Supreme Court Strikes Down OSHA Covid Vaccination Mandate

[xkeowner]

At least for now the separate mandate for healthcare workers remains in place.

[Dana1963]

At least for now the separate mandate for healthcare workers remains in place.
Considering you must be Vaccinated, masked and receive a negative Covid test to enter the Supreme Court.
They care only about themselves!

[Byte1]

Mandates be damned!

[coffeebean]

Sure.....keep the health care workers protected with vaccine mandates. We need them to take care of those people who refuse vaccination and wind up hospitalized.

[asianthree]

Healthcare workers should have a choice. After all they worked without proper PPE. Survival for more than a year before vaccine, facilities furloughed staff leaving a massive shortage. Some who worked, and became ill, made them use vacation time.

Many resigned, or took retirement, if their facilities demanded to be vaccinated. The government can now thin the herd, little more.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Healthcare workers should have a choice. After all they worked without proper PPE. Survival for more than a year before vaccine, facilities furloughed staff leaving a massive shortage. Some who worked, and became ill, made them use vacation time.

Many resigned, or took retirement, if their facilities demanded to be vaccinated. The government can now thin the herd, little more.

They do have a choice. They can get a vaccine or they can find another job. The healthcare worker mandate refers only to facilities that treat medicare and medicaid patients. If you are a health care worker in a facility that doesn't accept either of them, you're not obligated by law to vaccinate. Your boss might require it as a condition of employment anyway though and that would be his/her right as a business owner.

[Two Bills]

Supreme Court Strikes Down OSHA Covid Vaccination Mandate

Was that verdict ever in doubt?

[dewilson58]

Supreme Court Strikes Down OSHA Covid Vaccination Mandate

Was that verdict ever in doubt?

When I'm feeling that way, sh^t happens.............so I was concerned.

My small brain that it was crazy, crazy OSHA over-reach.

[coffeebean]

Healthcare workers should have a choice. After all they worked without proper PPE. Survival for more than a year before vaccine, facilities furloughed staff leaving a massive shortage. Some who worked, and became ill, made them use vacation time.

Many resigned, or took retirement, if their facilities demanded to be vaccinated. The government can now thin the herd, little more.

As you said, "many resigned or took retirement". THAT was their choice. Choices have consequences.

[Eg_cruz]

Sure.....keep the health care workers protected with vaccine mandates. We need them to take care of those people who refuse vaccination and wind up hospitalized.
Smh……the vax does not stop you from getting, spreading and ending up in hospital. My mom just lost a fully vax friend to Covid.

[coffeebean]

Smh……the vax does not stop you from getting, spreading and ending up in hospital. My mom just lost a fully vax friend to Covid.

Was your Mom's friend boosted? Was your Mom's friend immunocompromised? If you are going to offer anecdotal information, it would be more significant if all the information were disclosed.

As an aside......I'm aware vaccinated die every day but are their deaths BECAUSE of Covid or WITH Covid? The data so overwhelmingly has shown that it is the UN-vaccinated who are hospitalized (something like 85% -90%) and are dying of Covid, not the vaccinated and boosted who have healthy immune systems. But.....I imagine you already knew that.

[golfing eagles]

Smh……the vax does not stop you from getting, spreading and ending up in hospital. My mom just lost a fully vax friend to Covid.

Was your Mom's friend boosted? Was your Mom's friend immunocompromised? If you are going to offer anecdotal information, it would be more significant if all the information were disclosed.

As an aside......I'm aware vaccinated die every day but are their deaths BECAUSE of Covid or WITH Covid? The data so overwhelmingly has shown that it is the UN-vaccinated who are hospitalized (something like 85% -90%) and are dying of Covid, not the vaccinated and boosted who have healthy immune systems. But.....I imagine you already knew that.

Probably not. Those that have some belief, no matter how bizarre, like the anti-vaxxers, will always find a way to reinforce their position, whether it be with like minded people or bogus internet sites. So, no, I imagine that person did not already know the facts.

[Harold.wiser]

Good!!

[Koapaka]

As you said, "many resigned or took retirement". THAT was their choice. Choices have consequences.


Trust me, a health care worker that decided to separate from their current job has WAY more options than someone sick requiring medical care in a setting short staffed for WHATEVER reason. Was It Ever About COVID? Hospitals Ask Infected Staff to Cut Sick Leave Short, Return to Work Amid Labor Shortage (https://www.westernjournal.com/ever-covid-hospitals-ask-infected-staff-cut-sick-leave-short-return-work-amid-labor-shortage/?ff_source=push&ff_medium=westernjournalism&ff_campaign=jeeng)

[Ptmckiou]

I bet if it was the Ebola virus, they would have upheld the mandate. Now in the future, the federal government can’t try to protect its citizens if a real nasty like Ebola was to strike. I think the Supreme Court just allowed politics to enter its doors. Sad day.

[DrBrutyle109]

As Jean Kirkpatrick once said
“You’re all entitled to your opinions, even if you’re wrong”
I haven’t been sick in 20 years. Why should I put something in my body to make YOU feel better. Last year the healthcare workers were hero’s, now you think they’re bad for making a choice that affects them. How hypocritical

[fdpaq0580]

Mandates be damned!

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Never gonna make both sides of any issue happy.
Accept the rules of law as it stands, for the moment. Do your best to try and stay healthy and safe. Try not to get sucked into a debate where you know no one is going to change their mind, for said debate is destined to devolve to attempts at ridicule and belittling.

Good luck, all.

[flflowers]

Sure.....keep the health care workers protected with vaccine mandates. We need them to take care of those people who refuse vaccination and wind up hospitalized.

Don't know why you always dis on the unvaccinated, they are unvaccinated for personal reasons, everyone is different,....when vaccinated carry a higher viral load, so unvaccinated should be more afraid of you.... vaccinated can get AND transmit covid so what difference does it make? get your one hundred boosters that have been proven to not make a difference and move on with your life....

[Djean1981]

It's clear that the vaccinated spread the virus. At this point, it's everwhere. The best defense is eat healthy and stay as fit as possible. The virus has weakened so most all will be ok.

[Koapaka]

So agree. Both 'sides' are entrenched. For me, most of these mandates are total over-reach by those in high places who want to divert much of the public from the REAL issues that our country is facing. The old magician trick - divert the eyes and attention. Also, I simply cannot wait until I get my 4 FREE test kits, in what - many weeks from now... when "OMNICRON" is petered out. what a fiasco.

:bigbow:

BINGO on the "distraction" call. If history is repeated (and it does going way back regardless of which party is in power), their bag of tricks to distract is getting thin...war drums will be required to funnel funds and keep the public distracted just like these missing tests/treatments/options after already being funded and not provided.
Go back and review history, anytime the economy is in this kind of trouble, all of a sudden we seem to need to get worried/involved in some military action around the world. :( :( :(

[taruffi57]

No one in America - who get their news from television, is being told of the MASSIVE numbers of injured and dead from these "vaccines". Why do you think medical personnel have refused the shots? Couldn't be that they know the truth, could it? How about myocarditis in boys/young men, after jabs? Even The CDC, VAERS, WHO, many respected medical research findings, untold #s of doctors, and even the heads of Health Departments in some Countries..warning of injuries. Why then are draconian restrictions being exacted against we citizens.
"something ain't right".

[Johnsocat]

Sure.....keep the health care workers protected with vaccine mandates. We need them to take care of those people who refuse vaccination and wind up hospitalized.

Apparently you aren't seeing that the vaccinated are catching and spreading the current covid variant ... so this decision makes little sense to me.

[Johnsocat]

Our US Supreme Court is a joke! Many large companies want the mandate. We will never rid our country of Covid until the anti vaccination population gets vaccinated. But then on the brighter side, if they don't get vaccinated, they will probably die off!

What a horrible thing to wish upon another human being..

[Roron123]

Totally agree!! Masks do NOT prevent you from getting Covid neither do vaccinations! I had all my vaccines including the booster and my flu shot and in spite of all I still got the Flu (Covid) which lasted a good 4-5 days on DayQuil and NyQuil. So my point leave health care alone and keep hospitals staffed and running! Government needs to keep their noses out of where they are not needed let the States run themselves

[oneclickplus]

As you said, "many resigned or took retirement". THAT was their choice. Choices have consequences.

I guess in your world "give me your wallet or I'll shoot you in the head" is also a valid choice. You'd make a good nazi soldier.

[Johnsocat]

As you said, "many resigned or took retirement". THAT was their choice. Choices have consequences.

Your support of them having choices is false logic and hypocritical if you take away their freedom of choice to "FORCE" another choice.

[justjim]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Never gonna make both sides of any issue happy.
Accept the rules of law as it stands, for the moment. Do your best to try and stay healthy and safe. Try not to get sucked into a debate where you know no one is going to change their mind, for said debate is destined to devolve to attempts at ridicule and belittling.

Good luck, all.

You are spot on IMHO.

[maistocars]

Sure.....keep the health care workers protected with vaccine mandates. We need them to take care of those people who refuse vaccination and wind up hospitalized.
and then you realized that over 70% of those hospitalized for CV are vaxxed and over 50% in ICU are vaxxed per the latest stats out of Ontario and Alberta provinces in Canada. They track that stuff. It's unfortunate we do not, but then the gig would be up if we did.It's also unfortunate they mandated this for healthcare workers as they likely all have natural immunity.
(Link to Alberta stats: COVID-19 Alberta statistics | alberta.ca (https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-outcomes))

[rogerk]

If the population wants vaccine mandates let Congress pass a law. It is NOT up to the Executive Branch.

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Healthcare workers should have a choice. After all they worked without proper PPE. Survival for more than a year before vaccine, facilities furloughed staff leaving a massive shortage. Some who worked, and became ill, made them use vacation time.

Many resigned, or took retirement, if their facilities demanded to be vaccinated. The government can now thin the herd, little more.

Healthcare workers should not have a choice because if they don't get the vaccine, they could be jeopardizing the lives of patients. If anyone should get vaccinated, it should be first of all, healthcare workers.

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

and then you realized that over 70% of those hospitalized for CV are vaxxed and over 50% in ICU are vaxxed per the latest stats out of Ontario and Alberta provinces in Canada. They track that stuff. It's unfortunate we do not, but then the gig would be up if we did.It's also unfortunate they mandated this for healthcare workers as they likely all have natural immunity.
(Link to Alberta stats: COVID-19 Alberta statistics | alberta.ca (https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-outcomes))

Did you review the chart showing deaths and vaccine status? That shows a whole different story. Also, if you review the chart by age, it shows the people being hospitalized are overwhelmingly seniors. So, if you're old and don't get vaccinated, you're really putting yourself in danger.

[Spalumbos62]

What a horrible thing to wish upon another human being..

Don't think he was wishing anything, just stating facts. Unvaxed are the ones dying and then weaken immune.....sad...but pretty much sums it up

[Taltarzac725]

I like wise laws with great attention to fairness. Some people paint with too wide a brush.

Some of these huge companies have employees who probably have little contact with other people. First responders, most nurses, some doctors and others would have many more opportunities to contact COVID.

Common sense often seems missing.

[oneclickplus]

Our US Supreme Court is a joke! Many large companies want the mandate. We will never rid our country of Covid until the anti vaccination population gets vaccinated. But then on the brighter side, if they don't get vaccinated, they will probably die off!

Unvaccinated are not the problem; no matter how many times that lie is repeated. The vaccinated do get infected and spread the virus just as much as the unvaccinated whether symptomatic or not. That is truth. That is science.

100% vaccinated cruise ship cancels cruise and returns. Tell me again how getting vaccinated allows you to take cruises and roam the planet without a mask.

Passengers stuck at sea after Norwegian cancels cruise mid-voyage | TheHill (https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/ports-waterways/589881-passengers-stuck-at-sea-after-norwegian-cancels-cruise)

[jimjamuser]

Mandates be damned!
Great! Now we don't have to pay our Federal taxes. No mandates, no rules, no laws....let's all go to the square nude to protest all mandates.

[jimjamuser]

At least for now the separate mandate for healthcare workers remains in place.
The more inclusive mandate COULD have given great protection against hospitalization, death, and hosts for further variants to 80 MILLION US citizens. SSSSOOOOO SAD!

[jimjamuser]

At least for now the separate mandate for healthcare workers remains in place.
My ex-favorite lady....R.B. Ginsberg. What was she thinking?

[jimjamuser]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Never gonna make both sides of any issue happy.
Accept the rules of law as it stands, for the moment. Do your best to try and stay healthy and safe. Try not to get sucked into a debate where you know no one is going to change their mind, for said debate is destined to devolve to attempts at ridicule and belittling.

Good luck, all.
Debating is a centuries-old (maybe since anthropological time) method of conveying GOOD information and allowing the audience to learn and draw better conclusions than without debates. Socrates and early Greek states LOVED debates - it was a cornerstone for their early DEMOCRACIES. lincoln debated at a key point in US History.
.......The proof IS in THIS pudding........would a person rather live in a society with low or zero debates - aka a Dictatorship. Or a society that ENCOURAGES debates.....aka a Democracy. Be careful what you choose and wish for! Today, it is important!

[jimjamuser]

Don't know why you always dis on the unvaccinated, they are unvaccinated for personal reasons, everyone is different,....when vaccinated carry a higher viral load, so unvaccinated should be more afraid of you.... vaccinated can get AND transmit covid so what difference does it make? get your one hundred boosters that have been proven to not make a difference and move on with your life....
Hymmm......??????

[jimjamuser]

No one in America - who get their news from television, is being told of the MASSIVE numbers of injured and dead from these "vaccines". Why do you think medical personnel have refused the shots? Couldn't be that they know the truth, could it? How about myocarditis in boys/young men, after jabs? Even The CDC, VAERS, WHO, many respected medical research findings, untold #s of doctors, and even the heads of Health Departments in some Countries..warning of injuries. Why then are draconian restrictions being exacted against we citizens.
"something ain't right".
95% of medical Doctors and medical staff are FULLY vaccinated! ONE UN-vaccinated Doctor in Leesburg died of Covid. Funny how the anti-vaxxers use the term "jab" instead of vaccination. The term vaccination MUST frighten them! I find that hilarious. The former President IS fully vaccinated AND boosted.

[macawlaw]

My ex-favorite lady....R.B. Ginsberg. What was she thinking?
What am I missing? RBG is dead.

[jimjamuser]

and then you realized that over 70% of those hospitalized for CV are vaxxed and over 50% in ICU are vaxxed per the latest stats out of Ontario and Alberta provinces in Canada. They track that stuff. It's unfortunate we do not, but then the gig would be up if we did.It's also unfortunate they mandated this for healthcare workers as they likely all have natural immunity.
(Link to Alberta stats: COVID-19 Alberta statistics | alberta.ca (https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-outcomes))
Glenn Beck has been working on his "natural herd immunity". He KEEPS getting it. And "Uncle" Phil Valentine a radio show host of Nashville, Tn. fame rode his "natural immunity" all the way to the PEARLY GATES. Many have followed him.......about 800,000! Good old "individual freedom of choice" - got to love it!

[jimjamuser]

Glenn Beck has been working on his "natural herd immunity". He KEEPS getting it. And "Uncle" Phil Valentine a radio show host of Nashville, Tn. fame rode his "natural immunity" all the way to the PEARLY GATES. Many have followed him.......about 800,000! Good old "individual freedom of choice" - got to love it!
We are having a nice, congenial, civilized DEBATE - right now. Got to LOVE it.

[jimjamuser]

If the population wants vaccine mandates let Congress pass a law. It is NOT up to the Executive Branch.
The Executive Branch has made decisions in the past during emergency times. I must in clear conscience, after studying the issue, believe that today's WORLDWIDE PANDEMIC is a TRUE emergency.

[Koapaka]

Did you review the chart showing deaths and vaccine status? That shows a whole different story. Also, if you review the chart by age, it shows the people being hospitalized are overwhelmingly seniors. So, if you're old and don't get vaccinated, you're really putting yourself in danger.

First it was get the vaccine and you wont get COVID...then they change to get the vaccine and booster and you wont get seriously ill.

As of today, they are saying those that are vaccinated and die from it had serious underlying health issues as co-morbidities is the reason.

Well DUHHHHH

Now just how many people in the 60-80 yr old range do any of us know without SOME kind of underlying health issue???

Always an excuse as to WHY the vaccine did not do what it was intended/touted to do, and they and the vaccine are not to blame, YOU ARE!

I'm just amazed how easy people just blindly follow someone who has turned this country inside out with wrong choices/decisions and yet still hang on his continued empty promises and assurances. Especially given the email leaks that are showing that Fauci has known all along about the gain of function research backdoor and denial.

Has ANYONE noticed death rates are not reported? It is all about the number of infected and how quickly this new variant spreads? That is because there are NOT the deaths to use as fear tactics, or they would be reporting them for sure. Even here locally, the "less than 10" deaths is being used in reporting for Sumter, Lady Lake and Fruitland Park. Well, 9 deaths is WAY different than 0 deaths, but they both fall under the "less than 10" deaths reported.

To say pediatric cases in ICU have doubled, does that mean from 1 to 2 admits, or are we talking 1000's???

They speak vaguely when it suits their agenda and they can't refute the obvious, which is the vaccines are not working to keep it from being caught or spread.

[jimjamuser]

What am I missing? RBG is dead.
Actually, it makes PERFECT sense when one reads between the lines. If it were spelled out, then it would be less interesting than having to contemplate or research the meaning. It is the same thing that directors of famous movies do to create a "buzz" - various endings are sometimes enjoyed by an audience.

[Driller703]

They do have a choice. They can get a vaccine or they can find another job. The healthcare worker mandate refers only to facilities that treat medicare and medicaid patients. If you are a health care worker in a facility that doesn't accept either of them, you're not obligated by law to vaccinate. Your boss might require it as a condition of employment anyway though and that would be his/her right as a business owner.

Get a vaccine or lose your job. I may have missed something. Is there a mandate get a vaccine or lose your welfare? Or get a vaccine or lose your food stamps? Or get a vaccine or lose your free everything if you are in the country illegally? There must be, and I just missed it, right

[Byte1]

Debating is a centuries-old (maybe since anthropological time) method of conveying GOOD information and allowing the audience to learn and draw better conclusions than without debates. Socrates and early Greek states LOVED debates - it was a cornerstone for their early DEMOCRACIES. lincoln debated at a key point in US History.
.......The proof IS in THIS pudding........would a person rather live in a society with low or zero debates - aka a Dictatorship. Or a society that ENCOURAGES debates.....aka a Democracy. Be careful what you choose and wish for! Today, it is important!

What do you think "mandates" are? They are a form of "dictatorship" because someone else is making your decision for you and you have NO choice. That ain't no Democracy that I know of.

[JMintzer]

Great! Now we don't have to pay our Federal taxes. No mandates, no rules, no laws....let's all go to the square nude to protest all mandates.

Do you really need to have the difference between a "mandate" and a "law" explained to you?

[Taltarzac725]

Do you really need to have the difference between a "mandate" and a "law" explained to you?

What Is an Executive Order? (https://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_education/publications/teaching-legal-docs/what-is-an-executive-order-/)

This spells it out. You will find all of these in a law library for instance.

Supreme Court blocks Biden Covid vaccine mandate for businesses, allows health-care worker rule (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/13/supreme-court-ruling-biden-covid-vaccine-mandates.html)

[golfing eagles]

No one in America - who get their news from television, is being told of the MASSIVE numbers of injured and dead from these "vaccines". Why do you think medical personnel have refused the shots? Couldn't be that they know the truth, could it? How about myocarditis in boys/young men, after jabs? Even The CDC, VAERS, WHO, many respected medical research findings, untold #s of doctors, and even the heads of Health Departments in some Countries..warning of injuries. Why then are draconian restrictions being exacted against we citizens.
"something ain't right".

On what planet in what universe?????

[golfing eagles]

and then you realized that over 70% of those hospitalized for CV are vaxxed and over 50% in ICU are vaxxed per the latest stats out of Ontario and Alberta provinces in Canada. They track that stuff. It's unfortunate we do not, but then the gig would be up if we did.It's also unfortunate they mandated this for healthcare workers as they likely all have natural immunity.
(Link to Alberta stats: COVID-19 Alberta statistics | alberta.ca (https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-outcomes))

Actually, we do track "that stuff' and 95% of the ICU beds a re UNvaccinated.

[golfing eagles]

Unvaccinated are not the problem; no matter how many times that lie is repeated. The vaccinated do get infected and spread the virus just as much as the unvaccinated whether symptomatic or not. That is truth. That is science.

100% vaccinated cruise ship cancels cruise and returns. Tell me again how getting vaccinated allows you to take cruises and roam the planet without a mask.

Passengers stuck at sea after Norwegian cancels cruise mid-voyage | TheHill (https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/ports-waterways/589881-passengers-stuck-at-sea-after-norwegian-cancels-cruise)

Unvaccinated ARE THE PROBLEM, no matter how many times the liars repeat they're not.

[Taltarzac725]

Access Denied (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/11/04/fact-sheet-biden-administration-announces-details-of-two-major-vaccination-policies/)

This gives details in the thinking behind this.

[jimjamuser]

What do you think "mandates" are? They are a form of "dictatorship" because someone else is making your decision for you and you have NO choice. That ain't no Democracy that I know of.
The US was a Democracy when I grew up in the 60s and 70s (and before). Polio shots were "mandated" by Federal Government Agencies. There was a national mandate for the "Soil Bank" for farmers and ranchers - they were PAID to NOT FARM! Was that Federal overreach - some kind of socialism or communist plot? What about the doctrine of "eminent domain" ....another quasi-government "socialism" take-over? What about when the Federal requires an MMR shot (note...not jab) or an RSV vaccination? What about the Federal Government paying the oil companies for drilling - years after it was unnecessary - where is the OUTCRY against that.
No! Today's anti-vaxx movement is a fairly recent development (about 10 to 15 years). And yes, there was some early "live virus" vaccines around 1940 or whenever, that got some early anti-vaxxing going. But, medical science was less knowledgable then vs today. And, if we don't slip into some dark ages from WW3, medical science will be more impressive in 2050. Today's anti-vaxx movement is stronger than earlier versions due to the linking of some religious believers, Russian propagandists, intellectual laziness, and chaotic social and cultural thinking grabbing hold of US minds.
.......Basically, we have anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers, anti-certain groups, and anti-science types - all leading to anti-democracy. So SAD!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

What do you think "mandates" are? They are a form of "dictatorship" because someone else is making your decision for you and you have NO choice. That ain't no Democracy that I know of.

So, you'd be fine if the guy who does your colonoscopy says "nah - I don't feel like washing my hands today, and no one better dare mandate that."

Or your dentist say "oh - that dirt on the drill? That's from the last guy we used it on. Clean it? Since when does anyone mandate what we do with our own equipment? Open up...."

Or the rec center say "we don't have to put "caution, wet floor" cones on the tile after washing them - no one can mandate that."

(here's a clue: the government can absolutely mandate ALL of those things. And they DO mandate that).

You're okay with all the above, so why do you object to knowing that the nurse who takes care of your sick spouse at the hospital is vaccinated?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Also I'm thinking I'll just start parking in handicap spots from now on. Because the government shouldn't be mandating who gets to park closer to Publix than anyone else. And if I feel like blocking the wheelchair ramp with my car at the curb, you need to just relax and wait til I'm darned good and ready to move. To heck with the ADA, screw those mandates.

[Dana1963]

At least for now the separate mandate for healthcare workers remains in place.
Science is my most favorite subject, especially the Old Testament

[jimjamuser]

What do you think "mandates" are? They are a form of "dictatorship" because someone else is making your decision for you and you have NO choice. That ain't no Democracy that I know of.
Actually, my post was about the subject of debates. And I threw in some Historic references. it was all fairly factual and straightforward. There was little, if anything, opinionating there. And "mandates" were not mentioned. Maybe in one of my other posts??????

[jimjamuser]

On what planet in what universe?????
The Planet - Strange Villagerland. There are a few such orbiting around us in the "outer fringes"!

[jimjamuser]

Science is my most favorite subject, especially the Old Testament
Now..... I need a translator. That one has sown seeds of confusion in my "insane in the membrane" area. Could that be a Butthead or Beavis reference??????

[Bob.Betty]

they should have the right to decide for themselves whether or not to get a vaccine of any sorts

[Lindsyburnsy]

Ask yourself, then why should a woman put her body through pregnancy for 9 months if it makes YOU feel better?

As Jean Kirkpatrick once said
“You’re all entitled to your opinions, even if you’re wrong”
I haven’t been sick in 20 years. Why should I put something in my body to make YOU feel better. Last year the healthcare workers were hero’s, now you think they’re bad for making a choice that affects them. How hypocritical

[Byte1]

So, you'd be fine if the guy who does your colonoscopy says "nah - I don't feel like washing my hands today, and no one better dare mandate that."

Or your dentist say "oh - that dirt on the drill? That's from the last guy we used it on. Clean it? Since when does anyone mandate what we do with our own equipment? Open up...."

Or the rec center say "we don't have to put "caution, wet floor" cones on the tile after washing them - no one can mandate that."

(here's a clue: the government can absolutely mandate ALL of those things. And they DO mandate that).

You're okay with all the above, so why do you object to knowing that the nurse who takes care of your sick spouse at the hospital is vaccinated?

Try reading the post that I responded to. Big difference between what I said and what you interpret what I said. I never said that prudence should be discarded. I responded to his warped idea of what a dictatorship is in this regard. I never said that we should not have laws. YOU want it to seem that way so you exaggerate what someone says.

[Byte1]

Ask yourself, then why should a woman put her body through pregnancy for 9 months if it makes YOU feel better?

How would that make someone feel better? You might wish to use a better example. Why dont' you use something like "should I eat a salad so that I make you feel better?" Should we make a law banning Big Gulps because it makes someone else feel better? Oh wait.........

[Byte1]

The US was a Democracy when I grew up in the 60s and 70s (and before). Polio shots were "mandated" by Federal Government Agencies. There was a national mandate for the "Soil Bank" for farmers and ranchers - they were PAID to NOT FARM! Was that Federal overreach - some kind of socialism or communist plot? What about the doctrine of "eminent domain" ....another quasi-government "socialism" take-over? What about when the Federal requires an MMR shot (note...not jab) or an RSV vaccination? What about the Federal Government paying the oil companies for drilling - years after it was unnecessary - where is the OUTCRY against that.
No! Today's anti-vaxx movement is a fairly recent development (about 10 to 15 years). And yes, there was some early "live virus" vaccines around 1940 or whenever, that got some early anti-vaxxing going. But, medical science was less knowledgable then vs today. And, if we don't slip into some dark ages from WW3, medical science will be more impressive in 2050. Today's anti-vaxx movement is stronger than earlier versions due to the linking of some religious believers, Russian propagandists, intellectual laziness, and chaotic social and cultural thinking grabbing hold of US minds.
.......Basically, we have anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers, anti-certain groups, and anti-science types - all leading to anti-democracy. So SAD!

No, actually the idea of allowing "anti-" anything by freedom of one's choice is a form of "democracy." Besides, as you know we live in a Republic, not a democracy.
My opinion is that if one chooses one path or another, it is a form of Freedom. It may be a terrible choice, but they had the satisfaction of making their own choice. And yes, I am also against laws requiring seatbelts and motorcycle helmets. I wear them when I do not have to, but that is my decision. I do not need anyone making that decision for me. If you take away one's decision making, you do not have a democracy, you have a drone of the powers that be.

[coffeebean]

Don't know why you always dis on the unvaccinated, they are unvaccinated for personal reasons, everyone is different,....when vaccinated carry a higher viral load, so unvaccinated should be more afraid of you.... vaccinated can get AND transmit covid so what difference does it make? get your one hundred boosters that have been proven to not make a difference and move on with your life....

Vaccinated people carry a higher viral load? Really? Please provide a link to that information.

Boosters have been proven to not make a difference? Really? Please provide a link to that information.

Thanks.

[coffeebean]

No one in America - who get their news from television, is being told of the MASSIVE numbers of injured and dead from these "vaccines". Why do you think medical personnel have refused the shots? Couldn't be that they know the truth, could it? How about myocarditis in boys/young men, after jabs? Even The CDC, VAERS, WHO, many respected medical research findings, untold #s of doctors, and even the heads of Health Departments in some Countries..warning of injuries. Why then are draconian restrictions being exacted against we citizens.
"something ain't right".

BBC news is very neutral. I watch BBC news and all those injuries and deaths from the vaccine have not been reported. If it were true that the vaccines are THAT dangerous, do you honestly think our government would be advocating these vaccines, let alone mandating them?

[coffeebean]

Apparently you aren't seeing that the vaccinated are catching and spreading the current covid variant ... so this decision makes little sense to me.
Of course I'm aware the vaccinated are catching and spreading Covid. What they aren't doing in numbers of any consequence is glutting hospital beds. The vaccinated are catching the virus but are not dying in huge numbers either. Most people hospitalized with Covid are UN-vaccinated.

[coffeebean]

Don't think he was wishing anything, just stating facts. Unvaxed are the ones dying and then weaken immune.....sad...but pretty much sums it up

I typed up pretty much the same response to that poster but deleted it before posting it. Do agree with you.

[coffeebean]

Unvaccinated are not the problem; no matter how many times that lie is repeated. The vaccinated do get infected and spread the virus just as much as the unvaccinated whether symptomatic or not. That is truth. That is science.

100% vaccinated cruise ship cancels cruise and returns. Tell me again how getting vaccinated allows you to take cruises and roam the planet without a mask.

Passengers stuck at sea after Norwegian cancels cruise mid-voyage | TheHill (https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/ports-waterways/589881-passengers-stuck-at-sea-after-norwegian-cancels-cruise)

UN-vaccinated are more apt to be hospitalized with Covid. THAT is a problem. Vaccinated people with strong immune systems are not taking up hospital beds in the numbers that UN-vaccinated people are.

I think at this point in time. most people who are aware of what is going on in this world are very much aware that vaccinated people do catch and transmit Covid so there is no "lie" being perpetuated.

[coffeebean]

95% of medical Doctors and medical staff are FULLY vaccinated! ONE UN-vaccinated Doctor in Leesburg died of Covid. Funny how the anti-vaxxers use the term "jab" instead of vaccination. The term vaccination MUST frighten them! I find that hilarious. The former President IS fully vaccinated AND boosted.

YUP, he most certainly is.

[coffeebean]

First it was get the vaccine and you wont get COVID...then they change to get the vaccine and booster and you wont get seriously ill.

As of today, they are saying those that are vaccinated and die from it had serious underlying health issues as co-morbidities is the reason.

Well DUHHHHH

Now just how many people in the 60-80 yr old range do any of us know without SOME kind of underlying health issue???

Always an excuse as to WHY the vaccine did not do what it was intended/touted to do, and they and the vaccine are not to blame, YOU ARE!

I'm just amazed how easy people just blindly follow someone who has turned this country inside out with wrong choices/decisions and yet still hang on his continued empty promises and assurances. Especially given the email leaks that are showing that Fauci has known all along about the gain of function research backdoor and denial.

Has ANYONE noticed death rates are not reported? It is all about the number of infected and how quickly this new variant spreads? That is because there are NOT the deaths to use as fear tactics, or they would be reporting them for sure. Even here locally, the "less than 10" deaths is being used in reporting for Sumter, Lady Lake and Fruitland Park. Well, 9 deaths is WAY different than 0 deaths, but they both fall under the "less than 10" deaths reported.

To say pediatric cases in ICU have doubled, does that mean from 1 to 2 admits, or are we talking 1000's???

They speak vaguely when it suits their agenda and they can't refute the obvious, which is the vaccines are not working to keep it from being caught or spread.
Weren't we originally told that the mRNA vaccines had a 95% efficacy at neutralizing the virus? That is not 100% so we were not guaranteed to not become infected. There was always that 5% that could contract Covid. BUT>>>>>>>we were told that those 5% would not die of Covid. Well, that didn't work out the way we were promised. Turns out the vaccines did not work so well for people who are immunocompromised.

We were also informed that the mRNA vaccines were not developed as "sterilizing vaccines", meaning these vaccines do not sterilize the virus. The virus can still replicate in vaccinated people which means vaccinated people can contract the virus. I knew that very early on. I read an awful lot. There were no secrets out there.

[JMintzer]

Weren't we originally told that the mRNA vaccines had a 95% efficacy at neutralizing the virus. That is not 100% so we were not guaranteed to not become infected. There was always that 5% that could contract Covid. BUT>>>>>>>we were told that those 5% would not die of Covid. Well, that didn't work out the way we were promised. Turns out the vaccines did not work so well for people who are immunocompromised.

We were also informed that the mRNA vaccines were not developed as "sterilizing vaccines", meaning these vaccines do not sterilize the virus. The virus can still replicate in vaccinated people which means vaccinated people can contract the virus. I knew that very early on. I read an awful lot. There were no secrets out there.

No, we were initially told that getting the vaccine had a 90ish% rate of PREVENTING one for catching Covid.

Then, they moved the goal posts and told us that oh, sorry but you can still get covid, take this booster....

Then, they said "never mind" you'll probably need a 4th booster and what we really meant all along was that you wouldn't get as sick if you caught covid if vaccinated...

Your 5% "loophole" is a cop out...

[coffeebean]

What do you think "mandates" are? They are a form of "dictatorship" because someone else is making your decision for you and you have NO choice. That ain't no Democracy that I know of.

Sorry, I respectfully disagree with you. The choice is there. Do you see anyone being tied down and a hypodermic needle being thrust into their arm without their consent? I don't. There most certainly is a choice and choices have consequences.

[coffeebean]

On what planet in what universe?????

I know, right?