Boosted with Pfizer yesterday here in the Villages.

[Taltarzac725]

After my two Moderna shots in the parking lot of a Catholic church off of Powell Road last Spring it was nice to get a Pfizer booster shot at CVS here in the Villages yesterday.

Arm is still sore but doing well.

Much more interesting people-watching at CVS.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Good for you , one of the only benefits of being over 80 is that I had access to all 3 early

[Taltarzac725]

Good for you , one of the only benefits of being over 80 is that I had access to all 3 early

I am very glad to get it done.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

I totally understand

[Boomer]

Mr. Boomer and I got the Moderna booster, back home, two weeks ago. . .

Exactly 24 hours later, we both were muscle-sore all over and walking like Tim Conway in those “Oldest Man” skits. We fell asleep before 10 o’clock that night.

And then!

When we woke up the next morning, we felt great, lots of energy, muscle soreness all gone — and now — we are both really good lookin’ and much smarter, too.

Boosted Boomer :)

[Kenswing]

Mr. Boomer and I got the Moderna booster, back home, two weeks ago. . .

Exactly 24 hours later, we both were muscle-sore all over and walking like Tim Conway in those “Oldest Man” skits. We fell asleep before 10 o’clock that night.

And then!

When we woke up the next morning, we felt great, lots of energy, muscle soreness all gone — and now — we are both really good lookin’ and much smarter, too.

Boosted Boomer :)I had better get two boosters then.. :1rotfl:

[camaguey48]

Oi Vei!!

[Taltarzac725]

Mr. Boomer and I got the Moderna booster, back home, two weeks ago. . .

Exactly 24 hours later, we both were muscle-sore all over and walking like Tim Conway in those “Oldest Man” skits. We fell asleep before 10 o’clock that night.

And then!

When we woke up the next morning, we felt great, lots of energy, muscle soreness all gone — and now — we are both really good lookin’ and much smarter, too.

Boosted Boomer :)

I hope that happens. I was going to get a flu shot too but need to go somewhere else for my medical insurance to cover it.

[JMintzer]

After my two Moderna shots in the parking lot of a Catholic church off of Powell Road last Spring it was nice to get a Pfizer booster shot at CVS here in the Villages yesterday.

Arm is still sore but doing well.

Much more interesting people-watching at CVS.

Curious as to why you switched brands...

[fishon]

Meh

[fishon]

Good for you, I guess.

[Taltarzac725]

Curious as to why you switched brands...

That's the only shot they had available at that time. For the booster anyway.

[JMintzer]

That's the only shot they had available at that time. For the booster anyway.

Ahhh... Makes sense...

[Woodbear]

For those into data, a recently released UK study is showing reduced efficacy with booster.......

There is evidence of waning of protection against symptomatic disease with increasing time after dose 2, and by 10 weeks after the booster dose, with a 15 to 25% reduction in vaccine effectiveness after 10 weeks,"

Booster efficacy against symptomatic Omicron reduces within 10 weeks, World News | wionews.com (https://www.wionews.com/world/booster-efficacy-against-symptomatic-omicron-reduces-within-10-weeks-439513)

[Taltarzac725]

Vaccine Efficacy: Data Shows How Shots Protect Against Omicron COVID Variant – NBC Chicago (https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/vaccine-efficacy-data-shows-how-shots-protect-against-omicron-covid-variant/2716776/)

This sounds like it is a much more factual take on the matter.

For those into data, a recently released UK study is showing reduced efficacy with booster.......

There is evidence of waning of protection against symptomatic disease with increasing time after dose 2, and by 10 weeks after the booster dose, with a 15 to 25% reduction in vaccine effectiveness after 10 weeks,"

Booster efficacy against symptomatic Omicron reduces within 10 weeks, World News | wionews.com (https://www.wionews.com/world/booster-efficacy-against-symptomatic-omicron-reduces-within-10-weeks-439513)

[jswirs]

I am very glad to get it done.

Yes, well, I guess we should get ready for boosters # 2, 3, .....???

[donassaid]

Why? For a virus that is survived by 99%? In case you haven't noticed, everyone coming down with Covid (cruise ships, NFL, NBA, NHL, erc) have one thing in common - they were all vaccinated and wear masks. South Africa, where only 27% of the people have been vaccinated, and where tge Omicron variant originated, only had 2 deaths and both of them had other medical issues. And now, they are past the health danger as even Biden just lifted the travel ban on South Africa. Wake up people. This is not about your health but about government control.

[Altavia]

Omicron is a different virus. It does seem people are over reacting given the vaccinated-boosted have no worse than bad cold symptoms.

Sadly, ignorance has a concequence. Mostly the unvaccinated are ending up hospitalized and dead.

[Swoop]

Omicron is a different virus. It does seem people are over reacting given the vaccinated-boosted have no worse than bad cold symptoms.

Sadly, ignorance has a concequence. Mostly the unvaccinated are ending up hospitalized and dead.

The latest numbers show that 30% of those hospitalized with Covid are fully vaccinated.

[Two Bills]

The latest numbers show that 30% of those hospitalized with Covid are fully vaccinated.

......so 70% are not! :icon_wink:

[Roron123]

You know that Medicare covers vaccine 100% it won’t cost you a dime no matter what insurance you have 😇

[Cliff Fr]

Because of the media and both political parties, the whole vaccine issue is very confusing.

[nn0wheremann]

After my two Moderna shots in the parking lot of a Catholic church off of Powell Road last Spring it was nice to get a Pfizer booster shot at CVS here in the Villages yesterday.

Arm is still sore but doing well.

Much more interesting people-watching at CVS.
I guess I’m just a Moderna man. Got the M shot x 3. All at Publix. No issues.

[Dana1963]

Why? For a virus that is survived by 99%? In case you haven't noticed, everyone coming down with Covid (cruise ships, NFL, NBA, NHL, erc) have one thing in common - they were all vaccinated and wear masks. South Africa, where only 27% of the people have been vaccinated, and where tge Omicron variant originated, only had 2 deaths and both of them had other medical issues. And now, they are past the health danger as even Biden just lifted the travel ban on South Africa. Wake up people. This is not about your health but about government control.
Same with Stop signs, Traffic lights and Tolls. Not to mention FAA screening, car insurance, building permits.
I’m not so worried about the tracking device implanted with the vaccine.

[davem4616]

I too opted to switch over to the Pfizer booster, after having two Moderna shots previously

wife had Pfizer both times before and had no issues....I was down for about 36 hours after my second Moderna shot

[Flyers999]

The latest numbers show that 30% of those hospitalized with Covid are fully vaccinated.

Most of the non vaccinated are young and healthy, a group that is low risk anyway.

[Dana1963]

Because of the media and both political parties, the whole vaccine issue is very confusing.
I had deployments to SE Asia, South America and Mediterranean/Africa each required different vaccine cocktails. It was not political but to protect us from possible serious medical issues.
Like everyone I’ve heard the mumbo jumbo from both sides, if it weren’t for the previous administration fast tracking research our medical system probably been worse outcomes and we would maybe never got out of 2020 alive. I’ll trust science. For me lifesaving surgery in 2020 was delayed from April til August because surgery had been restricted due to the hospital COVID PATIENTS.
I thank my Doctors hospital staff and Science for a wonderful 2021, 2 vaccine doses plus Booster so far so good.

[jimjamuser]

Mr. Boomer and I got the Moderna booster, back home, two weeks ago. . .

Exactly 24 hours later, we both were muscle-sore all over and walking like Tim Conway in those “Oldest Man” skits. We fell asleep before 10 o’clock that night.

And then!

When we woke up the next morning, we felt great, lots of energy, muscle soreness all gone — and now — we are both really good lookin’ and much smarter, too.

Boosted Boomer :)
Yes, I too got a Moderna booster. Like you guys, my monthly IQ test scores rose significantly (and my wife said that I needed that and now she will talk to me). The booster may have saved my marriage! My motto now is "a boost in time, saves 9" .........IQ points that is.

[jimjamuser]

Oi Vei!!
And that relates to boosters.........tangentially?........In code?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Most of the non vaccinated are young and healthy, a group that is low risk anyway.

And yet 70% of all patients hospitalized with COVID are unvaccinated.

[Altavia]

The latest numbers show that 30% of those hospitalized with Covid are fully vaccinated.

You didn't state a source but that is high for COVID overall.

COVID-19 breakthrough hospitalizations - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker (https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/characteristics-of-vaccinated-patients-hospitalized-with-covid-19-breakthrough-infections/)

I was referring to Omicron resulting in very few hospitalizations of the fully boosted so far.

[xNYer]

The latest numbers show that 30% of those hospitalized with Covid are fully vaccinated.

Good reason to get vaccinated then, since 71% over 12 have been fully vaccinated and yet they only account for 30% of hospitalizations if your info is correct.. While the 29% unvaccinated account for 70% of the hospitalizations.

And that doesn’t reflect the far smaller % who have also had the booster.

[jimjamuser]

Why? For a virus that is survived by 99%? In case you haven't noticed, everyone coming down with Covid (cruise ships, NFL, NBA, NHL, erc) have one thing in common - they were all vaccinated and wear masks. South Africa, where only 27% of the people have been vaccinated, and where tge Omicron variant originated, only had 2 deaths and both of them had other medical issues. And now, they are past the health danger as even Biden just lifted the travel ban on South Africa. Wake up people. This is not about your health but about government control.
South Africa is not comparable to the US on a one-to-one basis. Many generations of S. Africans have grown up in poverty and walked around shoeless and playing in the dirt for much of their childhood. This caused them to be in contact with more bacteria and viruses for longer periods of time and even generations compared with US people and Europeans. Therefore, they have superior built-up immunity.
Basically, we NEED the vaccines more than they do.
Incidentally, Dr. Olsterholm's recent advice is to "hunker-down" and keep a low profile socially for the next 2 months - because Omicron will disrupt ALL aspects of society (health workers in short supply, restaurants may close, travel problems, and etc, etc) AND Omicron specific boosters will be available early in 2022 AND also Omicron treatments.
So, happy New Year folks, but stay home, isolate, and watch the ball drop on TV. And I doubt that people here in La, La land and elsewhere will take his advice - they NEVER do!

[jimjamuser]

Most of the non vaccinated are young and healthy, a group that is low risk anyway.
Omicron has changed the risk to younger children vs Delta. Many pediatric hospitals are filled like never before with children with CV. Whole new ball game for them!

[Speedie]

I should be immune to anything. Flu shot, covid boosters, shingle shots, tetanus shot, whooping cough shot, prolia bone shot.

Wonder why I feel scared to go outside?

[JMintzer]

Omicron has changed the ris read the story, k to younger children vs Delta. Many pediatric hospitals are filled like never before with children with CV. Whole new ball game for them!

Incorrect. If you read the recent story (and not just the headlines), you'd know that of the children hospitalized (for normal childhood things, NOT for Covid), many of them ALSO test positive for Covid, since they test everyone admitted, even if they are not admitted for Covid symptoms...

"However, he said, his hospital has seen a lot of kids test positive for Covid without necessarily showing symptoms or getting sick.

"We test anybody who’s admitted to the hospital for whatever reason to see whether or not they have Covid, and we’re definitely seeing an increase in cases. However, we’re really not seeing an increase in children who are hospitalized for Covid or in the intensive care unit for Covid," Offit said."

Child Covid hospitalizations are up, especially in 5 states (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/child-covid-hospitalizations-are-5-states-are-rise-rcna10089)

[Woodbear]

Vaccine Efficacy: Data Shows How Shots Protect Against Omicron COVID Variant – NBC Chicago (https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/vaccine-efficacy-data-shows-how-shots-protect-against-omicron-covid-variant/2716776/)

This sounds like it is a much more factual take on the matter.


The stated sources in the article is Pfizer, Moderna, BioNTech and J&J. I see no external source for data review named in the article. The UK study covers 215,000 individuals. No numbers are offered in the Chicago article. I'll take a hard pass on calling this article factual about any booster efficacy change.

[Caymus]

I should be immune to anything. Flu shot, covid boosters, shingle shots, tetanus shot, whooping cough shot, prolia bone shot.

Wonder why I feel scared to go outside?

A few shots of Jack Daniel's may help.:)

[CoachKandSportsguy]

everyone just remember that published numbers are state and federal mandated highly summarized reporting. All of the details for severity, unique conditions, etc are in the EMRs for each individual, and is confidential. So conclusions from analysis with highly summarized numbers is prone to the error called Simpson's paradox,
Simpson's paradox - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson's_paradox)
is a phenomenon in probability and statistics in which a trend appears in several groups of data but disappears or reverses when the groups are combined.

Also please realize that anecdotal examples are generally not statistically significant, so if you are deducting a conclusion based on your neighbor's experience or story, you are cherry picking with your confirmation bias or anchoring bias. . . example, I had barely any noticeable reactions to all three pfizer shots, but that's my history of virus interactions, shots and genetics. your reaction probably will be unique to your history and genetics. if you did have an uncomfortable reaction, then you realize that there is a huge range of outcomes, just some are more prevalent than others. . . Also realize that if your Myers Briggs personality type has a strong J over P, and S over N, you will be biased towards a black and white, all or nothing, good or bad only interpretation of any data set. And if you believe the first article as truth, then you are using anchoring bias versus any valid research. . .

my point is keep an open mind, and realize the observer effect, Observer effect (physics - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_effect_(physics))
where observations (level of testing) can change the data and the interpretations, and that unless you are trained in statistical analysis, you are getting fed interpretations which may or may not be correctly interpreted.

and yes, coachk who looks and reports data to doctors and the states and the independent rating agencies for a medical system of several hospitals, she and I debate the data interpretations for conclusion validity all the time, she has an undergraduate in math, statistics and programming from the 80's and a masters in healthcare informatics. . . we debate interpretations all the time, me from headline data, her from detailed hospital patient records, and there is data in the public domain which isn't being covered but appears to have negative outcomes outside of the study goals, and therefore not studied, but concerning.

her point is that all the data is interesting, changing, incomplete due to summarization, and not black and white, not all or nothing, not all good or bad. Likewise, there is an element of financialization where the incentives affects the decisions / the data story as well as job security, wanting to please your boss's story s/he wants to tell, think govt jobs.

sportsguy and coachk

[Tblue]

Vaccine Efficacy: Data Shows How Shots Protect Against Omicron COVID Variant – NBC Chicago (https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/vaccine-efficacy-data-shows-how-shots-protect-against-omicron-covid-variant/2716776/)

This sounds like it is a much more factual take on the matter.

Does anyone recall the number of %65-%70 to achieve herd immunity? I recall prior to the vaccine the only way out was herd immunity. It would seem we are well over the %70 number with vaccines and those who have had COVID. Where we lied to about herd immunity or has the goal changed?

[Bill14564]

Does anyone recall the number of %65-%70 to achieve herd immunity? I recall prior to the vaccine the only way out was herd immunity. It would seem we are well over the %70 number with vaccines and those who have had COVID. Where we lied to about herd immunity or has the goal changed?

The 65% - 70% number was a guess based on the understanding of the virus at the time. Since then, more has been more learned about the virus and the virus has changed making the original guess moot.

According to information I can find, about 62% of those in the US have taken the vaccine. There have been something like 54M cases or about 16% of the population. Even if you simply added 62%+16%=78% the number is not "well over %70." But you can't simply add that way - many of the 16% are part of the 62% that are vaccinated, some number of the 16% had mild cases and did not acquire immunity, some number of the 16% were false-positives, and some number of the 16% died from their infection.

The 70% guess was probably low at the start and the virus has now changed to where the number needed is much higher. We are probably close to only 70% today which means we aren't close to where we need to be. With the anti-vaxers or vaccine-hesitant or those who choose to be misinformed, there is a long way to go.

[Velvet]

Does anyone recall the number of %65-%70 to achieve herd immunity? I recall prior to the vaccine the only way out was herd immunity. It would seem we are well over the %70 number with vaccines and those who have had COVID. Where we lied to about herd immunity or has the goal changed?

No, the virus changed. Different mutations need different solutions.

[coffeebean]

And yet 70% of all patients hospitalized with COVID are unvaccinated.

Anyone who is not contraindicated to be vaccinated needs their head examined if they don't get the shots. Just my opinion, of course.

[Two Bills]

Anyone who is not contraindicated to be vaccinated needs their head examined if they don't get the shots. Just my opinion, of course.

Never heard that word before. Another new word I have learned.
Would go well in a crossword puzzle.
At first I thought you had misspelled contradicted!

[Bay Kid]

It sure would be nice to know what is really going on since the start of this man made virus. So many opinions.

[Two Bills]

It sure would be nice to know what is really going on since the start of this man made virus. So many opinions.

""To die — to sleep. To sleep — perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub!""

[Taltarzac725]

It sure would be nice to know what is really going on since the start of this man made virus. So many opinions.

On the Origins of COVID-19: Report Provides Evidence that Lab Leak Theory Unlikely
| University of Utah Health (https://healthcare.utah.edu/publicaffairs/news/2021/08/coronavirus-origins.php)

Probably an accident of nature and not a man made virus.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

It sure would be nice to know what is really going on since the start of this man made virus. So many opinions.

Here's what's really going on:

The virus exists. It really did kill hundreds of thousands of people world-wide. It made millions of people worldwide very sick. It infected tens of millions of people worldwide, which made it easy for it to spread and make all those people sick and/or dead.

Then

Vaccines came out, which can help reduce the spread, reduce infection, reduce sickness in those who get it anyway, and reduce the chance of death from the virus.

BUT

A whole lot of people refused to get vaccinated.

SO

Some people were vaccinated, which caused the virus to try the next person down the line. Eventually the virus was able to mutate, because the more people UNvaccinated, the less likely the virus is to simply go away by itself. And so - it mutated.

THEN

People still refused to vaccinate, even with the Delta mutation that was spreading even worse. So the virus doubled down and mutated again.

NOW

The virus is mutated such that it isn't quite the same as the one the vaccines were invented to combat - however - the vaccines are absolutely reducing the number of deaths from covid in people who are vaccinated. It's also evident that of the people who need hospitalization OR who have died from COVID, most of them are unvaccinated.

IN ADDITION:

Masks reduce the risk of infection, and reduce the risk of spread. Even the normal surgical masks. None of them -prevent- infection. But they do reduce the risk.

That is what's really going on.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

[tophcfa]

Here's what's really going on:

The virus exists. It really did kill hundreds of thousands of people world-wide. It made millions of people worldwide very sick. It infected tens of millions of people worldwide, which made it easy for it to spread and make all those people sick and/or dead.

Then

Vaccines came out, which can help reduce the spread, reduce infection, reduce sickness in those who get it anyway, and reduce the chance of death from the virus.

BUT

A whole lot of people refused to get vaccinated.

SO

Some people were vaccinated, which caused the virus to try the next person down the line. Eventually the virus was able to mutate, because the more people UNvaccinated, the less likely the virus is to simply go away by itself. And so - it mutated.

THEN

People still refused to vaccinate, even with the Delta mutation that was spreading even worse. So the virus doubled down and mutated again.

NOW

The virus is mutated such that it isn't quite the same as the one the vaccines were invented to combat - however - the vaccines are absolutely reducing the number of deaths from covid in people who are vaccinated. It's also evident that of the people who need hospitalization OR who have died from COVID, most of them are unvaccinated.

IN ADDITION:

Masks reduce the risk of infection, and reduce the risk of spread. Even the normal surgical masks. None of them -prevent- infection. But they do reduce the risk.

That is what's really going on.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

Totally agree. Unfortunately, even if we had 100% vaccination and mask wearing in the USA, there are many third world countries that can’t afford vaccines, or use substandard vaccines from Russia and/or China, and have extremely low vaccination rates. The virus will continue to mutate there and wind up here. I’m not arguing against taking every available precaution, just pointing out that it’s a global pandemic and won’t be controlled long term with only local actions. Very frustrating.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Totally agree. Unfortunately, even if we had 100% vaccination and mask wearing in the USA, there are many third world countries that can’t afford vaccines, or use substandard vaccines from Russia and/or China, and have extremely low vaccination rates. The virus will continue to mutate there and wind up here. I’m not arguing against taking every available precaution, just pointing out that it’s a global pandemic and won’t be controlled long term with only local actions. Very frustrating.


TRUE and very well stated