Look what they're up to now!

[Guest]

Although some may think that this belongs in political and I don't think it does.
I had heard about this on the radio and decided to do some searching. Is this what our grandchildren will be exposed to?

Check it out.
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.7470,css.print/pub_detail.asp

Yoda

[Guest]

This sort of thing is old news. Years ago some Gaza production was using someone dressed up in a Mickey Mouse costume for a "kid's show" out there that ended up with assasinations and the infidel Mouse eventually being killed.

It's pathetic. Just goes to demonstrate how weak some people are when it comes to religion. Their faith in their faith is so threadbare that they have to go to such extreme measures to try and convert or keep people in line.

[Guest]

This sort of thing is old news. Years ago some Gaza production was using someone dressed up in a Mickey Mouse costume for a "kid's show" out there that ended up with assasinations and the infidel Mouse eventually being killed.

It's pathetic. Just goes to demonstrate how weak some people are when it comes to religion. Their faith in their faith is so threadbare that they have to go to such extreme measures to try and convert or keep people in line.

That was over there, not here. They will run on U.S. television.

Yoda

[Guest]

Ok, I had to dig into that article to find reference to making "The 99" an animated series. And it IS listed on "The Hub" as one of the shows they will be presenting (though no schedule information indicating which age-group block will contain it). They also listed shows based on on R. L. Stine books, Fraggle Rock, Pound Puppies, G. I. Joe and Strawberry Shortcake, among others.

But there's one very important factor missing from that article and even your original post.

*PARENTS*.

They should be the ones controlling what comes into the house - but that's another debate.

[Guest]

I just cannot believe the lack of interest in this subject.

Yoda

[Guest]

Yoda, this isn'tintended as a slam but, when viewed in context, it's next to nothing.

You're talking about an animated series which, from the looks of it:

- Has yet to be produced
- Showing on a channel that is just getting started, that hardly anyone knows about
- Who's timeslot is unknown.
- Who's premiere date is unknown, unannounced.
- Is grouped in with a lot of other worthless pablum.

It's like it was made out of a 6-pack of "Who Gives A Spit?" People are far more worried about their mortgages and jobs than something with the list of digs against it that I outlined.

[Guest]

Yoda, this isn'tintended as a slam but, when viewed in context, it's next to nothing.

You're talking about an animated series which, from the looks of it:

- Has yet to be produced
- Showing on a channel that is just getting started, that hardly anyone knows about
- Who's timeslot is unknown.
- Who's premiere date is unknown, unannounced.
- Is grouped in with a lot of other worthless pablum.

It's like it was made out of a 6-pack of "Who Gives A Spit?" People are far more worried about their mortgages and jobs than something with the list of digs against it that I outlined.

Just curious what your comments might be if there was a "proposed" comic book on Jesus and Mary and the President of the United States endorsed it publicly ?

Same ?

[Guest]

Yoda, this isn'tintended as a slam but, when viewed in context, it's next to nothing.

You're talking about an animated series which, from the looks of it:

- Has yet to be produced
- Showing on a channel that is just getting started, that hardly anyone knows about
- Who's timeslot is unknown.
- Who's premiere date is unknown, unannounced.
- Is grouped in with a lot of other worthless pablum.

It's like it was made out of a 6-pack of "Who Gives A Spit?" People are far more worried about their mortgages and jobs than something with the list of digs against it that I outlined.

I'm sure the cartoon series which is supposed to present 99 superheroes each of which is supposed to rep present one quality of Allah. They will be fighting bad people. In all probability they will be fighting the infidels. Pretty soon the children will be asking "did, who is the infidel?"

Don't say that it cannot happen. Why do you think it is that very young children in Palestine hate Jews.

Yoda

[Guest]

You're assuming anyone will WATCH this in anything more than trivial numbers.

And, remember, when we were young, all the "advocates" though we would jump off buildings with umbrellas and hit people with anvils from watching Looney Tunes.

[Guest]

You're assuming anyone will WATCH this in anything more than trivial numbers.

And, remember, when we were young, all the "advocates" though we would jump off buildings with umbrellas and hit people with anvils from watching Looney Tunes.


SO again,it would be just fine with you if the President of the United States extolled the virtues of and endorsed a comic book dedicated to Jesus and Mary ????

[Guest]

Ok, did I miss something here? Where did the President get involved with this?

[Guest]

Although some may think that this belongs in political and I don't think it does.
I had heard about this on the radio and decided to do some searching. Is this what our grandchildren will be exposed to?

Check it out.
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.7470,css.print/pub_detail.asp

Yoda

Yoda, have you looked at the website for the comic book series The 99? If you are really interested take a look at the comic's characters and look at the history of the plot starting with the main Muslim character Dr. Ramzi Razem who is recruiting the 99 children who hold the gems of knowledge to help "to change the course of human civilization," according to the comic website.

Take a minute to look up the real world history of the words and places in the comic. Like the main character Dr. Razem's work with UNESCO, a real life United Nations organization or MAMLUK or even the real history of The Escorial, Madrid...all mentioned in the main character's background.


http://www.the99.org/art-36-33-Articles-1-9-695,ckl

[Guest]

Ok, did I miss something here? Where did the President get involved with this?

About half way through Yoda's link is a video of our President !!!

[Guest]

I only had access to the text. Embedded videos don't often work on some of my computers.

So what is it that I missed? What was the gist of the video? It wasn't really referenced in the text.

[Guest]

I only had access to the text. Embedded videos don't often work on some of my computers.

So what is it that I missed? What was the gist of the video? It wasn't really referenced in the text.

Again, DJPLONG...this is not such a big deal, but IN THE TEXT, you should have found this sentence....

"However, no matter how edifying the comic books may be for Muslim families, it is bizarre to see the President of the United States endorsing such religiously-inspired products, because they upheld the "teachings and tolerance of Islam."

In the video, our President alludes to "the most innovative response...." being that of the author of the books.

Why do I keep posting on this is because you seem to be very tolerant of our President and the muslim faith...great...but you have NO tolerance for anything that is Catholic or Catholic related. That surely is your right, but it is also mine to point out the obvious lack of consistency in your view as relates to this President and some religions. I cannot imagine you being tolerant had the remark of the quotes been based on a Jesus, Mary book !

Without changing directions of this thread but keeping with what I am trying to say...in the other thread you were very quick to find reasons to defend the President's wife in the voting area...a women with more advisors and smarts than most...and quick to mock or be sarcastic of those on the other side of the political spectrum. That is certainly your right...but when you are faced with someone saying it, you retreat and try to become a neutral observer of life...that is my only point.

I respect anyones opinion but distrust those who will not admit and stand up for what they believe in....I have openly said how I mistrust this President and how he has lied and how weak and bad his policies (especially the contrived and really bad health bill) but you try to walk the middle until you are called on it. With this man and this congress, I cannot see middle ground on very much !

[Guest]

I'm waiting for the proof. Now, text you mention is someone's opinion and I took that with a grain of salt.

I have no compassion for certain aspects of the Catholic Church because they have been TRIED and CONVICTED.

Let me be absolutely clear on this. I was no fan of Clinton and had hopes, but not many expectations, for Obama. Yes, I voted for him because he was the least bad choice, IMO.

When the GOP went chasing after Clinton, they seized on every little scrap they could to try and bring him down. They never had anything as caustic or explosive as, say, the Iran-Contra scandal but they kept hammering at him (Clinton) over and over until people just stopped listening. The same is happening with Obama. People are trying everything they can to bring the man down - and it's wasted energy as near as I can see. They're as effective as yipping chihuahuas.

As long as this "baby food stuff" is what people are screaming about, the job of formulating a REAL message with a REAL alternative that does NOT sound like "The Party of 'No'" goes undone.

My mom is in Indiana screaming about not getting a Social Security raise for the 2nd straight year. Do you think I *like* being put in the position of telling her "Hey, you kept the previous raise even after prices went down in 2009 - your COLA didn't work in reverse"?

I've gotten to the point where I don't believe a single headline I read.

It's not exactly heartening to see the GOP try to recreate their 1994 buzz by coming out with what's almost a parody of the old Contract With America. Lots of rhetoric, no details. As I was hearing on a talk show last week, "Everyone says cut spending, but they never say what to cut". Gallantly, at least one Tea Party organizer (from St. Louis) started to talk about it, but she had her numbers all wrong (claiming that TARP cost more than the Iraq War) - so there went her credibility.

Worrying about Islam taking over the United States via comic books or building a cultural center next to a topless bar is NOISE. It's POINTLESS and is detracts from the REAL threat of extremists.

Put it this way.. LET THEM BUILD THE DAMN CENTER at the hallowed grounds of the old Burlington Coat Factory. What are the possibilities?

1) It's a harmless cultural center. Big deal.

2) It's a secret terror cell. So we know where 'they' are and the authorities will be able to monitor the place.

Either way, 'we' come out winners either by demonstrating tolerance (and not reducing ourselves to the level of our enemies) of by sucker-punching terrorists and nailing them before they get to hatch something else.

[Guest]

..."and then I looked around and there was no one to speak out for me"

[Guest]

in the 9/11 attacks in NYC.
There is always a difference of opinion and or position when one is truly invested in the transgression with a loss VS a purely un-invested, philosophical position or belief.

Those of us not involved or invested in the event can only support the will of those who have lost. All the rest is nothing more than political or religious bias.

btk

[Guest]

..."and then I looked around and there was no one to speak out for me"

The portion of the Pastor Martin Niemöller quote you posted is very deep in respect to this discussion. I am just curious what you meant by posting it here. It can be taken many different ways and I'm just wondering what you meant.

For those who don't know, Niemöller, was a pastor in Germany during the rise of Hitler. He supported Hilter but disagreed with some parts of Hitler's beliefs. When he became outspoken and quit going along with Hitler's murderous control of the country, Niemöller was imprisoned. He was released from a concentration camp by the Allied Forces and went on to be a pacifist and very controversial during the Vietnam War.

Here is the entire quote:

"They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."

[Guest]

My cousin barely escaped 9/11 with his life. When they gave the 'all clear' to go into the 2nd tower, he basically said "'F' that, I'm going home" - and the second plane slammed into that tower minutes later.

It is a test of one's commitment to one's principals to stand up for them, regardless of any desire to compromise them for personal reasons.

I have several reasons I can sympathize with 'mainstream Muslims' - namely the ones I've met over the course of my life.

I was raised Catholic. I learned a lot about persecution of Catholics in history. Growing up I thought I was Irish (my hair was more red back then, didn't know I was adopted into an Irish family) and learned about "No Irish Need Apply".

More recently, my ex-wife was told something shocking to us by a mild-mannered, pillar-of-the-community type of person who lived about 12 miles away from us and hosted the BBS where we had many discussions. My ex is Pagan, specifically Wiccan. This god-fearing Christian told her that the only reason he couldn't kill her and burn her at the stake was because it was against secular law. This from a guy who lived in a nice, suburban house in Londonderry, New Hampshire in the 1990s.

I choose not to judge everyone by the actions of a few.

I choose to stick to my principals.

I choose not to blame the guy at the 7-11 for the actions of bin Laden's rumpswabs.

I choose not to castigate my families (birth and adoptive) for remaining Catholic despite the rapists in the Church. (My disgust and condemnation are targeted at the heirarchy that allowed it).

So let me pose this question.

If we are a nation of laws and not men - if we truly believe in freedom of religion, should it matter if we lost someone on 9/11?

In other words, because someone is a victim, does that mean they should have special privileges over the law?

[And, yes, as an example, I'm opposed to some of the laws that supposedly 'protect' me, like hate-crime laws, because of my Hispanic heritage which I didn't even know about until I was almost 30]

Sigh.. More topic drift. Anyone want to start a new topic to split some of these issues off?