Two countries put halt to vaccinations

[MDLNB]

Bloomberg (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-06/sweden-halts-moderna-s-covid-vaccine-for-people-aged-30-or-under) reported,

Sweden and Denmark decided to halt vaccinations with Moderna Inc.’s Covid-19 shot for younger people because of potential side effects.
The Swedish health authority Wednesday cited new data on the increased risk of heart inflammation as a reason for the pause for those aged 30 and under. Denmark will stop giving the shot to those younger than 18.

[Two Bills]

Not a problem.
They will probably give them another vaccine.
In UK we stopped giving the Astra Zenica vaccine to under 40's some time ago because of a similar problem.
They now give them the Pfizer vaccine instead.

[JMintzer]

Not a problem.
They will probably give them another vaccine.
In UK we stopped giving the Astra Zenica vaccine to under 40's some time ago because of a similar problem.
They now give them the Pfizer vaccine instead.

No, they will probably not... They have lifted most if not all restrictions in both of those countries and life has gone back to normal...

[Two Bills]

No, they will probably not... They have lifted most if not all restrictions in both of those countries and life has gone back to normal...

Probably checked with you first.

[GrumpyOldMan]

I can't keep up, wasn't it Sweden that is always disparaged by everyone here? Now, they are showing the way out of COVID? Hmm, I can't keep up, could someone provide a guide book?

[Kelevision]

No, they will probably not... They have lifted most if not all restrictions in both of those countries and life has gone back to normal...

The Swedish agency said the vaccine from Pfizer is recommended for these age groups instead. Its decision to suspend the Moderna vaccine is valid until Dec. 1.

[Bill14564]

No, they will probably not... They have lifted most if not all restrictions in both of those countries and life has gone back to normal...

Maybe they already have.

Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-pauses-use-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-young-men-2021-10-07/)

Mika Salminen, director of the Finnish health institute, said Finland would instead give Pfizer's vaccine to men born in 1991 and later. Finland offers shots to people aged 12 and over.
Norwegian health officials reiterated on Wednesday that they recommended men under the age of 30 opt for Pfizer's vaccine.

AP (https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-business-denmark-public-health-health-453163d8f93618fde90c06d3474921a0)

The Swedish agency said the vaccine from Pfizer is recommended for these age groups instead. Its decision to suspend the Moderna vaccine is valid until Dec. 1.
In non-EU member Norway, the Norwegian Institute of Public Health urged young people under 30 to opt for the Pfizer vaccine “due to an increased risk of a rare side effect” with Moderna.

In Denmark, children and young people ages 12-17 have primarily been invited to receive the COVID-19 vaccine from Pfizer.

[MDLNB]

I believe that JMintzer is correct, that those countries have very little if any restrictions and seem to be doing as well as those of us that have restrictions that have all but crippled our economy.

[Velvet]

Why your title, OP? The countries did not stop vaccination, only one type of vaccine. So the US stopped vaccination too, because they don’t use Astra Zeneca?

[Happydaz]

Sweden has 10 million people and Finland has 5 million people. We forget how small these countries are. Interesting to hear about, but not always applicable to us. Florida has 22 million people. (Norway 5 million people, Denmark 5 million people. All of Scandinavia has a few more people than Florida.)

[MDLNB]

Sweden has 10 million people and Finland has 5 million people. We forget how small these countries are. Interesting to hear about, but not always applicable to us. Florida has 22 million people. (Norway 5 million people, Denmark 5 million people. All of Scandinavia has a few more people than Florida.)


Exactly! :clap2:

[MDLNB]

Why your title, OP? The countries did not stop vaccination, only one type of vaccine. So the US stopped vaccination too, because they don’t use Astra Zeneca?


Because it was the title of the article? If you read the post, you would see that it was expounded upon. Since we have some posters on here that insist on commenting on how great other countries are compared to ours, I thought I would inject a bit of fodder into the ongoing conversation.

It's always good to know what kind of results others have with medicines that also effect us, good or bad.

[Arctic Fox]

wasn't it Sweden that is always disparaged by everyone here? Now, they are showing the way out of COVID?

I always though Sweden had the right idea - treat people as adults and let them take as many precautions as they felt necessary.

Of course, it could all have gone horribly wrong, but then there were so many unknowns (and still are) that none of the various paths taken by different countries was guaranteed to work.

New Zealand and Australia adopted a "keep out" policy and were slow to start vaccinating. That kept deaths down to start with, but now they face the problem that very few have immunity so any break-out could be disastrous.

I think, on the whole, everyone has done their best given the circumstances, and hopefully we have learnt some lessons for next time.

[Kelevision]

NO!!!! 2 countries put a stop to the Moderna vaccine for people under a certain age. They are using Pfizer instead. This is how rumors get started.

[Byte1]

NO!!!! 2 countries put a stop to the Moderna vaccine for people under a certain age. They are using Pfizer instead. This is how rumors get started.

What part of the OP do you consider rumor based?

[justjim]

Bloomberg (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-06/sweden-halts-moderna-s-covid-vaccine-for-people-aged-30-or-under) reported,

Sweden and Denmark decided to halt vaccinations with Moderna Inc.’s Covid-19 shot for younger people because of potential side effects.
The Swedish health authority Wednesday cited new data on the increased risk of heart inflammation as a reason for the pause for those aged 30 and under. Denmark will stop giving the shot to those younger than 18.

The operative word here is “potential”. That said, they have options to go to another covid vaccine for this age group. There are possible side effects from every type of shot and every medication you take and even an aspirin has possible side effects. Big pharma has many attorneys to cover their bases. Bottom line, a vaccine approved by the CDC to protect a person from Covid 19 and the Delta variant is by far the better choice than getting Covid where over 700,000 in the US have died. Some of those that recover from Covid have pain and suffering for the rest of their lives. A vaccination just makes sense for the better good so we can all get back to normal and on with our lives. The good far out weights the small potential side effects IMHO.

[Boomer]

It is a tabloid-y headline/thread title — and whoever wrote it knows it. Gotta keep ‘em stoked, ya know.

[blueash]

Posted by Velvet
Why your title, OP? The countries did not stop vaccination, only one type of vaccine.

Because it was the title of the article? If you read the post, you would see that it was expounded upon. Since we have some posters on here that insist on commenting on how great other countries are compared to ours, I thought I would inject a bit of fodder into the ongoing conversation.

It's always good to know what kind of results others have with medicines that also effect us, good or bad.

The title of the thread you started is

Two countries put halt to vaccinations

When you are challenged on your title you trot out the defense that you just used the words from the article's title. Well you didn't. I am not stupid enough to fail to check to see if I am being lied to. I don't like being lied to.

I don't know if people get penalized on this site for lying. I hope so.

[Chi-Town]

The title of the thread you started is

Two countries put halt to vaccinations

When you are challenged on your title you trot out the defense that you just used the words from the article's title. Well you didn't. I am not stupid enough to fail to check to see if I am being lied to. I don't like being lied to.

I don't know if people get penalized on this site for lying. I hope so.

Good catch.

[Two Bills]

What part of the OP do you consider rumor based?

It was certainly wrong, and just click bait.

[kenoc7]

No, they will probably not... They have lifted most if not all restrictions in both of those countries and life has gone back to normal...
Because of high vaccination rates. When will the blockhead anti-vaxxers in the USA get into their thigh heads that you aren't going back to normal until the vaccination rates everywhere are over 80%?

[Love2Swim]

Why waste time responding to this post? Cleary an agenda, another stir-the-pot Covid post. Those who actually read facts know what the true story is.

[Eg_cruz]

Bloomberg (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-06/sweden-halts-moderna-s-covid-vaccine-for-people-aged-30-or-under) reported,

Sweden and Denmark decided to halt vaccinations with Moderna Inc.’s Covid-19 shot for younger people because of potential side effects.
The Swedish health authority Wednesday cited new data on the increased risk of heart inflammation as a reason for the pause for those aged 30 and under. Denmark will stop giving the shot to those younger than 18.
Dr. Robert Malone recommends the shot for 65 and older and people with health issues only.
I have a friend who’s daughter is a dancers at Disney so she had to get the shot after her first shot started having heart issues. The first month after shot she was sent the ER three times with heart problems. This was a very healthy young lady and now her health is up in the air.

Read or watch Dr. Robert Malone about Covid and the shot.

[La lamy]

Moderna's Covid vaccine has a much bigger dose at 100 micrograms versus Pfizer's 30 micrograms, so it makes sense that a switch to Pfizer would be better for younger people in my humble opinion.

[DAVES]

Not a problem.
They will probably give them another vaccine.
In UK we stopped giving the Astra Zenica vaccine to under 40's some time ago because of a similar problem.
They now give them the Pfizer vaccine instead.

I think all will agree we are in a state of confusion. We expect, we demand perfection and it does not exist-it never does. Risk of getting the vaccine? I'm a bit surprised that no one yet has done a study on how many people have been injured in car accidents to get the vaccine.

I'm not even sure what it means BUT, Pfizer is owned by Germany, China and the US,
Moderna is US owned and Astra Zenica is English. Cost? As it is government paid no one asks. If, I recall, Pfizer is a dollar more than Moderna. Far above my pay grade and I seem to be the only one to ask. Who or what decides which to use. Pfizer was two shots-now it is three at least I think that is so. JNJ was one-now it is two at least I think that is so. Once you make a choice after reading and enie, meani miighty, mow there ar no do overs ie take back Pfizer and gimmmeee Moderna

[jammaiora]

Bloomberg (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-06/sweden-halts-moderna-s-covid-vaccine-for-people-aged-30-or-under) reported,

Sweden and Denmark decided to halt vaccinations with Moderna Inc.’s Covid-19 shot for younger people because of potential side effects.
The Swedish health authority Wednesday cited new data on the increased risk of heart inflammation as a reason for the pause for those aged 30 and under. Denmark will stop giving the shot to those younger than 18.
I wouldn't be using Sweden as a prudent source for how to deal with the pandemic!

[Waltdisney4life]

Sweden is the model we should all follow they put the people before they put big Pharma profit and political games!!!

[DAVES]

Sweden is the model we should all follow they put the people before they put big Pharma profit and political games!!!

As I point out over and over and over again, nothing is perfect. In terms of big Pharma and profit. Do you work for free? I've not seen any data on it but we know of a Pfizer, Moderna, Asto zenica and JNJ vaccines. How many companies have spent millions in research to produce a vaccine and have not produced anything that is salable. All four are corporations, the goal is to make a profit.

[NotGolfer]

.....and then there's Australia! Locked down for nearly 2 years with horrible restrictions.

[MandoMan]

Bloomberg (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-06/sweden-halts-moderna-s-covid-vaccine-for-people-aged-30-or-under) reported,

Sweden and Denmark decided to halt vaccinations with Moderna Inc.’s Covid-19 shot for younger people because of potential side effects.
The Swedish health authority Wednesday cited new data on the increased risk of heart inflammation as a reason for the pause for those aged 30 and under. Denmark will stop giving the shot to those younger than 18.

Just read this in this morning’s NYTimes: “The risk of heart problems in boys of that age was about nine times higher than in unvaccinated boys of the same age. The absolute risk is still very small, and the condition temporary. And studies have shown that Covid-19 is much more likely to cause heart problems compared with vaccination. Based on data available in June, advisers to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention unanimously voted to recommend the vaccine, saying the benefits far outweighed the risk. For every million vaccinated boys ages 12 to 17, the shots might cause a maximum of 70 myocarditis cases, but would prevent 5,700 infections, 215 hospitalizations and two deaths, the agency has estimated.“

“Of the 14 patients who showed heart abnormalities when they were admitted to the hospital, 10 still had some signs of problems when they were discharged. But when the patients were examined again a few weeks later, all five of those for whom results were available appeared to have fully recovered. Across all age groups and sexes, the overall incidence was just over two cases per 100,000 people, the study found. But when the researchers analyzed the results by age and sex, they found the highest incidence among males 16 to 29 years. The risk in females of every age was negligible.”

That is to say, don’t worry. Myocarditis just means a heart inflammation. If it’s temporary, so what? It’s not much different than the temporary inflammation most of us get in our arms for a day or two when we get a flu shot that reveals itself as pain because of the temporary swelling of tissues.

[OhioBuckeye]

Not a problem.
They will probably give them another vaccine.
In UK we stopped giving the Astra Zenica vaccine to under 40's some time ago because of a similar problem.
They now give them the Pfizer vaccine instead.

Yea Two Bills sometimes I wonder where they get their information from. I think some people are trying to play Dr. If they don’t get a shot from one company, like you said get Pfizer, that’s what get & if they didn’t get the original 1st 2 shots stay home & stay the hell away from me, because I don’t want any of these people touching me or want to breath their stinking breath. I haven’t gotten my booster shot yet but I will as soon as I know it works & not because someone thinks they originally got this vaccination thing started. I know who pushed getting these shots so I’ll wait until I get an official OK.

[golfing eagles]

Moderna's Covid vaccine has a much bigger dose at 100 micrograms versus Pfizer's 30 micrograms, so it makes sense that a switch to Pfizer would be better for younger people in my humble opinion.

The number of micrograms of the vaccines, or the dose of any medication for that matter, is not comparable between meds, only within that med itself.

50 MICROgrams of Fentanyl is far more powerful than 750 MILLIgrams of Tylenol, that's a 15,000 fold difference in "dose"

[La lamy]

The number of micrograms of the vaccines, or the dose of any medication for that matter, is not comparable between meds, only within that med itself.

50 MICROgrams of Fentanyl is far more powerful than 750 MILLIgrams of Tylenol, that's a 15,000 fold difference in "dose"

I've read that the 2 vaccines are almost identical and that Moderna has more RNA because of it's higher dose. But of course what I read might be wrong.

[jimjamuser]

Bloomberg (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-06/sweden-halts-moderna-s-covid-vaccine-for-people-aged-30-or-under) reported,

Sweden and Denmark decided to halt vaccinations with Moderna Inc.’s Covid-19 shot for younger people because of potential side effects.
The Swedish health authority Wednesday cited new data on the increased risk of heart inflammation as a reason for the pause for those aged 30 and under. Denmark will stop giving the shot to those younger than 18.
So, I guess this means that we are lucky to be OLD! And I guess that Sweden and Denmark could care less about their over 30 population. Forget those old *arts. We can just thin the herd! Good opportunity.

[JMintzer]

Because of high vaccination rates. When will the blockhead anti-vaxxers in the USA get into their thigh heads that you aren't going back to normal until the vaccination rates everywhere are over 80%?

Whom are you calling an "anti-vaxxer"?

And what, pray tell is "thigh head"?

[JMintzer]

The number of micrograms of the vaccines, or the dose of any medication for that matter, is not comparable between meds, only within that med itself.

50 MICROgrams of Fentanyl is far more powerful than 750 MILLIgrams of Tylenol, that's a 15,000 fold difference in "dose"

Reminds me of my patients who insist on a different medication because it "had more milligrams"...

[MDLNB]

Reminds me of my patients who insist on a different medication because it "had more milligrams"...


Actually, I have read where they feel that Moderma has a longer efficacy(?) period so far, than Pfizer. It was suggested that this may be the reason that a booster has not been suggested for Moderma at this time. I had read the same thing that the other poster did where the serum in Moderma was three times stronger than Pfizer. But, if the serum is not similar in structure, I guess that wouldn't make any difference when comparing. Seems kind of weird that when giving out the vaccinations, they were telling people that it did not matter if they got a different second dose than they got with the first. Not sure where that came from. This is just a discussion. I have never suggested listening to anyone other than your personal physician.

[JMintzer]

Actually, I have read where they feel that Moderma has a longer efficacy(?) period so far, than Pfizer. It was suggested that this may be the reason that a booster has not been suggested for Moderma at this time. I had read the same thing that the other poster did where the serum in Moderma was three times stronger than Pfizer. But, if the serum is not similar in structure, I guess that wouldn't make any difference when comparing. Seems kind of weird that when giving out the vaccinations, they were telling people that it did not matter if they got a different second dose than they got with the first. Not sure where that came from. This is just a discussion. I have never suggested listening to anyone other than your personal physician.

But it's helps to diminish your opinion by claiming you said things you never said...

[Pairadocs]

I can't keep up, wasn't it Sweden that is always disparaged by everyone here? Now, they are showing the way out of COVID? Hmm, I can't keep up, could someone provide a guide book?

My perspective exactly. I constantly wonder why/how so many chatter on, defend, argue about the particular vaccine they got is "best", defile those who can't, won't, or should not get the vaccine, and all manner of variations of the same. Some, because they once worked in the medical field in come capacity, feature themselves as the final authority on this virus, others pontificate on the subject seemingly based on characteristics of bacteria more than the characteristics of a virus.... and a "new" virus at that, a man made manipulated virus that truthfully, NO ONE knows every detail of, yet, it churns on and on on social media sites. So what is it that makes individuals act like this ? Fear ? Do they realize their beliefs and conclusions may one day prove to be "wrong", and another may have been correct, so they did in to try to calm their own insecurity about if they chose the "right brand", the "right booster", the "right mask" to actually protect them ? My inclination.... I believe one day we will be totally stunned about what we believed about this virus, what we did, the things we were so certain would protect us, and many many other "facts".

[merrymini]

I think we can play doctor, after all fauci is doing it.