COVID Case Update

[The Gazette]

As most Villagers know, The Villages spans through three different counties. Here are the number of new COVID cases as of Jan. 12, according to the CDC website. In Lake County, there have been 4,107 new cases over the last week. 190 of those cases were admitted to the hospital, and less than ten resulted

More... (https://www.gazettenewsthevillages.com/covid-case-update/)

[msilagy]

These counties are not all Village properties.

[Byte1]

I spent the whole day in the Villages hospital ER this week and only one person with Covid was there all day. They have a separate area for Covid patients in the ER waiting room. Just saying that there are times when I believe that the covid scare is greatly exaggerated.

[tmbozoki@gmail.com]

Shameful scare mongering by the media and sheep people easily corralled. Based on the aforementioned number 5% were hospitalized (no mention how long) and .002% death rate. Meaning you have 99.98% chance not to die! This is how media should report COVID, not just a grand total total cases with no qualifications is shameful.

People should educate themselves and stop listening to this media ratings whoring hysteria.

[nick demis]

Shameful scare mongering by the media and sheep people easily corralled. Based on the aforementioned number 5% were hospitalized (no mention how long) and .002% death rate. Meaning you have 99.98% chance not to die! This is how media should report COVID, not just a grand total total cases with no qualifications is shameful.

People should educate themselves and stop listening to this media ratings whoring hysteria.

If the media and CDC reported true useful facts, there would not be a terrified country. Why would they want that?

[golfing eagles]

Shameful scare mongering by the media and sheep people easily corralled. Based on the aforementioned number 5% were hospitalized (no mention how long) and .002% death rate. Meaning you have 99.98% chance not to die! This is how media should report COVID, not just a grand total total cases with no qualifications is shameful.

People should educate themselves and stop listening to this media ratings whoring hysteria.

Agree---here are the numbers from the article:

"As most Villagers know, The Villages spans through three different counties. Here are the number of new COVID cases as of Jan. 12, according to the CDC website.

In Lake County, there have been 4,107 new cases over the last week. 190 of those cases were admitted to the hospital, and less than ten resulted in death.

In Marion County, there have been 3,127 new cases. 178 of those cases were admitted to the hospital, and less than ten resulted in death.

In Sumter County, there have been 823 new cases. 50 of those cases were admitted to the hospital, and no deaths were reported."


Note that the majority of cases and hospitalizations and all of the deaths were in Lake and Marion Counties, of which The Villages compromises an insignificant number of the population. That brings us to 823 "cases" in Sumter County---a case being a positive test without regard to whether or not the person is sick. And then to 50 admitted to a hospital---whether because of or incidental to COVID. No need to hide under your bed yet, and another example of media hysteria.

[tklloop]

Really, those 800k people who have died from covid should stop scaring the rest of us! And the CDC should stop trying to help the helpless and braindead with facts & data!! whores

[tklloop]

Agree---here are the numbers from the article:

"As most Villagers know, The Villages spans through three different counties. Here are the number of new COVID cases as of Jan. 12, according to the CDC website.

In Lake County, there have been 4,107 new cases over the last week. 190 of those cases were admitted to the hospital, and less than ten resulted in death.

In Marion County, there have been 3,127 new cases. 178 of those cases were admitted to the hospital, and less than ten resulted in death.

In Sumter County, there have been 823 new cases. 50 of those cases were admitted to the hospital, and no deaths were reported."


Note that the majority of cases and hospitalizations and all of the deaths were in Lake and Marion Counties, of which The Villages compromises an insignificant number of the population. That brings us to 823 "cases" in Sumter County---a case being a positive test without regard to whether or not the person is sick. And then to 50 admitted to a hospital---whether because of or incidental to COVID. No need to hide under your bed yet, and another example of media hysteria.

How is it media hysteria when they post the facts & data?? It’s only hysteria when people decide what they want to do with the data. Don’t blame the messenger!!

[cafw1]

Thank you for updating it---I appreciate it. If you find out more statistics from the CDC please share. Thanks again.

[Papa_lecki]

///

[Malsua]

Really, those 800k people who have died from covid should stop scaring the rest of us! And the CDC should stop trying to help the helpless and braindead with facts & data!! whores

75% of the dead had 4 or more comorbidities. If you have hypertension, diabetes, CHF and are lugging around 40% extra body mass in fat, you're pretty likely to "catch" cardiac arrest to begin with. If you don't fit into that category, then yeah, they shouldn't be scaring you at all.

[billethkid]

How is it media hysteria when they post the facts & data?? It’s only hysteria when people decide what they want to do with the data. Don’t blame the messenger!!

Which are different every day depending on who is presenting.
Which are flip flopped every day depending on who is presenting.
Which have no base line for legitimate comparison.
Etc.
Etc.
Really!?

:icon_bored:

[Bill1701]

The experts think almost everyone in the USA will contact Covid sometime in the next year or two. Your chances of severe illness or death are very low if you are vaccinated.

[Bill14564]

Shameful scare mongering by the media and sheep people easily corralled. Based on the aforementioned number 5% were hospitalized (no mention how long) and .002% death rate. Meaning you have 99.98% chance not to die! This is how media should report COVID, not just a grand total total cases with no qualifications is shameful.

People should educate themselves and stop listening to this media ratings whoring hysteria.

??? Where in that article was the scare mongering and media ratings whoring?

Using the numbers in that paper the death rate was something less than 0.25% meaning you have something more than 99.75% chance not to die. BUT, that is a misuse of those numbers.

How many paragraphs should have been spent explaining that new cases *might* have gone into the hospital last week (more likely this week) but any deaths won't come for another couple of weeks? The fewer than 20 deaths weren't from the 8,057 new cases last week, those deaths were from the cases two or three weeks ago.

When the media tries to explain the data they are called fear mongering and ratings whoring. When they don't try to explain it not only are they still criticized plus people tend to misunderstand and misuse the data.

Still, these numbers appear to be relatively low and hopefully they will stay that way.

[Annie66]

Shameful scare mongering by the media and sheep people easily corralled. Based on the aforementioned number 5% were hospitalized (no mention how long) and .002% death rate. Meaning you have 99.98% chance not to die! This is how media should report COVID, not just a grand total total cases with no qualifications is shameful.

People should educate themselves and stop listening to this media ratings whoring hysteria.

Maybe I'm bit off base, but since when is simply stating the data without much comment scare mongering and shameful? I don't understand your comments.

[Marine1974]

I didn’t know hospitals starting reporting and giving out personal medical information on other patients. Did they tell everybody in the ER about your condition ? I thought Hippa was still a law .

[drducat]

Was Fauci correct when he said each positive test counts as a case? So if one person tests positive 10 time in 10 days that counts as 10 cases.........Each positive test = 1 case.....................wrong way to track....no wonder the data from the beginning up until now is garbage.

[ex34449]

Seriously, people still care about this thing? Mask up get sick, social distance get sick, mask up and social distance and still get sick. Shoot a social experiment in your arm on top of all or part of the previous and still get sick.
No one knows where this thing will be in 2 days much less 2 months or 2 years.

[Dana1963]

I didn’t know hospitals starting reporting and giving out personal medical information on other patients. Did they tell everybody in the ER about your condition ? I thought Hippa was still a law .
Some people make stuff up

[Marine1974]

Calling other Americans sheep isn’t that like bullying with a key pad ? Should not be allowed on TOTV .
The Covid cases reported are understated as many people with Covid
never get tested . Officials report the numbers are in reality double.

[ex34449]

Calling other Americans sheep isn’t that like bullying with a key pad

You're serious aren't you.

[dougjb]

We all share a social compact to care about our fellow human beings. We can either listen to the doctors and epidemiologists using science as their touchstone...or we can listen to the "experts" on TOTV who use....ummmm...their own twisted logic.

I think we can all agree that if one wished to play in traffic on I-4 during rush hour, it is your right to do so. But, does one have a right for those wishing to play on I-4 to drag others onto I-4? I think most of us would say, that is not your right to do so. So, if you are unvaccinated or unmasked, it is your right. But, you have no right to go about and infect others just like you have no right to pull others onto I-4 to play if that is what you want to do.

I think the President of France had it right. It is time to emmerder those who are unvaccinated or unmasked. That verb means to immerse in excrement.

It is time that the unvaccinated and unmasked stay home.

They made their choice. Now, be subject to the consequences.On the other hand, those who abide by the social compact to care for their fellow human beings by masking up and getting vaccinated should be allowed to play as much as they want.

This is a public health issue and those who want to belittle the numbers of Covid deaths or hospitalizations or illnesses need to be emmerder.

[Ptmckiou]

FACTS and DATA are NEVER fear mongering.

Fear mongering comes from YOUR perspective.

[cherylncliff]

Shameful scare mongering by the media and sheep people easily corralled. Based on the aforementioned number 5% were hospitalized (no mention how long) and .002% death rate. Meaning you have 99.98% chance not to die! This is how media should report COVID, not just a grand total total cases with no qualifications is shameful.

People should educate themselves and stop listening to this media ratings whoring hysteria.

You know, I am sure, that hospitalization lags case increases by several weeks and deaths lag behind hospitalizations by several weeks. Also, there are long term effects even if you were to recover. The article does not mention how many of the hospitalized were unvaccinated, but that would be a useful fact to have. This is not fear mongering , it is a reporting of facts so that we may be well informed and therefore make informed, intelligent decisions.

[billethkid]

FACTS and DATA are NEVER fear mongering.

Fear mongering comes from YOUR perspective.

Not really!!
However the minority report is duly noted!

[drducat]

Agree---here are the numbers from the article:

"As most Villagers know, The Villages spans through three different counties. Here are the number of new COVID cases as of Jan. 12, according to the CDC website.

In Lake County, there have been 4,107 new cases over the last week. 190 of those cases were admitted to the hospital, and less than ten resulted in death.

In Marion County, there have been 3,127 new cases. 178 of those cases were admitted to the hospital, and less than ten resulted in death.

In Sumter County, there have been 823 new cases. 50 of those cases were admitted to the hospital, and no deaths were reported."


Note that the majority of cases and hospitalizations and all of the deaths were in Lake and Marion Counties, of which The Villages compromises an insignificant number of the population. That brings us to 823 "cases" in Sumter County---a case being a positive test without regard to whether or not the person is sick. And then to 50 admitted to a hospital---whether because of or incidental to COVID. No need to hide under your bed yet, and another example of media hysteria.

We all share a social compact to care about our fellow human beings. We can either listen to the doctors and epidemiologists using science as their touchstone...or we can listen to the "experts" on TOTV who use....ummmm...their own twisted logic.

I think we can all agree that if one wished to play in traffic on I-4 during rush hour, it is your right to do so. But, does one have a right for those wishing to play on I-4 to drag others onto I-4? I think most of us would say, that is not your right to do so. So, if you are unvaccinated or unmasked, it is your right. But, you have no right to go about and infect others just like you have no right to pull others onto I-4 to play if that is what you want to do.

I think the President of France had it right. It is time to emmerder those who are unvaccinated or unmasked. That verb means to immerse in excrement.

It is time that the unvaccinated and unmasked stay home.

They made their choice. Now, be subject to the consequences.On the other hand, those who abide by the social compact to care for their fellow human beings by masking up and getting vaccinated should be allowed to play as much as they want.

This is a public health issue and those who want to belittle the numbers of Covid deaths or hospitalizations or illnesses need to be emmerder.

This latest variant is our ticket out of this...as long as they don't try another booster aimed at it...that will kill off any remaining chance of herd immunity...The reason for all the media hype on this right at this moment is the EUA is up Jan. 15....which means no more emergency use...bring on the lawyers...time to file your claims against the vaccine makers.

[golfing eagles]

How is it media hysteria when they post the facts & data?? It’s only hysteria when people decide what they want to do with the data. Don’t blame the messenger!!

It's media hysteria for several reasons, but the biggest is that they posted high numbers in Lake and Marion Counties as if that reflected the population of The Villages, which it does not. A media out could go as far as posting nothing but facts (like that would ever happen), but by choosing which facts they put out there they induce bias.

[golfing eagles]

We all share a social compact to care about our fellow human beings. We can either listen to the doctors and epidemiologists using science as their touchstone...or we can listen to the "experts" on TOTV who use....ummmm...their own twisted logic.

I think we can all agree that if one wished to play in traffic on I-4 during rush hour, it is your right to do so. But, does one have a right for those wishing to play on I-4 to drag others onto I-4? I think most of us would say, that is not your right to do so. So, if you are unvaccinated or unmasked, it is your right. But, you have no right to go about and infect others just like you have no right to pull others onto I-4 to play if that is what you want to do.

I think the President of France had it right. It is time to emmerder those who are unvaccinated or unmasked. That verb means to immerse in excrement.

It is time that the unvaccinated and unmasked stay home.

They made their choice. Now, be subject to the consequences.On the other hand, those who abide by the social compact to care for their fellow human beings by masking up and getting vaccinated should be allowed to play as much as they want.

This is a public health issue and those who want to belittle the numbers of Covid deaths or hospitalizations or illnesses need to be emmerder.

Some truth in that post, but in no way can anyone equate vaccination with "masking up"

[Cliff Fr]

Haven't you heard? It's been proven that vaccinated asymptomatic people can still spread the virus

[B-flat]

Shameful scare mongering by the media and sheep people easily corralled. Based on the aforementioned number 5% were hospitalized (no mention how long) and .002% death rate. Meaning you have 99.98% chance not to die! This is how media should report COVID, not just a grand total total cases with no qualifications is shameful.

People should educate themselves and stop listening to this media ratings whoring hysteria.

The fear mongering is by design!

[golfing eagles]

Haven't you heard? It's been proven that vaccinated asymptomatic people can still spread the virus

At a far, far reduced rate compared to symptomatic, unvaccinated people

[JMintzer]

Really, those 800k people who have died from covid should stop scaring the rest of us! And the CDC should stop trying to help the helpless and braindead with facts & data!! whores

From or with covid? The CDC is FINALLY differentiating between the two in order to inform the braindead...

[JMintzer]

Maybe I'm bit off base, but since when is simply stating the data without much comment scare mongering and shameful? I don't understand your comments.

It is when one cherry picks or distorts the data...

[jimjamuser]

I spent the whole day in the Villages hospital ER this week and only one person with Covid was there all day. They have a separate area for Covid patients in the ER waiting room. Just saying that there are times when I believe that the covid scare is greatly exaggerated.
Opinions are opinions, but facts are facts and over 800,000 US citizens have died from CV. And I know that some anti-vaxxers say that ONE motorcycle person died and was listed as a CV death. My opinion IS that it is like an urban legend. Because MANY expert Doctors state that CV deaths are UNDER-reported. Some die at home and are listed as "natural" causes. And there are probably other reasons for under-reporting. Early in the CV pandemic, a Florida administrator quit her job in protest of Florida's UNDER-reporting of all CV stats. That made all the news. It can likely be Googled.....if forgotten.

[Velvet]

Thank you, Gazette News. Each of us can draw whatever conclusion we want, but information is power. Ignorance leaves one to be easily manipulated.

[drducat]

Opinions are opinions, but facts are facts and over 800,000 US citizens have died from CV. And I know that some anti-vaxxers say that ONE motorcycle person died and was listed as a CV death. My opinion IS that it is like an urban legend. Because MANY expert Doctors state that CV deaths are UNDER-reported. Some die at home and are listed as "natural" causes. And there are probably other reasons for under-reporting. Early in the CV pandemic, a Florida administrator quit her job in protest of Florida's UNDER-reporting of all CV stats. That made all the news. It can likely be Googled.....if forgotten.

They have no idea how many died from Covid symptoms...never will the data is corrupt.

How many die from the flu each year...zero.....they all die from the symptoms and not the virus.

[Velvet]

They have no idea how many died from Covid symptoms...never will the data is corrupt.

How many die from the flu each year...zero.....they all die from the symptoms and not the virus.

Most of our knowledge is built on probabilities, and relativities. There are very few absolutes. Think quantum theory. Without these estimates we would still be in the dark ages.

[billethkid]

Remember that figures don't lie!

But liars figure!!........hence the problem!!!

[jimjamuser]

Shameful scare mongering by the media and sheep people easily corralled. Based on the aforementioned number 5% were hospitalized (no mention how long) and .002% death rate. Meaning you have 99.98% chance not to die! This is how media should report COVID, not just a grand total total cases with no qualifications is shameful.

People should educate themselves and stop listening to this media ratings whoring hysteria.
Dictators like Putin and Victor Orban and Hitler and Stalin from History ALL have as one of their EARLY steps to start their reign of oppression - the weakening and strangling off of legitimate patriotic, freedom-loving media reporters and TV personalities. It is a major building block of the house of the Dictator.
......Many people in the US have fallen prey to this type of misinformation - it is (likely) Russian or Chinese-originated
propaganda that gets MAGNIFIED and distributed by faux news sources and even darker misinformation channels. Does anyone REALLY believe that the incredible polarization in US society merely just HAPPENED over the recent span of say the last 6 years? NO! Russia tried the same thing in Germany and France with only limited success. They have tried it in The Ukraine for years and are now sinking their Russian Bear teeth into that country. And they are nipping at the heals of (the at least) 50% of US citizens. I don't know how to express it any clearer. The US Democracy has been Severely wounded. And those that knock the US LEGITiMATE news media are pouring SALT into those wounds. Be afraid, be VERY afraid!

[drducat]

Dictators like Putin and Victor Orban and Hitler and Stalin from History ALL have as one of their EARLY steps to start their reign of oppression - the weakening and strangling off of legitimate patriotic, freedom-loving media reporters and TV personalities. It is a major building block of the house of the Dictator.
......Many people in the US have fallen prey to this type of misinformation - it is (likely) Russian or Chinese-originated
propaganda that gets MAGNIFIED and distributed by faux news sources and even darker misinformation channels. Does anyone REALLY believe that the incredible polarization in US society merely just HAPPENED over the recent span of say the last 6 years? NO! Russia tried the same thing in Germany and France with only limited success. They have tried it in The Ukraine for years and are now sinking their Russian Bear teeth into that country. And they are nipping at the heals of (the at least) 50% of US citizens. I don't know how to express it any clearer. The US Democracy has been Severely wounded. And those that knock the US LEGITiMATE news media are pouring SALT into those wounds. Be afraid, be VERY afraid!

The US media has long ago left the room.....years ago........Project mockingbird....alive and well.

[jimjamuser]

??? Where in that article was the scare mongering and media ratings whoring?

Using the numbers in that paper the death rate was something less than 0.25% meaning you have something more than 99.75% chance not to die. BUT, that is a misuse of those numbers.

How many paragraphs should have been spent explaining that new cases *might* have gone into the hospital last week (more likely this week) but any deaths won't come for another couple of weeks? The fewer than 20 deaths weren't from the 8,057 new cases last week, those deaths were from the cases two or three weeks ago.

When the media tries to explain the data they are called fear mongering and ratings whoring. When they don't try to explain it not only are they still criticized plus people tend to misunderstand and misuse the data.

Still, these numbers appear to be relatively low and hopefully they will stay that way.
Many Doctors are now saying that the Omicron surge may ALREADY be DECREASING - or that it will begin in a few weeks with 1st cases and later hospitalizations and deaths beginning to decrease.
.....As to the media.......the legitimate ones (those around before about 1970 or you could say before RUSH ) - are NOT being alarmists. They are the factual TRUTH-tellers in a sea of misinformation and outright propaganda!

[jimjamuser]

Maybe I'm bit off base, but since when is simply stating the data without much comment scare mongering and shameful? I don't understand your comments.
The comments are designed to de-legitimize the media, which unfortunately for us (and the US) is an early step toward toppling any democracy. Check that out historically!

[jimjamuser]

Seriously, people still care about this thing? Mask up get sick, social distance get sick, mask up and social distance and still get sick. Shoot a social experiment in your arm on top of all or part of the previous and still get sick.
No one knows where this thing will be in 2 days much less 2 months or 2 years.
A negativity cake with an icing of misinformation!

[jimjamuser]

Calling other Americans sheep isn’t that like bullying with a key pad ? Should not be allowed on TOTV .
The Covid cases reported are understated as many people with Covid
never get tested . Officials report the numbers are in reality double.
Agreed. Thanks very much!

[drducat]

Since the pandemic is pretty much over....we now have something much worse which will be on shore soon and in time for fall.....Viral hemorrhagic fever...China has 75 million locked down right now and yet again are not giving details...This is like Ebola folks...very bad.

[golfing eagles]

Calling other Americans sheep isn’t that like bullying with a key pad ? Should not be allowed on TOTV .
The Covid cases reported are understated as many people with Covid
never get tested . Officials report the numbers are in reality double.

Or, since some people are getting tested 10+ times, the "cases" may be over reported. No way to know

[Byte1]

I didn’t know hospitals starting reporting and giving out personal medical information on other patients. Did they tell everybody in the ER about your condition ? I thought Hippa was still a law .

If you are referring to my post, there is a reply button that will allow a quote of my post to accompany your reply.
If you are replying to me, I did not say that anyone's condition was broadcast. I simply said that there is a segregated, partitioned area in the ER that is labeled and used for those that have or may have Covid. I also said that during the whole day that I waited, I only observed one person occupying that area. I don't believe I mentioned anything regarding "Hippa" so maybe your response was not to my post.
USMC68

[Boomer]

Haven't you heard? It's been proven that vaccinated asymptomatic people can still spread the virus

At a far, far reduced rate compared to symptomatic, unvaccinated people


Dr. golfing eagles, thank you for trying to provide a reality check. But those who grasp at straws will continue to dismiss reality and go on searching Facebook or wherever they get their “information” for things they can cling to in order to self-validate their refusal to vaccinate.

Meanwhile, my back-home area of Ohio has declared a state of emergency because the hospitals have so many patients very sick with Covid — almost all are unvaccinated.

I know one — a young man — who naively got caught up in that ongoing cause of his “freedom” to deny vaccination. And now he is in the hospital fighting Covid in a life or death battle. His family has been told it is likely that he will never be the same — if he survives, and his wife and kids and others who love him are collateral damage for his “cause.” (along with strangers who might need that ICU bed for a non-Covid reason)

On the other hand, I also know an 80 year-old with several co-morbidities who scared his friends and family when he was sick with Covid — for about 3 days — stayed home, felt really bad, but by the 5 day mark, he was back to his old self. He is vaccinated and boosted. (To me, that’s a case of the canary in the coal mine. That vaccinated and boosted old canary flew out fine.)

Not sure why I am continuing to bother with this. The unvaccinated will not be happy until they collapse the economy totally, I guess. And then they will deny responsibility for that, too.

Boomer

[jimjamuser]

We all share a social compact to care about our fellow human beings. We can either listen to the doctors and epidemiologists using science as their touchstone...or we can listen to the "experts" on TOTV who use....ummmm...their own twisted logic.

I think we can all agree that if one wished to play in traffic on I-4 during rush hour, it is your right to do so. But, does one have a right for those wishing to play on I-4 to drag others onto I-4? I think most of us would say, that is not your right to do so. So, if you are unvaccinated or unmasked, it is your right. But, you have no right to go about and infect others just like you have no right to pull others onto I-4 to play if that is what you want to do.

I think the President of France had it right. It is time to emmerder those who are unvaccinated or unmasked. That verb means to immerse in excrement.

It is time that the unvaccinated and unmasked stay home.

They made their choice. Now, be subject to the consequences.On the other hand, those who abide by the social compact to care for their fellow human beings by masking up and getting vaccinated should be allowed to play as much as they want.

This is a public health issue and those who want to belittle the numbers of Covid deaths or hospitalizations or illnesses need to be emmerder.
Good word "emmerder" - I will try to remember "emmerder"! And pretty good analogy about playing on I-4.In general, a great, intelligent post that comes at a very NEEDED time. Nice to read a well-written and smart post instead of the MOSTLY off-the-wall and confused one-liners and one or two-sentence posts that I, unfortunately, have to wade through the "emmerder" content of most posts.
......And I don't know how to BEST say this.....BUT, the post was very pointed and AGGRESSIVE, which I liked. But, I don't like the fact that someone in the US HAS to say it. But, it needs to be said and I, for one, am glad that it is now out in the open! We are in one of History's great PIVOTAL moments. The US can roll through these next few years only moderately wounded or the US can enter a period of Historic devolution toward darkness. (I will not spell that out and be specific) I just HOPE that justice and democracy prevail. The 1st outright battle was last year on Jan 6 - a day that may live in infamy. The casualties were light and hopefully, they stay light. Sorry, but that HAS to be said!

[Dana1963]

Dr. golfing eagles, thank you for trying to provide a reality check. But those who grasp at straws will continue to dismiss reality and go on searching Facebook or wherever they get their “information” for things they can cling to in order to self-validate their refusal to vaccinate.

Meanwhile, my back-home area of Ohio has declared a state of emergency because the hospitals have so many patients very sick with Covid — almost all are unvaccinated.

I know one — a young man — who naively got caught up in that ongoing cause of his “freedom” to deny vaccination. And now he is in the hospital fighting Covid in a life or death battle. His family has been told it is likely that he will never be the same — if he survives, and his wife and kids and others who love him are collateral damage for his “cause.” (along with strangers who might need that ICU bed for a non-Covid reason)

On the other hand, I also know an 80 year-old with several co-morbidities who scared his friends and family when he was sick with Covid — for about 3 days — stayed home, felt really bad, but by the 5 day mark, he was back to his old self. He is vaccinated and boosted. (To me, that’s a case of the canary in the coal mine. That vaccinated and boosted old canary flew out fine.)

Not sure why I am continuing to bother with this. The unvaccinated will not be happy until they collapse the economy totally, I guess. And then they will deny responsibility for that, too.

Boomer
Boomer. Boomer, Boomer it’s probably fake news you might be watching.
I hope the anti-vax/unvaccinated show up to the hospital with an up to date DNR directive.

[jimjamuser]

This latest variant is our ticket out of this...as long as they don't try another booster aimed at it...that will kill off any remaining chance of herd immunity...The reason for all the media hype on this right at this moment is the EUA is up Jan. 15....which means no more emergency use...bring on the lawyers...time to file your claims against the vaccine makers.
The Omicron variant IS elbowing out the Delta. That IS a good thing. And I believe that Omicron will level off and begin decreasing. It is also possible that something worse could replace it. The medical scientists think that is unlikely. So, soon people may be toasting Omicron as a savior......with this Virus anything is possible.
......The balance of the post had me scratching my head?????

[Dana1963]

If you are referring to my post, there is a reply button that will allow a quote of my post to accompany your reply.
If you are replying to me, I did not say that anyone's condition was broadcast. I simply said that there is a segregated, partitioned area in the ER that is labeled and used for those that have or may have Covid. I also said that during the whole day that I waited, I only observed one person occupying that area. I don't believe I mentioned anything regarding "Hippa" so maybe your response was not to my post.
USMC68
I wonder what the reason/delay a person would spent all day in the ER?

[Dana1963]

Since the pandemic is pretty much over....we now have something much worse which will be on shore soon and in time for fall.....Viral hemorrhagic fever...China has 75 million locked down right now and yet again are not giving details...This is like Ebola folks...very bad.
Well Vaccines will be out of the equation
Can viral hemorrhagic fever diseases be prevented? No vaccines are available to prevent these diseases. Two exceptions are for yellow fever and Argentine hemorrhagic fever.

[golfing eagles]

Since the pandemic is pretty much over....we now have something much worse which will be on shore soon and in time for fall.....Viral hemorrhagic fever...China has 75 million locked down right now and yet again are not giving details...This is like Ebola folks...very bad.

Maybe

Here's an internet blurb:

"The inventor of modern mRNA vaccines, Dr. Robert Malone, went on Steve Bannon’s War Room where he warned of a new disease spreading across Communist China that appears to be an “Ebola-like hemorrhagic fever” super virus.

Dr. Malone explained that “vaccinating into a pandemic will drive the development of escape mutants that are resistant to vaccination,” adding that the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) mass vaccination campaign “has mirrored that of the western world, and has resulted in a perfect storm of environment for developing a super virus.”

Do we believe this?----the combination of Malone---who has turned into a doomsday prophet, and Steve Bannon would tend to lack credibility

[golfing eagles]

Well Vaccines will be out of the equation
Can viral hemorrhagic fever diseases be prevented? No vaccines are available to prevent these diseases. Two exceptions are for yellow fever and Argentine hemorrhagic fever.

Well, there was no vaccine for COVID----until there was.

"Necessity is the mother of invention"

[JMintzer]

Opinions are opinions, but facts are facts and over 800,000 US citizens have died from CV. And I know that some anti-vaxxers say that ONE motorcycle person died and was listed as a CV death. My opinion IS that it is like an urban legend. Because MANY expert Doctors state that CV deaths are UNDER-reported. Some die at home and are listed as "natural" causes. And there are probably other reasons for under-reporting. Early in the CV pandemic, a Florida administrator quit her job in protest of Florida's UNDER-reporting of all CV stats. That made all the news. It can likely be Googled.....if forgotten.

That is no Urban Legend. It is factual, per the Director of Health in Illinois. And that of Maricopa County, plus many others...

There is video of them saying that.

You also ignore those who died WITH covid and not FROM covid.

And that FL Administrator? She did no such thing. Stop spreading false information you may have "heard" and cite actual facts... She was fired for insubordination...

The fact is, most states are DOWNSIZING the number of actual covid caused deaths...

How Public Health Counts COVID-19 Deaths - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5Xhu_kCsFk)

"At the time of death, and you had a covid positive test, you are determined to be a covid death. Even if it was not due to covid..."

State of Illinois Definition of a CoVID-19 Death - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SjwUXyP8j4)

[drducat]

Maybe

Here's an internet blurb:

"The inventor of modern mRNA vaccines, Dr. Robert Malone, went on Steve Bannon’s War Room where he warned of a new disease spreading across Communist China that appears to be an “Ebola-like hemorrhagic fever” super virus.

Dr. Malone explained that “vaccinating into a pandemic will drive the development of escape mutants that are resistant to vaccination,” adding that the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) mass vaccination campaign “has mirrored that of the western world, and has resulted in a perfect storm of environment for developing a super virus.”

Do we believe this?----the combination of Malone---who has turned into a doomsday prophet, and Steve Bannon would tend to lack credibility

Malone is saying it along with Epoch Times reported this also along with deaths occurring due to harsh quarantine...Locked In.

[jimjamuser]

That is no Urban Legend. It is factual, per the Director of Health in Illinois. And that of Maricopa County, plus many others...

There is video of them saying that.

You also ignore those who died WITH covid and not FROM covid.

And that FL Administrator? She did no such thing. Stop spreading false information you may have "heard" and cite actual facts... She was fired for insubordination...

The fact is, most states are DOWNSIZING the number of actual covid caused deaths...

How Public Health Counts COVID-19 Deaths - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5Xhu_kCsFk)

"At the time of death, and you had a covid positive test, you are determined to be a covid death. Even if it was not due to covid..."

State of Illinois Definition of a CoVID-19 Death - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SjwUXyP8j4)
Sorry, she was NOT fired for insubordination. That was from "the other side of the story" which was a state government, which had greater control of information and in this case......misinformation. Depending on what side a given person was on - then some believed the state and some believed her. Her insubordination (which is a "catch-all", weak charge) REALLY was simply telling the truth ......and believing that her "truth will set her free". Joke.....the free state of our state. Maybe someday in the future. Or maybe it keeps getting worse. Be careful what you wish for!

[JMintzer]

Many Doctors are now saying that the Omicron surge may ALREADY be DECREASING - or that it will begin in a few weeks with 1st cases and later hospitalizations and deaths beginning to decrease.
.....As to the media.......the legitimate ones (those around before about 1970 or you could say before RUSH ) - are NOT being alarmists. They are the factual TRUTH-tellers in a sea of misinformation and outright propaganda!

What "media" would that be?

[JMintzer]

Dr. golfing eagles, thank you for trying to provide a reality check. But those who grasp at straws will continue to dismiss reality and go on searching Facebook or wherever they get their “information” for things they can cling to in order to self-validate their refusal to vaccinate.

Meanwhile, my back-home area of Ohio has declared a state of emergency because the hospitals have so many patients very sick with Covid — almost all are unvaccinated.

I know one — a young man — who naively got caught up in that ongoing cause of his “freedom” to deny vaccination. And now he is in the hospital fighting Covid in a life or death battle. His family has been told it is likely that he will never be the same — if he survives, and his wife and kids and others who love him are collateral damage for his “cause.” (along with strangers who might need that ICU bed for a non-Covid reason)

On the other hand, I also know an 80 year-old with several co-morbidities who scared his friends and family when he was sick with Covid — for about 3 days — stayed home, felt really bad, but by the 5 day mark, he was back to his old self. He is vaccinated and boosted. (To me, that’s a case of the canary in the coal mine. That vaccinated and boosted old canary flew out fine.)

Not sure why I am continuing to bother with this. The unvaccinated will not be happy until they collapse the economy totally, I guess. And then they will deny responsibility for that, too.

Boomer

Anecdotes are anecdotal...

To your last point... sure, if you say so...

[JMintzer]

Good word "emmerder" - I will try to remember "emmerder"! And pretty good analogy about playing on I-4.In general, a great, intelligent post that comes at a very NEEDED time. Nice to read a well-written and smart post instead of the MOSTLY off-the-wall and confused one-liners and one or two-sentence posts that I, unfortunately, have to wade through the "emmerder" content of most posts.
......And I don't know how to BEST say this.....BUT, the post was very pointed and AGGRESSIVE, which I liked. But, I don't like the fact that someone in the US HAS to say it. But, it needs to be said and I, for one, am glad that it is now out in the open! We are in one of History's great PIVOTAL moments. The US can roll through these next few years only moderately wounded or the US can enter a period of Historic devolution toward darkness. (I will not spell that out and be specific) I just HOPE that justice and democracy prevail. The 1st outright battle was last year on Jan 6 - a day that may live in infamy. The casualties were light and hopefully, they stay light. Sorry, but that HAS to be said!

You just can't help yourself, can you?

[Love2Swim]

At a far, far reduced rate compared to symptomatic, unvaccinated people

No, not according to scientific studies. Once infected, vaccinated people seem to transmit COVID similarly to unvaccinated people. A peer-reviewed study of 162 Delta-infected index cases and their 231 household contacts—who were tracked and tested every day for up to 20 days, regardless of symptoms—found that once infected, the vaccinated were just as likely to transmit COVID to people in their own households as the unvaccinated: about a quarter of both did so. They also found that the asymptomatic infection rate among vaccinated and unvaccinated participants was similar: around 30 percent. This was published in Lancet Infectious Disease.

[Love2Swim]

Dr. But those who grasp at straws will continue to dismiss reality and go on searching Facebook or wherever they get their “information” for things they can cling to in order to self-validate their refusal to vaccinate.

Meanwhile, my back-home area of Ohio has declared a state of emergency because the hospitals have so many patients very sick with Covid — almost all are unvaccinated.

I know one — a young man — who naively got caught up in that ongoing cause of his “freedom” to deny vaccination. And now he is in the hospital fighting Covid in a life or death battle. His family has been told it is likely that he will never be the same — if he survives, and his wife and kids and others who love him are collateral damage for his “cause.” (along with strangers who might need that ICU bed for a non-Covid reason)

On the other hand, I also know an 80 year-old with several co-morbidities who scared his friends and family when he was sick with Covid — for about 3 days — stayed home, felt really bad, but by the 5 day mark, he was back to his old self. He is vaccinated and boosted. (To me, that’s a case of the canary in the coal mine. That vaccinated and boosted old canary flew out fine.)

Not sure why I am continuing to bother with this. The unvaccinated will not be happy until they collapse the economy totally, I guess. And then they will deny responsibility for that, too.

Boomer

:bigbow:

[JMintzer]

Sorry, she was NOT fired for insubordination. That was from "the other side of the story" which was a state government, which had greater control of information and in this case......misinformation. Depending on what side a given person was on - then some believed the state and some believed her. Her insubordination (which is a "catch-all", weak charge) REALLY was simply telling the truth ......and believing that her "truth will set her free". Joke.....the free state of our state. Maybe someday in the future. Or maybe it keeps getting worse. Be careful what you wish for!

Sure and Twitter suspended her account for "telling the truth"...

Access Denied (https://account.miamiherald.com/paywall/subscriber-only?resume=242851256&intcid=ab_archive)

Twitter Suspends Account Of Former Florida Data Analyst Rebekah Jones | Health News Florida (https://health.wusf.usf.edu/health-news-florida/2021-06-08/twitter-suspends-account-of-former-florida-data-analyst-rebekah-jones)

[golfing eagles]

No, not according to scientific studies. Once infected, vaccinated people seem to transmit COVID similarly to unvaccinated people. A peer-reviewed study of 162 Delta-infected index cases and their 231 household contacts—who were tracked and tested every day for up to 20 days, regardless of symptoms—found that once infected, the vaccinated were just as likely to transmit COVID to people in their own households as the unvaccinated: about a quarter of both did so. They also found that the asymptomatic infection rate among vaccinated and unvaccinated participants was similar: around 30 percent. This was published in Lancet Infectious Disease.

Apples and oranges, which is why one needs to know how to read the literature. The key words in that blurb were "once infected". Since the vaccinated are less likely to get infected, the amount of transmission will be vastly different, even if the transmission rate, once infected, is the same. The next phrase of importance was "household contacts". This represents a lot closer contact than going to the grocery store. Thirdly, the asymptomatic infection rate is not so important, since they are less likely to be spewing virus into the air. Also, it is not clear if the fully vaccinated person spread it to household contacts or if they contracted COVID elsewhere, unless the whole family was locked up for the whole 20 days.

So, was that erroneous post just a potential FYI, or was there some hidden anti-vaxxer agenda to it? "Enquiring minds want to know":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Byte1]

Not sure why I am continuing to bother with this. The unvaccinated will not be happy until they collapse the economy totally, I guess. And then they will deny responsibility for that, too.

Boomer

Why is it the "unvaccinated's" fault for a collapse of our economy? After all, it is not their wish to be forced to stay home due to mandates. They are the ones that have been told that they can't work unless they get vaccinated. It seems that if you are honest about it, it is the fearful vaccinated that is forcing them to stay home.
Note: I am vaccinated and I am not anti-vaxxer. I am simply against being mandated against one's will and forced into bankruptcy because of their beliefs. I am against forcing vaccinations and I am against forcing mask wearing.
It is not the unvaccinated that are forcing a bad economy, but I can't/not allowed to say who is really responsible for a bad economy. Besides, aren't we being told that we are living in the best economy in a hundred years?

[La lamy]

I've never seen a Gazette thread get this many posts!

[golfing eagles]

I've never seen a Gazette thread get this many posts!

As their editor sits back and muses "mission accomplished":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Boomer]

Iwillnotengagefurther.Iwillnotengagefurther.…

Boomer

[Love2Swim]

Apples and oranges, which is why one needs to know how to read the literature. The key words in that blurb were "once infected". Since the vaccinated are less likely to get infected, the amount of transmission will be vastly different, even if the transmission rate, once infected, is the same. The next phrase of importance was "household contacts". This represents a lot closer contact than going to the grocery store. Thirdly, the asymptomatic infection rate is not so important, since they are less likely to be spewing virus into the air. Also, it is not clear if the fully vaccinated person spread it to household contacts or if they contracted COVID elsewhere, unless the whole family was locked up for the whole 20 days.

So, was that erroneous post just a potential FYI, or was there some hidden anti-vaxxer agenda to it? "Enquiring minds want to know":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

The point, which you seem not to have grasped, is that someone posted "It's been proven that vaccinated asymptomatic people can still spread the virus"
and you replied "At a far, far reduced rate compared to symptomatic, unvaccinated people" and the literature says differently. Other studies have also shown that vaccinated people who have contracted the virus, shed as much virus as non-vaccinated people. It really doesn't matter if you are unvaccinated or vaccinated, the virus will be spread the same ways - people coughing, talking, close contact, etc. In other words, the rate of transmission will be the same if you have the virus and are vaccinated or unvaccinated, but the number of transmissions will be reduced because the vaccinated are less likely to have it.

[golfing eagles]

The point, which you seem not to have grasped, is that someone posted "It's been proven that vaccinated asymptomatic people can still spread the virus"
and you replied "At a far, far reduced rate compared to symptomatic, unvaccinated people" and the literature says differently. Other studies have also shown that vaccinated people who have contracted the virus, shed as much virus as non-vaccinated people. It really doesn't matter if you are unvaccinated or vaccinated, the virus will be spread the same ways - people coughing, talking, close contact, etc. In other words, the rate of transmission will be the same if you have the virus and are vaccinated or unvaccinated, but the number of transmissions will be reduced because the vaccinated are less likely to have it.

I failed to grasp it?:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

What I highlighted from your post is exactly what I said. And of course the method of transmission is the same.

So, "the literature" does not state differently. And again, "vaccinated people who have contracted the virus.....", not the same as all vaccinated people.

Therefore , I am at a loss to understand your reasoning. You disputed that vaccinated people spread to virus at a far lower level, then later, in the same post, agree. I'd also be interested in what sources you consider "the literature"????

[jojo]

I volunteer at the hospital and I can tell you that Tuesday, January 11, there were many COVID patients in the hospital - far more than the previous week.

[ex34449]

A negativity cake with an icing of misinformation!

More like a cake of reality and where is the misinformation in my post?
Mask up get sick, (It Happens Often)
social distance get sick, (It Happens Often, I'm proof)
mask up and social distance and still get sick. (It Happens Often)
Shoot a social experiment in your arm on top of all or part of the previous and still get sick. (It Happens Often, I'm proof)
No one knows where this thing will be in 2 days much less 2 months or 2 years. (Care to tell me where this will all be let's say March 13?)

[jimjamuser]

Why is it the "unvaccinated's" fault for a collapse of our economy? After all, it is not their wish to be forced to stay home due to mandates. They are the ones that have been told that they can't work unless they get vaccinated. It seems that if you are honest about it, it is the fearful vaccinated that is forcing them to stay home.
Note: I am vaccinated and I am not anti-vaxxer. I am simply against being mandated against one's will and forced into bankruptcy because of their beliefs. I am against forcing vaccinations and I am against forcing mask wearing.
It is not the unvaccinated that are forcing a bad economy, but I can't/not allowed to say who is really responsible for a bad economy. Besides, aren't we being told that we are living in the best economy in a hundred years?
Well, the mechanism as to why the UN-vaccinated would be responsible for the economy tanking - is that the hospitals fill up (with almost 100% UN-vaccinated) patients and there is no room for other needed operations. Without the promise of hospital care people (both vaxxed and non-vaxxed) start calling in sick for fear of REALLY getting sick or driving and having an accident. When people stay at home the economy falters. There are also other reasons for that responsibility.

[jimjamuser]

I volunteer at the hospital and I can tell you that Tuesday, January 11, there were many COVID patients in the hospital - far more than the previous week.
Thanks for the clarification. I thought so because of nationwide trends. Beware ALL N's of one statistically speaking!

[ex34449]

A negativity cake with an icing of misinformation!

Please explain the misinformation in my post. I've experienced it first hand. Love to hear where I'm incorrect in describing what I've lived.

[Byte1]

I wonder what the reason/delay a person would spent all day in the ER?

Good question. Perhaps you should address that when you get a chance to experience a trip to our Villages ER. They were good/nice folks there, but overworked with the short staff. Since I have very little experience with trips to the ER, any ER I do not know if that is normal to spend a whole day before finally seeing a doctor. However, vitals were taken right away, and back to your seat in the waiting room. Blood was drawn and back to the waiting room. Paperwork was filled out, and back to the waiting room. A diagnostic was conducted by a technician, and back to the waiting room. At about 4pm, finally taken to a treatment room and eventually seen by a very busy physician. Not complaining about the treatment, just stating the facts of how the day went. During that whole time period, I saw ONLY one person in the Covid designated area. I have no idea how the day before or the day after was like in the ER.

[Lindaws]

Definitely. Our country MUST start living with this. It may never go away.

[golfing eagles]

Definitely. Our country MUST start living with this. It may never go away.

It will go away. If it doesn't, it will be the first pandemic in recorded history that lasts forever.

[tmbozoki@gmail.com]

How is it media hysteria when they post the facts & data?? It’s only hysteria when people decide what they want to do with the data. Don’t blame the messenger!!

leaving meaningful facts along with reported is why. You can't report # COVID cases (yes just a positive result and not sick) and evaluate those numbers to put it in perspective.

A positive COVID test result is not hospitalization not alone DEATH! The odds are way in our favor of not dying (not reported).

[Two Bills]

Interesting report on BBC this morning.

The puzzle of America'''s record Covid hospital rate - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59960949)

[Bill14564]

leaving meaningful facts along with reported is why. You can't report # COVID cases (yes just a positive result and not sick) and evaluate those numbers to put it in perspective.

A positive COVID test result is not hospitalization not alone DEATH! The odds are way in our favor of not dying (not reported).

??? The hospitalization numbers and death numbers WERE reported in that aarticle. Are you upset that the article did not analyze the data in a way that provided results that you wanted? I prefer reading the facts.


Funny thing about odds - 98% seems like a really high number until you find yourself in the 2% group. If your power was 98% reliable then it would only be out about seven days each year. Sometimes 2% is not really that small.

(We don't yet know that Omicron is much less deadly than the other variants. Things numbers are pointing in a good direction but the next week or so should tell.)

[Johnsocat]

The experts think almost everyone in the USA will contact Covid sometime in the next year or two. Your chances of severe illness or death are very low if you are vaccinated.

Data on the latest variant (Omicron) show your chances of severe illness or death are low even without the vaccination...

[Johnsocat]

??? The hospitalization numbers and death numbers WERE reported in that aarticle. Are you upset that the article did not analyze the data in a way that provided results that you wanted? I prefer reading the facts.


Funny thing about odds - 98% seems like a really high number until you find yourself in the 2% group. If your power was 98% reliable then it would only be out about seven days each year. Sometimes 2% is not really that small.

(We don't yet know that Omicron is much less deadly than the other variants. Things numbers are pointing in a good direction but the next week or so should tell.)

It is an inarguable fact that 100% of people on earth will die of something...

[Bob.Betty]

does anyone really care?

[jimjamuser]

Data on the latest variant (Omicron) show your chances of severe illness or death are low even without the vaccination...
If you are over 50 or 60 you have a GOOD chance of having a REALLY bad hospitalization and a GOOD chance of DEATH. For example, I understand that Glen Beck says that he is UN-vaccinated and he has had 2 bouts with the CV and he currently is in an ICU with it. I have HEARD this 2nd hand. I have not looked it up for a black and white print verification. So, don't excoriate (whatever that means) if the info is off a tad. I am not a fan of Glen Beck or of the deceased Rush Limbaugh so I will NOT bother to look it up. To others, it may be meaningful. My thoughts are if you have CV twice, then God is warning you to get your shot (notice I will NOT refer to it as a jab, which is low rent!)

[jimjamuser]

Data on the latest variant (Omicron) show your chances of severe illness or death are low even without the vaccination...
I wonder if they have name tags in HEAVEN? Or how else do you go about recognizing your old friends? Old people ALL start to look the SAME to me!

[jimjamuser]

Data on the latest variant (Omicron) show your chances of severe illness or death are low even without the vaccination...
hymmm??????

[JMintzer]

If you are over 50 or 60 you have a GOOD chance of having a REALLY bad hospitalization and a GOOD chance of DEATH. For example, I understand that Glen Beck says that he is UN-vaccinated and he has had 2 bouts with the CV and he currently is in an ICU with it. I have HEARD this 2nd hand. I have not looked it up for a black and white print verification. So, don't excoriate (whatever that means) if the info is off a tad. I am not a fan of Glen Beck or of the deceased Rush Limbaugh so I will NOT bother to look it up. To others, it may be meaningful. My thoughts are if you have CV twice, then God is warning you to get your shot (notice I will NOT refer to it as a jab, which is low rent!)

I can find nothing that states he is in the ICU... But that does not surprise me...

Source? Oh, right you can't be bothered to "look it up". You just post it here...

[Byte1]

If you are over 50 or 60 you have a GOOD chance of having a REALLY bad hospitalization and a GOOD chance of DEATH. For example, I understand that Glen Beck says that he is UN-vaccinated and he has had 2 bouts with the CV and he currently is in an ICU with it. I have HEARD this 2nd hand. I have not looked it up for a black and white print verification. So, don't excoriate (whatever that means) if the info is off a tad. I am not a fan of Glen Beck or of the deceased Rush Limbaugh so I will NOT bother to look it up. To others, it may be meaningful. My thoughts are if you have CV twice, then God is warning you to get your shot (notice I will NOT refer to it as a jab, which is low rent!)

My daughter has had Covid twice before the vaccine had been offered to her age group and worked right through it from home. Her cardiologist suggests that she hold off on the vaccine. She has an active lifestyle and has not slowed down. Covid has not scared her into submission. She did get tested before visiting us, though.

[Swoop]

??? The hospitalization numbers and death numbers WERE reported in that aarticle. Are you upset that the article did not analyze the data in a way that provided results that you wanted? I prefer reading the facts.


Funny thing about odds - 98% seems like a really high number until you find yourself in the 2% group. If your power was 98% reliable then it would only be out about seven days each year. Sometimes 2% is not really that small.

(We don't yet know that Omicron is much less deadly than the other variants. Things numbers are pointing in a good direction but the next week or so should tell.)

It’s not just a random 2% of those who get the virus that die. That 2% is predominantly older, overweight people with multiple additional health issues. If you don’t fall into that category, then your chances of dying from Covid drop dramatically. Now it’s a fraction of 1%…

[Bill14564]

It’s not just a random 2% of those who get the virus that die. That 2% is predominantly older, overweight people with multiple additional health issues. If you don’t fall into that category, then your chances of dying from Covid drop dramatically. Now it’s a fraction of 1%…

Perhaps predominantly but not exclusively. In any case, who cares about those old fat people anyway? Just think how much insurance premiums will decrease and how much easier it will be to get a table at the popular restaurant.

[Swoop]

Perhaps predominantly but not exclusively. In any case, who cares about those old fat people anyway? Just think how much insurance premiums will decrease and how much easier it will be to get a table at the popular restaurant.

Wow, such anger! If you fall into the at risk category, get vaccinated if you choose to. If you aren’t in the at risk category, the chances of you dying from Covid are much, much less than a myriad of other possibles.

[Tblue]

Opinions are opinions, but facts are facts and over 800,000 US citizens have died from CV. And I know that some anti-vaxxers say that ONE motorcycle person died and was listed as a CV death. My opinion IS that it is like an urban legend. Because MANY expert Doctors state that CV deaths are UNDER-reported. Some die at home and are listed as "natural" causes. And there are probably other reasons for under-reporting. Early in the CV pandemic, a Florida administrator quit her job in protest of Florida's UNDER-reporting of all CV stats. That made all the news. It can likely be Googled.....if forgotten.

Opinions are opinions and facts are facts, but over 800,000 US citizens have died WITH CV, not FROM CV.

[Love2Swim]

Opinions are opinions and facts are facts, but over 800,000 US citizens have died WITH CV, not FROM CV.

People seem to forget, its not "all about me". Its about your fellow citizens. Everyone doesn't have the luxury of staying at home, and trying to avoid the virus. No matter their best efforts, fellow Americans work at jobs and they may be vaccinated but catch the virus from the idiots that won't get vaccinated, etc., and they may possibly spread it to someone at home that is at risk. Why can't people be less selfish? We know that N95 masks work - why not wear one when in crowded situations or when going to get groceries, etc.? You might be helping someone down the line.

[Byte1]

People seem to forget, its not "all about me". Its about your fellow citizens. Everyone doesn't have the luxury of staying at home, and trying to avoid the virus. No matter their best efforts, fellow Americans work at jobs and they may be vaccinated but catch the virus from the idiots that won't get vaccinated, etc., and they may possibly spread it to someone at home that is at risk. Why can't people be less selfish? We know that N95 masks work - why not wear one when in crowded situations or when going to get groceries, etc.? You might be helping someone down the line.

Because N95 masks have not been available until recently. Selfish? This is the first time in history of ALL the deadly diseases we have endured in this country where you have seen so many folks wearing masks. Do what you have to do, but quit ostracizing others that see things differently than you. Wear that mask while you are sleeping, if you wish. It's your choice, but don't tell me that I should in order to not be "selfish." Demanding someone act a certain way to make you happy, is being selfish.

[Djean1981]

For omicron..?

[Swoop]

People seem to forget, its not "all about me". Its about your fellow citizens. Everyone doesn't have the luxury of staying at home, and trying to avoid the virus. No matter their best efforts, fellow Americans work at jobs and they may be vaccinated but catch the virus from the idiots that won't get vaccinated, etc., and they may possibly spread it to someone at home that is at risk. Why can't people be less selfish? We know that N95 masks work - why not wear one when in crowded situations or when going to get groceries, etc.? You might be helping someone down the line.
“ they may be vaccinated but catch the virus from the idiots that won't get vaccinated” ?🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

So vaccinated people can get Covid, but only from unvaccinated people?!? 🤯🤯

[Byte1]

It would be interesting to see the stats (if they were possible) of those that were infected by family members, especially spouses.