Vaccine and Religion

[retiredguy123]

There is a story in the news today about a woman who needs a kidney transplant. She has a friend who will provide the kidney, but the hospital will not perform the surgery unless both women get the COVID vaccine. They both refuse to get the vaccine because of their religion, so the woman is prepared to die because she cannot get the surgery. I am not an expert on religion or medicine, but, apparently the woman's religion will allow her to undergo major surgery, involving multiple drugs and medical intervention, to remove her kidney and replace it with another person's kidney, and then take anti-rejection drugs forever. But, the religion will not allow her to be vaccinated for the COVID virus. Can someone please explain how this makes any sense?

[tvbound]

There is a story in the news today about a woman who needs a kidney transplant. She has a friend who will provide the kidney, but the hospital will not perform the surgery unless both women get the COVID vaccine. They both refuse to get the vaccine because of their religion, so the woman is prepared to die because she cannot get the surgery. I am not an expert on religion or medicine, but, apparently the woman's religion will allow her to undergo major surgery, involving multiple drugs and medical intervention, to remove her kidney and replace it with another person's kidney, and then take anti-rejection drugs forever. But, the religion will not allow her to be vaccinated for the COVID virus. Can someone please explain how this makes any sense?


"Can someone please explain how this makes any sense?"


Because it's not really about their "religion?"

[golfing eagles]

There is a story in the news today about a woman who needs a kidney transplant. She has a friend who will provide the kidney, but the hospital will not perform the surgery unless both women get the COVID vaccine. They both refuse to get the vaccine because of their religion, so the woman is prepared to die because she cannot get the surgery. I am not an expert on religion or medicine, but, apparently the woman's religion will allow her to undergo major surgery, involving multiple drugs and medical intervention, to remove her kidney and replace it with another person's kidney, and then take anti-rejection drugs forever. But, the religion will not allow her to be vaccinated for the COVID virus. Can someone please explain how this makes any sense?

It doesn't. And like Judge Judy says, "if it doesn't make sense, it isn't true"

[Kelevision]

"Can someone please explain how this makes any sense?"


Because it's not really about "religion?"

:bigbow:

there are actually very few religions who have documented, doctrinal reasons for not believing in immunizations.
Despite the fact that it has been dominating national news, evangelical Christianity isn’t one of them.
Still, some Christians and other people of faith are citing their religion as a reason why they won’t get the COVID-19 vaccine.

Curious as to what their “religion” is?

[JerryLBell]

:bigbow:

there are actually very few religions who have documented, doctrinal reasons for not believing in immunizations.
Despite the fact that it has been dominating national news, evangelical Christianity isn’t one of them.
Still, some Christians and other people of faith are citing their religion as a reason why they won’t get the COVID-19 vaccine.

Curious as to what their “religion” is?
From what I've read, it isn't Catholicism or any other mainstream Christian sect I've heard of or Judaism or Muslim or Buddhism as all of them encourage the use of Covid (and other) vaccinations. It's weird how some folks who have had other vaccinations suddenly find objections based in non-specified religions.

[Bogie Shooter]

Ignorance is displayed in many different ways….

[GrumpyOldMan]

If she would rather die than get the vaccination, then I guess that is her right.

[billethkid]

:bigbow:

There are actually very few religions who have documented, doctrinal reasons for not believing in immunizations.
Despite the fact that it has been dominating national news, evangelical christianity isn’t one of them.
Still, some christians and other people of faith are citing their religion as a reason why they won’t get the covid-19 vaccine.

Curious as to what their “religion” is?

convenience!

[Carla B]

And, why doesn't the news media find out what that religion or cult is. Inquiring minds want to know.

[Dana1963]

And, why doesn't the news media find out what that religion or cult is. Inquiring minds want to know.
Religion is a Cult.

[billethkid]

And, why doesn't the news media find out what that religion or cult is. Inquiring minds want to know.

Because it is not a piece of the "agenda" puzzle!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

It just means there is now one less kidney patient taking up space where someone more deserving is on a waiting list.

[GrumpyOldMan]

It just means there is now one less kidney patient taking up space where someone more deserving is on a waiting list.

Hmm, in an almost, but not quite sarcastic voice, "Would her death qualify as being caused by COVID? or should the cause of death be recorded as stupidity."

[Taltarzac725]

Where do major US religions stand on the COVID-19 vaccination? - East Idaho News (https://www.eastidahonews.com/2021/08/where-do-major-us-religions-stand-on-the-covid-19-vaccination/)

This might be of some help.

[Byte1]

It's her choice, and we all know that women have legal control of their bodies.....:a040:

[coffeebean]

There is a story in the news today about a woman who needs a kidney transplant. She has a friend who will provide the kidney, but the hospital will not perform the surgery unless both women get the COVID vaccine. They both refuse to get the vaccine because of their religion, so the woman is prepared to die because she cannot get the surgery. I am not an expert on religion or medicine, but, apparently the woman's religion will allow her to undergo major surgery, involving multiple drugs and medical intervention, to remove her kidney and replace it with another person's kidney, and then take anti-rejection drugs forever. But, the religion will not allow her to be vaccinated for the COVID virus. Can someone please explain how this makes any sense?
She won't die if she gets dialysis treatment.

[Byte1]

She won't die if she gets dialysis treatment.

Or they can go to another hospital where they WILL perform the LIFE SAVING operation. I don't know if the story is true, but I believe there is more to the story than we are reading.
By the way, I had a relative in the hospital for is dialysis treatment and he died with Covid. So, I guess dialysis was not the answer at that particular time. Of course, the cause of death that I received from the family was Covid.

[Velvet]

:bigbow:

there are actually very few religions who have documented, doctrinal reasons for not believing in immunizations.
Despite the fact that it has been dominating national news, evangelical Christianity isn’t one of them.
Still, some Christians and other people of faith are citing their religion as a reason why they won’t get the COVID-19 vaccine.

Curious as to what their “religion” is?

Anything they want it to be. Religion is amorphously defined, look at all the cults that call themselves religion. I am not sure if you need more than one person to “believe” in something for it to be called a religion. One could say, “God told me, no Covid vaccine!” And who can say to you, “He did not!”

[Boffin]

This individual is definitely a Darwin Award candidate.

[lkagele]

There is a story in the news today about a woman who needs a kidney transplant. She has a friend who will provide the kidney, but the hospital will not perform the surgery unless both women get the COVID vaccine. They both refuse to get the vaccine because of their religion, so the woman is prepared to die because she cannot get the surgery. I am not an expert on religion or medicine, but, apparently the woman's religion will allow her to undergo major surgery, involving multiple drugs and medical intervention, to remove her kidney and replace it with another person's kidney, and then take anti-rejection drugs forever. But, the religion will not allow her to be vaccinated for the COVID virus. Can someone please explain how this makes any sense?

The religious objection is due to using fetal parts from aborted babies used in the development of the vaccine. Also, recipient has recovered from CV previously and tests positive for antibodies. Both donor and recipient were willing to sign waivers releasing the hospital from any liability if either one was to die of CV.

This religious objection isn't unique. It's held by millions of pro-life Christians. Agree or disagree, you still should be respecting one's personal religious beliefs. At least, that's what I think.

Considering the recipient has tested positive for antibodies and both are willing to sign waivers, the hospital has given a rather lame reasoning why it can't perform the transplant. “Patients who have received a transplanted organ are at significant risk from COVID-19. Should they become infected, they are at particularly high risk of serious illness, hospitalization and death. … A living donor can pass COVID-19 infection to an organ recipient, even if they initially test negative for the disease, putting the patient’s life at risk." Newsflash: Patients not receiving a needed transplant is putting the patient's life at risk.

This has nothing to do with CV or risk or science. This is a Woke hospital that doesn't care if patients of a perceived political belief receive proper treatment or not.

Sorry I said the "p" word. I've already received two, Dean Wormer, double secret demerit points for apparently making "p" posts.

[jimbomaybe]

Hmm, in an almost, but not quite sarcastic voice, "Would her death qualify as being caused by COVID? or should the cause of death be recorded as stupidity." Nomination for the "Darwin Award" for sure

[ThirdOfFive]

Religion is a Cult.
Heh.

In my experience, a "cult" is what the OTHER guy believes in.

[ThirdOfFive]

There is a story in the news today about a woman who needs a kidney transplant. She has a friend who will provide the kidney, but the hospital will not perform the surgery unless both women get the COVID vaccine. They both refuse to get the vaccine because of their religion, so the woman is prepared to die because she cannot get the surgery. I am not an expert on religion or medicine, but, apparently the woman's religion will allow her to undergo major surgery, involving multiple drugs and medical intervention, to remove her kidney and replace it with another person's kidney, and then take anti-rejection drugs forever. But, the religion will not allow her to be vaccinated for the COVID virus. Can someone please explain how this makes any sense?
"Can someone please explain how this makes any sense?"

Not knowing anything more about this story than what I've read here, it is possible that the hospital in question is taking this road because of the increased risk of getting an infectious disease while in the hospital. Probably more dangerous to the recipient than to the donor (transplants, as I understand it, involve suppressing the recipient's immune system, which makes catching other diseases much more likely) so it is understandable from that perspective.

However unless the hospital sticks to the same rule during, say, the height of flu season, the donor and recipient in this case might have grounds for some kind of action against the hospital, especially if they could show that the hospital respected religious beliefs in other similar situations. The 1st Amendment would come into play if the hospital accepts any kind of government funding including Medicare payments.

[GrumpyOldMan]

The religious objection is due to using fetal parts from aborted babies used in the development of the vaccine. Also, recipient has recovered from CV previously and tests positive for antibodies. Both donor and recipient were willing to sign waivers releasing the hospital from any liability if either one was to die of CV.

This religious objection isn't unique. It's held by millions of pro-life Christians. Agree or disagree, you still should be respecting one's personal religious beliefs. At least, that's what I think.

Considering the recipient has tested positive for antibodies and both are willing to sign waivers, the hospital has given a rather lame reasoning why it can't perform the transplant. “Patients who have received a transplanted organ are at significant risk from COVID-19. Should they become infected, they are at particularly high risk of serious illness, hospitalization and death. … A living donor can pass COVID-19 infection to an organ recipient, even if they initially test negative for the disease, putting the patient’s life at risk." Newsflash: Patients not receiving a needed transplant is putting the patient's life at risk.

This has nothing to do with CV or risk or science. This is a Woke hospital that doesn't care if patients of a perceived political belief receive proper treatment or not.

Sorry I said the "p" word. I've already received two, Dean Wormer, double secret demerit points for apparently making "p" posts.

Explanation of "fetal cells" used in COVID vaccination testing - the following was copied from a state health department website:
----
Historical fetal cell lines were derived in the 1960’s and 1970’s from two elective abortions and have been
used to create vaccines for diseases such as hepatitis A, rubella, and rabies. Abortions from which fetal
cells were obtained were elective and were not done for the purpose of vaccine development.

Any vaccine that relies on these historic cell lines will not require nor solicit new abortions."
----
And the hospital's decision is not "lame". There is a policy of no transplants for un-vaccinated to give the donated organ the best chance of surviving. If they make exceptions, they will enter into a quagmire of having to spend time and money making decisions on every case.

There are not enough organs to supply all patients that need them. The patient made the decision to NOT be vaccinated and they were aware that would disqualify them from receiving a transplant to save their life. If we had a plethora of organs sitting on the shelves waiting, then I would say you have a point. But we don't. And your position is that somehow this person is more worthy to receive the transplant than the other people who may die because this one wants to risk the organ by not following doctors' advice.

I completely disagree with that rationale. The doctors have to make decisions to ration organs every day. This is not new, other than COVID is involved and so suddenly anti-vaxxers want to take the decision out of the doctor's hands and put it in the hands of the courts.

Just like the case a couple of weeks ago of forcing a hospital to provide horse de-wormer medication and using hospital resources and beds and personnel to provide a treatment that is not recommended. So, again, they went to court.

[MDLNB]

Explanation of "fetal cells" used in COVID vaccination testing - the following was copied from a state health department website:
----
Historical fetal cell lines were derived in the 1960’s and 1970’s from two elective abortions and have been
used to create vaccines for diseases such as hepatitis A, rubella, and rabies. Abortions from which fetal
cells were obtained were elective and were not done for the purpose of vaccine development.

Any vaccine that relies on these historic cell lines will not require nor solicit new abortions."
----
And the hospital's decision is not "lame". There is a policy of no transplants for un-vaccinated to give the donated organ the best chance of surviving. If they make exceptions, they will enter into a quagmire of having to spend time and money making decisions on every case.

There are not enough organs to supply all patients that need them. The patient made the decision to NOT be vaccinated and they were aware that would disqualify them from receiving a transplant to save their life. If we had a plethora of organs sitting on the shelves waiting, then I would say you have a point. But we don't. And your position is that somehow this person is more worthy to receive the transplant than the other people who may die because this one wants to risk the organ by not following doctors' advice.

I completely disagree with that rationale. The doctors have to make decisions to ration organs every day. This is not new, other than COVID is involved and so suddenly anti-vaxxers want to take the decision out of the doctor's hands and put it in the hands of the courts.

Just like the case a couple of weeks ago of forcing a hospital to provide horse de-wormer medication and using hospital resources and beds and personnel to provide a treatment that is not recommended. So, again, they went to court.


You might want to do a bit of research on the medicine that you call "horse dewormer" before parroting lame stream media propaganda.

[GrumpyOldMan]

"However unless the hospital sticks to the same rule during, say, the height of flu season, the donor and recipient in this case might have grounds for some kind of action against the hospital, especially if they could show that the hospital respected religious beliefs in other similar situations. The 1st Amendment would come into play if the hospital accepts any kind of government funding including Medicare payments.

Actually, they do. There are protocols for being put on the organ donation list to wait for an organ to become available.

The patient KNEW that the hospital required vaccination to qualify. The patient chose not to be vaccinated and was so self disqualified. The hospital did not disqualify them.

I feel sorry for the person that won't get an organ, but imagine you (or your child) were on the waiting list with that person, and you agreed to be vaccinated and they got the kidney instead of you, and then 3 months later they died from COVID? There are not enough organs to go around, so, rationing is real-world hard decision. I completely support not giving organs to anyone that refuses to follow medical advice.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Heh.

In my experience, a "cult" is what the OTHER guy believes in.

True

I agree with the contents of this post, and I am an atheist.

[JMintzer]

Just like the case a couple of weeks ago of forcing a hospital to provide horse de-wormer medication and using hospital resources and beds and personnel to provide a treatment that is not recommended. So, again, they went to court.

You're really gonna' hang your hat on this lie? You know better than this...

Or, should I say, I HOPE you know better than this. Because of you don't, you've lost whatever credibility you ever had...

[GrumpyOldMan]

You might want to do a bit of research on the medicine that you call "horse dewormer" before parroting lame stream media propaganda.

I have researched it. It is NOT approved for use in humans for the treatment of COVID. PERIOD.

Aren't you one that previously complained about the vaccines not being approved for the treatment of COVID?

[GrumpyOldMan]

You're really gonna' hang your hat on this lie? You know better than this...

Or, should I say, I HOPE you know better than this. Because of you don't, you've lost whatever credibility you ever had...

I will hang my hat on the drug that is NOT approved for use in treating COVID in humans. Seems "not approved" was a regular comment against vaccinations recently. I guess NOT APPROVED only applies when someone disagrees with it. If THEY want it, then it doesn't matter.

I make NO claims on whether it is effective or not.

I will hang my hat on it is WRONG for a judge to decide medical treatment over doctors.

[JMintzer]

I have researched it. It is NOT approved for use in humans for the treatment of COVID. PERIOD.

Aren't you one that previously complained about the vaccines not being approved for the treatment of COVID?

And those using it under medical supervision are NOT using "Horse Dewormer"... But you knew that...

[JMintzer]

I will hang my hat on the drug that is NOT approved for use in treating COVID in humans. Seems "not approved" was a regular comment against vaccinations recently. I guess NOT APPROVED only applies when someone disagrees with it. If THEY want it, then it doesn't matter.

I make NO claims on whether it is effective or not.

I will hang my hat on it is WRONG for a judge to decide medical treatment over doctors.

You mean the doctors who are actually prescribing Ivermectin?

Are you familiar with doctors prescribing medicine "off label"? It happens all the time...

But sure... Try to mock those who prescribe it by calling it "Horse Dewormer"... It adds sooo much to your argument...

[Bill14564]

The religious objection is due to using fetal parts from aborted babies used in the development of the vaccine. Also, recipient has recovered from CV previously and tests positive for antibodies. Both donor and recipient were willing to sign waivers releasing the hospital from any liability if either one was to die of CV.

This religious objection isn't unique. It's held by millions of pro-life Christians. Agree or disagree, you still should be respecting one's personal religious beliefs. At least, that's what I think.

Considering the recipient has tested positive for antibodies and both are willing to sign waivers, the hospital has given a rather lame reasoning why it can't perform the transplant. “Patients who have received a transplanted organ are at significant risk from COVID-19. Should they become infected, they are at particularly high risk of serious illness, hospitalization and death. … A living donor can pass COVID-19 infection to an organ recipient, even if they initially test negative for the disease, putting the patient’s life at risk." Newsflash: Patients not receiving a needed transplant is putting the patient's life at risk.

This has nothing to do with CV or risk or science. This is a Woke hospital that doesn't care if patients of a perceived political belief receive proper treatment or not.

Sorry I said the "p" word. I've already received two, Dean Wormer, double secret demerit points for apparently making "p" posts.

There are no fetal parts from aborted babies used in the development of the vaccines. There are cell lines used for development and production of *some* vaccines that are derived from cells that were obtained 35 or 50 years ago but the vaccines themselves do not contain any aborted fetal cells.

Here is an information sheet on the topic. (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjdscuWgrvzAhVkQzABHeA9Bu8QFnoECCQQAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpublichealth.lacounty.gov%2Fmedia %2Fcoronavirus%2Fdocs%2Fvaccine%2FVaccineDevelopme nt_FetalCellLines.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2FGaVh_aYmoi84ClUYdwre)

It would appear the main religions do not object to the vaccines. How far should we go with allowing someone to invent their own religion customized with objections to the issue of the day?

[MDLNB]

I have researched it. It is NOT approved for use in humans for the treatment of COVID. PERIOD.

Aren't you one that previously complained about the vaccines not being approved for the treatment of COVID?


No. I have never said anything about the vaccines not being approved. You are mistaken.
I may have mentioned that moderna has not been approved for a booster, YET.

[macawlaw]

The religious objection is due to using fetal parts from aborted babies used in the development of the vaccine. Also, recipient has recovered from CV previously and tests positive for antibodies. Both donor and recipient were willing to sign waivers releasing the hospital from any liability if either one was to die of CV.

This religious objection isn't unique. It's held by millions of pro-life Christians. Agree or disagree, you still should be respecting one's personal religious beliefs. At least, that's what I think.

Except this is not true. J&J tested the vaccine using a line originally started in the 70s from aborted cells. No aborted cells are in the vaccine.

Neither Pfizer nor Moderna used aborted cells in the vaccine or tested the vaccine on a cell line from an aborted fetus.

Thus, 2/3 of the vaccines available have no ties to abortion.

[GrumpyOldMan]

And those using it under medical supervision are NOT using "Horse Dewormer"... But you knew that...

I did and was using the pop colloquialism which the "other side" love to do to belittle progressives.

[GrumpyOldMan]

You mean the doctors who are actually prescribing Ivermectin?

Are you familiar with doctors prescribing medicine "off label"? It happens all the time...

But sure... Try to mock those who prescribe it by calling it "Horse Dewormer"... It adds sooo much to your argument...

Hmm, so it is okay to use drugs off-label if you want it, but not okay to use vaccines actually approved for emergency use.

I understand.

[GrumpyOldMan]

No. I have never said anything about the vaccines not being approved. You are mistaken.
I may have mentioned that moderna has not been approved for a booster, YET.

I apologize, my mistake. It was certainly a common complaint and I should have checked.

[Velvet]

Except this is not true. J&J tested the vaccine using a line originally started in the 70s from aborted cells. No aborted cells are in the vaccine.

Neither Pfizer nor Moderna used aborted cells in the vaccine or tested the vaccine on a cell line from an aborted fetus.

Thus, 2/3 of the vaccines available have no ties to abortion.

You know that an anti-vaccer is not likely to be interested in FACTS. They make up their own.

[MDLNB]

I apologize, my mistake. It was certainly a common complaint and I should have checked.


True, some were complaining or using that as a reason to decline vaccination. Had my vaccination at the beginning of the year.

[MDLNB]

Except this is not true. J&J tested the vaccine using a line originally started in the 70s from aborted cells. No aborted cells are in the vaccine.

Neither Pfizer nor Moderna used aborted cells in the vaccine or tested the vaccine on a cell line from an aborted fetus.

Thus, 2/3 of the vaccines available have no ties to abortion.


From what I read (right or wrong) J&J was produced from infected monkey excrement. :clap2:

[tvbound]

Hmm, so it is okay to use drugs off-label if you want it, but not okay to use vaccines actually approved for emergency use.

I understand.

"I understand."

I certainly agree with what you say as the truth, but due to it making no sense and is so hypocritical, I can't honestly say that - " I understand."

[GrumpyOldMan]

"I understand."

I certainly agree with what you say as the truth, but due to it making no sense and is so hypocritical, I can't honestly say that - " I understand."

In what way is my post hypocritical?

[lkagele]

Explanation of "fetal cells" used in COVID vaccination testing - the following was copied from a state health department website:
----
Historical fetal cell lines were derived in the 1960’s and 1970’s from two elective abortions and have been
used to create vaccines for diseases such as hepatitis A, rubella, and rabies. Abortions from which fetal
cells were obtained were elective and were not done for the purpose of vaccine development.

Any vaccine that relies on these historic cell lines will not require nor solicit new abortions."
----
And the hospital's decision is not "lame". There is a policy of no transplants for un-vaccinated to give the donated organ the best chance of surviving. If they make exceptions, they will enter into a quagmire of having to spend time and money making decisions on every case.

There are not enough organs to supply all patients that need them. The patient made the decision to NOT be vaccinated and they were aware that would disqualify them from receiving a transplant to save their life. If we had a plethora of organs sitting on the shelves waiting, then I would say you have a point. But we don't. And your position is that somehow this person is more worthy to receive the transplant than the other people who may die because this one wants to risk the organ by not following doctors' advice.

I completely disagree with that rationale. The doctors have to make decisions to ration organs every day. This is not new, other than COVID is involved and so suddenly anti-vaxxers want to take the decision out of the doctor's hands and put it in the hands of the courts.

Just like the case a couple of weeks ago of forcing a hospital to provide horse de-wormer medication and using hospital resources and beds and personnel to provide a treatment that is not recommended. So, again, they went to court.

Yes, I'm aware of the fetal history. Just telling you what these ladies believe.

Should have mentioned that the kidney was being donated by her friend. That organ isn't going anywhere else so no one is missing out.

Yes, the hospital's excuse is lame to the extent of being cruel. 'We're trying to protect you from getting an infection for which your body has antibodies by denying you treatment that will certainly kill you.'

And what's with the horse dewormer? The hospital was requested to prescribe Ivermectin. Ivermectin is approved for human use and has been so effective its creators won a Nobel prize. Merck owns Ivermectin, $0.50 per pill, and is coming out with a touted therapeutic pill, $700+ for treatment. What are the odds the pills will work the same? Follow the money.

[lkagele]

You know that an anti-vaccer is not likely to be interested in FACTS. They make up their own.

Dude. Reading comprehension problems? I'm well aware of the histories of the fetal cells in these vaccines. I was simply relaying the religious reasons these ladies stated were their reasons in refusing to get a vaccine.

[lkagele]

I will hang my hat on the drug that is NOT approved for use in treating COVID in humans. Seems "not approved" was a regular comment against vaccinations recently. I guess NOT APPROVED only applies when someone disagrees with it. If THEY want it, then it doesn't matter.

I make NO claims on whether it is effective or not.

I will hang my hat on it is WRONG for a judge to decide medical treatment over doctors.

Let me guess. But school boards over doctors and parents is OK?

[GrumpyOldMan]

Let me guess. But school boards over doctors and parents is OK?

I think you missed the point, I was responding to someone else and not in favor of either. I was pointing out the lack of consistency on what people want to believe.

Nope, absolutely not. Personally, I am in favor of the federal government mandating masks and vaccinations. It's not going to happen, but that is what I would do if I was dictator for a day.

[macawlaw]

From what I read (right or wrong) J&J was produced from infected monkey excrement. :clap2:

THAT, I did not research. I had Pfizer. DH had J&J, though. Has he been eating more bananas recently?

[Bogie Shooter]

Let me guess. But school boards over doctors and parents is OK?

Watching those idiots running their mouths, in protest, towards school board members, at board meetings is good entertainment .

[coralway]

There is a story in the news today about a woman who needs a kidney transplant. She has a friend who will provide the kidney, but the hospital will not perform the surgery unless both women get the COVID vaccine. They both refuse to get the vaccine because of their religion, so the woman is prepared to die because she cannot get the surgery. I am not an expert on religion or medicine, but, apparently the woman's religion will allow her to undergo major surgery, involving multiple drugs and medical intervention, to remove her kidney and replace it with another person's kidney, and then take anti-rejection drugs forever. But, the religion will not allow her to be vaccinated for the COVID virus. Can someone please explain how this makes any sense?






There are elected state representatives who claim COVID-19 vaccines contain tentacled creatures that enter the human body. Or, rather a former representative made that claim, as he was recently forced to resign.

[JMintzer]

I apologize, my mistake. It was certainly a common complaint and I should have checked.

I await your apology, because that is the only argument I've made, as well...

[JMintzer]

Watching those idiots running their mouths, in protest, at school board meetings is good entertainment .

That's no way to talk about school board members...

[MDLNB]

That's no way to talk about school board members...


:mademyday::clap2:

[Bogie Shooter]

That's no way to talk about school board members...

I fixed that for you…….

[MDLNB]

Watching those idiots running their mouths, in protest, towards school board members, at board meetings is good entertainment .


How dare those parents care for their children's welfare!

[Villageswimmer]

Ignorance is displayed in many different ways….

Or..some people really want attention.

[JMintzer]

I fixed that for you…….

Huh?

[swooner]

Ignorance is displayed in many different ways….
Ain't that the truth!

[coffeebean]

Catholics can not use the religious exemption as an excuse for refusing the Covid vaccine. Evidently, The Pope does not find it a problem........

Pope Francis urges people to get vaccinated against Covid-19 - Vatican News (https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2021-08/pope-francis-appeal-covid-19-vaccines-act-of-love.html)

[butlerperkins@gmail.com]

2021 1011 Monday @ 12:25
Somewhere along the lines, we seem to have utterly lost our compassion. So much of these many comments dink back and forth between two "sides". It is hard reading this conversation, really hard. It is hard to imagine anyone saying let him/her die.

WTFocaccia! What kind of people are writing these words!? What kind of people think such thoughts!?

As a former medical practitioner, I wouldn't hesitate to scrub in for the surgery. My training was to save lives. This individual's life could be / can be saved. Are we not all together for saving someone's life - when it is a life capable of being saved!?

Why are you bickering at all!?

[frose]

we all needed to be vaccinated to start school back in the sixties. you get jabbed with everything you can think of before going overseas in the military, get flu shots(vaccines) every year, what the hell is the problem..

[MDLNB]

we all needed to be vaccinated to start school back in the sixties. you get jabbed with everything you can think of before going overseas in the military, get flu shots(vaccines) every year, what the hell is the problem..


Maybe it's a matter of having the freedom of choice as to whether or not you wish being vaccinated. Maybe some folks are tired of being told one thing today and another tomorrow, regarding this virus and the protection the vaccination may or may not produce. Maybe to some, it is a political thing (hope not). Americans do not like to be FORCED to comply with the whims of others, right or wrong.

Everyone dies eventually. The question is what will you do to insure a longer life? When it comes right down to it, it is NOT a matter of protecting your neighbor. In reality, your neighbor only counts if it is convenient for you. Most won't agree, but that is the simple truth.

I am not an anti-vaxxer, but I still do not get the flu shot. Never had the flu and never saw the reason to get it. The FLU shot is not mandated by the gov and neither should the Covid vaccination be mandated. Just my opinion.

[SkBlogW]

The religious objection is due to using fetal parts from aborted babies used in the development of the vaccine. Also, recipient has recovered from CV previously and tests positive for antibodies. Both donor and recipient were willing to sign waivers releasing the hospital from any liability if either one was to die of CV.


This has nothing to do with CV or risk or science. This is a Woke hospital that doesn't care if patients of a perceived political belief receive proper treatment or not.


Hmmmm Why is the fact that the woman is a covid survivor and tests positive for antibodies missing from most press reports and 99% of the comments in this thread?

This lady could easily prove that as a covid survivor, she is much less likely to be reinfected than a fully vaccinated person is likely to get a breakthrough case.

The data shows that reinfections are less than 1% of cases and very rare. The CDC and numerous states have reported breakthrough cases running at 25% during the delta surge.

[Challenger]

If she would rather die than get the vaccination, then I guess that is her right.

Called 'Thining the Herd"

[coffeebean]

Hmmmm Why is the fact that the woman is a covid survivor and tests positive for antibodies missing from most press reports and 99% of the comments in this thread?

This lady could easily prove that as a covid survivor, she is much less likely to be reinfected than a fully vaccinated person is likely to get a breakthrough case.

The data shows that reinfections are less than 1% of cases and very rare. The CDC and numerous states have reported breakthrough cases running at 25% during the delta surge.

Last I checked cruise lines do not accept Covid survivors for embarkation on ships. Maybe in the future, that may change. Cruise lines accept proof of vaccination or a negative Covid test for embarkation.

[MDLNB]

Last I checked cruise lines do not accept Covid survivors for embarkation on ships. Maybe in the future, that may change. Cruise lines accept proof of vaccination or a negative Covid test for embarkation.


Cruise lines are desperate for passengers, and will practically pay you to ride with them.

[Ben Franklin]

Man has created every goddess and god he has ever worshiped, all 12,000+ of them. No man made religion has come out against vaccinations, that I m aware of. If a person doesn't want to accept science, then all science should be denied to them, including hospitalization, should they get COVID. How would you ever justify being against science trying to prevent you from getting COVID and then accepting science trying to save you? It doesn't make sense, rationally.

[Villageswimmer]

Cruise lines are desperate for passengers, and will practically pay you to ride with them.

What? Have you checked cruise fares lately?

[SkBlogW]

If a person doesn't want to accept science, then all science should be denied to them, including hospitalization, should they get COVID. How would you ever justify being against science trying to prevent you from getting COVID and then accepting science trying to save you? It doesn't make sense, rationally.

Since the CDC says that 78% of covid deaths are obese people, and since the USA is the most obese nation on earth which is one of the main reasons we have the world's highest death total, I'm going to rewrite your comment.

If an obese person doesn't want to accept science, then all science should be denied to them, including hospitalization, should they get COVID. How would you ever justify being against science trying to prevent you from dying from COVID and then accepting science trying to save you? It doesn't make sense, rationally.

[Velvet]

I find it interesting that in my northern city the millennials refer to those who are unvaccinated as the “dirty” people. And these were the same guys who used to call Covid “the boomer remover”.

[Bill14564]

Since the CDC says that 78% of covid deaths are obese people, and since the USA is the most obese nation on earth which is one of the main reasons we have the world's highest death total, I'm going to rewrite your comment.

If an obese person doesn't want to accept science, then all science should be denied to them, including hospitalization, should they get COVID. How would you ever justify being against science trying to prevent you from dying from COVID and then accepting science trying to save you? It doesn't make sense, rationally.

Not only is your rewrite foolish, it is based on a faulty analysis. You misunderstand the numbers presented in a study that acknowledged it's own limitations. I explained this before yet here it is again.

Two common errors: using bad data and using data badly.

[SkBlogW]

Not only is your rewrite foolish, it is based on a faulty analysis. You misunderstand the numbers presented in a study that acknowledged it's own limitations. I explained this before yet here it is again.

Two common errors: using bad data and using data badly.

You explained nothing before but came up with a bunch a gibberish about how the CDC was wrong about the 78% obesity in their study. Notice that no one in that thread agreed with your analysis? Should give you a clue.

Go to any hospital that treats covid and ask them if obesity is associated with a very large percentage of their hospitalized, intubated, or dead patients. That's what the CDC measured and that's what they found. Let us know when you have corrected the CDC errors.

You don't need a scientific study to know that obesity has played a huge part in the death toll from covid. Obesity causes heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes etc etc that are tops on the list for commorbidities that are associated with severe covid.

[MDLNB]

What? Have you checked cruise fares lately?


I know folks that pay very little; mostly taxes and port fees. They go on at least one cruise a year. Personally, I do not see the lure, but different strokes.......and all that.