campaign Fundraising : NPR (https://www.npr.org/2021/06/04/1003172114/fbi-investigates-postmaster-general-louis-dejoy-over-campaign-fundraising)

Let me know when they find something concrete...

[GrumpyOldMan]

[QUOTE=GrumpyOldMan;2013065]
Your solution won't work because of official mail that comes from the IRS, a jury summons, and other official mail that cannot be ignored. So, you are being forced to use the mailbox.

Sorry, no you are not forced. You choose to. You will not be arrested for not having a mailing address. Ask me how I know (hint, has to do with having been homeless for over 6 months.)

[retiredguy123]

[QUOTE=retiredguy123;2013083]

Sorry, no you are not forced. You choose to. You will not be arrested for not having a mailing address. Ask me how I know (hint, has to do with having been homeless for over 6 months.)
So, what do I put on my Federal tax return in the space that asks for a mailing address? Should I leave it blank? I really don't think that will work.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Let me know when they find something concrete...

I have to agree, same with investigating HRC for 25 years... wake me when there is an indictment.

[GrumpyOldMan]

[QUOTE=GrumpyOldMan;2013476]
So, what do I put on my Federal tax return in the space that asks for a mailing address? Should I leave it blank? I really don't think that will work.

Never know until you try. I know of NO laws requiring a mailing address, but I can assure it it complicates getting any handouts from the government when you are homeless.

[Elaine Dickinson]

"What government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms, and killing people. It's not good at much else."

-Tom Clancy

[GrumpyOldMan]

"What government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms, and killing people. It's not good at much else."

-Tom Clancy

Why is that?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I have to agree, same with investigating HRC for 25 years... wake me when there is an indictment.

The indictment is in the basement of the pizza parlor. Have you not been paying attention?

[JMintzer]

I have to agree, same with investigating HRC for 25 years... wake me when there is an indictment.

Oh, they found plenty of concrete evidence...

They were just to cickensh*t to do anything about it...

My guess is they didn't want to catch a severe case of "Arkancide"...

[GrumpyOldMan]

Oh, they found plenty of concrete evidence...

They were just to cickensh*t to do anything about it...

My guess is they didn't want to catch a severe case of "Arkancide"...

Ah, so ALL those investigations and not a single leak of that concrete evidence. Got it.

[JMintzer]

Ah, so ALL those investigations and not a single leak of that concrete evidence. Got it.

Destruction of government devices to hide evidence...

Private email server used for classified documents...

Destroying hard drive on private server to hide evidence...

Altering classified documents to make them seem to be unclassified...

Paying for Steele Dossier (actual collusion)

Shall I continue?