Drone Patrol and Gun Control

[Living a Fantasy]

For sometime, I have fantasized about a process to stop these senseless school and mass killings. My solution is to develop a drone patrol -- each with "camera eyes" and multiple sensors for sensing drugs, ammunition, etc. as well as face technology. Drone Patrols with such technology could patrol airports, stadiums, theaters, schools and universities, malls, government utility stations (water, electricity, etc.). When suspicious activity is sensed, the drone(s) hover over the suspect. Video the activity, and instantaneously notify the authorities with the sensed activity, video, and the location of the suspected wrong-doing.

Educating the crazies to such a technology, as described above, may even deter them from attempting such a horrific mission in the first place.

What do you think?

[Tom52]

Has the necessary technology been developed in small, very lightweight form to sense drugs and ammo on people while on the move and at a distance so as to not be intrusive? Without super light weight technology the drone idea would be premature.

[Two Bills]

I think you are years too early, but certainly living up to your posting name!.
You will be fantasizing about self drive electric cars next!:icon_wink:

[shut the front door]

So everyone with a concealed carry permit will be detected and have the cops called on them? Sounds brilliant.

[Dana1963]

What the issue is we need more guns, says the gun lobby.
The most recent school shooting parents bought a 9mm semi automatic for a fifteen year old for Christmas present.
I am very familiar with this issue a work associate bought a 9mm handgun for his 16 year old son outcome was his son killed himself by suicide that stopped the child support payments.
The weapon was not secured the parents are responsible for actions of a minor, also I hope they have a Merry freakin Christmas in jail!

[MrFlorida]

Sounds like the book "1984" no thanks .....

[Gpsma]

Florida is the GunShine State...tooo many guns here. We need the gun controls here like they have in NY and NJ...we would be beyond safe.

And i hear the Supreme Court may allow carry licenses in NY....ruling is immenent.

Are they crazy..the gun control is keeping NY safe.

Anyone want to come to Shooters World tomorrow?

[jdulej]

As I recall, the military drone patrol's most recent action was to blow up a bunch of kids by mistake in Afghanistan - oops

[JMintzer]

Florida is the GunShine State...tooo many guns here. We need the gun controls here like they have in NY and NJ...we would be beyond safe.

And i hear the Supreme Court may allow carry licenses in NY....ruling is immenent.

Are they crazy..the gun control is keeping NY safe.

Anyone want to come to Shooters World tomorrow?

Sarcasm?

[DAVES]

Florida is the GunShine State...tooo many guns here. We need the gun controls here like they have in NY and NJ...we would be beyond safe.

And i hear the Supreme Court may allow carry licenses in NY....ruling is immenent.

Are they crazy..the gun control is keeping NY safe.

Anyone want to come to Shooters World tomorrow?

Seems a bit confusing. Reality, NY, NJ, CALIF, AND ILL, have the tightest gun control laws in the US The strange reality is that they also have the most people shot.
Cause and effect????????????

As far as New York. If, you know the city, you can buy guns on the steps of the 42nd street library. As it is criminal to own a gun in NY only criminals have guns.

For that matter a gun is a simple device. You can buy everything you need at one of the box stores such as Lowes, Home Depo, Walmart etc.

Crime? More reality, it was worse in the 1920s. Beware, that lil grandma may well be LEGALLY carrying.

[PugMom]

@ the risk of sounding like some cliche', this type of behavior can be curtailed by police on campus. real cops, not security service

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Florida is the GunShine State...tooo many guns here. We need the gun controls here like they have in NY and NJ...we would be beyond safe.

And i hear the Supreme Court may allow carry licenses in NY....ruling is immenent.

Are they crazy..the gun control is keeping NY safe.

Anyone want to come to Shooters World tomorrow?

There are more guns owned by people in the USA, than there are people in the USA. I'm pretty sure the problem isn't that there aren't enough guns.

No, the problem is, there are guns in the possession of people who have no business possessing them.

[BillY41]

Yes NY & NJ both have ridiculously strict gun control laws. Nevertheless the average miscreant carrying a firearm rarely gets indicted in NYC. He will get another gun and back through the justice turnstile

[mrrmauu]

For sometime, I have fantasized about a process to stop these senseless school and mass killings. My solution is to develop a drone patrol -- each with "camera eyes" and multiple sensors for sensing drugs, ammunition, etc. as well as face technology. Drone Patrols with such technology could patrol airports, stadiums, theaters, schools and universities, malls, government utility stations (water, electricity, etc.). When suspicious activity is sensed, the drone(s) hover over the suspect. Video the activity, and instantaneously notify the authorities with the sensed activity, video, and the location of the suspected wrong-doing.

Educating the crazies to such a technology, as described above, may even deter them from attempting such a horrific mission in the first place.

What do you think?

This wouldn’t help with situations like the Christmas parade massacre. You may remember it’s where the SUV apparently drove itself into groups of people resulting in an “accident”. Funny how that story dropped off the face of the earth.

[Bandb875]

Maybe look at the school protocols. Seems this latest shooting and others in Florida could have been avoided if the school didn't insist on keeping the kid in school.

[Petersweeney]

Another thread simply posted to divide the reasonable from the fantasy……..sad

[thevillages2013]

For sometime, I have fantasized about a process to stop these senseless school and mass killings. My solution is to develop a drone patrol -- each with "camera eyes" and multiple sensors for sensing drugs, ammunition, etc. as well as face technology. Drone Patrols with such technology could patrol airports, stadiums, theaters, schools and universities, malls, government utility stations (water, electricity, etc.). When suspicious activity is sensed, the drone(s) hover over the suspect. Video the activity, and instantaneously notify the authorities with the sensed activity, video, and the location of the suspected wrong-doing.

Educating the crazies to such a technology, as described above, may even deter them from attempting such a horrific mission in the first place.

What do you think?
There are already cameras everywhere in the schools. If you want the drone inside the school building it better be able to open doors. But what the heck I’m on board but let’s arm the drone so it can shoot down a gunman

[mydavid]

So everyone with a concealed carry permit will be detected and have the cops called on them? Sounds brilliant. Works for me

[noslices1]

Where do the Unicorns come in?

[Lindsyburnsy]

Where all the parents and school board members holding large meetings and protests about gun control rather than mask mandates? Just checked my notes, no deaths to date from wearing a mask in school. Absurd. QUOTE=Gpsma;2037318]Florida is the GunShine State...tooo many guns here. We need the gun controls here like they have in NY and NJ...we would be beyond safe.

And i hear the Supreme Court may allow carry licenses in NY....ruling is immenent.

Are they crazy..the gun control is keeping NY safe.

Anyone want to come to Shooters World tomorrow?[/QUOTE]

[Gunny2403]

So much for privacy rights

[Sandy and Ed]

What the issue is we need more guns, says the gun lobby.
The most recent school shooting parents bought a 9mm semi automatic for a fifteen year old for Christmas present.
I am very familiar with this issue a work associate bought a 9mm handgun for his 16 year old son outcome was his son killed himself by suicide that stopped the child support payments.
The weapon was not secured the parents are responsible for actions of a minor, also I hope they have a Merry freakin Christmas in jail!
A hand gun for a child? IMHO - stupid!! More logical a rifle for target range shooting and familiarity with a weapon and an ability for a parent to sense the level of maturity and responsibility the child displays with a weapon. Let the young ADULT purchase own handgun when reaches age of emancipation. I am retired military and a strong 2d Amendment advocate. Still never believed guns and kids nor guns and alcohol were good mixers.

[MDLNB]

Hey, better yet why not install computers that can predict when a crime is going to be perpetrated next? Or, since we are coddling the children now, and they can do no wrong, just have them schooled from home where they will be safe from harm or doing harm? Maybe the answer is a bit more of tough love, instead of making excuses for them every time they do something wrong.
Root causes is the answer. Police, drones and video cameras are attempting to fix something AFTER the fact. Better to fix the kids before they go off. Discipline is the answer to most of the problems today.

[34gunner]

Why don't we just become a total police state?

[Sandy and Ed]

Florida is the GunShine State...tooo many guns here. We need the gun controls here like they have in NY and NJ...we would be beyond safe.

And i hear the Supreme Court may allow carry licenses in NY....ruling is immenent.

Are they crazy..the gun control is keeping NY safe.

Anyone want to come to Shooters World tomorrow?
New York safe???? All we need to do is start enforcing present laws and lock up people forever that use guns to commit crimes. And make certain citizens ineligible based on mental health, age, felony, Not self defense but actual crimes. Gun controls don’t affect those who are intent on using guns to commit crimes. I actually lean toward open carry with certain exclusions (where alcohol is served, schools, hospitals, etc).

[Dantes]

Your twenty years late
They’ve been using facial recognition at stadiums,airports etc .for years You just weren’t told about it
We are catching up to China

[Randyj66]

It's not a mass gun problem, it's a massive mental health problem! Look at the big picture! Every incident was caused by a lack of mental health treatment!!!

[JMintzer]

Hey, better yet why not install computers that can predict when a crime is going to be perpetrated next?

Tom Cruise showed us that was a bad idea...:icon_wink:

https://hellhorror.com/images/inTheaters/origs/9eb39-minority-report-poster.jpg

[MrFlorida]

We don't need any more useless laws, criminals don't obey them so why should the rest of us law abiding citizens have to suffer.

[Living a Fantasy]

I think you are years too early, but certainly living up to your posting name!.
You will be fantasizing about self drive electric cars next!:icon_wink:

The link below was reported in 2016. Maybe it's not my fantasy.

Was That an Insect or a Drone? | RoboticsTomorrow (https://www.roboticstomorrow.com/article/2016/12/was-that-an-insect-or-a-drone/9265)

[Ptmckiou]

Sounds like we would become what China is doing. They use high tech to track people including advanced facial recognition which in addition to drones, every street crossing sign has a camera built in. Are you sure you want to go there? Are you sure you want to try and stop something by NOT actually addressing the root problem…..children getting a hold of guns. How about we start there…the root issue and solve that, instead of putting a bandaid on it.

Feds need to pass a law that all 50 states must have guns in secure lock up if there are minors living in the house. About only 20 states have this law, and apply heavy jail time to parents, if the children get a hold of one of your guns and harms someone. This is the only way to stop children from mass murdering others. They play video games for hours a day that glorify the ease of killing and makes it routine in their minds. That would be another thing to address…no killing video games for minors either. You get exposed to blood and gore, over and over and over, you become emotionally numb by it. Children’s brain are not yet mature to rationalize like adults because their thinking process hasn’t fully developed. Address the access to guns, holding parents responsible and the mental development towards violence and we might just get somewhere,

[jbrown132]

For sometime, I have fantasized about a process to stop these senseless school and mass killings. My solution is to develop a drone patrol -- each with "camera eyes" and multiple sensors for sensing drugs, ammunition, etc. as well as face technology. Drone Patrols with such technology could patrol airports, stadiums, theaters, schools and universities, malls, government utility stations (water, electricity, etc.). When suspicious activity is sensed, the drone(s) hover over the suspect. Video the activity, and instantaneously notify the authorities with the sensed activity, video, and the location of the suspected wrong-doing.

Educating the crazies to such a technology, as described above, may even deter them from attempting such a horrific mission in the first place.

What do you think?
Would not have stopped that school shooting. What’s needed is more vigilant school administrators who are not afraid to offend the parents, kids, and will call the police if they suspect anything at all.

[ThirdOfFive]

For sometime, I have fantasized about a process to stop these senseless school and mass killings. My solution is to develop a drone patrol -- each with "camera eyes" and multiple sensors for sensing drugs, ammunition, etc. as well as face technology. Drone Patrols with such technology could patrol airports, stadiums, theaters, schools and universities, malls, government utility stations (water, electricity, etc.). When suspicious activity is sensed, the drone(s) hover over the suspect. Video the activity, and instantaneously notify the authorities with the sensed activity, video, and the location of the suspected wrong-doing.

Educating the crazies to such a technology, as described above, may even deter them from attempting such a horrific mission in the first place.

What do you think?
...Or we could start raising our kids a bit more responsibly.

[ThirdOfFive]

Florida is the GunShine State...tooo many guns here. We need the gun controls here like they have in NY and NJ...we would be beyond safe.

And i hear the Supreme Court may allow carry licenses in NY....ruling is immenent.

Are they crazy..the gun control is keeping NY safe.

Anyone want to come to Shooters World tomorrow?
I'm curious...just how many guns are "too many"?

[davefin]

George Orwell would be proud!

[ThirdOfFive]

Hey, better yet why not install computers that can predict when a crime is going to be perpetrated next? Or, since we are coddling the children now, and they can do no wrong, just have them schooled from home where they will be safe from harm or doing harm? Maybe the answer is a bit more of tough love, instead of making excuses for them every time they do something wrong.
Root causes is the answer. Police, drones and video cameras are attempting to fix something AFTER the fact. Better to fix the kids before they go off. Discipline is the answer to most of the problems today.
Five stars!

[b0bd0herty]

Florida is the GunShine State...tooo many guns here. We need the gun controls here like they have in NY and NJ...we would be beyond safe.

And i hear the Supreme Court may allow carry licenses in NY....ruling is immenent.

Are they crazy..the gun control is keeping NY safe.

Anyone want to come to Shooters World tomorrow?

Don't forget those places with the strictest gun controls which are mostly gun violence free: Chicago & Detroit.

[Ptmckiou]

Seems a bit confusing. Reality, NY, NJ, CALIF, AND ILL, have the tightest gun control laws in the US The strange reality is that they also have the most people shot.
Cause and effect????????????

As far as New York. If, you know the city, you can buy guns on the steps of the 42nd street library. As it is criminal to own a gun in NY only criminals have guns.

For that matter a gun is a simple device. You can buy everything you need at one of the box stores such as Lowes, Home Depo, Walmart etc.

Crime? More reality, it was worse in the 1920s. Beware, that lil grandma may well be LEGALLY carrying.

You forget that those states you mentioned are naturally going to have more shootings, because they have some of the largest population hubs of all the states. More people…bigger numbers. Maybe do your analysis by percentage of the population ratio to make it fair. If you have a state with 100 million people, and another state with 5 million people….naturally the state with more people will have higher numbers of crimes, because of the increase in population. However, if you look at percentages of the population, it would be more accurate comparison.

[Ray Greene]

What happened to families teaching love thy neighbor. Oh sorry I guess stupidity has taken over.

[rstebbins]

Taking guns away from people who obtained them legally is not the answer. A presentation at the Villages Shooters Club showed that every country that has taken away guns from its citizens has ended up with worse crime. You end up with only the criminals having weapons, not good.

[nhtexasrn]

Florida is the GunShine State...tooo many guns here. We need the gun controls here like they have in NY and NJ...we would be beyond safe.

And i hear the Supreme Court may allow carry licenses in NY....ruling is immenent.

Are they crazy..the gun control is keeping NY safe.

Anyone want to come to Shooters World tomorrow?

Love it!! LOL

[JanetMM]

Would not have stopped that school shooting. What’s needed is more vigilant school administrators who are not afraid to offend the parents, kids, and will call the police if they suspect anything at all.

I agree to a large degree. And most parents today still demand their children behave.

HOWEVER, it is not so much school administrators being “AFRAID” to offend. It is school admins not being allowed by the parents to administer the rules and discipline the students anymore. And if the school does try to follow through, chances are the parents will sue.

The parents refused to send the kid home as requested by the admins. When parents expect the school to raise the child and yet handcuff the school’s discipline what do you think will happen?

Parents’ lawyers are now involved in every aspect of public education. Parents have also abandoned discipline at home. THEIR kid doesn’t need punishment bc their kid is special in some way or another. The inmates are now running the asylum.

[Wing-nut2]

Love it!! LOL

Those gun laws really work well. Chicago killed 9 just this past weekend. What we need is a different type of person. Guns don't just jump up, run outside and shoot someone. When I was a kid, the schools had gun clubs. I took my shotguns to school whenever we planed to go hunting after class, No one ever got shot.

Please don't turn my Florida into the septic tanks that many of you ran away from.

[Dantes]

I feel the same about about letting the kids use there cars and drink and kill someone the parents should go to jail

[skarra]

Taking guns away from people who obtained them legally is not the answer. A presentation at the Villages Shooters Club showed that every country that has taken away guns from its citizens has ended up with worse crime. You end up with only the criminals having weapons, not good.


If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.

One, look at the source of your information.

Two, have a look at countries that have placed restrictions of various types of firearms (Australia being one example back in 1996). Significant reductions in violent crimes, firearm suicides and mass shootings.

It’s clear from our statistics that more guns is not the answer. Personally I never feel safe around people with guns, even cops.

[Proveone]

For sometime, I have fantasized about a process to stop these senseless school and mass killings. My solution is to develop a drone patrol -- each with "camera eyes" and multiple sensors for sensing drugs, ammunition, etc. as well as face technology. Drone Patrols with such technology could patrol airports, stadiums, theaters, schools and universities, malls, government utility stations (water, electricity, etc.). When suspicious activity is sensed, the drone(s) hover over the suspect. Video the activity, and instantaneously notify the authorities with the sensed activity, video, and the location of the suspected wrong-doing.

Educating the crazies to such a technology, as described above, may even deter them from attempting such a horrific mission in the first place.

What do you think?
Thanks for sharing but what about gun control? One of the worse Supreme Court decisions was on the 2nd Amendment. Citizens should be able to own hunting rifles but not assault weapons made for war. These "militia" groups are just gangs of thugs!

[tmbozoki@gmail.com]

What saddens me as 38 year Air Force veteran is to read number of Americans who wo quickly want to give up their freedoms my brothers and sisters sacrificed to protect. In do that all in the name of the all elusive 100% safe feeling.

Also, when are we Americans going to wake up we've lost our moral fibers and fear of God? And, how about what really drove and or caused these youths to actually pull the trigger? This is the problem people, our youth are so misguided with no sense of self responsibilities or morals towards fellow human beings.

As for you gun killers, back off already, it's not the millions of NRA and responsible gun owners who are shooting up the streets and schools.

[Wing-nut2]

There are 90 guns for every 100 people in the United States. There are trillions of rounds of ammunition. If guns owners were the problem, you'd know it.

[OhioBuckeye]

For sometime, I have fantasized about a process to stop these senseless school and mass killings. My solution is to develop a drone patrol -- each with "camera eyes" and multiple sensors for sensing drugs, ammunition, etc. as well as face technology. Drone Patrols with such technology could patrol airports, stadiums, theaters, schools and universities, malls, government utility stations (water, electricity, etc.). When suspicious activity is sensed, the drone(s) hover over the suspect. Video the activity, and instantaneously notify the authorities with the sensed activity, video, and the location of the suspected wrong-doing.

Educating the crazies to such a technology, as described above, may even deter them from attempting such a horrific mission in the first place.

What do you think?

Good Point but having a drone hover over one person that looks suspicious, what about the other hundreds or maybe a couple thousand other people. Also having a drone flying around in a building won’t happen. What ever happened to metal detectors at entrances. I’m sure a drug sensing drone has probably already been thought or to expensive. Everything you said sounds a little expensive & I’m sure they been thought of. Criminals aren’t so dumb that they can’t beat the system, that’s why this kind of a thing is still going on. You might as well go back to letting teachers carry firearms, that idea didn’t go over real good either.

[SHIBUMI]

Schools are like airports.........metal detectors are the only real answer...just a sign of the times....they get everyones attention and prevent stupidity outside the classroom, inside is another issue

[Proveone]

So everyone with a concealed carry permit will be detected and have the cops called on them? Sounds brilliant.
Sounds good to me!

[Larchap49]

Florida is the GunShine State...tooo many guns here. We need the gun controls here like they have in NY and NJ...we would be beyond safe.

And i hear the Supreme Court may allow carry licenses in NY....ruling is immenent.

Are they crazy..the gun control is keeping NY safe.

Anyone want to come to Shooters World tomorrow?

You obviously do not follow 5he facts on gun control. The cities with the strictest gun control ie NY, Wash. DC, Detroit, etc. have by far the most gun violence and d violence in general. Perhaps a little research on your part is needed before making statements that are not based on fact but your opinion.

[Proveone]

As I recall, the military drone patrol's most recent action was to blow up a bunch of kids by mistake in Afghanistan - oops
First of all, the US military drone was a weapon, as opposed to a surveillance drone. Secondly, the US military drone "mishap" was predictable because they are the US military!

[kathy1516]

There are not enough police nor strict laws being enforced by the legal system To prevent the acts.
The criminal element will ALWAYS get guns!
Illinois has one of the strictest gun control laws. Has it made any difference? No. Unless the laws are enforced nothing will change.

[Proveone]

Seems a bit confusing. Reality, NY, NJ, CALIF, AND ILL, have the tightest gun control laws in the US The strange reality is that they also have the most people shot.
Cause and effect????????????

As far as New York. If, you know the city, you can buy guns on the steps of the 42nd street library. As it is criminal to own a gun in NY only criminals have guns.

For that matter a gun is a simple device. You can buy everything you need at one of the box stores such as Lowes, Home Depo, Walmart etc.

Crime? More reality, it was worse in the 1920s. Beware, that lil grandma may well be LEGALLY carrying.
Don't know what your point is. The states you mentioned have the most shoutings because they are the most populated - common sense. Criminals have guns because they can purchase them in states they don't have gun laws! "Nice try"!

[blueash]

What saddens me as 38 year Air Force veteran is to read number of Americans who wo quickly want to give up their freedoms my brothers and sisters sacrificed to protect. In do that all in the name of the all elusive 100% safe feeling.

Also, when are we Americans going to wake up we've lost our moral fibers and fear of God? And, how about what really drove and or caused these youths to actually pull the trigger? This is the problem people, our youth are so misguided with no sense of self responsibilities or morals towards fellow human beings.

As for you gun killers, back off already, it's not the millions of NRA and responsible gun owners who are shooting up the streets and schools.

What saddens me is the presumptiveness of a person who was taught to kill as a profession claiming any special wisdom about morality. We need the military. We need people who are malleable to be trained into being killing machines with no doubts about seeing the "enemy" as subhuman and slaughtering them. But those are not a morality. I think the God you seem to think I should fear said something about thou shall not kill and love your neighbor. I don't recall the apostles being armed and locked and loaded.

[bobnyce]

Florida is the GunShine State...tooo many guns here. We need the gun controls here like they have in NY and NJ...we would be beyond safe.

And i hear the Supreme Court may allow carry licenses in NY....ruling is immenent.

Are they crazy..the gun control is keeping NY safe.

Anyone want to come to Shooters World tomorrow?

People who commit crimes with guns are not law abiding registered, carry permitted citizens - they are criminals will illegal guns. The only way to stop gun crime is stop and frisk! Just like New York City did it and crime went down! We should also be stopping drivers to confirm drivers license and insurance. But that will never happen too inconvenient just make everyone else pay for uninsured and under-insured coverage. Why inconvenience the crooks?

[JMintzer]

I'm curious...just how many guns are "too many"?

More than one owns, but less than one wants...

[Wing-nut2]

The numbers are several years old so I'm sure they've changed a bit. It takes a long time co collect this type of data. In many US cities, gotten worse .

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/embed/pELwCqz2JfE?rel=0&autoplay=true)

[GypsyRN]

What the issue is we need more guns, says the gun lobby.
The most recent school shooting parents bought a 9mm semi automatic for a fifteen year old for Christmas present.
I am very familiar with this issue a work associate bought a 9mm handgun for his 16 year old son outcome was his son killed himself by suicide that stopped the child support payments.
The weapon was not secured the parents are responsible for actions of a minor, also I hope they have a Merry freakin Christmas in jail!

Punctuation Please!!!!!!!!! Geez!!!!!!:pray:

[GypsyRN]

Sounds like we would become what China is doing. They use high tech to track people including advanced facial recognition which in addition to drones, every street crossing sign has a camera built in. Are you sure you want to go there? Are you sure you want to try and stop something by NOT actually addressing the root problem…..children getting a hold of guns. How about we start there…the root issue and solve that, instead of putting a bandaid on it.

Feds need to pass a law that all 50 states must have guns in secure lock up if there are minors living in the house. About only 20 states have this law, and apply heavy jail time to parents, if the children get a hold of one of your guns and harms someone. This is the only way to stop children from mass murdering others. They play video games for hours a day that glorify the ease of killing and makes it routine in their minds. That would be another thing to address…no killing video games for minors either. You get exposed to blood and gore, over and over and over, you become emotionally numb by it. Children’s brain are not yet mature to ra:bigbow:tionalize like adults because their thinking process hasn’t fully developed. Address the access to guns, holding parents responsible and the mental development towards violence and we might just get somewhere,

Amen to that!!!!!:bigbow:

[GypsyRN]

Hey, better yet why not install computers that can predict when a crime is going to be perpetrated next? Or, since we are coddling the children now, and they can do no wrong, just have them schooled from home where they will be safe from harm or doing harm? Maybe the answer is a bit more of tough love, instead of making excuses for them every time they do something wrong.
Root causes is the answer. Police, drones and video cameras are attempting to fix something AFTER the fact. Better to fix the kids before they go off. Discipline is the answer to most of the problems today.

Amen brother!!!!!! :bigbow:

[doctorknow]

For sometime, I have fantasized about a process to stop these senseless school and mass killings. My solution is to develop a drone patrol -- each with "camera eyes" and multiple sensors for sensing drugs, ammunition, etc. as well as face technology. Drone Patrols with such technology could patrol airports, stadiums, theaters, schools and universities, malls, government utility stations (water, electricity, etc.). When suspicious activity is sensed, the drone(s) hover over the suspect. Video the activity, and instantaneously notify the authorities with the sensed activity, video, and the location of the suspected wrong-doing.

Educating the crazies to such a technology, as described above, may even deter them from attempting such a horrific mission in the first place.

What do you think?

Great idea, however who makes the call what is suspicious? When do they call for police? Someone loitering? Someone arguing? Someone out for a walk in a prohibited area? When does the call become necessary to prevent violence? It seems a bit "big brother" to me. Also who watches the monitors of all the drones? Seems like a waste of $$.

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

I posted a lengthy response in this thread just a few minutes ago, prefacing that I thought this topic was of a political nature and not to be discussed, but it is nowhere to be found. I did not mention any politicians or political parties, just facts that I know about the issue of gun control. What happened to it?

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

There are 90 guns for every 100 people in the United States. There are trillions of rounds of ammunition. If guns owners were the problem, you'd know it.

There are 120 guns for every 100 people -- you must have outdated information

[jimhurtt@twc.com]

Sorry. I don't have room in my fantasies for anything like that.

[ThirdOfFive]

If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.

One, look at the source of your information.

Two, have a look at countries that have placed restrictions of various types of firearms (Australia being one example back in 1996). Significant reductions in violent crimes, firearm suicides and mass shootings.

It’s clear from our statistics that more guns is not the answer. Personally I never feel safe around people with guns, even cops.
Experiences differ, I suspect.

I attended several Second Amendment rallies when I lived in Minnesota. Minnesota is a permit-to-carry state, not concealed-carry. If you have a permit in Minnesota you can carry openly and many do. One rally, about three years ago, in particular sticks in my memory. It was on the Capitol lawn in St. Paul. About 3,000 attendees and I'd say 2,000 were carrying, many openly. There were several dignitaries in attendance: 2018 was an election year. There was a candidate for Congress, the chairperson of the Minnesota Republican Party, several sitting legislators.

There was law enforcement present as well. Five officers in total. Four of them were on the perimeter of the rally facing AWAY from the crowd, on the watch for demonstrators (who never showed up). The fifth, a uniformed St. Paul cop, was with the crowd, chatting with people, looking at exhibits and generally having just as good a time as any of the rest of us.

That told me a lot. At least 2,000 armed citizens and the cops were FAR more worried about the folks who were anti-gun.

[Speedie]

This wouldn’t help with situations like the Christmas parade massacre. You may remember it’s where the SUV apparently drove itself into groups of people resulting in an “accident”. Funny how that story dropped off the face of the earth.

Maybe a ban on cars???

[JMintzer]

Thanks for sharing but what about gun control? One of the worse Supreme Court decisions was on the 2nd Amendment. Citizens should be able to own hunting rifles but not assault weapons made for war. These "militia" groups are just gangs of thugs!

I'll agree with you the minute you show me where it says anything about "hunting" in the Constitution...

[JMintzer]

You obviously do not follow 5he facts on gun control. The cities with the strictest gun control ie NY, Wash. DC, Detroit, etc. have by far the most gun violence and d violence in general. Perhaps a little research on your part is needed before making statements that are not based on fact but your opinion.

Just a point of information...

DC went to "Shall Issue" for their carry permits about 5-6 years ago...

But yes, those committing crimes with guns are not carrying legally...

[JMintzer]

First of all, the US military drone was a weapon, as opposed to a surveillance drone. Secondly, the US military drone "mishap" was predictable because they are the US military!

But they are the ones who have all the guns, right? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[tc1963]

Florida is the GunShine State...tooo many guns here. We need the gun controls here like they have in NY and NJ...we would be beyond safe.

And i hear the Supreme Court may allow carry licenses in NY....ruling is immenent.

Are they crazy..the gun control is keeping NY safe.

Anyone want to come to Shooters World tomorrow?

When an armed crook breaks into your house while you and your family scream for your lives, you call 911, get a recording saying "the police have been de-funded please call a social worker for assistance." AND you can not defend yourself and family. Thought process might be different. I am from NYC. The Same DUMB ASS CITY that had The Big Gulp Tax!!!! DAH! WT_?

The GUN is not the problem, it is the HOLDER! People can fake any document ie. Covid cards. I believe over 85% of homeowners in TV own a gun. What is the Violent Crime/Home Invasion Rate in TV? Next to nothing! Under 15% chance of success!!! Even the most dumb ass thief is not stupid enough to take those odds!!! Even then Home Invasion is usually contributed to homeowner error, unlocked window/door. Outside the Bubble is a much different issue, all the more reason to carry!!!

NY and NJ move to Fl. for no state tax income tax on pensions and to be safer! If Fl. gun laws do not appeal to you do not stay, sell your place, go back and deal with the environment that you chose to try and escape from. TV Armed and strong!

[tc1963]

For sometime, I have fantasized about a process to stop these senseless school and mass killings. My solution is to develop a drone patrol -- each with "camera eyes" and multiple sensors for sensing drugs, ammunition, etc. as well as face technology. Drone Patrols with such technology could patrol airports, stadiums, theaters, schools and universities, malls, government utility stations (water, electricity, etc.). When suspicious activity is sensed, the drone(s) hover over the suspect. Video the activity, and instantaneously notify the authorities with the sensed activity, video, and the location of the suspected wrong-doing.

Educating the crazies to such a technology, as described above, may even deter them from attempting such a horrific mission in the first place.

What do you think?

Drones and Aircraft at Airports DO NOT MIX. Hence no fly zones. Live birds can take out a jet engine. Utility stations should be responsible for their own security surveillance and not subject to Bob or Joe doing a fly by. Since property owners have mineral rights to their property, drones over private property without authorization from the property owner should be able to be shot down by said property owner as target practice!

[Waltdisney4life]

Wow And you can have the drones shoot poison darts! 😆

[MrFlorida]

We have laws against drugs, but you can get them on any street corner, we have laws against drunk driving, but many do on a daily basis, and often kill people, we have numerous gun laws, that criminals choose to ignore, So why don't we just enforce the laws on the books, and leave the law abiding citizens alone for a change ?

[Sandy and Ed]

When an armed crook breaks into your house while you and your family scream for your lives, you call 911, get a recording saying "the police have been de-funded please call a social worker for assistance." AND you can not defend yourself and family. Thought process might be different. I am from NYC. The Same DUMB ASS CITY that had The Big Gulp Tax!!!! DAH! WT_?

The GUN is not the problem, it is the HOLDER! People can fake any document ie. Covid cards. I believe over 85% of homeowners in TV own a gun. What is the Violent Crime/Home Invasion Rate in TV? Next to nothing! Under 15% chance of success!!! Even the most dumb ass thief is not stupid enough to take those odds!!! Even then Home Invasion is usually contributed to homeowner error, unlocked window/door. Outside the Bubble is a much different issue, all the more reason to carry!!!

NY and NJ move to Fl. for no state tax income tax on pensions and to be safer! If Fl. gun laws do not appeal to you do not stay, sell your place, go back and deal with the environment that you chose to try and escape from. TV Armed and strong!
Amen to that.

[DALEPQ]

It is so easy to continue to blame inanimate objects. A gun is inanimate, it doesn't point
itself or pull its own trigger, PEOPLE DO, so why blame the gun, get real and blame the
person using the gun!!!

[TNKYGAL]

What saddens me is the presumptiveness of a person who was taught to kill as a profession claiming any special wisdom about morality. We need the military. We need people who are malleable to be trained into being killing machines with no doubts about seeing the "enemy" as subhuman and slaughtering them. But those are not a morality. I think the God you seem to think I should fear said something about thou shall not kill and love your neighbor. I don't recall the apostles being armed and locked and loaded.

When my son joined the U.S. Marines, I was frightened, aprehensive, and PROUD. A friend made the comment that he had been "trained to kill" as this poster suggests. Blueash infers that equals a lack of morality, and further describes our military as "people who are malleable to be trained into being killing machines with no doubts about seeing the "enemy" as subhuman and slaughtering them." Seriously? Malleable? I was a high school teacher, and the students who chose to go to the military, including my son, were proud Americans who desired to serve their country, understanding that to do so meant they were willing to lose their life. Many came from families with a strong history in the military, some not. They came from all economic & social backgrounds. Some were our highest honor students, some were from hard working families who just made ends meet and applied that same hard work to their school work. Painting our military heroes as "malleable" and suggesting they are killing machines without morality tells me that YOU sadly misunderstand our heroes.

I read a book published by an Army Chapeline on this matter, and he had spent a lot of his career counseling soldiers about the difference in being trained to DEFEND and trained to KILL. Our military is trained to defend. We call upon them to go into the worst situations imaginable and be ready and able to take another life when it is necessary to DEFEND their own and that of their fellow soldiers, ultimately providing security to and defending our country &/or helping other countries. I have interviewed many, many veterans from every conflict in our history as part of a documentary and book, and I can tell you that those actions were taken at a cost. But the most significant emotional toll for them was from those who they could not save.

That same God you quote to defame our military heroes also stated "Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends." (John 15:13, NIV)
I admire, respect, and thank our military heroes, and think that 38 years in the Air Force certainly does not disqualify tmbozoki from commenting on morality. The points made in his/her post were insightful and spot on, IMHO.

[Jerseybob]

When you think this through, you may come to recognize that there are over 800K active sworn law enforcement officials in our country that carry firearms concealed both on and off duty. Some wear uniforms, others do not.
This number does not include retired law enforcement officials that can qualify with firearms on a required and regular basis. This allows them to carry concealed legally throughout our nation.
The numbers of citizens (non-law enforcement) that educate themselves in firearms, train with the firearm, provide fingerprints and identification (all vetting) for the ability to carry a firearm concealed is also an enormous number nationwide. I would be remiss for not including our military veterans that also can obtain a concealed carry firearm legally.
Before we dream of solving a challenge, we may consider a full circle view of the concerns and the anticipated fallout of concept changes. It may change the path of the solution in a larger capacity than we first dreamed of.

[Bonanza]

For sometime, I have fantasized about a process to stop these senseless school and mass killings. My solution is to develop a drone patrol -- each with "camera eyes" and multiple sensors for sensing drugs, ammunition, etc. as well as face technology. Drone Patrols with such technology could patrol airports, stadiums, theaters, schools and universities, malls, government utility stations (water, electricity, etc.). When suspicious activity is sensed, the drone(s) hover over the suspect. Video the activity, and instantaneously notify the authorities with the sensed activity, video, and the location of the suspected wrong-doing.

Educating the crazies to such a technology, as described above, may even deter them from attempting such a horrific mission in the first place.

What do you think?

What do I think???
Bring back the guillotine and make it public.
Televise it!

Yeah. That will stop 'em, for sure.
:spoken:

[MDLNB]

There is no perfect answer. However, sympathizing with scumbag criminals is not even a correct solution. If you wish to deter criminal activity, then make the criminal too scared to perpetrate a crime. Hard labor for minor offenses, and death for murder and rape. Elect or appoint judges that understand this and do not allow the State's Attorney the authority to negotiate a dismissal of charges based on a criminal working with law enforcement to catch other criminals. Make mandatory minimum sentencing for convictions. In a few years, the crime rate will be substantially reduced if implemented properly. Innocent folks do not need to fear our laws. They should be confident enough to allow their children outside to play and women should feel safe when they are walking home in the dark.
Hard times create hard men
Hard men create good times
Good times create soft men
Soft men create hard times.

It's time to create "hard men" so our families can enjoy "good times."

[MEbner2805]

For sometime, I have fantasized about a process to stop these senseless school and mass killings. My solution is to develop a drone patrol -- each with "camera eyes" and multiple sensors for sensing drugs, ammunition, etc. as well as face technology. Drone Patrols with such technology could patrol airports, stadiums, theaters, schools and universities, malls, government utility stations (water, electricity, etc.). When suspicious activity is sensed, the drone(s) hover over the suspect. Video the activity, and instantaneously notify the authorities with the sensed activity, video, and the location of the suspected wrong-doing.

Educating the crazies to such a technology, as described above, may even deter them from attempting such a horrific mission in the first place.

What do you think?
How is a camera going to detect a student who will carry a gun in a school? How are you going to detect a gun before it goes in a school when people’s rights to privacy are in play? Schools can’t afford metal detectors or security guards or they would all have them and no guns would ever get in! It’s a hopeless security problem for most public schools, especially in low income areas. If there was a easy solution, they would all gladly adopt it!

[MEbner2805]

...Or we could start raising our kids a bit more responsibly.

That’s not possible with such mentally ill kids these are with Asperger’s syndrome as with most of the school shooters! The bullying in school is a likely cause of the motive but can’t fix kids that easy!! Discipline makes kids rebel! These kids today are not like when we grew up at all so can’t apply the same logic as life was way too simple back then! A knife in school was very rare and fights and violence minimal. Much less impulsive society back then. These parents like others likely wanted to get rid of the burden of their sick kid and there are cases of guns solving that evil action not to have to deal with their sick child anymore! Cases of suicide by gun by kids whose parents provided the gun are out there to stop paying child support in divorces! These parents planned the whole evil situation to get rid of their problem kid I would bet! Just like a lot of the child deaths in cars! Many are planned fir nefarious reasons!

[CFrance]

That’s not possible with such mentally ill kids these are with Asperger’s syndrome as with most of the school shooters! The bullying in school is a likely cause of the motive but can’t fix kids that easy!! Discipline makes kids rebel! These kids today are not like when we grew up at all so can’t apply the same logic as life was way too simple back then! A knife in school was very rare and fights and violence minimal. Much less impulsive society back then. These parents like others likely wanted to get rid of the burden of their sick kid and there are cases of guns solving that evil action not to have to deal with their sick child anymore! Cases of suicide by gun by kids whose parents provided the gun are out there to stop paying child support in divorces! These parents planned the whole evil situation to get rid of their problem kid I would bet! Just like a lot of the child deaths in cars! Many are planned fir nefarious reasons!
Holy crapoly. My flabber is gasted.:ohdear:

[Bonanza]

Taking guns away from people who obtained them legally is not the answer. A presentation at the Villages Shooters Club showed that every country that has taken away guns from its citizens has ended up with worse crime. You end up with only the criminals having weapons, not good.

Hogwash! Just because someone obtained a gun "legally" does NOT mean they should have one!
History has shown that is NOT true.

Just as a point of information, do you know that in England their police do not even carry guns? So don't go on saying that the UK has a horrible crime problem.

What we need is tighter laws regarding those who get them. Kinda like looking into the background of those who want them. And it can't be done in a day or two; there has to be a waiting period for a proper check. And yes -- hold parents responsible in some cases.

[JMintzer]

Hogwash! Just because someone obtained a gun "legally" does NOT mean they should have one!
History has shown that is NOT true.

Says who?

Just as a point of information, do you know that in England their police do not even carry guns? So don't go on saying that the UK has a horrible crime problem.

We're not England. We threw them out because we had guns!

What we need is tighter laws regarding those who get them. Kinda like looking into the background of those who want them. And it can't be done in a day or two; there has to be a waiting period for a proper check. And yes -- hold parents responsible in some cases.

You mean like the Federal Background Check that is already required in every new gun purchase?