Rittenhouse verdict

[Byte1]

NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!! :clap2::clap2::clap2:

[skyking]

I watched most of the testimony and agree with the jury.

[John41]

NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!! :clap2::clap2::clap2:

I agree with not guilty on all counts. Prosecutor needs to be sanctioned for violating defendants rights and pointing a gun at the jury. Watched a lot of the testimony rather than getting media bias. Great day for 2a.

[DeanFL]

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Justice was done. IMO, the vast majority of those truly observing and getting all the evidence and testimony would have made the same decision - as did the JURY of his peers IN THE COURTROOM.

Many Media sources apparently DID NOT cover the proceedings in a neutral fashion, and some biased coverage did not truthfully include much of the Defense. So, I can see how some, watching only those sources, may feel the verdict is wrong.

Let's see what prevails in Kenosha and across the country tonight and the next few days. IF behavior is anything but peaceful...SHAME!
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[Velvet]

I would be interested in knowing if the prosecutor always uses those highly aggressive tactics or was it only in this case? It looked to me that he was mostly responsible for the verdict, or at least would have been if I was on the jury.

[Stu from NYC]

Hopefully everyone will accept the verdict and peace will prevail.

[manaboutown]

HIP, HIP, HOORAY!!!! Great news!!!

What a relief! Justice has been served. Even through the jurors, judge and their families were threatened with violence and death they carried on and bravely did the right thing.

Now Kyle can sue the MSM as Nick did!

It is just too bad he missed the violent thug, Maurice Freeland, who kicked Kyle in the head while he was lying on his back defenseless except for his rifle.

[billethkid]

The special interest groups will be there to make their position known....bricks, bottles, fire bombs in a space less than 1/4 the size of a football field.

The media will focus in tight and present it as a mass demonstration.....to which the politicians and special interest groups will pour as much fuel on it as possible.

The other 98.9% of us will be going about our business which most certainly will not be news worthy!!!

[dewilson58]

Hopefully the town will learn something from this and start putting an early halt on rioting instead of coddling those cretins. None of those involved had any skin in the demonstrations and just wanted to create chaos and destroy. It is pathetic when a citizen attempts to or has to protect the town because the authorities are too scared of political repercussion.


Agree. Too many cities turn into a Seattle.

[manaboutown]

The jurors in Kenosha have spoken- Kyle Rittenhouse is not guilty on ALL COUNTS.
Based upon the trial and transcripts, IMO this was the correct verdict. Moving forward, I would also hope that Rittenhouse can take a breath before moving forward with multiple lawsuits for the shameless allegations of guilt and elements of the event (proven wrong during the trial) made with certitude by MSM, as well as those private citizens who made public comments to MSM suggesting that Rittenhouse was aligned with white supremacy. Certainly MSM has a documented history of grossly misrepresenting facts to fit a narrative, and clearly they have not stepped back, even after the report of out of court settlements in the Sandman lawsuits. The attorneys will have a field day with malicious intent, and that clearly a 250 million dollar lawsuit (we don't know the settlement agreement), did not dissuade MSM from once again attacking and misrepresenting the facts.

The prosecutors should also face consequences for the multiple events of prosecutorial misconduct witnessed during the trial. Either they are grossly incompetent, or may, as some have suggested, been trying to get a mistrial to avoid this verdict.

Congratulations to the jurors for not listening to the mob, but for reviewing the testimony and facts and making their decision accordingly.

Well said! :agree:

[gatorbill1]

Probably would not have even gone to a jury trial in Florida. Remember our stand your ground law here.

[ThirdOfFive]

I watched most of the testimony and agree with the jury.
Whether we agree with the verdict or not, it is important to remember that no one here was on that jury. We weren't privy to the deliberations. And it is a given that none of felt anything even close to the pressure they must have felt.

It is important to remember as well that none of this was spur-of-the-moment. This jury deliberated for the better part of four days before delivering their verdict. I think we can assume with confidence that justice was done.

Whether or not we agree with the verdict is, in the end, superfluous. What I hope we all CAN agree on though is that, even with it's flaws, America still has the best justice system on the planet.

[manaboutown]

Probably would not have even gone to a jury trial in Florida. Remember our stand your ground law here.

Should not gave gone to trial anywhere. It was clearly self defense.

[MDLNB]

chalk one up for the good guys.

[Bonnevie]

Chalk one up for the good guys.

Unfortunately, that "good guy" will have to live with the fact he killed two people and seriously injured another because he wanted to play hero. it was a bad situation for a teenager to put himself in, and even if it was self-defense, people died and were injured because he went there.

that being said, I think most people accept the jury's verdict because we are a nation of laws supposedly.

[manaboutown]

Unfortunately, that "good guy" will have to live with the fact he killed two people and seriously injured another because he wanted to play hero. it was a bad situation for a teenager to put himself in, and even if it was self-defense, people died and were injured because he went there.

that being said, I think most people accept the jury's verdict because we are a nation of laws supposedly.

In self defense he killed two violent thugs who attacked him. If he had not had the rifle to protect himself he would be dead.

[Velvet]

Or… the others would not have died or got injured if THEY have not been there… works both ways. Hindsight is 20/20.

[manaboutown]

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[Trayderjoe]

Unfortunately, that "good guy" will have to live with the fact he killed two people and seriously injured another because he wanted to play hero. it was a bad situation for a teenager to put himself in, and even if it was self-defense, people died and were injured because he went there.

that being said, I think most people accept the jury's verdict because we are a nation of laws supposedly.

Wow....

Still no condemnation for the people who had no business being in Kenosha rioting and destroying private property. (Rittenhouse does have family and friends who lived there-how many of the rioters can say that?)

Still no condemnation for the FOUR ADULTS who attacked Rittenhouse (don't forget "yellow pants", the FELON who kicked Rittenhouse in the face), putting his life in jeopardy.

Still no condemnation for MSM for the deliberate misrepresentation of the facts.

Recognizing that for some, there is no room to admit that maybe, to put it politely, they were misinformed, they would rather still refer to being a "supposedly" country of laws. In effect, that statement ignores the PROOF presented at trial. IMO, that thinking is COUNTER to the rule of law.

[DAVES]

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Justice was done. IMO, the vast majority of those truly observing and getting all the evidence and testimony would have made the same decision - as did the JURY of his peers IN THE COURTROOM.

Many Media sources apparently DID NOT cover the proceedings in a neutral fashion, and some biased coverage did not truthfully include much of the Defense. So, I can see how some, watching only those sources, may feel the verdict is wrong.

Let's see what prevails in Kenosha and across the country tonight and the next few days. IF behavior is anything but peaceful...SHAME!
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We will now see our population and it will be a diverse reaction. On one side Rittenhouse will be made VERY wealthy with all that SHOULD BE sued. One the other side RIOTS.

[DAVES]

Should not gave gone to trial anywhere. It was clearly self defense.

As I've said before, there is right, there is wrong and then there is our legal system.

Coincidence? It took the jury almost a week to find Rittenhouse not guilty. The verdict on friday. All three shot have records as being criminals. The police were close by, they didn't hear the shots? Or did they chose not to hear the shots?

It had to go to trial. Trial by riot. I hope I will be surprised by our people, by our news people and our leaders.

[Trayderjoe]

Well said! :agree:

So the post you referenced was originally in a different thread I started in Current Events, prior to this thread being moved to Current Events, and my thread was initially consolidated into this thread. No problem. Not sure why now that initial post was removed from the thread all together. There were no political comments and no misstatement of facts, nor name calling. I agree that as a private "board" they can set the rules, but it sure would help if they explained what rule was violated that necessitated the post being removed?

[Bonnevie]

Wow....

Still no condemnation for the people who had no business being in Kenosha rioting and destroying private property. (Rittenhouse does have family and friends who lived there-how many of the rioters can say that?)

Still no condemnation for the FOUR ADULTS who attacked Rittenhouse (don't forget "yellow pants", the FELON who kicked Rittenhouse in the face), putting his life in jeopardy.

Still no condemnation for MSM for the deliberate misrepresentation of the facts.

Recognizing that for some, there is no room to admit that maybe, to put it politely, they were misinformed, they would rather still refer to being a "supposedly" country of laws. In effect, that statement ignores the PROOF presented at trial. IMO, that thinking is COUNTER to the rule of law.

this is what drives me nuts. I simply pointed out it will have an effect on him for killing people and that I personally don't feel a 17 year old should have been there, if he were my son he never would have been. YOU assume I condone the rioting????

I don't agree with the rioting. the people he killed were not model citizens. some of those who attacked him, believed him to be an active shooter and were trying to prevent more shots. that's the problem when non-police are walking around with guns.

I don't routinely go to MSN for news so I can't speak to whether they were biased. I would guess that the people that have shows lie Rachel, Joy, Ari, just like Tucker, Sean, Laura et al, would be protected because they are considered opinion shows. or in the case of Tucker, a court decreed no reasonable person would believe what he says.

that was the reason for the trial....so the facts could come out. the jury decided it was self defense. isn't that what trials are for?

I guess he could sue the city for bringing the charges but frankly, he should take the win and do something positive with the rest of his life.

[tophcfa]

Not surprised at all. Poor judgement is not against the law and everyone has the right to defend themselves when the situation warrants it.

[JMintzer]

this is what drives me nuts. I simply pointed out it will have an effect on him for killing people and that I personally don't feel a 17 year old should have been there, if he were my son he never would have been. YOU assume I condone the rioting????

I don't agree with the rioting. the people he killed were not model citizens. some of those who attacked him, believed him to be an active shooter and were trying to prevent more shots. that's the problem when non-police are walking around with guns.

I don't routinely go to MSN for news so I can't speak to whether they were biased. I would guess that the people that have shows lie Rachel, Joy, Ari, just like Tucker, Sean, Laura et al, would be protected because they are considered opinion shows. or in the case of Tucker, a court decreed no reasonable person would believe what he says.

that was the reason for the trial....so the facts could come out. the jury decided it was self defense. isn't that what trials are for?

I guess he could sue the city for bringing the charges but frankly, he should take the win and do something positive with the rest of his life.

The "active shooter" narrative was a hail Mary pass, added by the prosecution, at the last minute... No one testified to that...

[holger danske]

I agree with not guilty on all counts. Prosecutor needs to be sanctioned for violating defendants rights and pointing a gun at the jury. Watched a lot of the testimony rather than getting media bias. Great day for 2a.

In a perfect world ADA T Claire Binger and his sidekick ADA Lunchbox should be required to hand over Kyle's AR-15 to him in court. After they restore the sight they removed for their little courtroom Baldwin imitation.

[Trayderjoe]

this is what drives me nuts. I simply pointed out it will have an effect on him for killing people and that I personally don't feel a 17 year old should have been there, if he were my son he never would have been. YOU assume I condone the rioting????

I don't agree with the rioting. the people he killed were not model citizens. some of those who attacked him, believed him to be an active shooter and were trying to prevent more shots. that's the problem when non-police are walking around with guns.

I don't routinely go to MSN for news so I can't speak to whether they were biased. I would guess that the people that have shows lie Rachel, Joy, Ari, just like Tucker, Sean, Laura et al, would be protected because they are considered opinion shows. or in the case of Tucker, a court decreed no reasonable person would believe what he says.

that was the reason for the trial....so the facts could come out. the jury decided it was self defense. isn't that what trials are for?

I guess he could sue the city for bringing the charges but frankly, he should take the win and do something positive with the rest of his life.

Actually I never said that the rioting was condoned, but that it was not condemned. I similarly pointed out that there was no condemnation of the adults that attacked Rittenhouse, nor was there condemnation for the MSM that reported misinformation as facts, such that other posters on TOTV repeated those "facts" in their attacks on Rittenhouse.

However, I did see posts inferring that Rittenhouse was "flashing the "OK" sign — a gesture that has been co-opted by known white supremacist groups (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/2028503-post89.html)", and that "he was awaiting trial for killing people at a Black Lives Matter protest....he was there illegally carrying a weapon now he was again breaking the law by drinking in a bar (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/2028585-post111.html)"

So apparently up until the cited post above, it was a protest (not a riot) and the weapon was illegal, which turned out to be.....an incorrect statement that was made in advance of the trial and the facts of the trial.

As far as MSM being "protected" from lawsuit, two different media outlets that I know of, settled out of court in the Sandman case. Sandman, and now Rittenhouse, were NOT public figures and my understanding is that as such, there is a different standard the media can be held to in their "reporting".

[skyking]

The two dead people should not have been there either.

[Papa_lecki]

And away we go again.. :popcorn:

What's the over/under on this thread making it until midnight?

About as long as a thread about how COVID cases in Florida have dropped

[billlaur]

WHAT A GLORIOUS DAY.......:clap2::a040::bigbow::boom:

[kcrazorbackfan]

NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!! :clap2::clap2::clap2:

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[Eg_cruz]

I agree with not guilty on all counts. Prosecutor needs to be sanctioned for violating defendants rights and pointing a gun at the jury. Watched a lot of the testimony rather than getting media bias. Great day for 2a.
It is sad that two men lost their lives that day but I am relieved that he was found not guilty.
I pray for his future, he has a tall mountain to climb.

[MandoMan]

NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!! :clap2::clap2::clap2:

“The prosecution struggled to refute Mr. Rittenhouse’s central argument: that he had feared for his life when he was chased by Mr. Rosenbaum, a man who had been captured on video throughout the evening shouting threats and racial epithets and — according to Mr. Rittenhouse and a witness called by the prosecution — had promised to kill Mr. Rittenhouse if he found him alone. Mr. Rosenbaum had been released that day from a hospital where he had received psychiatric care and was treated for bipolar disorder and depression, testimony showed.”
“When Mr. Huber gave chase and swung a skateboard at the head of Mr. Rittenhouse, who had fallen down, Mr. Rittenhouse shot Mr. Huber in the chest. Mr. Grosskreutz continued to approach, he said in his testimony, first with his gun pointed in the air, then in the direction of Mr. Rittenhouse. “I was never trying to kill the defendant,” he said. “In that moment, I was trying to preserve my own life.””
Quotes from the Saturday New York Times. Sure sounds like self-defense to me. Correct verdict, even though he was a fool to be there at all, much less carrying a gun.

I wonder what the lawyer’s fees will be. A million? It may take the kid the rest of his life to pay it. Maybe his parents will have to sell the farm.

[Eg_cruz]

Unfortunately, that "good guy" will have to live with the fact he killed two people and seriously injured another because he wanted to play hero. it was a bad situation for a teenager to put himself in, and even if it was self-defense, people died and were injured because he went there.

that being said, I think most people accept the jury's verdict because we are a nation of laws supposedly.
True, I feel awful for him. He is in PTSD counseling to help him move forward. This young man has a heavy load to carry, I glad he knows this and has been getting help.
I could not image the daily pain he suffers.

[noslices1]

MSNBC & CNN should also be “sanctioned” for their coverage of the trial. Even after the verdict they only interviewed people who disagreed with the verdict and agreed with them that he was guilty. MSNBC was actually kicked out of the courtroom because of the actions of one of their producers. Both channels are not real NEWS channels, just liberal opinion channels.

[Oneiric]

NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!! :clap2::clap2::clap2:

Not sure I understand the BLM protests to this trial. They can't wait to kill each other in major cities and there were no blacks killed or shot in this case?

[thevillages2013]

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Justice was done. IMO, the vast majority of those truly observing and getting all the evidence and testimony would have made the same decision - as did the JURY of his peers IN THE COURTROOM.

Many Media sources apparently DID NOT cover the proceedings in a neutral fashion, and some biased coverage did not truthfully include much of the Defense. So, I can see how some, watching only those sources, may feel the verdict is wrong.

Let's see what prevails in Kenosha and across the country tonight and the next few days. IF behavior is anything but peaceful...SHAME!
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If there were a thousand Kyles standing around with AR-15’s I’m betting any protest would be peaceful

[Ptmckiou]

If there were a thousand Kyles standing around with AR-15’s I’m betting any protest would be peaceful

You would be assuming that only one side had AR-15’s. That wouldn’t be reality. Both sides always have access to guns, and thus the reason things can go sideways fast in argumentative situations. Vigilantism rarely harbors peace, but usually antagonizes the situation because uneducated (in law enforcement) hotheads seem to fuel/escalate situations, instead of de escalate situations (which usually takes training).

[GOLFER54]

SADLY, Now the protest and violence will begin.

[Nannyof3]

Hopefully everyone will accept the verdict and peace will prevail.
It's been over a year for another "verdict" and everyone has not accepted, nor has peace prevailed.

[ThirdOfFive]

“The prosecution struggled to refute Mr. Rittenhouse’s central argument: that he had feared for his life when he was chased by Mr. Rosenbaum, a man who had been captured on video throughout the evening shouting threats and racial epithets and — according to Mr. Rittenhouse and a witness called by the prosecution — had promised to kill Mr. Rittenhouse if he found him alone. Mr. Rosenbaum had been released that day from a hospital where he had received psychiatric care and was treated for bipolar disorder and depression, testimony showed.”
“When Mr. Huber gave chase and swung a skateboard at the head of Mr. Rittenhouse, who had fallen down, Mr. Rittenhouse shot Mr. Huber in the chest. Mr. Grosskreutz continued to approach, he said in his testimony, first with his gun pointed in the air, then in the direction of Mr. Rittenhouse. “I was never trying to kill the defendant,” he said. “In that moment, I was trying to preserve my own life.””
Quotes from the Saturday New York Times. Sure sounds like self-defense to me. Correct verdict, even though he was a fool to be there at all, much less carrying a gun.

I wonder what the lawyer’s fees will be. A million? It may take the kid the rest of his life to pay it. Maybe his parents will have to sell the farm.
Nope. Rittenhouse had been given over $2 million dollars in donations from people sympathetic to him. Whatever is left in that account after his attorneys are paid, plus more (I am assuming) if needed, would go to pay for representation if the Federal government has any intention of pursuing a case against him. Although prevailing wisdom said that that won't happen.

I would be surprised if it did. Aside from the fact that any case on the part of the feds would be super-flimsy, Rittenhouse would undoubtedly be represented by the best legal minds in the country. I doubt that the federal government would pursue anything if they knew they'd end up looking foolish.

[rsmurano]

Agree. Too many cities turn into a Seattle.

You can add: Portland, San Francisco, LA, NYC, Atlanta and many others

[B-flat]

Not sure I understand the BLM protests to this trial. They can't wait to kill each other in major cities and there were no blacks killed or shot in this case?

I’ve been wondering the same thing.

[Pupiczech]

not guilty on all counts!! :clap2::clap2::clap2:

he murdered two people. He should get the death penalty.

[JMintzer]

“The prosecution struggled to refute Mr. Rittenhouse’s central argument: that he had feared for his life when he was chased by Mr. Rosenbaum, a man who had been captured on video throughout the evening shouting threats and racial epithets and — according to Mr. Rittenhouse and a witness called by the prosecution — had promised to kill Mr. Rittenhouse if he found him alone. Mr. Rosenbaum had been released that day from a hospital where he had received psychiatric care and was treated for bipolar disorder and depression, testimony showed.”
“When Mr. Huber gave chase and swung a skateboard at the head of Mr. Rittenhouse, who had fallen down, Mr. Rittenhouse shot Mr. Huber in the chest. Mr. Grosskreutz continued to approach, he said in his testimony, first with his gun pointed in the air, then in the direction of Mr. Rittenhouse. “I was never trying to kill the defendant,” he said. “In that moment, I was trying to preserve my own life.””
Quotes from the Saturday New York Times. Sure sounds like self-defense to me. Correct verdict, even though he was a fool to be there at all, much less carrying a gun.

I wonder what the lawyer’s fees will be. A million? It may take the kid the rest of his life to pay it. Maybe his parents will have to sell the farm.

There were several legal funds set up to which people donated. I believe his head lawyer said one of the funds raised over $500K...

[WesMan]

NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!! :clap2::clap2::clap2:
Great News, the fake news reporters lost this one!!!!

[DAVES]

I would be interested in knowing if the prosecutor always uses those highly aggressive tactics or was it only in this case? It looked to me that he was mostly responsible for the verdict, or at least would have been if I was on the jury.

We need to understand a prosecutor a defending attorney both go to law school to learn to argue both sides of the same issue depending on who or what is paying them.

In fact several in the course of a career have changed roles. This case was clearly a major national issue. We had the right to bear arms and race combined in this case. Plus the press another national issue taking sides.

As I predicted we now have RIOTS and an issue being used as an excuse to steal.

[JMintzer]

Gofundme removed Kyle's fundraiser and refunded the monies donated.

There were other sources...

But it really bothers me that "GoFundMe" picks and chooses whom they deem suitable...

[Bonnevie]

The "active shooter" narrative was a hail Mary pass, added by the prosecution, at the last minute... No one testified to that...

Really???

KENOSHA, Wis., Nov 8 (Reuters) - The only protester shot by Kyle Rittenhouse to survive testified on Monday that he believed the U.S. teenager was an "active shooter" and was trying to disarm Rittenhouse when a bullet from the teen's semi-automatic rifle severed part of his arm.

[WesMan]

The special interest groups will be there to make their position known....bricks, bottles, fire bombs in a space less than 1/4 the size of a football field.

The media will focus in tight and present it as a mass demonstration.....to which the politicians and special interest groups will pour as much fuel on it as possible.

The other 98.9% of us will be going about our business which most certainly will not be news worthy!!!
Correct!!!!!!!!!!

[ThirdOfFive]

And here is another person that paid no attention to this case and doesn't believe it was self-defense based on the words in your post. He wasn't there to play hero and the 3 people shot - in self-defense - all tried to attack him and all of them were criminals, one a pedophile convicted of raping 5 children. The world is a better place because Kyle successfully defended himself.
I can’t help but wonder if we are not seeing the forest for the trees here. Kyle Rittenhouse is one person. There are two dead people and one seriously wounded one as a result of what happened that night. So we focus on that—and by so doing, in my opinion, are completely missing the big picture here.

It has been said that in America, when the law won't, or can't, keep the peace, then the average citizen will step in and see to it that peace is kept. The focus on the Rittenhouse trial has been--rightfully--on Rittenhouse: what he did, and whether or not he had legal culpability for his actions. But we need to look beyond that, to the organization he was with, why they were there and focused on keeping the peace, and keeping the rioters away from private property. The reason is simple and yet profound: it happened because in August of 2020 Kenosha suffered through several days of rioting, arson and looting, and the authorities there at the time were either unable (or not allowed) to employ sufficient force to control the situation.

Kenosha was being patrolled the night of the Rittenhouse incident, not so much by the cops (who were not making much of a difference in controlling things), but by armed men making a visible presence. I guarantee we'd not have heard a word about it, had their presence alone been enough to keep the rioters at bay. But things got out of hand and people died. Regrettable, for a variety of reasons. But let's not overlook the intent, on both sides. Those armed men were there because they were not willing to see their city continue to suffer violence and vandalism. THAT is the real issue here.

It is far from new. NPR, on June 10 of this year in an article by Nate Hegyi, described a like incident in Missoula, Montana, regarding one of those George Floyd "protests". About 200 obviously armed citizens showed up at the rally. It didn't make the news because their appearance had the desired effect: things remained peaceful. As one of the armed men said, they were not there to squelch protests, but to ensure that it remained peaceful. Hard to see how anyone can argue with that.

It happened in the sleepy little Southern MN town where I lived before leaving Minnesota, about an hour from Ground Zero where the George Floyd riots had caused so much destruction. Word got out that a protest was to be held in our town the one of the days immediately following the George Floyd protests in the Twin Cities. Sure enough, several vanloads of protesters arrived early the next morning, waving signs and chanting slogans. But another group, not attached to the main group but affiliated with them, had planned on a smash-and-grab at a local store that sold guns. A lot of guns. Only the citizenry heard of it ahead of time, and when they arrived to do their mischief they found a parking lot full of obviously armed men. Those planning to do the smash-and-grab showed good sense and left immediately. The main body of protesters, in like fashion, recognized early on that the police were not the only people with guns ringing their demonstration, and so they kept things peaceful, staying in the area allotted to them by police. They were noisy and profane, but the kept it where it was supposed to be kept.

Again, this is a lot more common than we think. A group calling itself "Everytown Research and Policy" stated that "Between January 2020 and June 2021, there were more than 30,000 public demonstrations in the US. Of those, at least 560 demonstrations included the presence of an armed individual, other than law enforcement." I'm not sure where they got their numbers but I have no reason to doubt them. If anything though I think that the ratio is a lot closer than 30,000 to 560. We hear about what happened with Kyle Rittenhouse and the group he was part of. We don't hear about the ones where the mere presence of armed men was enough to keep the rioters in check, although in my estimation those incidents are equally newsworthy. "We Push For Peace", the group that Kyle Rittenhouse was a part of, that group in Missoula, Montana, and many more...they are out there, and they ARE making a difference—only, of course, the MSM never tells us about the ones that end peacefully.

The Rittenhouse trial is over. But the reasons it happened in the first place still exist. We need to stop fixating on one man, and start figuring out ways to prevent the causes. Because until we do, I guarantee that there will be many more Kyle Rittenhouses.

[JMintzer]

he murdered two people. He should get the death penalty.

How someone says "I didn't watch the trial" without saying "I didn't watch the trial"...

[Cliff Fr]

IMO this is really the fault of the City of Kenosha. Rioting often produces these type of tragedy's. By failing to put down the trouble makers the City allowed this to happen.

[WesMan]

he murdered two people. He should get the death penalty.
not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Proveone]

I agree with not guilty on all counts. Prosecutor needs to be sanctioned for violating defendants rights and pointing a gun at the jury. Watched a lot of the testimony rather than getting media bias. Great day for 2a.
Dumb, Dumb, Dumb! Seventeen year old, with illegal gun carry (someone else bought the gun for him), crossing State lines, killing unarmed people, and instigating conflict. If he were black/brown you would be "whistling" a different tune. Hope all the ViCTIMS sue the Hell out of him and the Kenosha police.

[DeanFL]

Dumb, Dumb, Dumb! Seventeen year old, with illegal gun carry (someone else bought the gun for him), crossing State lines, killing unarmed people, and instigating conflict. If he were black/brown you would be "whistling" a different tune. Hope all the ViCTIMS sue the Hell out of him and the Kenosha police.

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Did you watch the trial? Where do you get your information re the facts from the trial?
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[nn0wheremann]

Well intentioned 17 yo child who exercised poor judgement with sad results. He should have been handled as a juvenile, then we would not have had a spectacle, and he might have received the counseling he needs. Now he’s a hero with a target on his back. But he’ll get a movie deal out of it.

[MDLNB]

IMO this is really the fault of the City of Kenosha. Rioting often produces these type of tragedy's. By failing to put down the trouble makers the City allowed this to happen.


The only "tragedy" here is the fact that it went to court. Intentionally or not, Rittenhouse did the world a favor by taking out the trash when law enforcement couldn't. :clap2:

[Ele201]

NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!! :clap2::clap2::clap2: I guess justice was served and Kyle was lawfully defending his own life. I wasn’t there, was not on the jury, but I respect the process and accept the verdict.

One thing I strongly disagree with are violent protests — of any kind. The constitution states that citizens have a right to Peaceful assembly. Nothing mentioned there about looting stores, tearing a placard from the hands of a protester you don’t agree with, or bringing Any type of weapon with you as you protest. So nowadays, when you take to the streets, you may be facing grave danger.

[JMintzer]

Really???

KENOSHA, Wis., Nov 8 (Reuters) - The only protester shot by Kyle Rittenhouse to survive testified on Monday that he believed the U.S. teenager was an "active shooter" and was trying to disarm Rittenhouse when a bullet from the teen's semi-automatic rifle severed part of his arm.

He also testified that Rittenhouse lowered his weapon when he raised his hands and only shot him when he advanced and pointed the gun at Rittenhouse's head... So there's that...

That is then the prosecutor did his, now famous, "face palm"...

Gaige Grosskreutz Admits Rittenhouse Shot Him Because He Pointed a Gun at Him #RittenhouseTrial - YouTube (https://youtu.be/2a_arwYa2Zw)

http://www.amerika.org/wp-content/uploads/rittenhouse_lawyer_facepalm-800x625.jpg

And here is the testimony of Mr Grosskruetz, regarding that he "inferred" there was an "active shooter"... He testified he only saw Rittenhouse shoot after he was on the ground and being attacked. Not very compelling...

Kyle Rittenhouse trial: Shooting survivor thought Rittenhouse "was an active shooter" - YouTube (https://youtu.be/cddUOwm22yM)

Plus, there is ZERO video evidence (and there are multiple views) of Rittenhouse "racking" his weapon...

[Blackbird45]

If you agree with the verdict or not what sane person goes into a volatile situation with or without a firearm and expects a wonderful outcome.

[MrFlorida]

Finally a jury got it right !

[MDLNB]

If you agree with the verdict or not what sane person goes into a volatile situation with or without a firearm and expects a wonderful outcome.


You mean like our military does when they are deployed? I guess some folks feel that everyone should cower in their homes as the mob destroys their city. That would be "sane?"

[JMintzer]

Dumb, Dumb, Dumb! Seventeen year old, with illegal gun carry (someone else bought the gun for him), crossing State lines, killing unarmed people, and instigating conflict. If he were black/brown you would be "whistling" a different tune. Hope all the ViCTIMS sue the Hell out of him and the Kenosha police.

He never crossed state lines with the gun.

He actually traveled abut a third of the distance to Kenosha than Mr Grosskreutz did...

A skateboard can and has been used as a deadly weapon.

But sure, bring race into a white kid shooting other white people...

[DaleDivine]

Dumb, Dumb, Dumb! Seventeen year old, with illegal gun carry (someone else bought the gun for him), crossing State lines, killing unarmed people, and instigating conflict. If he were black/brown you would be "whistling" a different tune. Hope all the ViCTIMS sue the Hell out of him and the Kenosha police.


Originally Posted by byte1 View Post
not guilty on all counts!! :clap2::clap2::clap2:

Justice has prevailed... And I hope he SUES the hell out of all that wrongfully accused him...
:bigbow::bigbow:

[Petersweeney]

The prosecutor had an agenda too bad he graduated last in his class……

[Blackbird45]

If you agree with the verdict or not what sane person goes into a volatile situation with or without a firearm and think this might not go very bad. I believe this young man has other issues.

[Taltarzac725]

If you agree with the verdict or not what sane person goes into a volatile situation with or without a firearm and expects a wonderful outcome.

He did go there dressed to kill. The prosecutor did not prove his case beyond a reasonable doubt about whether this was in fact not self-defense but murder.

The burden was not met.

[JMintzer]

People also ignore the fact that he gave his ballistic vest to his friend.

Why would someone, who is hell bent on shooting people, give up his protection?

Oh, I know! It's because he stated he was going out to provide medical assistance and didn't think he would need it...

[jrandall]

I watched most of the testimony and agree with the jury.

Me too

[DAVES]

Actually I never said that the rioting was condoned, but that it was not condemned. I similarly pointed out that there was no condemnation of the adults that attacked Rittenhouse, nor was there condemnation for the MSM that reported misinformation as facts, such that other posters on TOTV repeated those "facts" in their attacks on Rittenhouse.

However, I did see posts inferring that Rittenhouse was "flashing the "OK" sign — a gesture that has been co-opted by known white supremacist groups (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/2028503-post89.html)", and that "he was awaiting trial for killing people at a Black Lives Matter protest....he was there illegally carrying a weapon now he was again breaking the law by drinking in a bar (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/2028585-post111.html)"

So apparently up until the cited post above, it was a protest (not a riot) and the weapon was illegal, which turned out to be.....an incorrect statement that was made in advance of the trial and the facts of the trial.

As far as MSM being "protected" from lawsuit, two different media outlets that I know of, settled out of court in the Sandman case. Sandman, and now Rittenhouse, were NOT public figures and my understanding is that as such, there is a different standard the media can be held to in their "reporting".

There is no reasoning with a closed mind.

"A protest not a riot," Martin Luther King proved that PEACEFUL PROTESTS can be done.
It takes GREAT leadership to keep a group from becoming a mob. The videos show clearly the three shot were attacking Rittenhouse. Their previous records show all three have a history.

As far as Sandman and the DAMAGE MONEY HE WAS PAID. The case was settled because both parties agreed to the negotiated settlement. That is actually common practice. The press decided it was in THEIR best interest to settle. Were their a trial,
their past history would be reported. It would be lengthy, trial of press bias.

Rittenhouse perhaps more of an issue, we have right to bear arms, we have race, we have our leaders commenting, perhaps, causing fueling the now RIOTS and perhaps not mentioned by many the POLICE ACTION or lack there of. Will the, sure to be, suit for DAMAGES be settled out of court that is a choice that will be made by BOTH parties. My opinion, the posts show clearly that we will never, agree on, right to RIOT, right to bear arms, race, or the right of press BIAS. All have been issues throughout HISTORY. Any attempt at SETTLEMENTS will not be accepted by all. That in itself is part of the problem.

Both the second amendment and the first amendment-no national religion, right assemble, freedom of speech are very broad and are tempered by case law. There are no shortage of legal conflicts. The right to bear arms does not include all arms. Contrary to our biased press you cannot own an ASSAULT WEAPON which is by definition an automatic weapon. Freedom of speech, does not include RIOT. The Rittenhouse trial will be a major legal precedent.
You more clearly have the right to defend your life with lethal force. A protest does not allow you to attack others.

[Taltarzac725]

There is no reasoning with a closed mind.

"A protest not a riot," Martin Luther King proved that PEACEFUL PROTESTS can be done.
It takes GREAT leadership to keep a group from becoming a mob. The videos show clearly the three shot were attacking Rittenhouse. Their previous records show all three have a history.

As far as Sandman and the DAMAGE MONEY HE WAS PAID. The case was settled because both parties agreed to the negotiated settlement. That is actually common practice. The press decided it was in THEIR best interest to settle. Were their a trial,
their past history would be reported. It would be lengthy, trial of press bias.

Rittenhouse perhaps more of an issue, we have right to bear arms, we have race, we have our leaders commenting, perhaps, causing fueling the now RIOTS and perhaps not mentioned by many the POLICE ACTION or lack there of. Will the, sure to be, suit for DAMAGES be settled out of court that is a choice that will be made by BOTH parties. My opinion, the posts show clearly that we will never, agree on, right to RIOT, right to bear arms, race, or the right of press BIAS. All have been issues throughout HISTORY. Any attempt at SETTLEMENTS will not be accepted by all. That in itself is part of the problem.

Both the second amendment and the first amendment-no national religion, right assemble, freedom of speech are very broad and are tempered by case law. There are no shortage of legal conflicts. The right to bear arms does not include all arms. Contrary to our biased press you cannot own an ASSAULT WEAPON which is by definition an automatic weapon. Freedom of speech, does not include RIOT. The Rittenhouse trial will be a major legal precedent.
You more clearly have the right to defend your life with lethal force. A protest does not allow you to attack others.

That is not how legal precedent works. Google it. Precedent | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/precedent)

With legal precedent you usually mean cases from Federal high courts like the US Supreme Court and Courts of Appeals. And then those from State Supreme Courts.

[ThirdOfFive]

he murdered two people. He should get the death penalty.
This was a State case, tried in Wisconsin.

Wisconsin does not have the death penalty.

[ThirdOfFive]

There were other sources...

But it really bothers me that "GoFundMe" picks and chooses whom they deem suitable...
GoFundMe may have been involved at first but is legal fees were donated by a foundation. See the following:

"The money was collected by a Texas nonprofit called the #FightBack Foundation, founded by John Pierce and L. Lin Wood." (Courtesy of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, 11/20/21)

[DAVES]

That is not how legal precedent works. Google it. Precedent | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/precedent)

With legal precedent you usually mean cases from Federal high courts like the US Supreme Court and Courts of Appeals. And then those from State Supreme Courts.

As I've said many times-there is right there is wrong, there is legal. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME. I do not have a high opinion of attorneys. They go to school to argue both sides of the same issue depending on who or what is putting coin their slot. I've dealt with them.

As far as what should have been done in this case, the press should not have shown their obvious BIAS, our politicians should not have shown their BIAS, the police should have prevented this but typically were told NOT TO.

There is a vast difference between sitting in your office AND BEING THERE.

[DAVES]

This was a State case, tried in Wisconsin.

Wisconsin does not have the death penalty.



We can and do tie things in a knot to support our point of view. We all do that.

The death penalty is obviously another complex issue issue that people will not agree on.
We think, we expect, we demand PERFECT-it does not exist.

[Johnsocat]

As I've said before, there is right, there is wrong and then there is our legal system.

Coincidence? It took the jury almost a week to find Rittenhouse not guilty. The verdict on friday. All three shot have records as being criminals. The police were close by, they didn't hear the shots? Or did they chose not to hear the shots?

It had to go to trial. Trial by riot. I hope I will be surprised by our people, by our news people and our leaders.

I would argue that they are not our "leaders", they are our "representatives" and our "public servants".

[sparky4840]

MSNBC & CNN should also be “sanctioned” for their coverage of the trial. Even after the verdict they only interviewed people who disagreed with the verdict and agreed with them that he was guilty. MSNBC was actually kicked out of the courtroom because of the actions of one of their producers. Both channels are not real NEWS channels, just liberal opinion channels.

I'm sure Fox was unbiased, correct?

[MDLNB]

I'm sure Fox was unbiased, correct?


Perhaps not, BUT they did get it right...........:clap2:

[MDLNB]

I would argue that they are not our "leaders", they are our "representatives" and our "public servants".


Unfortunately, some do not understand that.

[PugMom]

Whether we agree with the verdict or not, it is important to remember that no one here was on that jury. We weren't privy to the deliberations. And it is a given that none of felt anything even close to the pressure they must have felt.

It is important to remember as well that none of this was spur-of-the-moment. This jury deliberated for the better part of four days before delivering their verdict. I think we can assume with confidence that justice was done.

Whether or not we agree with the verdict is, in the end, superfluous. What I hope we all CAN agree on though is that, even with it's flaws, America still has the best justice system on the planet.

your comment deserves a standing ovation, :bigbow:

[PugMom]

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Did you watch the trial? Where do you get your information re the facts from the trial?
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ikr, can be so infuriating @ times

[manaboutown]

Really???

KENOSHA, Wis., Nov 8 (Reuters) - The only protester shot by Kyle Rittenhouse to survive testified on Monday that he believed the U.S. teenager was an "active shooter" and was trying to disarm Rittenhouse when a bullet from the teen's semi-automatic rifle severed part of his arm.

He is of course a lying thug. He has even hit his grandmother in the face. Sole survivor of Rittenhouse shootings has criminal past: report (https://nypost.com/2021/11/15/sole-survivor-of-rittenhouse-shootings-has-criminal-past-report/)

[MDLNB]

He is of course a lying thug. He has even hit his grandmother in the face. Sole survivor of Rittenhouse shootings has criminal past: report (https://nypost.com/2021/11/15/sole-survivor-of-rittenhouse-shootings-has-criminal-past-report/)


Ah, but we all know that he would not lie in court, especially if that lie was instrumental in getting a plea deal on his charge of carrying a pistol with an expired license. :shocked:

[manaboutown]

He did go there dressed to kill. The prosecutor did not prove his case beyond a reasonable doubt about whether this was in fact not self-defense but murder.

The burden was not met.

He was asked to go and protect property, and was armed to protect the property and himself from violent rioters, looters and arsonists. Turns out he needed that rifle or he would now be dead at the hands of violent thugs with lengthy criminal records.

[Speedie]

Sad for everyone involved. No winners

[collie1228]

A great example of everyone needing to verify what the read in the paper or see on TV news before believing it. The untruths coming from every side is breathtaking.

[ThirdOfFive]

Sad for everyone involved. No winners
I disagree. The winners here are those who believe in law and order. I can guarantee you that those rioters are going to think twice the next time, if they think they have carte blanche to burn, loot and destroy.

[Bruce3055]

He was asked to go and protect property, and was armed to protect the property and himself from violent rioters, looters and arsonists. Turns out he needed that rifle or he would now be dead at the hands of violent thugs with lengthy criminal records.

Wow! I had no idea others without weapons were killed "at the hands of violent thugs"
How many were killed?? Do you think everyone should carry weapons in the future?

[Win1894]

Sad for everyone involved. No winners

While there were plenty of losers - the corrupt prosecutor, the MSM, Rosenbaum, and Huber to name a few. There were winners - the 2nd A, Rittenhouse, and the right to self defense.

[petiteone]

State law made the difference to the defense of Kyle. We're a gun crazy society. I pray for our country.

[unialimon]

Great news. Just when I was starting to give up hope for USA.

[holger danske]

Ah, but we all know that he would not lie in court, especially if that lie was instrumental in getting a plea deal on his charge of carrying a pistol with an expired license. :shocked:

He even lied about that. His license wasn't expired it had been suspended because of his earlier dui.
"Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

[manaboutown]

Wow! I had no idea others without weapons were killed "at the hands of violent thugs"
How many were killed?? Do you think everyone should carry weapons in the future?

Appropriate Sentence Might Have Kept Arizona Child Molester From Being Killed In Rittenhouse’s Self-Defense – Arizona Daily Independent (https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2021/11/19/appropriate-sentence-might-have-kept-arizona-child-molester-from-being-killed-in-rittenhouses-self-defense/)

Joseph Rosenbaum & Anthony Huber Criminal Records Explored (https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/2021/03/12/kenosha-shooting/)

[kathyspear]

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[DAVES]

Probably would not have even gone to a jury trial in Florida. Remember our stand your ground law here.

Beware of UNDERSTANDING stand your ground law.

I recently attended a home defense course from a self declared expert. I hope never to find out. He suggested you call the police on your cell phone, they will record as it is happening. You should not say you have a gun, you demand that they leave, if there is one person and they are NOT ARMED you cannot chose to shoot them. Several people invading your home which is 93%? of the time since you are clearly out numbered even if they are not armed you can shoot.

I did ask. According to the expert SELF DEFENSE AMMO, which by the way is outlawed in combat by the Geneva convention, has yet to be used as premeditated murder.

I doubt any event will be simply dismissed in today's REALITY.

Oh you are truly at a disadvantage in REALITY. A criminal is not concerned that you just had your place painted, spent a fortune on carpet or whatever AND YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE MESS AND IF YOU MISS THE BULLET WILL GO OUT YOUR WINDOW ETC.

May none of us experience REALITY.

I AM NOT AN ATTY-WHAT I SAY IS MY OPINON-BUT DAVES SAYS WILL BE LAUGHED OUT OF COURT

[Johnsocat]

State law made the difference to the defense of Kyle. We're a gun crazy society. I pray for our country.

Yes, state law revealed that Rittenhouse did NOT break the law in carrying that particular weapon.
Personally, I thank God every day for our bill of rights to include our 2nd ammendment. I pray also that we never have to use our abundance of personally owned weapons that are currently in the hands of our "gun crazy society" to fight an enemy on our own soil. I pray that if we ever do, you will be willing (and able) to fight by that society's side for our freedom.

[DAVES]

Wow! I had no idea others without weapons were killed "at the hands of violent thugs"
How many were killed?? Do you think everyone should carry weapons in the future?


Should everyone carry a weapon. Endless debate with no clear answers. In Florida it is fairly easy to get a carry permit. You would be surprised how many little grandmothers
are carrying guns and are deadly shots.

It seems to me, perhaps my BIAS, the places with the tightest gun control laws also have the highest crime rates and people shot-New York, Chicago, Los Angeles.

Gun sales are way up. I've read 40% are first time gun owners. In a sense it is like driving and 40% of the drivers just got their license. TEASING but we might be surprised at so many drivers using turn signals etc.

REALITY, no matter what the law is or is changed to, criminals do not follow the law.

[DAVES]

Yes, state law revealed that Rittenhouse did NOT break the law in carrying that particular weapon.
Personally, I thank God every day for our bill of rights to include our 2nd ammendment. I pray also that we never have to use our abundance of personally owned weapons that are currently in the hands of our "gun crazy society" to fight an enemy on our own soil. I pray that if we ever do, you will be willing (and able) to fight by that society's side for our freedom.

I support the right to own a gun. However the reality is you being able to fight an enemy on our own soil is not REALITY. Average age in the villages is 70. My knees, my back are both shot. You cannot LEGALLY own typical automatic combat weapons. You cannot for example own a 50 cal machine gun. Heck if you did own one the bullets are like $1.50 each. A tank, a canon, jets etc.

Should we ever be invaded by a FOREIGN ENEMY, they would likely not care about a bunch or 70 year olds in the Villages. A DOMESTIC ENEMY is far more likely.

[Taltarzac725]

I know a gun loving woman who years ago here in the Villages heard a noise in her bedroom, grabbed her .38 and put a hole in her vacuum which had shifted its weight while in her bedroom's closet.

I do worry about our trigger finger happy gun culture.

I support the right to own a gun. However the reality is you being able to fight an enemy on our own soil is not REALITY. Average age in the villages is 70. My knees, my back are both shot. You cannot LEGALLY own typical automatic combat weapons. You cannot for example own a 50 cal machine gun. Heck if you did own one the bullets are like $1.50 each. A tank, a canon, jets etc.

Should we ever be invaded by a FOREIGN ENEMY, they would likely not care about a bunch or 70 year olds in the Villages. A DOMESTIC ENEMY is far more likely.

[tklloop]

The two dead people should not have been there either.
Let’s ask them why they were there?? Oh wait we can’t,, the were murdered!!!

[Taltarzac725]

Let’s ask them why they were there?? Oh wait we can’t,, the were murdered!!!

The kid who killed them will probably have a very hard time dealing with this once the hoopla machine goes onto something else.

[tklloop]

NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!! :clap2::clap2::clap2:

I have one question. If a 16 year old boy had not crossed state lines with an ASSAULT RIFLE and placed himself in a dangerous and volatile situation,,, would any of this happened???? NO! Kiel Rottenhouse was guilty as hell!!

[noslices1]

Dumb, Dumb, Dumb! Seventeen year old, with illegal gun carry (someone else bought the gun for him), crossing State lines, killing unarmed people, and instigating conflict. If he were black/brown you would be "whistling" a different tune. Hope all the ViCTIMS sue the Hell out of him and the Kenosha police.

You need a better news source.

[Kenswing]

I have one question. If a 16 year old boy had not crossed state lines with an ASSAULT RIFLE and placed himself in a dangerous and volatile situation,,, would any of this happened???? NO! Kiel Rottenhouse was guilty as hell!!

Everything you just posted is incorrect. You might want to learn some facts before making yourself look so...... incorrect.

[manaboutown]

I have one question. If a 16 year old boy had not crossed state lines with an ASSAULT RIFLE and placed himself in a dangerous and volatile situation,,, would any of this happened???? NO! Kiel Rottenhouse was guilty as hell!!

This statement is inaccurate from beginning to end. The FACTS came out in the trial. The MSM and some public figures smeared Kyle, omitted and buried essential information essentially misrepresenting the whole situation from start to finish. This continues for that matter. Is that where this nonsense came from?

[Cheryl Barrios]

Unfortunately, that "good guy" will have to live with the fact he killed two people and seriously injured another because he wanted to play hero. it was a bad situation for a teenager to put himself in, and even if it was self-defense, people died and were injured because he went there.

that being said, I think most people accept the jury's verdict because we are a nation of laws supposedly.

You are correct in that the "good guy" will have to live with the fact that two people forced him to defend himself and as a result they lost their lives and a third one did the same when he pulled a gun on Kyle, aiming it at his head, forcing him to take defensive action again. It is not easy dealing with the fact that you simply injure someone by shooting them - you live with it every single day. You not only live with your own actions but the actions of the others who were intending to kill you. You "what if" every single day - what if I died?, what if I was injured severely (couldn't walk, suffered a brain injury, and more)?, what would have happened if those people had never forced me to shoot them?

However, I don't think he wanted to "play hero" when he was forced to defend himself. He was there to help. He did all types of things to benefit a community that was being destroyed. And all of those thugs and criminals only worked to destroy everything - oh, yeah, and to steal things. He was a good kid. He made a decision that most young people never would have made and those who were minors there were probably there to destroy the city, the businesses, the business owners, and the people who didn't kiss their butts in their thinking. They chose to die or get injured. They could have not approached him. They could have chosen to stay at home. They could have chosen not to assault him or bring their guns. But the two who died and the one who was injured because of each of their actions, chose to go for the destruction and everything else - they were all very well acquainted with victimizing people.

We are a nation of laws and within our laws we can defend ourselves, thank God. Everyone should realize that we never want that right lost with the others we are on the verge of losing.

[manaboutown]

The kid who killed them will probably have a very hard time dealing with this once the hoopla machine goes onto something else.

...killed them in self defense...

[Stu from NYC]

I have one question. If a 16 year old boy had not crossed state lines with an ASSAULT RIFLE and placed himself in a dangerous and volatile situation,,, would any of this happened???? NO! Kiel Rottenhouse was guilty as hell!!

You might want to read a bit what actually happened before making comments like this.

BTW was the looting and destruction ok?

[Taltarzac725]

...killed them in self defense...

How Wisconsin'''s self-defense law ensured Kyle Rittenhouse'''s acquittal (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wisconsins-self-defense-law-ensured-kyle-rittenhouses-acquittal-rcna6178)

Sort of in self-defense. This case will be tied closely to its facts. I do not see others trying to use this as a model winning on their own unique set of facts.

[tklloop]

You might want to read a bit what actually happened before making comments like this.

BTW was the looting and destruction ok?

So,, what really happened,,, I mean you obviously have all “your” facts! BTW,, Fox fake news is not a credible news source,,,,, it’s been proven numerous times in court. You may want to read up on this before making spaces out comments!

[tklloop]

You need a better news source.

Sounds like they nailed it! You have proven documented facts to dispute these??

[Bonnevie]

[QUOTE=Cheryl Barrios;2031812]You are correct in that the "good guy" will have to live with the fact that two people forced him to defend himself and as a result they lost their lives and a third one did the same when he pulled a gun on Kyle, aiming it at his head, forcing him to take defensive action again. It is not easy dealing with the fact that you simply injure someone by shooting them - you live with it every single day. You not only live with your own actions but the actions of the others who were intending to kill you. You "what if" every single day - what if I died?, what if I was injured severely (couldn't walk, suffered a brain injury, and more)?, what would have happened if those people had never forced me to shoot them

However, I don't think he wanted to "play hero" when he was forced to defend himself. He was there to help. He did all types of things to benefit a community that was being destroyed. And all of those thugs and criminals only worked to destroy everything - oh, yeah, and to steal things. He was a good kid. He made a decision that most young people never would have made and those who were minors there were probably there to destroy the city, the businesses, the business owners, and the people who didn't kiss their butts in their thinking. They chose to die or get injured. They could have not approached him. They could have chosen to stay at home. They could have chosen not to assault him or bring their guns. But the two who died and the one who was injured because of each of their actions, chose to go for the destruction and everything else - they were all very well acquainted with victimizing people.

We are a nation of laws and within our laws we can defend ourselves, thank God. Everyone should realize that we never want that right lost with the others we are on the verge of losing.[/QUOTE

Guess what? All those what ifs Kyle might have to live with wouldn't exist if he realized he was out of his depth and stayed home. Of course, rioting is wrong. but living in a country with so called "militia" can appoint themselves as the police is third world stuff. You want to keep your rights but have no problem with armed militias? it's fine as long as they think like you I guess.

I don't remember reading what the people who were killed were destroying at the time he killed them. the first threw a plastic bag at him, the second and third got involved because they thought he was an active shooter and they wanted to prevent any more shootings. the third actually had paramedic supplies and was there to provide help....he was lucky he had a tourniquet. and he was the only one who had a gun.

yes, they were not model citizens, but Kyle didn't know that at the time. Mental health seemed to be involved in two of them.

we really don't know who initiated contact...

as to other rights we are on the verge of losing??? pray tell what are they? there seems to be concerted effort to restrict voting for groups that might not meet your criteria as being worthy. Mandates and masks are seen as affronts to people's rights instead of public health measures to end a pandemic....and if anyone here tries to express a view different from the prevailing one, they are told they can leave.

[tklloop]

This statement is inaccurate from beginning to end. The FACTS came out in the trial. The MSM and some public figures smeared Kyle, omitted and buried essential information essentially misrepresenting the whole situation from start to finish. This continues for that matter. Is that where this nonsense came from?

You stated a lot of your misinformation you believe in,,, but have not discredited any of the facts?? Was he 16?? Did he cross state lines?? did he carry and Assault rifle?? Did he put himself into a dangerous situation he wasn’t trained for?? You may want to wtch a REAL news outlet.

[Kenswing]

You may want to turn off Fox fake news and join the real world!

FACT: he was 16 when this happened!
FACT: he traveled from Illinois to Wisconsin!
FACT: he carried and AR-15 assault rifle.
FACT: he murdered two innocent people who thought he was an “active shooter”!

Know the facts before you respond and make yourself look,,,,, trumpy?
FACT: He was 17 at the time of the shooting.
FACT: You inferred that he carried the AR-15 across state lines. He did not.
FACT: He carried an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle. Not an "Assault" rifle.
FACT: The jury determined that he shot and killed two criminals with violent pasts in self defense.

And I'm sure that "Trumpy" comment may get you in a bit of trouble.. :1rotfl:

[DAVES]

Whether we agree with the verdict or not, it is important to remember that no one here was on that jury. We weren't privy to the deliberations. And it is a given that none of felt anything even close to the pressure they must have felt.

It is important to remember as well that none of this was spur-of-the-moment. This jury deliberated for the better part of four days before delivering their verdict. I think we can assume with confidence that justice was done.

Whether or not we agree with the verdict is, in the end, superfluous. What I hope we all CAN agree on though is that, even with it's flaws, America still has the best justice system on the planet.

I am not qualified for my opinion. For me the English system has merit. As I understand it, you appear before a judge not a jury. If, you launch a case and you lose you pay the expenses of the falsely accused. The United States has far more attorneys per capita and far fewer cases as well. Cause and effect?

[DAVES]

this is what drives me nuts. I simply pointed out it will have an effect on him for killing people and that I personally don't feel a 17 year old should have been there, if he were my son he never would have been. YOU assume I condone the rioting????

I don't agree with the rioting. the people he killed were not model citizens. some of those who attacked him, believed him to be an active shooter and were trying to prevent more shots. that's the problem when non-police are walking around with guns.

I don't routinely go to MSN for news so I can't speak to whether they were biased. I would guess that the people that have shows lie Rachel, Joy, Ari, just like Tucker, Sean, Laura et al, would be protected because they are considered opinion shows. or in the case of Tucker, a court decreed no reasonable person would believe what he says.

that was the reason for the trial....so the facts could come out. the jury decided it was self defense. isn't that what trials are for?

I guess he could sue the city for bringing the charges but frankly, he should take the win and do something positive with the rest of his life.

Police? Am I the only one to ask where were the police? As I expect they were told not to get involved. Facts? Nothing is simple. As to suits, he will be made very wealthy. There is no shortage of people who caused this one is our President and far as I know he can't be sued.

[JMintzer]

I'm sure Fox was unbiased, correct?

They were the only network to show the trial IN IT'S ENTIRETY....


MSNBC only showed the prosecution's closing argument, not the defense. Gee... I wonder why?

[JMintzer]

Ah, but we all know that he would not lie in court, especially if that lie was instrumental in getting a plea deal on his charge of carrying a pistol with an expired license. :shocked:

Not expired, revoked...

[JMintzer]

Wow! I had no idea others without weapons were killed "at the hands of violent thugs"
How many were killed?? Do you think everyone should carry weapons in the future?

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[DAVES]

You would be assuming that only one side had AR-15’s. That wouldn’t be reality. Both sides always have access to guns, and thus the reason things can go sideways fast in argumentative situations. Vigilantism rarely harbors peace, but usually antagonizes the situation because uneducated (in law enforcement) hotheads seem to fuel/escalate situations, instead of de escalate situations (which usually takes training).

RE: Training
Am I the only one to wonder where were the police? Apparently close by as after the shooting he was WALKING to the police station.

[JMintzer]

I support the right to own a gun. However the reality is you being able to fight an enemy on our own soil is not REALITY. Average age in the villages is 70. My knees, my back are both shot. You cannot LEGALLY own typical automatic combat weapons. You cannot for example own a 50 cal machine gun. Heck if you did own one the bullets are like $1.50 each. A tank, a canon, jets etc.

Should we ever be invaded by a FOREIGN ENEMY, they would likely not care about a bunch or 70 year olds in the Villages. A DOMESTIC ENEMY is far more likely.

Just picking nits, but yes, you most certainly CAN own a typical automatic combat weapon...

And the number of deer hunters in PA alone would be larger than all but a few country's standing armies... Now add Wisconsin, Michigan, etc, etc, etc and you have one of, if not the largest number of armed people in the world...

All it takes is the proper Tax Stamp and paperwork (plus loads of $$$). Feeding them, otoh, is quite expensive...

[thevillages2013]

You would be assuming that only one side had AR-15’s. That wouldn’t be reality. Both sides always have access to guns, and thus the reason things can go sideways fast in argumentative situations. Vigilantism rarely harbors peace, but usually antagonizes the situation because uneducated (in law enforcement) hotheads seem to fuel/escalate situations, instead of de escalate situations (which usually takes training).

Not assuming anything. Kyle was a good shot

[JMintzer]

Let’s ask them why they were there?? Oh wait we can’t,, the were murdered!!!

Not according to the jury...

[thevillages2013]

RE: Training
Am I the only one to wonder where were the police? Apparently close by as after the shooting he was WALKING to the police station.

The police station he went to first was boarded up in prep for the riots

[JMintzer]

I have one question. If a 16 year old boy had not crossed state lines with an ASSAULT RIFLE and placed himself in a dangerous and volatile situation,,, would any of this happened???? NO! Kiel Rottenhouse was guilty as hell!!

Good thing that didn't happen... But you would have known that if you had actually watched the trial...

[noslices1]

Sounds like they nailed it! You have proven documented facts to dispute these??

You should have watched the trial, then maybe you would not post the trash that you did. Kyle was 17 years old, not 16. Your other statements came right from MSNBC. They are still saying he is guilty, even though a jury, after 25 hours of deliberation, has rendered a NOT GUILTY verdict.

Arguing with a fool will make me a fool also, so I’m done.

[JMintzer]

Sounds like they nailed it! You have proven documented facts to dispute these??

Yes, actually watching the trial (which it is glaringly obvious you did not...)

[Holpat39]

You may want to turn off Fox fake news and join the real world!

FACT: he was 16 when this happened!
FACT: he traveled from Illinois to Wisconsin!
FACT: he carried and AR-15 assault rifle.
FACT: he murdered two innocent people who thought he was an “active shooter”!

Know the facts before you respond and make yourself look,,,,, trumpy?

Your so called facts are wrong. You don't know the demographics of Antioch IL and Kenosha Wis. They border each other. Kyle's father lives in Kenosha. Kyle had every right to be in Kenosha as unfortunately the rioters also had the right to be in Kenosha since this is a free country and we all have the right to travel where we want without interference. The two killed were not innocent people. They were there to commit mayhem and destruction not to protect businesses or protest peacefully. Maybe you should have watched the trial from beginning to end before stating your untrue facts.

[DAVES]

I would argue that they are not our "leaders", they are our "representatives" and our "public servants".

Some will argue about anything anything. THEY is a very large group. For the point what does it matter?

[DAVES]

I'm sure Fox was unbiased, correct?

Fortunately we have choices. With it being so easy to do, record say CNN and watch FOX
on the same story.

[JMintzer]

Some interesting FACTS many people seem to want to ignore...

1: Kyle Rittenhouse had a ballistic vest (they called it "body armor" in the trial, but it's really just the same soft vest the police use)...

He was given the vest by the police when he did his police cadet program...

He gave said body armor to a friend, saying he didn't need it because he was leaving the car dealership to give medical aid. Now, why would someone give up their protection if they thought they were going out "looking for trouble"?

2: Yes, Kyle Rittenhouse did travel about 17 mile from Antioch to Kenosha. It's a trip he made almost daily, for his job as a lifeguard and to visit his father and several other relatives. It is less than the distance from TV to Ocala...

3: He did not bring a rifle of any kind with him. It was already in Kenosha, where it was bought, and stored at his friend's house...

It was legal for him, per state law, to carry said rifle. The prosecution never bothered to measure the rifle before charging him with a crime...

4: Gaige Grosskreutz traveled over 50 miles to attend the "mostly peaceful protest"... He DID bring his illegally carried handgun with him. Odd for someone just looking to be an EMT, no?

5: Rittenhouse did not "illegally drink" in a bar. Per state law, he was allowed to have said drink as long as he was with a parent or guardian (which he was)...

6: Zero, I repeat ZERO evidence was produced proving he was involved in ANY "white supremacy" groups. He voluntarily handed over his unlocked phone to the police, as well as access to his social media accounts...

Anyone who watched the trial would know these things. Anyone who depended on certain "news" outlets would not and would continue to parrot the lies they are still being told...

[DAVES]

Ah, but we all know that he would not lie in court, especially if that lie was instrumental in getting a plea deal on his charge of carrying a pistol with an expired license. :shocked:

Lie in court, Reality people are told, trained by legal representatives how to SPIN their testimony. They are rarely prosecuted for lying You swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. You can bet they will not allow you the time necessary to tell the whole truth.

You swear on the bible. Perhaps that had more meaning in the past. What you are stating is that if you lie you will be damned.

[DAVES]

I disagree. The winners here are those who believe in law and order. I can guarantee you that those rioters are going to think twice the next time, if they think they have carte blanche to burn, loot and destroy.

Hopeful but doubtful. Historically at a hanging or a guillotining, pickpockets were very active.

[kenoc7]

I agree with not guilty on all counts. Prosecutor needs to be sanctioned for violating defendants rights and pointing a gun at the jury. Watched a lot of the testimony rather than getting media bias. Great day for 2a.
The person that needed to be sanctioned was the biased and bigoted judge who allowed vigilantism to win.

[JMintzer]

The person that needed to be sanctioned was the biased and bigoted judge who allowed vigilantism to win.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[DAVES]

Everything you just posted is incorrect. You might want to learn some facts before making yourself look so...... incorrect.

For many OBVIOUSLY facts do not matter. They have a point of view and will select and spin reality to support their point of view.

Read the posts, people screaming kill the ................... and the same people screaming about vigilantly justice being wrong. They are simply blind to their conflicting opinion.

[DAVES]

Just picking nits, but yes, you most certainly CAN own a typical automatic combat weapon...

And the number of deer hunters in PA alone would be larger than all but a few country's standing armies... Now add Wisconsin, Michigan, etc, etc, etc and you have one of, if not the largest number of armed people in the world...

All it takes is the proper Tax Stamp and paperwork (plus loads of $$$). Feeding them, otoh, is quite expensive...

As you state nitpicking. Try to get a permit-fat chance. I need it for rabbit hunting?
I hear zombies are coming?

[MDLNB]

I know a gun loving woman who years ago here in the Villages heard a noise in her bedroom, grabbed her .38 and put a hole in her vacuum which had shifted its weight while in her bedroom's closet.

I do worry about our trigger finger happy gun culture.


GOOD SHOT!! Even I would probably miss hitting the culprit hiding in the closet....:1rotfl:

[manaboutown]

You stated a lot of your misinformation you believe in,,, but have not discredited any of the facts?? Was he 16?? Did he cross state lines?? did he carry and Assault rifle?? Did he put himself into a dangerous situation he wasn’t trained for?? You may want to wtch a REAL news outlet.

He was 17. His father lived in Kenosha. The business he was asked to defend was in Kenosha. He spent a lot of time there. Assault rifle? It was a semiautomatic AR-15. He knew how to use it and did so in self defense when attacked. He was viciously attacked by thugs with long violent criminal histories, one of whom had threatened to kill Kyle.

Watch the trial and a real news outlet like FOX, not the propaganda organs known as the MSM to get the facts.

[manaboutown]

The person that needed to be sanctioned was the biased and bigoted judge who allowed vigilantism to win.

The judge was fair and unbiased in every respect!

[MDLNB]

The person that needed to be sanctioned was the biased and bigoted judge who allowed vigilantism to win.


Yes, I am so glad that occasionally we get a judge "biased" toward statutory law and real justice. Although, it would have been nice to see him throw the prosecutor out of his court over the violations of the law that the prosecutor perpetrated. But, it all worked out for the good guys in the end.

[Curtisbwp]

Outstanding

[Carole clausen]

Whites killing each other. Interesting twist.

[Carole clausen]

Whites killing whites. Interesting.

[Number 10 GI]

I support the right to own a gun. However the reality is you being able to fight an enemy on our own soil is not REALITY. Average age in the villages is 70. My knees, my back are both shot. You cannot LEGALLY own typical automatic combat weapons. You cannot for example own a 50 cal machine gun. Heck if you did own one the bullets are like $1.50 each. A tank, a canon, jets etc.

Should we ever be invaded by a FOREIGN ENEMY, they would likely not care about a bunch or 70 year olds in the Villages. A DOMESTIC ENEMY is far more likely.

You can purchase and own a fully automatic firearm, after you pay your fees for the extensive background checks and the license. Just have a lot of money because fully automatic firearms are extremely expensive as there is a limited number of them allowed by federal law. Yes you can own a 50 cal machine gun, just have a lot of discretionary money to lay out for it and the ammo. Actually the ammo is closer to $6.00 a round.

[Number 10 GI]

As you state nitpicking. Try to get a permit-fat chance. I need it for rabbit hunting?
I hear zombies are coming?

As long as you have a clean police record and are not prohibited from owning a firearm due to mental problems you won't have a problem with obtaining a license to own an a machine gun. There is no requirement to prove why you need a machine gun any more than there is a requirement for you to justify owning a motor vehicle that will exceed 150 MPH. There are quite a few people with significant personal wealth to afford the purchase and feeding of a fully automatic firearm. Have you ever fired a machine gun? It is a hoot!! That's why people who can afford it buy them, they are fun.

I've done quite a bit of searching and have found only two instances where a legally owned machine gun was used in a shooting. One in 1988 by a Dayton, Ohio police officer who used one to kill an informant and one other alleged incident, also in Ohio, where is wasn't completely proven to be a legally owned machine gun. Information is sketchy on this incident.

[NoMoSno]

As long as you have a clean police record and are not prohibited from owning a firearm due to mental problems you won't have a problem with obtaining a license to own an a machine gun. There is no requirement to prove why you need a machine gun any more than there is a requirement for you to justify owning a motor vehicle that will exceed 150 MPH. There are quite a few people with significant personal wealth to afford the purchase and feeding of a fully automatic firearm. Have you ever fired a machine gun? It is a hoot!! That's why people who can afford it buy them, they are fun.

I've done quite a bit of searching and have found only two instances where a legally owned machine gun was used in a shooting. One in 1988 by a Dayton, Ohio police officer who used one to kill an informant and one other alleged incident, also in Ohio, where is wasn't completely proven to be a legally owned machine gun. Information is sketchy on this incident.
Went here one year as a spectator.
Fun time, close by.
Machine Gun (http://www.hernandosportsmansclub.com/machinegun.htm)

[Eg_cruz]

he murdered two people. He should get the death penalty.
You speak of which you do not know

Go back and watch the trial not the MSM headlines

[jimbomaybe]

This statement is inaccurate from beginning to end. The FACTS came out in the trial. The MSM and some public figures smeared Kyle, omitted and buried essential information essentially misrepresenting the whole situation from start to finish. This continues for that matter. Is that where this nonsense came from? good effort on your part but what can you say to people who confronted with facts , hit over the head with them do not respond,, facts will not matter

[Number 10 GI]

I doubt that the federal government would pursue anything if they knew they'd end up looking foolish.

That is the only thing the federal government does well, looking foolish.

[Moderator]

That is the only thing the federal government does well, looking foolish.
Okay, that's it. Thread closed.