Info Overload: Differences in Villages and areas?

[ElDiabloJoe]

I am a non resident, not yet visited. Have spent some time poring over TV maps, looking at neighborhoods and roads. Paralysis by analysis has set in.

Trying to identify neighborhoods to avoid (turnpike noise, industrial plants/jails nearby, apartment complexes and high rental proportions, etc.), but still be relatively close to shopping and entertainment.

I understand the majority of new construction is occurring in the south. In 10 years, what will be a central location in the (fairly) newer areas of TV? Assuming "build-out" is actually defined and not changing all the time due to new land purchases and on-going construction, where might the northern part of the southern-most section of the Villages be? Before the recent large shift in southern growth, the most desirable area was near the center of 466a and 466. Where do you think that area might be in 10 years (which are probably being built now or recently or soon)?

Thanks.

[asianthree]

Posters on this site are not part of the Family, so any predictions on where TV will be in the next year much less 10 years would just be a wild guess. The developers keep land purchases quite just like Disney did for years.

I think one can speculate but would never bet on results. If there is land to be bought they will build. As long as homes sell developers will continue.

[Bill14564]

Simple way to think of it is five areas:
Historic - north east of 441
Spanish Springs - North of 466
Lake Sumter - Between 466 and 466A
Brownwood - between 466A and 44
New - south of 44

Each area has a construction style and amenities style though all between 466 and 44 are quite similar.

South of 44 includes new construction. There seems to be more of a focus on nature which brings both nice walking trails and bugs.

Apartments, crowds, and noise are all less then a mile from the squares

You can see on a map where the homes are near the turnpike. Some notice the sound and hate it while others say they don’t notice.

[DylanTodd]

'Paralysis by analysis' ... I had done some eager research before bringing the wife for a visit for Valentines Day 2021. The magic of the Villages can't be found on a website. My advice is get here as soon as you can so you experience each of the 5 zones Bill pointed out. Strategically spend a morning in one area, the spend an afternoon in another. You can get a keen sense of each neighborhood pretty quickly. Good luck with your search.

Cheers,

Dylan

[Bogie Shooter]

I am a non resident, not yet visited. Have spent some time poring over TV maps, looking at neighborhoods and roads. Paralysis by analysis has set in.

Trying to identify neighborhoods to avoid (turnpike noise, industrial plants/jails nearby, apartment complexes and high rental proportions, etc.), but still be relatively close to shopping and entertainment.

I understand the majority of new construction is occurring in the south. In 10 years, what will be a central location in the (fairly) newer areas of TV? Assuming "build-out" is actually defined and not changing all the time due to new land purchases and on-going construction, where might the northern part of the southern-most section of the Villages be? Before the recent large shift in southern growth, the most desirable area was near the center of 466a and 466. Where do you think that area might be in 10 years (which are probably being built now or recently or soon)?

Thanks.
All your questions in last paragraph have been asked many times ………since the first shovel across US441. No one , No one , has ever been able to provide an answer. EXCEPT the Villages Developer, only when they are ready.
You are going to get all kind of responses on this thread……all speculation.
Your best bet. Pause your analysis. Come visit TV and see for yourself. You will see it’s not really that complicated.

[Laker14]

El Diablo Joe, Bill 14564's post is right on the money. Frankly, I wouldn't worry about being "central" to the overall area of TV. It will be too big of an area for you to get a lot of value by trying to visit the extremes from the middle, wherever those places may happen to eventually be.
What I think would be more helpful is to try to be central to the amenities you think you'll find most meaningful to you. Supposedly, and I think this is true, if you want to be convenient to the most number of golf courses, probably between the 6s (between 466 and 466A), but there's plenty of golf north of 466, and in the Brownwood Area as well, but as you go to those extremes you'll have a longer commute to some of the tracks. If biking and hiking on the trails is your bag, the newer areas would be more attractive. There will still be golf, but not as much, and some long commutes to much of it.
I thought I could figure it out with a few short visits, and even looking at maps, but what really helped us pin down what we wanted was 3 seasons of renting. You don't need 3 seasons of renting, but the more time you spend here the better you'll understand what you want. There is a reason that so many people change locations within TV, and I think the reason is not having spent enough time in the bubble before buying.
So, what activities and features do you think you'll find most attractive?

[Stu from NYC]

Before we purchased our house we rented for a month to explore and decide if this is the place for us and where we wanted to buy.

Lots of growth here and noway to know what you want without spending a lot of time here.

[coffeebean]

To the OP...........
We wanted to be close to the 441 corridor of retail stores and familiar chain restaurants. We owned a villa in Duval for a few years when we were seasonal residents. Before we sold the villa, we purchased a home in Mallory Square which was even closer to the 441 corridor. I call it my stomping ground.

If that sort of thing is not important to you, then look further south (south of 44 if you want a newer home). It will be a long haul to the stomping ground but you will have to decide what is important to you.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Thank you for your responses. I have booked a trip in December. I appreciate the insights you all provided. Bill14564's (from Rochester?) delineation of the major areas is helpful, I have noticed others remarking on similar (North of 466, the older area, 466-466A, below 466A, and now Bill has shown me a new boundary, below 44.). We are not big golfers, and generally prefer to be close enough to cart to shopping and dining, but not so close as to hear the associated traffic. Generally prefer to be newer areas rather than older, but not need to be in brand new areas. Up to 10 years old works well as far as maturing landscaping, established retail, etc.

As an aside, as far as only the Developer knowing what they will do next, it is worth nothing that Wikipedia indicates the Developer obtained 8,000 acres south of 44, and another 2,600 acres north and south of County Road 470, both tract purchases announced in 2017.

[b0bd0herty]

Posters on this site are not part of the Family, so any predictions on where TV will be in the next year much less 10 years would just be a wild guess. The developers keep land purchases quite just like Disney did for years.

I think one can speculate but would never bet on results. If there is land to be bought they will build. As long as homes sell developers will continue.

The Villages VP of Sales Jennifer Parr revealed a few interesting facts in the first day of testimony in a federal trial Monday in federal court in Tampa:

• Parr said under oath that The Villages will double in size and that State Road 44 is now seen by the Morse family as the geographic center of the community.

[Joanne19335]

I am a non resident, not yet visited. Have spent some time poring over TV maps, looking at neighborhoods and roads. Paralysis by analysis has set in.

Trying to identify neighborhoods to avoid (turnpike noise, industrial plants/jails nearby, apartment complexes and high rental proportions, etc.), but still be relatively close to shopping and entertainment.

I understand the majority of new construction is occurring in the south. In 10 years, what will be a central location in the (fairly) newer areas of TV? Assuming "build-out" is actually defined and not changing all the time due to new land purchases and on-going construction, where might the northern part of the southern-most section of the Villages be? Before the recent large shift in southern growth, the most desirable area was near the center of 466a and 466. Where do you think that area might be in 10 years (which are probably being built now or recently or soon)?

Thanks.

Sounds like you want to be in the middle of things. I would weigh other factors as well. I have friends in Fenny that are sorry they bought there. Too much noise, houses too close together, etc. I live just south of 466. The quiet and convenience can’t be beat. Why not rent first? That will give you time and perhaps avoid buyer’s remorse.

[DaleDivine]

As each Village is being built and houses go on the market, The Villages sales agents are trained to tell you THIS IS THE BUILDOUT...
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[George Page]

Draw a 1.5 mile radius from the center of Sumter Landing on your map; then buy inside that circle south if 466. The further outside that circle you get the thinner the amenities get.

[westernrider75]

Our decision was much easier. After looking at the rather dated homes and smaller garages in the more northern areas, we knew that we wanted new construction and we love it in Monarch Grove.

[RPDaly]

Don't overlook new homes in the south come with a hefty bond.

[36Aday]

I am a non resident, not yet visited. Have spent some time poring over TV maps, looking at neighborhoods and roads. Paralysis by analysis has set in.

Trying to identify neighborhoods to avoid (turnpike noise, industrial plants/jails nearby, apartment complexes and high rental proportions, etc.), but still be relatively close to shopping and entertainment.

I understand the majority of new construction is occurring in the south. In 10 years, what will be a central location in the (fairly) newer areas of TV? Assuming "build-out" is actually defined and not changing all the time due to new land purchases and on-going construction, where might the northern part of the southern-most section of the Villages be? Before the recent large shift in southern growth, the most desirable area was near the center of 466a and 466. Where do you think that area might be in 10 years (which are probably being built now or recently or soon)?

Thanks.

I highly recommend living north of 466A. Shopping and Amenities are more plentiful. Especially if you are a golfer. We live up near 466 and it is fantastic. Good Luck

[Altavia]

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I understand the majority of new construction is occurring in the south. In 10 years, what will be a central location in the (fairly) newer areas of TV?
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Where do you think that area might be in 10 years (which are probably being built now or recently or soon)?

Thanks.

Middleton is the center based on current planning disclosed.

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New home sales continue on a 2,500-3,500 pace per year. Average village size is around 1,000 homes so that's roughly three new village per year.

Ignore the "...where I live is the best" posts. Most everywhere is very nice. Many used homes in prime locations sell before going on the market.

[Koapaka]

When deciding, keep in mind what MIGHT be the center of TV at some point in time/development and what IS the center of TV expected to be during YOUR lifetime. The age you are currently buying in can make those drastically different.

[NotGolfer]

I think that "over-thinking" is what makes for paralysis, but that's just me. Come and visit and see for yourself what's, what then you can only decide for yourselves. What others think or say .....I'd give it a "meh!" People purchase here mostly for the life-style.

[Laker14]

Don't over think this. Either come here or stay away. TV really does not need your type of personality.

Wow. How friendly and helpful!

[Bay Kid]

Before we purchased our house we rented for a month to explore and decide if this is the place for us and where we wanted to buy.

Lots of growth here and noway to know what you want without spending a lot of time here.

It will take a month not to get too lost. Explore by golf cart travel and enjoy.

[diva1]

Just something to consider...if you buy a resale home with no bond, you can fix anything you think needs updating for the price of the big bond you will be paying on the new construction homes.

[Bogie Shooter]

Don't over think this. Either come here or stay away. TV really does not need your type of personality.

Another one of your condescending personal attack posts.
Your last sentence would apply to you…………..

[butlerism]

Lately, the Riff Raff is creeping in all over many retail areas near SS.
Stay away from Walmart stores on 27/441.
I do all my shopping in the Southern areas.


Maybe, breaking it down by age group is another criterion,
Spanish Springs has older residents .
Lake Sumter Landing bit younger.
Brownwood younger again.
Fenney is (will be?) youngest.
Not a rule set in stone, but a guideline.

[M2inOR]

We discovered The Villages back in February 2019 to attend a surprise 80th birthday party for my aunt. We came down for a few days to explore and liked what we saw. We stopped by at the Spanish Springs sales office, and fortunately found a great sales person, Paul Brady. He explained everything, and encouraged us to explore north and south. We didn't have that much time but we did understand the new homes were way down South near Fenny. We visited briefly but it was too sterile for us. We also checked out Brownwood town square, and it was rather dead when compared to Lake Sumter and the Spanish Springs town squares.

We decided that the areas between 466 and 466A appeared to be the hot spot neighborhoods. For the next 6 months, we focused our research on that area. We used The Villages website to search for homes in our price range. My aunt's advice was to focus on homes where the lanai faced south or east, and were stucco on the outside.

We made a list, narrowed it down to 45 homes, and in August 2019 returned to find our "part-time" new home.

The list was narrowed when we learned that to fit a car and two golf carts inside a 2 car garage, you had to be clever. We also learned about sink holes and where they'd be more likely. We learned about road noise, too. We saw for ourselves how critters like the anoles and geckos liked to nest up in the vinyl siding if it wasn't installed correctly. We found undisclosed defects in some homes that the owner or agent wasn't aware of.

We learned our agent was a top performer who complimented us on our spreadsheets identifying the homes that met our criteria. It made it easy for him to make routes to see them.

45 homes, over 3 days in August that gave us a good sense of dealing with the rain, heat, and humidity. We toured homes we liked, but we're left with the feeling that they weren't right for us.

After that 3rd day, we met friends for lunch, expressing our disappointment.

They said, "check out Fenny, again" as a lot had changed in 6 months since our first visit.

We stopped by at the Fenny sales office and asked to see a sales person, as our agent wasn't available that day. We asked to see the most recently listed home which was in Marsh Bend. We were wide eyed when we drove along Marsh Bend Trail, lined with the live oaks with the hanging Spanish moss. We passed the Pitch and Putt, and the Lowlands golf course under construction. We entered the neighborhood surrounded by the golf course, and looked at the only 3 homes available for sale at the time. Bra spanking new, and just listed that day, and we liked each of them.

We met with our agent, Paul Brady, the next day. He listened and put together a list of a few more homes to look at in the Fenny area, which was shorthand for Marsh Bend, McClure, Monarch Grove, Fenny, and Linden Isle at the time.

We decided that Marsh Bend appealed to us the best. Asked what it took to buy, gave Paul our credit card number, and put a deposit down on an Iris that faced the right direction.

Closed in September, revisited in October, and moved in permanently in January 2020. And then the pandemic lockdown struck in March, days after we sold and closed on our Oregon home of 40 years.

So glad we were stuck in Florida and Marsh Bend for the pandemic!

For the last year or so, we've seen first hand all the new construction, and explored those new neighborhoods and homes thoroughly.

We're convinced we made the right choice at the right time.

[sallyg]

Best to rent first, if you can. There are many variables and many home styles. This place is so huge you need to be here a while before deciding. Best of luck.

[golfing eagles]

Just something to consider...if you buy a resale home with no bond, you can fix anything you think needs updating for the price of the big bond you will be paying on the new construction homes.

But.......was the cost of that bond built into the price of the resale????? Communities with CDDs are somewhat unique in that the developer does not include the cost of the infrastructure that he is responsible for into the home price, but rather has an administrative entity float a bond issue to cover the cost, which is passed on to the new buyer separately. Having paid off the bond, most sellers believe they should also recoup that cost in the selling price. Whether or not they can is a matter of negotiation, but for the moment, it is a seller's market

[golfing eagles]

We discovered The Villages back in February 2019 to attend a surprise 80th birthday party for my aunt. We came down for a few days to explore and liked what we saw. We stopped by at the Spanish Springs sales office, and fortunately found a great sales person, Paul Brady. He explained everything, and encouraged us to explore north and south. We didn't have that much time but we did understand the new homes were way down South near Fenny. We visited briefly but it was too sterile for us. We also checked out Brownwood town square, and it was rather dead when compared to Lake Sumter and the Spanish Springs town squares.

We decided that the areas between 466 and 466A appeared to be the hot spot neighborhoods. For the next 6 months, we focused our research on that area. We used The Villages website to search for homes in our price range. My aunt's advice was to focus on homes where the lanai faced south or east, and were stucco on the outside.

We made a list, narrowed it down to 45 homes, and in August 2019 returned to find our "part-time" new home.

The list was narrowed when we learned that to fit a car and two golf carts inside a 2 car garage, you had to be clever. We also learned about sink holes and where they'd be more likely. We learned about road noise, too. We saw for ourselves how critters like the anoles and geckos liked to nest up in the vinyl siding if it wasn't installed correctly. We found undisclosed defects in some homes that the owner or agent wasn't aware of.

We learned our agent was a top performer who complimented us on our spreadsheets identifying the homes that met our criteria. It made it easy for him to make routes to see them.

45 homes, over 3 days in August that gave us a good sense of dealing with the rain, heat, and humidity. We toured homes we liked, but we're left with the feeling that they weren't right for us.

After that 3rd day, we met friends for lunch, expressing our disappointment.

They said, "check out Fenny, again" as a lot had changed in 6 months since our first visit.

We stopped by at the Fenny sales office and asked to see a sales person, as our agent wasn't available that day. We asked to see the most recently listed home which was in Marsh Bend. We were wide eyed when we drove along Marsh Bend Trail, lined with the live oaks with the hanging Spanish moss. We passed the Pitch and Putt, and the Lowlands golf course under construction. We entered the neighborhood surrounded by the golf course, and looked at the only 3 homes available for sale at the time. Bra spanking new, and just listed that day, and we liked each of them.

We met with our agent, Paul Brady, the next day. He listened and put together a list of a few more homes to look at in the Fenny area, which was shorthand for Marsh Bend, McClure, Monarch Grove, Fenny, and Linden Isle at the time.

We decided that Marsh Bend appealed to us the best. Asked what it took to buy, gave Paul our credit card number, and put a deposit down on an Iris that faced the right direction.

Closed in September, revisited in October, and moved in permanently in January 2020. And then the pandemic lockdown struck in March, days after we sold and closed on our Oregon home of 40 years.

So glad we were stuck in Florida and Marsh Bend for the pandemic!

For the last year or so, we've seen first hand all the new construction, and explored those new neighborhoods and homes thoroughly.

We're convinced we made the right choice at the right time.

Welcome!

[Ski Bum]

All good advise. Take a look at a Google Earth map. Brownwood will be the center. There really is no other geographical choice. But "the center" will not be on your top 10 list of important things once you get here. "The Center" of what you enjoy doing is where you will want to be.

[golfing eagles]

I highly recommend living north of 466A. Shopping and Amenities are more plentiful. Especially if you are a golfer. We live up near 466 and it is fantastic. Good Luck

Yet I live south of 466A about 1 mile east of Brownwood and.....

There are 3 championship courses within a 10 minute cart ride, 5 within 15 minutes
There are 11 exec courses in the same radius
I agree shopping (other than grocery and pharmacy) is better up by 466, and even better if you live near SS.

[Psacc0]

I am a non resident, not yet visited. Have spent some time poring over TV maps, looking at neighborhoods and roads. Paralysis by analysis has set in.

Trying to identify neighborhoods to avoid (turnpike noise, industrial plants/jails nearby, apartment complexes and high rental proportions, etc.), but still be relatively close to shopping and entertainment.

I understand the majority of new construction is occurring in the south. In 10 years, what will be a central location in the (fairly) newer areas of TV? Assuming "build-out" is actually defined and not changing all the time due to new land purchases and on-going construction, where might the northern part of the southern-most section of the Villages be? Before the recent large shift in southern growth, the most desirable area was near the center of 466a and 466. Where do you think that area might be in 10 years (which are probably being built now or recently or soon)?

Thanks.

Thinking about your current hometown. What do you like about where you live? Do you want to be in the center of your town? Or do you wish you were more convenient to shopping? Maybe closer to major roadways & highways? After all, once you are settled in, this becomes your hometown. Being able to easily get to conveniences may be more important than nightly music, boutiques & bars!
Come down & check it out! You’ll love it! Good luck!

[DAVES]

I am a non resident, not yet visited. Have spent some time poring over TV maps, looking at neighborhoods and roads. Paralysis by analysis has set in.

Trying to identify neighborhoods to avoid (turnpike noise, industrial plants/jails nearby, apartment complexes and high rental proportions, etc.), but still be relatively close to shopping and entertainment.

I understand the majority of new construction is occurring in the south. In 10 years, what will be a central location in the (fairly) newer areas of TV? Assuming "build-out" is actually defined and not changing all the time due to new land purchases and on-going construction, where might the northern part of the southern-most section of the Villages be? Before the recent large shift in southern growth, the most desirable area was near the center of 466a and 466. Where do you think that area might be in 10 years (which are probably being built now or recently or soon)?

Thanks.

With any IMPORTANT decision, information over load is a common, a normal state of affairs.

Realize it is all a matter of OPINION. Add to that what I call decision bias. I did that, my decision was/is the best. That applies to all.

They have the villages trial. They rent you a new property at reasonably low cost. We had a PLAN, we had TIME. We did that three times, over three years. The old expression and there are many with the same wisdom-measure twice and cut once.

Assuming there is more than one involved. I would suggest writing your thoughts down and then switching lists and discussing in. Writing things down makes people think and eliminate emotion. LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION. My wife has a license, she drives a golf cart and does it well. I don't know why but she will not drive a car. I would not be happy dropping her off for the this club, or that club or whatever. Where we are,
we have three grocery stores, two with in roughly 3 miles. The third is ????? about 9 miles and she/we go by golf cart. We have the library and government offices three miles away. Three pools, a walk to one of the larger rec centers and a mile or three to several more. Everything is a compromise including budget.

Yes, prices are going up. For many, assuming you have a home you will or have sold to move here, that too is or has gone up. The increased cost here is of set by the cost of staying where you are. Many forget or ignore that reality.

[tophcfa]

Lately, the Riff Raff is creeping in all over many retail areas near SS.
Stay away from Walmart stores on 27/441.
I do all my shopping in the Southern areas.


Maybe, breaking it down by age group is another criterion,
Spanish Springs has older residents .
Lake Sumter Landing bit younger.
Brownwood younger again.
Fenney is (will be?) youngest.
Not a rule set in stone, but a guideline.

I used to think the same way about the age thing, but first hand experience has proven otherwise. We live between LSL and SS and in the last 6 plus years I have observed a significant change in our neighborhood. When we moved in we were the youngsters in a rather old neighborhood. The aging related housing turnover has been rapid. Our neighborhood has transformed into a relatively young age relative to other parts of the Villages, and we are now about average to slightly older in our neighborhood. With the rate of housing turnover, in a few short years, the North of 466 area could be one of the younger age populated areas within the Villages.

[Priebehouse]

I agree. Unless you actually experience it, you won't get the "feel". Rent one for a month and really visit as many open houses as you can. To each their own.

[lpkruege1]

I am a non resident, not yet visited. Have spent some time poring over TV maps, looking at neighborhoods and roads. Paralysis by analysis has set in.

Trying to identify neighborhoods to avoid (turnpike noise, industrial plants/jails nearby, apartment complexes and high rental proportions, etc.), but still be relatively close to shopping and entertainment.

I understand the majority of new construction is occurring in the south. In 10 years, what will be a central location in the (fairly) newer areas of TV? Assuming "build-out" is actually defined and not changing all the time due to new land purchases and on-going construction, where might the northern part of the southern-most section of the Villages be? Before the recent large shift in southern growth, the most desirable area was near the center of 466a and 466. Where do you think that area might be in 10 years (which are probably being built now or recently or soon)?

Thanks.

There are tour busses that highlight each section. I took the bus and toured the different sections and settled on the Lake Sumter area. Why. 22 minutes by golf cart to Spanish Springs, 25 minutes to Brownwood. 15 minutes either way by car to major chain shopping. Home Depot, Lowes, you name it. Do you golf? 30+ courses available by golf cart under 30 minutes, most under 20. I can enjoy all 3 town center by golf cart. Regional rec centers are 10 minutes from me. Doctors offices, dentist, chiropractors, drug stores, all about 10 minutes by cart. I agree with one of the posters. You have NO idea until you come here and experience it.

[Papa_lecki]

Plan to come down at least twice, for a week or two.

Rent in different areas. Travel around, see what you like about different areas.
Hard to judge variables based on the internet. For example, some of the places around Brownwood are probably close to the turnpike, but you can’t hear the traffic.

[Vetter]

Sounds like you want to be in the middle of things. I would weigh other factors as well. I have friends in Fenny that are sorry they bought there. Too much noise, houses too close together, etc. I live just south of 466. The quiet and convenience can’t be beat. Why not rent first? That will give you time and perhaps avoid buyer’s remorse.

Have to agree on the renting comment. Ours is a later in life marriage and we moved here from Tampa and Orlando with a lot of history and knowledge on TV. But we did not make the more serious decisions on what type of house to buy and in what area until we actually lived here for 90 days.

We rented a Villa by Colony just north of 466A (new construction back in 2013 was just south of 466A) , and my wife went to work while I spent the morning on the computer and the afternoon driving by the most promising. Then on Saturday we would get with our realtor for actual tours. Market was about as hot back then as it is today so we never had a long time to think about any house which is why you need to be here to make any real decisions on the house and location.

In the first month, we looked at what activities we liked (tennis, country club golf and polo for example) and thus decided that we wanted north of 466 first and between 466 and 466A second as we liked the older areas and have never regretted it -- probably because we took out time making the decisions on what house and where.

I have a shop off of property for my car hobby (no TV homes we can afford support 7 cars), but other than that, our designer in Chatham is great for us.

Just the thoughts of one 8 year resident.

[rogerk]

You can't understand or appreciate The Villages until you've been here. Don't overthink this. Once you're here for awhile and with a good Villages Representative you'll have a much better appreciation of the community. Believe me the good Representatives do not pressure you. Then if you want you can go home and do additional research. It will make a lot more sense.

[La lamy]

It's hard to go wrong with your choice of Villages. The developers have made great efforts to make it an active retirement paradise everywhere. If extraneous sound is a concerned you may want to not be near railroads (west side), pickleball courts, town squares (music finishes at 9 though), and yappy dog neighbours. The north has more mature trees, the south has more nature trails. But as it has been said, take your time, visit all around for a month and you'll figure it out.

[Boston-Sean]

Sounds like you want to be in the middle of things. I would weigh other factors as well. I have friends in Fenny that are sorry they bought there. Too much noise, houses too close together, etc. I live just south of 466. The quiet and convenience can’t be beat. Why not rent first? That will give you time and perhaps avoid buyer’s remorse.

Having not visited yet I'm curious what about Fenny makes it too noisy. Can't be the turnpike. What about the location of your friends home makes it noisy?

Noise is a major concern of mine and until I visit all I have to go by is looking at a map and speculating on what might be a problem.

Having said that I've lived near Logan airport for 20 years and I barely notice the planes unless they are flying right over head.

[golfing eagles]

Plan to come down at least twice, for a week or two.

Rent in different areas. Travel around, see what you like about different areas.
Hard to judge variables based on the internet. For example, some of the places around Brownwood are probably close to the turnpike, but you can’t hear the traffic.

Brownwood is nowhere near the turnpike. SR 44 runs on the south side of the Brownwood Town Square, but I'm not familiar with any houses that are close enough to 44 to hear traffic. US 301 is too far away to hear traffic as well. North of Brownwood, on the extreme west side of TV there may be an issue with train whistles.

This place is so large that forums like TOTV cannot begin to describe it. Definitely come for a visit and take in as much as you can, but better yet, if feasible, rent for a month or 2. I bought my house on the 4th day of my lifestyle visit, but I was already familiar with TV---my brother, my niece's in-laws, and an employee all lived here. I wouldn't advise that for a neophyte.

[Marathon Man]

Having not visited yet I'm curious what about Fenny makes it too noisy. Can't be the turnpike. What about the location of your friends home makes it noisy?

Noise is a major concern of mine and until I visit all I have to go by is looking at a map and speculating on what might be a problem.

Having said that I've lived near Logan airport for 20 years and I barely notice the planes unless they are flying right over head.

Fenney is not noisy. Come see for yourself.

[jimdecastro]

I am a non resident, not yet visited. Have spent some time poring over TV maps, looking at neighborhoods and roads. Paralysis by analysis has set in.

Trying to identify neighborhoods to avoid (turnpike noise, industrial plants/jails nearby, apartment complexes and high rental proportions, etc.), but still be relatively close to shopping and entertainment.

I understand the majority of new construction is occurring in the south. In 10 years, what will be a central location in the (fairly) newer areas of TV? Assuming "build-out" is actually defined and not changing all the time due to new land purchases and on-going construction, where might the northern part of the southern-most section of the Villages be? Before the recent large shift in southern growth, the most desirable area was near the center of 466a and 466. Where do you think that area might be in 10 years (which are probably being built now or recently or soon)?

Thanks.
There are just too many variables. Visiting is the key to your choice. Eventually 470 (which was renamed Central Parkway recently) will be the “halfway point”. But who knows? We just moved to Citrus Grove because of amenities that have been confirmed (hospital, Eastport, Eziel, Sawgrass, etc.). But I have to tell you, I am very concerned about the lack of retail and chain restaurants down here. Hopefully when Meggison and 470 meet that will open up some retail to the east…

[Boston-Sean]

Fenney is not noisy. Come see for yourself.

March/April next year.

[rsmurano]

You are right, if you buy south of 44, in time you will be in the middle of the villages. Look at the developers map and it shows the boundary lines of the villages and it’s much farther east and south compared to now. Check out Golden Wingnut YouTube videos on what areas are being developed now and in the next couple of years. There are no secrets, they start grading the new areas a couple of years in advance. We live in St Catherine south of 44 and according to the videos, work has started many miles east of the dead end road near us which is probably 2 years out before homes being sold

[Shellshack]

Throw a dart a a Villages Map. Where ever it lands in the Villages is better than where you live now. Come and enjoy the rest of your life.

[eweissenbach]

“Buildout” is in 2015!

[Curtisbwp]

I live in Sable Chase, a short walk from sumter landing. I love it here. Virginia Trace is also very nice. Sumter landing is is NOT in an outlining area. Spanish springs is on 27/441 and outsiders (thugs).
Brownwood has a police station for a good reason. But move where YOU are comfortable.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Just something to consider...if you buy a resale home with no bond, you can fix anything you think needs updating for the price of the big bond you will be paying on the new construction homes.

yes, except that the price of the resale has increased dramatically due to the scarcity of the new houses in that area. . . so the comment is comparing apples and oranges.

the comparison is always, how much can you afford, and where do you want to live. If you want to live 1.5 mi from LSL, and you can't afford the purchase price, or there are no houses in your price range, the bond doesn't matter either way.

The bond is a future expense. The house price is a here and now cash purchase. .

finance guy

[markusmom]

We moved here 4 months ago and live close to Sumter Landing. There are 3 town squares, Spanish Springs, Sumter Landing and Brownwood. All three have live bands every night in the square. But Sumter Landing seems to have more activities. The theatre has been open since we moved here while Spanish Springs and Brownwood are closed. It is has more swimming pools and golf courses and close to all the shopping we need. TV announced they won't be making any more town squares. However, with the new high school going in on 470 along with a new town it will probably be the center of activity in 5 years with plenty of restaurants and shopping. Sporting areas will be all together on the other side 470 with a man made lake. It is closer to the turnpike and Orlando.

[Altavia]

There are just too many variables. Visiting is the key to your choice. Eventually 470 (which was renamed Central Parkway recently) will be the “halfway point”. But who knows? We just moved to Citrus Grove because of amenities that have been confirmed (hospital, Eastport, Eziel, Sawgrass, etc.). But I have to tell you, I am very concerned about the lack of retail and chain restaurants down here. Hopefully when Meggison and 470 meet that will open up some retail to the east…

But there is ready access to the Turnpike. For now, look a little outside the Villages.


Leesburg is just 15 min away, Clairmount 20, Orlando/Tampa 45, Disney 50.

The northern sections are 20+ min further away.

[ronda]

El Diablo Joe, Bill 14564's post is right on the money. Frankly, I wouldn't worry about being "central" to the overall area of TV. It will be too big of an area for you to get a lot of value by trying to visit the extremes from the middle, wherever those places may happen to eventually be.
What I think would be more helpful is to try to be central to the amenities you think you'll find most meaningful to you. Supposedly, and I think this is true, if you want to be convenient to the most number of golf courses, probably between the 6s (between 466 and 466A), but there's plenty of golf north of 466, and in the Brownwood Area as well, but as you go to those extremes you'll have a longer commute to some of the tracks. If biking and hiking on the trails is your bag, the newer areas would be more attractive. There will still be golf, but not as much, and some long commutes to much of it.
I thought I could figure it out with a few short visits, and even looking at maps, but what really helped us pin down what we wanted was 3 seasons of renting. You don't need 3 seasons of renting, but the more time you spend here the better you'll understand what you want. There is a reason that so many people change locations within TV, and I think the reason is not having spent enough time in the bubble before buying.
So, what activities and features do you think you'll find most attractive?

Laker14, you took the words right out of my mouth. I think the area between 466 and 466A is very desirable, because of the proximity to town squares and golf courses. This appeal should remain, even if TV grows. I can't imaging an amenity they would put in the south that i won't have between the 6's, and if there is, I can always get in the car and drive to it.

I would recommend more focus on Local conditions things like: close to town squares, but not so close you hear the music at night, not close to pickle ball courts and hear the click/click, not too close the Polo field and hear the loud speakers, not too close to major road and hear traffic noise, if golf course lot then no golf cart path behind and out of range for golf balls, southern exposure on the lanai, not close to family pools and hear the kids squawking, no power lines in back yard, etc.

[frose]

rent for a couple of months to see if this place will agree with you.. made that mistake, purchased before I knew what this place was all about.

[ronda]

yes, except that the price of the resale has increased dramatically due to the scarcity of the new houses in that area. . . so the comment is comparing apples and oranges.

the comparison is always, how much can you afford, and where do you want to live. If you want to live 1.5 mi from LSL, and you can't afford the purchase price, or there are no houses in your price range, the bond doesn't matter either way.

The bond is a future expense. The house price is a here and now cash purchase. .

finance guy

Finance guy, interesting thoughts. I guess this is where behavioral economics come in.

I've grappled with how to think about the bond for a bit, before I bought my house. In my brain the bond is an ongoing carrying expense every year, like a mortgage. It's not a 100% comparison, because then bond can be transferred to the person who buys your house, if you sell it. So, I think it somewhat depends on how long you plan to keep the house. Not sure if you sell a house wiht a lower bond, if you get a higher selling price. My guess is no, but it might be viewed as more desirable than one with a higher bond, and therefore get more offers.

Also, if you buy a house without a bond, you can always take a mortgage out on it for the value of the bond you would have paid on the other house you were going to buy and call it even, if you keep the house. If you sell the house, of course you need to pay off the mortgage,, where bonds get passed on to the new homeowner.

Well, those are my thought, for what they are worth.

[VApeople]

I can't imaging an amenity they would put in the south that i won't have between the 6's

The southern area has lots of beautiful walking/biking paths. North of Route 44, there are none.

and if there is, I can always get in the car and drive to it.

That is true. Since we live north of Route 44, we need to put our bikes on a carrier and drive to the southern area just to ride our bikes.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Finance guy, interesting thoughts. I guess this is where behavioral economics come in.

I've grappled with how to think about the bond for a bit, before I bought my house. In my brain the bond is an ongoing carrying expense every year, like a mortgage. It's not a 100% comparison, because then bond can be transferred to the person who buys your house, if you sell it. So, I think it somewhat depends on how long you plan to keep the house. Not sure if you sell a house wiht a lower bond, if you get a higher selling price. My guess is no, but it might be viewed as more desirable than one with a higher bond, and therefore get more offers.

Also, if you buy a house without a bond, you can always take a mortgage out on it for the value of the bond you would have paid on the other house you were going to buy and call it even, if you keep the house. If you sell the house, of course you need to pay off the mortgage,, where bonds get passed on to the new homeowner.

Well, those are my thought, for what they are worth.

Good for you! The question is actually difficult to answer, because every transaction is unique, just as every buyer and every house is unique. That being said, your question comes down to the buyer, can he/she afford and find your property worth the sales price and the bond, if any? If not, you wait until there is one.. . the problem with selling a house is usually being motivated to sell, ie, one needs the money asap and can't afford to wait to realize the desired sales price, excluding this market.

But, you also type as if you aren't sure whether you the bond should be paid off. That is a different question. If you are young 55-65 and after a year or two, you think that this is a forever type home, then paying off the bond, if easily affordable, removes rented money and a monthly expense, assuming that you save monthly for the annual payment, removing the payment from the your capital base, and keeping it within your annual income. That last statement was written for those who confuse a monthly expense with an annual payment. . .

Reducing fixed expenses from a fixed income stream, whether a salary or a social security payment gives more flexibility to discretionary spending, and reduces stress on unexpected expenses . .

Will you get your money back if you pay off the bond early? yes, if the sales price is greater than the purchase price plus the bond value. . . which has recently happened with the surge of prices due to excess demand by retiring peeps. . . but this is unusual in how fast it happened.

So the OP, be sure you understand what the bond means, and the implication for you finances and affordability of whatever you decide to buy.

Although many advise to rent to figure out exactly where you want to buy, there are times when getting in sooner gives you more options in the future, especially if your finances are tight, or you truly can't make a decision in a relatively reasonable time, when supply is desirable and limited. We did buy in our first week of our first visit when Marsh bend was just opened, and little amenities or retail was built, as we could envision the future and the lot was close to alot of current and future desirable options.

figure out what is important to you and look for that scenario

[patfla06]

Location is definitely important when buying a house here.

When we bought in 2013 we didn’t care about the location of the amenities
as much as buying a new house. Neither of us golfs so it made location easier.

We spent many years up north redoing our house and then built a new custom house in Tampa. We knew we wanted only new. There was only 1 model we wanted. And we wanted a view. Luckily being just south of 466A
amenities were already built.

In 2013 when we bought they were selling 500 houses a month compared
to 200 a month now. It was totally crazy.

[Koapaka]

We chose to buy in the current geographic center of TV for access....but as time passes, that center area will drift south with development......no concerns here, because they will then be dealing with the "development" issues to the south of them (like Brownwood is now) insulating us even further into "why bother" territory". Damn the bad luck....LOL

[Kelevision]

Having not visited yet I'm curious what about Fenny makes it too noisy. Can't be the turnpike. What about the location of your friends home makes it noisy?

Noise is a major concern of mine and until I visit all I have to go by is looking at a map and speculating on what might be a problem.

Having said that I've lived near Logan airport for 20 years and I barely notice the planes unless they are flying right over head.

Fenney is so quiet. It’s the most beautiful of the Villages IMO. I don’t live there but frequently eat at the Grill and ride my bike around all the paths. Incredibly quiet. The lots in Hammock of Fenney are some of the most expensive due to the privacy. They price lots based on rooftops. How close/far and how many you can see. Those lots in Fenney for sale now, you only see golf course and nature preserve. No rooftop in sight.

[ronda]

Good for you! The question is actually difficult to answer, because every transaction is unique, just as every buyer and every house is unique. That being said, your question comes down to the buyer, can he/she afford and find your property worth the sales price and the bond, if any? If not, you wait until there is one.. . the problem with selling a house is usually being motivated to sell, ie, one needs the money asap and can't afford to wait to realize the desired sales price, excluding this market.

But, you also type as if you aren't sure whether you the bond should be paid off. That is a different question. If you are young 55-65 and after a year or two, you think that this is a forever type home, then paying off the bond, if easily affordable, removes rented money and a monthly expense, assuming that you save monthly for the annual payment, removing the payment from the your capital base, and keeping it within your annual income. That last statement was written for those who confuse a monthly expense with an annual payment. . .

Reducing fixed expenses from a fixed income stream, whether a salary or a social security payment gives more flexibility to discretionary spending, and reduces stress on unexpected expenses . .

Will you get your money back if you pay off the bond early? yes, if the sales price is greater than the purchase price plus the bond value. . . which has recently happened with the surge of prices due to excess demand by retiring peeps. . . but this is unusual in how fast it happened.

So the OP, be sure you understand what the bond means, and the implication for you finances and affordability of whatever you decide to buy.

Although many advise to rent to figure out exactly where you want to buy, there are times when getting in sooner gives you more options in the future, especially if your finances are tight, or you truly can't make a decision in a relatively reasonable time, when supply is desirable and limited. We did buy in our first week of our first visit when Marsh bend was just opened, and little amenities or retail was built, as we could envision the future and the lot was close to alot of current and future desirable options.

figure out what is important to you and look for that scenario

CoachKandSportsGuy,

Thanks for your reply. Great to get the perspectives of fellow villagers.

[btwalker]

I am a non resident, not yet visited. Have spent some time poring over TV maps, looking at neighborhoods and roads. Paralysis by analysis has set in.

Trying to identify neighborhoods to avoid (turnpike noise, industrial plants/jails nearby, apartment complexes and high rental proportions, etc.), but still be relatively close to shopping and entertainment.

I understand the majority of new construction is occurring in the south. In 10 years, what will be a central location in the (fairly) newer areas of TV? Assuming "build-out" is actually defined and not changing all the time due to new land purchases and on-going construction, where might the northern part of the southern-most section of the Villages be? Before the recent large shift in southern growth, the most desirable area was near the center of 466a and 466. Where do you think that area might be in 10 years (which are probably being built now or recently or soon)?

Thanks.
We visited spanish springs first then south of 44, and all the town centers. I suggest you try to do the same. We purchased just north of 466a because we like both Lake Sumter and Brownwood and are now equal distances from both. We are interested in the eastport lifestyle center and may consider purchasing their when complete in a few years. I don't think there are any "bad" areas of the villages, so I suggest you focus on the amenities that you are interested in. We would like to be a little closer to shopping by golf car (1.5 miles by car and 3.5 by cart due to having to navigate around to the 466a tunnel) but mostly use instacart now anyway.

[golfing eagles]

Lately, the Riff Raff is creeping in all over many retail areas near SS.
Stay away from Walmart stores on 27/441.
I do all my shopping in the Southern areas.


Maybe, breaking it down by age group is another criterion,
Spanish Springs has older residents .
Lake Sumter Landing bit younger.
Brownwood younger again.
Fenney is (will be?) youngest.
Not a rule set in stone, but a guideline.

It's Walmart! The "riff-raff" have been there for 50 years:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[ThirdOfFive]

Wow. How friendly and helpful!
Angry, bitter people do make their appearance around here from time to time...

[ThirdOfFive]

It's hard to go wrong with your choice of Villages. The developers have made great efforts to make it an active retirement paradise everywhere. If extraneous sound is a concerned you may want to not be near railroads (west side), pickleball courts, town squares (music finishes at 9 though), and yappy dog neighbours. The north has more mature trees, the south has more nature trails. But as it has been said, take your time, visit all around for a month and you'll figure it out.
Chacun a' son gout.


In my opinion that is the strength of The Villages. Overall is it huge (and getting even more huge) but each little corner has it's own personality and homogeneity. There's a lot to be said for purchasing a home of a certain style and knowing that some McMansion won't be going up next door.

...Or, if McMansions are more your style, being pretty sure that somebody isn't going to park a manufactured home with a carport down the street.

[DAVES]

Having not visited yet I'm curious what about Fenny makes it too noisy. Can't be the turnpike. What about the location of your friends home makes it noisy?

Noise is a major concern of mine and until I visit all I have to go by is looking at a map and speculating on what might be a problem.

Having said that I've lived near Logan airport for 20 years and I barely notice the planes unless they are flying right over head.

Re: Fenny and noise.
I do not live in Fenny, however, people are people. many of these posts are my place is better than your place. You need to decide what to make YOUR PLACE.

Noise? As a kid we were in New York in an apartment building. The elevated trains ran right past my bedroom window. Good training perhaps. I can sleep through anything.
Wife is a light sleeper. If, the world ends I do hope she will wake me.

[ThirdOfFive]

Re: Fenny and noise.
I do not live in Fenny, however, people are people. many of these posts are my place is better than your place. You need to decide what to make YOUR PLACE.

Noise? As a kid we were in New York in an apartment building. The elevated trains ran right past my bedroom window. Good training perhaps. I can sleep through anything.
Wife is a light sleeper. If, the world ends I do hope she will wake me.
True story...some years back my wife and I were guests at my sister's home in Las Vegas. The conversation we had on our second morning...

(She) "What did you think of the earthquake we had last night?"

(Me) "Earthquake? What earthquake?"

(She) "The one we had about midnight. It shook things for over a minute."

(Me) "Why didn't you wake me up?"

(She) "I didn't think ANYBODY could sleep through that!"

[kkingston57]

Need to do a good assesment of your needs/desires. IE If you are a golfer, most of the golf courses are in and around Sumter Landing and north. Appears developer is not interested in building new courses in the south area. Bet they can make more money selling homes. Before the pandemic demand for golf was dropping and might have been a factor in their decision to not build golf courses in the South.

We live 1/2 mile from the Spanish Springs square and almost everything is less than 1 mile from us. Houses are older and smaller.

Can not predict future but there are still some areas in the north that developer might buy. Suspect that if price is right they will buy this land and develop it.

Good luck

[golfing eagles]

Need to do a good assesment of your needs/desires. IE If you are a golfer, most of the golf courses are in and around Sumter Landing and north. Appears developer is not interested in building new courses in the south area. Bet they can make more money selling homes. Before the pandemic demand for golf was dropping and might have been a factor in their decision to not build golf courses in the South.

We live 1/2 mile from the Spanish Springs square and almost everything is less than 1 mile from us. Houses are older and smaller.

Can not predict future but there are still some areas in the north that developer might buy. Suspect that if price is right they will buy this land and develop it.

Good luck

Courses north of LSL: Orange Blossom, Hacienda Hills, Tierra del Sol, Lopez, Glenview, and Palmer.
Courses SOUTH of LSL: Mallory, Havana, Cane, Evans Prairie, Bonifay, and Belle Glade
Looks like 6 and 6, HOWEVER:
South of 44, Southern Oaks to open soon, with 3 more championship courses planned down around route 470.

So, if you are a golfer, most of the courses WILL NOT BE north of LSL, and as far as the insinuated developer bashing goes, they certainly ARE INTERSTED, and in fact ARE building golf courses in the "southern areas".

:boom::boom::boom:

[tophcfa]

Courses north of LSL: Orange Blossom, Hacienda Hills, Tierra del Sol, Lopez, Glenview, and Palmer.
Courses SOUTH of LSL: Mallory, Havana, Cane, Evans Prairie, Bonifay, and Belle Glade
Looks like 6 and 6, HOWEVER:
South of 44, Southern Oaks to open soon, with 3 more championship courses planned down around route 470.

So, if you are a golfer, most of the courses WILL NOT BE north of LSL, and as far as the insinuated developer bashing goes, they certainly ARE INTERSTED, and in fact ARE building golf courses in the "southern areas".

:boom::boom::boom:

Perhaps the poster should have said the most Championship golf courses, relative to the number of residential rooftops in that area, are in and around LSL and north. Seventy five percent of all the currently operating courses are north of 466A.

There is no arguing with that statement.

:boom::boom::boom:

[golfing eagles]

Perhaps the poster should have said the most Championship golf courses, relative to the number of residential rooftops in that area, are in and around LSL and north. Seventy five percent of all the currently operating courses are north of 466A.

There is no arguing with that statement.

:boom::boom::boom:

Yes, 466A, but not 466

[RICH1]

depends what your looking for.. several you tube videos out there! stay away from Round a bouts , busy streets " cut thru streets" , Pickle ball courts, baseball fields, Patios that face West. its all about your preferences, cart distance, young people, old people, Squares, singles, drinking, adult pools, Family pools, etc... Take your time and have a nice visit!

[Boston-Sean]

depends what your looking for.. several you tube videos out there! stay away from Round a bouts , busy streets " cut thru streets" , Pickle ball courts, baseball fields, Patios that face West. its all about your preferences, cart distance, young people, old people, Squares, singles, drinking, adult pools, Family pools, etc... Take your time and have a nice visit!

A question about the west facing patios ... is that an issue during the winter months or only during the heat of the summer?

[tophcfa]

Yes, 466A, but not 466

True, but there are 5 courses north of 466, and three (Palmer, Mallory, and Cane) just below 466. That easily makes the 466 area the place with the highest Championship golf density. And the two newest courses which are south of 466A, Evans and Belle, seem to always be closed after heavy rain.

[golfing eagles]

True, but there are 5 courses north of 466, and three (Palmer, Mallory, and Cane) just below 466. That easily makes the 466 area the place with the highest Championship golf density. And the two newest courses which are south of 466A, Evans and Belle, seem to always be closed after heavy rain.

Don't forget Bonifay. And Cane is probably just as close to 466A as 466. But yes, BG and EP do get flooded---I live on Egret and there is a perpetual pond in front of the 8th tee and by the right 150 stake.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Dear OP:

The Villages is currently approximately 70 square miles in size. It really doesn't matter AT ALL where the center will be in 10 years, since it isn't likely you'll care enough to visit the "edge" of the Villages in 10 years. It's big enough now, that it really doesn't matter. If I never had need to go to Brownwood, I wouldn't miss it. And I'm sure there are people who live south of 44 who will never miss the Historic Section's existence.

There are stores and shops and boutiques and places to visit and outside towns and non-Villages stuff all around us, in every direction. No matter where you choose to live, either now or 10 years from now, you will be less than 20 minutes from anything you could possibly need, and less than an hour from anything you could possibly want, other than family.

If you want the latest and greatest, you'll want something either south of 44, or near 44. If you like a more comfortable cozy "lived in" neighborhood type experience, anything north of Sumter Square will do you just fine.

I would personally recommend you rent for 2 weeks just slightly south of Sumter Square, somewhere between Buena Vista Blvd and Morse Blvd. Take a look at the Villages Homefinder website, just so you can follow the map. Zoom in just a bit so you can see major street names. When you see Sumter Square, look for Canal Street, which runs through it in the middle southward. Follow that down through the northernmost part of O'Dell Circle, to Bonita Boulevard. Then stop.

Somewhere between O'Dell and Bonita, between Morse and Buena Vista, will be plenty of rentals available. You can check with "Hometown Property Management" which is the Villages rental division, and they can find you a nice place for a couple of weeks.

Make sure you rent a golf cart while you're there, and spend some quality time getting to see the Villages - from every edge inward. Pick out what you absolutely love, what you absolutely hate. Then throw both ideas away. You might end up in something you never would've thought you'd ever want, and it turns out to be amazing.

That's what happened to us. A "manufactured home" was a deal-breaker. We moved in to our manufactured home 2 years ago. How did the deal breaker end up not being one anymore? A bunch of things:

1. The neighborhood "felt" more like a typical New England suburban neighborhood to us, and that was very attractive.
2. The landscaping is fully mature, plenty of tree-lined areas.
3. Away from the crowds.
4. No "kissing lanais."
5. More square footage per dollar.
6. Looser deed restrictions. We still have standards, but our area isn't quite so snooty about them - which means there's enough whimsy and color and decorative touches that we don't feel like Stepford.

[Koapaka]

Dear OP:

The Villages is currently approximately 70 square miles in size. It really doesn't matter AT ALL where the center will be in 10 years, since it isn't likely you'll care enough to visit the "edge" of the Villages in 10 years. It's big enough now, that it really doesn't matter. If I never had need to go to Brownwood, I wouldn't miss it. And I'm sure there are people who live south of 44 who will never miss the Historic Section's existence.

There are stores and shops and boutiques and places to visit and outside towns and non-Villages stuff all around us, in every direction. No matter where you choose to live, either now or 10 years from now, you will be less than 20 minutes from anything you could possibly need, and less than an hour from anything you could possibly want, other than family.

If you want the latest and greatest, you'll want something either south of 44, or near 44. If you like a more comfortable cozy "lived in" neighborhood type experience, anything north of Sumter Square will do you just fine.

I would personally recommend you rent for 2 weeks just slightly south of Sumter Square, somewhere between Buena Vista Blvd and Morse Blvd. Take a look at the Villages Homefinder website, just so you can follow the map. Zoom in just a bit so you can see major street names. When you see Sumter Square, look for Canal Street, which runs through it in the middle southward. Follow that down through the northernmost part of O'Dell Circle, to Bonita Boulevard. Then stop.

Somewhere between O'Dell and Bonita, between Morse and Buena Vista, will be plenty of rentals available. You can check with "Hometown Property Management" which is the Villages rental division, and they can find you a nice place for a couple of weeks.

Make sure you rent a golf cart while you're there, and spend some quality time getting to see the Villages - from every edge inward. Pick out what you absolutely love, what you absolutely hate. Then throw both ideas away. You might end up in something you never would've thought you'd ever want, and it turns out to be amazing.

That's what happened to us. A "manufactured home" was a deal-breaker. We moved in to our manufactured home 2 years ago. How did the deal breaker end up not being one anymore? A bunch of things:

1. The neighborhood "felt" more like a typical New England suburban neighborhood to us, and that was very attractive.
2. The landscaping is fully mature, plenty of tree-lined areas.
3. Away from the crowds.
4. No "kissing lanais."
5. More square footage per dollar.
6. Looser deed restrictions. We still have standards, but our area isn't quite so snooty about them - which means there's enough whimsy and color and decorative touches that we don't feel like Stepford.

Could not agree more! We came deciding everything we wanted (and did not want) and it all went out the window as we discovered the driving factor in selection was the 2 car/2 golf cart bumped out garage space. You will find things you never could have imagined can quickly change your search on a dime. Good news is if you get here and buy and decide after living here a while you want to be elsewhere, you will join the "moves 3 times within the villages" group. Seems it is quite the norm around here.

[kkingston57]

Courses north of LSL: Orange Blossom, Hacienda Hills, Tierra del Sol, Lopez, Glenview, and Palmer.
Courses SOUTH of LSL: Mallory, Havana, Cane, Evans Prairie, Bonifay, and Belle Glade
Looks like 6 and 6, HOWEVER:
South of 44, Southern Oaks to open soon, with 3 more championship courses planned down around route 470.

So, if you are a golfer, most of the courses WILL NOT BE north of LSL, and as far as the insinuated developer bashing goes, they certainly ARE INTERSTED, and in fact ARE building golf courses in the "southern areas".

:boom::boom::boom:

In my remarks I said in and around Lake Sumter Landing. This would include Havana and Mallory Hill.