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Andrea3051
12-25-2021, 09:14 AM
How many more times must I be chased by my neighbors offleash pack of small growling & barking dogs when going outside with my sweet pup? And apparently because I go into protection mode by picking her up to avoid an unknown outcome, I'm in the wrong?
I have only seen these dogs barking & growling which alerts me into defense mode..No idea if friendly
I had hoped people here were as polite and considerate as I am, and most are lovely but I guess a few bad apples are here too
She told me off while I said nothing from the anxiety of the moment. No apology just judgement of my reaction..
I suffer from chronic illness & anxiety, I came here to recover with my emotional support dog. I'm quiet & considerate to everyone yet some just don't care & find it necessary to attack me?
Nobody knows what others are going thru..shame on her & I will no longer be holding my tongue. So much for my quiet peaceful happy place í ½í¹„
Merry Christmas ...
billethkid
12-25-2021, 09:22 AM
How many more times must I be chased by my neighbors offleash pack of small growling & barking dogs when going outside with my sweet pup? And apparently because I go into protection mode by picking her up to avoid an unknown outcome, I'm in the wrong?
I had hoped people here were as polite and considerate as I am but I guess a..holes are everywhere ðŸ˜
She told me off while I said nothing from the anxiety of the moment. No apology just judgement of my reaction..
I suffer from chronic illness & anxiety, I came here to recover with my emotional support dog. I'm quiet & considerate to everyone yet some just don't care & find it necessary to attack me?
Nobody knows what others are going thru..shame on her & I will no longer be holding my tongue. So much for my quiet peaceful happy place 🙄
Merry Christmas to me...because last night was not pleasant.😕
Most of us are!!!
PugMom
12-25-2021, 09:35 AM
stick to dog parks where the owner is present, and probably more responsible. is also a good way to meet new people
Spalumbos62
12-25-2021, 09:56 AM
How many more times must I be chased by my neighbors offleash pack of small growling & barking dogs when going outside with my sweet pup? And apparently because I go into protection mode by picking her up to avoid an unknown outcome, I'm in the wrong?
I had hoped people here were as polite and considerate as I am but I guess a..holes are everywhere ðŸ˜
She told me off while I said nothing from the anxiety of the moment. No apology just judgement of my reaction..
I suffer from chronic illness & anxiety, I came here to recover with my emotional support dog. I'm quiet & considerate to everyone yet some just don't care & find it necessary to attack me?
Nobody knows what others are going thru..shame on her & I will no longer be holding my tongue. So much for my quiet peaceful happy place 🙄
Merry Christmas to me...because last night was not pleasant.😕
Sorry to hear your dilemma. I have a similar unwanted dog/neighbor issue- the old, cancer filled dog thinks my yard is his potty...I've discussed it with the neighbor, but like your problem ,falls on deft ears. So now I keep a loaded squirt gun by the door. Yes, I have startled him a few times and will continue. The neighbor said...." oh, don't hurt my little baby" .....really?
Next its gonna have a little vinegar in there.
Obviously I don't want to hurt any dog, as you wouldn't either...but maybe carry a little spray bottle with you and give them a startle. I sure hope it's just little ones that are running out to you, because if not, it's time for some authoritative person step in...maybe write a ticket.
Eitherway, Merry Christmas
Andrea3051
12-25-2021, 10:02 AM
Sorry to hear your dilemma. I have a similar unwanted dog/neighbor issue- the old, cancer filled dog thinks my yard is his potty...I've discussed it with the neighbor, but like your problem ,falls on deft ears. So now I keep a loaded squirt gun by the door. Yes, I have startled him a few times and will continue. The neighbor said...." oh, don't hurt my little baby" .....really?
Next its gonna have a little vinegar in there.
Obviously I don't want to hurt any dog, as you wouldn't either...but maybe carry a little spray bottle with you and give them a startle. I sure hope it's just little ones that are running out to you, because if not, it's time for some authoritative person step in...maybe write a ticket.
Eitherway, Merry Christmas
Thanks I did buy some defensive tools because of this issue, I just don't carry when stepping out for last call at night but clearly I will need to start.
I know most people here are so lovely but these others really ruin it! Merry Christmas
fdpaq0580
12-25-2021, 10:18 AM
stick to dog parks where the owner is present, and probably more responsible. is also a good way to meet new people
She sounds as if she is almost a prisoner in her house, being attacked by off leash pack of dogs when she goes outside. Needs to get video/audio of this and get appropriate authorities involved. Sue the neighbor for harassment or assault.
Meanwhile, don't forget, the dogs in pack mode could be dangerous and if she should suffer a bite call police immediately to have the dogs removed for they are dangerous and the neighbor should not be allowed to have them if she can't or won't control them.
DAVES
12-25-2021, 10:27 AM
How many more times must I be chased by my neighbors offleash pack of small growling & barking dogs when going outside with my sweet pup? And apparently because I go into protection mode by picking her up to avoid an unknown outcome, I'm in the wrong?
I had hoped people here were as polite and considerate as I am but I guess a..holes are everywhere ðŸ˜
She told me off while I said nothing from the anxiety of the moment. No apology just judgement of my reaction..
I suffer from chronic illness & anxiety, I came here to recover with my emotional support dog. I'm quiet & considerate to everyone yet some just don't care & find it necessary to attack me?
Nobody knows what others are going thru..shame on her & I will no longer be holding my tongue. So much for my quiet peaceful happy place 🙄
Merry Christmas to me...because last night was not pleasant.😕
We of course only get one side of every story. "Offleash,Small pack of barking growing dogs." There are rules intended to minimize people's intrusion on the rights of others.
People can only own TWO pets. Two dogs is not a pack. So if they have more than TWO dogs they are in violation. Also, even on your own property a dog must be on a leash another violation.
Too many dog owners lose track that it is a dog. A dog is a pack animal the reason why IF your neighbor has several they will bark growl together. One is the leader and that will be obvious. Also, by instinct a dog will not welcome another dog or even people on to it's property
The question in the OP. Am I wrong? Then name calling a holes. Then Merry Christmas to ME. Does not sound like you are completely innocent.
Sadly, when things start bad it is difficult to turn things around-BUT IT CAN BE DONE.
Perhaps, there is someone that would help both of you? Perhaps, the villages?
The hardest part is rejecting the thought, I'm gonna get even-I'm gonna teach them a lesson. That is the hardest part, for BOTH SIDES of every issue.
golfing eagles
12-25-2021, 10:40 AM
We of course only get one side of every story. "Offleash,Small pack of barking growing dogs." There are rules intended to minimize people's intrusion on the rights of others.
People can only own TWO pets. Two dogs is not a pack. So if they have more than TWO dogs they are in violation. Also, even on your own property a dog must be on a leash another violation.
Too many dog owners lose track that it is a dog. A dog is a pack animal the reason why IF your neighbor has several they will bark growl together. One is the leader and that will be obvious. Also, by instinct a dog will not welcome another dog or even people on to it's property
The question in the OP. Am I wrong? Then name calling a holes. Then Merry Christmas to ME. Does not sound like you are completely innocent.
Sadly, when things start bad it is difficult to turn things around-BUT IT CAN BE DONE.
Perhaps, there is someone that would help both of you? Perhaps, the villages?
The hardest part is rejecting the thought, I'm gonna get even-I'm gonna teach them a lesson. That is the hardest part, for BOTH SIDES of every issue.
You should hold off on attacking the OP, she obviously has some emotional issues and should seek professional help. That being said, what you posted is probably spot on. The telling phrase is that the neighbor's dogs are a growling, barking pack and her dog is a "sweet pup".
DAVES
12-25-2021, 10:42 AM
Thanks I did buy some defensive tools because of this issue, I just don't carry when stepping out for last call at night but clearly I will need to start.
I know most people here are so lovely but these others really ruin it! Merry Christmas
"I did buy some defensive tools." Law is always strange. I'm not an attorney but I think I read somewhere that to carry pepper spray you need a concealed carry permit in Florida.
As stated previously, it is difficult, but not impossible to resolve such issues. It sounds to me that you are allowing anger to escalate the issue. "I did buy some defensive tools." Is an escalation of the issue. Not an act that will led to a resolution.
DAVES
12-25-2021, 10:45 AM
You should hold off on attacking the OP, she obviously has some emotional issues and should seek professional help. That being said, what you posted is probably spot on. The telling phrase is that the neighbor's dogs are a growling, barking pack and her dog is a "sweet pup".
I did the best I could not to attack anyone. I should be obvious-I HOPE.
walterray1
12-25-2021, 10:48 AM
How many more times must I be chased by my neighbors offleash pack of small growling & barking dogs when going outside with my sweet pup? And apparently because I go into protection mode by picking her up to avoid an unknown outcome, I'm in the wrong?
I had hoped people here were as polite and considerate as I am but I guess a..holes are everywhere ðŸ˜
She told me off while I said nothing from the anxiety of the moment. No apology just judgement of my reaction..
I suffer from chronic illness & anxiety, I came here to recover with my emotional support dog. I'm quiet & considerate to everyone yet some just don't care & find it necessary to attack me?
Nobody knows what others are going thru..shame on her & I will no longer be holding my tongue. So much for my quiet peaceful happy place 🙄
Merry Christmas to me...because last night was not pleasant.😕
isnt an offleash pack of small growling and barking neighbors.
fdpaq0580
12-25-2021, 11:02 AM
We of course only get one side of every story. "Offleash,Small pack of barking growing dogs." There are rules intended to minimize people's intrusion on the rights of others.
People can only own TWO pets. Two dogs is not a pack. So if they have more than TWO dogs they are in violation. Also, even on your own property a dog must be on a leash another violation.
Too many dog owners lose track that it is a dog. A dog is a pack animal the reason why IF your neighbor has several they will bark growl together. One is the leader and that will be obvious. Also, by instinct a dog will not welcome another dog or even people on to it's property
The question in the OP. Am I wrong? Then name calling a holes. Then Merry Christmas to ME. Does not sound like you are completely innocent.
Sadly, when things start bad it is difficult to turn things around-BUT IT CAN BE DONE.
Perhaps, there is someone that would help both of you? Perhaps, the villages?
The hardest part is rejecting the thought, I'm gonna get even-I'm gonna teach them a lesson. That is the hardest part, for BOTH SIDES of every issue.
You are right on many points and on this day of days bring a message of seeking peaceful resolution. Good for you.
Sadly, I feel that once something is broken it can actually be broken beyond repair. In the case of neighborly relations, that bridge must be built from both sides and meet in the middle. Both sides must want it.
As for only getting one side of the story, that is, unfortunately, all we usually get and must try to give our "two cents worth" intuitively.
If the neighbor for some reason refuses to obey the rules, then documenting and evidence gathering should begin sooner rather then later for ones own protection.
May this situation come quickly to a peaceful and friendly resolution.
Merry Christmas to one and all!
DAVES
12-25-2021, 11:02 AM
Sorry to hear your dilemma. I have a similar unwanted dog/neighbor issue- the old, cancer filled dog thinks my yard is his potty...I've discussed it with the neighbor, but like your problem ,falls on deft ears. So now I keep a loaded squirt gun by the door. Yes, I have startled him a few times and will continue. The neighbor said...." oh, don't hurt my little baby" .....really?
Next its gonna have a little vinegar in there.
Obviously I don't want to hurt any dog, as you wouldn't either...but maybe carry a little spray bottle with you and give them a startle. I sure hope it's just little ones that are running out to you, because if not, it's time for some authoritative person step in...maybe write a ticket.
Eitherway, Merry Christmas
From my dad, who could make the most complex issues truly simple. In fact covers so many of these threads on different issues. Your rights end where the other person's rights begin. Someone allowing their dog to go on your side of the property line is clearly beyond where your rights begin.
A dog is a dog. By instinct the dog knows it's waste is dirty and disease carrying. The reason why the dog will not relieve itself on it's owners property. Dog owners, some are well strange. You can talk about anything, my husband, wife, lawn, golf cart even the truly important stuff like my lawn but, my dog and you will have a war.
When, your neighbor refuses to control their dog and you have told them so they are aware, there is no shortage of dog repellent products-no need to even explain to your neighbor why their dog no longer goes in YOUR yard.
JMintzer
12-25-2021, 11:43 AM
"I did buy some defensive tools." Law is always strange. I'm not an attorney but I think I read somewhere that to carry pepper spray you need a concealed carry permit in Florida.
No, Pepper Spray may be carried w/o a permit...
Andrea3051
12-25-2021, 12:19 PM
We of course only get one side of every story. "Offleash,Small pack of barking growing dogs." There are rules intended to minimize people's intrusion on the rights of others.
People can only own TWO pets. Two dogs is not a pack. So if they have more than TWO dogs they are in violation. Also, even on your own property a dog must be on a leash another violation.
Too many dog owners lose track that it is a dog. A dog is a pack animal the reason why IF your neighbor has several they will bark growl together. One is the leader and that will be obvious. Also, by instinct a dog will not welcome another dog or even people on to it's property
The question in the OP. Am I wrong? Then name calling a holes. Then Merry Christmas to ME. Does not sound like you are completely innocent.
Sadly, when things start bad it is difficult to turn things around-BUT IT CAN BE DONE.
Perhaps, there is someone that would help both of you? Perhaps, the villages?
The hardest part is rejecting the thought, I'm gonna get even-I'm gonna teach them a lesson. That is the hardest part, for BOTH SIDES of every issue.
Yes. Two sides:
she came out to her open garage with her 3 dogs and once they saw us across the street entering my garage they took off barking & growling. Then yelled at me for reacting to protect my dog, to relax and I think she said for me to move.
MY Side: I was walking to enter my garage, suddenly heard & saw the dogs running for us, yes, on my property & and reacted by picking up my medium size dog so they couldn't get to her. She's a docile dog. I remained quiet to calm me & my pup.
No apology, its all my fault because I wasn't ok with it all, second time this has happened. But I'm the issue in her eyes. í ½í¹„. She doesn't know me or my issues, how dare she dictate how I should be behave in an situation that shouldn't be happening in the first place.
Sadly this appears to be a TV issue happening too much, these owners are behaving irresponsible. What if that happened to an aggressive dog? The larger dog would be blamed for injuries..
New Englander
12-25-2021, 12:28 PM
How many more times must I be chased by my neighbors offleash pack of small growling & barking dogs when going outside with my sweet pup? And apparently because I go into protection mode by picking her up to avoid an unknown outcome, I'm in the wrong?
I had hoped people here were as polite and considerate as I am but I guess a..holes are everywhere ðŸ˜
She told me off while I said nothing from the anxiety of the moment. No apology just judgement of my reaction..
I suffer from chronic illness & anxiety, I came here to recover with my emotional support dog. I'm quiet & considerate to everyone yet some just don't care & find it necessary to attack me?
Nobody knows what others are going thru..shame on her & I will no longer be holding my tongue. So much for my quiet peaceful happy place 🙄
Merry Christmas to me...because last night was not pleasant.😕
I'm sorry you are going through this unnecessary problem and I hope this can be resolved quickly. Merry Christmas
golfing eagles
12-25-2021, 12:31 PM
Yes. Two sides:
she came out to her open garage with her 3 dogs and once they saw us across the street entering my garage they took off barking & growling. Then yelled at me for reacting to protect my dog, to relax and I think she said for me to move.
MY Side: I was walking to enter my garage, suddenly heard & saw the dogs running for us, yes, on my property & and reacted by picking up my medium size dog so they couldn't get to her. She's a docile dog. I remained quiet to calm me & my pup.
No apology, its all my fault because I wasn't ok with it all, second time this has happened. But I'm the issue in her eyes. ������. She doesn't know me or my issues, how dare she dictate how I should be behave in an situation that shouldn't be happening in the first place.
Sadly this appears to be a TV issue happening too much, these owners are behaving irresponsible. What if that happened to an aggressive dog? The larger dog would be blamed for injuries..
Sad that you have to put up with this from a neighbor. If she owns 3 dogs, you can report her to community standards since there is a 2 dog rule. It is possible, but I'm not sure, that the third dog is "grandfathered" in if she has owned them prior to moving here. If they are off the leash, I believe that is a county ordinance and can be reported to the sheriff. And then there is civil action...... However, any of that might escalate a bad situation further
Andrea3051
12-25-2021, 12:36 PM
"I did buy some defensive tools." Law is always strange. I'm not an attorney but I think I read somewhere that to carry pepper spray you need a concealed carry permit in Florida.
As stated previously, it is difficult, but not impossible to resolve such issues. It sounds to me that you are allowing anger to escalate the issue. "I did buy some defensive tools." Is an escalation of the issue. Not an act that will led to a resolution.
I bought a dog horn & spray especially given the wild animals people encounter here, just in case..never needed those items living in a city but after a few encounters here, Im trying to prevent an accident. Nothing wrong with that.
CoachKandSportsguy
12-25-2021, 01:38 PM
We were golfing with a couple several weeks ago, and they were one of the "moved more than once" in TV. The biggest reason for move #2 was a next door neighbor who was totally obnoxious about blaring music so loud all hours of the day and night. They said there was no reasoning with him/them (?).
I have heard this reasoning locally as well with a very nice couple here in our New England neighborhood. The neighbor across the street starting doing all kinds of crappy things to the front of his yard. . . So he sold and moved. . .
Unfortunately, that will always be the human condition living together in close proximity. There is the random 5% azzhole rule. . .
n8xwb
12-25-2021, 02:25 PM
If it were me, I would take a photo or video of the dogs OFF LEASH then call animal control.
Spalumbos62
12-25-2021, 04:15 PM
"I did buy some defensive tools." Law is always strange. I'm not an attorney but I think I read somewhere that to carry pepper spray you need a concealed carry permit in Florida.
As stated previously, it is difficult, but not impossible to resolve such issues. It sounds to me that you are allowing anger to escalate the issue. "I did buy some defensive tools." Is an escalation of the issue. Not an act that will led to a resolution.
I would hate pepper spray to be involved. I truly believe (as Cesar Milan says) they need to be startled and snap the brain out of the forward motion. I only use water and try to startle him from his action... but it doesn't always work honestly.
JSR22
12-25-2021, 04:48 PM
I would hate pepper spray to be involved. I truly believe (as Cesar Milan says) they need to be startled and snap the brain out of the forward motion. I only use water and try to startle him from his action... but it doesn't always work honestly.
Anything Milan said I would ignore.
Gpsma
12-25-2021, 06:41 PM
Two biggest group of complainers in TV...golfers and dog owners.
Garywt
12-25-2021, 06:51 PM
Sorry this happened to you. Another example of rules not applying to a certain few. I know if our dog ever gets out off her leash she is grabbed up quickly and if anyone is out there we get embarrassed. Hopefully this will be worked out in time.
golfing eagles
12-25-2021, 06:52 PM
Two biggest group of complainers in TV...golfers and dog owners.
Half right---the BIGGEST complainers are non-golfers and non-dog owners:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
tophcfa
12-25-2021, 06:58 PM
Two biggest group of complainers in TV...golfers and dog owners.
But dog owners that golf never complain :MOJE_whot:
Topspinmo
12-25-2021, 07:27 PM
We of course only get one side of every story. "Offleash,Small pack of barking growing dogs." There are rules intended to minimize people's intrusion on the rights of others.
People can only own TWO pets. Two dogs is not a pack. So if they have more than TWO dogs they are in violation. Also, even on your own property a dog must be on a leash another violation.
Too many dog owners lose track that it is a dog. A dog is a pack animal the reason why IF your neighbor has several they will bark growl together. One is the leader and that will be obvious. Also, by instinct a dog will not welcome another dog or even people on to it's property
The question in the OP. Am I wrong? Then name calling a holes. Then Merry Christmas to ME. Does not sound like you are completely innocent.
Sadly, when things start bad it is difficult to turn things around-BUT IT CAN BE DONE.
Perhaps, there is someone that would help both of you? Perhaps, the villages?
The hardest part is rejecting the thought, I'm gonna get even-I'm gonna teach them a lesson. That is the hardest part, for BOTH SIDES of every issue.
Dogs should be on leash when not pen in they own yard. And dang sure not be running around off lease in street.Just cause the rules two dogs don’t mean some follow it.
Topspinmo
12-25-2021, 07:29 PM
Half right---the BIGGEST complainers are non-golfers and non-dog owners:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
So, you are golfer that makes them non-complainer’s LOL. Golfer’s are the biggest rule breaker in villages. you yourself complained about it many times :icon_wink:
Topspinmo
12-25-2021, 07:32 PM
We were golfing with a couple several weeks ago, and they were one of the "moved more than once" in TV. The biggest reason for move #2 was a next door neighbor who was totally obnoxious about blaring music so loud all hours of the day and night. They said there was no reasoning with him/them (?).
I have heard this reasoning locally as well with a very nice couple here in our New England neighborhood. The neighbor across the street starting doing all kinds of crappy things to the front of his yard. . . So he sold and moved. . .
Unfortunately, that will always be the human condition living together in close proximity. There is the random 5% azzhole rule. . .
5% is much too low IMO:shocked:
Topspinmo
12-25-2021, 07:33 PM
Sad that you have to put up with this from a neighbor. If she owns 3 dogs, you can report her to community standards since there is a 2 dog rule. It is possible, but I'm not sure, that the third dog is "grandfathered" in if she has owned them prior to moving here. If they are off the leash, I believe that is a county ordinance and can be reported to the sheriff. And then there is civil action...... However, any of that might escalate a bad situation further
Certain % you have to resort to that or put up with it.
golfing eagles
12-25-2021, 07:41 PM
So, you are golfer that makes them non-complainer’s LOL. Golfer’s are the biggest rule breaker in villages. you yourself complained about it many times :icon_wink:
Huh????
triflex
12-25-2021, 07:48 PM
I had a neighbor who was so dumb he let his dog mark my young trees to the point they were dying. I went out and bought Cayenne Pepper and loaded the tree up with the pepper. End of problem.
Garywt
12-25-2021, 09:08 PM
5% is much too low IMO:shocked:
2% of any group ruins it for the rest of the group.
jbartle1
12-26-2021, 05:07 AM
Motion detecting sprinklers are another option
John Mayes
12-26-2021, 06:04 AM
We of course only get one side of every story. "Offleash,Small pack of barking growing dogs." There are rules intended to minimize people's intrusion on the rights of others.
People can only own TWO pets. Two dogs is not a pack. So if they have more than TWO dogs they are in violation. Also, even on your own property a dog must be on a leash another violation.
Too many dog owners lose track that it is a dog. A dog is a pack animal the reason why IF your neighbor has several they will bark growl together. One is the leader and that will be obvious. Also, by instinct a dog will not welcome another dog or even people on to it's property
The question in the OP. Am I wrong? Then name calling a holes. Then Merry Christmas to ME. Does not sound like you are completely innocent.
Sadly, when things start bad it is difficult to turn things around-BUT IT CAN BE DONE.
Perhaps, there is someone that would help both of you? Perhaps, the villages?
The hardest part is rejecting the thought, I'm gonna get even-I'm gonna teach them a lesson. That is the hardest part, for BOTH SIDES of every issue.
Not disagreeing with your overall message but there are couple of incorrect points you made. Two dog rule is true in most districts but not all. If the OP lives in District 13, there are no limit on the number of domestic pets. Also, leash law does not apply to one’s own yard. Doesn’t negate the fact that the neighbor sounds like a irresponsible dog owner that is oblivious to other’s concerns or property.
PugMom
12-26-2021, 08:21 AM
She sounds as if she is almost a prisoner in her house, being attacked by off leash pack of dogs when she goes outside. Needs to get video/audio of this and get appropriate authorities involved. Sue the neighbor for harassment or assault.
Meanwhile, don't forget, the dogs in pack mode could be dangerous and if she should suffer a bite call police immediately to have the dogs removed for they are dangerous and the neighbor should not be allowed to have them if she can't or won't control them.
all very good points. maybe she should have someone else film as she may need to 'rescue' her own dog.
Andrea3051
12-26-2021, 09:08 AM
Not disagreeing with your overall message but there are couple of incorrect points you made. Two dog rule is true in most districts but not all. If the OP lives in District 13, there are no limit on the number of domestic pets. Also, leash law does not apply to one’s own yard. Doesn’t negate the fact that the neighbor sounds like a irresponsible dog owner that is oblivious to other’s concerns or property.
You are correct, I am in District 13 so no limits plus I wouldn't turn her in anyway, that will just start a war! I just want her to change her behavior & not walk outside with her unleashed pack, in consideration for others. I also want an apology for blaming me as a cause, but won't hold my breath. I could never be mean or cause harm to others, my mommy raised me right..
John Mayes
12-26-2021, 09:13 AM
You are correct, I am in District 13 so no limits plus I wouldn't turn her in anyway, that will just start a war! I just want her to change her behavior & not walk outside with her unleashed pack, in consideration for others. I also want an apology for blaming me as a cause, but won't hold my breath. I could never be mean or cause harm to others, my mommy raised me right..
It would be nice if pet owners could take responsibility for their unruly pets and consider others. It’s totally unacceptable for your neighbor to let them run onto your property.
spd2918
12-26-2021, 09:27 AM
It's sad to see so many bad dog owners in TV. THE MAJORITY ARE GREAT, but there are too many owners that let their precious little rat sized dogs do whatever enters their little rat sized brains. They never train their dogs to walk properly, socialize with other dogs, or stay in their own yard.
I agree with the suggestion to carry whatever type of pepper spray that's legal. The dog will remember it use and will avoid the human that used it. I know this from experience. It is too bad the idiot owner set the dog up for such an event, but you can't fix them.
tophcfa
12-26-2021, 09:32 AM
Makes one wish they could get an invisible fence shock collar, put it around the irresponsible dog owners neck, crank it up to maximum, and blast the idiot every time their dogs are allowed to run leash free on your property. It’s not the dogs that need training, it’s the irresponsible owner!
Rose Ann Vinci Igoe
12-26-2021, 10:03 AM
Sorry to hear your dilemma. I have a similar unwanted dog/neighbor issue- the old, cancer filled dog thinks my yard is his potty...I've discussed it with the neighbor, but like your problem ,falls on deft ears. So now I keep a loaded squirt gun by the door. Yes, I have startled him a few times and will continue. The neighbor said...." oh, don't hurt my little baby" .....really?
Next its gonna have a little vinegar in there.
Obviously I don't want to hurt any dog, as you wouldn't either...but maybe carry a little spray bottle with you and give them a startle. I sure hope it's just little ones that are running out to you, because if not, it's time for some authoritative person step in...maybe write a ticket.
Eitherway, Merry Christmas
Keep in mind it's not the dog's fault... It's the owner. All dogs ARE to be leashed, there is a fine. Also yes they will do what a dog does and walk them or live beside them... they will pee and poop, and it is legal even on your property... but they HAVE TO PICK UP THE POOP.. you can report them.
fdpaq0580
12-26-2021, 11:05 AM
[QUOTE= It’s not the dogs that need training, it’s the irresponsible owner![/QUOTE]
Actually, it is both. The responsibility lies with the owner.
Andrea3051
12-26-2021, 11:06 AM
It's sad to see so many bad dog owners in TV. THE MAJORITY ARE GREAT, but there are too many owners that let their precious little rat sized dogs do whatever enters their little rat sized brains. They never train their dogs to walk properly, socialize with other dogs, or stay in their own yard.
I agree with the suggestion to carry whatever type of pepper spray that's legal. The dog will remember it use and will avoid the human that used it. I know this from experience. It is too bad the idiot owner set the dog up for such an event, but you can't fix them.
thanks, it is a shame because so many are great doggie parents but the few will always ruin it for those around them. I guess I am expected to stand there and watch them come at us and wait for something bad to happen before reacting based on the owners words ?? Its not the dogs fault which is why I am trying to avoid something bad happening which will then cause a lot of unnecessary and unwanted drama in our neighborhood. I understand now why people move around TV multiple times but it should not be like this here and I am pretty shocked at the behavior for sure. This is fixable but my neighbors won't change so now I have to be on alert and avoid this issue best I can but this is so unfair for the cost of living here, I deserve better ;(
fdpaq0580
12-26-2021, 11:18 AM
Keep in mind it's not the dog's fault... It's the owner. All dogs ARE to be leashed, there is a fine. Also yes they will do what a dog does and walk them or live beside them... they will pee and poop, and it is legal even on your property... but they HAVE TO PICK UP THE POOP.. you can report them.
Dog on leash can only go on neighbors property if owner let's it. Going onto neighbors property Without permission is called trespass. Using neighbors property as a toilet for your dog(s) is disgusting, rude and being a bad neighbor.
Cyndee@twc.com
12-26-2021, 11:30 AM
Most of us are!!! how about a whistle or a small stun gun I have one and if i just turn it on a hit the trigger the dog runs I never touch him with it
Andrea3051
12-26-2021, 12:11 PM
how about a whistle or a small stun gun I have one and if i just turn it on a hit the trigger the dog runs I never touch him with it
I have a whistle & dog horn so I guess I need to carry them when just popping outside for a quick trip. But I know if I use them the owner will be aggressive and yelling at me again for doing so, I think I'm supposed to stand there.
VApeople
12-26-2021, 12:20 PM
I have a whistle & dog horn so I guess I need to carry them when just popping outside for a quick trip.
You are a quick learner, Andrea.
But I know if I use them the owner will be aggressive and yelling at me again for doing so
That means you upset her much more than she upset you. In my book, that means you won.
Andrea3051
12-27-2021, 03:02 PM
You are a quick learner, Andrea.
That means you upset her much more than she upset you. In my book, that means you won.
You are all such wonderful neighbors with great advice & understanding.. Wish I had that next door to me so this issue would be resolved quickly or never happen at all..
rde3036
12-27-2021, 05:08 PM
PePper spray devices that hold 2 0z or less are legal to carry in Florida.
Velvet
12-27-2021, 06:00 PM
My friend breeds and shows American Staffordshire Terriers, he offered me two beautiful puppies. They need constant training more energy than I have so regretfully I didn’t accept them. They would have easily solved your dog problem though.
Djean1981
12-27-2021, 07:45 PM
"and it is legal even on your property" ?
How? I believe the easements are only for utilities...
fdpaq0580
12-28-2021, 10:11 AM
"and it is legal even on your property" ?
How? I believe the easements are only for utilities...
You pay the property taxes right to the edge, it's your property. Utility workers can access to work on, install utilities. All others are trespassing.
Isn't it interesting how some rewrite, interpret laws to suit themselves.
Wyseguy
12-28-2021, 11:08 AM
Thanks I did buy some defensive tools because of this issue, I just don't carry when stepping out for last call at night but clearly I will need to start.
I know most people here are so lovely but these others really ruin it! Merry Christmas
Carry bear pepper spray. It is horrible that a dig or dogs will pay the price for their owners ignorance, but what choice do you have.
mulligan
12-29-2021, 11:01 AM
Carry a strong spray bottle filled with straight ammonia. Dogs may still charge, but only once. And/or stop at a consignment shop and pick up an old 3-wood. 1 to the chin should stop them.
ThirdOfFive
12-29-2021, 12:38 PM
Carry a strong spray bottle filled with straight ammonia. Dogs may still charge, but only once. And/or stop at a consignment shop and pick up an old 3-wood. 1 to the chin should stop them.
I have a walking stick I picked up when I had my knee replaced. $200-something on Amazon, solid Carpathian Oak with a metal figurine for a handle that must weigh over a pound by itself. One swing from that would convince any dog that perhaps attacking me isn't the best choice...
fdpaq0580
12-30-2021, 10:42 AM
I have a walking stick I picked up when I had my knee replaced. $200-something on Amazon, solid Carpathian Oak with a metal figurine for a handle that must weigh over a pound by itself. One swing from that would convince any dog that perhaps attacking me isn't the best choice...
Carpathian Oak? If the metal head piece is silver then you have a weapon for killing werewolves. Mere dogs wouldn't stand a chance.
😃
Seasonal
12-30-2021, 11:09 AM
Wherever you are in life, there will always be a dog owner that is not bright enough to operate a leash or have control of their dog. Of course, these same dopes cannot follow leash rules or pick-up after their dogs. They are always ready to yell, "don't worry, fluffy is friendly". Like I care how friendly your off leash dog is. Learn how to use a leash and please don't leave home without it connected to your dog. If you believe a leash is inhumane, go to the dog park or stay home.
When you are in public, any space outside of your yard or a dog park, have your dog on a leash and pick-up after it.
We have three dogs and walk them in parks daily. Daily, we get to experience dog owners who should never own a dog. Huge signs noting a leash requirement and their stupid dog running around bothering everyone in the park. We understand that not everyone wants to interact with our pups. Our dogs are always on a leash, quiet, and we pick-up after them.
Northwoods
12-30-2021, 10:27 PM
Dogs should be on leash when not pen in they own yard. And dang sure not be running around off lease in street.Just cause the rules two dogs don’t mean some follow it.
question - Is this your opinion or an ordinance? Do dogs need to be on a leash if they are on "the owners" property?
I take my dog out to do his thing... off leash... on my property. He doesn't run away. He just does his duty.
Are you telling me every time I take my dog out on my property I have to have him on a leash?
CFrance
12-30-2021, 11:05 PM
You pay the property taxes right to the edge, it's your property. Utility workers can access to work on, install utilities. All others are trespassing.
Isn't it interesting how some rewrite, interpret laws to suit themselves.
You are absolutely correct about who owns what on your property. It's all yours, but you must give utility workers access to it--but not dogs or anyone else!
Where do people come up with this false idea that part of your yard is public property because there's an easement on it? It's amazing how many have misinterpreted this, including a good friend of ours who now knows better.
We have rescued a black lab mix. I was reluctant to bring him home at first because I knew from walking him at the Humane Society that he's a marker, and old and probably not going to change his marking ways. I let him mark around our property, then keep him on my right as we face traffic to walk. This puts him on the street but still close enough to be safe. In summer we will walk early morning and after dark. It's not a problem to keep him off others' yards. I mean, c'mon. Who's the boss?
Andrea3051
12-31-2021, 09:17 AM
Wherever you are in life, there will always be a dog owner that is not bright enough to operate a leash or have control of their dog. Of course, these same dopes cannot follow leash rules or pick-up after their dogs. They are always ready to yell, "don't worry, fluffy is friendly". Like I care how friendly your off leash dog is. Learn how to use a leash and please don't leave home without it connected to your dog. If you believe a leash is inhumane, go to the dog park or stay home.
When you are in public, any space outside of your yard or a dog park, have your dog on a leash and pick-up after it.
We have three dogs and walk them in parks daily. Daily, we get to experience dog owners who should never own a dog. Huge signs noting a leash requirement and their stupid dog running around bothering everyone in the park. We understand that not everyone wants to interact with our pups. Our dogs are always on a leash, quiet, and we pick-up after them.
Such wise words! Boy do I wish You were my neighbor instead of her :( its just common courtesy & common sense & I left behind many bad neighbors not thinking I would end up next door to another inconsiderate human that is upsetting my enjoyment of this place. I guess a person that follows all the rules isn't right for my neighborhood? The fact that she yelled at me brings one word to mind "bully" and I don't like bullies! She will continue to harass me with her dogs and any action I take will certainly bring her screaming at me. I need a third party to handle this but the only neighbors I know also unleash their dogs so I am on an island here. This is so bad for my anxiety as I am now having to be prepared when I go outside. I used to have a condo board to help but there doesn't seem to be any help here except to call the authorities.. Shame :(
brianherlihy
12-31-2021, 10:41 AM
i had the guy down the street call the cops on me . i told him to keep his dog off my lawn and stop ****ing and pooping on my place. y dont the go to the dog parks and stop
fdpaq0580
12-31-2021, 11:20 AM
i had the guy down the street call the cops on me . i told him to keep his dog off my lawn and stop ****ing and pooping on my place. y dont the go to the dog parks and stop
Let me get this straight. He trespasses onto your property and proceeds to have his dog dump raw sewage in your yard, and when you tell him to quit doing that he calls the cops on you? Friend, your neighbor is a jerk.
So, if/when the police contacted you did you make a counter complaint? If so, what was the outcome?
ScottGo
12-31-2021, 11:30 AM
question - is this your opinion or an ordinance? Do dogs need to be on a leash if they are on "the owners" property?
I take my dog out to do his thing... Off leash... On my property. He doesn't run away. He just does his duty.
Are you telling me every time i take my dog out on my property i have to have him on a leash?
yes!
Bill14564
12-31-2021, 11:43 AM
question - Is this your opinion or an ordinance? Do dogs need to be on a leash if they are on "the owners" property?
I take my dog out to do his thing... off leash... on my property. He doesn't run away. He just does his duty.
Are you telling me every time I take my dog out on my property I have to have him on a leash?
yes!
Please post a link to the law that says a dog needs to be on a leash while on its own property. There have been multiple posts in multiple threads asserting that but so far no one has cited the law or ordinance.
John Mayes
12-31-2021, 12:44 PM
yes!
This is not correct. On your own property, leashes are not required.
Topspinmo
12-31-2021, 08:39 PM
You pay the property taxes right to the edge, it's your property. Utility workers can access to work on, install utilities. All others are trespassing.
Isn't it interesting how some rewrite, interpret laws to suit themselves.
So if I walk up to you’re front door and knock on door I’m trespassing? No trespassing signs are not allowed in villages, so I don’t know how a person would know you legally posted the property as no trespassing?
Topspinmo
12-31-2021, 08:42 PM
This is not correct. On your own property, leashes are not required.
What are the leash laws in Florida?
Bottom line: your dog MUST be on a leash if it's outside. It is unlawful for a domestic animal to stray, run, go, or roam at-large in or upon any public street, sidewalk, school grounds, in the area of school vehicles, beaches, parks, or on the private property of others without consent of the property owner.Nov 2017.
Not my words. Google can be wealth of information.
Topspinmo
12-31-2021, 08:48 PM
question - Is this your opinion or an ordinance? Do dogs need to be on a leash if they are on "the owners" property?
I take my dog out to do his thing... off leash... on my property. He doesn't run away. He just does his duty.
Are you telling me every time I take my dog out on my property I have to have him on a leash?
Look down I Google Florida leash laws. Or up if reading this post.
Topspinmo
12-31-2021, 08:50 PM
Please post a link to the law that says a dog needs to be on a leash while on its own property. There have been multiple posts in multiple threads asserting that but so far no one has cited the law or ordinance.
Takes about 15 seconds to google Florida leash laws
Topspinmo
12-31-2021, 08:53 PM
PePper spray devices that hold 2 0z or less are legal to carry in Florida.
But, not legal to just spray willie-Nelly. There has to be threat.
JMintzer
12-31-2021, 09:58 PM
What are the leash laws in Florida?
Bottom line: your dog MUST be on a leash if it's outside. It is unlawful for a domestic animal to stray, run, go, or roam at-large in or upon any public street, sidewalk, school grounds, in the area of school vehicles, beaches, parks, or on the private property of others without consent of the property owner.Nov 2017.
Not my words. Google can be wealth of information.
A link would do wonders to back up your claim...
And your post says nothing about your own private property...
JMintzer
12-31-2021, 09:58 PM
So if I walk up to you’re front door and knock on door I’m trespassing? No trespassing signs are not allowed in villages, so I don’t know how a person would know you legally posted the property as no trespassing?
If asked to leave and you refuse? Yes...
JMintzer
12-31-2021, 10:07 PM
Sumter County (as FL has no wide spread leash laws) states the following:
"No person shall cause, permit, or allow a dog or cat to stray or in any manner to run at large in or upon any public street, sidewalk, or other public property or the property of another."
It says absolutely NOTHING about requiring leashes on your own property...
Municode Library (https://library.municode.com/fl/sumter_county/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=COCO_CH4ANCO_S4-10DOCARULA)
Yes, Google is your friend...
Bill14564
12-31-2021, 10:16 PM
Takes about 15 seconds to google Florida leash laws
And they will say that your dog cannot roam uncontrolled on public property. I asked you to provide a link to your claim that a dog must be leashed on your PRIVATE property.... I'm still waiting.
JMintzer
12-31-2021, 10:24 PM
And they will say that your dog cannot roam uncontrolled on public property. I asked you to provide a link to your claim that a dog must be leashed on your PRIVATE property.... I'm still waiting.
Don't hold your breath...
Topspinmo
01-01-2022, 01:39 AM
A link would do wonders to back up your claim...
And your post says nothing about your own private property...
That is link, Google it yourself, you think I made it up. I said not my words.
Topspinmo
01-01-2022, 01:41 AM
Don't hold your breath...
Well, have to be able to comprehend.
Topspinmo
01-01-2022, 01:46 AM
Sumter County (as FL has no wide spread leash laws) states the following:
"No person shall cause, permit, or allow a dog or cat to stray or in any manner to run at large in or upon any public street, sidewalk, or other public property or the property of another."
It says absolutely NOTHING about requiring leashes on your own property...
Municode Library (https://library.municode.com/fl/sumter_county/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=COCO_CH4ANCO_S4-10DOCARULA)
Yes, Google is your friend...
Bottom line: your dog MUST be on a leash if it's outside
Guess you over looked that. Again not my words Florida leash laws.
John Mayes
01-01-2022, 03:06 AM
What are the leash laws in Florida?
Bottom line: your dog MUST be on a leash if it's outside. It is unlawful for a domestic animal to stray, run, go, or roam at-large in or upon any public street, sidewalk, school grounds, in the area of school vehicles, beaches, parks, or on the private property of others without consent of the property owner.Nov 2017.
Not my words. Google can be wealth of information.
Yes, Google is your friend. The ordinance talks about areas other than the homeowners own property. Need to read again.
John Mayes
01-01-2022, 03:09 AM
Bottom line: your dog MUST be on a leash if it's outside
Guess you over looked that. Again not my words Florida leash laws.
Help us by showing the exact wording that says that pets must be on a leash on your own property. Don’t think you can because that wording doesn’t exist.
dewilson58
01-01-2022, 06:47 AM
Help us by showing the exact wording that says that pets must be on a leash on your own property. Don’t think you can because that wording doesn’t exist.
Chapter 4 - ANIMAL CONTROL[1]
Direct control shall mean immediate and continuous physical control of an animal at all times such as by means of a fence, leash, cord, or chain of sufficient strength to restrain the animal; or in the case of specifically trained working, agricultural or hunting animals which immediately respond to such commands, while working; direct control shall also include aural or oral control, if the controlling person is at all times clearly and fully within the unobstructed sight and hearing of the animal.
Bill14564
01-01-2022, 07:01 AM
Chapter 4 - ANIMAL CONTROL[1]
Direct control shall mean immediate and continuous physical control of an animal at all times such as by means of a fence, leash, cord, or chain of sufficient strength to restrain the animal; or in the case of specifically trained working, agricultural or hunting animals which immediately respond to such commands, while working; direct control shall also include aural or oral control, if the controlling person is at all times clearly and fully within the unobstructed sight and hearing of the animal.
Yes, that is the definition of direct control. So according to the ordinance, when must a dog be under direct control?
I can find the term used only twice in the Chapter, once in the definition of "at large" and once under the section concerning exotic animals. A normal/regular/standard/everyday dog is not an exotic animal so that section doesn't apply. By definition:
At large means off the premises of the owner and not under the direct control, custody, charge, or possession of the owner, keeper, or harborer.
an animal is "at large" if it is both not under direct control and off the premises of the owner but since this discussion is about animals which are on the premises of the owner, that section does not apply either.
Two Bills
01-01-2022, 07:27 AM
Many dogs in TV are not under control, even on a leash.
The worst offenders are the retractable lead walkers.
No way are those dogs under control.
JMintzer
01-01-2022, 08:00 AM
That is link, Google it yourself, you think I made it up. I said not my words.
I did, and unlike you, I posted a link to the law that says absolutely nothing about a requirement on PRIVATE PROPERTY...
And what you posted says NOTHING about private property, either...
JMintzer
01-01-2022, 08:01 AM
Bottom line: your dog MUST be on a leash if it's outside
Guess you over looked that. Again not my words Florida leash laws.
Wrong again... This is becoming tiresome...
dewilson58
01-01-2022, 08:02 AM
Some reading from the state prospective:
Understanding Florida Leash Laws - Attorneys Fort Myers, Cape Coral, Naples Florida (https://www.westandforjustice.com/legal-blog/understanding-florida-leash-laws/)
JMintzer
01-01-2022, 08:03 AM
Well, have to be able to comprehend.
Sage words... You might want to follow them...
JMintzer
01-01-2022, 08:06 AM
Many dogs in TV are not under control, even on a leash.
The worst offenders are the retractable lead walkers.
No way are those dogs under control.
Irrelevant to the discussion, but I do see your point...
However, those retractable leashes DO have a button that stops the leash from extending... So the owner can let the dog roam a bit when appropriate and stop them when needed...
JMintzer
01-01-2022, 08:09 AM
Some reading from the state prospective:
Understanding Florida Leash Laws - Attorneys Fort Myers, Cape Coral, Naples Florida (https://www.westandforjustice.com/legal-blog/understanding-florida-leash-laws/)
I was going to post that. Unfortunately, he contradicts what the State actually says (the State leaves it up to the counties)...
dewilson58
01-01-2022, 08:11 AM
I was going to post that. Unfortunately, he contradicts what the State actually says (the State leaves it up to the counties)...
:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
PennBF
01-01-2022, 08:27 AM
The very worst owners of dogs are the ones that let the dog go on your property or take it to the Post Office and allow it to walk on that property and relieve its self. I don't give a darn if it is on a leash or not. The fact that it allows it at the post office where people must go to get their mail or on your property is the height of disrespect. Where a dog goes you can expect to also have unhealthy bacteria. We had a dog for many many years and would never think of being this dis respectable or inconsiderate. It should be a law and a fine for anyone using the Post Office or private property for dog walking.:ohdear:
ThirdOfFive
01-01-2022, 08:38 AM
When we first moved here I found a couple piles of fresh doggie dung in my yard one morning. I cleaned it up, then bought one of those little signs at Lowe's that has a cute puppy on it together with a reminder to "clean up the mess" or something along those lines.
A couple of days later my sign was still there, but turned around. But the poop piles stopped.
Topspinmo
01-01-2022, 09:03 AM
Help us by showing the exact wording that says that pets must be on a leash on your own property. Don’t think you can because that wording doesn’t exist.
Able to roam on to public street. If it’s not leashed or fenced it able to roam off you private front yard. How hard is that to understand. This is the exit problem the lady having the dogs are lose and able to roam off private property. When she allows them to roam off her property cause she don’t have control of them.
Topspinmo
01-01-2022, 09:06 AM
I did, and unlike you, I posted a link to the law that says absolutely nothing about a requirement on PRIVATE PROPERTY...
And what you posted says NOTHING about private property, either...
Again comprehension problem.
PugMom
01-01-2022, 09:16 AM
knowing I probably said this before, let me remind owners even if the dog is 'free' on your own property, there is ALWAYS the risk of attack by a wild animal. (this is one of the few ways i can save my pet.) coyotes have been seen here, a neighbor says there are also bobcats, so what am i to do but be prepared. the dogs are on a leash outside in our yard, fully attended.
fdpaq0580
01-01-2022, 10:31 AM
So if I walk up to you’re front door and knock on door I’m trespassing? No trespassing signs are not allowed in villages, so I don’t know how a person would know you legally posted the property as no trespassing?
Since TV doesn't allow signs, YOU wouldn't. People don't normally put signs on everything they own. Seldom see signs on cars saying "don't steal this car", and without a sign, YOU may think it is ok to steal it. I can just imagine you explaining to the judge, "but, your honor, there were no signs saying not to trespass or steal, so how was I to know it was wrong?"
JMintzer
01-01-2022, 12:13 PM
Again comprehension problem.
Yes, you have one.
My dog is often off leash when with me in my front yard. She responds to verbal commands quite well and will not leave my side.
If she does, then yes, I have broken the law...
But once again, for the reading impaired, there is NO statute that requires you to leash your dog on your own property.
NONE. ZERO. ZILCH. NIL. NAUGHT. ZIP. ZIPPO. SQUAT. Comprende?
JMintzer
01-01-2022, 12:21 PM
Able to roam on to public street. If it’s not leashed or fenced it able to roam off you private front yard. How hard is that to understand. This is the exit problem the lady having the dogs are lose and able to roam off private property. When she allows them to roam off her property cause she don’t have control of them.
You car is ABLE to exceed the speed limit. That is not illegal unless you actually exceed the speed limit.
If you ABLE to commit many crimes. It's only illegal if you actually commit a crime...
Same difference...
dewilson58
01-01-2022, 12:21 PM
But once again, for the reading impaired, there is NO statute that requires you to leash your dog on your own problem.
:clap2:
Topspinmo
01-02-2022, 02:24 PM
You car is ABLE to exceed the speed limit. That is not illegal unless you actually exceed the speed limit.
If you ABLE to commit many crimes. It's only illegal if you actually commit a crime...
Same difference...
Ok, when you’re dog bolts off you’re property and bits someone or get ran over then maybe you understand.
Topspinmo
01-02-2022, 02:28 PM
You car is ABLE to exceed the speed limit. That is not illegal unless you actually exceed the speed limit.
If you ABLE to commit many crimes. It's only illegal if you actually commit a crime...
Same difference...
Just love how we make up or own rules or interpretation.
So, when you dog bolts off? You allowed.
Topspinmo
01-02-2022, 02:30 PM
Since TV doesn't allow signs, YOU wouldn't. People don't normally put signs on everything they own. Seldom see signs on cars saying "don't steal this car", and without a sign, YOU may think it is ok to steal it. I can just imagine you explaining to the judge, "but, your honor, there were no signs saying not to trespass or steal, so how was I to know it was wrong?"
You don’t understand posted property.
Pairadocs
01-02-2022, 03:08 PM
How many more times must I be chased by my neighbors offleash pack of small growling & barking dogs when going outside with my sweet pup? And apparently because I go into protection mode by picking her up to avoid an unknown outcome, I'm in the wrong?
I have only seen these dogs barking & growling which alerts me into defense mode..No idea if friendly
I had hoped people here were as polite and considerate as I am, and most are lovely but I guess a few bad apples are here too
She told me off while I said nothing from the anxiety of the moment. No apology just judgement of my reaction..
I suffer from chronic illness & anxiety, I came here to recover with my emotional support dog. I'm quiet & considerate to everyone yet some just don't care & find it necessary to attack me?
Nobody knows what others are going thru..shame on her & I will no longer be holding my tongue. So much for my quiet peaceful happy place ������
Merry Christmas ...
Honestly, the reality is The Villages is not paradise and not hell, it's like any place you might chose to live... a variety of people of all temperaments. Personally I'm so sorry about your medical problems, but of course there are just cruel people, some have never encountered difficulty in their lives and are just plain "clueless" what others might be going through, and like you said, some are just plain loving and accepting... like ANY place you might have moved. Now, we are not dog or pet owners, so would be coming from a different experience. Many dog owners in the villages will walk for blocks to make encourage their dog(s) to take care of their duties on someone else's lawn. We've had neighbors who have done everything, including signs (forbidden here) of "PLEASE no dogs on our lawn", so you can understand, tensions do exist. We moved here long ago when the community had strict rules about pets, size, weight, and numbers. All that went "out the door" long ago, aggressive breeds, any size, one person (probably more) had FOUR large rescue gray hounds. None of this solves your problem. Also, relatives live in a nice retirement community in Arkansas, she and her beagle were attacked and hurt by a pit bull on a leash. The pit bull pulled the leash right out of the owners grip, my relative quickly dipped down to scoop up her beagle which gave the pit bull just enough time to get access to an area near her ear. She got away with only a gash and no stitches, but.... the dog was impounded for rabies watch, then given back to the owners, no penalty since the dog was fully vaccinated, and still the administration of their retirement community has NOT enforced the covenants against certain aggressive breeds, and, realistically, not all pit bulls or any other breed can be mass labeled "aggressive". Not much help to you, but there are "dog" (or maybe "dog owner") problems everywhere. And hoping the lack of understanding shown to you is a one off thing. Also, though you have a legitimate need for this pet, you also have to remember that there is a growing backlash to the "emotional support" animals... not defending that view, only saying that you should always keep that in mind as some people fed up with it and you never know what some will do if they are not well balanced people in the first place ! Especially true as some, NOT ALL, people get less tolerant as they grow older. Some, who happily accepted "guide dogs" for the blind, are not longer tolerant of dogs in stores, on planes, cruise ships, restaurants, etc. Guess you could "try" to explain your situation to the woman... but... not a high percentage she would understand !
JMintzer
01-02-2022, 04:33 PM
Just love how we make up or own rules or interpretation.
So, when you dog bolts off? You allowed.
NO, that would be YOU, making up laws that don't exist...
JMintzer
01-02-2022, 04:36 PM
Just love how we make up or own rules or interpretation.
So, when you dog bolts off? You allowed.
Did you miss where I wrote this?
"My dog is often off leash when with me in my front yard. She responds to verbal commands quite well and will not leave my side.
If she does, then yes, I have broken the law..."
Apparently, you did...
VApeople
01-02-2022, 05:33 PM
The very worst owners of dogs are the ones that let the dog go on your property or take it to the Post Office and allow it to walk on that property and relieve its self.
If it bothers you to find dog crap at your local postal station, then move to one of the new neighborhoods south of Route 44.
Some of the older neighborhoods down there, like Monarch Grove, ban dogs from the activities at a postal station, but not from the postal station itself.
The newer neighborhoods, like Bradford and St. Catherine, ban dogs from both the postal station and from all other activities, like shuffleboard.
Anyone who does not believe me can go there and read the signs.
JMintzer
01-02-2022, 05:47 PM
If it bothers you to find dog crap at your local postal station, then move to one of the new neighborhoods south of Route 44.
Some of the older neighborhoods down there, like Monarch Grove, ban dogs from the activities at a postal station, but not from the postal station itself.
The newer neighborhoods, like Bradford and St. Catherine, ban dogs from both the postal station and from all other activities, like shuffleboard.
Anyone who does not believe me can go there and read the signs.
If my dog can't play shuffleboard, I'm not moving there!
Silly me, I thought the Postal Stations were the places you go to pick up your mail...
Number 10 GI
01-02-2022, 06:26 PM
How Does Florida Define Criminal Trespass?
According to Florida Statutes Section 810.08, et seq, criminal trespass is the willful entry into (or remaining on) a property without the express or implied permission of the owner.
Florida recognizes two specific types of trespass, trespass in a structure or conveyance, and trespass on property other than a structure or conveyance.
Trespass in a Structure or Conveyance
The crime of trespass in a structure or conveyance occurs when a person willfully enters or remains in any structure (such as a building or dwelling) or conveyance without being authorized. It also applies to situations when a person had been authorized or licensed to be on the property, but was told to leave and remained anyway.
This is generally considered a second-degree misdemeanor which can result in spending up to 60 days in jail. However, it can be elevated to a first-degree misdemeanor (which can result in spending up to one year in jail) when someone else is present during the trespass or to a third-degree felony (which can result in spending up to five years in prison) when a trespasser is armed with a firearm or dangerous weapon.
Trespass on Property Other Than a Structure or Conveyance
Trespass on property other than a structure or conveyance occurs when a person willfully enters (or remains in) any property other than a structure or conveyance without being authorized, licensed, or invited.
This is generally considered a first-degree misdemeanor which can result in spending up to one year in jail. However, it can be elevated to a third-degree felony (which can result in spending up to five years in prison) when a trespasser is armed with a firearm or dangerous weapon.
How Must the Prosecution Prove Trespassing?
To be convicted of Florida trespassing offenses, the prosecution must generally prove that the trespass was willful, in other words, that the trespasser knew they were trespassing.
In some situations, a trespasser may have thought they had an implied invitation to remain on the property or they were not specifically told to leave. Courts will look at the facts and circumstances surrounding the situation and determine what a reasonable person would have thought in the situation.
There are many legal defenses to Florida trespassing charges, including:
No communication to leave the property
Lack of intent
Lack of notice or improper notice
Express or implied invitations to enter or remain
Withdrawing the request to leave
An experienced Florida trespassing lawyer can determine whether someone was trespassing on a property and what legal defenses might apply to the situation.
There is no requirement for a "No Trespassing" sign. However, it can be a defense in a trial that there was no sign but the lack of a sign does not mean an automatic not guilty verdict.
VApeople
01-02-2022, 10:44 PM
Silly me, I thought the Postal Stations were the places you go to pick up your mail...
In Osceola Hills where we live, it is also a place where dogs are welcome to crap.
In the more modern areas like Citrus Grove, dogs are forbidden at the postal stations.
fdpaq0580
01-02-2022, 10:58 PM
How Does Florida Define Criminal Trespass?
According to Florida Statutes Section 810.08, et seq, criminal trespass is the willful entry into (or remaining on) a property without the express or implied permission of the owner.
Florida recognizes two specific types of trespass, trespass in a structure or conveyance, and trespass on property other than a structure or conveyance.
Trespass in a Structure or Conveyance
The crime of trespass in a structure or conveyance occurs when a person willfully enters or remains in any structure (such as a building or dwelling) or conveyance without being authorized. It also applies to situations when a person had been authorized or licensed to be on the property, but was told to leave and remained anyway.
This is generally considered a second-degree misdemeanor which can result in spending up to 60 days in jail. However, it can be elevated to a first-degree misdemeanor (which can result in spending up to one year in jail) when someone else is present during the trespass or to a third-degree felony (which can result in spending up to five years in prison) when a trespasser is armed with a firearm or dangerous weapon.
Trespass on Property Other Than a Structure or Conveyance
Trespass on property other than a structure or conveyance occurs when a person willfully enters (or remains in) any property other than a structure or conveyance without being authorized, licensed, or invited.
This is generally considered a first-degree misdemeanor which can result in spending up to one year in jail. However, it can be elevated to a third-degree felony (which can result in spending up to five years in prison) when a trespasser is armed with a firearm or dangerous weapon.
How Must the Prosecution Prove Trespassing?
To be convicted of Florida trespassing offenses, the prosecution must generally prove that the trespass was willful, in other words, that the trespasser knew they were trespassing.
In some situations, a trespasser may have thought they had an implied invitation to remain on the property or they were not specifically told to leave. Courts will look at the facts and circumstances surrounding the situation and determine what a reasonable person would have thought in the situation.
There are many legal defenses to Florida trespassing charges, including:
No communication to leave the property
Lack of intent
Lack of notice or improper notice
Express or implied invitations to enter or remain
Withdrawing the request to leave
An experienced Florida trespassing lawyer can determine whether someone was trespassing on a property and what legal defenses might apply to the situation.
There is no requirement for a "No Trespassing" sign. However, it can be a defense in a trial that there was no sign but the lack of a sign does not mean an automatic not guilty verdict.
Thank you, Number 10 GI. After reading your post there is no way anyone should still believe they are entitled to use anyone else's property as a toilet for their dog (s).
Simple decent responsibility and respect for your neighbor's property is all that should be necessary.
fdpaq0580
01-02-2022, 11:12 PM
In Osceola Hills where we live, it is also a place where dogs are welcome to crap.
In the more modern areas like Citrus Grove, dogs are forbidden at the postal stations.
I think your first sentence is a mistake. Dogs are not necessarily "welcome to crap" there, but for whatever reasons irresponsible, self entitled, disrespectful dog owners just do it because no one has told them they shouldn't.
Pairadocs
01-02-2022, 11:17 PM
The very worst owners of dogs are the ones that let the dog go on your property or take it to the Post Office and allow it to walk on that property and relieve its self. I don't give a darn if it is on a leash or not. The fact that it allows it at the post office where people must go to get their mail or on your property is the height of disrespect. Where a dog goes you can expect to also have unhealthy bacteria. We had a dog for many many years and would never think of being this dis respectable or inconsiderate. It should be a law and a fine for anyone using the Post Office or private property for dog walking.:ohdear:
Disrespectful is putting it mildly ! Had many dogs when the kids were growing up, so did nearly all our neighbors no matter where we lived, various states, communities, but THIS, in THE VILLAGES... it's beyond anything we've ever seen. Never in the communities we lived in as a family, with amenities of a golf course, club house, and several pools, did ANYONE EVER take their dog to the club house area, pool area, etc. to "relieve" itself. It's EVERY day at our mail box station, they bring them in strollers, in golf carts, they walk them there, anywhere but their own yard.... any neighbors yard will do (as long as it's a couple blocks away. They stand in the street and urge the dog into the yards of people they don't know. Right now the smell is not real bad, but in the summer months, it's more than anyone should have to endure as the pool is right next to their "dumping ground".... all over the grass, saw one couple with two young kids, probably grand kids. As kids do, they got off the golf cart bare foot as gram got the mail ... sure enough, just innocent kids, not running wild at all, just enjoying the warm climate, innocently walking in a small grassy area by the mail boxes ! I "think" it was probably meant to be an attractive area... not a filthy dump of dog dropping and yellow patches. But the summer months are the most unbelievable of all....some pet owners actually do pick up he droppings and put it in plastic bags...but take it to THEIR HOME and put it in their garbage..... never ! Many can not read apparently, "DO NOT dispose of dog feces in this container" , maybe have no idea what "feces" means ? ... can anyone imagine what it must be like to be the person who has to CLEAN THOSE every night ? The SMELL in the pool area on a hot summer day, coming out of those waste receptacles and off the piles on the surrounding grass. Always been surprised even the villages administration puts up with it, but, they can't act as dog police of course ! Just sad, such a nice community, and it takes all kinds as they say !
Pairadocs
01-02-2022, 11:28 PM
In Osceola Hills where we live, it is also a place where dogs are welcome to crap.
In the more modern areas like Citrus Grove, dogs are forbidden at the postal stations.
Really ???? LUCKY PEOPLE, sure wish that was the rule at EVERY postal station adjoining a POOL especially, some days in summer, we just can't take it, can really get over powering. Have never in all these years seen the villages administration take any actions to even try to stop it. For a couple years they posted a "please do not put dog feces in these containers" but of course, none of the dog people wanted to gather up their plastic bags of dung and tote it to their own garbage in their homes... who would ?
JMintzer
01-03-2022, 07:34 AM
Really ???? LUCKY PEOPLE, sure wish that was the rule at EVERY postal station adjoining a POOL especially, some days in summer, we just can't take it, can really get over powering. Have never in all these years seen the villages administration take any actions to even try to stop it. For a couple years they posted a "please do not put dog feces in these containers" but of course, none of the dog people wanted to gather up their plastic bags of dung and tote it to their own garbage in their homes... who would ?
My wife and I do... Every single time...
And I see many people walking their dog in the neighborhood "toting plastic bags of dung"...
brianherlihy
01-03-2022, 11:04 AM
i just pick it up and put it in the street and keep putting it in the street
VApeople
01-03-2022, 11:04 AM
In Osceola Hills where we live, it is also a place where dogs are welcome to crap.
I think your first sentence is a mistake. Dogs are not necessarily "welcome to crap" there
At our postal station, dogs are definitely "welcome to crap" there. I saw one guy who would let his dog off his leash so he could crap wherever he chose, while the owner sat in his golf cart looking thru his mail.
JMintzer
01-03-2022, 03:02 PM
At our postal station, dogs are definitely "welcome to crap" there. I saw one guy who would let his dog off his leash so he could crap wherever he chose, while the owner sat in his golf cart looking thru his mail.
Did you say something to him?
VApeople
01-03-2022, 04:22 PM
At our postal station, dogs are definitely "welcome to crap" there. I saw one guy who would let his dog off his leash so he could crap wherever he chose, while the owner sat in his golf cart looking thru his mail.
Did you say something to him?
Yes, in a VERY firm voice I told him his dog had to be on a leash.
I didn't say anything about his dog crapping at the postal station because there is no sign forbidding dogs at our postal station like there is in the newer areas.
John-US
01-03-2022, 04:35 PM
I too find it a bit strange - why I stopped going to the farmers markets - it's a dog show. (why does anyone think a dog wants to walk on hot pavement?) while the place is supposed to be for healthy folks who want good produce and other sundries.
Topspinmo
01-03-2022, 07:07 PM
This has been high jacked to really good dog poop thread. :ho:
golfing eagles
01-03-2022, 07:08 PM
This has been high jacked to really good dog poop thread. :ho:
That's so us long-timers can wax nostalgic:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Topspinmo
01-03-2022, 07:11 PM
NO, that would be YOU, making up laws that don't exist...
Nice try.
Topspinmo
01-03-2022, 07:13 PM
Did you miss where I wrote this?
Apparently, you did...
But, you allow dog off leash so you broke the law on intent.
JMintzer
01-03-2022, 08:08 PM
Nice try.
Show me the law that states a dog MUST be on a leash while on one's yard.
I'll wait...
JMintzer
01-03-2022, 08:09 PM
But, you allow dog off leash so you broke the law on intent.
Bwahahaha!
That is the most ridiculous thing you've written yet!
What law did I break by having my dog off leash in my own yard?
Topspinmo
01-04-2022, 03:39 PM
Bwahahaha!
That is the most ridiculous thing you've written yet!
What law did I break by having my dog off leash in my own yard?
You just don’t get it. The lady having the same problem, her neighbor allows dogs come out of garage or front door and not restrained. So they run off their property and attack whom every next door or in street. I’m not going to copy the ordinance/state/city requirements of NOT letting animal room freely off you’re property. So, you’re dog will NEVER a room off you’re front yard without being restrained which is fine, but it it does and bits someone you ARE in violation. The OP has problem of dogs being able to roam off there property and attack her dog which retrained on her property. Exactly why the ordinance/regulations were written.
JSR22
01-04-2022, 03:41 PM
You just don’t get it. The lady having the same problem, her neighbor allows dogs come out of garage or front door and not restrained. So they run off their property and attack whom every next door or in street. I’m not going to copy the ordinance/state/city requirements of NOT letting animal room freely off you’re property. So, you’re dog will NEVER a room off you’re front yard without being restrained which is fine, but it it does and bits someone you ARE in violation. The OP has problem of dogs being able to roam off there property and attack her dog which retrained on her property. Exactly why the ordinance/regulations were written.
One of my dogs is always unrestrained. The younger one is always leashed.
JMintzer
01-04-2022, 04:26 PM
You just don’t get it. The lady having the same problem, her neighbor allows dogs come out of garage or front door and not restrained. So they run off their property and attack whom every next door or in street. I’m not going to copy the ordinance/state/city requirements of NOT letting animal room freely off you’re property. So, you’re dog will NEVER a room off you’re front yard without being restrained which is fine, but it it does and bits someone you ARE in violation. The OP has problem of dogs being able to roam off there property and attack her dog which retrained on her property. Exactly why the ordinance/regulations were written.
So, Like I said, If my dogs remain on my property, while off leash, I have broken no laws.
Finally, you get it! I'll alert the media!
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