Sobriety Checkpoints on Morse Road

[ohiosbestus]

We had guests to arrive at our Party last night who said they were setting up Checkpoints for looking for intoxicated drivers. Were they checking golf carts and cars both? Was anyone stopped on Morse Road just north of 466 ?

[Two Bills]

I never knew guests were allowed to set up checkpoints.
I know resident aren't allowed to do it!:icon_wink:

[Dana1963]

We had guests to arrive at our Party last night who said they were setting up Checkpoints for looking for intoxicated drivers. Were they checking golf carts and cars both? Was anyone stopped on Morse Road just north of 466 ?
It should happen more often!

[Get real]

I never knew guests were allowed to set up checkpoints.
I know resident aren't allowed to do it!:icon_wink:

perfect answer:a040:

[ThirdOfFive]

We had guests to arrive at our Party last night who said they were setting up Checkpoints for looking for intoxicated drivers. Were they checking golf carts and cars both? Was anyone stopped on Morse Road just north of 466 ?
Never enough of those.

It'd be good to check golf cart drivers as well. Judging from the number of beer cans and liquor bottles (one serving and larger, even a couple of 750 ml vodka bottles) I've seen on my walks, there are probably a good number of impaired drivers herding their carts down the paths around here.

[Stu from NYC]

I never knew guests were allowed to set up checkpoints.
I know resident aren't allowed to do it!:icon_wink:

Charge 10 bucks for each car and golf cart and can raise a down payment in no time.

[ohiosbestus]

Sorry for the blunder in my post. They were referring to Sheriff Department was setting up Checkpoints. We drove by Morse Road yesterday to take pictures of Pelicans and we saw the road signs were still there unless they were checking last night also. In my opinion the department would be better serving the residents by patroling the streets to prevent people from setting off fireworks in heavy residentual areas....

[Gpsma]

Patrol for fireworks...lol

[Bjeanj]

In my opinion the department would be better serving the residents by patroling the streets to prevent people from setting off fireworks in heavy residentual areas....

Both DWIs and fireworks in residential areas are hazardous. How does the department choose, or maybe they were doing both. I don’t know, but I do see the stories about DWIs quite often and worry more that I’ll get taken out by a drunk, rather than my house burning.

[retiredguy123]

As I understand it, routine DUI checkpoints are legal in Florida, but, you have no obligation to answer any questions. I don't think the police can require you to take any tests unless they have probable cause that you have been drinking. Some attorneys advise that you don't even need to roll down your window, but show the police a statement of your legal right to not participate in the checkpoint. Not that I would do that.

[Topspinmo]

It should happen more often!


Like every night somewhere in villages. Keep drunk’s on there toes then.

[Topspinmo]

Never enough of those.

It'd be good to check golf cart drivers as well. Judging from the number of beer cans and liquor bottles (one serving and larger, even a couple of 750 ml vodka bottles) I've seen on my walks, there are probably a good number of impaired drivers herding their carts down the paths around here.


Well, have do that during day time to catch golfers. :duck:

[Topspinmo]

Sorry for the blunder in my post. They were referring to Sheriff Department was setting up Checkpoints. We drove by Morse Road yesterday to take pictures of Pelicans and we saw the road signs were still there unless they were checking last night also. In my opinion the department would be better serving the residents by patroling the streets to prevent people from setting off fireworks in heavy residentual areas....

I sure 99.9% comprehended what you said.

[Bonanza]

Sorry for the blunder in my post. They were referring to Sheriff Department was setting up Checkpoints. We drove by Morse Road yesterday to take pictures of Pelicans and we saw the road signs were still there unless they were checking last night also. In my opinion the department would be better serving the residents by patroling the streets to prevent people from setting off fireworks in heavy residentual areas....

No apology is necessary. You gave us all a good laugh.

Keep up the good work!!!
:thumbup:

[Chi-Town]

Both DWIs and fireworks in residential areas are hazardous. How does the department choose, or maybe they were doing both. I don’t know, but I do see the stories about DWIs quite often and worry more that I’ll get taken out by a drunk, rather than my house burning.

Fireworks would not be part of the reason. Gov. Ron DeSantis signed Senate Bill 140 into law making it legal for Floridians to set off real fireworks on three holidays: Fourth of July, New Year’s Eve and New Year’s Day.

[Mortal1]

Fireworks would not be part of the reason. Gov. Ron DeSantis signed Senate Bill 140 into law making it legal for Floridians to set off real fireworks on three holidays: Fourth of July, New Year’s Eve and New Year’s Day.

well if you read any of the articles is says use is for specific reasons and you have to sign a disclosure stating you will be using them for example: agriculture and scaring birds are a few.

So actually you sign that disclosure and you are now liable for using them per the law. If some local pd's decide to enforce the law most will get up to a multi thousand fine and up to a year in jail.

So your statement doesn't say which exceptions are allowed so you are now complicit if someone acts on your statement which implys all Floridians. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

[Chi-Town]

well if you read any of the articles is says use is for specific reasons and you have to sign a disclosure stating you will be using them for example: agriculture and scaring birds are a few.

So actually you sign that disclosure and you are now liable for using them per the law. If some local pd's decide to enforce the law most will get up to a multi thousand fine and up to a year in jail.

So your statement doesn't say which exceptions are allowed so you are now complicit if someone acts on your statement which implys all Floridians. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

You obviously weren't up New Year’s Eve. Anyhow, please remind me close to July 4th to check this out.

[EdFNJ]

well if you read any of the articles is says use is for specific reasons and you have to sign a disclosure stating you will be using them for example: agriculture and scaring birds are a few.

So actually you sign that disclosure and you are now liable for using them per the law. If some local pd's decide to enforce the law most will get up to a multi thousand fine and up to a year in jail.

So your statement doesn't say which exceptions are allowed so you are now complicit if someone acts on your statement which implys all Floridians. Tsk, tsk, tsk.


Other than "articles" here is the whole bill (very short, 1 page) for anyone wanting to actually read it:
https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2020/140/BillText/er/HTML

And the explanation page from the FL Senate website:
2020 Bill Summaries - The Florida Senate (https://www.flsenate.gov/Committees/billsummaries/2020/html/2155)

Most notable part says:
The bill is not intended to provide for the comprehensive regulation of fireworks as described in s. 10(5), ch. 2007-67, L.O.F., or to supersede any local government regulation relating to the use of fireworks.

In addition, the bill is not intended to supersede any fireworks prohibition within executed and recorded covenants or covenants running with the land of a ch. 720, F.S., homeowners’ association. However, a homeowners’ association, through a board of directors, may not promulgate rules that attempt to abrogate a homeowner’s right to use fireworks during a designated holiday or under general law.

So I am still not sure of the purpose of the bill if any local ordinance can still prohibit fireworks as well as any HOA??

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Fireworks would not be part of the reason. Gov. Ron DeSantis signed Senate Bill 140 into law making it legal for Floridians to set off real fireworks on three holidays: Fourth of July, New Year’s Eve and New Year’s Day.

...because what could possibly go wrong with a bunch of drunken college students home for a holiday vacation setting off professional shells in their back yard.

[B-flat]

We were stopped last year at a sobriety check point on our golf cart on Moss Blvd. not Morse Road. Both of us had been drinking heavily and we had some whisky left over. We asked the deputy if we dump it out will you let us go home we only live 2 blocks from here. Deputy said OK just promise me you’ll go home and don’t go to LSL and drink anymore. It was a close call.

By the way the date was April 1, 2021 :)

[kcrazorbackfan]

As I understand it, routine DUI checkpoints are legal in Florida, but, you have no obligation to answer any questions. I don't think the police can require you to take any tests unless they have probable cause that you have been drinking. Some attorneys advise that you don't even need to roll down your window, but show the police a statement of your legal right to not participate in the checkpoint. Not that I would do that.

I use to really enjoy dealing with those type of people at DUI checkpoints or car stops.

[Bogie Shooter]

For the newbies they are talking about Morse Boulevard……

[HeleneGB]

Sheriff should do both.

[mlmarr]

We had guests to arrive at our Party last night who said they were setting up Checkpoints for looking for intoxicated drivers. Were they checking golf carts and cars both? Was anyone stopped on Morse Road just north of 466 ?

Should be a weekly event/or nightly/way too many drink and drive here, plus the nonresidents that enjoy the bars around the area .. cars and golf carts.

[gettingby]

As I understand it, routine DUI checkpoints are legal in Florida, but, you have no obligation to answer any questions. I don't think the police can require you to take any tests unless they have probable cause that you have been drinking. Some attorneys advise that you don't even need to roll down your window, but show the police a statement of your legal right to not participate in the checkpoint. Not that I would do that.

This is the kind of advice that will get you butt kicked. Comply.

[KsJayhawkers]

As I understand it, routine DUI checkpoints are legal in Florida, but, you have no obligation to answer any questions. I don't think the police can require you to take any tests unless they have probable cause that you have been drinking. Some attorneys advise that you don't even need to roll down your window, but show the police a statement of your legal right to not participate in the checkpoint. Not that I would do that.

Police officers only need reasonable suspicion, not probable cause, to proceed further with a DUI investigation. The idiot attorneys advising people not to roll down their window and just that... As a driver, you are required to present a valid drivers license (Michigan v. Sitz) to a law enforcement officer upon their request. Failure to do so is subject to misdemeanor arrest.

[tallmanf]

We need more check points and speed traps.

[Chase219]

Yes, there is a police golf cart also set up just like a police car. Watch out don't drink and drive.

[tallmanf]

While we’re at it do a vision test and a drivers test.

[Two Bills]

I use to really enjoy dealing with those type of people at DUI checkpoints or car stops.

Some of the Sovereign Citizen arrest on YouTube are really funny to watch.

[Boston1945]

Sheriff should do both.

Driving drunk is against the law.Setting off fireworks in front of your home is NOT.

[golfing eagles]

We need more check points and speed traps.

Jawohl, mein Fuhrer!

[PennBF]

Anyone who has read some of my notes in TOTV's know how much I am against the use of mind altering drugs, (e.g. Pot, Coke, Booze, etc.) and it's impact on the families and the community. Having said this I am also against being able to stop and question anyone if they have first not demonstrated a probable cause. In the case of "roadblocks" where a citizen is stopped and questioned when there has been no indication of a violation of the law it is a challenge to their freedom and opens up a whole host of potential losses of freedom. As an example why not ask them where their going and for what reason? It does not take a genus to know what this can lead to. The practice of being able to stop someone with no sign of breaking the law was, from my understanding based on the actions of some "moms" who started "Mom's against drunk driving"? It was used as a watershed for getting a freedom taken away! I am totally against drunk driving and believe if caught the law should be hard on the driver BUT I see making everybody a "possible"criminal until and unless they prove they are not is a travesty against our freedoms! How far can it go?:ho:

[kendi]

As I understand it, routine DUI checkpoints are legal in Florida, but, you have no obligation to answer any questions. I don't think the police can require you to take any tests unless they have probable cause that you have been drinking. Some attorneys advise that you don't even need to roll down your window, but show the police a statement of your legal right to not participate in the checkpoint. Not that I would do that.

Not a big deal unless you’re guilty.

[tedquick]

I never knew guests were allowed to set up checkpoints.
I know resident aren't allowed to do it!:icon_wink:


Two Bill -- for some reason I find your response incredibly funny. Perhaps that's because I think that way and not sure how many others do. In any case, thanks for the "laughing-out-loud" experience.

ted

[RPDaly]

Anyone who has read some of my notes in TOTV's know how much I am against the use of mind altering drugs, (e.g. Pot, Coke, Booze, etc.) and it's impact on the families and the community. Having said this I am also against being able to stop and question anyone if they have first not demonstrated a probable cause. In the case of "roadblocks" where a citizen is stopped and questioned when there has been no indication of a violation of the law it is a challenge to their freedom and opens up a whole host of potential losses of freedom. As an example why not ask them where their going and for what reason? It does not take a genus to know what this can lead to. The practice of being able to stop someone with no sign of breaking the law was, from my understanding based on the actions of some "moms" who started "Mom's against drunk driving"? It was used as a watershed for getting a freedom taken away! I am totally against drunk driving and believe if caught the law should be hard on the driver BUT I see making everybody a "possible"criminal until and unless they prove they are not is a travesty against our freedoms! How far can it go?:ho:

SCOTUS upheld their legality back in 1990 but there are only 38 out of the 50 states that allow them. Some even find them in violation of their state constitution.

[ohiosbestus]

If the stops become regular, then people will stop going to our restaurants here in the villages, then the restaurants will start closing down. More vacant restaurants will mean more requests for apartments being sent for approvals!!! Got it!!!! Also why are there not mandatory checkpoints for people that use marijuana, heroine, etc..... just something to think about. Also when all the smart carts are being put into production, and you are not behind the wheel but still intoxicated riding in the passenger seat who is going to get the ticket for DUI ?????

[joelfmi]

As I understand it, routine DUI checkpoints are legal in Florida, but, you have no obligation to answer any questions. I don't think the police can require you to take any tests unless they have probable cause that you have been drinking. Some attorneys advise that you don't even need to roll down your window, but show the police a statement of your legal right to not participate in the checkpoint. Not that I would do that.
When schnapps goes in, judgment goes out. Leave the check points to police not private citizens.

[golfing eagles]

If the stops become regular, then people will stop going to our restaurants here in the villages, then the restaurants will start closing down. More vacant restaurants will mean more requests for apartments being sent for approvals!!! Got it!!!! Also why are there not mandatory checkpoints for people that use marijuana, heroine, etc..... just something to think about. Also when all the smart carts are being put into production, and you are not behind the wheel but still intoxicated riding in the passenger seat who is going to get the ticket for DUI ?????

Elon Musk?????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Deckboat234]

I am not sure it was a dui checkpoint. If it was on Morse near the Hope Lutheran church there are some cones in the roadway with a stop sign as the road is sunken in at that point. I thought it was a checkpoint until I got up next to it.

[jimjamuser]

Both DWIs and fireworks in residential areas are hazardous. How does the department choose, or maybe they were doing both. I don’t know, but I do see the stories about DWIs quite often and worry more that I’ll get taken out by a drunk, rather than my house burning.
I believe that I am suspicious of the maturity and intellect of anyone over the age of 10 that finds setting off fireworks to be interesting and exciting. Considering all the problems and good experiences that ANY 60 year old has gone through in their life, they ought to find lighting fireworks about as interesting as the proverbial, "watching paint dry"!
Take up sky diving or snorkeling at a Fl reef for excitement - read a good book - anything but fireworks - grow up!

[Wyseguy]

As I understand it, routine DUI checkpoints are legal in Florida, but, you have no obligation to answer any questions. I don't think the police can require you to take any tests unless they have probable cause that you have been drinking. Some attorneys advise that you don't even need to roll down your window, but show the police a statement of your legal right to not participate in the checkpoint. Not that I would do that.

Use your rights or lose them. Always be polite, but realize that the police are not speaking with you because they wish to be friends. They are looking for RAS that would enable them to detain then possibly arrest you.

[Wyseguy]

Not a big deal unless you’re guilty.

Not really a good policy to follow, imo. I neither drink nor do any drugs (other than BP meds). I will not willingly allow anyone to search my person or possessions (auto). I believe in the Constitution and the rights it gives us.

[jimjamuser]

Anyone who has read some of my notes in TOTV's know how much I am against the use of mind altering drugs, (e.g. Pot, Coke, Booze, etc.) and it's impact on the families and the community. Having said this I am also against being able to stop and question anyone if they have first not demonstrated a probable cause. In the case of "roadblocks" where a citizen is stopped and questioned when there has been no indication of a violation of the law it is a challenge to their freedom and opens up a whole host of potential losses of freedom. As an example why not ask them where their going and for what reason? It does not take a genus to know what this can lead to. The practice of being able to stop someone with no sign of breaking the law was, from my understanding based on the actions of some "moms" who started "Mom's against drunk driving"? It was used as a watershed for getting a freedom taken away! I am totally against drunk driving and believe if caught the law should be hard on the driver BUT I see making everybody a "possible"criminal until and unless they prove they are not is a travesty against our freedoms! How far can it go?:ho:
There are minor freedoms and MAJOR freedom. Too much concentration on minor freedoms COULD (?) cause citizens to lose focus on the "big picture".

[Stu from NYC]

Not really a good policy to follow, imo. I neither drink nor do any drugs (other than BP meds). I will not willingly allow anyone to search my person or possessions (auto). I believe in the Constitution and the rights it gives us.

I do agree on searching your auto.

Bring your car in for servicing and it is out of your control and bad things can happen.

Cop finds an illegal substance in your car and go prove it is not yours.

[Kim McGraw]

I never knew guests were allowed to set up checkpoints.
I know resident aren't allowed to do it!:icon_wink:

Too funny

[Number 10 GI]

SCOTUS upheld their legality back in 1990 but there are only 38 out of the 50 states that allow them. Some even find them in violation of their state constitution.

I can't find the article on that ruling but there were a lot of restrictions placed on the police. The court finding does not allow unrestricted authority by the police. If I can find the article, I'll post it.

[PennBF]

I believe the restrictions placed on the Police is they must set up the number of cars they must use as a control, (e.g. must stop every 10th car and can't just pick any one they want, etd). There are restrictions on questions?), etc. Even considering this is still a threat to freedoms as it sets the stage to expand the threat to other reasons for "blockades"! In the 50's you would be laughed at if you told someone the police were going to be able to stop and interrogated you even if you had not committed a crime!! People are so fast to give up their freedoms rather than to demand they are protected!:ohdear:

[spd2918]

Stopping people who appear to have done nothing illegal is BS. It is an overreach and should not be allowed. I understand the goal of taking drunks off the road, but if an officer can't find reasonable suspicion with the driver's driving then what is the problem?