Yamaha Lithium is here....

[MorTech]

And they are "boasting" 105ah...LOL
RoyPow battery
38 miles of range..Booo

Yamaha Golf Car PowerTech Li - Yamaha Golf Car (https://www.yamahagolfcar.com/powertechli/)

Its like they put near zero effort into this....
Maybe the PTV version will have a bigger battery...But that would make sense, so probably not :)
It would also make sense to have turn signals and the comfy seat standard in the PTV...That not going to happen.
But, hey! What can you expect for $15K? ...HeHe.

[DAIII]

38 mile range, while driven on a flat track?? uhhhh

[Speedie]

Stop and charge for an hour or two at the 9th hole turn

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

What happened to all that "New Leader" trash talk?
disappointing

[DAIII]

Stop and charge for an hour or two at the 9th hole turn

Bring a long extension cord and you're good.

[DARFAP]

Just like a Tesla

[triflex]

Apparently The Villages isn't the focus of this new Li powered cart. The golf course market is the intended customer.

[fdpaq0580]

My old gassed will probably outlive me. No need to change and spend so much money for so much less cart.
It's only a golf cart, after all. Better things to spend that money on.

😏

[MorTech]

I doubt TVGC wants to sell any electric cart that won't go at least 50 miles on a charge. I wouldn't either.

Yeah..."The Leaderboard is Changing"..LOL

What does MBA stand for? Mindless Blathering A------

[Golf54]

I expect within a year they will have a Village version with 2 108ah batteries.

[OhioBuckeye]

Yea, wait until they have to buy another Lithium battery, expensive! Electric transportation just to get 40 miles in a golf cart & maybe 150 miles in a new $80,000. car is a joke. Our country is starting to be a joke! Do what you want but not me!

[noslices1]

38 mile range, while driven on a flat track?? uhhhh

Downhill.

[Bay Kid]

So after 15-20 miles you start to worry about your next charge. Kind of like smoking cigarettes.

Give me gas.

[ca21455]

For Yamaha to say they the industry leader is BS. Evolution has a 180 ah battery and easily goes over 60 miles on a charge.
Replacement batteries are running under $2,000 and will be better and cheaper in the future.
Current experience life of Lithium batteries is well over 5 years.

[talonip]

Just bought one. 210 lithium. 70-80 miles. Battery gauge but you can use the battery app on iPhone to get a better look at your range and charge. Lots of features.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I doubt TVGC wants to sell any electric cart that won't go at least 50 miles on a charge. I wouldn't either.

Yeah..."The Leaderboard is Changing"..LOL

What does MBA stand for? Mindless Blathering A------

I think that TVGC wants to sell whatever they make the most margin on. Up until now, that has been Yamaha gas. EZ Go is probably giving them a better deal and more and more people are interested in lithium.

[flyboyl39]

I retrofitted my Club Car Precedent with the Roy Power 105. I get over 50 miles to a charge and that’s with a high speed motor . Charges in 3.5 hours,,,,,guaranteed for 5 years, and only cost me 2300 to have it done.After 4 sets of lead acid batteries, I was done. BTW it is way lighter so the cart is faster and handles better.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Star looks very, very good but pricing is off the charts. I looked at one when I bought my EZ Go Elite and was told that they start at $22,000.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Just bought one. 210 lithium. 70-80 miles. Battery gauge but you can use the battery app on iPhone to get a better look at your range and charge. Lots of features.
Star looks very, very good but pricing is off the charts. I looked at one when I bought my EZ Go Elite and was told that they start at $22,000.

[Watchdr@yahoo.com]

We just looked at them yesterday at TVGC. The new lithium carts, they say, are getting 50 miles for Yamaha and 80 miles for Star. Like someone said, that is on flat ground and hurricane winds to your back I bet. Then I ask how long do the batteries last and the cost of them. They said 5 to 8 years is what they are “predicting” and “right now” the price is $4,000 for new batteries. In 5 to 8 years when you need new batteries they will be $6,000 or $7,000 and you won’t be able to get $5,000 out of the cart if you tried to sell it. Just my opinion. $4,000 of gas goes a long way in a golf cart. Think about it. All your getting is a little more quite ride, not a better ride. This is just my opinion and thoughts. Buy what you feel right buying and remember, riding around in a golf cart all day is much better than working. lol

[flyboyl39]

Lithium battery prices are falling not rising. As far as dealers quoting replacement prices, no one will have a dealer do it. They will be replaced by independents like Battery Brothers. Go online all kinds of companies selling them from 1500 to 3000 depending on size.

[jarodrig]

Just like a Tesla

In what way is that ?

[Tom M]

I retrofitted my Club Car Precedent with the Roy Power 105. I get over 50 miles to a charge and that’s with a high speed motor . Charges in 3.5 hours,,,,,guaranteed for 5 years, and only cost me 2300 to have it done.After 4 sets of lead acid batteries, I was done. BTW it is way lighter so the cart is faster and handles better.

"Faster"? Isn't it throttled to a specific speed? Are you suggesting it goes slower with 2 people in it than 1?

[Roron123]

404 miles on the Tesla FYI

[Regor]

Not sure about where you all go but I've checked my mileage from my longest drive in my cart without stopping at my home and it was about 35 miles. Usually it's less than 20. Once home it's real simple to plug the cart in. I don't think I have ever gone over 40 miles in a day in the cart and there is always time while at home it can be charged.
Plugging it in is a whole lot easier than going to a gas station. Used to do that every other week and for me it was about a 45 minute trip to get there, fill it up and then back. That's about 19 hours of wasted time per year.

[MorTech]

I expect within a year they will have a Village version with 2 108ah batteries.

Yeah, maybe...One would think they would put the RoyPow 160ah battery in the PTV version because The Villages is the number one Yamaha golf cart dealer in the WORLD! And, TV is going to nearly double in size over the next 5 years.

[MorTech]

Star looks very, very good but pricing is off the charts. I looked at one when I bought my EZ Go Elite and was told that they start at $22,000.

The Star uses a 210ah battery good for at least 80 miles. It was $18, 300 a few months ago. for 2 passenger...About the same as EZGO Elite 4.2

[MorTech]

Yea, wait until they have to buy another Lithium battery, expensive! Electric transportation just to get 40 miles in a golf cart & maybe 150 miles in a new $80,000. car is a joke. Our country is starting to be a joke! Do what you want but not me!

Alrighty then.

[jimjamuser]

And they are "boasting" 105ah...LOL
RoyPow battery
38 miles of range..Booo

Yamaha Golf Car PowerTech Li - Yamaha Golf Car (https://www.yamahagolfcar.com/powertechli/)

Its like they put near zero effort into this....
Maybe the PTV version will have a bigger battery...But that would make sense, so probably not :)
It would also make sense to have turn signals and the comfy seat standard in the PTV...That not going to happen.
But, hey! What can you expect for $15K? ...HeHe.
I take it that the purpose of this thread is to "trash talk" electric golf carts! I will be an outlier and take the opposite side of this argument. I will suppose that everyone here loves their sons, daughters, and grandchildren. And I will take it as a GIVEN that they are aware of Global Warming. And spare me the "it's just natural cycles of the climate-changing", please - since most climate scientists KNOW that it is man-made and that the last 7 years is the warmest in RECENT HISTORY (maybe sometime 1 million years ago was warmer, but humans don't live quite that long, or worry about ice ages)
.......1st let's talk about the short term with respect to battery-powered golf carts. Note : I am not aware whether there are or are not HYBRID golf carts, but I could see that as a great solution to the "dealer-salesman-promoted" range anxiety that permeates TOTV golf cart posts. AND a great way for "conservative golfers" to be led into the future, promised land of E golf-vehicles. So.....short term.....to make an experiment that MIGHT (?) change minds and PROVE my point - simply sit outside, within 10 feet of a residential street with a LOT OF golf cart traffic and other traffic. Use a very sophisticated piece of test equipment......your nose. Wait for a day in which the prevailing WIND is lightly blowing toward your nose. You will reach the conclusion that OLDER or out-of-tune GASOLINE golf cars are very, VERY, SUPER STINKY. Note : when you are riding inside a golf cart the FRESH wind saves you, yourself, from inhaling the noxious FUMES. BUT, the environment and joggers, walkers, and other OLDER members of your TV Land brothers and sisters are NOT SO LUCKY ......to be continued

[jimjamuser]

Continued.....short term - you will notice that many gas carts are also VERY noisy and seem to vibrate as if they want to throw off all their bolts. You will probably also see speeds pushing 35 mph illegally, but a different issue. If an Electric Golf Cart happens to come by (there are more of them here than people think), it will be noticed that there is NO excessive noise, stink or pollution generated. And the acceleration from a stop is better.
......The cost of an Electric may be greater than the cost of a gas golf cart - but, the cost of maintaining an electric is MUCH lower. Gasoline costs more than electricity and there is that wanted trip OFTEN to the gas station and the time spent to consider. Electric motors are a more reliable even today and will get better in the future - they have much less moving parts and parts moving in a SMOOTH circle and not a jarring, metal breaking back and forth, reciprocating motion. ........I will write about the long-term advantages of Electric vehicles IF and only if there is more interest in this subject and less one-sided comments.

[jimjamuser]

For Yamaha to say they the industry leader is BS. Evolution has a 180 ah battery and easily goes over 60 miles on a charge.
Replacement batteries are running under $2,000 and will be better and cheaper in the future.
Current experience life of Lithium batteries is well over 5 years.
Finally, some positive clarity!

[jimjamuser]

I retrofitted my Club Car Precedent with the Roy Power 105. I get over 50 miles to a charge and that’s with a high speed motor . Charges in 3.5 hours,,,,,guaranteed for 5 years, and only cost me 2300 to have it done.After 4 sets of lead acid batteries, I was done. BTW it is way lighter so the cart is faster and handles better.
Sounds reasonable and practical. Future generations and the earth thanks you!

[JMintzer]

Sounds reasonable and practical. Future generations and the earth thanks you!

Yes, because all of that electricity comes from the "electricity fairy" and is completely non-polluting and does nothing to add the the "DREADED" global warming...

P.S. I would HAVE used MORE capitalized WORDS, but I DIDN'T want to WRITE a THESIS...

[Topspinmo]

Lithium battery prices are falling not rising. As far as dealers quoting replacement prices, no one will have a dealer do it. They will be replaced by independents like Battery Brothers. Go online all kinds of companies selling them from 1500 to 3000 depending on size.

Really, how comes its in short supply. Manufacturing might get cheap but raw lithium will never go down.

[Topspinmo]

Sounds reasonable and practical. Future generations and the earth thanks you!

Evidently you don’t know how lithium mined.

[JMintzer]

Evidently you don’t know how lithium mined.

Yup. Here's a typical Lithium mine...

https://www.maplecroft.com/siteassets/images/sector-images/mining-and-metals/mining-lithium-fotolia_23141047.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/iZ3BoqypGYU/maxresdefault.jpg

[MorTech]

Actually the post is about the less than optimal battery capacity for tooling around The Villages and not really about climate mythology. You might try typing "solar cycle 25" and "grand solar minimum" or "conformation bias" into a search engine of your choice.

[affald]

I retrofitted my Club Car Precedent with the Roy Power 105. I get over 50 miles to a charge and that’s with a high speed motor . Charges in 3.5 hours,,,,,guaranteed for 5 years, and only cost me 2300 to have it done.After 4 sets of lead acid batteries, I was done. BTW it is way lighter so the cart is faster and handles better.

Can you share the specifics. Thank you. What was installed, by whom, how long ago? This would be great info, and a sticky thread for this purpose would be great.

[OhioBuckeye]

All I can do is roll my eyes in disbelief in some of these comments!

[flyboyl39]

Can you share the specifics. Thank you. What was installed, by whom, how long ago? This would be great info, and a sticky thread for this purpose would be great.
Had it done 6 months ago at the club car dealer in Tampa. They removed and recycled the lead batteries and installed the Roy Power battery pack

[flyboyl39]

"Faster"? Isn't it throttled to a specific speed? Are you suggesting it goes slower with 2 people in it than 1?
The lithium battery weighs hundreds of pounds less than the lead acid batteries. The cart is 2 MPH faster than before with WOT

[lauron57]

I converted my 2019 Yamaha PTV to Lithium myself. I removed almost 400 lbs net (my cart had 8ea 6v batteries). The new battery w/ charger, delivered to my door, cost ~ $2700 in Oct 2021. It took me about 2.5 hours to convert it. Removed the old batteries, which were still fine, and easily sold them $50 each within a week. Cart is lighter, handles better, acceleration is waaayyy better and stops better with less weight. I live in the Pine Hills/Pine Ridge part of the villages, have gone up to Lopez for 18 holes and back home with NO concern at all. If you want to convert yours, send me a msg. I'd be happy to help...and no...I don't get commission. I've had 4 new Yamaha PTV's since 2017, both gas and electric, and don't see myself ever going back to gas.

[Topspinmo]

And they are "boasting" 105ah...LOL
RoyPow battery
38 miles of range..Booo

Yamaha Golf Car PowerTech Li - Yamaha Golf Car (https://www.yamahagolfcar.com/powertechli/)

Its like they put near zero effort into this....
Maybe the PTV version will have a bigger battery...But that would make sense, so probably not :)
It would also make sense to have turn signals and the comfy seat standard in the PTV...That not going to happen.
But, hey! What can you expect for $15K? ...HeHe.

Look at the picture, they are golf course carts, not modified village carts. Yamaha don’t sell villages modified cart. batteries are plenty big enough to run all day on golf course so you rant about Yamaha cause you don’t sell them is sneaky way to steer the greenhorn new villagers to you brand.

[Vermilion Villager]

Stop and charge for an hour or two at the 9th hole turn

If you are at the turn and have driven 38 miles to get there I suggest you give up golf!!!! :1rotfl:

[MorTech]

Other than 38 mile range, it seems OK....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_Ps6nlxBEg

Gotta like the independent rear suspension.

[kkingston57]

I take it that the purpose of this thread is to "trash talk" electric golf carts! I will be an outlier and take the opposite side of this argument. I will suppose that everyone here loves their sons, daughters, and grandchildren. And I will take it as a GIVEN that they are aware of Global Warming. And spare me the "it's just natural cycles of the climate-changing", please - since most climate scientists KNOW that it is man-made and that the last 7 years is the warmest in RECENT HISTORY (maybe sometime 1 million years ago was warmer, but humans don't live quite that long, or worry about ice ages)
.......1st let's talk about the short term with respect to battery-powered golf carts. Note : I am not aware whether there are or are not HYBRID golf carts, but I could see that as a great solution to the "dealer-salesman-promoted" range anxiety that permeates TOTV golf cart posts. AND a great way for "conservative golfers" to be led into the future, promised land of E golf-vehicles. So.....short term.....to make an experiment that MIGHT (?) change minds and PROVE my point - simply sit outside, within 10 feet of a residential street with a LOT OF golf cart traffic and other traffic. Use a very sophisticated piece of test equipment......your nose. Wait for a day in which the prevailing WIND is lightly blowing toward your nose. You will reach the conclusion that OLDER or out-of-tune GASOLINE golf cars are very, VERY, SUPER STINKY. Note : when you are riding inside a golf cart the FRESH wind saves you, yourself, from inhaling the noxious FUMES. BUT, the environment and joggers, walkers, and other OLDER members of your TV Land brothers and sisters are NOT SO LUCKY ......to be continued

Also should suggest having a person drive 2-3 miles straight with the curtains down. I rarely use curtains. During heavy rainstorm, had curtains down and gas smell/fumes were noticeably higher. Had to wonder if this could cause carbon monoxide problem.

[Topspinmo]

Continued.....short term - you will notice that many gas carts are also VERY noisy and seem to vibrate as if they want to throw off all their bolts. You will probably also see speeds pushing 35 mph illegally, but a different issue. If an Electric Golf Cart happens to come by (there are more of them here than people think), it will be noticed that there is NO excessive noise, stink or pollution generated. And the acceleration from a stop is better.
......The cost of an Electric may be greater than the cost of a gas golf cart - but, the cost of maintaining an electric is MUCH lower. Gasoline costs more than electricity and there is that wanted trip OFTEN to the gas station and the time spent to consider. Electric motors are a more reliable even today and will get better in the future - they have much less moving parts and parts moving in a SMOOTH circle and not a jarring, metal breaking back and forth, reciprocating motion. ........I will write about the long-term advantages of Electric vehicles IF and only if there is more interest in this subject and less one-sided comments.

Do you own golf cart?

[Topspinmo]

Also should suggest having a person drive 2-3 miles straight with the curtains down. I rarely use curtains. During heavy rainstorm, had curtains down and gas smell/fumes were noticeably higher. Had to wonder if this could cause carbon monoxide problem.

Then buy electric golf cart. Why torcher yourself.

[Topspinmo]

Finally, some positive clarity!

Nothing going to be cheaper in the future. Nothing.

[Topspinmo]

Also should suggest having a person drive 2-3 miles straight with the curtains down. I rarely use curtains. During heavy rainstorm, had curtains down and gas smell/fumes were noticeably higher. Had to wonder if this could cause carbon monoxide problem.


Is so there would be people lining the streets in the winter. You may be able to smell it but too much air flow to cause you to pass out and die.

Actually you’re not smelling Carbon monoxide (CM) it odorless and tasteless. What you’re smelling combustion process of internal engine which produces CM

[Michael G.]

Nothing going to be cheaper in the future. Nothing.

That's the truth.

Wake up people, the old days are gone.

Your dollar is worth less in one year then any time in the history of the world.
And the penny is still in circulation, amazing

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Yea, wait until they have to buy another Lithium battery, expensive! Electric transportation just to get 40 miles in a golf cart & maybe 150 miles in a new $80,000. car is a joke. Our country is starting to be a joke! Do what you want but not me!
I'm concerned we may not be alive long enough to see that day.

[rustyp]

I converted my 2019 Yamaha PTV to Lithium myself. I removed almost 400 lbs net (my cart had 8ea 6v batteries). The new battery w/ charger, delivered to my door, cost ~ $2700 in Oct 2021. It took me about 2.5 hours to convert it. Removed the old batteries, which were still fine, and easily sold them $50 each within a week. Cart is lighter, handles better, acceleration is waaayyy better and stops better with less weight. I live in the Pine Hills/Pine Ridge part of the villages, have gone up to Lopez for 18 holes and back home with NO concern at all. If you want to convert yours, send me a msg. I'd be happy to help...and no...I don't get commission. I've had 4 new Yamaha PTV's since 2017, both gas and electric, and don't see myself ever going back to gas.


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[MrFlorida]

I'm waiting for nuclear powered carts to come out.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The Star uses a 210ah battery good for at least 80 miles. It was $18, 300 a few months ago. for 2 passenger...About the same as EZGO Elite 4.2

My EZ Go Elite was $19,600 with all the upgrades. The base price was $16,395.

When I picked it up at The Villages Golf Cars in Brownwood in December, I looked at the Star and the salesman told me that they start at $22,000. I figured with the same upgrades it would be close to $25,000.

[tophcfa]

For Yamaha to say they the industry leader is BS. Evolution has a 180 ah battery and easily goes over 60 miles on a charge.
Replacement batteries are running under $2,000 and will be better and cheaper in the future.
Current experience life of Lithium batteries is well over 5 years.

Not BS, the Quiet-Tech is the golf cart industry leader.

[UpNorth]

Lithium is nice, but you've got to weigh the advantages over old-school flooded lead-acid batteries, which are far cheaper. Lead acid batteries weigh more and require watering (which I don't find to be a big hassle). You can also leave lithium for longer periods without the need for charging. No problem for lead-acid, with a battery minder or a neighbor to come in and run a charge once a month. And you can get 50 miles on a set of lead-acid batteries and they can last up to 5 years too, if you take care of them. And for the cost difference, you can replace lead acid batteries a couple of times. Lithium would be a good choice if it were equal in price to lead-acid.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

"Faster"? Isn't it throttled to a specific speed? Are you suggesting it goes slower with 2 people in it than 1?

Of course a golf cart will go slower with 2 people as opposed to one person. Every vehicle will go slower when more weight is added. It's not as noticeable in a car because of the power but fill the back of your car with bricks and you'l notice a difference.

Ask pilots about flying solo or with passengers. There's a big difference taking off in a Piper Warrior when you're alone opposed to when you have three passengers.

It may not be noticeable with your 80 pound grandson but when your 250 pound golf partner gets in, your cart will go a few mph slower.

[MDLNB]

I'm waiting for nuclear powered carts to come out.


Not too far away. They are building batteries consisting of man made diamonds that are exposed to nuclear radiation to give them their initial charge, which will last a very long time.

[MorTech]

Have you priced a set of lead-acids lately? But, yeah, they just work. LFP packs are getting better and cheaper every year. You should be getting about 15 years from a good LFP design.

[JoMar]

Have you priced a set of lead-acids lately? But, yeah, they just work. LFP packs are getting better and cheaper every year. You should be getting about 15 years from a good LFP design.

Who keeps a golf cart for 15 years...and why?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Who keeps a golf cart for 15 years...and why?
One of my carts is brand new and one is 19 years old.
The 19 yo is better 03 CC DS. I guess all those years have given it the soft ride I love.

[tophcfa]

Who keeps a golf cart for 15 years...and why?

Our Yamaha EFI is 8 years old and we plan to be using it for at least 10 more years. Why, it runs like it’s brand new, it’s customized the way we like it, it does everything we need a golf cart to do, and new carts are very expensive and I don’t like to waste $$.