TIPPING when placing an order>>>

[DeanFL]

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Read this article on Yahoo just now.

Customers hate tipping before they're served – and asking makes them less likely to return

Imagine you’re in line at a coffee shop. You order your usual cappuccino and swipe your credit card to pay. Then the cashier swivels a little screen that prompts you for a tip – before the espresso shot is pulled or a drop of milk steamed.

Do you tip more, perhaps hoping that it will lead to a better drink? Or less or none at all, peeved at being asked to reward service that hasn’t happened yet? Do you feel pressured into tipping the suggested amounts, which can equate to more than half the price of the drink?
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Unsure how many places in The Villages may do this. But I absolutely recall this at Panera in Lake Sumter a couple years ago. They seemed to have a new method, if paying by credit card - the order-taker would swing the screen around towards you to press OK after pressing the TIP amount. Of course you COULD press 0, and OK. But in the 3 cases we ordered she would hover right over the screen to watch your entry. Intimidating. We stopped going to Panera about 2 years ago for other reasons, but this was a reason too.

Now we are good tippers - unless the service was NOT good, always tip 20% or more. But when (kinda) pressed to tip - at a quick service place, uh, that's a bit over the top. The first time this happened at Panera and she 'hovered' I think I pressed 15%, the next couple times, 0.

It's one thing to have a tip jar at Quick service places, but...

Not sure if Panera or others still do this in TV....


Customers hate tipping before they're served – and asking makes them less likely to return (https://www.yahoo.com/news/customers-hate-tipping-theyre-served-135345813.html)
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[Bogie Shooter]

2 years ago…………

[Arctic Fox]

Total Wine adds a suggested tip if you order for delivery

We remove it and give the driver cash when he delivers

[Dana1963]

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Read this article on Yahoo just now.

Customers hate tipping before they're served – and asking makes them less likely to return

Imagine you’re in line at a coffee shop. You order your usual cappuccino and swipe your credit card to pay. Then the cashier swivels a little screen that prompts you for a tip – before the espresso shot is pulled or a drop of milk steamed.

Do you tip more, perhaps hoping that it will lead to a better drink? Or less or none at all, peeved at being asked to reward service that hasn’t happened yet? Do you feel pressured into tipping the suggested amounts, which can equate to more than half the price of the drink?
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Unsure how many places in The Villages may do this. But I absolutely recall this at Panera in Lake Sumter a couple years ago. They seemed to have a new method, if paying by credit card - the order-taker would swing the screen around towards you to press OK after pressing the TIP amount. Of course you COULD press 0, and OK. But in the 3 cases we ordered she would hover right over the screen to watch your entry. Intimidating. We stopped going to Panera about 2 years ago for other reasons, but this was a reason too.

Now we are good tippers - unless the service was NOT good, always tip 20% or more. But when (kinda) pressed to tip - at a quick service place, uh, that's a bit over the top. The first time this happened at Panera and she 'hovered' I think I pressed 15%, the next couple times, 0.

It's one thing to have a tip jar at Quick service places, but...

Not sure if Panera or others still do this in TV....


Customers hate tipping before they're served – and asking makes them less likely to return (https://www.yahoo.com/news/customers-hate-tipping-theyre-served-135345813.html)
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If it’s counter service no way am I tipping %15 to 20%

[Stu from NYC]

If it’s counter service no way am I tipping %15 to 20%

When we sit at a table and they bring us our order that gets a tip.

Tipping when ordering at a counter and they hand it to us does not get a tip.

[njbchbum]

2 years ago…………

But the article was just published Fri, December 24, 2021, 10:32 AM

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

I never tip with my credit card I always use cash and I always overtip ,if I get a coffee during day I usually leave a couple of bucks ,I know they are only handing it to you but I look at it is just helping bump there income .

[Stu from NYC]

I never tip with my credit card I always use cash and I always overtip ,if I get a coffee during day I usually leave a couple of bucks ,I know they are only handing it to you but I look at it is just helping bump there income .

Your money your choice

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

I know that I don’t have to be told that , go pats

[alwann]

Question: Let's say it's a dinner out. Do you base your tip on the pre-tax total or after tax? Basing a tip of the total including tax can make a big difference, either for you or the server.

Rant: Also, did you ever think about how illogical the tipping scheme is? It's based on the cost of the meal. Not on how much effort went into serving it. Suppose I get the filet mignon and tip 20% on a $40 dinner. The guy in the booth behind me gets meatloaf and tips 20% on a $15 meal. My waiter gets $8 tip. The meatloaf server gets $3.00. Same amount of service. Sure, I understand tips are usually pooled and shared, but not always. What's more, the hardest working staffers, the cooks, may not get any of the tip money.

Rant 2: Where will this stop? Tip jars are showing up everywhere. My local Winn-Dixie had tip jars at the check-outs. They weren't there when the minimum wage was lower. What's next: tip the doctor for giving you a correct diagnosis?

[Stu from NYC]

Rant 2: Where will this stop? Tip jars are showing up everywhere. My local Winn-Dixie had tip jars at the check-outs. They weren't there when the minimum wage was lower. What's next: tip the doctor for giving you a correct diagnosis?

Tip jars are getting out of hand.

[RedChariot]

Question: Let's say it's a dinner out. Do you base your tip on the pre-tax total or after tax? Basing a tip of the total including tax can make a big difference, either for you or the server.

Rant: Also, did you ever think about how illogical the tipping scheme is? It's based on the cost of the meal. Not on how much effort went into serving it. Suppose I get the filet mignon and tip 20% on a $40 dinner. The guy in the booth behind me gets meatloaf and tips 20% on a $15 meal. My waiter gets $8 tip. The meatloaf server gets $3.00. Same amount of service. Sure, I understand tips are usually pooled and shared, but not always. What's more, the hardest working staffers, the cooks, may not get any of the tip money.

Rant 2: Where will this stop? Tip jars are showing up everywhere. My local Winn-Dixie had tip jars at the check-outs. They weren't there when the minimum wage was lower. What's next: tip the doctor for giving you a correct diagnosis?

Tipping has gotten out of hand. Again where will it end? I travel to the Chinese or pizza to pick up the food myself. Why do I have to tip the person that hands me the food? Delivery absolutely.

[JMintzer]

What's next: tip the doctor for giving you a correct diagnosis?

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:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Garywt]

Everyone has to do what works for them for sure. I have no exact rules but generally a coffee or ice cream at a counter does not get a tip. A takeout order from a restaurant will get a tip but not as much as if I was sitting there getting service the entire meal. Then of course how good the service was and the cost of the food factors in. As an example someone working at a pizza joint is not going to make the same as someone at a steakhouse.

[npwalters]

Question: Let's say it's a dinner out. Do you base your tip on the pre-tax total or after tax? Basing a tip of the total including tax can make a big difference, either for you or the server.

Rant: Also, did you ever think about how illogical the tipping scheme is? It's based on the cost of the meal. Not on how much effort went into serving it. Suppose I get the filet mignon and tip 20% on a $40 dinner. The guy in the booth behind me gets meatloaf and tips 20% on a $15 meal. My waiter gets $8 tip. The meatloaf server gets $3.00. Same amount of service. Sure, I understand tips are usually pooled and shared, but not always. What's more, the hardest working staffers, the cooks, may not get any of the tip money.

Rant 2: Where will this stop? Tip jars are showing up everywhere. My local Winn-Dixie had tip jars at the check-outs. They weren't there when the minimum wage was lower. What's next: tip the doctor for giving you a correct diagnosis?

I totally agree. This is why I usually way over tip in Waffle House and undertip in upscale restaurants. The establishment and amenities are already priced into the meal.

So, if you just consider SERVICE the Waffle House waitress takes your order, fills your coffee cup 2 or 3 times, brings your meal, calls you sweetie, and brings the bill. Say you ordered eggs and bacon. With coffee less than 10 bucks. 20% tip?- $2.00.

A steak at Chop House and 2 glasses of wine. About the same service (again ignore the atmosphere - you pay for that in the meal) and the bill is around 50 bucks. 20% tip? - $10.

Stupid custom. I wish the servers were just paid a decent wage and there was no tipping like in many European countries.

[Stu from NYC]

I totally agree. This is why I usually way over tip in Waffle House and undertip in upscale restaurants. The establishment and amenities are already priced into the meal.

So, if you just consider SERVICE the Waffle House waitress takes your order, fills your coffee cup 2 or 3 times, brings your meal, calls you sweetie, and brings the bill. Say you ordered eggs and bacon. With coffee less than 10 bucks. 20% tip?- $2.00.

A steak at Chop House and 2 glasses of wine. About the same service (again ignore the atmosphere - you pay for that in the meal) and the bill is around 50 bucks. 20% tip? - $10.

Stupid custom. I wish the servers were just paid a decent wage and there was no tipping like in many European countries.

Tipping is spreading over there.

If servers were smart they would train at a place like Waffle House and than seek to move up to a higher end place where they can make more money.

But than again a waffle house table probably turns over 4-5x as often as a Chop House so perhaps their is not that big an income disparity.

[JMintzer]

I totally agree. This is why I usually way over tip in Waffle House and undertip in upscale restaurants. The establishment and amenities are already priced into the meal.

So, if you just consider SERVICE the Waffle House waitress takes your order, fills your coffee cup 2 or 3 times, brings your meal, calls you sweetie, and brings the bill. Say you ordered eggs and bacon. With coffee less than 10 bucks. 20% tip?- $2.00.

A steak at Chop House and 2 glasses of wine. About the same service (again ignore the atmosphere - you pay for that in the meal) and the bill is around 50 bucks. 20% tip? - $10.

Stupid custom. I wish the servers were just paid a decent wage and there was no tipping like in many European countries.

I'm the same way. They lower the cost, the higher the tip percentage...

During Covid, I've been tipping like Ray Liotta in the night club scene in "Goodfellas"...

They risked their health to be there for us, well before a vaccine was available...

Goodfellas Night Club Scene - Copacabana - Henry Hill - YouTube (https://youtu.be/4aQ4Vj1OtjQ)

[thevillages2013]

What's next: tip the doctor for giving you a correct diagnosis?[/QUOTE]

That is an idea next time I am at the Proctologist I’ll tell him his tip depends on how gentle he is:bigbow:

[OhioBuckeye]

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Read this article on Yahoo just now.

Customers hate tipping before they're served – and asking makes them less likely to return

Imagine you’re in line at a coffee shop. You order your usual cappuccino and swipe your credit card to pay. Then the cashier swivels a little screen that prompts you for a tip – before the espresso shot is pulled or a drop of milk steamed.

Do you tip more, perhaps hoping that it will lead to a better drink? Or less or none at all, peeved at being asked to reward service that hasn’t happened yet? Do you feel pressured into tipping the suggested amounts, which can equate to more than half the price of the drink?
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Unsure how many places in The Villages may do this. But I absolutely recall this at Panera in Lake Sumter a couple years ago. They seemed to have a new method, if paying by credit card - the order-taker would swing the screen around towards you to press OK after pressing the TIP amount. Of course you COULD press 0, and OK. But in the 3 cases we ordered she would hover right over the screen to watch your entry. Intimidating. We stopped going to Panera about 2 years ago for other reasons, but this was a reason too.

Now we are good tippers - unless the service was NOT good, always tip 20% or more. But when (kinda) pressed to tip - at a quick service place, uh, that's a bit over the top. The first time this happened at Panera and she 'hovered' I think I pressed 15%, the next couple times, 0.

It's one thing to have a tip jar at Quick service places, but...

Not sure if Panera or others still do this in TV....


Customers hate tipping before they're served – and asking makes them less likely to return (https://www.yahoo.com/news/customers-hate-tipping-theyre-served-135345813.html)
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I think they should ask for a raise, it’s makes about as much sense. If the help think they need a tip to offset their weekly pay, they definitely aren’t getting paid enough. Tips are for good service, not for pouring them a cup of cappuccino. You’re right find somewhere else to get your morning Joe!

[jedalton]

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Read this article on Yahoo just now.

Customers hate tipping before they're served – and asking makes them less likely to return

Imagine you’re in line at a coffee shop. You order your usual cappuccino and swipe your credit card to pay. Then the cashier swivels a little screen that prompts you for a tip – before the espresso shot is pulled or a drop of milk steamed.

Do you tip more, perhaps hoping that it will lead to a better drink? Or less or none at all, peeved at being asked to reward service that hasn’t happened yet? Do you feel pressured into tipping the suggested amounts, which can equate to more than half the price of the drink?
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Unsure how many places in The Villages may do this. But I absolutely recall this at Panera in Lake Sumter a couple years ago. They seemed to have a new method, if paying by credit card - the order-taker would swing the screen around towards you to press OK after pressing the TIP amount. Of course you COULD press 0, and OK. But in the 3 cases we ordered she would hover right over the screen to watch your entry. Intimidating. We stopped going to Panera about 2 years ago for other reasons, but this was a reason too.

Now we are good tippers - unless the service was NOT good, always tip 20% or more. But when (kinda) pressed to tip - at a quick service place, uh, that's a bit over the top. The first time this happened at Panera and she 'hovered' I think I pressed 15%, the next couple times, 0.

It's one thing to have a tip jar at Quick service places, but...

Not sure if Panera or others still do this in TV....


Customers hate tipping before they're served – and asking makes them less likely to return (https://www.yahoo.com/news/customers-hate-tipping-theyre-served-135345813.html)
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To Insure Prompt Service (TIPS) and that's exactly what I tip fort

[donassaid]

Never quite got into tipping non waiters. People behind the counter are order takers and provide no customer service other than taking your money. Do you tip at McDonald's, Duncan Donuts, or Chick-fil-A? No difference.

[Eg_cruz]

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Read this article on Yahoo just now.

Customers hate tipping before they're served – and asking makes them less likely to return

Imagine you’re in line at a coffee shop. You order your usual cappuccino and swipe your credit card to pay. Then the cashier swivels a little screen that prompts you for a tip – before the espresso shot is pulled or a drop of milk steamed.

Do you tip more, perhaps hoping that it will lead to a better drink? Or less or none at all, peeved at being asked to reward service that hasn’t happened yet? Do you feel pressured into tipping the suggested amounts, which can equate to more than half the price of the drink?
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Unsure how many places in The Villages may do this. But I absolutely recall this at Panera in Lake Sumter a couple years ago. They seemed to have a new method, if paying by credit card - the order-taker would swing the screen around towards you to press OK after pressing the TIP amount. Of course you COULD press 0, and OK. But in the 3 cases we ordered she would hover right over the screen to watch your entry. Intimidating. We stopped going to Panera about 2 years ago for other reasons, but this was a reason too.

Now we are good tippers - unless the service was NOT good, always tip 20% or more. But when (kinda) pressed to tip - at a quick service place, uh, that's a bit over the top. The first time this happened at Panera and she 'hovered' I think I pressed 15%, the next couple times, 0.

It's one thing to have a tip jar at Quick service places, but...

Not sure if Panera or others still do this in TV....


Customers hate tipping before they're served – and asking makes them less likely to return (https://www.yahoo.com/news/customers-hate-tipping-theyre-served-135345813.html)
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With us doing so many curbside, this has become an issue. I now hit zero and when I get my order I tip cash I started this over a year ago because I tipped 18% on a to go order and the order was a hot mess…so now I tip according to my service, the correct order, and the time it took to get it. No I do not tip at fast food, except the subway on 441 because the young ladies there are fast and super nice

[dewilson58]

Tip jars are getting out of hand.

I have one on the side of my golf cart. :coolsmiley:

[Eg_cruz]

Question: Let's say it's a dinner out. Do you base your tip on the pre-tax total or after tax? Basing a tip of the total including tax can make a big difference, either for you or the server.

Rant: Also, did you ever think about how illogical the tipping scheme is? It's based on the cost of the meal. Not on how much effort went into serving it. Suppose I get the filet mignon and tip 20% on a $40 dinner. The guy in the booth behind me gets meatloaf and tips 20% on a $15 meal. My waiter gets $8 tip. The meatloaf server gets $3.00. Same amount of service. Sure, I understand tips are usually pooled and shared, but not always. What's more, the hardest working staffers, the cooks, may not get any of the tip money.

Rant 2: Where will this stop? Tip jars are showing up everywhere. My local Winn-Dixie had tip jars at the check-outs. They weren't there when the minimum wage was lower. What's next: tip the doctor for giving you a correct diagnosis?
I tip on amount before tax and the suggested tip is based on before tax.
I agree on the dollar amount too. I have always felt that way especially on drinks. You order a house highball for $4.00 and I order a nice glass of wine for $10 should I really have to tip more when your drink took more effort to make?
The dollar about is such a good point. I’m drinking water and your drinking beer we both have 5 glasses mine cost zero and yours cost $20, so your bill is much higher then mine even though we both had the server come to the table same amount of times.

[Cliff Fr]

I was told a long time ago that tipping, when it first started, was done before the meal. (T)o, (I)nsure, (P)romptness

[trxi6565]

I have been a waitress for over 40 years… I made an art out of serving people and was always (almost) tipped well. This nonsense of tipping people who pour you a coffee or take your order is just that…pure nonsense

[Travelhunter123]

I have been a waitress for over 40 years… I made an art out of serving people and was always (almost) tipped well. This nonsense of tipping people who pour you a coffee or take your order is just that…pure nonsense
I have a question for you, if the total bill includes an $80 bottle of wine, should I include a 20% tip on the wine

[rpalumberi]

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Read this article on Yahoo just now.

Customers hate tipping before they're served – and asking makes them less likely to return

Imagine you’re in line at a coffee shop. You order your usual cappuccino and swipe your credit card to pay. Then the cashier swivels a little screen that prompts you for a tip – before the espresso shot is pulled or a drop of milk steamed.

Do you tip more, perhaps hoping that it will lead to a better drink? Or less or none at all, peeved at being asked to reward service that hasn’t happened yet? Do you feel pressured into tipping the suggested amounts, which can equate to more than half the price of the drink?
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Unsure how many places in The Villages may do this. But I absolutely recall this at Panera in Lake Sumter a couple years ago. They seemed to have a new method, if paying by credit card - the order-taker would swing the screen around towards you to press OK after pressing the TIP amount. Of course you COULD press 0, and OK. But in the 3 cases we ordered she would hover right over the screen to watch your entry. Intimidating. We stopped going to Panera about 2 years ago for other reasons, but this was a reason too.

Now we are good tippers - unless the service was NOT good, always tip 20% or more. But when (kinda) pressed to tip - at a quick service place, uh, that's a bit over the top. The first time this happened at Panera and she 'hovered' I think I pressed 15%, the next couple times, 0.

It's one thing to have a tip jar at Quick service places, but...

Not sure if Panera or others still do this in TV....


Customers hate tipping before they're served – and asking makes them less likely to return (https://www.yahoo.com/news/customers-hate-tipping-theyre-served-135345813.html)
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although tips stands for "to insure prompt service", I never tip unless we're being served while seated at a table and do so after our meal based on the service provided - there have been exceptions but that's the general rule I follow - I don't like those systems that ask otherwise and we may not return there or just do what we think is best under the circumstances following our "general rule"

[DonnaNi4os]

Tipping should be determined by the quality of the server, I agree. But in this pandemic world where finding servers is difficult, the lines have blurred. Having had daughters that waited tables, I tend to understand what they go through and tip well, at least 20%. Just an FYI, when I use my Starbucks card or app, the option to tip is available for you long after being served.

[irishwonone]

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Read this article on Yahoo just now.

Customers hate tipping before they're served – and asking makes them less likely to return

Imagine you’re in line at a coffee shop. You order your usual cappuccino and swipe your credit card to pay. Then the cashier swivels a little screen that prompts you for a tip – before the espresso shot is pulled or a drop of milk steamed.

Do you tip more, perhaps hoping that it will lead to a better drink? Or less or none at all, peeved at being asked to reward service that hasn’t happened yet? Do you feel pressured into tipping the suggested amounts, which can equate to more than half the price of the drink?
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Unsure how many places in The Villages may do this. But I absolutely recall this at Panera in Lake Sumter a couple years ago. They seemed to have a new method, if paying by credit card - the order-taker would swing the screen around towards you to press OK after pressing the TIP amount. Of course you COULD press 0, and OK. But in the 3 cases we ordered she would hover right over the screen to watch your entry. Intimidating. We stopped going to Panera about 2 years ago for other reasons, but this was a reason too.

Now we are good tippers - unless the service was NOT good, always tip 20% or more. But when (kinda) pressed to tip - at a quick service place, uh, that's a bit over the top. The first time this happened at Panera and she 'hovered' I think I pressed 15%, the next couple times, 0.

It's one thing to have a tip jar at Quick service places, but...

Not sure if Panera or others still do this in TV....


Customers hate tipping before they're served – and asking makes them less likely to return (https://www.yahoo.com/news/customers-hate-tipping-theyre-served-135345813.html)
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I traveled and visited Panera often. I would order at the counter and they would bring to table. When finished I was expected to take the dishes to the dirty dish section. Some companies definition of service are limited and I never left large tips even on business expense account. Better suggestion is to put the tip in prices as other countries do.

[ThirdOfFive]

I neverneverNEVER tip before service is completed. Seems more like a bribe than a reward for excellence. In those places where you pay upfront, or anywhere where I'm paying with a credit card, I merely draw a line through the tip box and tell the service person that the tip is on the table. In cash.

I also tip generously, especially if I plan on returning to that restaurant. Insurance. Good tippers are recognized in a very short time and it assures service above and beyond for subsequent visits. My granddaughter says the size of my tip is in direct proportion to the bust size of the waitress, but what do kids know?

[nn0wheremann]

When we sit at a table and they bring us our order that gets a tip.

Tipping when ordering at a counter and they hand it to us does not get a tip.
Agreed!!! And tipping for carry out? Fuggetaboutit!

It would be great if restaurants would pay a reasonable wage, adjust prices to reflect that, and eliminate tipping entirely. A tip (acronym for To Insure Promptness) is a bribe, and demeaning to both the customer and the server.

[spd2918]

During Covid, I've been tipping like Ray Liotta in the night club scene in Goodfellas
Goodfellas Night Club Scene - Copacabana - Henry Hill - YouTube (https://youtu.be/4aQ4Vj1OtjQ)

This scene should be posted in the thread about reservations. Maybe Mr. Party of 9 could get his table.

[HogPilot]

When we sit at a table and they bring us our order that gets a tip.

Tipping when ordering at a counter and they hand it to us does not get a tip.

I agree. Counter employees get paid more than servers. Different pay scale.

What is the tip percentage at a buffet? Somewhere between a counter employee (0%) and a server (20%+)?

[New Englander]

Tipping has gotten out of hand. Again where will it end? I travel to the Chinese or pizza to pick up the food myself. Why do I have to tip the person that hands me the food? Delivery absolutely.

:agree:

[Wyseguy]

Question: Let's say it's a dinner out. Do you base your tip on the pre-tax total or after tax? Basing a tip of the total including tax can make a big difference, either for you or the server.

Rant: Also, did you ever think about how illogical the tipping scheme is? It's based on the cost of the meal. Not on how much effort went into serving it. Suppose I get the filet mignon and tip 20% on a $40 dinner. The guy in the booth behind me gets meatloaf and tips 20% on a $15 meal. My waiter gets $8 tip. The meatloaf server gets $3.00. Same amount of service. Sure, I understand tips are usually pooled and shared, but not always. What's more, the hardest working staffers, the cooks, may not get any of the tip money.

Rant 2: Where will this stop? Tip jars are showing up everywhere. My local Winn-Dixie had tip jars at the check-outs. They weren't there when the minimum wage was lower. What's next: tip the doctor for giving you a correct diagnosis?

That has already happened to me. Went to a doctor, first visit. co pay was 80.00. The doctor himself told me that he only gets (insert figure) from insurance for the visit, and that if I was happy with the service he would welcome receiving over the copay. A medical doctor.
When did tipping for takeout begin? I never recall tipping for a slice of pizza, or chinese take out. Now they give you a screen showing 18%, 20%, 25%. What is the proper tip for takeout?

[larcha]

For a take-out or self-service order I usually enter $1. 15% or 20% is for sit-down service.

[FredJacobs]

Ate at TooJays last night. They are converting their computer system to tablets that the server uses when you pay by credit card. She entered the data and then turned to the tip page. I did not see a place to enter a figure - only a range of pre-selected percentages. I was surprised that the range of percentages started at 18%. Didn't matter to me, but I would guess that someone less fortunate would be upset.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

To Insure Prompt Service (TIPS) and that's exactly what I tip fort

That's an urban legend. English-language acronyms being used as words were not popular prior to WWII, and the word "tips" as in "gratuity" was used at least as early as the 17th century. In addition, during the time it originated, they would have called it TEPS - to Ensure prompt service, not to Insure prompt service. No one is paying a premium for service insurance.

Also, it you were ensuring prompt service, wouldn't you give it to the server before the service, and not after it?

On topic: I never plan on tipping for takeout or curbside service. Sometimes I do tip for curbside, and once in awhile I toss the silver in the tip bucket when I do takeout. My reasons can be arbitrary: maybe I have the tray in one hand and the coins in the other, and just can't open my purse to put the coins away, so I toss them in the tip jar. Maybe the change was just some pennies, and I really don't want them. So they go in the tip jar. Maybe the guy who put my taco together did such a spanking awesome job of it AND gave me constant eye contact and a bright smile, and I was inspired to toss a buck in the tip jar.

Generally though, the only people who I feel "obligated" to tip are table-service servers, and delivery drivers.

[retiredguy123]

I'm curious. Some people will pay for a restaurant meal with a credit card, but will only use cash for the tip. Are you trying to assist the server and the restaurant in cheating on their taxes, are you trying to hide the tip amount from the server's employer, or is there another reason? Regardless, it seems deceptive.

I always pay cash in a restaurant that will not allow the credit card transaction to be completed in my presence. I never allow my credit card to be taken into another room. But, if I pay with a credit card, I add the tip to the card. It seems like the upfront way to do it.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Yes, cash tips are so the draconian IRS gets what's theirs and not one cent more. They waste so much of the money they get from us on ridiculous programs and policies. I only need the Federal government to provide the basics, primarily military defense, civil order (police), infrastructure (roads, highways, etc.) and fire protection. I do not need them to supply all of the globe with free cell phones and meals when they illegally cross our border. I don't need them to give my income to other countries under the guise of keeping them reliant upon us.

The IRS already taxes the income, then the use of it (Sales tax) and now they want to take a percentage of some hard working server's pin money? Pfffth.

As for tipping, percentage goes up to 25-30% for me when a server does one of the rare tasks that few perform any longer, like actually boxing my leftovers instead of just brining me an empty box to do it myself.

[Stu from NYC]

The IRS already taxes the income, then the use of it (Sales tax) and now they want to take a percentage of some hard working server's pin money? Pfffth.

As for tipping, percentage goes up to 25-30% for me when a server does one of the rare tasks that few perform any longer, like actually boxing my leftovers instead of just brining me an empty box to do it myself.

We pay tax on our income why should servers not have to do the same?

[retiredguy123]

We pay tax on our income why should servers not have to do the same?
I agree. But, it's not just the servers who can hide the cash tip income. It reduces the restaurant's gross credit card income, which the banks report to the IRS. The servers are required to pay income taxes, based on 8 percent of the restaurant's overall gross proceeds, and prorated to each server. The servers get a W-2 for that amount.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

I'm curious. Some people will pay for a restaurant meal with a credit card, but will only use cash for the tip. Are you trying to assist the server and the restaurant in cheating on their taxes, are you trying to hide the tip amount from the server's employer, or is there another reason? Regardless, it seems deceptive.

I always pay cash in a restaurant that will not allow the credit card transaction to be completed in my presence. I never allow my credit card to be taken into another room. But, if I pay with a credit card, I add the tip to the card. It seems like the upfront way to do it.then you must be paying cash for most of your meals , I am not worried where they take my card and I would be losing out on a lot of cash back revenue if I paid in cash . The reason I like to tip in cash is that I over tip and if staff is pooling there tips it gives a person that I’m happy with a few more dollars , what they do with the extra money is there business not mine, and getting back to credit card worry , luckily I’ve never had credit card abused and so what if it is , your not paying for the theft., I can also tell you that being a good tipper can help you get a drink quicker at a crowded bar and a quicker table , also I think the people complaining about the tip jars seem to want the business to ease there guilt or annoyance about the tip jars at the expense of there employees . I have perfect solution for those people JUST SAY No !!!

[DAVES]

Question: Let's say it's a dinner out. Do you base your tip on the pre-tax total or after tax? Basing a tip of the total including tax can make a big difference, either for you or the server.

Rant: Also, did you ever think about how illogical the tipping scheme is? It's based on the cost of the meal. Not on how much effort went into serving it. Suppose I get the filet mignon and tip 20% on a $40 dinner. The guy in the booth behind me gets meatloaf and tips 20% on a $15 meal. My waiter gets $8 tip. The meatloaf server gets $3.00. Same amount of service. Sure, I understand tips are usually pooled and shared, but not always. What's more, the hardest working staffers, the cooks, may not get any of the tip money.

Rant 2: Where will this stop? Tip jars are showing up everywhere. My local Winn-Dixie had tip jars at the check-outs. They weren't there when the minimum wage was lower. What's next: tip the doctor for giving you a correct diagnosis?

Often the tips are pooled and divided. In some places the owner takes a cut of the total.
Waiters often prefer not to take a large group. Often, people in a large group look at all the money going to the tip and tip less.

[DAVES]

I agree. But, it's not just the servers who can hide the cash tip income. It reduces the restaurant's gross credit card income, which the banks report to the IRS. The servers are required to pay income taxes, based on 8 percent of the restaurant's overall gross proceeds, and prorated to each server. The servers get a W-2 for that amount.

The days of a CASH business have mostly ended. Those credit cards, most of them, that 2% or so back is paid for in credit card fees to the business. The business of course adds it into the price charged. It is interesting that a business almost must take credit cards and their contract with the credit card companies says they cannot offer a CASH discount.

[JMintzer]

The days of a CASH business have mostly ended. Those credit cards, most of them, that 2% or so back is paid for in credit card fees to the business. The business of course adds it into the price charged. It is interesting that a business almost must take credit cards and their contract with the credit card companies says they cannot offer a CASH discount.

That is why, whenever possible, I try to leave a CASH tip... I want the server to get the tip. If they pool it later in the evening, that's not my concern. Not my circus, not my monkeys...

[trxi6565]

I have a question for you, if the total bill includes an $80 bottle of wine, should I include a 20% tip on the wine

I always Tip on the entire bill...Wine and all...assuming the service was good

[DaleDivine]

Tipping has gotten out of hand. Again where will it end? I travel to the Chinese or pizza to pick up the food myself. Why do I have to tip the person that hands me the food? Delivery absolutely.

I agree but nowadays most places add in tips for drivers.

:ohdear::ohdear::bigbow:

[ThirdOfFive]

I'm curious. Some people will pay for a restaurant meal with a credit card, but will only use cash for the tip. Are you trying to assist the server and the restaurant in cheating on their taxes, are you trying to hide the tip amount from the server's employer, or is there another reason? Regardless, it seems deceptive.

I always pay cash in a restaurant that will not allow the credit card transaction to be completed in my presence. I never allow my credit card to be taken into another room. But, if I pay with a credit card, I add the tip to the card. It seems like the upfront way to do it.
I always leave cash for a tip when I can. To my mind is is a more personal approach, showing the server how much I appreciated his/her service. Much better than the credit card tip.

I understand that in a lot of restaurants the tips go into a common fund which is then doled out, percentage-wise, to all the workers. I've never been one to subscribe to the ethic of "to each according to his need". I've been in restaurants where the food has been average at best but the service, exceptional. When I leave cash, especially a tip larger than the usual percentage, I ALWAYS inform the wait person (and sometimes the manager) of my opinion both of the food and the service.

What they choose to do with the tip I left after I leave is up to them. But they'll at least know why I left it.

[retiredguy123]

Often the tips are pooled and divided. In some places the owner takes a cut of the total.
Waiters often prefer not to take a large group. Often, people in a large group look at all the money going to the tip and tip less.
Note that tip income is the property of the server, not the restaurant owner. The restaurant can require that tips be pooled and shared among other employees who normally receive tips. But, it is illegal for the restaurant owner to take a cut of the tip income. It is also illegal for other non-tipped employees, like cooks and dish washers, to receive a cut of the tip income.

[Stu from NYC]

Note that tip income is the property of the server, not the restaurant owner. The restaurant can require that tips be pooled and shared among other employees who normally receive tips. But, it is illegal for the restaurant owner to take a cut of the tip income. It is also illegal for other non-tipped employees, like cooks and dish washers, to receive a cut of the tip income.

Is that Florida or nationally making it illegal for pooling to be offered to cooks and dishwashers?.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Note that tip income is the property of the server, not the restaurant owner. The restaurant can require that tips be pooled and shared among other employees who normally receive tips. But, it is illegal for the restaurant owner to take a cut of the tip income. It is also illegal for other non-tipped employees, like cooks and dish washers, to receive a cut of the tip income.if a restaurant takes a tip credit for waitstaff they don’t have to share there tips , if the restaurant does not take a tip credit they may be required to share with kitchen help

[retiredguy123]

Is that Florida or nationally making it illegal for pooling to be offered to cooks and dishwashers?.
State and federal law, according to this link.

Florida Laws for Tipped Employees | Nolo (https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/florida-laws-tipped-employees.html)

[retiredguy123]

if a restaurant takes a tip credit for waitstaff they don’t have to share there tips , if the restaurant does not take a tip credit they may be required to share with kitchen help
Do you have a source for that information? If the tip income is the property of the server, I don't understand how the employer can give it to someone else, who never receives tips.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Goggle is your friend but I already knew this

[retiredguy123]

if a restaurant takes a tip credit for waitstaff they don’t have to share there tips , if the restaurant does not take a tip credit they may be required to share with kitchen help
Correct. But, if the employer does not take the credit, then they must pay the minimum wage to the server directly. So, apparently, the server would receive the minimum wage plus their share of the pooled tip income that could include cooks and dish washers, but not the owner.

[Stu from NYC]

Whatever your always right anyway

A discussion works better when folks are polite to each other.