Fox or coyote

[alemorkam]

A pair of young animals in The Villages.

[larbud]

A pair of young animals in The Villages.
Yote .

[larbud]

A pair of young animals in The Villages.
Fox

[fdpaq0580]

Fox

Comparing both pictures, the face/head look different, as does body shape, leg and tail. OP, imho, photographed young coyotes. Keep your cats in doors and small dogs on short leash when out and about if you love them.

[Arctic Fox]

Comparing both pictures, the face/head look different, as does body shape, leg and tail. OP, imho, photographed young coyotes.

Agreed. Tail not bushy enough for a fox.

[fdpaq0580]

Agreed. Tail not bushy enough for a fox.

And who would know better than the Arctic Fox himself.
👍👍👍

[triflex]

Coyote. We have them out here in Fenney by the dozens. I play coyote howls on my bluetooth speaker to fire them up sometimes. Here is a video I got of one on a camera i have out back that was made yesterday.

Coyote video: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (https://imgur.com/a/uFZ3L7C)

[bilcon]

Your neighbor with pets must love you. Do you also put out food for the birds?

[triflex]

Yes and moose meat.

Your neighbor with pets must love you. Do you also put out food for the birds?

[Boomer]

Thanks, alemorkam, not only for the picture but for bringing up the topic.

As an earlier poster here said — be careful about your pets.

Coyotes are highly intelligent. They have moved into every state and every kind of neighborhood. (Wile E. Coyote made them look stupid. They most certainly are not stupid.)

A few years ago, in TV, there was coverage of pets having been grabbed by coyotes. One of the reports was of a coyote that had to have been in wait, knowing exactly what time a little dog would be let out each night. It was routine. Sounded likely Recon Coyote had it figured out.

Now, if you think that sweet little dog was a victim of coincidence and that coyotes don’t wear watches, think again.

If you have a dog, that dog knows the schedule. Our dog Annie would tell us when it was time for her chewable and, I guess, delicious arthritis medicine. Farm dogs know what time to bring in the cattle.

Coyotes are Canis latrans (means “barking dog” — they are the most vocal ones in the family.) Your pet is Canis familiaras. Same family. But Uncle Coyote is not welcome at your dogs’ social events.

And, right now, it is coyote mating season so they can be really brazen.

Then there will be pups. The male actually hangs around and brings dinner home for a while. (Pets can be a potluck dish for a coyote.)

And so……if you don’t know much about coyotes, you could do a little homework if you want to know more. They are fascinating creatures. . .

Respect their intelligence and their habits. And get your head around learning to live with them because they are everywhere and not going anywhere. (And if there is anybody who is even remotely thinking about feeding them or trying to bring them in closer — that person needs to get a grip on reality.)

And please, please, don’t start in talking about shooting coyotes. (That happened here in an old thread about coyotes — but it was just the usual talk — it never happened for real — that I know of.)

Just what we need, some trigger-happy, Wannabe Dead-Eye Dick Villager with a brand new gun, trying to pick off a coyote between houses. Geez. . .

And, besides, that would not be good for property values. Nobody wants to buy a house in The Village of Ricochet.

Beep-Beep Boomer

[Frank GSDO]

A pair of young animals in The Villages.

They don't look "55" to me. They must be visiting the grandparents.

[JMintzer]

A few years ago, in TV, there was coverage of pets having been grabbed by coyotes. One of the reports was of a coyote that had to have been in wait, knowing exactly what time a little dog would be let out each night. It was routine. Sounded likely Recon Coyote had it figured out.

Now, if you think that sweet little dog was a victim of coincidence and that coyotes don’t wear watches, think again.

If you have a dog, that dog knows the schedule. Our dog Annie would tell us when it was time for her chewable and, I guess, delicious arthritis medicine. Farm dogs know what time to bring in the cattle.

They say animals (especially dogs) can "smell" time...

Our pup comes out to the living room, right about 9:00, every night. She'll either ring the bell we have hanging on the back door, or stand in front of the television, and stare at me. It's time for her last "trip to the loo" for the evening. You can set you watch by it...

[Topspinmo]

Thanks, alemorkam, not only for the picture but for bringing up the topic.

As an earlier poster here said — be careful about your pets.

Coyotes are highly intelligent. They have moved into every state and every kind of neighborhood. (Wile E. Coyote made them look stupid. They most certainly are not stupid.)

A few years ago, in TV, there was coverage of pets having been grabbed by coyotes. One of the reports was of a coyote that had to have been in wait, knowing exactly what time a little dog would be let out each night. It was routine. Sounded likely Recon Coyote had it figured out.

Now, if you think that sweet little dog was a victim of coincidence and that coyotes don’t wear watches, think again.

If you have a dog, that dog knows the schedule. Our dog Annie would tell us when it was time for her chewable and, I guess, delicious arthritis medicine. Farm dogs know what time to bring in the cattle.

Coyotes are Canis latrans (means “barking dog” — they are the most vocal ones in the family.) Your pet is Canis familiaras. Same family. But Uncle Coyote is not welcome at your dogs’ social events.

And, right now, it is coyote mating season so they can be really brazen.

Then there will be pups. The male actually hangs around and brings dinner home for a while. (Pets can be a potluck dish for a coyote.)

And so……if you don’t know much about coyotes, you could do a little homework if you want to know more. They are fascinating creatures. . .

Respect their intelligence and their habits. And get your head around learning to live with them because they are everywhere and not going anywhere. (And if there is anybody who is even remotely thinking about feeding them or trying to bring them in closer — that person needs to get a grip on reality.)

And please, please, don’t start in talking about shooting coyotes. (That happened here in an old thread about coyotes — but it was just the usual talk — it never happened for real — that I know of.)

Just what we need, some trigger-happy, Wannabe Dead-Eye Dick Villager with a brand new gun, trying to pick off a coyote between houses. Geez. . .

And, besides, that would not be good for property values. Nobody wants to buy a house in The Village of Ricochet.

Beep-Beep Boomer


Agree, and crows aren’t stupid either.

[lake5798]

A pair of young animals in The Villages.
Coyote

[triflex]

Pet owners should probably keep in mind that the wildlife is of much greater meaning to non-pet-owners and even many pet owners. We want the wildlife around and as close as nature allows.

Also, cats are the Snickers bar of nature.

No one should accuse someone of feeding wildlife when they themselves let a cat or small dog become fodder for wildlife. Cats are also notorious wildlife killers.

[Chi-Town]

I'm going with coyote

What is the Difference Between a Fox and a Coyote? – Animal Creative Facts (https://animalcreativefacts.com/coyote-vs-fox/)

[Nanbrands]

A pair of young animals in The Villages.

If you have a small dog and coyotes are nearby it could be wise to purchase a coyote vest for your dog. My friend & her husband invented them after a coyote came and snatched her dog from her as they were loading the dog into the car in Cali. Coyotes can be cunning, dangerous and quick. Nothing to mess with if you have a small fur baby. Just a suggestion if you have coyotes roaming nearby.

[Keith1911]

Another vote for Coyote

[Bellavita]

[QUOTE=alemorkam;2047926]A pair of young animals

does it matter? Both are carnivores

each can get a cat. A fox is small coyote like a German shepherd on the thin size can and will eat a small dog. With the expansion and growth many animals have nowhere to go. They will live where they can to survive

[ThirdOfFive]

#1: Coyotes
#2: Fox

Picture #1: the critters are far rangier-built, scrawny tails, generally scruffier-looking. The fox in Picture 2 is sleeker, built lower to the ground (foxes are a lot smaller than coyotes) with a far bushier tail. Also both of the animals in Picture # has a black mane along it's back. The animal in the second picture doesn't.

In any case, I'd be worried if the critters in either picture approaches anyone. Just read an article in the St. Paul Pioneer Press that America has had it's greatest outbreak of rabies cases in years, and both foxes and coyotes are known carriers of rabies.

Plus, none of the three animals are wearing a mask...

[flash4353]

Coyotes don't have bushy tails.

[jimkerr]

Coyote for sure.

[OhioBuckeye]

I would have to say coyotes, they’re pretty bold not like a fox very skiddish. When we lived in the Village of Charlotte I caught a fox curled up under our bushes in our very small back yard 2 days in a row. As soon as it saw me looking out the window at it, it was gone like a blurr! Never saw a Fox again but did see a couple of coyotes in the front of our house looking for food. Probably a stray cat. Be very protective of your pets because if you let them out alone very much, eventually they’ll be gone, unless unless you have a Pit Bull. Seriously!

[Warcats]

Coyote

[Proveone]

A pair of young animals in The Villages.
Fox!

[larbud]

fox!

not!

[davem4616]

could be a mix, as someone else pointed out the tail isn't big enough for a fox...but the reddish coloring makes me question if it's a pure coyote

[ElDiabloJoe]

I was running in a nature reserve area of a dense metropolitan area (Upper back bay, Newport Beach, CA) when I happened upon a lady walking two Labrador retrievers. One was being chased in circles around a large shrub / small tree on the ivy-covered slope of some millionaire's backyard.

That a coyote would take on an animal as big as a retriever while within 10 feet of not only another but the owner shows their boldness.

I stopped to assist and chucked a few rocks at the coyote. It begrudgingly sauntered (not easily deterred) off, but it stopped every 50 feet or so and looked back to see if it was out of my throwing arm's range or if it could go back to getting its Labrador for breakfast.

It is not just small pets one should worry about, it is also small children. Additionally, don't think your presence nearby will deter the coyote from taking either from you.

[DonnaNi4os]

No photo??? Where did you see them?

[1948JDG]

Could be a Coydog, a cross between a dog and coyote.

[jimjamuser]

Comparing both pictures, the face/head look different, as does body shape, leg and tail. OP, imho, photographed young coyotes. Keep your cats in doors and small dogs on short leash when out and about if you love them.
Adult coyotes have grabbed young human children out of strollers in L.A. Apparently, they lose their fear of humans when not in rural areas and hunted.

[jimjamuser]

Thanks, alemorkam, not only for the picture but for bringing up the topic.

As an earlier poster here said — be careful about your pets.

Coyotes are highly intelligent. They have moved into every state and every kind of neighborhood. (Wile E. Coyote made them look stupid. They most certainly are not stupid.)

A few years ago, in TV, there was coverage of pets having been grabbed by coyotes. One of the reports was of a coyote that had to have been in wait, knowing exactly what time a little dog would be let out each night. It was routine. Sounded likely Recon Coyote had it figured out.

Now, if you think that sweet little dog was a victim of coincidence and that coyotes don’t wear watches, think again.

If you have a dog, that dog knows the schedule. Our dog Annie would tell us when it was time for her chewable and, I guess, delicious arthritis medicine. Farm dogs know what time to bring in the cattle.

Coyotes are Canis latrans (means “barking dog” — they are the most vocal ones in the family.) Your pet is Canis familiaras. Same family. But Uncle Coyote is not welcome at your dogs’ social events.

And, right now, it is coyote mating season so they can be really brazen.

Then there will be pups. The male actually hangs around and brings dinner home for a while. (Pets can be a potluck dish for a coyote.)

And so……if you don’t know much about coyotes, you could do a little homework if you want to know more. They are fascinating creatures. . .

Respect their intelligence and their habits. And get your head around learning to live with them because they are everywhere and not going anywhere. (And if there is anybody who is even remotely thinking about feeding them or trying to bring them in closer — that person needs to get a grip on reality.)

And please, please, don’t start in talking about shooting coyotes. (That happened here in an old thread about coyotes — but it was just the usual talk — it never happened for real — that I know of.)

Just what we need, some trigger-happy, Wannabe Dead-Eye Dick Villager with a brand new gun, trying to pick off a coyote between houses. Geez. . .

And, besides, that would not be good for property values. Nobody wants to buy a house in The Village of Ricochet.

Beep-Beep Boomer
"like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind". Just a good one as a suggestion, but everyone should pick their own according to their personalities.

[jimjamuser]

Agree, and crows aren’t stupid either.
True. Many scientists believe that crows are the smartest and most social birds.

[triflex]

Coyotes are safe. I go out in the fields at night when I hear dozens of them barking to each other.

"Coyote attacks on people are very rare. More people are killed by errant golf balls and flying champagne corks each year than are <b>bitten</b> by coyotes". Only bitten - not killed.

Coyotes and people: What to know if you see or encounter a coyote | The Humane Society of the United States (https://www.humanesociety.org/resources/coyotes-people-encounters)

I'm more worried about surprising a trash panda. Raccoons and I have come unexpectedly nose-to-nose on several occasions.

I was running in a nature reserve area of a dense metropolitan area (Upper back bay, Newport Beach, CA) when I happened upon a lady walking two Labrador retrievers. One was being chased in circles around a large shrub / small tree on the ivy-covered slope of some millionaire's backyard.

That a coyote would take on an animal as big as a retriever while within 10 feet of not only another but the owner shows their boldness.

I stopped to assist and chucked a few rocks at the coyote. It begrudgingly sauntered (not easily deterred) off, but it stopped every 50 feet or so and looked back to see if it was out of my throwing arm's range or if it could go back to getting its Labrador for breakfast.

It is not just small pets one should worry about, it is also small children. Additionally, don't think your presence nearby will deter the coyote from taking either from you.

[jimjamuser]

Pet owners should probably keep in mind that the wildlife is of much greater meaning to non-pet-owners and even many pet owners. We want the wildlife around and as close as nature allows.

Also, cats are the Snickers bar of nature.

No one should accuse someone of feeding wildlife when they themselves let a cat or small dog become fodder for wildlife. Cats are also notorious wildlife killers.
Feeding wildlife should be outlawed. Both small birds and large geese and etc. LOVE bread, but it can get stuck in their throat (craw) ? Hunters should NOT be allowed to feed deer and bear and etc - that is BIG-TIME cheating. And tree stands for hunters should be outlawed because deer have ZERO natural enemies above them so they are helpless. REAL MEN (and women) and REAL HUNTERS practice "fair chase" and stay on the ground and do NOT do "cheap shots" like BAITING wildlife until they are REALLY "domestic life" animals. Show some sportsmanship for a change!

[jimjamuser]

If you have a small dog and coyotes are nearby it could be wise to purchase a coyote vest for your dog. My friend & her husband invented them after a coyote came and snatched her dog from her as they were loading the dog into the car in Cali. Coyotes can be cunning, dangerous and quick. Nothing to mess with if you have a small fur baby. Just a suggestion if you have coyotes roaming nearby.
How does the vest work? Is it bite-proof? Electric....I doubt. Has some special smell that is a deterrence? Has an automatic rail gun (Oh I have been watching too many "Expanse" episodes). Sorry!

[jimjamuser]

[QUOTE=alemorkam;2047926]A pair of young animals

does it matter? Both are carnivores

each can get a cat. A fox is small coyote like a German shepherd on the thin size can and will eat a small dog. With the expansion and growth many animals have nowhere to go. They will live where they can to survive
I could be wrong, but I believe that foxes are on the timid side and much, much smaller than a coyote.

[Wyseguy]

[QUOTE=jimjamuser;2048233]"like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind".


Like sands through the hourglass, so are the ... ?

[triflex]

No one has said they are feeding the wildlife in this thread. Unless they indicated they leave their pets free-roaming. THAT IS feeding the wildlife - YOUR PET.

Hunters actually use deer as a food source. So, I personally don't care about making up the odds for deer even.

Feeding wildlife should be outlawed. Both small birds and large geese and etc. LOVE bread, but it can get stuck in their throat (craw) ? Hunters should NOT be allowed to feed deer and bear and etc - that is BIG-TIME cheating. And tree stands for hunters should be outlawed because deer have ZERO natural enemies above them so they are helpless. REAL MEN (and women) and REAL HUNTERS practice "fair chase" and stay on the ground and do NOT do "cheap shots" like BAITING wildlife until they are REALLY "domestic life" animals. Show some sportsmanship for a change!

[triflex]

Here's a Florida Panter/Cougar eating a cat: Panther Cougar attacks and later kills a cat right on the front porch in South Florid - YouTube (https://youtu.be/af4nuBtvImo?t=16)

The guilty feeders of wildlife are usually pet owners.

[JMintzer]

[QUOTE=jimjamuser;2048233]"like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind".


Like sands through the hourglass, so are the ... ?

"Days of your Life"?

Whoa, mixing metaphors...:coolsmiley:

[jimjamuser]

I was running in a nature reserve area of a dense metropolitan area (Upper back bay, Newport Beach, CA) when I happened upon a lady walking two Labrador retrievers. One was being chased in circles around a large shrub / small tree on the ivy-covered slope of some millionaire's backyard.

That a coyote would take on an animal as big as a retriever while within 10 feet of not only another but the owner shows their boldness.

I stopped to assist and chucked a few rocks at the coyote. It begrudgingly sauntered (not easily deterred) off, but it stopped every 50 feet or so and looked back to see if it was out of my throwing arm's range or if it could go back to getting its Labrador for breakfast.

It is not just small pets one should worry about, it is also small children. Additionally, don't think your presence nearby will deter the coyote from taking either from you.
Agreed....about the small children.

[jimjamuser]

[QUOTE=jimjamuser;2048233]"like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind".


Like sands through the hourglass, so are the ... ?
Good one!

[jimjamuser]

No one has said they are feeding the wildlife in this thread. Unless they indicated they leave their pets free-roaming. THAT IS feeding the wildlife - YOUR PET.

Hunters actually use deer as a food source. So, I personally don't care about making up the odds for deer even.
Someone on page 1 talked about feeding wildlife. I quoted the message.

[jimjamuser]

No one has said they are feeding the wildlife in this thread. Unless they indicated they leave their pets free-roaming. THAT IS feeding the wildlife - YOUR PET.

Hunters actually use deer as a food source. So, I personally don't care about making up the odds for deer even.
Most hunters are hunting for sport and trophies. If you valued the deer meat...... versus the time spent in the woods hunting....then the hunters would be making about 25 cents per hour. In most eastern thick woods situations, most hunters go several years without bagging a deer. Most walk too fast and can't sit still. The baiting and tree stand method is cheating and IS more effective if they have no regard for sportsmanship and "fair chase" methods.

[Spalumbos62]

Agreed. Tail not bushy enough for a fox.

Very hard to tell, but I agree, coyote.

[larbud]

Most hunters are hunting for sport and trophies. If you valued the deer meat...... versus the time spent in the woods hunting....then the hunters would be making about 25 cents per hour. In most eastern thick woods situations, most hunters go several years without bagging a deer. Most walk too fast and can't sit still. The baiting and tree stand method is cheating and IS more effective if they have no regard for sportsmanship and "fair chase" methods.
So much “knowledge” available here.🤔

[ThirdOfFive]

could be a mix, as someone else pointed out the tail isn't big enough for a fox...but the reddish coloring makes me question if it's a pure coyote
Coyotes can be various colors, just like their bigger cousins the timberwolves. I saw a black one once.

Foxes (except for albinos which are very rare) almost always have the same coloring as the rest of their breed.

[JMintzer]

https://townsquare.media/site/696/files/2018/08/BC9FA622-FF9E-4328-942F-BD3A143B89AE.jpeg

[DaleDivine]

[QUOTE=alemorkam;2047926]A pair of young animals

does it matter? Both are carnivores

each can get a cat. A fox is small coyote like a German shepherd on the thin size can and will eat a small dog. With the expansion and growth many animals have nowhere to go. They will live where they can to survive

Not entirely true. There are hundreds of thousands of open wooded acres of land for them to live.
:ohdear::ohdear:

[DaleDivine]

Coyotes can be various colors, just like their bigger cousins the timberwolves. I saw a black one once.

Foxes (except for albinos which are very rare) almost always have the same coloring as the rest of their breed.

There are grey foxes (about the same color as a coyote) and there are red foxes.
:ho:

[DaleDivine]

I was playing Volusia one afternoon and on the 5th hole I walked down to the bushes to the right of the cart path. A coyote jumped up and ran over towards the fence going into the trash dump. It jumped the fence without any problem and scampered off to the dump area.
:shocked: :shocked:

[grandofgirls]

Trans-Caucasian fox

[JMintzer]

There are grey foxes (about the same color as a coyote) and there are red foxes.
:ho:

Someone ought to name some executive courses after them... :icon_wink:

[fdpaq0580]

https://townsquare.media/site/696/files/2018/08/BC9FA622-FF9E-4328-942F-BD3A143B89AE.jpeg

Thank you! The poster is priceless.
😂😂😂😂

[Wyseguy]

Coyotes can be various colors, just like their bigger cousins the timberwolves. I saw a black one once.

Foxes (except for albinos which are very rare) almost always have the same coloring as the rest of their breed.

In addition to albino, aren't there grey and red foxes.

[Woodbear]

So much “knowledge” available here.🤔

LOL I prefer the elevated blind. Somewhere I can put a portable heater and a nice comfy chair. Always need a reliable ATV around because when you bag-em I certainly do not want to drag-em.