How is everyone coping with things beginning to look like another lockdown perhaps

[riptip]

I am so not looking forward to being cooped up again. Am hoping we get through the worst of this in 4-6 weeks. Hopefully cases will stay low in TV because most of us are vaccinated. I prob will refrain from the squares for a bit. Best to all of you!

[Kenswing]

I am so not looking forward to being cooped up again. Am hoping we get through the worst of this in 4-6 weeks. Hopefully cases will stay low in TV because most of us are vaccinated. I prob will refrain from the squares for a bit. Best to all of you!
I don’t worry about things that might happen. Besides, I doubt our governor would allow another lockdown.

[Dana1963]

I am so not looking forward to being cooped up again. Am hoping we get through the worst of this in 4-6 weeks. Hopefully cases will stay low in TV because most of us are vaccinated. I prob will refrain from the squares for a bit. Best to all of you!
We all must rely on personal choice. Just because someone says it’s nothing to worry about may not be taking your best interest. I never follow the crowd.

[Madelaine Amee]

Di Santis is not going to lock down Florida during high season. Also, TV is probably one of the safest places to be. Many people wearing masks and have had their shots and boosters. All good.

[JMintzer]

I don’t worry about things that might happen. Besides, I doubt our governor would allow another lockdown.

Hence my Tom Petty quote...

[pauld315]

I had this Omicron, I am fully vaccinated and 68 years old. It was like a mild cold. This variant isn't causing those who were vaccinated to be admitted to the hospital. I don't know where the OP went through a lockdown but we only kind of had one for one month the first year. DeSantis is not going to lock down the state for a glorified cold.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Actually, lockdown is the least of the worries, the original poster has recency bias.

The real worry, which is happening in smaller hospitals, and having reduced services in larger hospitals, is sick hospital workers. Now, everyone's first thought about hospitals are doctors and nurses. But those are NOT the workers who are getting sick:

Janitorial staff is getting thin which results in slower room cleanings between patients, slowing down available rooms.
Food service staff is getting thin, cafeterias closing to only be available to serve patients.
admin and back office staff getting thin, meaning that reports for doctors and management to make decisions are slowing down,
as well as regulatory reporting.

XRay technicians are getting thin, as well as cardiac lab staff in places. . .

All these contribute to less available beds for sick people and for normal car and fall accidents with broken bones, etc.

the math is if hospitalizations are cut in half with less severity, but the transmission is 2x as fast or more, the same or more patients will need beds. . .

So make sure you drive carefully and be up on all your doctor appointments and drug refills or prescriptions so that you don't have to see the doctor to continue medications.

and yes, I listened to internal medical center meetings in the morning, so its not MSM or TV or web site reports, but actual multiple hospitals' reporting and decisions. . .

[CoachKandSportsguy]

However, if you want real life web pages:

Florida hospital shuts down labor and delivery unit amid staffing shortage (https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/patient-flow/florida-hospital-shuts-down-labor-and-delivery-unit-amid-staffing-shortage.html)

Historic Long Beach Hospital To Close Emergency Department – CBS Los Angeles (https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2021/11/17/historic-long-beach-hospital-to-close-emergency-department/)

Crawfordsville restaurant feeds healthcare workers after hospital cafeteria closed temporarily (https://fox59.com/news/crawfordsville-restaurant-feeds-healthcare-workers-after-hospital-cafeteria-closed-temporarily/)

More than 200 staff members at Windsor Regional Hospital off work due to COVID-19 or isolation (https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/more-than-200-staff-members-at-windsor-regional-hospital-off-work-due-to-covid-19-or-isolation/ar-AASooIg)

NJ hospitals face staff shortage as COVID hospitalizations climb (https://pix11.com/news/local-news/new-jersey/nj-hospitals-face-staff-shortage-as-hospitalizations-climb-with-tsunami-of-covid-cases/)

https://www.ksnt.com/health/coronavirus/covid-19-nurse-shortage-shutting-down-kansas-hospitals-icu/

Google: hospital closed shortage

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Close friend, hospital staffing recruiter:

Travelling nurses are now up to $200 per hour, plus living expenses. . .

:boom:

[triflex]

There won't be a lockdown in Florida.

[Boomer]

I don’t think there will be an official lockdown, even in my home state, Ohio, which is in a mess with the hospitals being full of mostly the unvaccinated. The governor has mobilized the National Guard to assist in some hospitals in the state.

Even though we are vaccinated and boosted, we are reining in some things we have been doing until this post-holiday surge shakes out. We have been pretty blasé about our masks, but will be wearing them again and more carefully picking and choosing where we want to go, for a while. (Please don’t get all grouchy and bent outa shape, golfing eagles, we will not be wearing our masks while driving in our cars. :) )

Omicron is so highly and quickly contagious that we have decided to be more careful for a while. We are still in Ohio, for now.

NJ, MD, OH, & NY are getting pounded with hospitalizations. And lots of people have traveled in the past few weeks.

Omicron might not be quite as good at killing people — but it sure is good at hitching a ride. The holiday exposures are taking their toll. I think we are in a wait-and-see phase, so that’s what we are choosing to do for ourselves. We are seeing this thing hit close to home, with people we actually know.

We have plenty to do around here anyway. But we hope our self-imposed, semi-house-arrest does not have to last long.

Semi-optimistic Boomer

[tophcfa]

Actually, lockdown is the least of the worries, the original poster has recency bias.

The real worry, which is happening in smaller hospitals, and having reduced services in larger hospitals, is sick hospital workers. Now, everyone's first thought about hospitals are doctors and nurses. But those are NOT the workers who are getting sick:

Janitorial staff is getting thin which results in slower room cleanings between patients, slowing down available rooms.
Food service staff is getting thin, cafeterias closing to only be available to serve patients.
admin and back office staff getting thin, meaning that reports for doctors and management to make decisions are slowing down,
as well as regulatory reporting.

XRay technicians are getting thin, as well as cardiac lab staff in places. . .

All these contribute to less available beds for sick people and for normal car and fall accidents with broken bones, etc.

the math is if hospitalizations are cut in half with less severity, but the transmission is 2x as fast or more, the same or more patients will need beds. . .

So make sure you drive carefully and be up on all your doctor appointments and drug refills or prescriptions so that you don't have to see the doctor to continue medications.

and yes, I listened to internal medical center meetings in the morning, so its not MSM or TV or web site reports, but actual multiple hospitals' reporting and decisions. . .

Totally agree, this is spot on. It’s very easy to ignore or underestimate the importance of this right up until the time when you, or a loved one, desperately needs a hospital bed and none are available. Trust me, it totally sucks. Been there, done that, and never want to be there again.

[gettingby]

I am so not looking forward to being cooped up again. Am hoping we get through the worst of this in 4-6 weeks. Hopefully cases will stay low in TV because most of us are vaccinated. I prob will refrain from the squares for a bit. Best to all of you!

Turn off CNN, live your life. My son-in-laws mom just came down with covid a few days ago. She’s had 2 shots and isn’t due for the booster just yet. I txt her yesterday and this was her response: “ Great! I guess because of the vaccine. I felt like I had a cold Friday and part of Saturday. No fever, no aches, no loss of taste or smell. Just congested but even that is almost gone.”.
Looks like we’re all going to catch this cold sooner or later. Good thing we live in a free state.

[msilagy]

Have you heard of anyone dying in TV? This too shall pass.

[symc655@gmail.com]

Everyone do your part and don't pass along bad information. If you don't work in healthcare and have not experienced this public health crisis on the front lines your opinions are not facts. We are still intubating patients and putting them on ventilators, unvaccinated. WE are tired RN's. The complexity is hard to explain to lay people. Everyone will have a different response to immunizations and symptoms based on their genetics and immune systems that's why we all look different. Stay safe

[Love2Swim]

Di Santis is not going to lock down Florida during high season. Also, TV is probably one of the safest places to be. Many people wearing masks and have had their shots and boosters. All good.

?? We went to the square the other night, and no one had a mask on. Not one single person.

[Love2Swim]

Have you heard of anyone dying in TV? This too shall pass.

Yes, we know several people that have passed as a result of Covid.

[Love2Swim]

Turn off CNN, live your life. My son-in-laws mom just came down with covid a few days ago. She’s had 2 shots and isn’t due for the booster just yet. I txt her yesterday and this was her response: “ Great! I guess because of the vaccine. I felt like I had a cold Friday and part of Saturday. No fever, no aches, no loss of taste or smell. Just congested but even that is almost gone.”.
Looks like we’re all going to catch this cold sooner or later. Good thing we live in a free state.

Turn off Fox News. Too much mis-information. Scary that people believe those falsehoods.

[Madelaine Amee]

?? We went to the square the other night, and no one had a mask on. Not one single person.

Did not give much thought to the squares:ohdear: as we don't go too often any more. I must admit I was thinking day to day living.

[Andyb]

No worries, the “pandemic” is ending, it has run it course and cases will be dropping drastically in a few months. I can guarantee it will be over by the mid term elections.

[Ski Bum]

Wow, what a contrast to posts we would have had a year ago. We've learned so much about how to deal with this and live our lives.

[MandoMan]

I am so not looking forward to being cooped up again. Am hoping we get through the worst of this in 4-6 weeks. Hopefully cases will stay low in TV because most of us are vaccinated. I prob will refrain from the squares for a bit. Best to all of you!

In another month, the regimen of pills that fight Covid should be available to us, and that will be a huge help for those of us who are at greater risk. Of course, compared to the vaccine, it is barely tested, so I don’t know if anti-vaxxers will be willing to use it.

[garylubbes]

Actually, lockdown is the least of the worries, the original poster has recency bias.

The real worry, which is happening in smaller hospitals, and having reduced services in larger hospitals, is sick hospital workers. Now, everyone's first thought about hospitals are doctors and nurses. But those are NOT the workers who are getting sick:

Janitorial staff is getting thin which results in slower room cleanings between patients, slowing down available rooms.
Food service staff is getting thin, cafeterias closing to only be available to serve patients.
admin and back office staff getting thin, meaning that reports for doctors and management to make decisions are slowing down,
as well as regulatory reporting.

XRay technicians are getting thin, as well as cardiac lab staff in places. . .

All these contribute to less available beds for sick people and for normal car and fall accidents with broken bones, etc.

the math is if hospitalizations are cut in half with less severity, but the transmission is 2x as fast or more, the same or more patients will need beds. . .

So make sure you drive carefully and be up on all your doctor appointments and drug refills or prescriptions so that you don't have to see the doctor to continue medications.

and yes, I listened to internal medical center meetings in the morning, so its not MSM or TV or web site reports, but actual multiple hospitals' reporting and decisions. . .

Spot on

[lpkruege1]

However, if you want real life web pages:

Florida hospital shuts down labor and delivery unit amid staffing shortage (https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/patient-flow/florida-hospital-shuts-down-labor-and-delivery-unit-amid-staffing-shortage.html)

Historic Long Beach Hospital To Close Emergency Department – CBS Los Angeles (https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2021/11/17/historic-long-beach-hospital-to-close-emergency-department/)

Crawfordsville restaurant feeds healthcare workers after hospital cafeteria closed temporarily (https://fox59.com/news/crawfordsville-restaurant-feeds-healthcare-workers-after-hospital-cafeteria-closed-temporarily/)

More than 200 staff members at Windsor Regional Hospital off work due to COVID-19 or isolation (https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/more-than-200-staff-members-at-windsor-regional-hospital-off-work-due-to-covid-19-or-isolation/ar-AASooIg)

NJ hospitals face staff shortage as COVID hospitalizations climb (https://pix11.com/news/local-news/new-jersey/nj-hospitals-face-staff-shortage-as-hospitalizations-climb-with-tsunami-of-covid-cases/)

https://www.ksnt.com/health/coronavirus/covid-19-nurse-shortage-shutting-down-kansas-hospitals-icu/

Google: hospital closed shortage

What they don't tell you is the bed shortage due to the vaccine mandates. Estimates at 20% have left the larger hospitals due to the vaccine mandate. You are correct, there isn't a bed shortage, there is a staffing shortage.

[tophcfa]

What they don't tell you is the bed shortage due to the vaccine mandates. Estimates at 20% have left the larger hospitals due to the vaccine mandate. You are correct, there isn't a bed shortage, there is a staffing shortage.

Does the blame fall on the vaccine mandate, or the @#$&*’s that refuse to comply with the mandate?

[Bill1701]

I am so not looking forward to being cooped up again. Am hoping we get through the worst of this in 4-6 weeks. Hopefully cases will stay low in TV because most of us are vaccinated. I prob will refrain from the squares for a bit. Best to all of you!

I'll handle it the same way I handled the last one. Continue to live my life, but make whatever changes are required by law. I didn't stop doing any of the things I enjoy except for the ones that totally shut down.

[cj1040]

I am so not looking forward to being cooped up again. Am hoping we get through the worst of this in 4-6 weeks. Hopefully cases will stay low in TV because most of us are vaccinated. I prob will refrain from the squares for a bit. Best to all of you!

With so many people returning from holiday travel where they were around many people on planes, cruises and family gatherings it is just the calm before the storm here in The Villages I believe.

[Lindaws]

Why a lockdown? Never happen. We need to live with this virus.

[Cliff Fr]

Aren't some of the staff shortages caused by firing employees who refused to be vaccinated?

[fgaba1949]

I don’t worry about things that might happen. Besides, I doubt our governor would allow another lockdown.

I agree
I used to think our health experts knew what they were doing and now I think they don't really know what is going on and are grasping at straws

and many of those SELF-PROCLAIMED medical EXPERTS have totally different and contradictory views

Back when this virus started it was all about clean surfaces masks and testing.

We waited for the vaccines as we were told that the vaccines were the way to go and when they first came out people thought that was the end of the virus as we would have some form of herd immunity as well

We soon we found out that vaccines sort of worked but not the way THE EXPERTS thought they would work...soon a 2nd shot was needed and now a booster and then maybe another booster? YET MORE AND MORE people got the Virus many of which were vaccinated with a booster.

but even with all of that we are now being told that while its good it does NOT really vaccinate you against the virus but maybe it makes the new virus like the flu ?

Testing has turned into a joke with a ton of different EXPERT opinions

Once considered the best way to go by the experts

now it seems that testing provides results that are confusing and doesn't really protect the folks who tested negative as they might get it an hour later.

Biden said he would 500 million test kits by Mid Jan...will that help ?

and where will he get them

as I believe Abbot makes the most reliable test kit and they can only make a small fraction of that amount

So yes I was a BELIEVER in the EXPERTS at the beginning but not any longer

[Pachine58]

So for new strain it does not matter if vaxed or unvaxed, it is equal opportunity. It is extremely contagious like the measles so figure you will get it. Lasts 3-5 days with flu symptoms and no lung component with it. You will get natural anti bodies against Delta. Now most people who end up in hospital are infected with Delta, the deadly form.

[brabz]

Even though you get vaccinated, my mother-in-law died from covid. She lives in PA but they do not have the Monoclonal antibody therapy. In Brownwood movie theater, they have this treatment.(free) I tested positive on a Weds. last month, went for the monoclonal therapy that day and had no symptoms. My husband also got it but he was running a high fever. The next day after treatment he had no symptoms. We are really lucky to have DeSantis as our governor. We have the medicine to help us.

[irishwonone]

Great. I know the drill now.

[merrymini]

These shots offer no protection from omicron.
Most people do not die from covid.
Cruise ships are filled with vaccinated people who are sick with omicron.
Omicron is relatively mild.
The feds have cornered the market on treatments making it unavailable through the state imdependently.
Masks are useless unless they are n 95s.
Numbers do not support the amount of deaths attributed to covid.
They are lying people, wake up.

[ficoguy]

Panic time

[Annie66]

Aren't some of the staff shortages caused by firing employees who refused to be vaccinated?

Yes ..... but the data I've seen indicates that the lion share of the shortages are caused by Covid.

[oneclickplus]

Di Santis is not going to lock down Florida during high season. Also, TV is probably one of the safest places to be. Many people wearing masks and have had their shots and boosters. All good.

About as safe as a fully vaccinated cruise ship.

CDC warns against cruise ship travel regardless of vaccination status : Coronavirus Updates : NPR (https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/12/30/1069253312/cdc-cruise-ship-travel-covid-19)

[Dana1963]

I am so not looking forward to being cooped up again. Am hoping we get through the worst of this in 4-6 weeks. Hopefully cases will stay low in TV because most of us are vaccinated. I prob will refrain from the squares for a bit. Best to all of you!
I doubt it what will control events will be a sick labor force. The next 4-6 weeks may be an issue.

[Annie66]

I agree
I used to think our health experts knew what they were doing and now I think they don't really know what is going on and are grasping at straws

and many of those SELF-PROCLAIMED medical EXPERTS have totally different and contradictory views

Back when this virus started it was all about clean surfaces masks and testing.

We waited for the vaccines as we were told that the vaccines were the way to go and when they first came out people thought that was the end of the virus as we would have some form of herd immunity as well

We soon we found out that vaccines sort of worked but not the way THE EXPERTS thought they would work...soon a 2nd shot was needed and now a booster and then maybe another booster? YET MORE AND MORE people got the Virus many of which were vaccinated with a booster.

but even with all of that we are now being told that while its good it does NOT really vaccinate you against the virus but maybe it makes the new virus like the flu ?

Testing has turned into a joke with a ton of different EXPERT opinions

Once considered the best way to go by the experts

now it seems that testing provides results that are confusing and doesn't really protect the folks who tested negative as they might get it an hour later.

Biden said he would 500 million test kits by Mid Jan...will that help ?

and where will he get them

as I believe Abbot makes the most reliable test kit and they can only make a small fraction of that amount

So yes I was a BELIEVER in the EXPERTS at the beginning but not any longer

I understand your skepticism, but having worked in the field, as you have heard, viruses mutate, often quickly. We have seen this with this year's flu virus (H3N2) that bypasses the vaccine. This is what we are beginning to see with the Omicron variant of Sars-Cov-2. With more people being infected, a higher number of mutations occur. Most are innocuous with little effect on the broader population, but some like the Delta and Omicron variants have staggering impacts. It takes some time to determine the effects of a new variant and then determine the best steps to mitigate it. The data is interpreted by the medical experts who too often interpret the data differently.....thus the confusion.

In the end, you have to make your own decisions. This does not mean ignore what you hear. Unfortunately, too many folks seem to be doing that these days. My concern is with the prevalence of Omicron infections world-wide, we stand a significant chance of having a more transmissible variant mutate that is much deadlier than what we have experienced, or it is unaffected by the current vaccines. Will we ignore the medical advice until it is too late?

[Larchap49]

Close friend, hospital staffing recruiter:

Travelling nurses are now up to $200 per hour, plus living expenses. . .

:boom:

Post who and where as my daughter is a travel ER Nurse and getting $105.00 with living expenses included in the Orlando area. Her contract is almost up and the recruiter hasn't found any better, in fact he says Hospitals are fighting the rates trying to cut them back.

[DAVES]

I am so not looking forward to being cooped up again. Am hoping we get through the worst of this in 4-6 weeks. Hopefully cases will stay low in TV because most of us are vaccinated. I prob will refrain from the squares for a bit. Best to all of you!

People are people. We have been dealing with this for three years. A diet. They all work.
Almost all fail because people do not stay on them.

Far as covid, I am getting sloppy as are most people.

Far as posts. Like everything else. People are people. So many say I am better than ....

[DAVES]

Post who and where as my daughter is a travel ER Nurse and getting $105.00 with living expenses included in the Orlando area. Her contract is almost up and the recruiter hasn't found any better, in fact he says Hospitals are fighting the rates trying to cut them back.

I remember as a kid, I got a summer job with a booking agent called MANPOWER. I'm not sure if they are still in business. They would supply labor for temporary positions. The workers I met, including me, were totally unqualified. I FOOLISHLY tried to do a good job.Others simply did not care. The agency billed customers 3x what they paid the workers.

Our entire medical system is a MESS. An ER nurse. Imagine you have a life threatening issue and the person helping you was picked up out of a day labor pool and is being paid half or less of what the hospital is paying the booking agent.

[DAVES]

I understand your skepticism, but having worked in the field, as you have heard, viruses mutate, often quickly. We have seen this with this year's flu virus (H3N2) that bypasses the vaccine. This is what we are beginning to see with the Omicron variant of Sars-Cov-2. With more people being infected, a higher number of mutations occur. Most are innocuous with little effect on the broader population, but some like the Delta and Omicron variants have staggering impacts. It takes some time to determine the effects of a new variant and then determine the best steps to mitigate it. The data is interpreted by the medical experts who too often interpret the data differently.....thus the confusion.

In the end, you have to make your own decisions. This does not mean ignore what you hear. Unfortunately, too many folks seem to be doing that these days. My concern is with the prevalence of Omicron infections world-wide, we stand a significant chance of having a more transmissible variant mutate that is much deadlier than what we have experienced, or it is unaffected by the current vaccines. Will we ignore the medical advice until it is too late?

People are people. We expect, no we demand, perfect answers. They do not exist.
Reality, we are, I AM retired it is far easier for me than when I was working-contacting far more people-using public transportation. The business I was in has surely slowed down. I'm sure people are not paying bills. I'm sure collecting past due bills are being made tough due to the people running these things.

As far as ignoring medical advice, no matter what we think, you can find AN EXPERT to agree with you and another EXPERT who says the other EXPERT is wrong.

[Warcats]

Get tough.Humans have endured a lot more hardship than this. And stop blaming people if you are. Back in pharmacy school in the 70s we knew this would happen someday. If a fierce bacteria ever gets loose that's when to worry. No major breakthroughs in antibiotics for years. We may have lived in the golden time of virus and bacteria fighting be thankful for that. If we have to wear masks to protect others so be it. And get politics out of this. When kids start dying in numbers maybe these no mask no vaccine folks will get a clue.

[EdFNJ]

Yet another innocuous looking post, that gets misinformation and speculation back on the TOTV board.
Time to give these posts the elbow, and totally ignore them.
Plenty of dogs and roundabouts to keep us amused! What is remarkable is these type of threads are most often started by users who have had accounts for 7-10 years and never made a previous post and after the post never return. Seems way to coincidental as there are dozens of these over a year ALWAYS topics that will obviously start long drawn out threads. The OP joined TOTV 10 years ago and his (her) only 2 posts were yesterday. If it swims like a fish it's fishy.

[chriskean82]

If you don’t want to lock down, DONT!! I assume your a human with free choice and not a robot following orders or the main stream press.

[mrf0151]

We live in a Free country and a Free state. Do as you wish within the Law and Constitution. God Bless America!!

[thevillages2013]

?? We went to the square the other night, and no one had a mask on. Not one single person.

Did you have a mask on?

[jimjamuser]

Turn off CNN, live your life. My son-in-laws mom just came down with covid a few days ago. She’s had 2 shots and isn’t due for the booster just yet. I txt her yesterday and this was her response: “ Great! I guess because of the vaccine. I felt like I had a cold Friday and part of Saturday. No fever, no aches, no loss of taste or smell. Just congested but even that is almost gone.”.
Looks like we’re all going to catch this cold sooner or later. Good thing we live in a free state.
in a free state? Does that mean state of animation? State of hibernation? State of inebriation? State of incoherence? State of trauma? Free of ghosts? Free of income tax? Free of many rainy days? A whole spectrum of meaning!

[patfla06]

?? We went to the square the other night, and no one had a mask on. Not one single person.

I wonder if it’s because the people still wearing masks (ME!) wouldn’t be in the square for any reason.

[Carpe Diem]

It's a cold. An easy way to get natural immunity. There will be no lockdown in Florida.

[coffeebean]

Yes, we know several people that have passed as a result of Covid.

Was it the latest Omicron variant?

[smenzel]

Interesting. Now all hospital workers were required to be vaccinated to keep their jobs and now a large number of them are out sick at the same time?


Actually, lockdown is the least of the worries, the original poster has recency bias.

The real worry, which is happening in smaller hospitals, and having reduced services in larger hospitals, is sick hospital workers. Now, everyone's first thought about hospitals are doctors and nurses. But those are NOT the workers who are getting sick:

Janitorial staff is getting thin which results in slower room cleanings between patients, slowing down available rooms.
Food service staff is getting thin, cafeterias closing to only be available to serve patients.
admin and back office staff getting thin, meaning that reports for doctors and management to make decisions are slowing down,
as well as regulatory reporting.

XRay technicians are getting thin, as well as cardiac lab staff in places. . .

All these contribute to less available beds for sick people and for normal car and fall accidents with broken bones, etc.

the math is if hospitalizations are cut in half with less severity, but the transmission is 2x as fast or more, the same or more patients will need beds. . .

So make sure you drive carefully and be up on all your doctor appointments and drug refills or prescriptions so that you don't have to see the doctor to continue medications.

and yes, I listened to internal medical center meetings in the morning, so its not MSM or TV or web site reports, but actual multiple hospitals' reporting and decisions. . .

[kitnhead]

I do not participate in lockdowns and neither should anyone else.

[jswirs]

?? We went to the square the other night, and no one had a mask on. Not one single person.

:mademyday:

[Love2Swim]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim View Post
?? We went to the square the other night, and no one had a mask on. Not one single person.

Did you have a mask on?

We stayed off to the side, out of the square in our golf cart where we could listen to music and people watch, and yes we did wear masks.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Post who and where as my daughter is a travel ER Nurse and getting $105.00 with living expenses included in the Orlando area. Her contract is almost up and the recruiter hasn't found any better, in fact he says Hospitals are fighting the rates trying to cut them back.


hospital recruiter = hires as total cost to hospital = cost of recruiter + cost of nurse

Most labor contractors charge 100% (2x) employee rate, basically splitting the cost to the hospital with the employee

Coachk says if your daughter wants to work in the snow and ice in New England, PM us and we will pass along a contact information to the recruiter. . .:coolsmiley:

[mlmarr]

stop living FEAR or FAITH .. when you do .... you no longer Trust God and the government controls you.

Trust God and know he has this .. go live your life !

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim View Post
?? We went to the square the other night, and no one had a mask on. Not one single person.



We stayed off to the side, out of the square in our golf cart where we could listen to music and people watch, and yes we did wear masks.

So..... No one was wearing a mask except you???? What does that tell you?????

[fgaba1949]

I am so not looking forward to being cooped up again. Am hoping we get through the worst of this in 4-6 weeks. Hopefully cases will stay low in TV because most of us are vaccinated. I prob will refrain from the squares for a bit. Best to all of you!

How long before a new strain of virus is identified and what will you do if this becomes the new normal

I think we should just live our lives

[Queenie504]

I'll do whatever it takes to keep myself and others safe. If it takes another shut down so be it.

[Bay Kid]

It is that time of year to be sick, whether natural or manmade. As it has been my whole life if you are sick stay home, drink plenty of fluids and have some chicken noodle soup.

[golfing eagles]

It is that time of year to be sick, whether natural or manmade. As it has been my whole life if you are sick stay home, drink plenty of fluids and have some chicken noodle soup.

But don't forget to get on a 6 hour line for a COVID test:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[024engine]

DeSantis is not going to lock us down. Don't panic. The situation is not as serious as the main stream media is making it out to be. They trying to keep this virus thing going, so everyone will get jab after jab. The stock holders of the vax companies line their pockets with every jab. A good many of our current administration are large stock holders in those companies.

[golfing eagles]

DeSantis is not going to lock us down. Don't panic. The situation is not as serious as the main stream media is making it out to be. They trying to keep this virus thing going, so everyone will get jab after jab. The stock holders of the vax companies line their pockets with every jab. A good many of our current administration are large stock holders in those companies.

Conspiracy theory much?????

But for a moment assume you are right----call your broker at 9:30----why try to beat them when you can join them?????

[Marine1974]

4.5 million people left their jobs in November alone . Labor shortages
in healthcare will force the governors of many states including Florida to shut down
Overcrowding in hospitals the Governor has no control over . Pediatrics seeing a very large surge . The unvaccinated are causing hospitals to fill up . 85 % of Covid hospitalizations are unvaccinated. 95 % of Covid patients on Ventilators are unvaccinated.
The state of affairs will shut states down
not what the governor decides ., He doesn’t have any control over hospitals filling up , employees leaving their jobs and
Staff vaccinated getting sick and staff unvaccinated to get deathly sick from Covid .

[golfing eagles]

4.5 million people left their jobs in November alone . Labor shortages
in healthcare will force the governors of many states including Florida to shut down
Overcrowding in hospitals the Governor has no control over . Pediatrics seeing a very large surge . The unvaccinated are causing hospitals to fill up . 85 % of Covid hospitalizations are unvaccinated. 95 % of Covid patients on Ventilators are unvaccinated.
The state of affairs will shut states down
not what the governor decides ., He doesn’t have any control over hospitals filling up , employees leaving their jobs and
Staff vaccinated getting sick and staff unvaccinated to get deathly sick from Covid .

Yep, "deathly sick"......

From the Orange County Health Dept. just 25 minutes ago:

2020 Covid death rate--------about 2%
2021 Covid death rate--------0.054%

Yes 0.054%----that's half as deadly as seasonal flu. Doesn't speak for other areas of the country, but here in Central FL, pretty good

[JMintzer]

Yep, "deathly sick"......

From the Orange County Health Dept. just 25 minutes ago:

2020 Covid death rate--------about 2%
2021 Covid death rate--------0.054%

Yes 0.054%----that's half as deadly as seasonal flu. Doesn't speak for other areas of the country, but here in Central FL, pretty good

You HUSH with your facts! :icon_wink:

[golfing eagles]

You HUSH with your facts! :icon_wink:

Sorry.

I am aware that the facts confuse many that have made up "their own minds" after doing "their own research", or are following some political philosophy, or are glued to the 24/7 misinformation cable channels. Mea culpa.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[nick demis]

Actually, lockdown is the least of the worries, the original poster has recency bias.

The real worry, which is happening in smaller hospitals, and having reduced services in larger hospitals, is sick hospital workers. Now, everyone's first thought about hospitals are doctors and nurses. But those are NOT the workers who are getting sick:

Janitorial staff is getting thin which results in slower room cleanings between patients, slowing down available rooms.
Food service staff is getting thin, cafeterias closing to only be available to serve patients.
admin and back office staff getting thin, meaning that reports for doctors and management to make decisions are slowing down,
as well as regulatory reporting.

XRay technicians are getting thin, as well as cardiac lab staff in places. . .

All these contribute to less available beds for sick people and for normal car and fall accidents with broken bones, etc.

the math is if hospitalizations are cut in half with less severity, but the transmission is 2x as fast or more, the same or more patients will need beds. . .

So make sure you drive carefully and be up on all your doctor appointments and drug refills or prescriptions so that you don't have to see the doctor to continue medications.

and yes, I listened to internal medical center meetings in the morning, so its not MSM or TV or web site reports, but actual multiple hospitals' reporting and decisions. . .

So why don't hospitals have covid and non-covid wings or floors? Medical staff that have covid work in the covid wing and non-covid staff work in the wing that is covid free.

[MEbner2805]

There won’t be any lockdowns in FL with our Governor who doesn’t over-react and impede business and freedoms!!! Plus I do not think most here are vaccinated at all and the booster shot doesn’t affect this new variant at all! The original vaccines are worn off and we are all vulnerable again but most people don’t seem to care as they are packing in the squares on top of others in crowds again as if nothing is wrong. We won’t have any of the high numbers like other places in FL just like before at the lowest rates of infection so don’t get worked up for nothing and stop watching the Orlando news as we are not part of that big city abd do not share their problems this far away! Don’t start a panic abd just live your life and protect yourself and stay home if you feel unsafe.

[MEbner2805]

Yes, we know several people that have passed as a result of Covid.

They likely didn’t get the Covid here! People that travel may get it even if vaccinated. Nothing stops the variants.

[rogerk]

What makes you think we’re heading for another lock down? It’s beginning to look like a lot of the hospitalization that were reported as COVID-19 have turned out to be people, especially children, being admitted to the hospital for other reasons and then testing positive for COVID-19. Apparently many are asymptomatic.

Why are people so afraid? This is not Armageddon. We now have therapeutics, if the government will allow them to be distributed. Stop believing all the propaganda! Learn the FACTS!

[golfing eagles]

They likely didn’t get the Covid here! People that travel may get it even if vaccinated. Nothing stops the variants.

Completely, 100% false, and a post with that degree of misinformation does nobody any good.

[JMintzer]

What makes you think we’re heading for another lock down? It’s beginning to look like a lot of the hospitalization that were reported as COVID-19 have turned out to be people, especially children, being admitted to the hospital for other reasons and then testing positive for COVID-19. Apparently many are asymptomatic.

Why are people so afraid? This is not Armageddon. We now have therapeutics, if the government will allow them to be distributed. Stop believing all the propaganda! Learn the FACTS!

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/566/702/3f2.jpeg

[Dreah]

Turn off CNN, live your life. My son-in-laws mom just came down with covid a few days ago. She’s had 2 shots and isn’t due for the booster just yet. I txt her yesterday and this was her response: “ Great! I guess because of the vaccine. I felt like I had a cold Friday and part of Saturday. No fever, no aches, no loss of taste or smell. Just congested but even that is almost gone.”.
Looks like we’re all going to catch this cold sooner or later. Good thing we live in a free state.

I love how no politics is allowed here, yet there's this.

[EdFNJ]

stop living FEAR or FAITH .. when you do .... you no longer Trust God and the government controls you.

Trust God and know he has this .. go live your life ! Admittedly Troll comment follows: So why didn't "HE" have the 5,460,000 worldwide deaths that have already occurred (and even if one doesn't believe there were 5,400,000 you can use 999,000 as a number .... or even 900 ). They don't have "lives to live" anymore and their families don't have their fathers, mothers, daughters etc.

[RuthA]

If you took the vaccine, wore a mask and social distanced, panicked and stayed at home, you definitely followed the crowd.

[Shutterbug]

i am so not looking forward to being cooped up again. Am hoping we get through the worst of this in 4-6 weeks. Hopefully cases will stay low in tv because most of us are vaccinated. I prob will refrain from the squares for a bit. Best to all of you!

stock up on toilet paper.

[frank1975]

There will be no lockdown!!! The country would be destroyed!!!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

stop living FEAR or FAITH .. when you do .... you no longer Trust God and the government controls you.

Trust God and know he has this .. go live your life !

I trust that god gave us brains so that some of us could become doctors and scientists. If she didn't mean for that to happen, it wouldn't have happened.

Then again, I'm agnostic, and never believed in your god in the first place. No need to start now, I've managed the last 60 years without her.

[Byte1]

4.5 million people left their jobs in November alone . Labor shortages
in healthcare will force the governors of many states including Florida to shut down
Overcrowding in hospitals the Governor has no control over . Pediatrics seeing a very large surge . The unvaccinated are causing hospitals to fill up . 85 % of Covid hospitalizations are unvaccinated. 95 % of Covid patients on Ventilators are unvaccinated.
The state of affairs will shut states down
not what the governor decides ., He doesn’t have any control over hospitals filling up , employees leaving their jobs and
Staff vaccinated getting sick and staff unvaccinated to get deathly sick from Covid .

And Chicken Little screamed "The sky is falling, the sky is falling."
Grab your arm full of TP folks, and stock up on Spam. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[La lamy]

It's a good reminder that even vaccinated, one can get sick. I must admit I had the time of my life dancing to Blue Stone Circle on New Year's and although I tried, there wasn't always social distancing happening. I certainly don't want to be a burden on the medical scene, so I will continue to try to avoid getting sick.

[La lamy]

It's a good reminder that even vaccinated, one can get sick. I must admit I had the time of my life dancing to Blue Stone Circle on New Year's and although I tried, there wasn't always social distancing happening. I certainly don't want to be a burden on the medical scene, so I will continue to try to avoid getting sick.

And to address the OP's concern about lockdowns, I don't think that will happen in TV.

[Dana1963]

What is remarkable is these type of threads are most often started by users who have had accounts for 7-10 years and never made a previous post and after the post never return. Seems way to coincidental as there are dozens of these over a year ALWAYS topics that will obviously start long drawn out threads. The OP joined TOTV 10 years ago and his (her) only 2 posts were yesterday. If it swims like a fish it's fishy.
I think it’s the moderators starting these threads otherwise it would be a lot of posts from people that don’t know how to use the internet search engine, it would all be about dog poop, landscaper recommendations, etc..

[golfnut]

We all must rely on personal choice. Just because someone says it’s nothing to worry about may not be taking your best interest. I never follow the crowd.

I too rarely follow the crowd, we err on the side of caution. We're lucky, we have a motorhome and it's easy to get away for a week or three, we recently took a couple trips, one to the Keys and then another to the Miami/Homestead area.

[OhioBuckeye]

I had this Omicron, I am fully vaccinated and 68 years old. It was like a mild cold. This variant isn't causing those who were vaccinated to be admitted to the hospital. I don't know where the OP went through a lockdown but we only kind of had one for one month the first year. DeSantis is not going to lock down the state for a glorified cold.

Pauld315, I agree but I think that law will have come from someone higher up than him!

[Janet1946]

I agree
I used to think our health experts knew what they were doing and now I think they don't really know what is going on and are grasping at straws

and many of those SELF-PROCLAIMED medical EXPERTS have totally different and contradictory views

Back when this virus started it was all about clean surfaces masks and testing.

We waited for the vaccines as we were told that the vaccines were the way to go and when they first came out people thought that was the end of the virus as we would have some form of herd immunity as well

We soon we found out that vaccines sort of worked but not the way THE EXPERTS thought they would work...soon a 2nd shot was needed and now a booster and then maybe another booster? YET MORE AND MORE people got the Virus many of which were vaccinated with a booster.

but even with all of that we are now being told that while its good it does NOT really vaccinate you against the virus but maybe it makes the new virus like the flu ?

Testing has turned into a joke with a ton of different EXPERT opinions

Once considered the best way to go by the experts

now it seems that testing provides results that are confusing and doesn't really protect the folks who tested negative as they might get it an hour later.

Biden said he would 500 million test kits by Mid Jan...will that help ?

and where will he get them

as I believe Abbot makes the most reliable test kit and they can only make a small fraction of that amount

So yes I was a BELIEVER in the EXPERTS at the beginning but not any longer

I remember (way back lol) when everyone was making cloth masks. Now, we're told that . . . no, don't wear cloth masks. They're worthless. Wear KN95 or surgical masks. I still believe in the experts: they probably know more than most. But I'm no longer sure they know much more.

[EdFNJ]

I remember (way back lol) when everyone was making cloth masks. Now, we're told that . . . no, don't wear cloth masks. They're worthless. Wear KN95 or surgical masks. I still believe in the experts: they probably know more than most. But I'm no longer sure they know much more. It's called LEARNING. As science (sorry folks, science really does exist) learns more they have to adapt to it by making changes. As for cloth masks they were always deemed bad. That has been said for 2 years. However as time and LEARNING marches on they are able to refine their recommendations. Sometimes the recommendations were made due to shortages so the first responders could get their proper PPE first and some due to lack of knowledge at the time. If science didn't "learn as it went along" we'd be stuck in the dark ages. Yes, it is confusing and often aggravating, but if learning didn't continue folks would still be drinking bleach and gargling mouthwash and dancing around a fire pit swinging garlic on a rope to end this. :)

Speaking of masks. There is a good chance yours and many others "KN95 or N95" masks are counterfeit on top of everything else and really just a little better than a cloth mask. If you don't know will it still hurt you?
Counterfeit Respirators / Misrepresentation of NIOSH-Approval | NPPTL | NIOSH | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/usernotices/counterfeitResp.html)

[Jacob85]

I was under the impression comments that are political are not allowed. Is that correct?

[JMintzer]

It's called LEARNING. As science (sorry folks, science really does exist) learns more they have to adapt to it by making changes. As for cloth masks they were always deemed bad. That has been said for 2 years. However as time and LEARNING marches on they are able to refine their recommendations. Sometimes the recommendations were made due to shortages so the first responders could get their proper PPE first and some due to lack of knowledge at the time. If science didn't "learn as it went along" we'd be stuck in the dark ages. Yes, it is confusing and often aggravating, but if learning didn't continue folks would still be drinking bleach and gargling mouthwash and dancing around a fire pit swinging garlic on a rope to end this. :)

Tis a shame you didn't learn that no one ever suggested "drinking bleach"...

And no, cloth masks are not "always deemed bad" and were most certainly recommended by the "experts"...

Fauci first told us that we didn't need masks (that was to ensure that peons didn't clean out the supply needed for medical staff's PPE). Then, he said that cloth masks were adequate. He wore his cloth "Washington Nationals" mask (and still does to this day) quite often...

Now, they tell us that cloth masks are useless (something many of us knew 2 years ago)...

So, lying to us about masks in the beginning was good.

So, to sum up, Yes, we've learned things. BUT... We've also been lied to, multiple times...

And you wonder why there is so much distrust...

[Papa_lecki]

I think it’s the moderators starting these threads otherwise it would be a lot of posts from people that don’t know how to use the internet search engine, it would all be about dog poop, landscaper recommendations, etc..

Absolutely. This forum is great for things like installing pools, restaurants, solar tubes, etc - things actually related to the Villages, the homes, living here.

These threads get hundreds of comments, keeping TOTV interactive and good for advertisers.

[haysus7]

There won't be a lockdown in Florida.
There was never an imposed lock down

[EdFNJ]

Tis a shame you didn't learn that no one ever suggested "drinking bleach"...

And no, cloth masks are not "always deemed bad" and were most certainly recommended by the "experts"...

Fauci first told us that we didn't need masks (that was to ensure that peons didn't clean out the supply needed for medical staff's PPE). Then, he said that cloth masks were adequate. He wore his cloth "Washington Nationals" mask (and still does to this day) quite often...

Now, they tell us that cloth masks are useless (something many of us knew 2 years ago)...

So, lying to us about masks in the beginning was good.

So, to sum up, Yes, we've learned things. BUT... We've also been lied to, multiple times...

And you wonder why there is so much distrust...

Ahh yes, big shame on me. Sorry, noone said "drinking bleach" I will correct that (that would be dangerous, please don't try that at home) it was just "injecting disinfectant." Somewhat safer I guess but bleach does reside in the disinfectant category. I won't start with the masks again because it is destined to turn political which is a no-no here. Let's stick with God. More believable.

[Two Bills]

The tragedy of all this back and forth of different opinions, lies, conspiracy theories, information overload etc. is that if a seriously bad variant came along, and things really needed to be battened down, a large part of the population would completely ignore all advice?

Remember the story of the boy who cried wolf to often?

[JMintzer]

Ahh yes, big shame on me. Sorry, noone said "drinking bleach" I will correct that (that would be dangerous, please don't try that at home) it was just "injecting disinfectant." Somewhat safer I guess but bleach does reside in the disinfectant category. I won't start with the masks again because it is destined to turn political which is a no-no here. Let's stick with God. More believable.

There are many things categorized as "disinfectants". Are you suggesting that all of them were recommended to be injected? No? Then why bleach?

If you actually paid attention to the press conference, it was obvious to anyone that he was talking about "UV Light therapy", "Inhalation therapy" and "Hydrogen Peroxide" use...

But you be you...

[OhioBuckeye]

I was under the impression comments that are political are not allowed. Is that correct?

They’re not allowed if you use a politician’s name. Say what you want but don’t say name. You will be banned!

[davem4616]

I just continuing to play it safe...wife is still going through active cancer treatments, so we're not 'out and about' as much as we had been

IMHO all this news is just hype by the media...CDC keeps changing it's mind...it'll be back page news once the campaign trail ramps up

[Byte1]

Tis a shame you didn't learn that no one ever suggested "drinking bleach"...

And no, cloth masks are not "always deemed bad" and were most certainly recommended by the "experts"...

Fauci first told us that we didn't need masks (that was to ensure that peons didn't clean out the supply needed for medical staff's PPE). Then, he said that cloth masks were adequate. He wore his cloth "Washington Nationals" mask (and still does to this day) quite often...

Now, they tell us that cloth masks are useless (something many of us knew 2 years ago)...

So, lying to us about masks in the beginning was good.

So, to sum up, Yes, we've learned things. BUT... We've also been lied to, multiple times...

And you wonder why there is so much distrust...

Hmmm, my "cloth mask" protected me from the diabolical COVID for two years. That is all I have been wearing, IF I was in a location requiring a mask. SO, that means that the cloth mask is magic and will protect, right? Actually, the only time I wore a mask was in places that enforced mask wearing and in medical facilities that mandated mask wearing. I do know many folks that have had covid and they told me that they wore masks everywhere. I did not ask them if they had chosen paper over cloth.
I would choose a emoji that showed that I am being facetious, but our choices are limited.....:duck:
I am shocked to find out that we have been lied to.....:1rotfl: Say it isn't so....:icon_wink:

[Moderator]

They’re not allowed if you use a politician’s name. Say what you want but don’t say name. You will be banned!
Any reference to politics, government policies, racism, illegal immigrants, Nazis, name or no name, aside or direct, facetious or not, will incur a fraction and possible posting restriction.

[EdFNJ]

There are many things categorized as "disinfectants". Are you suggesting that all of them were recommended to be injected? No? Then why bleach?

If you actually paid attention to the press conference, it was obvious to anyone that he was talking about "UV Light therapy", "Inhalation therapy" and "Hydrogen Peroxide" use...

But you be you...
:1rotfl: Now you're just trolling me. Good one though. :coolsmiley: Please advise which ones you understood to be in the "disinfectant classification" that were approved to inject. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: Some people will definitely be some people! (Yes, avoiding direct name dropping). And those UV tubes ... OUCH! Gotta grease 'em up good first. :1rotfl::clap2::1rotfl::clap2:

[Wyseguy]

:1rotfl: Now you're just trolling me. Good one though. :coolsmiley: Please advise which ones you understood to be in the "disinfectant classification" that were approved to inject. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: Some people will definitely be some people! (Yes, avoiding direct name dropping). And those UV tubes ... OUCH! Gotta grease 'em up good first. :1rotfl::clap2::1rotfl::clap2:

UV Light is a type of intravenous therapy which is designed to introduce the energy of light directly into a person’s circulatory system. Individuals who are suffering from Lyme disease are most often recommended with this therapy as it supports red blood cell-oxygenation and promotes a healthy immune system.

[Calisport]

One of the reasons leaving California is the hysteria there. The retirement community's administration building just closed their only office for people to go in to solve issues or get ID cards, etc. even though everyone wears masks there. Imagine if TV closed their offices again due to covid

[EdFNJ]

UV Light is a type of intravenous therapy which is designed to introduce the energy of light directly into a person’s circulatory system. Individuals who are suffering from Lyme disease are most often recommended with this therapy as it supports red blood cell-oxygenation and promotes a healthy immune system. Obviously you didn't notice the 6 :1rotfl: but thanks for the explanation. :thumbup:

[coffeebean]

I'll do whatever it takes to keep myself and others safe. If it takes another shut down so be it.
Vaccinated people with normal immune systems are not being hospitalized with this latest variant. Actually, those same people were not being hospitalized with any of the variants. It is a much safer bet to be vaccinated to survive what ever is going to come our way with this damn virus that keeps mutating.

I will not wear a mask to protect those who will not protect themselves. I'm lucky to be fully vaccinated and boosted so I do not worry one bit about this virus. I only wear a mask indoors in health care facilities because they require everyone to wear a mask.

Anyone who can not get the vaccine for medical reasons, wear an N95 mask when out in public. Anyone who refuses to be vaccinated can wear an N95 mask when out in public. Don't expect me to protect you.

[coffeebean]

I'll do whatever it takes to keep myself and others safe. If it takes another shut down so be it.

Bite your tongue!!!!!

[NoMoSno]

Any reference to politics, government policies, racism, illegal immigrants, Nazis, name or no name, aside or direct, facetious or not, will incur a fraction and possible posting restriction.
So it's OK to reference legal immigrants?

[coffeebean]

~~~

[coffeebean]

Ahh yes, big shame on me. Sorry, noone said "drinking bleach" I will correct that (that would be dangerous, please don't try that at home) it was just "injecting disinfectant." Somewhat safer I guess but bleach does reside in the disinfectant category. I won't start with the masks again because it is destined to turn political which is a no-no here. Let's stick with God. More believable.
Not to me!

[JMintzer]

:1rotfl: Now you're just trolling me. Good one though. :coolsmiley: Please advise which ones you understood to be in the "disinfectant classification" that were approved to inject. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: Some people will definitely be some people! (Yes, avoiding direct name dropping). And those UV tubes ... OUCH! Gotta grease 'em up good first. :1rotfl::clap2::1rotfl::clap2:

"You're just trolling me", said the "Drink Bleach" troll...

I've already explained it to you. Unfortunately, I can't "understand" it for you...

[JMintzer]

UV Light is a type of intravenous therapy which is designed to introduce the energy of light directly into a person’s circulatory system. Individuals who are suffering from Lyme disease are most often recommended with this therapy as it supports red blood cell-oxygenation and promotes a healthy immune system.

Thank you for the more complete description. Sadly, it won't matter a whit...

[JMintzer]

Watch again. He was asking about disinfectant being injected. That was a very sad moment for him.

President Trump claims injecting people with disinfectant could treat coronavirus - YouTube (https://youtu.be/33QdTOyXz3w)

NOT BLEACH!!! Did you miss the description of Intravenous UV light?

THAT is a DISINFECTANT!

[JMintzer]

You must have missed the moderator's memo.
Or do you get a pass from them?

Infractions are not known to the public... Ask me how I know... :icon_wink:

[EdFNJ]

"You're just trolling me", said the "Drink Bleach" troll...

I've already explained it to you. Unfortunately, I can't "understand" it for you...

:coolsmiley: ;)

[NoMoSno]

Infractions are not known to the public... Ask me how I know... :icon_wink:
That's true.
If the post is allowed to remain we will know if the rules are applied fairly.

[JMintzer]

That's true.
If the post is allowed to remain we will know if the rules are applied fairly.

Only the most egregious post are removed (as it seems to me, but I don't know that for a fact).

So I can only assume (yeah, bad idea) that some posts may be left up, even though the poster has received an infraction/suspension...