Kim Potter Guilty

[retiredguy123]

I could not have voted to convict. She was doing her job, and made a mistake. Surgeons make mistakes that result in death, but they never go to jail.

[dougjb]

Before one comments on the jury verdict here, one should fully apprize oneself as to the elements of the charge against this officer.

The elements of the charge were enacted by the legislature of the state of Minnesota long before this incident occurred.

Be swayed not by your feelings, but be swayed by what the jury was forced to consider in light of the duly enacted law. They wrestled with this for 72 hours. How many seconds are you wrestling with this before you type in your opinions here?

[manaboutown]

Her convictions are totally unwarranted. I wonder how many jurors felt fearful of riots and/or were contacted by criminals who threatened them, their families and/or their property.

This should get corrected on appeal.

Wrong Charges Filed Against Kimberly Potter for Duante Wright Death (https://www.natlawreview.com/article/unwinnable-case-against-kimberly-potter)

Anybody get a good look at the horrific criminal record of the vicious felon she mistakenly shot with her gun instead of her taser in the heat of the moment?

"The previously undisclosed 2017 felony petition, obtained by Fox News Digital, alleges that Wright broke into a home before the homeowner, who was in the basement, emerged upstairs and chased him out.

A 38-year-old man identified only as J.M. told police he recognized Wright as a "former acquaintance of his son" when the doorbell rang on Jan. 30, 2017.

"J.M. stated that he did not want to respond to the doorbell and ignored [Wright]," the petition states.

Then Wright walked behind the house and knocked at the back door, according to the court document. When no one answered, he allegedly took down the screen on the bathroom window and crawled inside. At that point, J.M. chased him out.

It’s unclear how the juvenile case was resolved. A spokeswoman for Ben Crump, the attorney representing Wright’s family, did not immediately respond to a request for comment."

"Wright also had armed robbery charges pending at the time of his death. And a pair of lawsuits filed after his death accuse him of shooting a teen in the head and taking part in a carjacking in which an accomplice allegedly shot a young man through the leg.

In the robbery case, Wright allegedly closed one hand around a 20-year-old woman’s throat, choking her, while shoving a gun barrel in her face and demanding cash she had hidden in her bra."

From: Kim Potter trial: Daunte Wright, repeat offender killed by ex-cop, appears in yet another felony complaint | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/kim-potter-trial-daunte-wright-another-felony-complaint)


It will become increasingly difficult to find good folks agreeable to take on careers in law enforcement if such travesties continue.

[JGVillages]

AGREE. The way underpaid Law Enforcement Officers that have to make life or death decisions in a matter of one second need considerably more pay and benefits to compensate for the potential ramifications of the job. After the legitimate stop the officers were informed that this, now known criminal, was wanted on a WEAPONS charge. After confronting him with this, a struggle ensued, and he the wanted CRIMINAL attempted to re-enter his vehicle, which considering the “weapons warrant” would make any law enforcement officer concerned. With that said she made a tragic error, but in”my” opinion the charges against her were not warranted.

[Shbullet]

Before one comments on the jury verdict here, one should fully apprize oneself as to the elements of the charge against this officer.

The elements of the charge were enacted by the legislature of the state of Minnesota long before this incident occurred.

Be swayed not by your feelings, but be swayed by what the jury was forced to consider in light of the duly enacted law. They wrestled with this for 72 hours. How many seconds are you wrestling with this before you type in your opinions here?

You sound like a cross eyed lawyer!

[jimbomaybe]

Before one comments on the jury verdict here, one should fully apprize oneself as to the elements of the charge against this officer.

The elements of the charge were enacted by the legislature of the state of Minnesota long before this incident occurred.

Be swayed not by your feelings, but be swayed by what the jury was forced to consider in light of the duly enacted law. They wrestled with this for 72 hours. How many seconds are you wrestling with this before you type in your opinions here?

How many fractions of a second did she have to decide her actions and act?

[Stu from NYC]

It is sad this happened but amazing that somehow we should feel sorry for the no good hoodlum who was up to no good in his life and was shot.

Not as if the officer has plenty of time to make a decision with their life in serious jeopardy.

[tvbound]

With the just verdicts in the George Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery, Daunte Wright trials and the indictment of the white female prosecutor in the Arbery case for not doing her job, it's been a bad year for racists and those who think law enforcement should be above the law. May the trend continue.

[triflex]

LOL, no one is going to miss Daunte Wright. Most likely Potter has saved a few lives with her mistake.

There are a lot of cops who do things to create circumstances to shoot people for sure. But this was a mistake under pressure.

Some people improve the World be being in it, others by leaving it. Tata Daunte !!!

With the just verdicts in the George Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery, Daunte Wright trials and the indictment of the white female prosecutor in the Arbery case for not doing her job, it's been a bad year for racists and those who think law enforcement should be above the law. May the trend continue.

[ROCKMUP]

She's guilty of involuntary manslaughter, no idea what the laws are in that location.

He's guilty of stupidity and paid the price for it.

[BillY41]

Keyboard comments are interesting. If you feel the conviction is warranted walk in an officers shoes. Then rethink your conviction. Terrible, tragic mistake but that is what it was a mistake

[thevillages2013]

It is sad this happened but amazing that somehow we should feel sorry for the no good hoodlum who was up to no good in his life and was shot.

Not as if the officer has plenty of time to make a decision with their life in serious jeopardy.

I would have reached for my gun and not the taser knowingly. No way I could be a cop and put up with what have to deal with

[Barklee]

Good points

[GOLFER54]

If Wright hadn’t try to flee , none of this would have happened.

[jdulej]

With the just verdicts in the George Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery, Daunte Wright trials and the indictment of the white female prosecutor in the Arbery case for not doing her job, it's been a bad year for racists and those who think law enforcement should be above the law. May the trend continue.
Well said!

[Aviator1211]

In the vast majority of the world (and throughout most of human history) the main motivation to go into law enforcement is/was to collect bribes. Most citizens of this country have no clue how lucky we are to have honest police. Its so sad we are throwing that all away just so members of one political party can gain power through scorched earth policy, and their lapdog media can gain ratings.


What honest man or woman in their right mind would take up a career in law enforcement in today's political climate?


So sad. Very very sad.

[hypart]

In regards to the original post, while surgeons are not held criminally liable for a mistake, they are held monetarily liable by civil law.

Law enforcement personnel have financial immunity if they make a mistake in most cases so they can only be held liable criminally.

Hmmm, so perhaps a good discussion would be should law enforcement personnel be treated like surgeons.

Should police officers lose qualified immunity in exchange for criminal immunity?

[tmbozoki@gmail.com]

Did it say how many times she fired? As CPL holder in Texas and Michigan and retired military, I say if it's one shot, mistake is understood, if more than one that's a tough sell.

[stevekennedy3]

Agree 100%!!!!! Verdict outrageous. The guy was resisting arrest. His behavior caused the police to use lethal force! Appeal! Appeal! Appeal!

[retiredguy123]

Did it say how many times she fired? As CPL holder in Texas and Michigan and retired military, I say if it's one shot, mistake is understood, if more than one that's a tough sell.
One shot

[Byte1]

I sincerely hope she does not get more time than a person that is habitually DUI that strikes and kills a pedestrian, gets. I remember visiting a jail where there were two convicts working in the kitchen. One had received a sentence of one year for his third DUI offense, where he had struck an unoccupied parked car and the other received ten months for manslaughter because he was in a biker gang fight in a restaurant parking lot and shot an employee by mistake. He had been trying to shoot another biker and the employee had just exited the restaurant at the time.
The problem is NOT always the law enforcement officer, but actually the judges and the states attorney and the unbalanced judicial system.

[Susan1717]

If these thug criminals would stop resisting arrest and behave with respect, none of this would have happened. Right or wrong in regards to this case or George Floyd, the police are dealing with despicable criminals that resist arrest, have zero regard for human life let alone the police. I could not imagine being a police person today and have utmost respect for them. This Female officer with a great record now has her life ruined over a scum bag. The criminals have made this a war. It sickens me Floyd is considered a hero. I do not believe in racist behavior, but Floyd was a bad disgusting human. The good police out there should be the hero’s.

[Tuly914]

Was this story all about him being pulled over for having an air freshener hanging from his mirror? Something doesn't seem right here!!

[skarra]

I do feel sorry for the police officer, but I also believe that law enforcement does need to be held to a higher standard. Else “accidents” like this will become the norm.

I do hope that the sentence is light though because I do believe it was an accident. She’s also been through hell already I’m sure (who likes dealing with lawyers and the legal system)

[Michaellinda]

Pistol grip tasers should not be issued to officers. There are many other shaped options. Her department let her and the public down by approving the model taser she had.

PO Potter is also a victim, not a criminal.

[crash]

I could not have voted to convict. She was doing her job, and made a mistake. Surgeons make mistakes that result in death, but they never go to jail.

Wow quite a mistake killed someone. What would you think if it was the other way around and it was the cop who was mistakenly killed.

[crash]

Was this story all about him being pulled over for having an air freshener hanging from his mirror? Something doesn't seem right here!!

There is more to the story but that is why he was pulled over.

[ficoguy]

But look, he got stopped because of a vehicle issue, then didn't have the right documentation, then found out he had an outstanding warrant, then started to resist. So it wasn't like he was targeted and pulled over on a Suday drive to grandma's. I have a brother who is retired law enforcement, and he told me that its something like 50% of minorities who have motor vehicle compliance issues, then no insurance or expired registration, or outstanding bench warrants for child support, missed court dates etc. Then they get belligerant when you question them.

[Eg_cruz]

I could not have voted to convict. She was doing her job, and made a mistake. Surgeons make mistakes that result in death, but they never go to jail.
Great point
My heart is heavy for her

[ChrissyI1]

I could not have voted to convict. She was doing her job, and made a mistake. Surgeons make mistakes that result in death, but they never go to jail.

Kim potter killed an unarmed young man. I feel for her because it was not an intentional act - but an accident. That being said - you can’t kill someone - accidental or not- and not be held responsible in someway. I agree with the jury - they definitely got it right.

[Eg_cruz]

Did it say how many times she fired? As CPL holder in Texas and Michigan and retired military, I say if it's one shot, mistake is understood, if more than one that's a tough sell.
One shot while yelling taser taser taser

[meridian5850]

With the just verdicts in the George Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery, Daunte Wright trials and the indictment of the white female prosecutor in the Arbery case for not doing her job, it's been a bad year for racists and those who think law enforcement should be above the law. May the trend continue.

You forgot to include the Rittenhouse verdict....

[DeanFL]

There is more to the story but that is why he was pulled over.
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The FACTS show that he was pulled over because of an existing aggravated robbery warrant. His FATHER stated it was because of the air freshener, which is reported as untrue. He had multiple criminal charges on his record. Simple to see that he was NOT an upstanding citizen. His Facebook showed him flashing gang symbols and fanning out $$$ hundreds in his hands.

The police cams showed him being cuffed outside his car, he resisted then pushed the other cop, jumped in his car and ready to speed away with the other cop hanging on. That's when Office Potter was ready to tase, but we all know the rest.

So as is the case in almost all of these 'police killings' - the cause was - a criminal - resisting arrest or fleeing - then the action of the police.

We always seem to hear the relatives say "He was such a good boy".... well.... eyes of beholder.

Personally I am ambivalent re this. Glad that I wasn't on the jury. Of course Potter shot and killed him. She was extremely repentant during the trial and her testimony. Should she have received some 'time'? Probably, but if it's the max 30 years - yikes.
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[Eg_cruz]

Was this story all about him being pulled over for having an air freshener hanging from his mirror? Something doesn't seem right here!!
No his tags were expired. He told his mom he was being pull over for the air freshener……

[Eg_cruz]

There is more to the story but that is why he was pulled over.
No he was pulled over because of his expired tags

[Ptmckiou]

She was on the police force for 26 years and was an instructor on use of tasers. Her actions were negligent and shouldn’t be on the force. Manslaughter is appropriate. It’s HER ACTIONS that were on trial, and not the victim’s character.

[jimbomaybe]

Wow quite a mistake killed someone. What would you think if it was the other way around and it was the cop who was mistakenly killed.A street cop works in a war zone, some areas much much more than others, the weapons officers carry is there for the defense of their life or others, how many of the jurors have ever been presented with a possible kill or be killed situation, the sort of situation the police face every time they get involved in a routine street stop, how often have the jurors been involved in mundane situations that suddenly explode in great violence?

[toeser]

I could not have voted to convict. She was doing her job, and made a mistake. Surgeons make mistakes that result in death, but they never go to jail.

Studies from Johns Hopkins and others estimate that 250,000 to 440,000 people are killed each year from medical mistakes. I would guess the number of people going to jail for those mistakes could be counted on one hand.

[jdulej]

Agree 100%!!!!! Verdict outrageous. The guy was resisting arrest. His behavior caused the police to use lethal force! Appeal! Appeal! Appeal!
The way I understand things, the fact that she was yelling "Taser" over and over indicated that she had determined that lethal force was not warranted. Then she shot him with a gun by mistake. Pretty clearly a screw-up which caused the death of an innocent (until proven guilty of something) USA citizen (not that that should make a difference). In most states, doing something like that gets you jail time. I suspect that she will get less than half the time she could get, but it will be years,

[Andyb]

I could not have voted to convict. She was doing her job, and made a mistake. Surgeons make mistakes that result in death, but they never go to jail.
This will set precedence that police will back off arrests in resisting criminals and many police will be quitting. It will
embolden criminals. Now, will self defense be in jeopardy for innocent victims?

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

I agree it was a terrible mistake, but while I think based on the law, a conviction was the right decision, as the innocent verdict was with Rittenhouse -- in fact, what Rittenhouse did was far more egregious -- I also believe the judge should go easy on the sentence. The problem for her was that while the victim did resist arrest, he never in any way threatened the lives of the officers so that use of deadly force was not required.

[fdpaq0580]

[QUOTE=hypart;2042535]
Should police officers lose qualified immunity in exchange for criminal immunity?

I feel for police. They are shackled by rules of conduct that criminals are not. They are expected to deal with persons who, given the opportunity, would kill them rather than look at them. If the criminal becomes violent the police are expected to be ladies and gentlemen and treat the criminal with kid gloves. I believe that, in most cases, escalation into violence is a result of the criminal not following police orders.
Even with all their training, police officers are still human, subject to adrenaline and emotion that comes with tense and potentially deadly situations. Most of us could not handle the jobs they do. Trying to revisit a violent situation after the fact is like armchair quarterbacking a game that you never participated in.
As for criminal immunity for police, no. But I do believe that taking the difficulty of their job into consideration along with extenuating circumstances when trying an incident is essential.

[DeanFL]

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Extremely well said, and I totally agree. When I was a kid, I wanted to be a policeman.
That never happened. I would hate for a relative be one nowadays. So often put in a no-win situation. Horrible.
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[QUOTE=hypart;2042535]
Should police officers lose qualified immunity in exchange for criminal immunity?

I feel for police. They are shackled by rules of conduct that criminals are not. They are expected to deal with persons who, given the opportunity, would kill them rather than look at them. If the criminal becomes violent the police are expected to be ladies and gentlemen and treat the criminal with kid gloves. I believe that, in most cases, escalation into violence is a result of the criminal not following police orders.
Even with all their training, police officers are still human, subject to adrenaline and emotion that comes with tense and potentially deadly situations. Most of us could not handle the jobs they do. Trying to revisit a violent situation after the fact is like armchair quarterbacking a game that you never participated in.
As for criminal immunity for police, no. But I do believe that taking the difficulty of their job into consideration along with extenuating circumstances when trying an incident is essential.

[Bay Kid]

With the just verdicts in the George Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery, Daunte Wright trials and the indictment of the white female prosecutor in the Arbery case for not doing her job, it's been a bad year for racists and those who think law enforcement should be above the law. May the trend continue.

Glad I'm not in law enforcement with criminals total disregard for the law.

[Proveone]

I could not have voted to convict. She was doing her job, and made a mistake. Surgeons make mistakes that result in death, but they never go to jail.
Kim Potter should never have been a police officer. She had sixteen years "experience" and was an instructor for new recruits on the use of a taser and service revolver. She testified that the police should never have stop the car to begin with for a minor traffic offense because of covid exposure. I am sure there are some doctors who have gone to jail for malpractice.

[Don5154]

You sound like a cross eyed lawyer!

No need to name call :bigbow:

[obx2003]

As a retired Federal LEO who served for 28 years, I believe convicting Potter of first degree manslaughter was a major error by the jury, despite the unusual Minnesota laws. This is another example of why young adults will not consider law enforcement careers. The tables are tilted in a negative direction.

[tophcfa]

Kim potter killed an unarmed young man. I feel for her because it was not an intentional act - but an accident. That being said - you can’t kill someone - accidental or not- and not be held responsible in someway. I agree with the jury - they definitely got it right.

Based on your above statements, with your logic applied consistently, Alec Baldwin should also be found guilty.

[dewilson58]

Based on your above statements, with your logic applied consistently, Alec Baldwin should also be found guilty.

:mmmm:

[Petersweeney]

What would have happened if she did not have a taser ?
Tasers only became common in past 35 years.
Another reason not to have females as street cops .

Glad she’s not on the street anymore….

[rshepard]

I have not watched the court case so I do not have an opinion on whether I believe the verdict was the right one.
However, looking back on many of these police shootings/killings, a common thread: resisting arrest. If G.Floyd, E.Garner, M.Brown, et al., comply, like society demands they comply, they'd all be alive today.
Where are the minority leaders when this kind of leadership would save lives ?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

This will set precedence that police will back off arrests in resisting criminals and many police will be quitting. It will
embolden criminals. Now, will self defense be in jeopardy for innocent victims?

I have more faith in the intelligence of police officers than you do I guess.

I think it'll set the precedence of more and superior training in the use of tasers, possibly a new design so that there's no way to confuse the two, and possibly even new holster designs so that tasers will be located at a completely different part of the uniform as a gun, making it even MORE difficult to confuse the two.

Perhaps a taser will require a different holster latch and be pulled by the officer's "off-hand" rather than their primary hand.

I think it'll make officers who use tasers in their job, more aware of which they're using. It will become more instinctual so that in that last split-second when they have to pull SOMETHING out of a holster, they'll pull the right thing.

[Hacker1]

A criminal with a 20-year rap sheet (out on a $500 bail), brutalizes, including running over with his vehicle, the mother of his child - is released on $2000 bail, then promptly drives into a Christmas parade, kills 6 & injures 60+ innocent victims - this time held on $2 million bail. On the other hand, Kim Potter has exemplary record including 26 years on police force with no incidents, accidentally kills a criminal, is held WITHOUT bail!! This just does not feel right nor just.

[jimbomaybe]

We couldn't agree more. I read the post about the legislature and if that is true, all the police should leave minnesota and let them defend themselves. If this hoodlum had obeyed the authority of the police, didn't resist and attempt to flee, he'd be alive today to eventually get out and terrorize others. That's what people like this do who are coddled by society. This is why more people are moving to red states, leaving the stupidity of blue states - we just hope they leave their stinking thinking behind and embrace the wholesome freedom of law abiding red states. We're not perfect, nothing is - but these folks are literally insane. Defund the police, another great liberal idea. Oh yeah, and this idea of systemic racism is pure non sense - they have just revealed their own racism and made race relations worse. moving to another state will work, I moved from Illinois,
every day it is becoming more and more the "liberal Paradise" I had a card carrying liberal next door who told me he was considering moving after listing all the on going and increasing problems state wide, my response was "and then you will vote to do there what you have done here?"

[jimbomaybe]

I have more faith in the intelligence of police officers than you do I guess.

I think it'll set the precedence of more and superior training in the use of tasers, possibly a new design so that there's no way to confuse the two, and possibly even new holster designs so that tasers will be located at a completely different part of the uniform as a gun, making it even MORE difficult to confuse the two.

Perhaps a taser will require a different holster latch and be pulled by the officer's "off-hand" rather than their primary hand.

I think it'll make officers who use tasers in their job, more aware of which they're using. It will become more instinctual so that in that last split-second when they have to pull SOMETHING out of a holster, they'll pull the right thing. I think you are right to depend on the intelligence of the average police officer, our society has decided it doesn't want the police to be proactive, they need to think like a defense attorney, if you can think of ANY possible reason not to make a traffic/street stop don't, if you can think of ANY reason not to make an arrest don't, if there is ANY reason to think what you see isn't criminal don't interfere, there buy keeping themselves safe, complying with what is required, of course you have a 30% increase in homicides nation wide (statically higher in areas where is has been a bigger problem ) as we march towards nirvana finding the perfect way to train for the chaos of unscripted violent confrontations

[Byte1]

Wow quite a mistake killed someone. What would you think if it was the other way around and it was the cop who was mistakenly killed.

What would you say to someone that backs out of a driveway and runs over and kills someone? That is vehicular manslaughter. Should they go to jail?
What if a drunk stumbles into your home and you shoot him? He made a mistake and had no intention of breaking into your home. He thought he was home when he broke into your home. You killed him, so should you go to jail for it?

I don't know all the specifics of this case, but there is many times in a police career where that officer must make a split second decision to act on an exigent circumstance. The totality of the circumstances should be considered. If there was no intent, then it is manslaughter. If it was accidental then it would be involuntary manslaughter. Was it negligent or not? Was the officer attempting in good faith to do her job when it occurred? Was she distracted? Was she scared?
Circumstances.

[Stu from NYC]

Based on your above statements, with your logic applied consistently, Alec Baldwin should also be found guilty.

Involuntary manslaughter seems to fit what he did.

[Stu from NYC]

I think you are right to depend on the intelligence of the average police officer, our society has decided it doesn't want the police to be proactive, they need to think like a defense attorney, if you can think of ANY possible reason not to make a traffic/street stop don't, if you can think of ANY reason not to make an arrest don't, if there is ANY reason to think what you see isn't criminal don't interfere, there buy keeping themselves safe, complying with what is required, of course you have a 30% increase in homicides nation wide (statically higher in areas where is has been a bigger problem ) as we march towards nirvana finding the perfect way to train for the chaos of unscripted violent confrontations

Many of the people who thought it was a good idea to defund the police are coming to the realization of what they have done.

[toeser]

Parking someone with no criminal history in jail for many years for a mistake accomplishes absolutely nothing and just takes up good jail space.

A sentence of five years of community service would allow some good to come out of this terrible situation.

[manaboutown]

I could not have voted to convict. She was doing her job, and made a mistake. Surgeons make mistakes that result in death, but they never go to jail.

It seems no good deed goes unpunished these days.

Given the thug's criminal past, armed robbery and much more, it is possible he could have been going for a gun, which would justify shooting him. Perhaps if she would have called out "Stop or I'll shoot!" (meaning my gun) and then shot him she might still be a LEO. Instead, to be a nice gal, she only threatened the violent thug evading arrest with a non-deadly taser and in the heat of a split second act mistakenly pulled out her sidearm and shot him.

[Taltarzac725]

Daunte Wright death: US '''Taser mix-up''' ex-officer guilty of manslaughter - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59776917)

This seems to explain why the jury found how it did.

[jimjamuser]

I could not have voted to convict. She was doing her job, and made a mistake. Surgeons make mistakes that result in death, but they never go to jail.
if I was an advisor to Police Department, I would suggest that they wear their holster for the Taser on their dominant side and their service pistol (often Glock) on their non-dominant side - where they would have to use a cross-draw. That would be harder to mistake! And some shooters believe that a cross-draw is faster.

[Ramone]

No, I agree with retired guy, and I watched every minuter of trial and hearth Minn Law. Lessor charges should have been brought but the State A.G. Ellison wanted some white meat.

[dewilson58]

if I was an advisor to Police Department, I would suggest that they wear their holster for the Taser on their dominant side and their service pistol (often Glock) on their non-dominant side -

too late, many do

[dewilson58]

anytime you resist arrest, you might get shot

[jimjamuser]

In the vast majority of the world (and throughout most of human history) the main motivation to go into law enforcement is/was to collect bribes. Most citizens of this country have no clue how lucky we are to have honest police. Its so sad we are throwing that all away just so members of one political party can gain power through scorched earth policy, and their lapdog media can gain ratings.


What honest man or woman in their right mind would take up a career in law enforcement in today's political climate?


So sad. Very very sad.
Probably retired military personnel that like to make extra money.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Many of the people who thought it was a good idea to defund the police are coming to the realization of what they have done.

Yes, but the primary issue is the lack of common sense to have easily deduced what was going to occur.

It's great to realize you made a mistake. But if someone did not realize in the first place that lessening accountability and consequences for already-illegal behavior would result in mass lawlessness, then that person is the problem, regardless of their new-found revelation they made a mistake.

That's like me thinking how much fun it would be to tie a cinderblock to my friend's ankle when we go swimming. Then after he drowns, I realize it might have been a mistake. The problem is that I didn't realize that common sense deduced result prior to tying the brick to his feet.

[jimjamuser]

Was this story all about him being pulled over for having an air freshener hanging from his mirror? Something doesn't seem right here!!
How did you get my wife's picture? ......If Police controlled robots and drones from a bulletproof car or remote location, that would take the tension down for the Police and they might NOT have to make such quick decisions in tricky situations. It is just a matter of time and technology improvement for this to improve the situation for both the perpetrator and responders.

[skyking]

"The first charge against Potter - first-degree manslaughter - is applied to cases in which the defendant causes someone's death while attempting to commit a lesser crime."

What lesser crime was Potter attempting to commit?

Not sure about second degree manslaughter, but this was NOT first degree manslaughter.

[jimbomaybe]

Many of the people who thought it was a good idea to defund the police are coming to the realization of what they have done. Oh it was a good idea, many have made great political capital out of it, like any politically inspired disaster they now back and fill, make excuses, finesse what they have said, with the media helping to do a little creative history writing, I hope to live long enough to hears some politician , right , left, center, outer space , any ideology admit to stupidity

[jimjamuser]

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Extremely well said, and I totally agree. When I was a kid, I wanted to be a policeman.
That never happened. I would hate for a relative be one nowadays. So often put in a no-win situation. Horrible.
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[QUOTE=fdpaq0580;2042604]
True, Police are put into no-win situations a lot because of the nature of their job. But, they get training and mentoring and, most of all, higher pay to compensate for those no-win situations.

[jimjamuser]

I have more faith in the intelligence of police officers than you do I guess.

I think it'll set the precedence of more and superior training in the use of tasers, possibly a new design so that there's no way to confuse the two, and possibly even new holster designs so that tasers will be located at a completely different part of the uniform as a gun, making it even MORE difficult to confuse the two.

Perhaps a taser will require a different holster latch and be pulled by the officer's "off-hand" rather than their primary hand.

I think it'll make officers who use tasers in their job, more aware of which they're using. It will become more instinctual so that in that last split-second when they have to pull SOMETHING out of a holster, they'll pull the right thing.
I am in COMPLETE agreement and I wrote about the same thing before I got to your pg 4 post. Same general idea!

[JMintzer]

How did you get my wife's picture? ......If Police controlled robots and drones from a bulletproof car or remote location, that would take the tension down for the Police and they might NOT have to make such quick decisions in tricky situations. It is just a matter of time and technology improvement for this to improve the situation for both the perpetrator and responders.

What could possibly go wrong?

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/91IZIG74ZiL._SY679_.jpg

[JMintzer]

[QUOTE=DeanFL;2042606].
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Extremely well said, and I totally agree. When I was a kid, I wanted to be a policeman.
That never happened. I would hate for a relative be one nowadays. So often put in a no-win situation. Horrible.
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True, Police are put into no-win situations a lot because of the nature of their job. But, they get training and mentoring and, most of all, higher pay to compensate for those no-win situations.

Higher pay???

[Northwoods]

What would have happened if she did not have a taser ?
Tasers only became common in past 35 years.
Another reason not to have females as street cops .

Mikenbats66 help me out here... why exactly do you feel that females should not be street cops?

[diva1]

It is sad this happened but amazing that somehow we should feel sorry for the no good hoodlum who was up to no good in his life and was shot.

Not as if the officer has plenty of time to make a decision with their life in serious jeopardy.

Not just shot....killed. So if you commit crimes in your past it is OK to kill you later on? Oh please! She made a mistake....but a deadly one. It is her job to know the difference between a taser and a gun! And, yes, sometimes doctors go to jail if they are grossly negligent like this woman was here.

[WesMan]

I could not have voted to convict. She was doing her job, and made a mistake. Surgeons make mistakes that result in death, but they never go to jail.

You are totally correct!!!!!!!

[crash]

But look, he got stopped because of a vehicle issue, then didn't have the right documentation, then found out he had an outstanding warrant, then started to resist. So it wasn't like he was targeted and pulled over on a Suday drive to grandma's. I have a brother who is retired law enforcement, and he told me that its something like 50% of minorities who have motor vehicle compliance issues, then no insurance or expired registration, or outstanding bench warrants for child support, missed court dates etc. Then they get belligerant when you question them.

No it is exactly like that if but for the air freshener and being black he would not of been pulled over. Not questioning if he should of been arrested for the warrant he should of been but not shot even by accident.

[Mrwaynet@gmail.com]

Keyboard comments are interesting. If you feel the conviction is warranted walk in an officers shoes. Then rethink your conviction. Terrible, tragic mistake but that is what it was a mistake

Walk in a person of color shoes. Don’t give me that. She knew what the hell she was doing. If you don’t know the difference between a teaser and a gun you shouldn’t be a police officer. How can she be a training officer.

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

moving to another state will work, I moved from Illinois,
every day it is becoming more and more the "liberal Paradise" I had a card carrying liberal next door who told me he was considering moving after listing all the on going and increasing problems state wide, my response was "and then you will vote to do there what you have done here?"

You're not supposed to be making "political" statements. I myself have been penalized for saying less.

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Mikenbats66 help me out here... why exactly do you feel that females should not be street cops?

I would not say she should not have been a cop, but she should not have been in a role that required a firearm. The problem in our society is that we have too many guns (more guns by 25 percent than people) and this has made the role of police officer much more stressful and dangerous. Consequently, as gun ownership goes up, there are more of these unnecessary and tragic shootings by police.

[BlackHarley]

In regards to the original post, while surgeons are not held criminally liable for a mistake, they are held monetarily liable by civil law.

Law enforcement personnel have financial immunity if they make a mistake in most cases so they can only be held liable criminally.

Hmmm, so perhaps a good discussion would be should law enforcement personnel be treated like surgeons.

Should police officers lose qualified immunity in exchange for criminal immunity?
Maybe cops should carry malpractice insurance.

[Ele201]

That sounds sexist. What would have happened if she did not have a taser ?
Tasers only became common in past 35 years.
Another reason not to have females as street cops .

[MidWestIA]

surgeons lose millions in malpractice law suits and get uncertified as doctors

[cj1040]

If the young man had simply complied with the traffic stop and not started the scuffle, and if the officer had pulled her taser instead of her gun this would not have been in the news and she would still have her career and her pension. As the footage shows, she was immediately horrified at what had happened. I do not believe she deserves jail time....very sad.




I could not have voted to convict. She was doing her job, and made a mistake. Surgeons make mistakes that result in death, but they never go to jail.

[Belmont4-150]

I could not have voted to convict. She was doing her job, and made a mistake. Surgeons make mistakes that result in death, but they never go to jail.

Poor analogy. Surgeons work to save lives at all times. Medical mistakes are covered by insurance. Horribly bad judgement gets medical practitioners banned and they do get jail time
This officer states that she grabbed her gun instead of her taser. I own neither but I’m sure I could tell the difference without looking, just by holding them. Also, I’m sure that the gun belongs in a certain place on their belt as does the taser. Officers should know the difference. Lastly, she fired, knowingly and willingly. I’m sure there are many instances where an office is accused of excessive force when they should not be. I don’t believe that this is one of those cases.

[Caymus]

Maybe cops should carry malpractice insurance.

And how much would salaries increase to cover the cost of the insurance?

[jammaiora]

I have read all of the responses and agreed with maybe three points of realistic views. The remainder smack of racism. Kim Potter showed how she was incompetent to be a police officer. She was an instructor for new recruits and stated at trial that the original officers should have never stopped the car for a minor violation (they were told not to stop cars because of the possible exposure to covid). Brown and black people are stopped all the time because of racist cops and fear for their lives because of trigger happy police. That is probably why he tried to flee. If you think she should go free, then I feel Rittenhouse should be in jail for life! Someone said police are not paid enough, which is not true. Police are paid plenty and can retire at full retirement at 20 years, not to mention that they have civil immunity for their actions. There are some good police personnel but they are in the minority. Too many of the bad ones came out of the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars - macho trigger happy "warriors".

[Frame44]

“Doctors make mistakes but don’t go to jail”, unless they are charge criminally. Watch “Dr Death” or read the magazine article. Officer Potter made a grave mistake. Very different than the story I have referenced.
My husband and I were discussing this just last night. Police officers would benefit from this type malpractice system in their profession, too. If their actions rise to level of criminal than so be it. I do have sympathy for this woman but will say this was a shockingly rookie mistake for a 26 year veteran. Unless you do “life and death” everyday, it’s really difficult to have the skill set to empathize w what split second decision means. It’s different when you can converse about it than when you are in the situation.

[Caymus]

[QUOTE=jammaiora;2042801 There are some good police personnel but they are in the minority. [/QUOTE]

Some? So in your expert opinion is it greater than 5%?

[jimbomaybe]

You're not supposed to be making "political" statements. I myself have been penalized for saying less. I made no reference to political party, there being a difference between ideology and political party, I don't think one would have much trouble finding persons of any party where some would agree and some disagree, perhaps your implied criticism of the moderator is more of an ideological difference with my comment

[Frame44]

He may be a lawyer but not cross-eyed. The version the public consumes via the media is oversimplified and meant to bend to their narrative. The law is intricate and nuanced. What he explained about the law is exactly right. What was the LAW in MN? How was it violated? Can it be proven? The law doesn’t always come down to right and wrong sometimes it has to do with not being allowed to introduce certain types of evidence, or witnesses not being allowed by both sides, for example. Law is more complicated than us non-attorneys make it.

[jimbomaybe]

I would not say she should not have been a cop, but she should not have been in a role that required a firearm. The problem in our society is that we have too many guns (more guns by 25 percent than people) and this has made the role of police officer much more stressful and dangerous. Consequently, as gun ownership goes up, there are more of these unnecessary and tragic shootings by police. In this day and age how could she be a police officer and not be able to carry a weapon? Police departments in many jurisdictions are facing an exodus of officers, they are just not going to do what they asked to faced with with the current atmosphere, The second amendment was intended to protect the citizenry from an oppressive government, it never occurred to the framers that citizens would lose faith in the governments willingness/ability to protect them from other citizens and of course there are always those who abuse rights and privilege and now many are in fear of those persons

[Jokomo]

I could not have voted to convict. She was doing her job, and made a mistake. Surgeons make mistakes that result in death, but they never go to jail.

I’m glad you weren’t on the jury since it appears you’ve made up your mind without hearing the evidence presented to the jury.

[airstreamingypsy]

A street cop works in a war zone, some areas much much more than others, the weapons officers carry is there for the defense of their life or others, how many of the jurors have ever been presented with a possible kill or be killed situation, the sort of situation the police face every time they get involved in a routine street stop, how often have the jurors been involved in mundane situations that suddenly explode in great violence?

"Be killed" he was trying to run away, not kill her. They knew him, they knew where he lived. They could have just gone to his house and arrested him. Instead they pull him over and get all aggressive and scare him half to death, then he tries to run..... this was hardly a kill or be killed situation.

[airstreamingypsy]

you are a complete utter loon, they were all criminals, they should move next to you

You do know police are suppose to protect and serve right, not be judge, jury and executioner.

[donassaid]

What kind of verdict do you expect in a lawless Democratic stronghold where the "rights" of criminals outweigh the rights of police officers and law abiding citizens? Tge fact is that every single one of these perps who have been killed by police officers would still be alive today if they had not resisted arrest including George Floyd.

[JMintzer]

No it is exactly like that if but for the air freshener and being black he would not of been pulled over. Not questioning if he should of been arrested for the warrant he should of been but not shot even by accident.

Tell me you didn't pay attention to the trial without telling me you didn't pay attention to the trial...

He was pulled over for expired tags...

[JMintzer]

I would not say she should not have been a cop, but she should not have been in a role that required a firearm. The problem in our society is that we have too many guns (more guns by 25 percent than people) and this has made the role of police officer much more stressful and dangerous. Consequently, as gun ownership goes up, there are more of these unnecessary and tragic shootings by police.

You forgot to differentiate between LEGAL and ILLEGAL gun owners...

[JMintzer]

surgeons lose millions in malpractice law suits and get uncertified as doctors

Insurance companies lose millions...

[JMintzer]

I have read all of the responses and agreed with maybe three points of realistic views. The remainder smack of racism. Kim Potter showed how she was incompetent to be a police officer. She was an instructor for new recruits and stated at trial that the original officers should have never stopped the car for a minor violation (they were told not to stop cars because of the possible exposure to covid). Brown and black people are stopped all the time because of racist cops and fear for their lives because of trigger happy police. That is probably why he tried to flee. If you think she should go free, then I feel Rittenhouse should be in jail for life! Someone said police are not paid enough, which is not true. Police are paid plenty and can retire at full retirement at 20 years, not to mention that they have civil immunity for their actions. There are some good police personnel but they are in the minority. Too many of the bad ones came out of the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars - macho trigger happy "warriors".

The average salary in Minneapolis is about $60K... Not exactly "plenty"...

And to compare this case to the Rittenhouse case is folly. Apples and Kumquats...

[JMintzer]

I’m glad you weren’t on the jury since it appears you’ve made up your mind without hearing the evidence presented to the jury.

As did all of the people commenting on this thread...

[JMintzer]

"Be killed" he was trying to run away, not kill her. They knew him, they knew where he lived. They could have just gone to his house and arrested him. Instead they pull him over and get all aggressive and scare him half to death, then he tries to run..... this was hardly a kill or be killed situation.

You missed the part about the other officer being partially inside the car when they tried to drive away...

And just let him go and then show up at his house? Sure, go to a place where they have no idea who's there, if they're armed, if they're walking into an ambush... No thanks...

[fdpaq0580]

"Be killed" he was trying to run away, not kill her. They knew him, they knew where he lived. They could have just gone to his house and arrested him. Instead they pull him over and get all aggressive and scare him half to death, then he tries to run..... this was hardly a kill or be killed situation.

Thanks for clearing this up since it sounds like you were there and knew for a "fact" that he wasn't going for a weapon.

[JMintzer]

Thanks for clearing this up since it sounds like you were there and knew for a "fact" that he wasn't going for a weapon.

Or hit/drag the officer who was trying to cuff him...

[kathy1516]

She deserved zero criminal charges! I wish I was on that jury as I would NEVER agree with charges for a police officer who more likely than not saved many lives with this piece of crap gone. May people start protesting in favor of this hero cop for her heroic action. She needs to be released and I hope the attorney’s groups who free people on unjust charges takes this case ASAP!!

[fdpaq0580]

As did all of the people commenting on this thread...

I was not at the scene. I didn't see all the evidence. I was not in the courtroom. I did not hear the instructions to the jury. I did not participate in the jury deliberations. Therefore, I am not qualified to have an official decision on the result of this case.
However, I have the right to an opinion. My opinion is that if perps knew they could/would be shot for attempting to flee they may not attempt it and live to see another day.

[valuemkt]

After duly pondering posting, at the advice of another poster, I join the posters who support law enforcement, and dismiss the WOKE posters who declare anything that goes towards law and order as racist. We have had enough statues torn down that celebrate our Founders and Forefathers. We do not need statues glorifying criminals. YES CRIMINALS. If you dont break the law, and you don;t resist arrest, you probably won't get killed. Black, White, Green or Purple. Who would want to be a law enforcement officer in NYC, California or Minnesota ? Or a business owner that could be a victim of Smash and Grab, $ 950 free shoplifting sprees etc ? For me, I look forward to the resurrection of the Pinkertons to protect property rights .. Until the legislatures grow a pair and go back to locking up criminals and stop vilifying police and other law enforcement, law abiding people and business owners need to enact any form of property protection. Those states and others have re-enacted the Wild Wild West, and soon the streets will have more bad guys lying on their backs dead in the street. If a carrot doesnt work, you have to use the stick ..

[Ralphy]

With my cable service, the only testimony that I could watch was her testimony. I have since read several articles about other testimony. One question that her attorney asked her surprised me as to why it was asked. Having served on several juries, I know that all questions are asked for a reason and the witnesses are coached as to how to answer the question and also how to act. The question was in regard to her, as a training officer, not correcting what a rookie does incorrectly in front of a civilian. I can understand doing this unless it created an unsafe situation. This caused me to wonder if the rookie did something wrong, that caused an unsafe condition, that she did not correct? I talked to a couple of former POs that I know who confirmed my suspicion that she could have stopped the situation if she corrected his mistakes. First, the person exited the car and left the keys in the ignition with the car running. These are two violations of standard procedure. He was standing next to the open car door which are two more violations of procedure. If she had corrected any of these items, the shooting would not have occurred. I believe that if she had not been convicted, many police shootings would be blamed on mistaking their gun for a taser. Which brings up another point. She had just finished her annual taser training the previous month. During that training, she was taught that you do not use a taser on a fleeing person or a person behind the wheel of a vehicle that has the engine running. She was also reminded that to remove a gun from her holster, she must push it forward to be able to remove it. To remove her taser, which is on the other side of her gun belt, she must press a button and push the taser toward the rear to be able to remove it. I am not inferring that this happened in this incident, but a dirty PO, who wanted to shoot a no-good crook, would well taser, taser, taser so that their fellow POs would more away so they would not be shot.

[airdote22]

There are hundreds being killed every day in this country due to an accident caused by someone else, be it on a highway, at a job site or at home. Most get very little coverage
outside their local area and as it is an accident, it is no big deal for the press.

[skyking]

Walk in a person of color shoes. Don’t give me that. She knew what the hell she was doing. If you don’t know the difference between a teaser and a gun you shouldn’t be a police officer. How can she be a training officer.

What's a "teaser"?

[Lindsyburnsy]

Kyle Rittenhouse beat up a girl and was seen giving the white power hand signal while standing in a photo at a proud boys white supremacy function. Jury never got that information either.

The female cop didn’t know of Mr Wright’s rap sheet when he was shot. He was pulled over for having an air freshener hanging from his mirror.

The laws never seem in pursuit of the truth. Information is always being blocked.

Same thing going on with the Jan 6th insurrection. . Lawsuit after lawsuit trying to block the truth from being exposed to the public. Of course you won’t hear about it on conservative cable “news”.

QUOTE=manaboutown;2042440]Her convictions are totally unwarranted. I wonder how many jurors felt fearful of riots and/or were contacted by criminals who threatened them, their families and/or their property.

This should get corrected on appeal.

Wrong Charges Filed Against Kimberly Potter for Duante Wright Death (https://www.natlawreview.com/article/unwinnable-case-against-kimberly-potter)

Anybody get a good look at the horrific criminal record of the vicious felon she mistakenly shot with her gun instead of her taser in the heat of the moment?

"The previously undisclosed 2017 felony petition, obtained by Fox News Digital, alleges that Wright broke into a home before the homeowner, who was in the basement, emerged upstairs and chased him out.

A 38-year-old man identified only as J.M. told police he recognized Wright as a "former acquaintance of his son" when the doorbell rang on Jan. 30, 2017.

"J.M. stated that he did not want to respond to the doorbell and ignored [Wright]," the petition states.

Then Wright walked behind the house and knocked at the back door, according to the court document. When no one answered, he allegedly took down the screen on the bathroom window and crawled inside. At that point, J.M. chased him out.

It’s unclear how the juvenile case was resolved. A spokeswoman for Ben Crump, the attorney representing Wright’s family, did not immediately respond to a request for comment."

"Wright also had armed robbery charges pending at the time of his death. And a pair of lawsuits filed after his death accuse him of shooting a teen in the head and taking part in a carjacking in which an accomplice allegedly shot a young man through the leg.

In the robbery case, Wright allegedly closed one hand around a 20-year-old woman’s throat, choking her, while shoving a gun barrel in her face and demanding cash she had hidden in her bra."

From: Kim Potter trial: Daunte Wright, repeat offender killed by ex-cop, appears in yet another felony complaint | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/kim-potter-trial-daunte-wright-another-felony-complaint)


It will become increasingly difficult to find good folks agreeable to take on careers in law enforcement if such travesties continue.[/QUOTE]

[CMKKS]

To say you "wonder" how many jurors were intimidated when there has been no hint of that happening is reprehensible.

Yes, the victim was no great loss to society. But Potter knew nothing g of this "previously undisclosed felony," and even if she did, it was irrelevant. Police officers are neither judges nor juries. It's their job to apprehend, not to sentence nor carry out that sentence. Further, the issue here was whether a veteran officer who even trained others could have confused a gun with a yellow-handled taser on her opposite hip. I don't know if I would have voted to convict, because I didn't watch all of the trial. I do know I would not want her on the police force in my town.

[KYtoTV2021]

To say you "wonder" how many jurors were intimidated when there has been no hint of that happening is reprehensible.

Yes, the victim was no great loss to society. But Potter knew nothing g of this "previously undisclosed felony," and even if she did, it was irrelevant. Police officers are neither judges nor juries. It's their job to apprehend, not to sentence nor carry out that sentence. Further, the issue here was whether a veteran officer who even trained others could have confused a gun with a yellow-handled taser on her opposite hip. I don't know if I would have voted to convict, because I didn't watch all of the trial. I do know I would not want her on the police force in my town.
Monday morning quarterbacks are pathetic. Cops need to make ONE_SECOND decisions sometimes. How many of us have to make one-second decisions that can have life and death results? Way less than 1%.
Police and military folks run TO the risk while the rest of us run AWAY from trouble.
We need to give police and the military the benefit of the doubt!

[Pilodent]

Her convictions are totally unwarranted. I wonder how many jurors felt fearful of riots and/or were contacted by criminals who threatened them, their families and/or their property.

This should get corrected on appeal.

Wrong Charges Filed Against Kimberly Potter for Duante Wright Death (https://www.natlawreview.com/article/unwinnable-case-against-kimberly-potter)

Anybody get a good look at the horrific criminal record of the vicious felon she mistakenly shot with her gun instead of her taser in the heat of the moment?

"The previously undisclosed 2017 felony petition, obtained by Fox News Digital, alleges that Wright broke into a home before the homeowner, who was in the basement, emerged upstairs and chased him out.

A 38-year-old man identified only as J.M. told police he recognized Wright as a "former acquaintance of his son" when the doorbell rang on Jan. 30, 2017.

"J.M. stated that he did not want to respond to the doorbell and ignored [Wright]," the petition states.

Then Wright walked behind the house and knocked at the back door, according to the court document. When no one answered, he allegedly took down the screen on the bathroom window and crawled inside. At that point, J.M. chased him out.

It’s unclear how the juvenile case was resolved. A spokeswoman for Ben Crump, the attorney representing Wright’s family, did not immediately respond to a request for comment."

"Wright also had armed robbery charges pending at the time of his death. And a pair of lawsuits filed after his death accuse him of shooting a teen in the head and taking part in a carjacking in which an accomplice allegedly shot a young man through the leg.

In the robbery case, Wright allegedly closed one hand around a 20-year-old woman’s throat, choking her, while shoving a gun barrel in her face and demanding cash she had hidden in her bra."

From: Kim Potter trial: Daunte Wright, repeat offender killed by ex-cop, appears in yet another felony complaint | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/kim-potter-trial-daunte-wright-another-felony-complaint)


It will become increasingly difficult to find good folks agreeable to take on careers in law enforcement if such travesties continue.
All who have an opinion about this case should read this biography of this criminal and the mayhem & torture he inflicted on others. Give Kim a raise.

[JMintzer]

I was not at the scene. I didn't see all the evidence. I was not in the courtroom. I did not hear the instructions to the jury. I did not participate in the jury deliberations. Therefore, I am not qualified to have an official decision on the result of this case.
However, I have the right to an opinion. My opinion is that if perps knew they could/would be shot for attempting to flee they may not attempt it and live to see another day.

You DID read the comment to which my quoted reply was directed, right?

[JMintzer]

Kyle Rittenhouse beat up a girl and was seen giving the white power hand signal while standing in a photo at a proud boys white supremacy function. Jury never got that information either.

Incorrect...

The female cop didn’t know of Mr Wright’s rap sheet when he was shot. He was pulled over for having an air freshener hanging from his mirror.

You forgot the part about the expired tags...

[JMintzer]

Monday morning quarterbacks are pathetic. Cops need to make ONE_SECOND decisions sometimes. How many of us have to make one-second decisions that can have life and death results? Way less than 1%.
Police and military folks run TO the risk while the rest of us run AWAY from trouble.
We need to give police and the military the benefit of the doubt!

There was an anti-police journalist who was invited to take part in a "shoot/don't shoot" training exercise.

He failed miserably and it left him with a newfound appreciation of the difficult decisions cops make every day...

Activist critical of police undergoes use of force scenarios | FOX 10 News - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g)


Shoot or don’t shoot? Reporters try new use of force training at Boynton Beach Police Department - YouTube (https://youtu.be/kadV_eTqkWI)

[Pat#79Luv]

I personally knew Officer Potter. I was a dispatcher for the Hennepin County Sheriffs Office for 23 years of my 36 year career as a dispatcher. We dispatched for the city that Officer Potter worked for. She was a fine upstanding officer. She made a fatal error that day. Police officers are humans, not robots. Just like a doctor is a human and not a machine. If the doctor accidentally kills someone, she/he is not charged for manslaughter, but simply goes on living their life. If Mr. Wright would have complied, he would be here today living his life.

Obviously this was not an easy decision for the jury, but I do believe other incidents that have been happening influenced their verdict. I believe they were afraid of what would happen to the twin cities and the country if they did not find her guilty.

This was a very sad day for Law Enforcement. No one will want the job of a police officer again. It is a hard job and if you have no backing who will choose to work in that field. We will end up being policed by the military. Won’t that be interesting for career criminals.

Like I said earlier, I was a dispatcher for 36 years. Years ago for every police officer position that was open 100’s of candidates would apply. Six years ago, when I retired, they were lucky if they could get a handful of men and women to apply for the job and to try to find a good one from a handful was not always easy. When something like this happens to one of the good ones, why would anyone choose this profession. I would bet you would steer your son/daughter, grandson/granddaughter into another profession these days. Just ponder what our country will be like down the road when no one goes into the law enforcement field. I, for one, hope I am no longer alive when it comes to that.

[CMKKS]

Oh please. Like that hasn't been what happens forever.

[jdulej]

I personally knew Officer Potter. I was a dispatcher for the Hennepin County Sheriffs Office for 23 years of my 36 year career as a dispatcher. We dispatched for the city that Officer Potter worked for. She was a fine upstanding officer. She made a fatal error that day. Police officers are humans, not robots. Just like a doctor is a human and not a machine. If the doctor accidentally kills someone, she/he is not charged for manslaughter, but simply goes on living their life. If Mr. Wright would have complied, he would be here today living his life.

Obviously this was not an easy decision for the jury, but I do believe other incidents that have been happening influenced their verdict. I believe they were afraid of what would happen to the twin cities and the country if they did not find her guilty.

This was a very sad day for Law Enforcement. No one will want the job of a police officer again. It is a hard job and if you have no backing who will choose to work in that field. We will end up being policed by the military. Won’t that be interesting for career criminals.

Like I said earlier, I was a dispatcher for 36 years. Years ago for every police officer position that was open 100’s of candidates would apply. Six years ago, when I retired, they were lucky if they could get a handful of men and women to apply for the job and to try to find a good one from a handful was not always easy. When something like this happens to one of the good ones, why would anyone choose this profession. I would bet you would steer your son/daughter, grandson/granddaughter into another profession these days. Just ponder what our country will be like down the road when no one goes into the law enforcement field. I, for one, hope I am no longer alive when it comes to that.

Maybe it's time to rethink the role of the police and what type of person would make a good police officer. I know BLM and Defund The Police are triggers that get many here riled up, but my understanding of their goal was just that (for the majority, there are fringes that go too far)
If you cannot find qualified people to hire, possibly you are the problem. If you can't keep the peace even with a patrol car on every corner (Chicago?) perhaps it's time to try another approach?
The so-called War on Drugs was a good example of what not to do. Billions upon billions wasted with zero results - anyone think our drug problems have gotten better? We have jails full of low level dealers costing 50-60K/year to house, and they are immediately replaced on the street with no impact at all.
IMO, the first step is to admit that the current approach is not working, and new solutions are needed - not just throw more money at it.

[Two Bills]

I have no idea what is the solution to what seems a lack of respect that modern society has for any figure of authority.
Where I grew up in UK as a kid, police officers were on foot, knew the people on their beat, and most of all, they knew all the local villains and tearaways.
HQ. then decided to reduce numbers, put the coppers in cars, and from that day, policing went downhill.
Put the local cops back on foot, so they can interact with their communities once again.
Keep the cars for the rural areas, and getting extra support in emergecies.
That would be my solution.

[PugMom]

:bigbow::pray: correct again!

[jimbomaybe]

Maybe it's time to rethink the role of the police and what type of person would make a good police officer. I know BLM and Defund The Police are triggers that get many here riled up, but my understanding of their goal was just that (for the majority, there are fringes that go too far)
If you cannot find qualified people to hire, possibly you are the problem. If you can't keep the peace even with a patrol car on every corner (Chicago?) perhaps it's time to try another approach?
The so-called War on Drugs was a good example of what not to do. Billions upon billions wasted with zero results - anyone think our drug problems have gotten better? We have jails full of low level dealers costing 50-60K/year to house, and they are immediately replaced on the street with no impact at all.
IMO, the first step is to admit that the current approach is not working, and new solutions are needed - not just throw more money at it.

Every day it seems we see new headlines ,videos of just how well the new progressive programs and ideas are working, defunding the police in areas devastated by crime, a no brainer , why have we never thought of this before, Restorative Justice, no bond . low bond back out on the street, their not criminals just misunderstood and haven't talked to their therapist yet a few more thefts, assaults, a felony it not the point, keeping them locked up isn't good for them

[spd2918]

This incident was the result of a combative suspect and an officer that made a mistake. It's as simple as that. There are 1,000s of police contacts every day that end with injuries to no one. Police shootings / deaths of suspects are still very rare.

The problem is a culture that teaches the police are all racists that seek to murder people. It's completely insane. Such teachings lead to more resistance and more injuries and deaths. Don't want the police to use force? Don't resist.

Consider the motivations of the BLM leaders. Consider their clearly stated political goals. I cant post them here, but you can look them up.

[44Apple]

Next time I am pulled over for speeding, I'm going to tell the cop I made a mistake, please don't give me a ticket. It wasn't my fault, I thought I was doing 35, not 70.

[jdulej]

Every day it seems we see new headlines ,videos of just how well the new progressive programs and ideas are working, defunding the police in areas devastated by crime, a no brainer , why have we never thought of this before, Restorative Justice, no bond . low bond back out on the street, their not criminals just misunderstood and haven't talked to their therapist yet a few more thefts, assaults, a felony it not the point, keeping them locked up isn't good for them
As is true with all really difficult problems, the early, not well though out solutions don't work very well and tend to end up being ridiculed. By their nature, the embedded infrastructures are against change, as they see it as a threat. So law enforcement pushes back, the legal system pushes back, even the criminals push back. They are all depending on the current state of things for their livelihoods - why change a good thing.

[Caymus]

As is true with all really difficult problems, the early, not well though out solutions don't work very well and tend to end up being ridiculed. By their nature, the embedded infrastructures are against change, as they see it as a threat. So law enforcement pushes back, the legal system pushes back, even the criminals push back. They are all depending on the current state of things for their livelihoods - why change a good thing.


Is this a good thing?

Woman armed with a PICKAXE seen casually shoplifting at a Rite Aid in crime-ridden Los Angeles | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10341919/Woman-armed-PICKAXE-seen-casually-shoplifting-Rite-Aid-crime-ridden-Los-Angeles.html)

[ElDiabloJoe]

Maybe it's time to rethink the role of the police and what type of person would make a good police officer. I know BLM and Defund The Police are triggers that get many here riled up, but my understanding of their goal was just that (for the majority, there are fringes that go too far)
If you cannot find qualified people to hire, possibly you are the problem. If you can't keep the peace even with a patrol car on every corner (Chicago?) perhaps it's time to try another approach?
The so-called War on Drugs was a good example of what not to do. Billions upon billions wasted with zero results - anyone think our drug problems have gotten better? We have jails full of low level dealers costing 50-60K/year to house, and they are immediately replaced on the street with no impact at all.
IMO, the first step is to admit that the current approach is not working, and new solutions are needed - not just throw more money at it.
Maybe, just maybe, what we need is a society based on a strong nuclear family with an enforced moral code (church upbringing and adherence to legislated laws), and a society unified with what is "right" and what is "wrong."

Maybe.

But what do I know? I was a grunt that pushed a hoop in a major city for 30 years, so probably nothing.

[Cyndee@twc.com]

[she had an accident . Lets see who would get in a car with a crazed man and try to stop him from driving away and running over other officers. She was in he heat of battle and tried to stop him

[nn0wheremann]

I could not have voted to convict. She was doing her job, and made a mistake. Surgeons make mistakes that result in death, but they never go to jail.
Agreed, at least with the more serious charge, but I was not in the jury box.

This has a bad smell about it, of vigilante politics, and likely will be found to be a miscarriage of justice.

Hopefully in sentencing the judge will put an end to this racist lynching-in-reverse.

It also calls into question why a traffic cop has to carry lethal force weapons. In almost thirty years on the job she never had cause to use the pistol issued to her. Upon learning of the outstanding warrant it might have been better to have had backup available to better secure the arrest environment. It also calls into question why a felony warrant had not been acted upon with more diligence and speed by the county sheriff whose duty is to enforce such a warrant. Asking a traffic copper to deal with felony warrant enforcement is a bit much.

[jdulej]

Is this a good thing?

Woman armed with a PICKAXE seen casually shoplifting at a Rite Aid in crime-ridden Los Angeles | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10341919/Woman-armed-PICKAXE-seen-casually-shoplifting-Rite-Aid-crime-ridden-Los-Angeles.html)

Like I said in my post, early attempts to solve a really huge problem usually don't work very well. Should you just stop trying? Have the cops confront this person and either kill them or suck them into the existing criminal justice system, costing taxpayers thousands or hundreds of thousands with no chance of any sort of rehabilitation.
Crime is still crime and should be dealt with in a way the matches the punishment to the severity of the crime. Personally, I think a family that creates and pushes a drug that enslaves millions deserves a stiffer penalty than some kid on a corner selling crack to his friends, but that does not fit with the current model of "justice".

[Ksfirefighter]

You sound like a cross eyed lawyer!

One appears to be smug!

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Some? So in your expert opinion is it greater than 5%?

Having worked in the newspaper business covering the police beat -- at least in my day -- the bad apples are in the overwhelming minority. But this was in upstate NY 30 years ago. I hazard to guess what it would be like today or in the redneck South.

[fdpaq0580]

Next time I am pulled over for speeding, I'm going to tell the cop I made a mistake, please don't give me a ticket. It wasn't my fault, I thought I was doing 35, not 70.

In your scenario, you place yourself in the position of the criminal. If you don't become combative or try to flee you may get off with a warning to be more careful. But if you do become combative or try to flee and become a threat to others, bad things can happen and (in my opinion) it all will be your fault for not obeying the officer.
If, however, you are attempting to portray the officer who made the mistake, then imho your scenario is invalid.

[JMintzer]

Next time I am pulled over for speeding, I'm going to tell the cop I made a mistake, please don't give me a ticket. It wasn't my fault, I thought I was doing 35, not 70.

Brilliant analogy... [/sarcasm]

[JMintzer]

Having worked in the newspaper business covering the police beat -- at least in my day -- the bad apples are in the overwhelming minority. But this was in upstate NY 30 years ago. I hazard to guess what it would be like today or in the redneck South.

Broad Brush much?

[skarra]

It boils down to a law was broken, and a jury of her peers got to consider all the evidence before rendering their verdict. I don’t think anyone can dispute that is the way it should work.

Maybe the laws could be changed - you could certainly debate that. But at least in this case it appears that the system has worked the way it was designed.

The verdict seems sound. I hope some leniency is given during sentencing because I don’t think it was intentional, just negligent.

[Byte1]

So, a police officer with over 30 years of honorable service makes a mistake and a scumbag is eradicated? Sorry, but I don't see the problem. Perhaps we need more "mistakes" happening in this country to set things back on even keel? Ok, the most she should have seen is a letter in her personnel file and then perhaps a promotion. For those that say a law was broken, the only law broken was the perp resisting arrest.
If you think this is a racial thing, perhaps next time you get pulled over for a traffic citation, try refusing to give the officer your documentation and then call him a "PIG." Then when he tells you to get out of the vehicle, tell him to go to h3ll. Let's see if being white gives you the ability to keep the handcuffs off of you. These law enforcement officers are doing an outstanding job, trying to keep the scumbags from your homes. Perhaps if the judges and the cry baby media would do their jobs, we would not have half the problems we have today.
Chalk off another scumbag eliminated from polluting our country. Sorry for the sacrifice of a decent police officer.

[fdpaq0580]

So, a police officer with over 30 years of honorable service makes a mistake and a scumbag is eradicated? Sorry, but I don't see the problem. Perhaps we need more "mistakes" happening in this country to set things back on even keel? Ok, the most she should have seen is a letter in her personnel file and then perhaps a promotion. For those that say a law was broken, the only law broken was the perp resisting arrest.
If you think this is a racial thing, perhaps next time you get pulled over for a traffic citation, try refusing to give the officer your documentation and then call him a "PIG." Then when he tells you to get out of the vehicle, tell him to go to h3ll. Let's see if being white gives you the ability to keep the handcuffs off of you. These law enforcement officers are doing an outstanding job, trying to keep the scumbags from your homes. Perhaps if the judges and the cry baby media would do their jobs, we would not have half the problems we have today.
Chalk off another scumbag eliminated from polluting our country. Sorry for the sacrifice of a decent police officer.

Bet you liked the movie "Judge Dredd" with Sly Stallone. Street judges who were police, judge, jury, and dispenser (executioner) all in one.

[JMintzer]

Bet you liked the movie "Judge Dredd" with Sly Stallone. Street judges who were police, judge, jury, and dispenser (executioner) all in one.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/019/061/Three_Seashells.jpg

[jimbomaybe]

As is true with all really difficult problems, the early, not well though out solutions don't work very well and tend to end up being ridiculed. By their nature, the embedded infrastructures are against change, as they see it as a threat. So law enforcement pushes back, the legal system pushes back, even the criminals push back. They are all depending on the current state of things for their livelihoods - why change a good thing.
HUH? The screw ball "solutions" were being ridiculed before they were first implemented , the obvious consequences pointed out, put into practice by that imbedded infrastructure called elected officials, the police have the function of enforcement of the laws made by other bodies, this is not push back, its easy to disagree with politicians, the legislature and how some police enforce the law but still they are all part of what you need to have a functioning society, the criminal element and anyone so inclined as demonstrated has been greatly encouraged , without the rule of law and to whatever extent there is no functioning society, these solutions been trending for some time, the next "solution" being only the cause for an expanding problem

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[jimbomaybe]

It boils down to a law was broken, and a jury of her peers got to consider all the evidence before rendering their verdict. I don’t think anyone can dispute that is the way it should work.

Maybe the laws could be changed - you could certainly debate that. But at least in this case it appears that the system has worked the way it was designed.

The verdict seems sound. I hope some leniency is given during sentencing because I don’t think it was intentional, just negligent.

So you would be just as content if she was exonerated ?

[Stu from NYC]

So you would be just as content if she was exonerated ?

She should not be exonerated but would not be sorry if she got a very light sentence or perhaps probation.

Obviously she has lost her career and we are down one crook who if he followed the demands of the police would still be alive.

Wonder if anyone will name a street after him?

[Bandb875]

Medical malpractice seems to never make the news. It must be stressful when a doctor operates but at least the doctor doesn't have to worry about losing his own life in the situation. Seems we are holding police officers to a much higher standard.

[mydavid]

I could not have voted to convict. She was doing her job, and made a mistake. Surgeons make mistakes that result in death, but they never go to jail. I thank if she was a rookie cop things might have turned out differently, but a 27 year pro and the gun on one side of her belt and the teaser on the other.

[jdulej]

HUH? The screw ball "solutions" were being ridiculed before they were first implemented , the obvious consequences pointed out, put into practice by that imbedded infrastructure called elected officials, the police have the function of enforcement of the laws made by other bodies, this is not push back, its easy to disagree with politicians, the legislature and how some police enforce the law but still they are all part of what you need to have a functioning society, the criminal element and anyone so inclined as demonstrated has been greatly encouraged , without the rule of law and to whatever extent there is no functioning society, these solutions been trending for some time, the next "solution" being only the cause for an expanding problem

,

So, you are complaining but not offering any suggestions other than "leave us alone - everything was just fine before iPhones and body cams came along".

[skarra]

So you would be just as content if she was exonerated ?


We are a nation of laws.

What we are not is a group of vigilantes. No room for that. Go somewhere else if you want that.

Sorry, that means no Judge Dredd allowed.

[jimbomaybe]

We are a nation of laws.

What we are not is a group of vigilantes. No room for that. Go somewhere else if you want that.

Sorry, that means no Judge Dredd allowed.
The whole point of this discussion is opinions on the verdict, the how ,the why, where have I suggested any vigilantism ? How can you construe that from my posts?

[Wyseguy]

The way I understand things, the fact that she was yelling "Taser" over and over indicated that she had determined that lethal force was not warranted. Then she shot him with a gun by mistake. Pretty clearly a screw-up which caused the death of an innocent (until proven guilty of something) USA citizen (not that that should make a difference). In most states, doing something like that gets you jail time. I suspect that she will get less than half the time she could get, but it will be years,

Agree, had she not yelled taser, and pulled her weapon and shot him she would probably get off. There were police around the car that he was driving away in. She could have said she was protecting the lives of other police. Regarding those who mentioned people should stop resisting; there are many videos of police beating non resisting citizens while yelling "Stop resisting"

[valuemkt]

Interesting to see how many white racists live in The Villages.

Yea, you probably wont like it here. We have laws and prisons and.. amazingly.. low crime.. Buy a house in Seattle or Minneapolis .. or go back to California .. Smile when your house gets burglarized..

[Stu from NYC]

Interesting to see how many white racists live in The Villages.

How does that make him a racist? These days cannot have an honest disagreement on anything relating to blacks without being called nasty names.

Why does nobody seem to care about all the black and black murders going on? Or children growing up in a one parent home?

[JMintzer]

Interesting to see how many white racists live in The Villages.

Eclipsed only by the judgmental ones...

[Byte1]

Bet you liked the movie "Judge Dredd" with Sly Stallone. Street judges who were police, judge, jury, and dispenser (executioner) all in one.

So far, it seems that the police are the ONLY ones doing their jobs. Judges=NO!, Jury=too afraid. Prosecutor= Let's make a deal (and how will it look on TV) and the Defense Attny=how much can I make with the least amount of work.
The police are about the lowest paid public servants for what they have to endure and the dangerous work they survive every day.
Judge Dredd is a fictional, sci fy movie. Personally, I enjoy The Walking Dead. If you want something to really relate to that is more current, you should have asked me if I liked Yellowstone. I do.

[JMintzer]

There are many, and the extent of the racism varies widely. Some are just the usual mundane, not harmful, not intentional prejudice that most white people have:

If you're in an upscale building in the city and get on the elevator, and three black men wearing jeans and hoodies get on the next floor and it's just you and those three black men in jeans and hoodies, and you're a white female, you will -probably- feel some measure of discomfort.

Why? Because they are "other" and you are in the minority.

I think that's the worst of "most" people I've met here.

But there are some who will blame things on blacks - because they truly believe it's the fact that they're black that is causing whatever the ills of society are. They are more bold here, because they are with "their own kind" for the most part. That ugly underside definitely exists, and it's definitely ugly. Thankfully, most folks know to keep that crap to themselves when they're in the company of others.

But you definitely hear some nasty stuff at the country club bar from time to time.

Yeah, it's most certainly the "white racists"...

JUAN WILLIAMS: I Get Nervous Walking Past Young Black Men (https://www.businessinsider.com/juan-williams-oreilly-nervous-black-men-video-2011-3)

[Byte1]

We are a nation of laws.

What we are not is a group of vigilantes. No room for that. Go somewhere else if you want that.

Sorry, that means no Judge Dredd allowed.

Apparently, you do not want any law enforcement either. Judge Dredd is fictional. The problem on here is that most are commenting with absolutely NO experience in law enforcement and have no idea what or how the job is conducted. Most watch Tv and think that Hollywood actors and fiction is how the job is done. Sorry, but most police work is none of what you see on TV. But, I know that none of the folks commenting on here would ever make a serious mistake. Why? Because they would never have a job where a mistake would be serious. I say that precluding the doctors on here that also have a job where a mistake can be serious.

[jimbomaybe]

So, you are complaining but not offering any suggestions other than "leave us alone - everything was just fine before iPhones and body cams came along".

My post was more of an observation than complaint that the so called solutions are aggravating the problematic issues, "solutions" made with anger, guilt are nonproductive, demonstrated by events, building a better bridge to the future is in all our interests, so far all that has been done , the theory, is to bail out the river because no one knows how to build a better bridge, perhaps trite but supported by all statistics is the importance of the family structure, to what ever extent, no family, no community, no civil society, who ever solves this well deserves to be honored

[ElDiabloJoe]

Interesting to see how many white racists live in The Villages.

Yes. And usually on the left side of the spectrum, being offended for other people because they don't feel those people are bright enough to be offended for themselves. Champions of the under-represented so that they rely on them. A mentality of "They need help because they can't do it themselves."

As opposed to the "accountability and opportunity for EVERYone" mentality that exists on the right side.

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

After duly pondering posting, at the advice of another poster, I join the posters who support law enforcement, and dismiss the WOKE posters who declare anything that goes towards law and order as racist. We have had enough statues torn down that celebrate our Founders and Forefathers. We do not need statues glorifying criminals. YES CRIMINALS. If you dont break the law, and you don;t resist arrest, you probably won't get killed. Black, White, Green or Purple. Who would want to be a law enforcement officer in NYC, California or Minnesota ? Or a business owner that could be a victim of Smash and Grab, $ 950 free shoplifting sprees etc ? For me, I look forward to the resurrection of the Pinkertons to protect property rights .. Until the legislatures grow a pair and go back to locking up criminals and stop vilifying police and other law enforcement, law abiding people and business owners need to enact any form of property protection. Those states and others have re-enacted the Wild Wild West, and soon the streets will have more bad guys lying on their backs dead in the street. If a carrot doesnt work, you have to use the stick ..

One thing that will help law enforcement is stricter gun control. The lax laws that allow anyone to get a gun is putting police on edge and causing them to use deadly force when it is not necessary.

[retiredguy123]

One thing that will help law enforcement is stricter gun control. The lax laws that allow anyone to get a gun is putting police on edge and causing them to use deadly force when it is not necessary.
The problem is that you cannot have "stricter gun control" without limiting access to guns to law-abiding citizens who want to protect themselves. Those who want to use guns to commit crimes will not be deterred by stricter gun control measures.

[JMintzer]

One thing that will help law enforcement is stricter gun control. The lax laws that allow anyone to get a gun is putting police on edge and causing them to use deadly force when it is not necessary.

"Anyone"... :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Kenswing]

One thing that will help law enforcement is stricter gun control. The lax laws that allow anyone to get a gun is putting police on edge and causing them to use deadly force when it is not necessary.

Of course it will. We all know that criminals abide by all the new laws out there. :ohdear:

[bp243]

I could not have voted to convict. She was doing her job, and made a mistake. Surgeons make mistakes that result in death, but they never go to jail.

The verdict has been finalized. However, here's your opportunity to make a difference in this world. Figure out how you want to support Kim and live out your passion to help her.

[Wyseguy]

One thing that will help law enforcement is stricter gun control. The lax laws that allow anyone to get a gun is putting police on edge and causing them to use deadly force when it is not necessary.

Having gone through the process of getting a ccp in NY, NJ, MD, VA, and FL and all reciprocal states, I find it less than honest to imply the majority of crimes are being committed by those who legally obtained their license. Not many gang bangers or violent criminals follow the laws.

[Lindsyburnsy]

Had he not been stopped for an air freshener or broken light, he may still be here. If Wright hadn’t try to flee , none of this would have happened.

[NoMoSno]

Had he not been stopped for an air freshener or broken light, he may still be here.
He was stopped for an expired registration.

[JMintzer]

Having gone through the process of getting a ccp in NY, NJ, MD, VA, and FL and all reciprocal states, I find it less than honest to imply the majority of crimes are being committed by those who legally obtained their license. Not many gang bangers or violent criminals follow the laws.

You got one in NY? Upstate on in NYC? And Jersey?

Okay, you must know God personally! :icon_wink:

[JMintzer]

Had he not been stopped for an air freshener or broken light, he may still be here.

Or had he not let his tags expire...

[fdpaq0580]

Agree, had she not yelled taser, and pulled her weapon and shot him she would probably get off. There were police around the car that he was driving away in. She could have said she was protecting the lives of other police. Regarding those who mentioned people should stop resisting; there are many videos of police beating non resisting citizens while yelling "Stop resisting"

And there are videos of people being taken into custody peacefully. Most violent arrest videos I have seen start with the suspect being the one who triggers the action by resisting being restrained and becomes combative. A self fulfilling prophecy of sorts. They are going to be arrested. They don't want to be arrested so they try to get away. Officers will try to restrain person who then begins to wrestle with police. Police now trying to subdue by force and you see the result of suspect non-compliance to officers original orders. Again, self fulfilling prophecy.

[fdpaq0580]

You do know police are suppose to protect and serve right, not be judge, jury and executioner.

They DO serve and protect by apprehending law breakers and taking them to jail where they will be tried b judge and jury. They will only see the executioner if they are found guilty.

[jimbomaybe]

And there are videos of people being taken into custody peacefully. Most violent arrest videos I have seen start with the suspect being the one who triggers the action by resisting being restrained and becomes combative. A self fulfilling prophecy of sorts. They are going to be arrested. They don't want to be arrested so they try to get away. Officers will try to restrain person who then begins to wrestle with police. Police now trying to subdue by force and you see the result of suspect non-compliance to officers original orders. Again, self fulfilling prophecy.
It rare that persons who resist arrest are so charged, the jurisdictions I am familiar with require more paperwork from supervisory personnel when charging "resisting Arrest" this discourages that action, then if found guilty the resisting charge is made to run concurrently, at the same time of the other charges, so its a no loose situation for the offender, regardless there are law firms that do nothing but sue the jurisdiction for damages , often they settle being cheaper to toss them a few buck than fight it

[spd2918]

Had he not been stopped for an air freshener or broken light, he may still be here.

Should the police stop enforcing the law? And are you impling he was shot because of an air freshener?

Please tell me.

[retiredguy123]

Should the police stop enforcing the law? And are you imying he was shot because of an air freshener?

Please tell me.
Yes. If the police don't enforce things like broken lights and expired tags, who will?

[spd2918]

Yes. If the police don't enforce things like broken lights and expired tags, who will?

It does not matter what the stop started out as is; it mattered what the criminal did after the stop to create the dangerous situation.

A criminal, mostly due to his own actions, is dead. The officer made a mistake and her life is ruined.

[jimbomaybe]

Well said!

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, being interested enough to have an opinion is generally a good thing, that opinion is weighted by ones credentials.

Allen Dershowitz; law professor of some note has an opinion that some here would make him vigilante, the logic of that is beyond me , in any event a factual reasoned approach from a source with demonstrated standing . He sees many problems with the convection as well as actions of the judge