Rittenhouse trial prediction

[Rainger99]

Let's get people on the record before the verdict comes in.
This is your prediction of what the jury will do - not what you want the jury to do.

The choices are

Guilty on all counts
Guilty on some counts
Not guilty
Hung jury

[RICH1]

Mistrial ....

[collie1228]

Guilty on some counts (one - possession of a firearm by a minor).

[tophcfa]

I predict that no matter which way things come out, half the population will be pi$$ed off.

[JMintzer]

Guilty on some counts (one - possession of a firearm by a minor).

Agreed... Not guilty on all other counts...

[Vermilion Villager]

I predict this this kid's life will be changed forever. Just like the OJ trial his family (because he was a minor at the time) will be sued for wrongful death, and lose everything they ever had. I also suspect someone will confront him, he'll make some 18yo comment to them, they will say they were threatened and kill him. They will have witnesses, and will walk Scott free.

[JMintzer]

I predict this this kid's life will be changed forever. Just like the OJ trial his family (because he was a minor at the time) will be sued for wrongful death, and lose everything they ever had. I also suspect someone will confront him, he'll make some 18yo comment to them, they will say they were threatened and kill him. They will have witnesses, and will walk Scott free.

Unlike the OJ trial, those "victims" actually attacked Rittenhouse. Their chance of success in a civil suit is zero...

[Caymus]

I predict that no matter which way things come out, half the population will be pi$$ed off.

Less than half. Then a year or two wait until the Baldwin trial(s)

[DAVES]

Let's get people on the record before the verdict comes in.
This is your prediction of what the jury will do - not what you want the jury to do.

The choices are

Guilty on all counts
Guilty on some counts
Not guilty
Hung jury

Yet another TRIAL BY RIOT. In any case assuming he is found guilty to avoid riots there are huge grounds for an appeal. A fair trial? While you are supposed to get that he is being tried in the press. YOU would not want to be in his shoes.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Yet another TRIAL BY RIOT. In any case assuming he is found guilty to avoid riots there are huge grounds for an appeal. A fair trial? While you are supposed to get that he is being tried in the press. YOU would not want to be in his shoes.

He should've thought about that the moment before he brought his rifle into the car and made the trip to the riot.

And being only 17 and a typical stupid punk-arse kid, he woopsied on that decision. So having gotten to the riot and realized what a sh.*show it was, he should've hauled butt right back into the car. Another stupid decision on his part.

So - he'll have to live with knowing that he is "THAT GUY" for the rest of his life. If he doesn't like it, he could just plead guilty on all counts, GO to jail, where he can live the rest of his life in relative anonymity.

[JSR22]

He should've thought about that the moment before he brought his rifle into the car and made the trip to the riot.

And being only 17 and a typical stupid punk-arse kid, he woopsied on that decision. So having gotten to the riot and realized what a sh.*show it was, he should've hauled butt right back into the car. Another stupid decision on his part.

So - he'll have to live with knowing that he is "THAT GUY" for the rest of his life. If he doesn't like it, he could just plead guilty on all counts, GO to jail, where he can live the rest of his life in relative anonymity.

Totally agree. I hope goes to jail for life.

[JMintzer]

He should've thought about that the moment before he brought his rifle into the car and made the trip to the riot.

And being only 17 and a typical stupid punk-arse kid, he woopsied on that decision. So having gotten to the riot and realized what a sh.*show it was, he should've hauled butt right back into the car. Another stupid decision on his part.

So - he'll have to live with knowing that he is "THAT GUY" for the rest of his life. If he doesn't like it, he could just plead guilty on all counts, GO to jail, where he can live the rest of his life in relative anonymity.

So nice of you to describe someone you don't know that way...

[JMintzer]

Totally agree. I hope goes to jail for life.

Prepare to be majorly disappointed...

[retiredguy123]

Guilty on some counts (one - possession of a firearm by a minor).
It seems to be contradictory to try him as an adult for murder, but to also charge him for possessing a firearm as a minor.

[Bogie Shooter]

Let's get people on the record before the verdict comes in.
This is your prediction of what the jury will do - not what you want the jury to do.

The choices are

Guilty on all counts
Guilty on some counts
Not guilty
Hung jury

You get an A for trying.
But, as you suspected it has turned into another debate........and what posters want the verdict to be.

[JSR22]

Prepare to be majorly disappointed...

I expect the punk to get off. I just wish he would be severely punished along with his mother.

[JMintzer]

I expect the punk to get off. I just wish he would be severely punished along with his mother.

What did she do wrong?

[manaboutown]

He should've thought about that the moment before he brought his rifle into the car and made the trip to the riot.

And being only 17 and a typical stupid punk-arse kid, he woopsied on that decision. So having gotten to the riot and realized what a sh.*show it was, he should've hauled butt right back into the car. Another stupid decision on his part.

So - he'll have to live with knowing that he is "THAT GUY" for the rest of his life. If he doesn't like it, he could just plead guilty on all counts, GO to jail, where he can live the rest of his life in relative anonymity.

Witness Testifies Rittenhouse Tried to 'De-Escalate' Riot, Rosenbaum Charged Him from Behind (https://www.westernjournal.com/witness-testifies-rittenhouse-tried-de-escalate-riot-rosenbaum-charged-behind/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=teaparty&utm_content=2021-11-12&utm_campaign=manualpost&fbclid=IwAR0fj0MFftV346nyEZvYt_YPkyvX8gYn3xkK6gdgH nJX3Vltz1XS3ek0vjM)

[JSR22]

What did she do wrong?

Drove and dropped him off in an unsafe area. At least he is crying!

[JMintzer]

Drove and dropped him off in an unsafe area. At least he is crying!

Yeah, she didn't do that, either...

[Kenswing]

He might get a suspended sentence for a minor in possession but not guilty on all other charges.

[tophcfa]

He should've thought about that the moment before he brought his rifle into the car and made the trip to the riot.

And being only 17 and a typical stupid punk-arse kid, he woopsied on that decision. So having gotten to the riot and realized what a sh.*show it was, he should've hauled butt right back into the car. Another stupid decision on his part.

So - he'll have to live with knowing that he is "THAT GUY" for the rest of his life. If he doesn't like it, he could just plead guilty on all counts, GO to jail, where he can live the rest of his life in relative anonymity.

Dam, it’s a good thing making stupid decisions is not a crime. If it was, most of us, including myself, would be incarcerated for life.

[Bogie Shooter]

I predict that he will be found NOT GUILTY on all counts, except maybe the possession of a firearm by a minor. He will receive a smack on the hand by the judge and a GOOD CITIZEN award by the police. When he turns 21, he will take a job at either a police dept or a fire dept and will have learned by then how this justice system works against the decent and protects scumbags that rape, murder and burn down cities, and dare anyone to stop them. They will claim that it is their first Amendment right to burn down cities and riot, based on either ethnicity or gender or gender bender. But I digress.....
IF there is justice in this country, he will be found NOT GUILTY on ALL counts.
Why do you think he will become a cop or a fireman?

[MDLNB]

Why do you think he will become a cop or a fireman?


Know anything about his background?

Truthfully, after going through all this, I would not blame him if he gave up on trying to be a good citizen for the community.

[Opengineer150]

I hope he walks because then it will show people that you have the right to “ STAND YOUR GROUND” ..

[DeanFL]

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NOT GUILTY

and then the riots begin....
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[MDLNB]

It seems to be contradictory to try him as an adult for murder, but to also charge him for possessing a firearm as a minor.


Totally agree.............:thumbup:

[John41]

Let's get people on the record before the verdict comes in.
This is your prediction of what the jury will do - not what you want the jury to do.

The choices are

Guilty on all counts
Guilty on some counts
Not guilty
Hung jury

Hung jury then mistrial with prejudice.

[spd2918]

It seems to be contradictory to try him as an adult for murder, but to also charge him for possessing a firearm as a minor.

Wisconsin is weird that way. You are considered an adult at 17 for criminal charging, but still have to abide by the under 18 rules.

[kkingston57]

Unlike the OJ trial, those "victims" actually attacked Rittenhouse. Their chance of success in a civil suit is zero...

Not a lawyer, but burden of proof is much more easier for the "victims" and they could win. Even if they win, no money to collect. Rittenhouse did not even have a drivers license.

[John41]

Not a lawyer, but burden of proof is much more easier for the "victims" and they could win. Even if they win, no money to collect. Rittenhouse did not even have a drivers license.

The burden of proof is beyond a reasonable doubt for the prosecution. There is no burden of proof for the defense. That is innocent until proven guilty.

[kkingston57]

I predict that he will be found NOT GUILTY on all counts, except maybe the possession of a firearm by a minor. He will receive a smack on the hand by the judge and a GOOD CITIZEN award by the police. When he turns 21, he will take a job at either a police dept or a fire dept and will have learned by then how this justice system works against the decent and protects scumbags that rape, murder and burn down cities, and dare anyone to stop them. They will claim that it is their first Amendment right to burn down cities and riot, based on either ethnicity or gender or gender bender. But I digress.....
IF there is justice in this country, he will be found NOT GUILTY on ALL counts.

He probably will be found Not Guilty on all of the serious crimes. He admitted that he owned a gun and explained how he bought it.

Even though he probably will be found not guilty he should have never subjected himself to the circumstances which led to this "mess". This included his inexperience with guns and carrying around an assault style weapon in a very volatile situation. He just wanted to play cop.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Dam, it’s a good thing making stupid decisions is not a crime. If it was, most of us, including myself, would be incarcerated for life.

Just a little itty bitty tiny widdle difference:

HIS stupid decisions resulted directly in the creation of two corpses. "Boys will be boys" is not a reasonable excuse for that.

[tophcfa]

Just a little itty bitty tiny widdle difference:

HIS stupid decisions resulted directly in the creation of two corpses. "Boys will be boys" is not a reasonable excuse for that.

No doubt he made some questionable decisions, but nothing nearly as stupid as the ones made by the people who wound up getting shot.

[manaboutown]

Just a little itty bitty tiny widdle difference:

HIS stupid decisions resulted directly in the creation of two corpses. "Boys will be boys" is not a reasonable excuse for that.

Their violent actions attacking him are what killed them. He responded in self defense. Had they not attacked him they would be free to continue their well documented criminal lifestyles, child and spousal abuse among other things. They were two violent thugs. He did society a favor in the long run as he saved their future victims from them.

"Rosenbaum grabbed the barrel of the rifle. Now, who is this guy? He’s prohibited from possessing or was firearms. He had sex with a minor, gruesome grotesque sex with a minor. He’s a bail jumper, two domestic abuse charges. That’s Rosenbaum. You haven’t heard about Rosenbaum.

How about Huber, hits him in the head, chases him with a skateboard. That’s like a bat, then hits him in the neck with a skateboard. Who was he? Well, among other things, he had he was a domestic abuse repeater. Well, shouldn’t people know that"

From: Mark Levin Hammers Rittenhouse Prosecution: 'This Prosecutor's Ass Should Be in Front of an Ethics Committee' (https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/11/12/levin-hammers-rittenhouse-prosecution-this-prosecutors-ass-should-be-in-front-of-an-ethics-committee/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR2dRADUCBZH5gDa-_XvHr4V-F0NSpGs7d5l7QJrR5ZmG8KJvYQIUMoHDPA)

[holger danske]

In a just world he walks on all counts. :boom:

[Caymus]

“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”


― Anonymous

Yes, I notice that some people get away with extreme rhetoric.

[Bogie Shooter]

If the shoe fits……….

[DAVES]

He should've thought about that the moment before he brought his rifle into the car and made the trip to the riot.

And being only 17 and a typical stupid punk-arse kid, he woopsied on that decision. So having gotten to the riot and realized what a sh.*show it was, he should've hauled butt right back into the car. Another stupid decision on his part.

So - he'll have to live with knowing that he is "THAT GUY" for the rest of his life. If he doesn't like it, he could just plead guilty on all counts, GO to jail, where he can live the rest of his life in relative anonymity.

REALITY is a problem for many. I've had guns since I was about 13. Should he go to jail his chance of surviving is very unlikely.

Reasoning with a rioting mob? Easy to do on a computer. Reality is something else all together.

[DAVES]

REALITY is a problem for many. I've had guns since I was about 13. Should he go to jail his chance of surviving is very unlikely.

Reasoning with a rioting mob? Easy to do on a computer. Reality is something else all together.


As I said, reasoning with a rioting mob? You only need to read some of the posts.
No shortage of closed minds. Plus throwing in their own views which first of all are not facts to support their OWN narrative. Put them into a mob, feeding on its own mob hate
and you have a rioting mob.

[thevillages2013]

Poor ******* should have never been put in a situation where he thought he needed to protect businesses and people around him. That is what our elected officials and our police officers are there for but in this case as well as countless others they were standing down and allowing the rioting, looting and fire bombing.

[Lindsyburnsy]

Two victims were unarmed and the one who survived always carried a pistol when he went to work as an actual paramedic. What mother drives her under age kid across state lines carrying an AR15 which he was too young to own, to a violent protest? This kid beat up a girl not long ago but the judge wouldn’t let the jury hear it. This won’t be the end of Rittenhouse’s criminal problems. Unlike the OJ trial, those "victims" actually attacked Rittenhouse. Their chance of success in a civil suit is zero...

[John41]

Two victims were unarmed and the one who survived always carried a pistol when he went to work as an actual paramedic. What mother drives her under age kid across state lines carrying an AR15 which he was too young to own, to a violent protest? This kid beat up a girl not long ago but the judge wouldn’t let the jury hear it. This won’t be the end of Rittenhouse’s criminal problems.

According to Snopes fact checker the allegation of Rittenhouse beating a girl is unproven. Also debunked was that he was driven across state lines.

Also according to Snopes, Rosenbaum was convicted and sent to prison for child molestation of five boys 7 to 11 years old. The other two “victims” had criminal records for domestic abuse and drug charges. But the judge would not let the “victims” actual criminal past be told to the jury just as the unproven allegation against Rittenhouse was banned from the jury.

As to future legal problems it fits the “victims” established record of crime better than Rittenhouse.

[JSR22]

Two victims were unarmed and the one who survived always carried a pistol when he went to work as an actual paramedic. What mother drives her under age kid across state lines carrying an AR15 which he was too young to own, to a violent protest? This kid beat up a girl not long ago but the judge wouldn’t let the jury hear it. This won’t be the end of Rittenhouse’s criminal problems.

I hope Rittenhouse is convicted and spends many years in jail.

[manaboutown]

I hope Rittenhouse is convicted and spends many years in jail.

Self defense! He killed two thugs who tried to kill him.

[manaboutown]

Two victims were unarmed and the one who survived always carried a pistol when he went to work as an actual paramedic. What mother drives her under age kid across state lines carrying an AR15 which he was too young to own, to a violent protest? This kid beat up a girl not long ago but the judge wouldn’t let the jury hear it. This won’t be the end of Rittenhouse’s criminal problems.

False. To call them victims is preposterous. They were two violent thugs. Thank God they are dead!

[ejp52]

He needs more range time!!!:popcorn:

[Two Bills]

Never take a skateboard to a gun fight!

[MDLNB]

Let's be realistic about this. If Rittenhouse was a young black man that was out there removing graffiti from businesses, putting out fires and offering first aid he would be lauded as a hero, receive a ticker tap parade and a statue of him erected. And I would have no problem with that. That is just the way this country is acting today. But, statues are being torn down and new ones of fallen criminals are raised.
The only thing Rittenhouse did wrong was try to do the good Samaritan thing by himself, without a backup. I have no problem with his taking upon himself to do what the authorities refused/couldn't do themselves....clean up after the scumbags that destroy property and injure others.
Rittenhouse should be acquitted on ALL charges. But, will it happen? Only if there are honorable folks still available for jury duty.

[Love2Swim]

No doubt he made some questionable decisions, but nothing nearly as stupid as the ones made by the people who wound up getting shot.

One of the victims viewed Rittenhouse as a danger with the rifle, and one was told Rittenhouse was an active shooter. One tried forcibly to wrestle the assault rifle from Rittenhouse, and it cost him his life.The other, Gaige, pointed his gun at Rittenhouse, trying to get him to put the rifle down after being told Rittenhouse was an active shooter, and he too was shot by Rittenhouse. The lesson here: never ever mess with a stupid teenager who thinks he's a vigilante, and carries an assault rifle he isn't even legally entitled to have in his possession.

Fact - Rittenhouse was seen at a bar with members of a white nationalist group in January, and traveled to Miami days later to meet the group's national president.

Fact - Rittenhouse is heard in a video watching some men exit a CVS pharmacy and commenting that he wished he had his rifle so he could shoot them because he thought they were shoplifters.

Fact - the FBI has infrared video footage of Rittenhouse chasing Rosenbaum, the first person Rittenhouse gunned down.

Put it all together - its not hard to connect the dots.

[MDLNB]

One of the victims viewed Rittenhouse as a danger with the rifle, and one was told Rittenhouse was an active shooter. One tried forcibly to wrestle the assault rifle from Rittenhouse, and it cost him his life.The other, Gaige, pointed his gun at Rittenhouse, trying to get him to put the rifle down after being told Rittenhouse was an active shooter, and he too was shot by Rittenhouse. The lesson here: never ever mess with a stupid teenager who thinks he's a vigilante, and carries an assault rifle he isn't even legally entitled to have in his possession.

Fact - Rittenhouse was seen at a bar with members of a white nationalist group in January, and traveled to Miami days later to meet the group's national president.

Fact - Rittenhouse is seen in a video 15 days before the shootings saying he would like to shoot the men he sees shoplifting from a pharmacy.

Fact - the FBI has infrared video footage of Rittenhouse chasing Rosenbaum, the first person Rittenhouse gunned down.

Put it all together - its not hard to connect the dots.


Yes, the dead were real HONORABLE, good citizens. Probably have statues erected for them....:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
And the manure just gets deeper...........:0000000000luvmyhors

[Mikey1588]

Let's get people on the record before the verdict comes in.
This is your prediction of what the jury will do - not what you want the jury to do.

The choices are

Guilty on all counts
Guilty on some counts
Not guilty
Hung jury

Not guilty

[Love2Swim]

Yes, the dead were real HONORABLE, good citizens. Probably have statues erected for them....:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
And the manure just gets deeper...........:0000000000luvmyhors

Whether or not the victims were honorable or not is irrelevant. That would be like saying its okay to murder a prostitute because she is not honorable.

Murder is against the law, period. And if he is chasing someone down the street and guns them down, pretty hard to define that as "self defense".

[DaleDivine]

Guilty on some counts (one - possession of a firearm by a minor).

How old do you have to be to be able to possess a firearm?
I can remember when I was 14, had my own shotgun and went hunting by myself.

:shocked::shocked:

[Love2Swim]

The judge said on Friday he would instruct the jury they can consider the prosecution's argument that the teenager provoked an encounter with one of two men he fatally shot during protests in Wisconsin last year. This again shows Rittenhouse being an aggressor, not the poor innocent bystander image he is trying to project, with his big crocodile tears. Puh-leeze. No one bought that corny routine.

[crash]

Unlike the OJ trial, those "victims" actually attacked Rittenhouse. Their chance of success in a civil suit is zero...

Yes after he killed someone they tried to stop him. You live in a world where a girl can get raped on the subway and people see it happening and do nothing. I prefer to live in a world where they see it happen and do something to stop it.

[Arl]

I don’t think he is a punk kid I think he truly thought he would help people.
However he shouldn’t have had the gun He was attacked by criminals they all had
records and should have been in jail. So I don’t think he should go to jail for protecting himself,
but should be charged for carrying a weapon at his age.

[MDLNB]

Whether or not the victims were honorable or not is irrelevant. That would be like saying its okay to murder a prostitute because she is not honorable.

Murder is against the law, period. And if he is chasing someone down the street and guns them down, pretty hard to define that as "self defense".


You are absolutely correct, IF/IF he was "chasing someone down the street and guns them down." BUT, that is NOT what happened, and anyone that has watched the video and/or observed the trial would know that. He/HE was being chased down the street and assaulted upon several times, even knocking him to the ground. He was justified in ridding society of a couple of vermin. The third guy that survived, may have mistaken him for a criminal shooter, and was still shot in self-defense. But, the third guy to be shot, was carrying a pistol illegally and should not have been chasing the young man down the street.

NOT GUILTY
CASE CLOSED

[MDLNB]

I don’t think he is a punk kid I think he truly thought he would help people.
However he shouldn’t have had the gun He was attacked by criminals they all had
records and should have been in jail. So I don’t think he should go to jail for protecting himself,
but should be charged for carrying a weapon at his age.


And yet, if he was in the military, he would be able to carry a firearm into combat, even at that age. And I did know a couple of 17yo, that were killed in combat while serving their country.

[MDLNB]

****

[DaleDivine]

Whether or not the victims were honorable or not is irrelevant. That would be like saying its okay to murder a prostitute because she is not honorable.

Murder is against the law, period. And if he is chasing someone down the street and guns them down, pretty hard to define that as "self defense".

Did he shoot Rosenbaum in the back as he was running away?
NO, your FACTS are misconstrued.
:blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah:

[agjaret@aol.com]

All were there with bad intentions. He was violently attacked and defended himself.

[Love2Swim]

Did he shoot Rosenbaum in the back as he was running away?
NO, your FACTS are misconstrued.
:blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah:

Because he chased Rosenbaum down the street, and Rosenbaum turned around and faced him, that makes it okay for rittenhouse to gun him down? Not very good logic.

[Love2Swim]

You are absolutely correct, IF/IF he was "chasing someone down the street and guns them down." BUT, that is NOT what happened, and anyone that has watched the video and/or observed the trial would know that. He/HE was being chased down the street and assaulted upon several times, even knocking him to the ground. He was justified in ridding society of a couple of vermin. The third guy that survived, may have mistaken him for a criminal shooter, and was still shot in self-defense. But, the third guy to be shot, was carrying a pistol illegally and should not have been chasing the young man down the street.

NOT GUILTY
CASE CLOSED

There is video of him chasing Rosenbaum down the street. No one has the right to "rid society of vermin". Your prejudices are showing.

[Bandb875]

Not Guilty. Clearly self defense.

[MDLNB]

There is video of him chasing Rosenbaum down the street. No one has the right to "rid society of vermin". Your prejudices are showing.


Ok, then give us a link to this supposed "chasing Rosenbaum down the street." Was it before or after he was being barraged with stuff being thrown at him or being hit repeatedly in the head with a skateboard? :boom:

[mydavid]

I hope the jury takes into account that two people died because of his actions.

[Pamelah]

He should've thought about that the moment before he brought his rifle into the car and made the trip to the riot.

And being only 17 and a typical stupid punk-arse kid, he woopsied on that decision. So having gotten to the riot and realized what a sh.*show it was, he should've hauled butt right back into the car. Another stupid decision on his part.

So - he'll have to live with knowing that he is "THAT GUY" for the rest of his life. If he doesn't like it, he could just plead guilty on all counts, GO to jail, where he can live the rest of his life in relative anonymity.
Wow you hit so many nails on the head with this post you could have shingled. a whole house. Again I’ll say it’s a damn sad commentary anyone 17, 45, or 93 should be allowed to strut their stuff carrying that weapon.

[Pamelah]

What did she do wrong?

Didn’t she drive him to the event?
Didn’t she know and allow him to walk around toting such a weapon. She is guilty of a lot buddy.

[DeanFL]

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To all those on the side stating that he is GUILTY!!!... you're right.
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[Pamelah]

I hope Rittenhouse is convicted and spends many years in jail.
Alongside his clueless mother.

[ithos]

Just a reminder of the true outrageous crimes being committed during that time when thugs ran wild with virtually no condemnation by the corporate media.

Officials responded to 37 fires in Kenosha on 2nd night of protests, 1 '''nearly leveled several city blocks''' (https://www.fox6now.com/news/officials-responded-to-37-fires-in-kenosha-on-2nd-night-of-protests-1-nearly-leveled-several-city-blocks)

[Susan1717]

What about the felons that lived that assaulted him? One had a pistol. There should also be charges against them! Abd to see the videos of all the thugs rioting, looting, destroying property and hurting others…. Awful that the police had to stand down. Awful that cities are allowing this to happen. They all should be in jail. The boy shouldn’t have had a gun but if he hadn’t, he’d probably be dead. Possession was wrong but was self defense

[donfey]

I predict that no matter which way things come out, half the population will be pi$$ed off.

At this point, the trial has very little to do with justice.,

[JMintzer]

Two victims were unarmed and the one who survived always carried a pistol when he went to work as an actual paramedic. What mother drives her under age kid across state lines carrying an AR15 which he was too young to own, to a violent protest? This kid beat up a girl not long ago but the judge wouldn’t let the jury hear it. This won’t be the end of Rittenhouse’s criminal problems.

Incorrect.

1: His mother did not drive him there. He drove himself.

2: He did NOT transport an AR-15 across state lines. Oh, and the "State Lines" argument is BS anyway. Kenosha is right on the border between Wisconsin and Ohio. Many people live in one and work in the other. Rittenhouse was a lifeguard who worked in Kenosha. His father lived there. It was 15 minutes from his home.

Here in the DC area, millions of people "cross state lines" to work every single day. I live in MD, but work in DC...

3: Grosskreutz, (the parmedic) was carrying his pistol with an expired license, and actually traveled farther to get to Kenosha than did Rittenhouse...

4: There is no proof the Rittenhouse "beat up a girl"...

Did Kyle Rittenhouse Punch a Woman in This Video? | Snopes.com (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kyle-rittenhouse-punch-woman-video/)


But sure, let's start up with the arguments that got the other thread locked down...

[JMintzer]

I hope Rittenhouse is convicted and spends many years in jail.

Prepare to be disappointed...

[dewilson58]

I hope you're never on a jury!

If honest during questioning, he never will. :coolsmiley:

[JMintzer]

One of the victims viewed Rittenhouse as a danger with the rifle, and one was told Rittenhouse was an active shooter. One tried forcibly to wrestle the assault rifle from Rittenhouse, and it cost him his life.The other, Gaige, pointed his gun at Rittenhouse, trying to get him to put the rifle down after being told Rittenhouse was an active shooter, and he too was shot by Rittenhouse. The lesson here: never ever mess with a stupid teenager who thinks he's a vigilante, and carries an assault rifle he isn't even legally entitled to have in his possession.

Fact - Rittenhouse was seen at a bar with members of a white nationalist group in January, and traveled to Miami days later to meet the group's national president.

Fact - Rittenhouse is heard in a video watching some men exit a CVS pharmacy and commenting that he wished he had his rifle so he could shoot them because he thought they were shoplifters.

Fact - the FBI has infrared video footage of Rittenhouse chasing Rosenbaum, the first person Rittenhouse gunned down.

Put it all together - its not hard to connect the dots.

Fact: All of that is BS... It means nothing and most of it is false...

But sure, change this thread into the last one that was shut down...

[JMintzer]

Whether or not the victims were honorable or not is irrelevant. That would be like saying its okay to murder a prostitute because she is not honorable.

Murder is against the law, period. And if he is chasing someone down the street and guns them down, pretty hard to define that as "self defense".

Except he was running away, so there's that...

[JMintzer]

The judge said on Friday he would instruct the jury they can consider the prosecution's argument that the teenager provoked an encounter with one of two men he fatally shot during protests in Wisconsin last year. This again shows Rittenhouse being an aggressor, not the poor innocent bystander image he is trying to project, with his big crocodile tears. Puh-leeze. No one bought that corny routine.

No, it means they can consider the BS argument the DA TRIED to make...

[louie34]

Not guilty

[JMintzer]

Yes after he killed someone they tried to stop him. You live in a world where a girl can get raped on the subway and people see it happening and do nothing. I prefer to live in a world where they see it happen and do something to stop it.

Sure, they were trying to make a "citizen's arrest"!

https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-24-2019/t-W3o3k.jpg

[JMintzer]

Because he chased Rosenbaum down the street, and Rosenbaum turned around and faced him, that makes it okay for rittenhouse to gun him down? Not very good logic.

Did you even watch the trial?

He ran away from Rosenbaum. Rosenbaum was the aggressor, chasing Rittenhouse.

Anyone with two working synapses could see that! Oh, wait...

[JMintzer]

There is video of him chasing Rosenbaum down the street. No one has the right to "rid society of vermin". Your prejudices are showing.

Please cite a source to this "magic video" that the prosecution somehow forgot to enter into evidence...

[bruce213]

Guilty on some accounts.

Even if he's found not guilty, his future is bleak. He has cut his opertunities by half. Limiting his job options, girlfriends his name will always be a Trivia question.

[JMintzer]

Ok, then give us a link to this supposed "chasing Rosenbaum down the street." Was it before or after he was being barraged with stuff being thrown at him or being hit repeatedly in the head with a skateboard? :boom:

It must have been before (sarcasm). The skateboard idiot attacked Rittenhouse alter Rosenbaum had been shot...

[JMintzer]

I hope the jury takes into account that two people died because of his actions.

You spelled "because of THEIR OWN actions" wrong...

[JMintzer]

Didn’t she drive him to the event?
Didn’t she know and allow him to walk around toting such a weapon. She is guilty of a lot buddy.

No and no... He drove himself and the rifle was at his friend's house in Kenosha...

But you would have known that if you had actually watched the trial...

[JMintzer]

Alongside his clueless mother.

What did she do wrong? (this should be interesting...)

[waterflower]

That is so important to understand...The trial of understanding the constitution....which most Americans don't even care about.

[Larchap49]

Let's get people on the record before the verdict comes in.
This is your prediction of what the jury will do - not what you want the jury to do.

The choices are

Guilty on all counts
Guilty on some counts
Not guilty
Hung jury

Not guilty. Files laws suits against all media outlets and settles for millions just like the kid wearing the MAGA hat

[lkagele]

Yes after he killed someone they tried to stop him. You live in a world where a girl can get raped on the subway and people see it happening and do nothing. I prefer to live in a world where they see it happen and do something to stop it.

OK. Rittenhouse lived in a world where he saw rioting and violence with the police doing nothing so he did something to stop it.

[Cranford61]

Let's get people on the record before the verdict comes in.
This is your prediction of what the jury will do - not what you want the jury to do.

The choices are

Guilty on all counts
Guilty on some counts
Not guilty
Hung jury

Regardless of the outcome, I predict he’s going to have a miserable life. Probably end up worse than his mother.

[manaboutown]

I hope the jury takes into account that two people died because of his actions.

Two people died because of THEIR actions. They attacked him and he was able to kill them in self defense before they murdered him.

[manaboutown]

Didn’t she drive him to the event?
Didn’t she know and allow him to walk around toting such a weapon. She is guilty of a lot buddy.

No, she drove him to his friend's house. The weapon was there.

[Larchap49]

No doubt he made some questionable decisions, but nothing nearly as stupid as the ones made by the people who wound up getting shot.

Him, Stupid for going their in the first place? Check. People chasing down a person with a loaded rifle? Really really really stupid. Double check.

[ithos]

What a disgrace that this is even necessary.

Wisconsin governor activates National Guard ahead of Rittenhouse deliberations - Chicago Tribune (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-kyle-rittenhouse-national-guard-verdict-20211112-zbeqjimxbvd7vigflty3zrkj4e-story.html)

[MDLNB]

Someone had to take out the trash, and he probably saved lives and the taxpayers a lot of money. If they had a decent prosecutor, it would not even have gone to court. The only thing he might be guilty of is using an AR-15 instead of an AR-10/308. But, he did have pretty decent control, considering the exigent circumstances of his need to use firepower. The out of control rioting should nullify the law regarding his being underage and possessing a firearm for self-defense. Just my opinion, but I know how I would vote if I had jury duty on that case.

[MDLNB]

I predict that there will be a lot of alcoholic beverages being used to toast this guy at the FOP.

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Hard to predict but the judge is leaning on the defense's side, maybe because Rittenhouse was a minor when it happened. The fair verdict would be unintentional homicide. Not sure what the sentence would be but I think 5-10 years is fair. And whoever gave him the gun should also be charged.

[Madelaine Amee]

I wonder what gives a young man of this age the right to think he can carry a gun and shoot people. What a really messed up world this has become. This will probably turn into another Federal case when the families of the deceased sue him privately afterward.

[dwoodley1975]

Unlike the OJ trial, those "victims" actually attacked Rittenhouse. Their chance of success in a civil suit is zero...

They did not attack him.

[Taltarzac725]

U.S. judge in Rittenhouse trial says jury can consider teen provoked attack | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/judge-rittenhouse-trial-will-not-allow-jury-consider-lesser-charge-shooting-2021-11-12/)

Probably a hung jury.

Documentary wonders if Kyle Rittenhouse case will end in hung jury (https://www.tmj4.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-trial/documentary-questions-if-kyle-rittenhouse-case-will-end-in-hung-jury)

[DeanFL]

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Evers sending 500 National Guard troops to Kenosha ahead of Rittenhouse verdict
Posted: November 12, 2021 2:25 PM

KENOSHA, Wis. — Roughly 500 troops from the Wisconsin Army National Guard are reporting for active duty as law enforcement officials prepare for the conclusion of the Kyle Rittenhouse murder trial, Wisconsin Gov. Tony Evers’ office said Friday.

Evers’ office had previously said troops were ready to be mobilized if the governor deemed it necessary, but did not provide specifics on how many may be called.

On Friday, the governor’s office said the troops will stage outside Kenosha on standby to respond if local law enforcement agencies request their help.
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...any opportunity the scum of our country gets to ravage and steal.

IDIOTS.
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[nhtexasrn]

Totally agree. I hope goes to jail for life.
You hope he goes to jail for life for defending himself? Have you seen the video? Yes, he probably should not have been there at all, but he was and he was about to be shot in the head!

[vinnytalk]

Leave it along, let the trial end and the jury hand in a verdict, why are you playing a game with someone's life. Dumb game your playing
Let's get people on the record before the verdict comes in.
This is your prediction of what the jury will do - not what you want the jury to do.

The choices are

Guilty on all counts
Guilty on some counts
Not guilty
Hung jury

[nhtexasrn]

I wonder what gives a young man of this age the right to think he can carry a gun and shoot people. What a really messed up world this has become. This will probably turn into another Federal case when the families of the deceased sue him privately afterward.

You do realize the deceased were about to kill him, right? Would you have just let someone shoot you in the head? Get real.

[Taltarzac725]

You do realize the deceased were about to kill him, right? Would you have just let someone shoot you in the head? Get real.

Rittenhouse victim calls teen an ‘active shooter’ in homicide trial | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-victim-testimony-b1956440.html)

There are a lot of different takes on this.

Rittenhouse went there looking for trouble and armed to the teeth.

[tvbound]

I predict he will most likely be acquitted of the murder charges and can only hope the jurors recognize what really happened and he's convicted on lesser charges. A smarmy hero wannabe, with a gun, purposely put himself into a situation where he might get the chance to shoot someone. He carried a prop (the medic kit), yet never even bothered to try and use it on the people he killed/shot, because that wasn't the real reason he was there. As stated earlier, those who are most rooting him on are white supremacists/KKK/Proud Boys/Etc., who would love nothing more than to think that they are getting a green light, to go play vigilante tough guy at future protests and get away with the same thing as Rittenhouse. People and groups like that rooting you on, tells a reasonable/decent person all they need to know about the little thug, what happened - and his true motive for even being there.

[Gettingoutofdodge]

Mistrial

[Maish]

Guilty on some counts including possession of a firearm by a minor.

[Villages Kahuna]

Hung jury

[JMintzer]

OK. Rittenhouse lived in a world where he saw rioting and violence with the police doing nothing so he did something to stop it.

Touche´

[JMintzer]

No, she drove him to his friend's house. The weapon was there.

No, he stated in court that he drove himself...

[JMintzer]

What a disgrace that this is even necessary.

Wisconsin governor activates National Guard ahead of Rittenhouse deliberations - Chicago Tribune (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-kyle-rittenhouse-national-guard-verdict-20211112-zbeqjimxbvd7vigflty3zrkj4e-story.html)

Well, idiots are gonna' idiot... The stores must be restocked and Christmas is right around the corner...

[JMintzer]

I wonder what gives a young man of this age the right to think he can carry a gun and shoot people. What a really messed up world this has become. This will probably turn into another Federal case when the families of the deceased sue him privately afterward.

The right to self defense is absolute...

[JMintzer]

They did not attack him.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Surely you jest! They have it on video...

[JMintzer]

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and.... here we go....>

Evers sending 500 National Guard troops to Kenosha ahead of Rittenhouse verdict
Posted: November 12, 2021 2:25 PM

KENOSHA, Wis. — Roughly 500 troops from the Wisconsin Army National Guard are reporting for active duty as law enforcement officials prepare for the conclusion of the Kyle Rittenhouse murder trial, Wisconsin Gov. Tony Evers’ office said Friday.

Evers’ office had previously said troops were ready to be mobilized if the governor deemed it necessary, but did not provide specifics on how many may be called.

On Friday, the governor’s office said the troops will stage outside Kenosha on standby to respond if local law enforcement agencies request their help.
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...any opportunity the scum of our country gets to ravage and steal.

IDIOTS.
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They should have been there when this all happened...

[Phpb2]

Any Guilty verdict gets overturned. Prosecutor’s ? of post arrest silence is now and has always been reversible error! Judge should have declared mistrial with prejudice!

[nhtexasrn]

Drove and dropped him off in an unsafe area. At least he is crying!

It's obvious that you don't even know the true story.

[JMintzer]

Rittenhouse victim calls teen an ‘active shooter’ in homicide trial | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-victim-testimony-b1956440.html)

There are a lot of different takes on this.

Rittenhouse went there looking for trouble and armed to the teeth.

Actually, he went there to clean graffiti, put out fires and provide medical aid. It's all on video...

Nothing happened until Grossman decided to confront others protecting property, daring them to do something, saw Rittenhouse off on his own and started chasing him...

Rittenhouse had passed a multitude of people, offering medical aid, with no one getting upset...

[JMintzer]

I predict he will most likely be acquitted of the murder charges and can only hope the jurors recognize what really happened and he's convicted on lesser charges. A smarmy hero wannabe, with a gun, purposely put himself into a situation where he might get the chance to shoot someone. He carried a prop (the medic kit), yet never even bothered to try and use it on the people he killed/shot, because that wasn't the real reason he was there. As stated earlier, those who are most rooting him on are white supremacists/KKK/Proud Boys/Etc., who would love nothing more than to think that they are getting a green light, to go play vigilante tough guy at future protests and get away with the same thing as Rittenhouse. People and groups like that rooting you on, tells a reasonable/decent person all they need to know about the little thug, what happened - and his true motive for even being there.

Yeah, it's kinda' tough to give medical aid when a 2nd and third person are trying to kill you...

To the rest of your accusations... Sure, if you say so... But I'm pretty sure the people you mentioned wouldn't have me as one of their members...

But it must be amazing. You being able to know his "true motive"...

[Eg_cruz]

He should've thought about that the moment before he brought his rifle into the car and made the trip to the riot.

And being only 17 and a typical stupid punk-arse kid, he woopsied on that decision. So having gotten to the riot and realized what a sh.*show it was, he should've hauled butt right back into the car. Another stupid decision on his part.

So - he'll have to live with knowing that he is "THAT GUY" for the rest of his life. If he doesn't like it, he could just plead guilty on all counts, GO to jail, where he can live the rest of his life in relative anonymity.
Smh

[Caymus]

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Evers sending 500 National Guard troops to Kenosha ahead of Rittenhouse verdict
Posted: November 12, 2021 2:25 PM


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....let the looting begin

[Alana33]

Unfortunately, I believe that he will get away with murder. Read the autopsy results of his victims.
Especially, the one shot in the back.
The judge is prejudiced in this case.
This is a excellent reason to ban the sale of assault weapons. He was locked and loaded, looking for trouble. He killed 2 humans. Injured a third.
Those he killed have family and loved ones.
He wasn't sorry at the bar with the white supremacist group. He should be found guilty.

[Weiserj]

You are spreading misinformation…go review your facts and amend, no delete, your comment 🤔

[Eg_cruz]

Let's get people on the record before the verdict comes in.
This is your prediction of what the jury will do - not what you want the jury to do.

The choices are

Guilty on all counts
Guilty on some counts
Not guilty
Hung jury
I have come to realize that quite a lot of people who voice their opinions have not watched the trail just going off of the MSM headlines, which is sad. The MSM has an agenda and that’s to make you not know the truth.
So if you want to talked about it great but please watch the trail videos (all of them) and then voice your opinions.
Because you are talking about a young mans life and he should be able to have a fair trail and not be tried and hung by the MSM……PERIOD

Not Guilty……..

[Love2Swim]

Incorrect.

1: His mother did not drive him there. He drove himself.

2: He did NOT transport an AR-15 across state lines. Oh, and the "State Lines" argument is BS anyway. Kenosha is right on the border between Wisconsin and Ohio. Many people live in one and work in the other. Rittenhouse was a lifeguard who worked in Kenosha. His father lived there. It was 15 minutes from his home.

Here in the DC area, millions of people "cross state lines" to work every single day. I live in MD, but work in DC...

3: Grosskreutz, (the parmedic) was carrying his pistol with an expired license, and actually traveled farther to get to Kenosha than did Rittenhouse...

4: There is no proof the Rittenhouse "beat up a girl"...

Did Kyle Rittenhouse Punch a Woman in This Video? | Snopes.com (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kyle-rittenhouse-punch-woman-video/)


But sure, let's start up with the arguments that got the other thread locked down...

You're right, the across state line thing doesn't mean anything. He wasn't licensed to carry an assault rifle in Wisconsin. And the crux of the matter is that he murdered two people, one unarmed, with the assault rifle he shouldn't have been in possession of.

As far as Snopes, someone needs to brush up on their reading skills. Snopes says there is plenty of proof. They show the two pictures, and it clearly looks like Rittenhouse. He is wearing a very unique pair of American flag clogs in both pictures. Snopes says it is most likely Rittenhouse but because it is based on visuals, it can't be confirmed 100%. So it appears he wasn't the little choir boy the defense would like everyone to believe. He very likely attacked this woman; he made remarks about how he wished he had his gun in case a couple of guys leaving a store had shoplifted - he said he'd kill them. He goes to a riot with an assault rifle...and afterwards poses for selfies with Proud Boys (a terrorist organization") with a tee shirt that says "Free as F**K as though he is a celebrity. The only remorse we've seen is the crocodile tears at the trial. Hmm...

[Eg_cruz]

Unfortunately, I believe that he will get away with murder. Read the autopsy results of his victims.
Especially, the one shot in the back.
The judge is prejudiced in this case.
This is a excellent reason to ban the sale of assault weapons. He was locked and loaded, looking for trouble. He killed 2 humans. Injured a third.
Those he killed have family and loved ones.
He wasn't sorry at the bar with the white supremacist group. He should be found guilty.
So obvious that you have not watched any of the trial because you would know no one was shot in the back.

[Daddymac]

I expect the punk to get off. I just wish he would be severely punished along with his mother.

You wish he would be severely punished?? FOR SELF DEFENSE !!!
Did you see what happened?? Skateboard to the head, hand gun pointed at your face. And the one guy that did live who he shot, testified that Rittenhouse was defending himself.

[Weiserj]

No she didn’t drive him….go back to square 1 and review the case.

[Eg_cruz]

I wonder what gives a young man of this age the right to think he can carry a gun and shoot people. What a really messed up world this has become. This will probably turn into another Federal case when the families of the deceased sue him privately afterward.
Here we go again, someone making a comment that is obvious you haven’t watched any of the hearing. Watch the hearing before you condemn someone.

[Eg_cruz]

Whether or not the victims were honorable or not is irrelevant. That would be like saying its okay to murder a prostitute because she is not honorable.

Murder is against the law, period. And if he is chasing someone down the street and guns them down, pretty hard to define that as "self defense".
With all your comments there are two thing happening here
1) you have not watch the 8 full days of trail
2) you get your info from headline news

[Eg_cruz]

Just a little itty bitty tiny widdle difference:

HIS stupid decisions resulted directly in the creation of two corpses. "Boys will be boys" is not a reasonable excuse for that.
Was it Rittenhouse stupid decision or was it the stupid decision of the three thugs that ran after and attack a person with a gun. If I have a gun and you have your fist and a skateboard and you threaten my life and you run after me who’s the stupid one. When you are chasing me and I am running from you I turn around and point my gun and you still try to jump me….again who is the stupid one. I have a gun and I am on my back on the ground and you hit over the head with a skateboard as I have my gun who is the stupid one.
If I point a gun at your face and you shot me who is the stupid one. Oh and let’s not forget how on the stand he tell the truth and said he pointed a gun at Rittenhouse face and then 2 days later goes on Good Morning American where the host let’s him lie about what happen…….it was so shameful.

Had the thugs left him a lone they would be here today, committing more crimes and hurt more kids as they did in lives.

I wish you watch all 8 days with an open mind and not the mind of the haters of MSM

[Bogie Shooter]

Just sayin....
You live in The Villages and own a couple guns.
One afternoon you hear a lot of yelling and a shot is fired. Turns out it is at your next door neighbors house. You grab on of your guns and walk out your front door. A man exits next door out the front of your neighbors.
You raise your gun....and the man does as well. The man fires killing you and is later arrested and charged with murder.
His defense; he felt his life was threatened and shot in self defense.
Is he guilty or not of killing you?

[Bogie Shooter]

Was it Rittenhouse stupid decision or was it the stupid decision of the three thugs that ran after and attack a person with a gun. If I have a gun and you have your fist and a skateboard and you threaten my life and you run after me who’s the stupid one. When you are chasing me and I am running from you I turn around and point my gun and you still try to jump me….again who is the stupid one. I have a gun and I am on my back on the ground and you hit over the head with a skateboard as I have my gun who is the stupid one.
If I point a gun at your face and you shot me who is the stupid one. Oh and let’s not forget how on the stand he tell the truth and said he pointed a gun at Rittenhouse face and then 2 days later goes on Good Morning American where the host let’s him lie about what happen…….it was so shameful.

Had the thugs left him a lone they would be here today, committing more crimes and hurt more kids as they did in lives.

I wish you watch all 8 days with an open mind and not the mind of the haters of MSM

Dumb me what is MSM?

[Taltarzac725]

Is this a stranger or someone you know in some way who exits from your neighbor's house?

Just sayin....
You live in The Villages and own a couple guns.
One afternoon you hear a lot of yelling and a shot is fired. Turns out it is at your next door neighbors house. You grab on of your guns and walk out your front door. A man exits next door out the front of your neighbors.
You raise your gun....and the man does as well. The man fires killing you and is later arrested and charged with murder.
His defense; he felt his life was threatened and shot in self defense.
Is he guilty or not of killing you?

[Neils]

Totally agree. I hope goes to jail for life.

He should have allowed the law breaking criminals to chase him down and then kill or maim him. Thats the American way today.

[Trayderjoe]

Dumb me what is MSM?

MSM = Main Stream Media

[MDLNB]

Just sayin....
You live in The Villages and own a couple guns.
One afternoon you hear a lot of yelling and a shot is fired. Turns out it is at your next door neighbors house. You grab on of your guns and walk out your front door. A man exits next door out the front of your neighbors.
You raise your gun....and the man does as well. The man fires killing you and is later arrested and charged with murder.
His defense; he felt his life was threatened and shot in self defense.
Is he guilty or not of killing you?


Guess you would never know, since you were killed. :MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot:
If he only shot and wounded you, then it would be a different scenario, right?
Murder requires evil intent (Mens rea). Hard to prove this when the guy was cleaning graffiti, putting out fires and offering first aid.

Next....

[tvbound]

Dumb me what is MSM?

Typically, those sources that don't peddle outright lies and wacko conspiracy theories. They can often be identified, by a lack of aluminum foil purchased by the case.

[MDLNB]

Dumb me what is MSM?


MSM=
Methylsulfonylmethane

[Trayderjoe]

Just sayin....
You live in The Villages and own a couple guns.
One afternoon you hear a lot of yelling and a shot is fired. Turns out it is at your next door neighbors house. You grab on of your guns and walk out your front door. A man exits next door out the front of your neighbors.
You raise your gun....and the man does as well. The man fires killing you and is later arrested and charged with murder.
His defense; he felt his life was threatened and shot in self defense.
Is he guilty or not of killing you?

This scenario is exactly why you should NOT grab your gun and exit your home unless you are a member of the police force. How do you know that the person exiting the neighbor’s home is the perpetrator of a crime? What if the shot you heard fired was done in anger at a TV by your neighbor, and his guest secured the firearm taking it outside away from your neighbor? In this limited information scenario you would do best to call 911 to report the potential shot you heard and stay in your home. You could make your firearm available to you inside your home if you were concerned about a potential home invasion.

Should the person subsequently attempt to enter your home uninvited, the “Castle Doctrine” would apply and you would potentially be shielded from prosecution and civil liability. You would still need to consult an attorney to interact on your behalf as you could still be charged.

Should you not have concealed carry insurance (which should cover you in the home), you might want to consider the cost of an attorney and potential trial costs versus the annual premium.

[IMPidd]

If not Dismissed With Prejudice... Hung Jury

[ThirdOfFive]

Let's get people on the record before the verdict comes in.
This is your prediction of what the jury will do - not what you want the jury to do.

The choices are

Guilty on all counts
Guilty on some counts
Not guilty
Hung jury
Guilty on possession of a dangerous weapon by a minor. Not guilty on the other five counts.

Still, that presupposes that there will be only the original six counts he was charged with. I read yesterday that the prosecution is planning to ask the judge if they can included some other (unspecified) counts. It was phrased by the analyst as pretty much tantamount to admitting that their case against Rittenhouse is pretty flimsy and they don't want to walk away with nothing.

Anyway, the Court of Public Opinion has had its say. In light of what we've heard and seen, we should all be thankful that courts of LAW still decide guilt or innocence in America.

[Trayderjoe]

Unfortunately, I believe that he will get away with murder. Read the autopsy results of his victims.
Especially, the one shot in the back.
The judge is prejudiced in this case.
This is a excellent reason to ban the sale of assault weapons. He was locked and loaded, looking for trouble. He killed 2 humans. Injured a third.
Those he killed have family and loved ones.
He wasn't sorry at the bar with the white supremacist group. He should be found guilty.

There are so many things wrong with this post. Another example of the influence of MSM and ignoring the actual trial transcripts.

[Trayderjoe]

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[MDLNB]

This scenario is exactly why you should NOT grab your gun and exit your home unless you are a member of the police force. How do you know that the person exiting the neighbor’s home is the perpetrator of a crime? What if the shot you heard fired was done in anger at a TV by your neighbor, and his guest secured the firearm taking it outside away from your neighbor? In this limited information scenario you would do best to call 911 to report the potential shot you heard and stay in your home. You could make your firearm available to you inside your home if you were concerned about a potential home invasion.

Should the person subsequently attempt to enter your home uninvited, the “Castle Doctrine” would apply and you would potentially be shielded from prosecution and civil liability. You would still need to consult an attorney to interact on your behalf as you could still be charged.

Should you not have concealed carry insurance (which should cover you in the home), you might want to consider the cost of an attorney and potential trial costs versus the annual premium.


This has nothing to do with the current case in the News.

It's about as relevant as this scenario:
A guy goes into the woods searching for firewood. He comes across a bear(or a wolf ,or a pack of wolves) and the bear charges. Hunting season is not for several more months. Does the guy shoot to defend himself or goes by the law and gets eaten? If he is in the woods seeking firewood, why does he have a gun on him? He says it is to protect himself from predators.

[Trayderjoe]

Typically, those sources that don't peddle outright lies and wacko conspiracy theories. They can often be identified, by a lack of aluminum foil purchased by the case.

Wrong, once again.

[Trayderjoe]

This has nothing to do with the current case in the News.

It's about as relevant as this scenario:
A guy goes into the woods searching for firewood. He comes across a bear(or a wolf ,or a pack of wolves) and the bear charges. Hunting season is not for several more months. Does the guy shoot to defend himself or goes by the law and gets eaten? If he is in the woods seeking firewood, why does he have a gun on him? He says it is to protect himself from predators.

I never said it applied to Rittenhouse which was an entirely different scenario. Was addressing the scenario in question, which was extremely limited in information.

The consequences for shooting a person are potentially more severe than shooting wild life, thus I would not equate the scenarios.

[manaboutown]

Prosecutors to seek lesser charges against Rittenhouse as their case falls apart | The Post Millennial (https://thepostmillennial.com/rittenhouse-prosecutors-to-seek-lesser-charges-as-their-case-crumbles?utm_campaign=64474&fbclid=IwAR0skYPRFnqpttTSlyEs_ZylpgzNmz5eaBHh9Z9vi 2vjamxEOqZaRmenuvs)

Prosecution Makes Explosive Admission: A 'Reasonable Jury' Could Acquit Rittenhouse of First-Degree Murder (https://www.westernjournal.com/prosecution-makes-explosive-admission-reasonable-jury-acquit-rittenhouse-first-degree-murder/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=teaparty&utm_content=2021-11-13&utm_campaign=manualpost&fbclid=IwAR0oBr6HiUZjs1WF7azgxNFZTdoPY2kjHpCfYIKoB g7G-8iI6EIcvkiwJbQ)

[lkagele]

Prosecutors to seek lesser charges against Rittenhouse as their case falls apart | The Post Millennial (https://thepostmillennial.com/rittenhouse-prosecutors-to-seek-lesser-charges-as-their-case-crumbles?utm_campaign=64474&fbclid=IwAR0skYPRFnqpttTSlyEs_ZylpgzNmz5eaBHh9Z9vi 2vjamxEOqZaRmenuvs)

Prosecution Makes Explosive Admission: A 'Reasonable Jury' Could Acquit Rittenhouse of First-Degree Murder (https://www.westernjournal.com/prosecution-makes-explosive-admission-reasonable-jury-acquit-rittenhouse-first-degree-murder/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=teaparty&utm_content=2021-11-13&utm_campaign=manualpost&fbclid=IwAR0oBr6HiUZjs1WF7azgxNFZTdoPY2kjHpCfYIKoB g7G-8iI6EIcvkiwJbQ)

Not sure they can do that at this late stage as it's not really fair to the defense. The defense prepared for a trial with specific charges being made. Their defense may have been somewhat different if lesser charges were made.

[manaboutown]

Not sure they can do that at this late stage as it's not really fair to the defense. The defense prepared for a trial with specific charges being made. Their defense may have been somewhat different if lesser charges were made.

Kyle Rittenhouse trial: Jury could be allowed to weigh lesser charges against accused Kenosha shooter | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-jury-charges-against-kenosha-shooter?cmpid=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR0UXVKLSYtm-qnDy1TNvFBD12Up0Pb-02azFHRhOtLpTkcyVJlgLoMCdqk)

[John41]

Not sure they can do that at this late stage as it's not really fair to the defense. The defense prepared for a trial with specific charges being made. Their defense may have been somewhat different if lesser charges were made.

I agree it’s unfair and grounds for appeal along with constitutional missteps by the prosecutor.

[John41]

Unfortunately, I believe that he will get away with murder. Read the autopsy results of his victims.
Especially, the one shot in the back.
The judge is prejudiced in this case.
This is a excellent reason to ban the sale of assault weapons. He was locked and loaded, looking for trouble. He killed 2 humans. Injured a third.
Those he killed have family and loved ones.
He wasn't sorry at the bar with the white supremacist group. He should be found guilty.

The mothers and fathers of the five 7 to 11 year old little boys molested by Rosenbaum would disagree with you. You do know he was imprisoned for the crimes?

[Eg_cruz]

Because he chased Rosenbaum down the street, and Rosenbaum turned around and faced him, that makes it okay for rittenhouse to gun him down? Not very good logic.
You have no clue what you are talking about
Do yourself a favor sit down and watch the trail….all 8 days so you can find out what happen because you are not even close to being right

[Eg_cruz]

Dumb me what is MSM?
MSM = Main Stream Media

[JMintzer]

....let the looting begin

Christmas is right around the corner!

[JMintzer]

Unfortunately, I believe that he will get away with murder. Read the autopsy results of his victims.
Especially, the one shot in the back.
The judge is prejudiced in this case.
This is a excellent reason to ban the sale of assault weapons. He was locked and loaded, looking for trouble. He killed 2 humans. Injured a third.
Those he killed have family and loved ones.
He wasn't sorry at the bar with the white supremacist group. He should be found guilty.

Yeah, read the testimony. It shows you're wrong... Especially about the one "shot in the back"... He wasn't "running away"...

Medical examiner gives graphic testimony on injuries that killed Rittenhouse shooting victims | Wisconsin Public Radio (https://www.wpr.org/medical-examiner-gives-graphic-testimony-injuries-killed-rittenhouse-shooting-victims)

But nice fail at your gun control argument. At least you tried...

[JMintzer]

I have come to realize that quite a lot of people who voice their opinions have not watched the trail just going off of the MSM headlines, which is sad. The MSM has an agenda and that’s to make you not know the truth.
So if you want to talked about it great but please watch the trail videos (all of them) and then voice your opinions.
Because you are talking about a young mans life and he should be able to have a fair trail and not be tried and hung by the MSM……PERIOD

Not Guilty……..

Ya' think?

[dsheets@bankers-ins.com]

Not guilty.

[JMintzer]

So obvious that you have not watched any of the trial because you would know no one was shot in the back.

Actually, Rosenbaum was shot in the flank (back). That is because Rittenhouse fired 4 times and he turned as he was being shot... But they also stated he was falling forward when he was shot, not running away

It has no bearing on anything, since it does not, in any way, show that Rosenbaum was trying to run away... Or that Rittenhouse chased him. The video evidence is crystal clear on that...

Medical examiner gives graphic testimony on injuries that killed Rittenhouse shooting victims | Wisconsin Public Radio (https://www.wpr.org/medical-examiner-gives-graphic-testimony-injuries-killed-rittenhouse-shooting-victims)

[JMintzer]

Typically, those sources that don't peddle outright lies and wacko conspiracy theories. They can often be identified, by a lack of aluminum foil purchased by the case.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Duke Lacrosse, Jussie Smolette, Russia Hoax, Covington Hoax (CNN lost a libel suit on that one), shall I continue?

[JMintzer]

The mothers and fathers of the five 7 to 11 year old little boys molested by Rosenbaum would disagree with you. You do know he was imprisoned for the crimes?

You spelled raped wrong...

[jimbomaybe]

I wonder what gives a young man of this age the right to think he can carry a gun and shoot people. What a really messed up world this has become. This will probably turn into another Federal case when the families of the deceased sue him privately afterward. I think you are missing the point, If he acted in self defense he was justified, law suite , sure but unless he has deep pockets no reason, unless some lawyer want to get their name out there and do it pro bono.

[jimbomaybe]

Christmas is right around the corner! Avoid the Christmas rush ,, do your Christmas looting early

[oneclickplus]

Let's get people on the record before the verdict comes in.
This is your prediction of what the jury will do - not what you want the jury to do.

The choices are

Guilty on all counts
Guilty on some counts
Not guilty
Hung jury

Judge dismisses with prejudice due to prosecutorial misconduct.

[Packer Fan]

Totally agree. I hope goes to jail for life.

Wow, how
Do you even live with yourself. The ones who should go to jail are the rioters. THEY should not have been there. I would hire this kid tomorrow. Why is it HE made a mistake but not all the scummy looters?

[MDLNB]

He was a good Samaritan/hero that had the misfortune of having to put down a couple animals that made the mistake of attacking him. He was running away, but they insisted on pursuing him, probably to steal his rifle from him and take his life. If he was in Florida he would not have had to run, due to the Stand your ground law.
Not sure how the verdict will go, but if I was on the jury he would be NOT GUILTY.

[Duppman]

Let's get people on the record before the verdict comes in.
This is your prediction of what the jury will do - not what you want the jury to do.

The choices are

Guilty on all counts
Guilty on some counts
Not guilty
Hung jury

Sorry, I just don't see the need.

[manaboutown]

No source (or person) gets things correct, 100% of the time. Those with integrity and ethics will usually publicly admit when they're wrong, whereas the wacko & conspiracy starting sources (and people) refuse to ever do so - unless forced to by the legal system. Sandy Hook being the perfect example. Shall I continue?

The MSM media which clearly lacks integrity and ethics rarely if ever acknowledges they got it wrong which amounts to a good deal of the time because they have an agenda.

"Nicholas Sandmann tweeted Friday he reached a settlement in his $250 million defamation lawsuit against the Washington Post — on his 18th birthday. Nobody divulged the payout.

“Today, I turned 18 & WaPo settled my lawsuit. … Thanks to my family & millions of you who have stood your ground by supporting me. I still have more to do,” Sandmann stated in a tweet. The “more to do” are similar lawsuits against Gannett, ABC, CBS, the New York Times and Rolling Stone, the Washington Post reported."

From: Washington Post settles $250M lawsuit with teen in a MAGA hat (https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/07/24/washington-post-settles-250m-lawsuit-with-teen-in-a-maga-hat/)

[Bruceg0028]

No matter what the verdict is, he’s going to have to live for the rest of his life knowing he killed 2 people regardless of who’s fault it was. He will replay over and over in his mind if I just had not gone there. If I had just got back in my car.

It was not his job to go into a riot with a gun. He wasn’t law enforcement who is trained for these situations. He is just a kid who made a tragic decision that will affect him and his family and the people that died and there families for the rest of all their lives.

His verdict will be a self made prison with a life sentence.

Very sad…

[tvbound]

The MSM media which clearly lacks integrity and ethics rarely if ever acknowledges they got it wrong which amounts to a good deal of the time because they have an agenda.

"Nicholas Sandmann tweeted Friday he reached a settlement in his $250 million defamation lawsuit against the Washington Post — on his 18th birthday. Nobody divulged the payout.

“Today, I turned 18 & WaPo settled my lawsuit. … Thanks to my family & millions of you who have stood your ground by supporting me. I still have more to do,” Sandmann stated in a tweet. The “more to do” are similar lawsuits against Gannett, ABC, CBS, the New York Times and Rolling Stone, the Washington Post reported."

From: Washington Post settles $250M lawsuit with teen in a MAGA hat (/2020/07/24/washington-post-settles-250m-lawsuit-with-teen-in-a-maga-hat/)

As I was saying.

"Nicholas Sandmann agreed to settle with the Post because the Post was quick to publish the whole truth—through its follow-up coverage and editor's notes," Sandmann's attorney, Todd McMurtry, said in an email.

The Washington Post settles lawsuit with Nick Sandmann after viral March for Life controversy - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/24/media/washington-post-sandmann-settlement-lawsuit/index.html)


Whereas Jones apologized and quit his lying that the heinous murder of innocent children was faked, only AFTER he lost in court.

[JSR22]

Wow, how
Do you even live with yourself. The ones who should go to jail are the rioters. THEY should not have been there. I would hire this kid tomorrow. Why is it HE made a mistake but not all the scummy looters?

He murdered 2 people I do not consider that a mistake. He is now a thug. Hire him? So he can make terrible decisions.
He needs to go to jail.

[tvbound]

No matter what the verdict is, he’s going to have to live for the rest of his life knowing he killed 2 people regardless of who’s fault it was. He will replay over and over in his mind if I just had not gone there. If I had just got back in my car.

It was not his job to go into a riot with a gun. He wasn’t law enforcement who is trained for these situations. He is just a kid who made a tragic decision that will affect him and his family and the people that died and there families for the rest of all their lives.

His verdict will be a self made prison with a life sentence.

Very sad…


"His verdict will be a self made prison with a life sentence."

I would really like to think that your prediction is correct, but I believe his acquittal will not only embolden and encourage others to play vigilante/hero wannabe - but that he will also celebrate getting away with it. Sad, just sad.

[Caymus]

Not guilty and then moves with his mother to The Villages.

[JSR22]

Not guilty and then moves with his mother to The Villages.

Fortunately he is not 19. We don't need a murderer living with us. That would be an awful scenario having him here.

[tophcfa]

Fortunately he is not 19. We don't need a murderer living with us. That would be an awful scenario having him here.

So how do you REALLY feel about him?

[JSR22]

So how do you REALLY feel about him?

I think he's a thug that belongs in jail.

[manaboutown]

He murdered 2 people I do not consider that a mistake. He is now a thug. Hire him? So he can make terrible decisions.
He needs to go to jail.

Wrong again!

In self defense he killed two thugs attempting to murder him.

[manaboutown]

As I was saying.

"Nicholas Sandmann agreed to settle with the Post because the Post was quick to publish the whole truth—through its follow-up coverage and editor's notes," Sandmann's attorney, Todd McMurtry, said in an email.

The Washington Post settles lawsuit with Nick Sandmann after viral March for Life controversy - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/24/media/washington-post-sandmann-settlement-lawsuit/index.html)


Whereas Jones apologized and quit his lying that the heinous murder of innocent children was faked, only AFTER he lost in court.

WaPo got caught red handed at publishing fake news. It scrambled to cover itself as he had it dead to rights and they knew it. So they paid up! It was not voluntary, like "Oh we goofed, we need to make this right." lol

Now why did CNN settle?

"CNN agreed to settle with Sandmann in January this year as part of a separate $275 million claim."

From: Washington Post settles $250M suit with Covington teen Nick Sandmann (https://nypost.com/2020/07/24/washington-post-settles-250m-suit-with-covington-teen-nick-sandmann/)

"The Sandmann lawsuit against CNN stated: "CNN brought down the full force of its corporate power, influence, and wealth on Nicholas by falsely attacking, vilifying, and bullying him despite the fact that he was a minor child."

From: Nick Sandmann's settlement with CNN was almost public (https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/local/2020/08/25/nick-sandmanns-settlement-with-cnn-was-almost-public/113489358/)

[RealJudy]

Not guilty

[Heartnsoul]

Not guilty

[JSR22]

Guilty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kenswing]

Guilty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not a chance. lol

[JSR22]

Not a chance. lol

IU can wish the cry baby thug goes to jail!

[manaboutown]

IU can wish the cry baby thug goes to jail!

Self defense. Not guilty! Thank you for your service, Kyle, in putting these violent thugs out of operation! Especially on behalf of boys aged 7 to 11.

[John41]

You spelled raped wrong...

You are correct. But I just spent 4 weeks in the penalty box, why I don’t know, so am being careful in my wording. This thread might put me right back there too.

[John41]

///

[MDLNB]

He murdered 2 people I do not consider that a mistake. He is now a thug. Hire him? So he can make terrible decisions.
He needs to go to jail.


It wasn't murder. Go to jail for illegally possessing a firearm? No one else goes to jail for it, unless they are convicted felons that are caught with a gun.

[Eg_cruz]

He murdered 2 people I do not consider that a mistake. He is now a thug. Hire him? So he can make terrible decisions.
He needs to go to jail.
Why do people (like you) who CLEARLY did not watch the 8 days of trail KEEP making comments that are clearly misleading and clearly misinformed

[Eg_cruz]

I think he's a thug that belongs in jail.
And yet an other who has not watched the trail…….step away from the headline news and go back and watch the hearing……smh

[camaguey48]

Not guilty. Prosecutor guilty of falsifying his law degree.

[Love2Swim]

Not guilty. Prosecutor guilty of falsifying his law degree.

I can't stop laughing.....thanks for the morning comedy.

[Davonu]

My prediction?…

Trouble regardless of verdict.

[JMintzer]

No source (or person) gets things correct, 100% of the time. Those with integrity and ethics will usually publicly admit when they're wrong, whereas the wacko & conspiracy starting sources (and people) refuse to ever do so - unless forced to by the legal system. Sandy Hook being the perfect example. Shall I continue?

Yeah, CNN and MSNBC has yet to do that...

The WaPo FINALLY admitted they were wrong about the Russia Hoax and printed a retraction, well over a year after the truth was known...

Sandy Hook? What about it? (other than being a red herring?)

[JMintzer]

As I was saying.

"Nicholas Sandmann agreed to settle with the Post because the Post was quick to publish the whole truth—through its follow-up coverage and editor's notes," Sandmann's attorney, Todd McMurtry, said in an email.

The Washington Post settles lawsuit with Nick Sandmann after viral March for Life controversy - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/24/media/washington-post-sandmann-settlement-lawsuit/index.html)


Whereas Jones apologized and quit his lying that the heinous murder of innocent children was faked, only AFTER he lost in court.

Hysterical that you're citing CNN, the OTHER "news" source who had to settle a lawsuit with Sandman... They continued with their lies for months, after the truth was known...

And they're still doing it today, by "reporting" incorrect facts about the Rittenhouse case...

Who the hell is "Jones"?

[JMintzer]

He murdered 2 people I do not consider that a mistake. He is now a thug. Hire him? So he can make terrible decisions.
He needs to go to jail.

Murdered? LOL! You spelled "self defense" wrong...

[JMintzer]

Why do people (like you) who CLEARLY did not watch the 8 days of trail KEEP making comments that are clearly misleading and clearly misinformed

It's what they do... Learned behavior from watching certain news sources that do the same thing (and get sued for $millions and lose)...

[Packer Fan]

He murdered 2 people I do not consider that a mistake. He is now a thug. Hire him? So he can make terrible decisions.
He needs to go to jail.

There is this thing in our country called "Innocent until proven guilty". I guess you don't believe in that. It is fine for a bunch of people to loot and burn a city, but not for anyone to defend it? The kid is a hero.

[JSR22]

There is this thing in our country called "Innocent until proven guilty". I guess you don't believe in that. It is fine for a bunch of people to loot and burn a city, but not for anyone to defend it? The kid is a hero.

Hero? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[manaboutown]

There is this thing in our country called "Innocent until proven guilty". I guess you don't believe in that. It is fine for a bunch of people to loot and burn a city, but not for anyone to defend it? The kid is a hero.

:agree:

[Caymus]

:agree:

Apparently The Villages contains a pro looting contingent.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

My guess is that he'll be found not guilty on all counts.

[santiagobob]

[QUOTE=Rainger99;2028505]Let's get people on the record before the verdict comes in.
This is your prediction of what the jury will do - not what you want the jury to do.

The choices are

]Guilty on all counts
If a person is carrying a set of golf clubs ,he intends to play golf.
If a person is carrying a fishing pole and a tackle box, he intends to go fishing.
If a person is carrying a loaded automatic weapon, he intends to shoot someone.

[santiagobob]

:agree:

So anyone can kill one or two people in a Walmart parking lot and claim that he was protecting property, What is this country coming too???

[Kenswing]

If a person is carrying a set of golf clubs ,he intends to play golf.
If a person is carrying a fishing pole and a tackle box, he intends to go fishing.
If a person is carrying a loaded automatic weapon, he intends to shoot someone.

If a person carries car insurance does that mean he intends on crashing?

If someone carries a pocket knife does that mean he intends to stab someone?

And just so you know he wasn't carry an automatic weapon. You might want to educate yourself a little about firearms before you comment about them.

[MDLNB]

[QUOTE=Rainger99;2028505]Let's get people on the record before the verdict comes in.
This is your prediction of what the jury will do - not what you want the jury to do.

The choices are

]Guilty on all counts
If a person is carrying a set of golf clubs ,he intends to play golf.
If a person is carrying a fishing pole and a tackle box, he intends to go fishing.
If a person is carrying a loaded automatic weapon, he intends to shoot someone.


What if a person is carrying a golf club to a riot?
He was not carrying an "automatic weapon." The proper term is Semi-automatic. Anyone that has ever held a firearm in their hands probably knows that.

Some of us have been carrying a concealed weapon for over 40 years and have yet to shoot someone. It's called "Self-Defense" when a person fires upon another to protect himself or another person. However, to give you a break I will concede that when I carry a firearm to the range, I intend on killing the heck out of a paper target.

To be honest with you, if I was intending on being a good Samaritan during a riot, I would not be carrying a fishing pole or a golf club for protection. And if it was me, I would hope to find another person foolish enough to cover my back so I would not get attacked from behind with a weapon; rock or skate board. A skate board can be used as a deadly weapon, as much as a golf club.

The young man had good intentions, but some scumbags decided that they were going to kill him. They said so. He was fleeing for his life when he was attacked and had to defend himself. Thank goodness for him that his aim was true.

[Bogie Shooter]

[QUOTE=Rainger99;2028505]Let's get people on the record before the verdict comes in.
This is your prediction of what the jury will do - not what you want the jury to do.

The choices are

]Guilty on all counts
If a person is carrying a set of golf clubs ,he intends to play golf.
If a person is carrying a fishing pole and a tackle box, he intends to go fishing.
If a person is carrying a loaded automatic weapon, he intends to shoot someone.

If a person carries car insurance does that mean he intends on crashing?

If someone carries a pocket knife does that mean he intends to stab someone?

And just so you know he wasn't carry an automatic weapon. You might want to educate yourself a little about firearms before you comment about them.

Shame, shame.....


Bob don't go against the party line on this issue.

[Kenswing]

Shame, shame.....


Bob don't go against the party line on this issue.
What party is that? This topic seems to be pretty equally represented from several different points of view. And if you clean up the quotes people will have an easier time knowing what you're talking about.

[JMintzer]

[QUOTE=santiagobob;2029606]



Shame, shame.....


Bob don't go against the party line on this issue.

Party line? You spelled "common sense" wrong...

[MDLNB]

So anyone can kill one or two people in a Walmart parking lot and claim that he was protecting property, What is this country coming too???


Was he in a Walmart parking lot and was he shooting to protect property or himself? Seems to me that he did not shoot anyone until they ran him down and assaulted him. I do not know the laws in WI regarding self-defense, but here in FL we have something called "stand your ground" or something like that. You are not required to flee for you life before defending it. If someone rushes you here with a weapon in their hand (skateboard, rock, etc.) you can defend yourself, even if it means using a firearm.

[manaboutown]

[QUOTE=Rainger99;2028505]Let's get people on the record before the verdict comes in.
This is your prediction of what the jury will do - not what you want the jury to do.

The choices are

]Guilty on all counts
If a person is carrying a set of golf clubs ,he intends to play golf.
If a person is carrying a fishing pole and a tackle box, he intends to go fishing.
If a person is carrying a loaded automatic weapon, he intends to shoot someone.

Looks like carrying a fire extinguisher to that riot was not a good idea. The arsonists did not want the fires they started put out (which is one of the things Rittenhouse was trying to do). I wonder why the thugs who attacked this 71 year old man have not been arrested and put on trial.

"An elderly man’s jaw was broken in a sickening caught-on-camera attack as he tried to protect a store that was eventually torched during the Kenosha protests, according to reports

The man — only identified as Robert and in his 70s — ran toward a mattress store where he works and used a fire extinguisher to chase away arsonists who broke in Monday night during protests over the police shooting of Jacob Blake, his bosses told Fox6.

“They just threw a bottle at this guy,” a woman filming a now-viral video complained — seconds before a man dressed all in black ran up and knocked him down with a punch to the head.

“No! No! No!” the videographer repeatedly cried as the senior collapsed to the ground, leaving a woman crying hysterically.

He was shown with blood all over the right side of his face as a small group raced to give first aid. “Turn his head … he’s drowning on his blood!” someone warned."

From: Elderly man defending store during Kenosha riots has jaw broken (https://nypost.com/2020/08/26/elderly-man-defending-store-during-kenosha-riots-has-jaw-broken/)

[Eg_cruz]

So anyone can kill one or two people in a Walmart parking lot and claim that he was protecting property, What is this country coming too???
Oh boy an other one who clearly has not watched the trail…….smh

[JSR22]

Well if you would watch the trail you would know. The night before the shooting, the rioters burn down private owned businesses. The car dealership lost $1.5M in cars on his lot. Kyle and a bunch of others were asked to help protect the other car lots the next day since the police department were defended and short handed and very busy with all the rioters (you know the ones out there just exercising the first amendment rights). Had the three thugs just protested and mind there own they would be here today. If you WATCH THE TRAIL you would know Kyle was out there helping his community from the violence that the rioters were causing.

I can not stress enough to you because your comments clearing show you have not watched any of the trail other then headline left news.

trial not trail. The police asked a 17 year old for help? If true the policeman should be fired.

[JSR22]

Oh boy an other one who clearly has not watched the trail…….smh

TRIAL not TRAIL!!!

[Number 10 GI]

TRIAL not TRAIL!!!

And you have never misspelled a word? Cheap shot!

[Eg_cruz]

trial not trail. The police asked a 17 year old for help? If true the policeman should be fired.
The owner of the lot ask Kyle friend and his friend ask him to join him. Which you would know if you actually watch the trial.

[Eg_cruz]

TRIAL not TRAIL!!!
Thank you….I would fix but you got it

[davem4616]

I stopped paying attention to these side shows when OJ got off

[Bogie Shooter]

[QUOTE=Bogie Shooter;2029619]

Party line? You spelled "common sense" wrong...

:what:
Where is “common sense”?

[JSR22]

i stopped paying attention to these side shows when oj got off

yup!

[JMintzer]

[QUOTE=JMintzer;2029622]

:what:
Where is “common sense”?

Sadly, lacking in many of these posts...

[Djean1981]

If he doesn't go to jail, he will have to change his name and appearance, to have any chance if a normal life.

[JMintzer]

Many of these posts illustrate the "Tell me you never watched the trial without telling me you never watched the trial" phenomena...

[JMintzer]

trial not trail. The police asked a 17 year old for help? If true the policeman should be fired.

He was asked by the dealership, not the police...

[JSR22]

He was asked by the dealership, not the police...

why would a dealership ask a 17 year old for protection?

[JMintzer]

why would a dealership ask a 17 year old for protection?

Because they asked his friend, who asked him to come along... They knew they couldn't depend on the police, so they were asking people they knew for help...

Really, all of this was covered in the trial testimony... It's not hard to find all of the answers to your questions...

[SkBlogW]

why would a dealership ask a 17 year old for protection?

That's a tough one. Maybe cause the "mostly peaceful" protesters were setting fire to buildings and 100s of cars and the police were busy elsewhere.

[MDLNB]

Well the gun possession violation charge is off the table, so if they consider self defense on any of the charges he may get off.

Interesting how the prosecutor said that the guy wasn't trying to take Rittenhouse's weapon, even though he got powder burns on his hand, where the bullet went through it. If he wasn't reaching for the gun, then how did he get a powder burn? Something to consider. The arsonist that first shot his pistol that scattered the crowd is a witness for the prosecutor, but the prosecutor said for the jury to disregard the fact that he is being charged with arson. Makes one wonder what the prosecutor is offering him for his testimony. They showed the video where the guy threw something at Rittenhouse and chased him, but the prosecutor says that does not give him the right to defend himself. Wow!
So far, if I was on the jury I would still say not guilty by reason of self-defense.
NOT GUILTY.

[Cybersprings]

I expect the punk to get off. I just wish he would be severely punished along with his mother.

And I wish I did not live among such ignorant hateful people. I have seen every minute of the trial and watched every second of the video. A young man who was brave enough to go out and help his community while the rioters (whom you remain silent about) destroy the city and threaten and attack anyone who dare try to hinder their violence and destruction. He wouldn't have been there if our leaders would have done their jobs and stopped the violence. And what exactly did his mother do? I am guessing you only watch main stream media lies and think she drove him there. Don't know the facts and yet still so self assured spewing hatred. So many of the commenters with this cr*p should be ashamed of themselves. We need a generation that will truly attempt to help like he did and few of you who want to crucify that ones who are trying to help.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

[QUOTE=Rainger99;2028505]Let's get people on the record before the verdict comes in.
This is your prediction of what the jury will do - not what you want the jury to do.

The choices are

]Guilty on all counts
If a person is carrying a set of golf clubs ,he intends to play golf.
If a person is carrying a fishing pole and a tackle box, he intends to go fishing.
If a person is carrying a loaded automatic weapon, he intends to shoot someone.

First of all it was not an automatic weapon.

A better analogy is that a person who wears a seatbelt does not expect to get into an accident.

Millions of law abiding US citizens carry a loaded gun every day. That does not mean that they intend to shoot someone. What it means is that they are ready, willing and able to defend themselves and those around them if the need arises.

[Cybersprings]

[QUOTE=Rainger99;2028505]Let's get people on the record before the verdict comes in.
This is your prediction of what the jury will do - not what you want the jury to do.

The choices are

]Guilty on all counts
If a person is carrying a set of golf clubs ,he intends to play golf.
If a person is carrying a fishing pole and a tackle box, he intends to go fishing.
If a person is carrying a loaded automatic weapon, he intends to shoot someone.

Looks like someone is trying to prove a total lack of reasoning ability. Successful.
Are you claiming that all of the other people carrying weapons that night were just unsuccessful in their attempt to kill people? I'm guessing anyone with a weapon should be charged with attempted homicide for anyone around them. They intended to kill everyone, just didn't. How some people are able to tie there shoes in the morning and get through the day really escapes me.

[Cybersprings]

I wonder what gives a young man of this age the right to think he can carry a gun and shoot people. What a really messed up world this has become. This will probably turn into another Federal case when the families of the deceased sue him privately afterward.

What is truly sad is that you aren't aware that the Bill of Rights gives this young man the right to carry a gun, and the laws of the state affirm his inalienable right to self defense. I wonder what you would do if someone attacked you.

[Bonnevie]

Probably the same reason the US government invites 17 year olds to serve in the military.

yes, but they aren't allowed in combat until they are 18. and one also assumes that the military trains the person in the proper use of force.

[C. C. Rider]

Why would anyone want to harm these peaceful, non-violent protestors?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1297891564472000513

https://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Kenosha-Riot-e1598280622185.jpg

:ohdear:

[Cybersprings]

it's called OPAC (optional protocol on the involvement of children in armed conflict) and: The United States ratified OPAC with a declaration (as required under Art. 3(2) of the treaty) stating its minimum age for voluntary recruitment would remain at 17. To meet its obligations, each branch of the armed services implemented new orders excluding 17-year-olds from combat, a move considered by some to be the first instance of the United States materially altering military practices to support new international human rights obligations.

here's a website that shows a Marine memo about it (I assume other branches has something similar) 17 YEAR OLD MARINES IN COMBAT > United States Marine Corps Flagship > Messages Display (https://www.marines.mil/News/Messages/Messages-Display/Article/894107/17-year-old-marines-in-combat/)

so tell me again how I make things up?????

From your cited website: " TAKING ALL FEASIBLE MEASURES TO ENSURE MARINES UNDER 18 YEARS OF AGE DO NOT TAKE PART IN HOSTILITIES SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO UNDULY INTERFERE WITH THE COMMANDER'S PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY OF MISSION ACCOMPLISHMENT."

[Bonnevie]

From your cited website: " TAKING ALL FEASIBLE MEASURES TO ENSURE MARINES UNDER 18 YEARS OF AGE DO NOT TAKE PART IN HOSTILITIES SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO UNDULY INTERFERE WITH THE COMMANDER'S PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY OF MISSION ACCOMPLISHMENT."

You have to read it all to see the context of what you strategically quoted as your "proof" that I make things up.

THIS PROTOCAL STATES PARTIES SHALL
TAKE ALL FEASIBLE MEASURES TO ENSURE THAT MEMBERS OF THEIR ARMED
FORCES WHO HAVE NOT ATTAINED THE AGE OF 18 YEARS DO NOT TAKE A
DIRECT PART IN HOSTILITIES.
THE COMMANDER SHOULD WEIGH THE MISSION REQUIREMENTS AGAINST
THE PRACTICABILITY OF DIVERTING 17 YEAR OLD MARINES FROM COMBAT.
FACTORS TO CONSIDER MAY INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO: THE
TACTICAL SITUATION; THE MANPOWER NEEDS OF THE UNIT; THE DANGER TO
THE SERVICEMEMBER; THE IMPACT ON UNIT COHESION IF THE SERVICEMEMBER
WERE TO BE REMOVED FROM THE UNIT; THE REASONABLE ABILITY OF THE UNIT
TO EXCLUDE THE 17 YEAR OLD MARINE FROM TAKING DIRECT PART IN
HOSTILITES; AND ANY OTHER RELEVANT CRITERION.

so only in very defined circumstances would a 17 year old be allowed in combat. I suspect if they are only 17, they aren't even sent to combat zones to avoid such a situation but I have no proof of that.

[Love2Swim]

And I wish I did not live among such ignorant hateful people. I have seen every minute of the trial and watched every second of the video. A young man who was brave enough to go out and help his community while the rioters (whom you remain silent about) destroy the city and threaten and attack anyone who dare try to hinder their violence and destruction. He wouldn't have been there if our leaders would have done their jobs and stopped the violence. And what exactly did his mother do? I am guessing you only watch main stream media lies and think she drove him there. Don't know the facts and yet still so self assured spewing hatred. So many of the commenters with this cr*p should be ashamed of themselves. We need a generation that will truly attempt to help like he did and few of you who want to crucify that ones who are trying to help.

I wish I did not live with ignorant people who post such hateful comments about other TOTV posters.

[spd2918]

yes, but they aren't allowed in combat until they are 18. and one also assumes that the military trains the person in the proper use of force.

You are incorrect. One may, as I did, join the Army at 17 with a parental waiver.

I carried a M16 without the intention of killing anyone.

[MDLNB]

yes, but they aren't allowed in combat until they are 18. and one also assumes that the military trains the person in the proper use of force.


Now, but not in 1968 or any time before 2003. And this doesn't really matter that much anyway, other than diverting from the REAL point of this incident.....self-defense. Although, I just call it trash removal and being a good citizen. Need more young people to take a stand against dirtbags in this country. I call it patriotism. Some think that getting a vaccination is patriotic, but I consider what this young man did to be a real good deed for the community. No one will miss them, probably not even their families.

[SkBlogW]

Here's Rittenhouse trial prosecutor showing a complete lack of gun safety knowledge by picking up Kyle's AR 15 and waving it around the courtroom with his finger on the trigger.

Like Baldwin, he did not check the chamber to see if loaded, just trusted the guy who handed it to him.

91551

[Bonnevie]

You are incorrect. One may, as I did, join the Army at 17 with a parental waiver.

I carried a M16 without the intention of killing anyone.

yes, at one time it was done. but as stated previously:

The United States ratified OPAC with a declaration (as required under Art. 3(2) of the treaty) stating its minimum age for voluntary recruitment would remain at 17. To meet its obligations, each branch of the armed services implemented new orders excluding 17-year-olds from combat, a move considered by some to be the first instance of the United States materially altering military practices to support new international human rights obligations.

[DAVES]

So nice of you to describe someone you don't know that way...

Sadly, there is no shortage of people that facts and reality simply do not matter.
Similar posts that it is freedom of speech for that INSANE Ed followed a lady home in his golf cart.

[holger danske]

Fortunately he is not 19. We don't need a murderer living with us. That would be an awful scenario having him here.

So now we await the jury's verdict.
How about another poll?

Who would you rather have living next to you in the Villages

1 Kyle Rittenhouse - the 17yo shooter and his mother
2 Joseph Rosenbaum- the demented child molester who refused to take his psychic meds and asked multiple people to kill him
3 Anthony Huber the talented skateboarder who once held a knife to his brother's throat and threatened to gut him like a pig and then burn down his home with his family in it
4 Gaige Grosskreutz- People's Revolution Movement activist who was caught videotaping police officers private vehicles 3 days before a black police officer was assaulted by other members of the PRM.
5 Bruce Schroeder- Trial judge and lover of "God Bless the USA" ringtone
6 Thomas Binger- inept Kenosha Assistant District Attorney
7 Tony Evers- Wisconsin gov who refused to call in the National Guard after 2 nights of rioting, arson and mayhem, thus precipitating Rittenhouse's appearance on the street

[manaboutown]

So now we await the jury's verdict.
How about another poll?

Who would you rather have living next to you in the Villages

1 Kyle Rittenhouse - the 17yo shooter and his mother
2 Joseph Rosenbaum- the demented child molester who refused to take his psychic meds and asked multiple people to kill him
3 Anthony Huber the talented skateboarder who once held a knife to his brother's throat and threatened to gut him like a pig and then burn down his home with his family in it
4 Gaige Grosskreutz- People's Revolution Movement activist who was caught videotaping police officers private vehicles 3 days before a black police officer was assaulted by other members of the PRM.
5 Bruce Schroeder- Trial judge and lover of "God Bless the USA" ringtone
6 Thomas Binger- inept Kenosha Assistant District Attorney
7 Tony Evers- Wisconsin gov who refused to call in the National Guard after 2 nights of rioting, arson and mayhem, thus precipitating Rittenhouse's appearance on the street

Or this guy? BREAKING: '''Jump Kick Man''' who attacked Kyle Rittenhouse identified as violent career criminal | The Post Millennial (https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-jump-kick-man-who-attacked-kyle-rittenhouse-identified-as-violent-career-criminal?utm_campaign=64474&fbclid=IwAR2XS5puVWdVVbqHRzLjbR75EMfuxSs3hDkc7s-hPv15h68zJ-BqBXn4dWE)