Marginalizing other peoples' viewpoints!

[tpop1]

I have been a member of this board for 2 years now and have gained valuable insights on many subjects; insights based on input from you, the contributors. I’ve experienced great restaurants, golf cart service, plumbers, etc. by taking your recommendations.

Recently I have been feeling that contributors’ inputs are increasingly being minimized based on other poster s’ “world views.”

I highly doubt that a person would put information on this board about treatment in a restaurant, or how they feel about the church they attend, just for sport.

A person’s perceptions are very real to them despite what anyone else feels about their experiences at a location.

In fact I have seen the opinions of three posters, with essentially the same experience at one of the local restaurants, be marginalized by several posters because they did not experience it themselves and because they like the establishment.

I find it funny that some establishments (does Too Jays come to mind?) rarely get bad reviews here. Must be something to it?

I will continue to take your views into consideration when dining, purchasing, praying; any time I spend my time or money. You have yet to lead me wrong.
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[K9-Lovers]

:agree: and also think it is wonderful of those posters who go out of their way to investigate and discover more about a given situation, and share their newfound knowledge with us.

[Walt.]

Exactly right. When a particular restaurant shows up here (over and over again) for "less than terrific" food or service we get the usual folks jumping in with the line "they're really trying" or "I can't imagine that it actually happened." Somehow the poster is a liar or maybe just confused. Perhaps he's just not as sophisticated as the responders.

When someone posted about their car being vandalized it was implied (if not said outright) that the posting was probably not true... just the work of some trouble maker. Make sense to you?

There is a landscaper that's been beaten up on this sight. I guess all the customers got together and, for no reason whatsoever, decided to attack him. Hmmm... maybe they weren't customers... just competitiors!!

[graciegirl]

Exactly right. When a particular restaurant shows up here (over and over again) for "less than terrific" food or service we get the usual folks jumping in with the line "they're really trying" or "I can't imagine that it actually happened." Somehow the poster is a liar or maybe just confused. Perhaps he's just not as sophisticated as the responders.

When someone posted about their car being vandalized it was implied (if not said outright) that the posting was probably not true... just the work of some trouble maker. Make sense to you?

There is a landscaper that's been beaten up on this sight. I guess all the customers got together and, for no reason whatsoever, decided to attack him. Hmmm... maybe they weren't customers... just competitiors!!

I understand what you are saying and I well may be guilty of doing just that, i.e. not taking some posters seriously.

I feel that I react in that way when a person who is posting is very negative in her/his post and is not clear about the situation and appears to be really angry. My immediate response is..wait a minute, WHAT happened? How did it happen, and did it happen?

I have said that I think there is an ulterior motive for some negative posts. I really do believe that it must be difficult for other developers around The Villages to sell houses and it is possible they would like to take this place "down" a bit. I also think that some individuals who post once or twice with a very negative content may be "trolls" or people who just kind of enjoy "stirring things up". It has happened before and the administrators have banned them.

But I well could be insensitive and if it is so, I am sorry and will try to listen more with my heart.

[redwitch]

I don't think it has been deliberate attempts to marginalize -- more of it can't be true because I LOVE that place/person. It really is hard to believe that someone has had a bad experience when you have had nothing but good experiences at the same place. So, I do understand those who expressed doubt.

As to the doubts on the vandalism, there is a reason for it -- there have been posters who would post once about something negative and never post again. After some checking, it would was found out these posters were lying or exaggerating the incident. That makes it hard when a newbie posts about a negative experience. We can't help but wonder if it really occurred or is simply an attempt to make TV appear in a negative light.

Also, there are some who truly believe this is a paradise and find it difficult to believe that anything bad can happen here. They simply don't want their bubble burst.

Personally, I take most of what I see on the internet, hear on television or read in a newspaper with a large grain of salt. Whether we like it or not, everyone has some sort of an agenda, whether benign or malignant. I try to get the facts from several sources. So, if one person complains about a restaurant or a contractor, I'll consider the source (do I know that person, do I respect their opinion) and I'll consider my own personal experiences. However, if more than one makes similar complaints in a venue I basically trust, then I'll probably try to steer clear of that person or business.

[graciegirl]

I don't think it has been deliberate attempts to marginalize -- more of it can't be true because I LOVE that place/person. It really is hard to believe that someone has had a bad experience when you have had nothing but good experiences at the same place. So, I do understand those who expressed doubt.

As to the doubts on the vandalism, there is a reason for it -- there have been posters who would post once about something negative and never post again. After some checking, it would was found out these posters were lying or exaggerating the incident. That makes it hard when a newbie posts about a negative experience. We can't help but wonder if it really occurred or is simply an attempt to make TV appear in a negative light.

Also, there are some who truly believe this is a paradise and find it difficult to believe that anything bad can happen here. They simply don't want their bubble burst.

Personally, I take most of what I see on the internet, hear on television or read in a newspaper with a large grain of salt. Whether we like it or not, everyone has some sort of an agenda, whether benign or malignant. I try to get the facts from several sources. So, if one person complains about a restaurant or a contractor, I'll consider the source (do I know that person, do I respect their opinion) and I'll consider my own personal experiences. However, if more than one makes similar complaints in a venue I basically trust, then I'll probably try to steer clear of that person or business.

Well said Red. I agree. I was trying to say that but you are much more articulate.

[SALYBOW]

As a hospital chaplain I have come to realize that when people express their feelings, they are just that...feelings. Feelings are neither good or bad... they just are. When I hear someone express a negative view I realize it is their perception of a person, place, or situation. I can choose whether or not to make it mine, but would never do so without trying t out myself.
When I look at things this way I realize that a person should not be judged on a one time experience or comment. I would rather try to discover a trend in their thought. I have probably been guilty of being somewhat negative when I have been going through some rough times. When my 38 yo SIL was diagnosed with bladder cancer I really felt down. Those two kids don't need this kind of thing. Luckily, I have been able to place that situation at My Lord's feet. He is far better equipped to handle the situation than I am. I hope that if I expressed that sadness here, I will be forgiven, or at least forgotten. LOL
What I am trying to say, and possibly badly, it that we need to respect everyone's opinion even when we disagree with it. This freedom of self expression has been won for us by many hero's lives.

[eweissenbach]

It seems to me that internet chat boards in general bring out the combativeness in people. Often people say things in response to a post that they would never say face to face. Just check out the politics board if you want to see the extreme example of contenscious debate. If I disagree with someone I try to always frame my response in a way that shows respect for their viewpoint, but asking them to consider a different view. Unfortunately a fair number of people respond by putting down the other person and their viewpoint, which does not further understanding and creates enemies. This seems to be the way of our political discourse in this country, making compromise impossible as both sides insult, mock, and even slander the other as a matter of course. It is not only distasteful, but ultimately very harmful. JMHO. Ed

[beartrack]

Perception is one thing and factual is another, how do you decide between the two. For example, a person may be a retired CPA and is answering a question about tax's. Perception or factual? A retired doctor gives you some advice on a simple medical issue, perception or factual? In my own case, I have spent my entire adult life in the bar & restaurant business but, when I answer a question pertaining to that business, I get bombarded with perception from folks that have never been in the business. Consequently, I do not ever respond to restaurant threads (anymore). I will give you just one example, then you decide. Someone on this thread said "I never read any complaints about Toojays" I personally go to Toojays all the time but, I will never order my personal favorite, pastrami on rye. In New York where I was born. Toojays would last about a week before going out of business. Why you ask? Sandwiches in NY are piled high wth your chosen meat sliced thin and I mean piled on. In Toojays, they slice the meat then roll it up so that it gives the appearance of being piled high. The front of the sandwich looks good but, the back is empty. BOO, bad sandwich. Everything else that I have eaten at Toojays is good and service is good. I expect to be attacked by all of the Toojay fans out there but, please remember, I go there all the time. My point being, are my comments, Perception or fact? I am prepared to duck!!!!!!

[tpop1]

My point being, are my comments, Perception or fact? I am prepared to duck!!!!!!

Hi Bear,

No one who has eaten at a NY Deli like Carnaige, Stage, or others like them could take you to task for your commments - Less meat than a NY Deli and you know enough not to order it!!!

You were fair and factual.

My original post would refer to someone offended by your commments , denegrating your stance; inferring that you don't know what you are talking about, that it couldn't be so, and that you have some agenda!
It could happen here.
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[zcaveman]

I have been a member of this board for 2 years now and have gained valuable insights on many subjects; insights based on input from you, the contributors. I’ve experienced great restaurants, golf cart service, plumbers, etc. by taking your recommendations.

Recently I have been feeling that contributors’ inputs are increasingly being minimized based on other poster s’ “world views.”

I highly doubt that a person would put information on this board about treatment in a restaurant, or how they feel about the church they attend, just for sport.

A person’s perceptions are very real to them despite what anyone else feels about their experiences at a location.

In fact I have seen the opinions of three posters, with essentially the same experience at one of the local restaurants, be marginalized by several posters because they did not experience it themselves and because they like the establishment.

I find it funny that some establishments (does Too Jays come to mind?) rarely get bad reviews here. Must be something to it?

I will continue to take your views into consideration when dining, purchasing, praying; any time I spend my time or money. You have yet to lead me wrong.
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I agree with tpop1. Mst of the other posts on this thread (so far) go to show that you are trying to disprove what he just said.

You are defending the opposite of what he is trying to say and all he is trying to say is that people are posting a real situation and should be taken seriously. There is no need to defend the establishment, etc if you have NOT experienced the problem yourself. In some cases I have also experienced the same problem and have been rebuffed also. Makes no sense.

[LuvItHere]

I agree with the original post 100%.

Flatterers are suck-ups, to get admiration for themselves for being "so nice" ..... so "nice" that they ridicule and mock people bringing to light bad service or a dangerous situation--like the woman showering and seeing a man's hand pulling back the curtain in the sport pool shower/dressing rooms.

[golfnut]

I am totally with ya on this one Z, helllllo.....gn

[CaliforniaGirl]

At any given time, the number of guests visiting this board greatly exceeds the number of registered members. All of those "lurkers" are potential members who could be moved to join to share an experience (good or bad), make a recommendation, etc...but the general consensus here is that a first-time poster making any negative comment must have some ulterior motive. It was recently suggested that perhaps members' first 10 posts should be approved by admin. I personally find that idea offensive. Everyone posting on this board was a first-time poster at some point, and every first-time poster is entitled to express his/her opinion as long as the post follows forum guidelines. We all have a brain and hopefully the ability to separate the wheat from the chaff.
As for myself, I have been here for 7 years and did not know this forum existed until very recently. I have a small business, and a client of mine called me and told me that she recommended my services to a poster on this forum. She had been a long-time lurker and was moved to join to reply to the person requesting a service. I checked out this board and decided to join. A few days later admin posted a thread about people using the forum for free advertising by basically referring themselves, etc...I called my client and asked her to please not recommend me again, and told her why - you would have thought I shot her best friend, and she may never post again. I do not advertise here because my business is too small to support banner advertising, and what I do does not fall into any of the categories in the "Products and Services" section. Maybe I'll ask Talk Host to create a category for me :)
And I agree about TooJay's pastrami - I was with a group of friends at Perkins and we were talking about good pastrami, and I mentioned that I was pastrami-spoiled by the Golden Ox. A gentleman in the booth behind us turned around and said "I love that place! Best pastrami in the world!" The Golden Ox is a little dive joint in a very, very bad section of East Los Angeles, and the man was a retired LA cop. It is indeed a small world.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

CaliforniaGirl - To your point about business people using the forum to refer themselves: I don't really get the sense that scenario occurs too much IMHO. If I knew of some business that had done right by me, I wouldn't hesitate to refer a forum member to them if they were looking for that type of input. The admins shouldn't have a problem with that. I do, however, remember seeing a thread about members getting PMs directly from business people where the purpose of the PM was blatant advertising on their part. That would get under the admins' collective skin! :)

Bill

[graciegirl]

Back to the question of some posters not taking other posters seriously and respecting and believing what they post.

Some posters are very clear in their presentations of ideas, some posters are professional journalists. Most of us do not present our ideas with that much skill and of course the written word lacks the emphasis and clues that a speaker in person is able to convey.

We are all feeling our way around this place. Many are brand new and a considerable number are fairly new so when something comes up and is posted here that we have not experienced we try to understand and grasp it.

When I first began to post and before we had made a lifestyle visit there was a poster on this forum who told about rats being a nuisance at a neighborhood pool and if I remember correctly she also said that this pool had faded canvas on the chairs. I think she said that the owners didn't care about the upkeep of the pools north of 466. I can't say for sure, because I didn't know at that time where things were and which was 466 and which was 466A and which was the original section and which was newer, etc. etc.

I certainly had no idea about this, but I read what others said and tried to form an idea. I had no choice but to believe this poster and was fast changing my mind about being interested in coming down to see if we would want to live here.

I don't know even now if it was true or not, but I personally haven't experienced any rats at the pool or any faded pool chair covers.

We all try to figure out what a poster is meaning to say, and it isn't easy some times. We use the means at hand to try to understand and if we have read many posts from someone we kind of know where he/she is coming from.

I really think that most of us on here do our best.



And I am reposting what I thought then and what I still think now.

[Taj44]

"...I don't know even now if it was true or not, but..."

Gracie, there you go marginalizing again. I remember that post, several years ago, because I used to live in Ashland, and yes there were rats at the pool, and they had to send in an exterminator to get rid of them! It was the talk of our neighborhood. Just because you have not experienced them anywhere else does not mean it hasn't happened - it certainly isn't something The Villages is going to broadcast. And if I recall, it took a $40 million lawsuit to get the Developer to care about maintenance of recreational facilities north of 466.

The person who posted that was one of my neighbors, and she really took a beating from TOTV'ers for just telling the truth. She no longer participates on TOTV.

[Taltarzac]

There seemed to be rats around Lynnhaven/Ashland when they were grading the ground and putting in new homes just to the South of the Villages of Ashland and Lynnhaven. Quite a bit of dust too.

Critters have to go somewhere when their habitat gets ripped up.

Ashland and Lynnhaven are just south of the Southern Trace Shopping Center though. South of CR466.

[graciegirl]

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[nitehawk]

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what does that mean?????

[Taj44]

There seemed to be rats around Lynnhaven/Ashland when they were grading the ground and putting in new homes just to the South of the Villages of Ashland and Lynnhaven. Quite a bit of dust too.

Critters have to go somewhere when their habitat gets ripped up.

Ashland and Lynnhaven are just south of the Southern Trace Shopping Center though. South of CR466.

This isn't about the rats. Its about ToTV'er's at the time practically accusing my neighbor of lying about them being at the pool, when we, the neighbors, knew she was telling the truth. That is what is meant by marginalizing someone's views/posts. In her case, it got pretty extreme, what I'd call cyber-bullying. I don't blame her for not participating in this forum anymore.

[LI SNOWBIRD]

Well said, Graciegirl!

[LuvItHere]

this isn't about the rats. Its about totv'er's at the time practically accusing my neighbor of lying about them being at the pool, when we, the neighbors, knew she was telling the truth. That is what is meant by marginalizing someone's views/posts. In her case, it got pretty extreme, what i'd call cyber-bullying. I don't blame her for not participating in this forum anymore.

amen!!!!!!

[Ajack]

This isn't about the rats. Its about ToTV'er's at the time practically accusing my neighbor of lying about them being at the pool, when we, the neighbors, knew she was telling the truth. That is what is meant by marginalizing someone's views/posts. In her case, it got pretty extreme, what I'd call cyber-bullying. I don't blame her for not participating in this forum anymore.

Two wrongs do not make it right.

[Ajack]

Well said, Graciegirl!

Your alright in my book, Gracie!!!! :thumbup:

[Taj44]

Two wrongs do not make it right.

If there's a point here, I fail to see it.

[KayakerNC]

This isn't about the rats. Its about ToTV'er's at the time practically accusing my neighbor of lying about them being at the pool, when we, the neighbors, knew she was telling the truth. That is what is meant by marginalizing someone's views/posts. In her case, it got pretty extreme, what I'd call cyber-bullying. I don't blame her for not participating in this forum anymore.

Wow!
But you sure were quick to attack (marginalize) Gracie for saying she didn't know the truth in that situation. :ohdear:

[Taj44]

Wow!
But you sure were quick to attack (marginalize) Gracie for saying she didn't know the truth in that situation. :ohdear:

First of all, marginalize is not synonomous with "attack". Marginalize means to relegate (something, especially a topic or a group of people,) to the margins or to a lower limit i.e. render someone's comments or posts unimportant. I did not attack Gracie. I merely pointed out that her post regarding the rats, where she said "she had never seen any" implied that just because she hadn't seen any rats there weren't any, which marginalized (lowered in importance or value) my neighbor's original comment about rats, which all of us in the neighborhood knew was true. I expect Gracie did not do this on purpose - it was just one of those things, and I merely pointed it out.


Its very laudable of you to stand up for your friend. And I am standing up for my neighbor how was treated very poorly by people on TOTV when all she did was state the truth about rats at a pool. Let's move on. I am.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

:popcorn:

Bill

[Russ_Boston]

Good feedback everyone.

The one thing I like about these forums is that it makes it easy for a newcomer to TV to make new friends. I can easily pick out three or four just from this thread! :wave:

[taylor111947]

I was very glad to see this thread. I’m looking at a number of retirement communities and one of the reasons TV is at the top of my list is because of these forums. I feel as if it gives me an idea of what it’s like to live in TV.
However, I have been disappointed to see that many times when a poster has a negative comment the responding attitude seems to be “that’s never been my experience so it must not be true” – although not in those words and that might not have been the intent. The idea that posters are intimidated into not posting negative comments reflects poorly on the community.
I realize that to think that life in TV is perfect and that everyone is happy would be unrealistic. In some ways it’s more important for me to understand the things people don’t like about TV than it is to understand the things that people like. I feel as if I can make a more informed decision.
So, I hope people will continue to post about the good, the bad and the ugly without worrying about what others will say.

[champion6]

Well said, Taylor111947. :clap2:

[springfield]

When I posted the event about our car, it was just a statement about what happened. We found it slightly amusing that someone felt the need to remove what did not belong to them. From some of the responses to this thread, I am a bit disturbed that someone would think that I was "stirring up trouble" just because we were new. I agree with the beginning thread that sometimes a person's viewpoint is marginalized. We can disagree but hopefully with respect. I no longer bother to look at any of the political "discussions" because they are filled with personal attacks.

I agree with some of you that at times we say things because it is not face to face. Gracie Girl inviting us to her home,helped us realize that these are real humans with feelings, and individual life experiences.

[Taj44]

Good points, especially the need for respect. And thanks to Taylor who was saying basically the same thing. I too have been disturbed by the rush to judgement from those that immediately think "its the competition" or somone is "stirring up trouble", simply because they voice an experience or point of view that differs from another person's experience/perspective. In most cases, it just isn't so.

[K9-Lovers]

. . .I have been disappointed to see that many times when a poster has a negative comment the responding attitude seems to be “that’s never been my experience so it must not be true” – although not in those words and that might not have been the intent. The idea that posters are intimidated into not posting negative comments reflects poorly on the community.
I realize that to think that life in TV is perfect and that everyone is happy would be unrealistic. . . . So, I hope people will continue to post about the good, the bad and the ugly without worrying about what others will say.


Well said, Taylor. You've captured my sentiments with the above statements.

[Ajack]

Good points, especially the need for respect. And thanks to Taylor who was saying basically the same thing. I too have been disturbed by the rush to judgement from those that immediately think "its the competition" or somone is "stirring up trouble", simply because they voice an experience or point of view that differs from another person's experience/perspective. In most cases, it just isn't so.

I believe that most of the "doubters" concerns posters with very few posts. I think it is very rude and uncordial-like for new members to come here and immediately complain.
I compare coming to a forum as the same thing as moving to a new neighborhood. I would like to know my neighbors and be friends before I started "ranking" down the whole neighborhood.

Now, of course, I am a new member here, but I am a member of several forums and have thousands of posts in the last 7 years. Most forums are the same. They will take new members with a grain of salt before they can "trust" what they say. It is the same in real life, too, don't cha think?

[graciegirl]

I agree Taylor, particularly the good, the bad and the ugly.

Some folks rarely post anything about bad.

Some folks rarely post anything about good.

And some folks are just...

Nope, ain't gonna say that.

[Pturner]

I agree that a poster should not be marginalized for relating a negative experience and agree that such posts are helpful. I think though that we sometimes read too much into a response of a different color/ perspective.

Sometimes, "I'm surprised; we've always had a great experience there," just means, "I'm surprised; we've always had a great experience there." It doesn't mean, "I don't believe you" or "no one should believe you". Often, the intent isn't to marginalize the initial poster or to discount another poster or posters' experiences, but to let TOTV readers know that bad experiences from a particular vendor are not necessarily par for the course. When someone posts either a positive or negative experience with a particular vendor, I appreciate learning whether the experiences of others were similar.

Take for example a particular plumber. I think virtually 100 percent of posters who have used him have reported negative experiences. No way would I use him. Havana. More negative than positive posts. I might try it, but not with first-time out of town guests. Cane Gardens. A few negative experiences related but more positives than negatives and positive experiences myself. I'll go back. Glenview. Positive experiences myself, but several reports of negative ones. If I have a negative experience, I am more likely to speak to manager rather than chalking it up to just one bad deviation from norm.

The posts about negative experiences were helpful. The posts about positive experiences at the same establishment were helpful. Neither marginalizes the other. I just see more of the canvass.

Am I wrong?

[Taj44]

I believe that most of the "doubters" concerns posters with very few posts. I think it is very rude and uncordial-like for new members to come here and immediately complain.
I compare coming to a forum as the same thing as moving to a new neighborhood. I would like to know my neighbors and be friends before I started "ranking" down the whole neighborhood.

Now, of course, I am a new member here, but I am a member of several forums and have thousands of posts in the last 7 years. Most forums are the same. They will take new members with a grain of salt before they can "trust" what they say. It is the same in real life, too, don't cha think?

I agree. However, in the particular case of the rats at the Ashland pool, which I mentioned, our neighbor had many many posts, so she was not a newcomer. I do think there is a group of people who somehow take it personally if their neighborhood, The Villages, is found to be imperfect in any way, and will criticize anyone who mentions these imperfections. And there are others, I think, who may be connected with The Villages developer, who are trying to put The Villages in the best possible light, who will try to cast doubt on some posters. So I do agree that we need to keep all of this in perspective, and take with a grain of salt, as it were.

[graciegirl]

I agree that a poster should not be marginalized for relating a negative experience and agree that such posts are helpful. I think though that we sometimes read too much into a response of a different color/ perspective.

Sometimes, "I'm surprised; we've always had a great experience there," just means, "I'm surprised; we've always had a great experience there." It doesn't mean, "I don't believe you" or "no one should believe you". Often, the intent isn't to marginalize the initial poster or to discount another poster or posters' experiences, but to let TOTV readers know that bad experiences from a particular vendor are not necessarily par for the course. When someone posts either a positive or negative experience with a particular vendor, I appreciate learning whether the experiences of others were similar.

Take for example a particular plumber. I think virtually 100 percent of posters who have used him have reported negative experiences. No way would I use him. Havana. More negative than positive posts. I might try it, but not with first-time out of town guests. Cane Gardens. A few negative experiences related but more positives than negatives and positive experiences myself. I'll go back. Glenview. Positive experiences myself, but several reports of negative ones. If I have a negative experience, I am more likely to speak to manager rather than chalking it up to just one bad deviation from norm.

The posts about negative experiences were helpful. The posts about positive experiences at the same establishment were helpful. Neither marginalizes the other. I just see more of the canvass.

Am I wrong?

PTurner. It seems to me that you always are the voice of reason.

[tpop1]

Sometimes, "I'm surprised; we've always had a great experience there," just means, "I'm surprised; we've always had a great experience there." It doesn't mean, "I don't believe you" or "no one should believe you".

The posts about positive experiences at the same establishment were helpful. Neither marginalizes the other. I just see more of the canvass.

Am I wrong?

Some of the posts on the Glenview thread were helpful but others went well beyond "I'm surprised" & were denegrating. Some of these were the reason for this thread! For example:

"We have NEVER experienced any of the issues described! ...... If I asked, I'm sure I could get a whole lemon. Of course, we treat our Servers courteously and Tip well. Got to be more to this than meets the eye!"

"It never ceases to amaze how people get so lost in second hand gossip, rendering them incapable of independant thought or experience."

"I also think this is a personal issue with the original post. .......... AND we always tip 20% and more. Gee, maybe that's why we have such good service, Ya think?................."

"How true as some just can't stand to tell the true "facts" of an incident and are apt to embellish second hand info. Jmho"

[Russ_Boston]

Enough about how some reacted to the rats. That was over TWO years ago. We've all written things that we look back on with questions as to why we said that. Let's move on with lessons learned.

[Ajack]

Enough about how some reacted to the rats. That was over TWO years ago. We've all written things that we look back on with questions as to why we said that. Let's move on with lessons learned.

I AGREE ( What happened to my little "I agree" animation?)

[Bill-n-Brillo]

ajack - Here it is :agree:

Bill

[Ajack]

ajack - Here it is :agree:

Bill

Oh, You had him. ;)

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Oh, You had him. ;) Yeah - and you can have him!! Little sucker's been eatin' us out of house and home!!!! :a20:

Bill

[Pturner]

Oh, You had him. ;)

:laugh: :clap2:

[Bill-n-Brillo]

And don't get me started on all the OTHER things that little 'I Agree' guy has been doing here................ :ohdear:

Bill

[Ajack]

And don't get me started on all the OTHER things that little 'I Agree' guy has been doing here................ :ohdear:

Bill

My wife want to borrow him and attach him to my shirt pocket.

[KayakerNC]

My wife want to borrow him and attach him to my shirt pocket.
I keep this pin on my shirt....saves time.
http://www.bigcheesebadges.com/images/yes_dear.png

[Taj44]

Enough about how some reacted to the rats. That was over TWO years ago. We've all written things that we look back on with questions as to why we said that. Let's move on with lessons learned.

As I mentioned before, it was not about the rats. It was about courtesy to people who are posting. Your post is not courteous. As far as lessons learned, how about paying attention?

[Ajack]

As I mentioned before, it was not about the rats. It was about courtesy to people who are posting. Your post is not courteous. As far as lessons learned, how about paying attention?
I think a little courtesy would go a long way with everybody, huh?

[AnonChick]

Enough about how some reacted to the rats. That was over TWO years ago. We've all written things that we look back on with questions as to why we said that. Let's move on with lessons learned.

There were rats? You mean, this isn't Stepford? Thank god. I mean that most sincerely.

I'm sorry anyone had trouble with rodents, but I'm glad to know that this place has more than one perfect dimension. When I first heard about The Villages, and even during my first visit here, the images that came to mind were Logan's Run, 1984, and the Stepford Wives.

The idea of some artificial Utopia where people were forced, convinced, brainwashed, or otherwise manipulated into believing they had reached nirvana, when in fact there were vile things at work beneath the facade.

My second visit, which was last week, was more encouraging. Not because everyone is happy (I already knew that, THAT is what worried me so much) but because it wasn't perfect. Because it has flaws - nooks and crannies, imperfections that make the beauty even more beautiful. Because it's three dimensional. It has shadows that allow the brilliance to shimmer.

It's these nuances, these "less than perfect unpleasantries" that make a "development" a "community." If it was truly perfect, I would absolutely not want to live here. And this is what turned me off, and terrified me against living in the Villages. It's only upon my second visit, and reading the forums here, that I can reconsider my opinion.

There -is- imperfection. There ARE people who don't like this or that rule, who have problems with this or that policy, who think this or that decision shouldn't be made, and yes, even rats running around neighborhoods and patches of dead grass. These are what makes a place a HOME, rather than just a development.

[graciegirl]

There were rats? You mean, this isn't Stepford? Thank god. I mean that most sincerely.

I'm sorry anyone had trouble with rodents, but I'm glad to know that this place has more than one perfect dimension. When I first heard about The Villages, and even during my first visit here, the images that came to mind were Logan's Run, 1984, and the Stepford Wives.

The idea of some artificial Utopia where people were forced, convinced, brainwashed, or otherwise manipulated into believing they had reached nirvana, when in fact there were vile things at work beneath the facade.

My second visit, which was last week, was more encouraging. Not because everyone is happy (I already knew that, THAT is what worried me so much) but because it wasn't perfect. Because it has flaws - nooks and crannies, imperfections that make the beauty even more beautiful. Because it's three dimensional. It has shadows that allow the brilliance to shimmer.

It's these nuances, these "less than perfect unpleasantries" that make a "development" a "community." If it was truly perfect, I would absolutely not want to live here. And this is what turned me off, and terrified me against living in the Villages. It's only upon my second visit, and reading the forums here, that I can reconsider my opinion.

There -is- imperfection. There ARE people who don't like this or that rule, who have problems with this or that policy, who think this or that decision shouldn't be made, and yes, even rats running around neighborhoods and patches of dead grass. These are what makes a place a HOME, rather than just a development.

You have my attention. Come on now and tell us, are you a danged English major, 'cause you sure know how to say things nice. (?):)

[AnonChick]

I write a bit :)

[CaliforniaGirl]

When I first heard about The Villages, and even during my first visit here, the images that came to mind were Logan's Run, 1984, and the Stepford Wives.

I'm glad to know someone else felt the way I did. When my sister & BIL returned from their first Lifestyle visit 9 years ago and told me about this place, I said there had to be something seriously wrong, because it sounded too good to be true. Then they showed me the official Villages promotional video, and that confirmed it...too Stepford for me. And, lo and behold, here I am...with absolutely no regrets.

[Taj44]

I think a little courtesy would go a long way with everybody, huh?

You can try to bully me as much as you want. I'm not going anywhere.

[Ajack]

You can try to bully me as much as you want. I'm not going anywhere.

Where did that come from? All I said was a little courtesy would be nice from everyone. You sound paranoid.

By the way, I do not think that Graciegirl has a mean bone in her whole body.

[ricthemic]

I have been a member of this board for 2 years now and have gained valuable insights on many subjects; insights based on input from you, the contributors. I’ve experienced great restaurants, golf cart service, plumbers, etc. by taking your recommendations.

Recently I have been feeling that contributors’ inputs are increasingly being minimized based on other poster s’ “world views.”

I highly doubt that a person would put information on this board about treatment in a restaurant, or how they feel about the church they attend, just for sport.

A person’s perceptions are very real to them despite what anyone else feels about their experiences at a location.

In fact I have seen the opinions of three posters, with essentially the same experience at one of the local restaurants, be marginalized by several posters because they did not experience it themselves and because they like the establishment.

I find it funny that some establishments (does Too Jays come to mind?) rarely get bad reviews here. Must be something to it?

I will continue to take your views into consideration when dining, purchasing, praying; any time I spend my time or money. You have yet to lead me wrong.
_

I too was a member of this board for two years as well as a TV resident and I absolutely very rarely look at this board and or consider offering anything. I agree with your post completely i.e. check out my last post.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31176

I also remember another frequent and new resident poster who started a thread regarding his opinion of a neighborhood golf cart speed trap. He really got ripped. I don't believe he ever posted anything again.

ciao

[Bill-n-Brillo]

It's not necessarily what people sometimes say, it's the way it's expressed.......and interpreted. :wave:

Bill

[graciegirl]

I too was a member of this board for two years as well as a TV resident and I absolutely very rarely look at this board and or consider offering anything. I agree with your post completely i.e. check out my last post.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31176

I also remember another frequent and new resident poster who started a thread regarding his opinion of a neighborhood golf cart speed trap. He really got ripped. I don't believe he ever posted anything again.

ciao

I thought that thread was so funny rithcmic....AND just now I reread it and think you didn't mean it to be funny. Sometimes we read too fast and take a completely different meaning. I am sorry, I truly thought you were joking.

[Ajack]

It's not necessarily what people sometimes say, it's the way it's expressed.......and interpreted. :wave:

Bill

Wise words, my friend. ;)

[LuvItHere]

I like authenticity, not phoniness and flattery which is a prettied-up form of lying.

[eweissenbach]

I like authenticity, not phoniness and flattery which is a prettied-up form of lying.

One person's "authnticity", may be another person's insult or put-down. Part of the problem in this country's politics is the lack of respect for other peoples opinions and viewpoints. You call it phoniness and flattery, others may call in respect and politeness.

[bluedog103]

I thought that thread was so funny rithcmic....AND just now I reread it and think you didn't mean it to be funny. Sometimes we read too fast and take a completely different meaning. I am sorry, I truly thought you were joking.
I thought if was funny too. I didn't join in with the fun but I really got a kick out of reading the posts in that thread. Boy, did I ever miss that one!

[Ajack]

I thought that thread was so funny rithcmic....AND just now I reread it and think you didn't mean it to be funny. Sometimes we read too fast and take a completely different meaning. I am sorry, I truly thought you were joking.

I just read the whole thread and I thought he was joking, too.

[LuvItHere]

One person's "authnticity", may be another person's insult or put-down. Part of the problem in this country's politics is the lack of respect for other peoples opinions and viewpoints. You call it phoniness and flattery, others may call in respect and politeness.

I agree with you. Let me clarify: I call it "authentic" to admit there COULD be a flaw in TV such as: some rats, alligators, or a pervert entering the women's shower at a sport pool.

I call it phoniness to claim that such "flaws" could not possibly exist in the utopia of TV.

People come to this blog looking for realistic answers. If they can't take it that there are alligators, rats, or perverts in Florida, then moving here is probably not a good choice for them. Either way, they want realistic answers.

[eweissenbach]

I agree with you. Let me clarify: I call it "authentic" to admit there COULD be a flaw in TV such as: some rats, alligators, or a pervert entering the women's shower at a sport pool.

I call it phoniness to claim that such "flaws" could not possibly exist in the utopia of TV.

People come to this blog looking for realistic answers. If they can't take it that there are alligators, rats, or perverts in Florida, then moving here is probably not a good choice for them. Either way, they want realistic answers.

Absolutely!

[Pturner]

There were rats? You mean, this isn't Stepford? Thank god. I mean that most sincerely.

I'm sorry anyone had trouble with rodents, but I'm glad to know that this place has more than one perfect dimension. When I first heard about The Villages, and even during my first visit here, the images that came to mind were Logan's Run, 1984, and the Stepford Wives.

The idea of some artificial Utopia where people were forced, convinced, brainwashed, or otherwise manipulated into believing they had reached nirvana, when in fact there were vile things at work beneath the facade.

My second visit, which was last week, was more encouraging. Not because everyone is happy (I already knew that, THAT is what worried me so much) but because it wasn't perfect. Because it has flaws - nooks and crannies, imperfections that make the beauty even more beautiful. Because it's three dimensional. It has shadows that allow the brilliance to shimmer.

It's these nuances, these "less than perfect unpleasantries" that make a "development" a "community." If it was truly perfect, I would absolutely not want to live here. And this is what turned me off, and terrified me against living in the Villages. It's only upon my second visit, and reading the forums here, that I can reconsider my opinion.

There -is- imperfection. There ARE people who don't like this or that rule, who have problems with this or that policy, who think this or that decision shouldn't be made, and yes, even rats running around neighborhoods and patches of dead grass. These are what makes a place a HOME, rather than just a development.

:agree: Thanks, whoever let me borrow the guy.

AnonChick, you've hit on why some of us poke fun of ourselves and say that we drank the cool[refreshing unmentionable]aid. :wave:

[Bill-n-Brillo]

:agree: Thanks, whoever let me borrow the guy.

He's all yours now.................. :)

Bill

[Ajack]

He's all yours now.................. :)

Bill
:thumbup:

[AnonChick]

There's perverts here too? I guess I'd better get on the treadmill so my flab and sagging boobs don't smack the peeper in the face and cause him to keel over and break a hip then.

Hopefully I'll be in tip top shape by next year when I come down again so any voyeuristic geezer wanting to actually look in my direction will have something good to look at :)

Anna ONE anna TWO anna THREE knees up up up! Tighten those abba-dabbas ladies! WE GOT COMPANY COMIN!

[Bill-n-Brillo]

There's perverts here too? I guess I'd better get on the treadmill so my flab and sagging boobs don't smack the peeper in the face and cause him to keel over and break a hip then.

Hopefully I'll be in tip top shape by next year when I come down again so any voyeuristic geezer wanting to actually look in my direction will have something good to look at :)

Anna ONE anna TWO anna THREE knees up up up! Tighten those abba-dabbas ladies! WE GOT COMPANY COMIN!

You go, girl!!! Work it, baby!! :pepper2:

Bill

[Russ_Boston]

As I mentioned before, it was not about the rats. It was about courtesy to people who are posting. Your post is not courteous. As far as lessons learned, how about paying attention?

Rats or courtesy who cares? - the post is two years old - give it a rest.

This is a forum where ideas and concerns and praise and... are discussed. I don't feign my response. You're going to lecture me? Laughable!

It's posters like this that made me glad we moved the political thread out of sight.

Tony? Perhaps you could ban me? Tiresome, just tiresome.

[K9-Lovers]

I just finished reading ricthemic's old thread about magnetic effects on the brain. Very informative and I'm sure those posters who made such cute jokes afterwards took the idea seriously, even as they were making funny comments. While those people found something funny about the subject, it doesn't mean that they thought less of ricthemic or of the subject -- they were just having fun. They didn't attack ricthemic or the idea. I thought the thread was very funny, too, but after reading it, no longer will keep my magnetic marker in my hat! Maybe ricthemic should have joined in the fun instead of taking it so personally?

Sometimes serious subjects need a little humor to hold people's interest.:shrug:

[Ajack]

I just finished reading ricthemic's old thread about magnetic effects on the brain. Very informative and I'm sure those posters who made such cute jokes afterwards took the idea seriously, even as they were making funny comments. While those people found something funny about the subject, it doesn't mean that they thought less of ricthemic or of the subject -- they were just having fun. They didn't attack ricthemic or the idea. I thought the thread was very funny, too, but after reading it, no longer will keep my magnetic marker in my hat! Maybe ricthemic should have joined in the fun instead of taking it so personally?

Sometimes serious subjects need a little humor to hold people's interest.:shrug:

Agree. Just a little fun at nobody's expense.

[LuvItHere]

There's perverts here too? I guess I'd better get on the treadmill so my flab and sagging boobs don't smack the peeper in the face and cause him to keel over and break a hip then.

Hopefully I'll be in tip top shape by next year when I come down again so any voyeuristic geezer wanting to actually look in my direction will have something good to look at :)

Anna ONE anna TWO anna THREE knees up up up! Tighten those abba-dabbas ladies! WE GOT COMPANY COMIN!

I love it!!!!

Now isn't THIS more interesting than "everyone and everything is PERFECT" in TV????

[Pturner]

I love it!!!!

Now isn't THIS more interesting than "everyone and everything is PERFECT" in TV????

Um... the cool refreshing drink is great too.

It's a beautiful day in The Villages.:MOJE_whot:

[Ajack]

Came down here on the 16th of this month, drank the Kool aid and bought a CYV 3 days later. Keep the cold ones coming!!! :beer3:

[Indydealmaker]

I too was a member of this board for two years as well as a TV resident and I absolutely very rarely look at this board and or consider offering anything. I agree with your post completely i.e. check out my last post.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31176

I also remember another frequent and new resident poster who started a thread regarding his opinion of a neighborhood golf cart speed trap. He really got ripped. I don't believe he ever posted anything again.

ciao

Forum Anonymity, like liquor, erases inhibitions, erodes good judgement and, all too often, blurs civility. Thank God for the occasional interventionist.

[thistrucksforyou]

perception is one thing and factual is another, how do you decide between the two. For example, a person may be a retired cpa and is answering a question about tax's. Perception or factual? A retired doctor gives you some advice on a simple medical issue, perception or factual? In my own case, i have spent my entire adult life in the bar & restaurant business but, when i answer a question pertaining to that business, i get bombarded with perception from folks that have never been in the business. Consequently, i do not ever respond to restaurant threads (anymore). I will give you just one example, then you decide. Someone on this thread said "i never read any complaints about toojays" i personally go to toojays all the time but, i will never order my personal favorite, pastrami on rye. In new york where i was born. Toojays would last about a week before going out of business. Why you ask? Sandwiches in ny are piled high wth your chosen meat sliced thin and i mean piled on. In toojays, they slice the meat then roll it up so that it gives the appearance of being piled high. The front of the sandwich looks good but, the back is empty. Boo, bad sandwich. Everything else that i have eaten at toojays is good and service is good. I expect to be attacked by all of the toojay fans out there but, please remember, i go there all the time. My point being, are my comments, perception or fact? I am prepared to duck!!!!!!

very well said !

[jebartle]

It seems to me that internet chat boards in general bring out the combativeness in people. Often people say things in response to a post that they would never say face to face. Just check out the politics board if you want to see the extreme example of contenscious debate. If I disagree with someone I try to always frame my response in a way that shows respect for their viewpoint, but asking them to consider a different view. Unfortunately a fair number of people respond by putting down the other person and their viewpoint, which does not further understanding and creates enemies. This seems to be the way of our political discourse in this country, making compromise impossible as both sides insult, mock, and even slander the other as a matter of course. It is not only distasteful, but ultimately very harmful. JMHO. Ed

I couold not agree with you MORE!!!!

[jebartle]

I keep this pin on my shirt....saves time.
http://www.bigcheesebadges.com/images/yes_dear.png

I'd like to borrow that one....You are a hoot!

[graciegirl]

I'd like to borrow that one....You are a hoot!

Nice, funny and well spoken, that Kayaker!

[downeaster]

It seems to me that internet chat boards in general bring out the combativeness in people. Often people say things in response to a post that they would never say face to face. Just check out the politics board if you want to see the extreme example of contenscious debate. If I disagree with someone I try to always frame my response in a way that shows respect for their viewpoint, but asking them to consider a different view. Unfortunately a fair number of people respond by putting down the other person and their viewpoint, which does not further understanding and creates enemies. This seems to be the way of our political discourse in this country, making compromise impossible as both sides insult, mock, and even slander the other as a matter of course. It is not only distasteful, but ultimately very harmful. JMHO. Ed

I couldn't agree more, Ed.

[tpop1]

I have been a member of this board for 2 years now and have gained valuable insights on many subjects; insights based on input from you, the contributors. I’ve experienced great restaurants, golf cart service, plumbers, etc. by taking your recommendations.

Recently I have been feeling that contributors’ inputs are increasingly being minimized based on other poster s’ “world views.”

I highly doubt that a person would put information on this board about treatment in a restaurant, or how they feel about the church they attend, just for sport.

A person’s perceptions are very real to them despite what anyone else feels about their experiences at a location.

In fact I have seen the opinions of three posters, with essentially the same experience at one of the local restaurants, be marginalized by several posters because they did not experience it themselves and because they like the establishment.

I find it funny that some establishments (does Too Jays come to mind?) rarely get bad reviews here. Must be something to it?

I will continue to take your views into consideration when dining, purchasing, praying; any time I spend my time or money. You have yet to lead me wrong.
_

I posted this 1 1/2 years ago and find myself coming back to this board less than ever because of posts with attitudes, such as expressed here originally.

[graciegirl]

.. I always agree with tpop.

[mgjim]

Being a Minnesota Twins' fan, it's really hard for me to agree with a Yankee...but I'll make an exception in this case.

[swimdawg]

As a hospital chaplain I have come to realize that when people express their feelings, they are just that...feelings. Feelings are neither good or bad... they just are. When I hear someone express a negative view I realize it is their perception of a person, place, or situation. I can choose whether or not to make it mine, but would never do so without trying t out myself.
When I look at things this way I realize that a person should not be judged on a one time experience or comment. I would rather try to discover a trend in their thought. I have probably been guilty of being somewhat negative when I have been going through some rough times. When my 38 yo SIL was diagnosed with bladder cancer I really felt down. Those two kids don't need this kind of thing. Luckily, I have been able to place that situation at My Lord's feet. He is far better equipped to handle the situation than I am. I hope that if I expressed that sadness here, I will be forgiven, or at least forgotten. LOL
What I am trying to say, and possibly badly, it that we need to respect everyone's opinion even when we disagree with it. This freedom of self expression has been won for us by many hero's lives.

I was not a member of TOTV when this post was written. It was beautifully written.

I have gone thru and read every single post on this thread. The bottom line is that the posters on this forum really haven't changed that much. The positive, uplifting posters with a sense of humor are still the same. The negative posters are still the same. And Bill is still eating popcorn. There are posters I wasn't familiar with....and now there are some new interesting posters.

I am curious as to WHY this thread was resurrected?

I digress. SalyBow....I treasure what you wrote. RESPECT is so very important. You win the SWIMDAWG Post of the Day Award. It's a little late in coming. Congratulations!

[2BNTV]

I have been a member of this board for 2 years now and have gained valuable insights on many subjects; insights based on input from you, the contributors. I’ve experienced great restaurants, golf cart service, plumbers, etc. by taking your recommendations.

Recently I have been feeling that contributors’ inputs are increasingly being minimized based on other poster s’ “world views.”

I highly doubt that a person would put information on this board about treatment in a restaurant, or how they feel about the church they attend, just for sport.

A person’s perceptions are very real to them despite what anyone else feels about their experiences at a location.

In fact I have seen the opinions of three posters, with essentially the same experience at one of the local restaurants, be marginalized by several posters because they did not experience it themselves and because they like the establishment.

I find it funny that some establishments (does Too Jays come to mind?) rarely get bad reviews here. Must be something to it?

I will continue to take your views into consideration when dining, purchasing, praying; any time I spend my time or money. You have yet to lead me wrong.
_

As a hospital chaplain I have come to realize that when people express their feelings, they are just that...feelings. Feelings are neither good or bad... they just are. When I hear someone express a negative view I realize it is their perception of a person, place, or situation. I can choose whether or not to make it mine, but would never do so without trying t out myself.
When I look at things this way I realize that a person should not be judged on a one time experience or comment. I would rather try to discover a trend in their thought. I have probably been guilty of being somewhat negative when I have been going through some rough times. When my 38 yo SIL was diagnosed with bladder cancer I really felt down. Those two kids don't need this kind of thing. Luckily, I have been able to place that situation at My Lord's feet. He is far better equipped to handle the situation than I am. I hope that if I expressed that sadness here, I will be forgiven, or at least forgotten. LOL
What I am trying to say, and possibly badly, it that we need to respect everyone's opinion even when we disagree with it. This freedom of self expression has been won for us by many hero's lives.

It seems to me that internet chat boards in general bring out the combativeness in people. Often people say things in response to a post that they would never say face to face. Just check out the politics board if you want to see the extreme example of contenscious debate. If I disagree with someone I try to always frame my response in a way that shows respect for their viewpoint, but asking them to consider a different view. Unfortunately a fair number of people respond by putting down the other person and their viewpoint, which does not further understanding and creates enemies. This seems to be the way of our political discourse in this country, making compromise impossible as both sides insult, mock, and even slander the other as a matter of course. It is not only distasteful, but ultimately very harmful. JMHO. Ed

:agree: We should all try to "agree to disagree respectfully".

Somethings are lost when we communicate in this forum as I always try to fully express my thoughts before hitting the submit button. We all have bad days. Putting ourselves in others shoes would help to help understand their position on things/events, etc.

[CaptJohn]

I am curious as to WHY this thread was resurrected?



I like these old threads being bumped for whatever reason as I would have not found or read it otherwise and it helps a newer member to learn more of the history for a better overall perspective.

[Larry Wilson]

Oh the nastiness of some people.

[Pathel]

Oh the nastiness of some people.

That's our Larry! Always so positive, upbeat and happy.

[rubicon]

As a hospital chaplain I have come to realize that when people express their feelings, they are just that...feelings. Feelings are neither good or bad... they just are. When I hear someone express a negative view I realize it is their perception of a person, place, or situation. I can choose whether or not to make it mine, but would never do so without trying t out myself.
When I look at things this way I realize that a person should not be judged on a one time experience or comment. I would rather try to discover a trend in their thought. I have probably been guilty of being somewhat negative when I have been going through some rough times. When my 38 yo SIL was diagnosed with bladder cancer I really felt down. Those two kids don't need this kind of thing. Luckily, I have been able to place that situation at My Lord's feet. He is far better equipped to handle the situation than I am. I hope that if I expressed that sadness here, I will be forgiven, or at least forgotten. LOL
What I am trying to say, and possibly badly, it that we need to respect everyone's opinion even when we disagree with it. This freedom of self expression has been won for us by many hero's lives.

SALYBOW You need to finish one sentence. "Feelings are neither good or bad..they just are" ...with "but how you react to those feelings".

I believe the OP was making that point.

Graciegirl is right in her response. Far too many of us take what someone says as truth. It may not be because they did lie, exaggerated, acted out emotionally/implusively or simply were factually incorrect for a number of reasons.


We simply do not know. The classic Who What When and How help sort these things out in our minds but as the OP in dicated we ought to give an individual the benefit of the doubt. and if we can't then perhaps remain silient on the issue

[skyguy79]

The classic Who What When and How help sort these things out in our minds but as the OP in dicated we ought to give an individual the benefit of the doubt. and if we can't then perhaps remain silient on the issueWhoops-a-daisy! What happened to the "Where" in that classic phrase. Is it in the Witness Protection Program?

http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/628580421/BilderHomepage.jpg
"I'll find that "Where" if it's
the last think I'll do!"
Inspector Pawzoo!

[2BNTV]

Whoops-a-daisy! What happened to the "Where" in that classic phrase. Is it in the Witness Protection Program?

http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/628580421/BilderHomepage.jpg
"I'll find that "Where" if it's
the last think I'll do!"
Inspector Pawzoo!

Sky: You are a hoot.

"Who", is on first.

"What", is on second.

"Where", is playing right field?

Just kidding. :jester:

[graciegirl]

Sky: You are a hoot.

"Who", is on first.

"What", is on second.

"Where", is playing right field?

Just kidding. :jester:

Then there is Moe, Curly and LARRY.

[Larry Wilson]

That's our Larry! Always so positive, upbeat and happy.

Thanks. You're right. Beautiful weather, great friends, fun things to do and many ways to help others.


I only wish I saw less bashing on here. I really don't know why I bother to post. But to be quite honest I came to the villages in 2004 and have watched this board since it started. (only checking in once in awhile). It has had a ton of meanness and has driven many people to stop posting or never post. Maybe that comes with people hiding their identity. At the same time it has many many wonderful posters.

I wish everyone a great night. And I really mean that.

[lightworker888]

when my husband and I are dealing with people whose views differ from ours. Whoever thinks of it first reminds the other one that this person is doing the best that s/he can given their history, energy available at the moment, circumstance, knowledge they have etc. and that if we had the same input as her/him that we would be doing the same thing. (I know that may be a big jump for many people!) It's similar to "there but for the grace of God, go I". It really has helped us in many situations to be more understanding and less defensive about our views.

Another good question that we got from a trainer was " What presuppositions must that person have to lead to that conclusion." That has often been useful as the person was usually just missing some info and jumping to a conclusion from a picture they were creating their own history and from limited input. In fact in one course we learned that 80% of our conclusions come from our history and only 10% from the information. At that rate it's a miracle we can communicate clearly at all, let alone understand the person enough to make a judgement call.

LW888

[Pathel]

Thanks. You're right. Beautiful weather, great friends, fun things to do and many ways to help others.


I only wish I saw less bashing on here. I really don't know why I bother to post. But to be quite honest I came to the villages in 2004 and have watched this board since it started. (only checking in once in awhile). It has had a ton of meanness and has driven many people to stop posting or never post. Maybe that comes with people hiding their identity. At the same time it has many many wonderful posters.

I wish everyone a great night. And I really mean that.

And we wish you a great night, Lar. And we really mean that.

You're such a joy to play Adv Water Volleyball with.

Peace.

[The Village Girl]

I only wish I saw less bashing on here. I really don't know why I bother to post.

Is someone bashing you? Do tell who it is?

Do you want I should call Guido? :boxing2:

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Is someone bashing you? Do tell who it is?

Do you want I should call Guido? :boxing2:

Guido? Would that be.......(wait for it).......Guido from Toledo???? :shocked:

:pepper2: :popcorn:

Bill :)

[graciegirl]

Is he wearin' his .................TUXEDO?

[angiefox10]

Isn't he in charge of the...... LIDO?????

[golf4me]

Naw. ...That's Danny DiVito

[swimdawg]

Isn't he in charge of the...... LIDO?????

Guido you say? I know his brother....Vido Eppolido

Great guy.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Guido you say? I know his brother....Vido Eppolido

Great guy.

Yep!! He lives just down the road..............in.................Oviedo!!

Bill :)

[swimdawg]

If there's a point here, I fail to see it.

Well.......I think Taj may be right.

Perhaps she knows Guido?

(Oh just realized she was talking about something from over a year ago. So she really doesn't know Guido, I guess)

[graciegirl]

I posted this 1 1/2 years ago and find myself coming back to this board less than ever because of posts with attitudes, such as expressed here originally.

Tpop. Are you speaking particularly about the recent thread about the new restaurant, Luigino's? Or about some other subject? I am not sure what you were trying to say and about what subject. We can't all agree on every subject.

This thread has a lot of truly mean posts on it and also the attempts by some people to diffuse the meaness by a little levity or changing the subject.

We are all just ordinary folks with ordinary hearts and ordinary sensitivities. We all lose patience, we all have our passions and our hot buttons and we all are right some of the time and wrong some of the time. We all have bad days filled with worry about other issues.

We just can't lose sight of the fact that this is the fourth quarter of our lives. We really shouldn't be wasting it.

Tomorrow is going to be another beautiful day in The Villages.

[graciegirl]

tpop. Are you speaking particularly about the recent thread about the new restaurant, luigino's? Or about some other subject? I am not sure what you were trying to say and about what subject. We can't all agree on every subject.

This thread has a lot of truly mean posts on it and also the attempts by some people to diffuse the meaness by a little levity or changing the subject.

We are all just ordinary folks with ordinary hearts and ordinary sensitivities. We all lose patience, we all have our passions and our hot buttons and we all are right some of the time and wrong some of the time. We all have bad days filled with worry about other issues.

We just can't lose sight of the fact that this is the fourth quarter of our lives. We really shouldn't be wasting it.

Tomorrow is going to be another beautiful day in the villages.


well said!

[tpop1]

I am curious as to WHY this thread was resurrected?


A few days ago I was looking at the posts and someone posted a thread, as many others have in similar situations, asking about the medivac helicopter taking someone away.

I usually think people are expressing concern over injured parties and / or trying to understand a traumatic situation; don't think it's done to be nosy.

The first response to the original poster was, IMHO, sarcastic without good reason. It put me off and prompted me to think back on the reasons I wrote the original post and bring it back.

This stuff has gotten real old!!!

[TOTV Team]

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[skyguy79]

Is someone bashing you? Do tell who it is?

Do you want I should call Guido? :boxing2:My cousin Sammy the Shoe get's released next week. If he can be of your service, feel free to avail yourself of it!

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Sammy the Shoe
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[swimdawg]

my cousin sammy the shoe get's released next week. If he can be of your service, feel free to avail yourself of it!

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sammy the shoe
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Who let the DAWGS out????

[skyguy79]

Who let the DAWGS out???? ♪ Who! Who... who... who-who let the dawgs out... ♫
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http://www.allpest.com/wot/smileys/hehehehehe.gif

[swimdawg]

♪ Who! Who... who... who-who let the dawgs out... ♫
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http://www.allpest.com/wot/smileys/hehehehehe.gif

Guilty as charged!

[graciegirl]

I posted this 1 1/2 years ago and find myself coming back to this board less than ever because of posts with attitudes, such as expressed here originally.

What if you just absolutely don't agree with the poster, Tpop?

What if you think they are misinformed, overreacting, or posting information that is incorrect. Is that still diminishing the poster? Or marginalizing the poster? We can't agree all of the time, all of us, on everything.

I don't agree on here sometimes with people I just love and completely respect.

[Russ_Boston]

What if you just absolutely don't agree with the poster, Tpop?

What if you think they are misinformed, overreacting, or posting information that is incorrect. Is that still diminishing the poster? Or marginalizing the poster? We can't agree all of the time, all of us, on everything.

I don't agree on here sometimes with people I just love and completely respect.

Well said Gracie - Only 500 more posts and you get a prize!

[JoeC1947]

What if you just absolutely don't agree with the poster, Tpop?

What if you think they are misinformed, overreacting, or posting information that is incorrect. Is that still diminishing the poster? Or marginalizing the poster? We can't agree all of the time, all of us, on everything.

I don't agree on here sometimes with people I just love and completely respect.

I know that yesterday was Easter, but why would you want to bring this thread back from the dead?

[looneycat]

I know that yesterday was Easter, but why would you want to bring this thread back from the dead?

none of you know what you're talking about!
why are you wasting our time!

:loco::1rotfl::MOJE_whot:

[graciegirl]

I know that yesterday was Easter, but why would you want to bring this thread back from the dead?

Someone sent a PM to me about my posts on the situation of Sumterplace. They felt that I was marginalizing the posts of the people who feel that they were lied to about the property abutting the assisted living place.

So.......that is why.

[JoeC1947]

Someone sent a PM to me about my posts on the situation of Sumterplace. They felt that I was marginalizing the posts of the people who feel that they were lied to about the property abutting the assisted living place.

So.......that is why.

I guess I would have simply PM'ed them back but thanks for explaining.

[quill]

This whole thread is an example of me posting a simple thing like do you want a COSTCO and giving people a means to possibility get one here. I was then informed by several people why that would never happen. Some said they had taken my suggestion. I did not ask for inputs as to whether or not it is is possible and frankly I do not even know if it will. I even put in a post in the thread that said I do not care about your negative opinion and it still continued. Some opinions about why or why not something will happen have nothing to do with an action to try and accomplish something. Why did The Villages ask what businesses we would like in the area, to include COSTCO. Did you write them and tell them that it will not happen. People have way to much time on their hands if they comment on every single thing said here. This used to be very informative and helpful. I would still like to see a COSTCO here.

[CaptJohn]

Personally, I take most of what I see on the internet, hear on television or read in a newspaper with a large grain of salt. Whether we like it or not, everyone has some sort of an agenda, whether benign or malignant. I try to get the facts from several sources. So, if one person complains about a restaurant or a contractor, I'll consider the source (do I know that person, do I respect their opinion) and I'll consider my own personal experiences. However, if more than one makes similar complaints in a venue I basically trust, then I'll probably try to steer clear of that person or business.

Me too! :laugh:

[skyguy79]

This whole thread is an example of me posting a simple thing like do you want a COSTCO and giving people a means to possibility get one here. I was then informed by several people why that would never happen. Some said they had taken my suggestion. I did not ask for inputs as to whether or not it is is possible and frankly I do not even know if it will. I even put in a post in the thread that said I do not care about your negative opinion and it still continued. Some opinions about why or why not something will happen have nothing to do with an action to try and accomplish something. Why did The Villages ask what businesses we would like in the area, to include COSTCO. Did you write them and tell them that it will not happen. People have way to much time on their hands if they comment on every single thing said here. This used to be very informative and helpful. I would still like to see a COSTCO here.... it still is and will always be despite those who chide others on what they post and how they think! I recently started a post asking for specific information and clarifying what I wasn't looking for. The responses never addressed what I was looking for and all of them addressed what I wasn't looking for. Did I chide them on what they posted? No! I thanked them for their input and simply stated that I was still looking for answers to my question.

[rubicon]

This whole thread is an example of me posting a simple thing like do you want a COSTCO and giving people a means to possibility get one here. I was then informed by several people why that would never happen. Some said they had taken my suggestion. I did not ask for inputs as to whether or not it is is possible and frankly I do not even know if it will. I even put in a post in the thread that said I do not care about your negative opinion and it still continued. Some opinions about why or why not something will happen have nothing to do with an action to try and accomplish something. Why did The Villages ask what businesses we would like in the area, to include COSTCO. Did you write them and tell them that it will not happen. People have way to much time on their hands if they comment on every single thing said here. This used to be very informative and helpful. I would still like to see a COSTCO here.

Hi quill: There is a simple solution to the above-mentioned "state of affairs"

"don't look back".

Personal Best Regards:

Rubicon

[skyguy79]

Hi quill: There is a simple solution to the above-mentioned "state of affairs"

"don't look back".

Personal Best Regards:

RubiconAh, maybe they've already met the... aah... Rubicon? (pardon the pun) :p

[quill]

Rubicon you make my point, another obtuse response that I do not even know what it means. Look back at what? I was trying to get a movement going like was done for Trader Joes and it failed, because I was told by all the all knowing folks on the forum why it would not work. I am not looking back, I simply use my attempt at COSTCO as an example. I gave it a shot and got what I got. How many of you that are always so critical of others posts will actually make a difference to change things? A good example would be have you contacted you rep about the Oaks park funding? For all of you on a fixed income as many claim you are this is a big deal. The comment that this forum is not like it used to be comes up every single time this forum is talked about and I am not the one bringing it up. I am done with this thread. It is a nose on the front of your face thing and many of you can not see it.

[Bogie Shooter]

128 posts on this thread. Posting here without reading all the posts is meaningless. This will go on and on with out a conclusion.
Why do people drag up these old posts anyway?? If you have new thought why not start a new thread?

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Passin' it on down to ya, Bogie............ :popcorn:

Bill :)

[JoeC1947]

128 posts on this thread. Posting here without reading all the posts is meaningless. This will go on and on with out a conclusion.
Why do people drag up these old posts anyway?? If you have new thought why not start a new thread?

Maybe this will help. It's from Graciegirl.

"Someone sent a PM to me about my posts on the situation of Sumterplace. They felt that I was marginalizing the posts of the people who feel that they were lied to about the property abutting the assisted living place.

So.......that is why. "