Animals in Stores

[Michael G.]

Don't know if this was discussed here before, and yes, I love dogs.

What's your take on the public bringing your pets into restaurants, grocery stores, churches?
You can't tell me their all-service dogs and that stuff can be bought on Amazon.

Tell story:
My wife and I were standing in line at Lowes and a young man had his dog in his cart.
As he moved ahead to check out my wife notice a paddle of urine on the floor from his dog in the cart and people behind us were walking there it..

How can Florida's Sanitation Dept. allow this around all things public?

[Bogie Shooter]

I would have asked for manager…..to clean up the urine.

[triflex]

A Pit Bull walked in (with owner) in front of me at a Wal-Mart and had just enough time to pee all over some drinks stacked on the floor at the entrance. I alerted the employees and they never removed or even cleaned the drinks.

People at Sam's Club were also letting dogs ride around in the food carts.

I don't shop at Wal-Mart or Sam's Club.

If you or I rode around in a shopping cart naked they'd call in a hazmat team and put us in jail.

[BigSteph]

I don't like that people bring pets into stores. I don't know when this started, but I cannot believe people cannot be separated from a pet for a few hours.

I was in a Waffle House last month and a couple brought a dog in a stroller and sat at the table next to me.

The waitress immediately said that they couldn't do that. The couple threw a fit -- I frankly didn't appreciate the drama or the dog. Interestingly, the waitress wasn't arguing that the dog couldn't be in a tight-quartered Waffle House, she was trying to tell them that the policy was that the dog lay on the floor. Very sanitary indeed.

Shirts and shoes required, dogs are ok.

[Djean1981]

I LOVE dogs, but don't understand why they are in stores and restaurant areas. I would not expect everyone to love or even tolerate my pet. Often, the animals are very nervous and would be happy at home on the couch or their crate. Additionally, it is not appropriate or nice for the store employees to have to clean up urine.

[Fredster]

Just this afternoon I went into Hallmark shop
to pick up a birthday card and there is a guy in the aisle with his pooch on a 6-7ft leash.
The dog was wandering around while he was looking at cards,
and luckily nobody tripped over it!
Just thoughtless dog owners…simple as that!

[CFrance]

Don't know if this was discussed here before, and yes, I love dogs.

What's your take on the public bringing your pets into restaurants, grocery stores, churches?
You can't tell me their all-service dogs and that stuff can be bought on Amazon.

Tell story:
My wife and I were standing in line at Lowes and a young man had his dog in his cart.
As he moved ahead to check out my wife notice a paddle of urine on the floor from his dog in the cart and people behind us were walking there it..

How can Florida's Sanitation Dept. allow this around all things public?
There is no freaking way you "Don't know if this was discussed here before." All you had to do was a search on TOTV. You're just trying to stir up trouble. And yes, Lowes and Home Depot have allowed dogs in stores for at least 14 years. And I know this because I took my (this past Monday) departed Golden there as a puppy.


I hope you find some other story to tell.

[Fredster]

I would have asked for manager…..to clean up the urine.
Or maybe the manager, should have asked the dog owners to clean up the urine!

[BigSteph]

I am sorry for your loss. We had to put down our 15 year old Poodle. It takes months, if not longer to not mope about the loss.

The thread starter did not mean to offend you, nor was it personal as he/she didn't know about your loss.

The person wasn't trying to start something, but rather using his/her fellow Villagers as a sounding board for his/her own thoughts and feelings. I do the same thing, it is a way to mention something and find out how others feel. Sometimes I find myself in a minority view and I am forced to reconsider my reasoning.

Like the original poster, I happen to think pets should not be in stores. In no part of my opinion do I mean any ill will toward anyone or their pet.

If I started bringing my remaining dog to the family or sports pool, and others took my lead and brought their pets, and then we had dog swims, would anyone else have a right to disagree -- of course?

Again, sorry for your loss -- it sucks to lose a pet family member.




There is no freaking way you "Don't know if this was discussed here before." All you had to do was a search on TOTV. You're just trying to stir up trouble. And yes, Lowes and Home Depot have allowed dogs in stores for at least 14 years. And I know this because I took my (this past Monday) departed Golden there as a puppy.


I hope you find some other story to tell.

[JMintzer]

How many times are you going to post this thread?

[Bunny1]

Ordered lunch two days ago at McAllisters deli and went outside to sit at one of the tables waiting for lunch. A couple next to us had their dog sitting on a cushion and they were feeding him food from their plates. Dog was eating off table top (no plate). I thought wow would hate to be next guest eating at that table and sitting in dogs chair!

[JMintzer]

As I asked in the other thread, how do you know the "paddle" of urine was from the dog? :icon_wink:

[fdpaq0580]

I don't like that people bring pets into stores. I don't know when this started, but I cannot believe people cannot be separated from a pet for a few hours.

I was in a Waffle House last month and a couple brought a dog in a stroller and sat at the table next to me.

The waitress immediately said that they couldn't do that. The couple threw a fit -- I frankly didn't appreciate the drama or the dog. Interestingly, the waitress wasn't arguing that the dog couldn't be in a tight-quartered Waffle House, she was trying to tell them that the policy was that the dog lay on the floor. Very sanitary indeed.

Shirts and shoes required, dogs are ok.

Was a time when having a pampered pet was for the "well to do". Ordinary folks just owned a dog. The "well to do", or those who wanted to present themselves as such, would would drag little "precious" many places, much to the chagrin of other patrons. This made them feel special.
As to when did this started, ages ago. Watch an old episode of "The Thin Man" movie series. He is a private eye, she is very wealthy. They have a dog named "Asta" (found often in crossword puzzles) which they take everywhere. When the owner of an establishment objects, they stuff a wad of bills in his pocket and ,basically, tell him "don't make a fuss" and "go away", as if they are entitled treat others as lesser beings.
Nowadays, a lot of folks seem to have the this self entitled opinion that little "Phydoux" (pronounced "fido") should be welcomed and accommodated everywhere.
I have had several dogs and none of them ever needed to go to a restaurant with me.

[fdpaq0580]

As I asked in the other thread, how do you know the "paddle" of urine was from the dog? :icon_wink:

Video surveillance?
Dog's "winky" was wet and a sample was taken and tested against the sample from the "paddle". Tasted the same?
Don't want to blame a human. Let the dog take the rap?
I have no idea because I wasn't there.
😱

[Velvet]

There is no freaking way you "Don't know if this was discussed here before." All you had to do was a search on TOTV. You're just trying to stir up trouble. And yes, Lowes and Home Depot have allowed dogs in stores for at least 14 years. And I know this because I took my (this past Monday) departed Golden there as a puppy.


I hope you find some other story to tell.

Sorry to hear about your Goldie. Fourteen years is a nice time to have with them.

[kaydee]

ALL DOGS NEVER SHOULD BE IN SHOPPING CARTS. Most that we all see are the family pet & it needs to stay home. Legitimate Service Dogs are the exception & even those are to be leashed & not in a cart!!!

[banjobob]

My opinion leave your pets at home when shopping ,dining, at the squares, other crowded events.

[Petersweeney]

The only dogs that should be allowed anywhere are service dogs for the blind as per Federal Law - ADA Act. The rest of these emotional support dogs are a bunch of crap that people have taken advantage of for there own pathetic lives. If they can’t go shopping without the dog they should stay home or take their therapist with them. I’ve been a dog owner for 16 years and agree with the germaphobes on this one….chances are the dog has been to the dog park and we all know what’s in the dog park….I remember a post here last year where a lady said she washed her dog in the kitchen sink….gross…

[Lyarham]

I love dogs too but they should not be in food establishments Don't know if this was discussed here before, and yes, I love dogs.

What's your take on the public bringing your pets into restaurants, grocery stores, churches?
You can't tell me their all-service dogs and that stuff can be bought on Amazon.

Tell story:
My wife and I were standing in line at Lowes and a young man had his dog in his cart.
As he moved ahead to check out my wife notice a paddle of urine on the floor from his dog in the cart and people behind us were walking there it..

How can Florida's Sanitation Dept. allow this around all things public?

[Eg_cruz]

Good pet owners leave their dogs at home where they are safe…… especially during the summer
But if I had the Chevy cat I might have to take him out in public

[Worldseries27]

I just follow mr. T's advice.
" i pity the fool"

[36Aday]

It is very unsanitary to bring your animals into stores where there is food being served or sold. Additionally, what about people that have allergies.
My wife is highly allergic to animals suffers greatly when animals are nearby. Don't know if this was discussed here before, and yes, I love dogs.

What's your take on the public bringing your pets into restaurants, grocery stores, churches?
You can't tell me their all-service dogs and that stuff can be bought on Amazon.

Tell story:
My wife and I were standing in line at Lowes and a young man had his dog in his cart.
As he moved ahead to check out my wife notice a paddle of urine on the floor from his dog in the cart and people behind us were walking there it..

How can Florida's Sanitation Dept. allow this around all things public?

[Ralpha]

Now, that’s really scary!

[Gail simon]

Dogs do not belong in stores or restaurants!

[gemini5001]

I lived in Pennsylvania and owned and operated a deli/meat market.
By the Health Dept rules, no animals were allowed to enter any food establishment unless it was a seeing eye dog.
I see people here with their pets (particularly dogs) everywhere and it freaks me out to see them in food establishments.
The Health Bureau needs to clamp down on this sort of nonsense.

[MX rider]

My opinion leave your pets at home when shopping ,dining, at the squares, other crowded events.

I agree 100%. We just bought a winter home in TV. We both still work, for now. I'm a sales rep for a large food dist and I sell to mainly independant restaurants.
One of my best customers allows dogs in her Pub. My wife and I also like to eat there.
I hate it when there's dogs right near us when we're eating. I just think it's unsanitary and sometimes they can be annoying.

Quit treating them like people, they're animals.
Too many people think because they love their pets, everyone should.

Oh and btw, I have a black male and chocolate female lab. They're my buddies, but they're not going to any store, restaurant or event. Dogs belong at home, outdoors or at a dog park.

[thevillages2013]

As I asked in the other thread, how do you know the "paddle" of urine was from the dog? :icon_wink:

Depends

[gemini5001]

Dogs should not be allowed to enter Any food establishment PERIOD.
That is unsanitary and the Health Dept should not allow that.
The OP is NOT stirring trouble, YOU ARE !

[chenault55]

I totally agree with most of the posters with the exception of service dogs who are well trained to be with their owners in public for support. All other dogs should be left at home or with a care giver in my opinion which absolutely no one has to agree with.

[thevillages2013]

Don't know if this was discussed here before, and yes, I love dogs.

What's your take on the public bringing your pets into restaurants, grocery stores, churches?
You can't tell me their all-service dogs and that stuff can be bought on Amazon.

Tell story:
My wife and I were standing in line at Lowes and a young man had his dog in his cart.
As he moved ahead to check out my wife notice a paddle of urine on the floor from his dog in the cart and people behind us were walking there it..

How can Florida's Sanitation Dept. allow this around all things public?

That’s a good reason for you to have a cell phone. Take a picture of the puddle and share it with us and you could call the pee pee popo right from there:popcorn:

[airstreamingypsy]

There is no freaking way you "Don't know if this was discussed here before." All you had to do was a search on TOTV. You're just trying to stir up trouble. And yes, Lowes and Home Depot have allowed dogs in stores for at least 14 years. And I know this because I took my (this past Monday) departed Golden there as a puppy.


I hope you find some other story to tell.

Oh no, I am so sorry to hear you lost your beautiful Golden. I always like looking at your profile photo. As for this post, just another whiney dog post. So tedious. No wonder I like dogs more than people, they don't start whiney posts to stir up trouble.

[drducat]

I don't like that people bring pets into stores. I don't know when this started, but I cannot believe people cannot be separated from a pet for a few hours.

I was in a Waffle House last month and a couple brought a dog in a stroller and sat at the table next to me.

The waitress immediately said that they couldn't do that. The couple threw a fit -- I frankly didn't appreciate the drama or the dog. Interestingly, the waitress wasn't arguing that the dog couldn't be in a tight-quartered Waffle House, she was trying to tell them that the policy was that the dog lay on the floor. Very sanitary indeed.

Shirts and shoes required, dogs are ok.

Two Men are Walking their Dogs (a doberman and a chihuahua)

They’re getting hungry and decided to grab a bite at a nearby restaurant. At the entrance of the door, a large sign reads: “NO DOGS ALLOWED”.

The man with the doberman says, “I know what to do, just follow my lead.” He throws on a pair of sunglasses and walks in. The waiter points to the sign and says “I’m sorry sir, dogs are not allowed.” The man replies, “Oh, i’m blind and this is my guide dog.”

“A doberman for a guide dog?” The suspicious waiter asks.

“Yes, Dobermans are very loyal and protective. They’re born for the job” replied the man. The waiter sighs and leads the man to a table.

The second man throws on his sunglasses and walks in. The waiter tells him “I’m sorry sir, we don’t allow dogs here.” The man says “Oh, you don’t understand. I’m blind and this is my guide dog.”

“A chihuahua for a guide dog?” The annoyed waiter asks.

“A chihuahua?” The man asks. “They gave me a chihuahua?!”

[richb9v]

I am a dog owner and have had dogs in my life for 50 years. I was shocked by the habit of having dogs in food stores and other retail operations. This is something I have only seen since moving to Florida. I love my pet and will till we part company. I do not know what the Florid law states, but I wish people would keep their pets home and out of stores.

[mkjelenbaas]

There is no freaking way you "Don't know if this was discussed here before." All you had to do was a search on TOTV. You're just trying to stir up trouble. And yes, Lowes and Home Depot have allowed dogs in stores for at least 14 years. And I know this because I took my (this past Monday) departed Golden there as a puppy.


I hope you find some other story to tell.
Suggest that some people need to relax-just saying!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

To those talking about seeing eye dogs - they're called Service Animals now, because they're not just for the blind. They're also for people who suffer seizure disorders, anxiety attacks, or have other documented disabilities that can be mitigated with the help of a service animal. These service animals are specially trained to perform specific tasks.

"Comfort animals" are pets - nothing more or less.

The actual federal law, of the ADA, states that establishments must allow the disabled to bring their service animals into the establishment. The law does -not- require any licensing and in fact, there exists no such thing. You can buy "service animal" harnesses from Amazon, so even having an official looking harness is not proof that it's a service animal.

There are only two questions that a proprietor is legally allowed to ask:

1. IS that a service animal?
2. What tasks is your service animal trained to perform?

You're not allowed to ask what that animal does FOR that person. Only what it's trained to do, in general. This is to protect the disabled person from having to divulge what's wrong with them that they need a service animal. Their disability is not the proprietor's business, but the presence of the dog in the building is his business.

Because of this need to separate the protected medical information about the disabled from the status of the animal, a lot of people will bring their pets in, and insist that they are, in fact, "service animals" when they're nothing of the sort. And there's nothing the proprietor can legally do about it.

HOWEVER

The proprietor CAN restrict the animal's behavior:

"4 on the floor" is the standard. They must NOT be in shopping carts or strollers or in the person's arms. Four legs on the floor at all times.

They must be heeled. Meaning - they must not be allowed to wander at all - so no retractable leashes, period. No more than a 6' leash, and the animal must be either at the walker's side in touching distance, or directly in front of them while walking to lead the walker forward.

They must NOT sniff around anything, or bark, or whine, or be available for petting, or even wagging its tail. The animal MUST be "on duty." If it's not on duty, it doesn't belong in the store. Period.

The proprietor has the right to make the walker and their animal leave even if the animal IS on duty, performing specific tasks for the walker, IF that dog misbehaves.

And service animal or otherwise - the proprietor has every right to kick someone out if they put their animal in a shopping cart.

Those behaviors are not protected by the ADA. But proprietors know that this is a litigious society. If Karen brings Fluffy into a store in a shopping cart and is kicked out, Karen will have a lawyer giving the store grief, costing hours in wasted time, money that has to be set aside for a lawsuit (even if the proprietor wins, the money still has to be put aside), and a possible ding in their reputation if Karen's "side" of the story makes the news.

So proprietors will often just look away, unless the dog is causing a significant, active, destructive problem.

It's unfortunate, but such is the way of selfish entitled people who decide that rules are for everyone else but them, and dare anyone to call them out on it.

[Waltdisney4life]

Love the pets not the owners the owners need to be trained!

[Happytails057@gmail.com]

It’s not the dogs, it’s the owners. Just like people with small children, some are behaved some are not. In dogs some are trained, some are not. It’s the humans not the dogs.
A hotel manager once said, I’ve never had a dog stay in my hotel room that had a party and trash the room.
When I adopt a dog, I literally spend 6 months of constant training. All of my dogs were the most well behaved dogs out there.
So please don’t blame the dogs, blame the owners.

[Lindaws]

Pets belong at home NOT in our rest., stores, etc. We saw a cart with dog
poop,in it.

[srswans]

It is very unsanitary to bring your animals into stores where there is food being served or sold. Additionally, what about people that have allergies.
My wife is highly allergic to animals suffers greatly when animals are nearby.

I am allergic and suffer too. I wish the pet owners would consider this and the unsanitary aspects before bringing animals into the retail buildings.

[MX rider]

My opinion leave your pets at home when shopping ,dining, at the squares, other crowded events.

Pets belong at home NOT in our rest., stores, etc. We saw a cart with dog
poop,in it.

Exactly. News flash for dog owners ( I have 2). Most people do not like your dog as much as you do, and many people don't like dogs at all. Unlike many dog owners, I get this and leave my dogs at home.

[Larchap49]

There is no freaking way you "Don't know if this was discussed here before." All you had to do was a search on TOTV. You're just trying to stir up trouble. And yes, Lowes and Home Depot have allowed dogs in stores for at least 14 years. And I know this because I took my (this past Monday) departed Golden there as a puppy.


I hope you find some other story to tell.

I hope your just having a bad day and aren't living your life as the miserable person you came off as in your post. Lighten up. Also dogs should not be allowed in shopping g carts where others are going to put items especially food.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Also, dogs don't belong at the Squares when the bands are playing. This is incredibly cruel to the dog. A dog's hearing is around four times greater than ours. Imagine going to the square with hearing aides turned up to full blast, and standing right in front of the speaker, which is also turned up at full blast. Now imagine being tethered around the neck so you -cannot- leave that spot.

That's what you do to your dog when you bring him to the square to see Rocky and the Rollers.

"Oh but he just loves it!" you say, because the dog is chill and sits there and doesn't misbehave. No - he doesn't love it. He's overwhelmed. You're also damaging his hearing with that exposure - especially those of you who bring your dogs to the squares every week or even more often. You are DEsensitizing your dog by causing damage to his hearing.

[OhioBuckeye]

I know people love their pets, but really, do they really have to come into any store for the 15 or 20 mins. you are there. If I ever saw any animal urinate on the floor or anything else I would let the manager know I would never ever shop there again. Very unsanitary!

[defrey12]

@ CFrance…nothing personal, but the issue isn’t whether the stores ALLOW pets (dogs) in their stores—they shouldn’t due to cleanliness in our opinion. The issue is pet OWNERS who think the rest of us love your pet as much as you do. We don’t! Don’t get me wrong. We love dogs. OUR dog—had one for most of my 64 years on this rock. As one other poster pointed out, they’re much better off at home. Less stressful for EVERYONE.

[defrey12]

Fl says you can’t leave them in the car. For good reason. Like you, I wonder why they’re in the car in the first place. Unless you’re headed to the dog park.

[Bilyclub]

Ordered lunch two days ago at McAllisters deli and went outside to sit at one of the tables waiting for lunch. A couple next to us had their dog sitting on a cushion and they were feeding him food from their plates. Dog was eating off table top (no plate). I thought wow would hate to be next guest eating at that table and sitting in dogs chair!

McAllister's has a permit issued by Wildwood that allows dogs in the outdoor patio. State regulations state that dogs will not sit on chairs or eat off of tables.

[jbrown132]

Don't know if this was discussed here before, and yes, I love dogs.

What's your take on the public bringing your pets into restaurants, grocery stores, churches?
You can't tell me their all-service dogs and that stuff can be bought on Amazon.

Tell story:
My wife and I were standing in line at Lowes and a young man had his dog in his cart.
As he moved ahead to check out my wife notice a paddle of urine on the floor from his dog in the cart and people behind us were walking there it..

How can Florida's Sanitation Dept. allow this around all things public?
Love dogs, have one of my own but unless they are needed for some medical reason leave them home. Just because I love my dog doesn’t mean everyone else will. The don’t belong in stores and especially restaurants. They are pets.

[sallyg]

I am always pleased to see dogs in stores or restaurants - anywhere actually.

[Amelia50]

Not a problem. Europe does it

[nancyre]

Service animals YES -- other animals NO. I do not need exposure to your Dog because you can't leave it home. I have allergies I do not want your animal or your kid where I put my food or items. Kids belong in the seat not the basket. Animals belong at home.

[raney3099]

Don't know if this was discussed here before, and yes, I love dogs.

What's your take on the public bringing your pets into restaurants, grocery stores, churches?
You can't tell me their all-service dogs and that stuff can be bought on Amazon.

Tell story:
My wife and I were standing in line at Lowes and a young man had his dog in his cart.
As he moved ahead to check out my wife notice a paddle of urine on the floor from his dog in the cart and people behind us were walking there it..

How can Florida's Sanitation Dept. allow this around all things public?
Agree. I totally believe true service dogs should definitely be allowed anywhere. But 99% of these dogs are not. You can tell the behavior of a true service dog as compared to a household pet. You can buy those jackets that say service dog on the net. Also a service dog will not be urinating on the floor in stores, eating off of tables. They will quietly lay down next to the owner and not even look and react to anyone.

[Rose Ann Vinci Igoe]

it is really not about pets at stores or restaurants.... it's about the owner and their lack of. Not the pet's fault it pees, (should of been walked) or where it sits... that is the owner. I have seen fur babies in grocery carts, but the owner has him sitting on a pet bed or throw blanket. I like that... or let us go one step further... how about children, standing in grocery carts or sitting in the grocery carts, or people who open a bag off the shelf and eat out of it before paying or grabbing fruit and eating it from the shelves. we could go on and on. its all about people and what they feel is appropriate and ok.

[Jeffery M]

I have seen dogs in stores that were filthy and stunk. They probably had fleas. The owners were irresponsible and didn't take good care of them. They let the dogs wander all over the place. The dogs sniff plastic wrapped food packages and all other kinds of items. I wouldn't buy anything below a certain height because some dog may have touched it. It's unsanitary to have animals around food. They should be kept out of grocery stores and restaurants. Even seeing eye dogs shouldn't be allowed around places with food. Animals allowed on planes is crazy. I saw a video where a Shetland pony was allowed on a plane because he was an "emotional support animal". What if the plane hit turbulence and the horse panicked? People have been bitten on planes by someone's "emotional support animals". You don't want to pay hundreds of dollars for a plane ticket to have to listen to a dog bark in your ear or urinate on the floor in an enclosed environment. If you can't leave home to go eat or shop without an animal at your side then stay at home. Quit subjecting others with your selfishness. If you need something to give you emotional support when you leave home try taking something along called "a friend" or "a relative" with you. Society caters to the fringe too much.

[Regorp]

Don't know if this was discussed here before, and yes, I love dogs.

What's your take on the public bringing your pets into restaurants, grocery stores, churches?
You can't tell me their all-service dogs and that stuff can be bought on Amazon.

Tell story:
My wife and I were standing in line at Lowes and a young man had his dog in his cart.
As he moved ahead to check out my wife notice a paddle of urine on the floor from his dog in the cart and people behind us were walking there it..

How can Florida's Sanitation Dept. allow this around all things public?
Not a good idea. They pee and drop gifts as a natural function without thought. Seen it all at Walmart. Not in a restaurant or store, anywhere with food is unsanitary. Home Depot/Lowe's is fine with outdoor areas. Thanks!

[MX rider]

I have seen dogs in stores that were filthy and stunk. They probably had fleas. The owners were irresponsible and didn't take good care of them. They let the dogs wander all over the place. The dogs sniff plastic wrapped food packages and all other kinds of items. I wouldn't buy anything below a certain height because some dog may have touched it. It's unsanitary to have animals around food. They should be kept out of grocery stores and restaurants. Even seeing eye dogs shouldn't be allowed around places with food. Animals allowed on planes is crazy. I saw a video where a Shetland pony was allowed on a plane because he was an "emotional support animal". What if the plane hit turbulence and the horse panicked? People have been bitten on planes by someone's "emotional support animals". You don't want to pay hundreds of dollars for a plane ticket to have to listen to a dog bark in your ear or urinate on the floor in an enclosed environment. If you can't leave home to go eat or shop without an animal at your side then stay at home. Quit subjecting others with your selfishness. If you need something to give you emotional support when you leave home try taking something along called "a friend" or "a relative" with you. Society caters to the fringe too much.

Very well said!

[nn0wheremann]

A Pit Bull walked in (with owner) in front of me at a Wal-Mart and had just enough time to pee all over some drinks stacked on the floor at the entrance. I alerted the employees and they never removed or even cleaned the drinks.

People at Sam's Club were also letting dogs ride around in the food carts.

I don't shop at Wal-Mart or Sam's Club.

If you or I rode around in a shopping cart naked they'd call in a hazmat team and put us in jail.
If the day was warm and they left the animal in the car some Good Samaritan would have called the police and the owners would have been charged with animal cruelty.

Leave the dog at home.

[brianherlihy]

we were eating and a man and wife came in with a dog and sat right next to us we left and left all the food and just left

[MrFlorida]

Been debated many times before.

[Lchughart@gmail.com]

In simple terms, don’t see the need for people to bring their pets into restaurants or Walmarts are.

[Cheiro]

Dogs, cats and animals of any kind do not belong in a store and particularly do not belong in a restaurant. I can understand some of these "support animals (seeing-eye dogs especially trained for the purpose), but these support animals are suppose to be licensed and must display that license whenever they are in a store or restaurant. Otherwise, Fido must stay home. The recent arrogance of pet owners that their pet must be fostered off on everyone is quite ridiculous. You may love your pet,but the public doesn't. Animals in stores and restaurant is simply not sanitary. Kindly leave them home.



A Pit Bull walked in (with owner) in front of me at a Wal-Mart and had just enough time to pee all over some drinks stacked on the floor at the entrance. I alerted the employees and they never removed or even cleaned the drinks.

People at Sam's Club were also letting dogs ride around in the food carts.

I don't shop at Wal-Mart or Sam's Club.

If you or I rode around in a shopping cart naked they'd call in a hazmat team and put us in jail.

[ThirdOfFive]

In simple terms, don’t see the need for people to bring their pets into restaurants or Walmarts are.
I tend to agree with what appears to be the majority of the posters here. Service animals OK. But pets in stores and restaurants? Nope.

Still it is not always the pets. Ever eat at the Lighthouse Point Bar & Grille at Lake Sumter Landing? Nice outdoor dining but...every post is occupied by a sea bird, not facing the water but the diners. The smaller birds just seem to be doing flyby patrols. Heaven help you if you need to leave your table alone to use the biffy. They'll swoop down and help themselves. I've seen it where diners get up to leave and the birds have a (albeit short-lived) field day with the scraps. Birds as a rule are not toilet-trained critters so even though I haven't witnessed it there's a fighting chance that birds leave their "signature" on the tables on a pretty routine basis.

Of the two, birds and dogs, I think I prefer the dogs.

[retiredguy123]

I tend to agree with what appears to be the majority of the posters here. Service animals OK. But pets in stores and restaurants? Nope.

Still it is not always the pets. Ever eat at the Lighthouse Point Bar & Grille at Lake Sumter Landing? Nice outdoor dining but...every post is occupied by a sea bird, not facing the water but the diners. The smaller birds just seem to be doing flyby patrols. Heaven help you if you need to leave your table alone to use the biffy. They'll swoop down and help themselves. I've seen it where diners get up to leave and the birds have a (albeit short-lived) field day with the scraps. Birds as a rule are not toilet-trained critters so even though I haven't witnessed it there's a fighting chance that birds leave their "signature" on the tables on a pretty routine basis.

Of the two, birds and dogs, I think I prefer the dogs.
Biffy. I had to look it up.

[Janhug123]

I am a huge dog lover! However, out of respect for those who may not be or are allergic, I would NEVER take my dog into any public places.

[fdpaq0580]

I am a huge dog lover! However, out of respect for those who may not be or are allergic, I would NEVER take my dog into any public places.

Thank you for your respect for others and your compassion and understanding. It is very much appreciated.

[JMintzer]

Video surveillance?
Dog's "winky" was wet and a sample was taken and tested against the sample from the "paddle". Tasted the same?
Don't want to blame a human. Let the dog take the rap?
I have no idea because I wasn't there.
😱

Your humor meter needs an adjustment...

[Kares]

Don't know if this was discussed here before, and yes, I love dogs.

What's your take on the public bringing your pets into restaurants, grocery stores, churches?
You can't tell me their all-service dogs and that stuff can be bought on Amazon.

Tell story:
My wife and I were standing in line at Lowes and a young man had his dog in his cart.
As he moved ahead to check out my wife notice a paddle of urine on the floor from his dog in the cart and people behind us were walking there it..

How can Florida's Sanitation Dept. allow this around all things public?

In most of Europe dogs are welcome in stores and restaurants. Yes some dogs have piddled on a floor but a responsible pet owner comes prepared for this eventuality
I haven't personally had your experience but I can understand how you could be disturbed by it
Responsible pet owners allow their pets do do their business BEFORE going into a public place

[JMintzer]

The only dogs that should be allowed anywhere are service dogs for the blind as per Federal Law - ADA Act. The rest of these emotional support dogs are a bunch of crap that people have taken advantage of for there own pathetic lives. If they can’t go shopping without the dog they should stay home or take their therapist with them. I’ve been a dog owner for 16 years and agree with the germaphobes on this one….chances are the dog has been to the dog park and we all know what’s in the dog park….I remember a post here last year where a lady said she washed her dog in the kitchen sink….gross…

Aren't you Mr Happy... :ohdear:

[JMintzer]

Depends

Prezactly!!! :bigbow:

[fdpaq0580]

Dogs should not be allowed to enter Any food establishment PERIOD.
That is unsanitary and the Health Dept should not allow that.
The OP is NOT stirring trouble, YOU ARE !

Agree. Plus, you can be sure this topic is going to reappear on a regular basis as many need to be reminded that dogs are not universally accepted everywhere.

[JMintzer]

Dogs should not be allowed to enter Any food establishment PERIOD.
That is unsanitary and the Health Dept should not allow that.
The OP is NOT stirring trouble, YOU ARE !

It's up the the particular establishment... PERIOD.

[JMintzer]

I'm allergic to the cheap perfume that many women douse themselves in...

Should they be banned?

[davem4616]

as a culture we seem to have moved to a place where 'freedom' can be interpreted as being able to do whatever you damn well please, regardless

and if you dare to question selfish or rogue behavior....the bullies shout you down

interesting how our values have shifted in the last few decades

just saying

[MX rider]

I have seen dogs in stores that were filthy and stunk. They probably had fleas. The owners were irresponsible and didn't take good care of them. They let the dogs wander all over the place. The dogs sniff plastic wrapped food packages and all other kinds of items. I wouldn't buy anything below a certain height because some dog may have touched it. It's unsanitary to have animals around food. They should be kept out of grocery stores and restaurants. Even seeing eye dogs shouldn't be allowed around places with food. Animals allowed on planes is crazy. I saw a video where a Shetland pony was allowed on a plane because he was an "emotional support animal". What if the plane hit turbulence and the horse panicked? People have been bitten on planes by someone's "emotional support animals". You don't want to pay hundreds of dollars for a plane ticket to have to listen to a dog bark in your ear or urinate on the floor in an enclosed environment. If you can't leave home to go eat or shop without an animal at your side then stay at home. Quit subjecting others with your selfishness. If you need something to give you emotional support when you leave home try taking something along called "a friend" or "a relative" with you. Society caters to the fringe too much.

I'm allergic to the cheap perfume that many women douse themselves in...

Should they be banned?

But they don't pee or crap on the floor/ground whenever they have the urge. They're animals not people. Thats why they make dog parks. Stop assuming everyone likes your dog.

[CosmicTrucker]

ALL DOGS NEVER SHOULD BE IN SHOPPING CARTS. Most that we all see are the family pet & it needs to stay home. Legitimate Service Dogs are the exception & even those are to be leashed & not in a cart!!!

I bet you have no problem pushing around a shopping cart that just had someone's poopy diaper kid riding around in it, but a dog is off-limits.

[MX rider]

I bet you have no problem pushing around a shopping cart that just had someone's poopy diaper kid riding around in it, but a dog is off-limits.

Child=human Dog=animal. Big difference, but too many dog owners can't make the distinction.

I love my 2 labs, but they're dogs!

[fdpaq0580]

Your humor meter needs an adjustment...

Your diagnosis of one is duly noted and will be scrutinized by a team of professionals as seen fit by same.

[Geodyssey]

Don't know if this was discussed here before, and yes, I love dogs...

LOL, sure.

[Garywt]

I hate seeing dogs in stores and restaurants. Like others op have said why and when did this become acceptable. Our dog stays home if we are shopping or eating out or one of us stays with her while the other goes in. I understand the hot car issue but people can plan better.

[Brynnie]

Don't know if this was discussed here before, and yes, I love dogs.

What's your take on the public bringing your pets into restaurants, grocery stores, churches?
You can't tell me their all-service dogs and that stuff can be bought on Amazon.

Tell story:
My wife and I were standing in line at Lowes and a young man had his dog in his cart.
As he moved ahead to check out my wife notice a paddle of urine on the floor from his dog in the cart and people behind us were walking there it..

How can Florida's Sanitation Dept. allow this around all things public?

Animals don't belong in restaurants and grocery stores--or anywhere there is food being sold or served. It's disgusting to think urine (or worse, feces) would be found in any establishment like this. It should be illegal and owners should be held responsible with hefty fines.

[nevjudbaker]

Don't know if this was discussed here before, and yes, I love dogs.

What's your take on the public bringing your pets into restaurants, grocery stores, churches?
You can't tell me their all-service dogs and that stuff can be bought on Amazon.

Tell story:
My wife and I were standing in line at Lowes and a young man had his dog in his cart.
As he moved ahead to check out my wife notice a paddle of urine on the floor from his dog in the cart and people behind us were walking there it..

How can Florida's Sanitation Dept. allow this around all things public?
If they are in their own wagon, stroller or pouch it should not be an issue. However walking along the floor on a leash could be an issue. They should not be in grocery carts or walking on the floor. I only take my dog in to a grocery store when I need to pick up a few things while we are out running errands. She sits in her stroller quietly & doesn’t bother anyone unlike screaming kids & some running up & down the aisles. If everyone would be considerate of others no one would be complaining unless it is a chronic complainer who finds anything & everything to complain about. My opinion is if it is not doing anything to bother me than why not let them be there.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Dogs, cats and animals of any kind do not belong in a store and particularly do not belong in a restaurant. I can understand some of these "support animals (seeing-eye dogs especially trained for the purpose), but these support animals are suppose to be licensed and must display that license whenever they are in a store or restaurant. Otherwise, Fido must stay home. The recent arrogance of pet owners that their pet must be fostered off on everyone is quite ridiculous. You may love your pet,but the public doesn't. Animals in stores and restaurant is simply not sanitary. Kindly leave them home.

They're called "service animals" not "support animals" and there exists no recognized licensing for them.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

In most of Europe dogs are welcome in stores and restaurants. Yes some dogs have piddled on a floor but a responsible pet owner comes prepared for this eventuality
I haven't personally had your experience but I can understand how you could be disturbed by it
Responsible pet owners allow their pets do do their business BEFORE going into a public place

Responsible pet owners RESPECT the establishments they're visiting, and if there's a sign that says "service animals only" or "no pets allowed" they respect and abide by it. That's one of the criteria for being a *responsible* pet owner.

[jimjamuser]

I am sorry for your loss. We had to put down our 15 year old Poodle. It takes months, if not longer to not mope about the loss.

The thread starter did not mean to offend you, nor was it personal as he/she didn't know about your loss.

The person wasn't trying to start something, but rather using his/her fellow Villagers as a sounding board for his/her own thoughts and feelings. I do the same thing, it is a way to mention something and find out how others feel. Sometimes I find myself in a minority view and I am forced to reconsider my reasoning.

Like the original poster, I happen to think pets should not be in stores. In no part of my opinion do I mean any ill will toward anyone or their pet.

If I started bringing my remaining dog to the family or sports pool, and others took my lead and brought their pets, and then we had dog swims, would anyone else have a right to disagree -- of course?

Again, sorry for your loss -- it sucks to lose a pet family member.
Dog swims would be a bad idea for many reasons, like that the shedding dog hair would clog the pool filters. And some people are allergic to animal hair. The dogs might like a lake better.

[Fredster]

I bet you have no problem pushing around a shopping cart that just had someone's poopy diaper kid riding around in it, but a dog is off-limits.

Now that’s a really funny rationalization, as if there are
so many diapered kids riding around in shopping carts in The Villages!

[brianherlihy]

dont pay the bill just leave and let the dog eat it and pay the bill

[PugMom]

i love animals! always have & always will. they surround me in life, past employment, social activities & family gatherings. i enjoy the opportunity to see a furry or feathered (or scaley) face whenever possible, no matter where it may be. :shocked::faint:

[Michael G.]

So we all agree, keep your #$%^&*()_)(*&^%$# dogs at home

[DaleDivine]

But they don't pee or crap on the floor/ground whenever they have the urge. They're animals not people. Thats why they make dog parks. Stop assuming everyone likes your dog.

I wish the people that walk the dogs through my yards knew about dog parks in TV..

:bigbow::bigbow:

[Bilyclub]

It's up the the particular establishment... PERIOD.



No it's not. It's against Florida Law to bring a non-service dog inside. Local jurisdictions can issue permits for outside areas.

[Bilyclub]

I'm allergic to the cheap perfume that many women douse themselves in...

Should they be banned?


There goes your weak argument, again. You can't compare animals to humans.

[JSR22]

No it's not. It's against Florida Law to bring a non-service dog inside. Local jurisdictions can issue permits for outside areas.

I agree animals should not be inside supermarkets or restaurants. I see no problems with dogs in outside seating at restaurants. Other businesses it is up to the owners. Dogs are permitted inside of Home Depot, Lowes and a number of boutiques.

[fdpaq0580]

Now that’s a really funny rationalization, as if there are
so many diapered kids riding around in shopping carts in The Villages!

Pretty sure that all the grocery stores are accessible to the general, so the possibility of in carts is certainly there. I do have to say that dogs in carts or walking in the store seems to greatly outnumber kids.

[fdpaq0580]

i love animals! always have & always will. they surround me in life, past employment, social activities & family gatherings. i enjoy the opportunity to see a furry or feathered (or scaley) face whenever possible, no matter where it may be. :shocked::faint:

Sorry to break it to you, but not everyone agrees. Many of those people have very good reasons for their point of view, reasons every bit as valid as any other.

[fdpaq0580]

I tend to agree with what appears to be the majority of the posters here. Service animals OK. But pets in stores and restaurants? Nope.

Still it is not always the pets. Ever eat at the Lighthouse Point Bar & Grille at Lake Sumter Landing? Nice outdoor dining but...every post is occupied by a sea bird, not facing the water but the diners. The smaller birds just seem to be doing flyby patrols. Heaven help you if you need to leave your table alone to use the biffy. They'll swoop down and help themselves. I've seen it where diners get up to leave and the birds have a (albeit short-lived) field day with the scraps. Birds as a rule are not toilet-trained critters so even though I haven't witnessed it there's a fighting chance that birds leave their "signature" on the tables on a pretty routine basis.

Of the two, birds and dogs, I think I prefer the dogs.

Sitting outside is always a gamble. Outright attacks on your food, parcels, your person, your pets can happen. Birds (large, small or medium sized), animals ( from insects on up). More than once had a dog on a long lead snatch food off our table when owner was not paying attention.

[fdpaq0580]

Aren't you Mr Happy... :ohdear:

Nah! Mister clean and sensible!

[fdpaq0580]

I'm allergic to the cheap perfume that many women douse themselves in...

Should they be banned?

Yes! Along with stinky men!!

[JMintzer]

But they don't pee or crap on the floor/ground whenever they have the urge. They're animals not people. Thats why they make dog parks. Stop assuming everyone likes your dog.

You must not read this site... There have been more than a few threads about PEOPLE doing just that... Especially on the golf courses...

Stop assuming I like people... :icon_wink:

[JMintzer]

Yes! Along with stinky men!!

Agreed...

[JMintzer]

I bet you have no problem pushing around a shopping cart that just had someone's poopy diaper kid riding around in it, but a dog is off-limits.

Stop being logical!

[JMintzer]

Child=human Dog=animal. Big difference, but too many dog owners can't make the distinction.

I love my 2 labs, but they're dogs!

Poop = Poop...

[JMintzer]

Your diagnosis of one is duly noted and will be scrutinized by a team of professionals as seen fit by same.

A am a professional... I have a degree in humor and a master's in sarcasm...

[JMintzer]

Dog swims would be a bad idea for many reasons, like that the shedding dog hair would clog the pool filters. And some people are allergic to animal hair. The dogs might like a lake better.

I've seen a few "woolly mammoths" at the pool who could easily clog a filter...

CaddyShack Pool Or Pond - YouTube (https://youtu.be/9tFNbncymjY)

[JMintzer]

I agree animals should not be inside supermarkets or restaurants. I see no problems with dogs in outside seating at restaurants. Other businesses it is up to the owners. Dogs are permitted inside of Home Depot, Lowes and a number of boutiques.

More logic and reason... I sense a disturbance in the Force...

[JMintzer]

Now that’s a really funny rationalization, as if there are
so many diapered kids riding around in shopping carts in The Villages!

Probably as many as the dogs who are actually in shopping carts in grocery stores...

[JMintzer]

So we all agree, keep your #$%^&*()_)(*&^%$# dogs at home

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[JMintzer]

No it's not. It's against Florida Law to bring a non-service dog inside. Local jurisdictions can issue permits for outside areas.

Pretty sure common sense says we're talking about outside dining...

I have NEVER seen anyone with a non-service animal INSIDE...

[JMintzer]

There goes your weak argument, again. You can't compare animals to humans.

True. Most animals are better than many humans...

[JMintzer]

Sorry to break it to you, but not everyone agrees. Many of those people have very good reasons for their point of view, reasons every bit as valid as any other.

Not according to this poster...

So we all agree, keep your #$%^&*()_)(*&^%$# dogs at home

[fdpaq0580]

Poop = Poop...

😃😃😃👍👍👍💩💩💩

[fdpaq0580]

A am a professional... I have a degree in humor and a master's in sarcasm...

Sorry! I out qualify you. I was a village idiot! So there!

😏

[juddfl]

I am allergic to animal dander. It is tiny flakes from their skin that floats in the air. It is like dandruff in humans, but much harder to see. For most people this is not a problem, but for me it could bring on an asthma attach. Animal dander, not animal hair, is so fine that it gets into the bronchial tubes and causes asthma. If I'm confined to a small area, such an an air plane, I could have a serious problem. I once had a problem on a plane trip from a dog that was next to me. I went to the stewardess and they had me move to the rear of the plane. By then I was wheezing from the dander. The owner of the dog never knew why I moved. Besides, what could I do up in the sky. It can be difficult for someone that is extremely allergic.

[Bilyclub]

The only restaurants in Wildwood that have permits to allow dogs on their patios are the following:

Square 1 Burgers
World of Beers
McAlister's
The Sunny Pint
Darrell's Diner on Burnsed Blvd

The only restaurants in Sumter County that have permits:

Johnny Rockets
Cody's LSL
Sonrise Cafe on Wedgewood, They didn't say if Darrell's Diner was grandfathered in.

[Snprentice]

No pets in stores, restaurants, or any other building where people will be patronizing. Pets have no control of when to go to bathroom so no pets allowed.

[JMintzer]

Sorry! I out qualify you. I was a village idiot! So there!

😏

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[JMintzer]

Pets have no control of when to go to bathroom so no pets allowed.

I have the same problem after eating Indian food...

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[Luggage]

There are some people that have disabilities such as anxiety that the dogs help having around. There are also dogs that test for diabetics by their smell. So basically under the Ada act they are allowed virtually everywhere unless you want to bring your porcupine or ostrich on board the airplane with you. Life is imperfect. You have to live with what laws we have and of course yes as you pointed out yourself get food delivery if you don't like dogs in the stores or at least carry around the whole roll of paper towels and antiseptic wipes

[Luggage]

Actually most pets have better control than 65-year-old men with prostate issues

[Debra Freeman]

I think it’s generally overlooked in The Villages as stores want shoppers. Having said that one can get a “Service Pet” distinction on the internet for any reason and without a doctor’s note/script.

I am appalled at dogs in restaurants.

[willieboy2110]

i hold my yorkie when im in the store

[Keith1911]

I don't mind them, kind of like it. Never seen one leak in the store, not saying it doesn't happen. I have seen a few leaky adult diapers though...

[Mlogan22@tampabay.rr.com]

Pugmom , your my kind of people

[sdm1222]

To those talking about seeing eye dogs - they're called Service Animals now, because they're not just for the blind. They're also for people who suffer seizure disorders, anxiety attacks, or have other documented disabilities that can be mitigated with the help of a service animal. These service animals are specially trained to perform specific tasks.

"Comfort animals" are pets - nothing more or less.

The actual federal law, of the ADA, states that establishments must allow the disabled to bring their service animals into the establishment. The law does -not- require any licensing and in fact, there exists no such thing. You can buy "service animal" harnesses from Amazon, so even having an official looking harness is not proof that it's a service animal.

There are only two questions that a proprietor is legally allowed to ask:

1. IS that a service animal?
2. What tasks is your service animal trained to perform?

You're not allowed to ask what that animal does FOR that person. Only what it's trained to do, in general. This is to protect the disabled person from having to divulge what's wrong with them that they need a service animal. Their disability is not the proprietor's business, but the presence of the dog in the building is his business.

Because of this need to separate the protected medical information about the disabled from the status of the animal, a lot of people will bring their pets in, and insist that they are, in fact, "service animals" when they're nothing of the sort. And there's nothing the proprietor can legally do about it.

HOWEVER

The proprietor CAN restrict the animal's behavior:

"4 on the floor" is the standard. They must NOT be in shopping carts or strollers or in the person's arms. Four legs on the floor at all times.

They must be heeled. Meaning - they must not be allowed to wander at all - so no retractable leashes, period. No more than a 6' leash, and the animal must be either at the walker's side in touching distance, or directly in front of them while walking to lead the walker forward.

They must NOT sniff around anything, or bark, or whine, or be available for petting, or even wagging its tail. The animal MUST be "on duty." If it's not on duty, it doesn't belong in the store. Period.

The proprietor has the right to make the walker and their animal leave even if the animal IS on duty, performing specific tasks for the walker, IF that dog misbehaves.

And service animal or otherwise - the proprietor has every right to kick someone out if they put their animal in a shopping cart.

Those behaviors are not protected by the ADA. But proprietors know that this is a litigious society. If Karen brings Fluffy into a store in a shopping cart and is kicked out, Karen will have a lawyer giving the store grief, costing hours in wasted time, money that has to be set aside for a lawsuit (even if the proprietor wins, the money still has to be put aside), and a possible ding in their reputation if Karen's "side" of the story makes the news.

So proprietors will often just look away, unless the dog is causing a significant, active, destructive problem.

It's unfortunate, but such is the way of selfish entitled people who decide that rules are for everyone else but them, and dare anyone to call them out on it.
Long replies bore Readers.

[OhioBuckeye]

I LOVE dogs, but don't understand why they are in stores and restaurant areas. I would not expect everyone to love or even tolerate my pet. Often, the animals are very nervous and would be happy at home on the couch or their crate. Additionally, it is not appropriate or nice for the store employees to have to clean up urine.

Djean1981, your comment was very well put. We had a Toy Poodle but when she died we decide not to get another pet because I didn’t feel we were fair to the dog to board her or ask family to watch her, so we didn’t get another pet. You were right about you don’t ask a store employee to clean up after your pet, who cleans up after their pet at home or do they just leave it lie like maybe they do at home. Employees aren’t being paid to clean up after dogs. That terribly unsanitary! Some people don’t love your pet or they would have one. Leave them at home, they’ll be alright until you get home.

[donfey]

Don't know if this was discussed here before, and yes, I love dogs.

What's your take on the public bringing your pets into restaurants, grocery stores, churches?
You can't tell me their all-service dogs and that stuff can be bought on Amazon.

Tell story:
My wife and I were standing in line at Lowes and a young man had his dog in his cart.
As he moved ahead to check out my wife notice a paddle of urine on the floor from his dog in the cart and people behind us were walking there it..

How can Florida's Sanitation Dept. allow this around all things public?

IMO, people who take their dogs into restaurants or grocery stores are, at best, rude. Anyone who would allow their pet to urinate in a store is rude and crude.

We, who see it and say nothing, are stupid. These buffoons need to be confronted, loudly. Stores and store managers who allow it should be boycotted.

[donfey]

There is no freaking way you "Don't know if this was discussed here before." All you had to do was a search on TOTV. You're just trying to stir up trouble. And yes, Lowes and Home Depot have allowed dogs in stores for at least 14 years. And I know this because I took my (this past Monday) departed Golden there as a puppy.


I hope you find some other story to tell.

This issue SHOULD be stirred up. Leave your damn dog in the car, or stay home with it.

[MX rider]

This issue SHOULD be stirred up. Leave your damn dog in the car, or stay home with it.

Short and to the point. Well said!

[Djean1981]

I had a Winnie-Poo that lived for 18 years. She looked like a stuffed animal. Very loveable, but very easily stressed out, emotionally. I feel bad for the dogs at the squares with the crowds, music, kids running ...

[shortstack]

I would have asked for manager…..to clean up the urine.

Why should a store employee have to clean that mess up. The dog owner should have asked for some paper towels, then clean it up. Better yet, leave the dog at home.

[fdpaq0580]

This issue SHOULD be stirred up. Leave your damn dog in the car, or stay home with it.

I agree that this subject needs to be brought up regularly so people don't forget that many are, at best, not pleased to be around dogs in certain situations. However, I believe that the word "damn" in your second sentence is misplaced. It should be used in reference, not to the dog, but to certain owners.

[airstreamingypsy]

I hope your just having a bad day and aren't living your life as the miserable person you came off as in your post. Lighten up. Also dogs should not be allowed in shopping g carts where others are going to put items especially food.

But you are okay with kids with dirty diapers in shopping carts?

[Worldseries27]

don't know if this was discussed here before, and yes, i love dogs.

What's your take on the public bringing your pets into restaurants, grocery stores, churches?
You can't tell me their all-service dogs and that stuff can be bought on amazon.

Tell story:
My wife and i were standing in line at lowes and a young man had his dog in his cart.
As he moved ahead to check out my wife notice a paddle of urine on the floor from his dog in the cart and people behind us were walking there it..

How can florida's sanitation dept. Allow this around all things public?
i'm all for dog lovers having the right to bring their animals into stores so long as all their personal doctors and staff can bring theirs into all of their medical treatment rooms
eg
heart surgery
liver & kindney surgery
dental treatments
etc

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

i hold my yorkie when im in the store

As long as you're not going into a store that has a sign on the window that says "no pets" or "service animals only" then you're fine.

If you bring your yorkie into a store that does have those signs, then you are making a conscious decision to show disrespect for the store, and all of its customers.

On-duty service animals are not held in the arms of their humans. They are leashed, on the floor, heeled at all times.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

IMO, people who take their dogs into restaurants or grocery stores are, at best, rude. Anyone who would allow their pet to urinate in a store is rude and crude.

We, who see it and say nothing, are stupid. These buffoons need to be confronted, loudly. Stores and store managers who allow it should be boycotted.

Many store managers are ordered to NOT do anything about it, unless the animal is behaving badly. They CAN do something about it if the dog is barking, or if it's off-leash, or if it's in a shopping cart. That is unacceptable behavior.

If the dog is heeling, and leashed, with "4 on the floor" and not snorting around the cereal boxes in aisle 7, then the store manager *cannot* do anything about it, because they are NOT allowed to demand proof that the animal is a service animal. That is the law.

An unfortunate law, but the law nonetheless.

[fdpaq0580]

I had a Winnie-Poo that lived for 18 years. She looked like a stuffed animal. Very loveable, but very easily stressed out, emotionally. I feel bad for the dogs at the squares with the crowds, music, kids running ...

Many dogs, especially small dogs, have anxiety issues. They live in a world of giants that take them places and expose them to loud noises, bright lights, confusing activity, strange sights, sounds, smells, etc. They would be happier at home in their safe zone.
Sadly, people use these same poor dogs for "emotional support", heaping their own anxiety onto the already overwhelmed helpless little dog.
Have anxiety? There is medicine for that. Take a "chill pill" or carry a teddy bear. Don't lose your emotional problems on a helpless little dog. That is like telling your 5 year old not only to worry about tying his shoes, but to worry about paying the mortgage while he is at it.

[Michael G.]

they are NOT allowed to demand proof that the animal is a service animal. That is the law.

An unfortunate law, but the law nonetheless.


Who would even attempt to put this into a law not to demand proof??
Stupid

[Speedie]

Don't know if this was discussed here before, and yes, I love dogs.

What's your take on the public bringing your pets into restaurants, grocery stores, churches?
You can't tell me their all-service dogs and that stuff can be bought on Amazon.

Tell story:
My wife and I were standing in line at Lowes and a young man had his dog in his cart.
As he moved ahead to check out my wife notice a paddle of urine on the floor from his dog in the cart and people behind us were walking there it..

How can Florida's Sanitation Dept. allow this around all things public?

Rather have a nice dog in a store or in cart seat, than a kid with a leaking dirty diaper that had been in my grocery cart, or a kid running through the grocery isles opening and tasting the foods or licking the ice creams.
BTW. Lowes is not a food establishment.

[Bellavita]

Well trained dogs are wonderful. It\f a dog is well behaved in the restaurant fine, grocery not so much. Just not sanitary. If a dog wets in any of the questioned environments they are not well trained dogs. So NO

Don't know if this was discussed here before, and yes, I love dogs.

What's your take on the public bringing your pets into restaurants, grocery stores, churches?
You can't tell me their all-service dogs and that stuff can be bought on Amazon.

Tell story:
My wife and I were standing in line at Lowes and a young man had his dog in his cart.
As he moved ahead to check out my wife notice a paddle of urine on the floor from his dog in the cart and people behind us were walking there it..

How can Florida's Sanitation Dept. allow this around all things public?

[Bellavita]

Also, dogs belong on the floor, well trained dogs are on the floor at all times, not in the cart and not at a chair at the table. Dogs on the floor.

that would be a well trained dog.


Well trained dogs are wonderful. It\f a dog is well behaved in the restaurant fine, grocery not so much. Just not sanitary. If a dog wets in any of the questioned environments they are not well trained dogs. So NO

[fdpaq0580]

Well trained dogs are wonderful. It\f a dog is well behaved in the restaurant fine, grocery not so much. Just not sanitary. If a dog wets in any of the questioned environments they are not well trained dogs. So NO

Agree that well trained dogs are wonderful. Problem is that you, as a patron just beginning your wonderful and expensive anniversary meal don't know when the dog comes in to the room if it is well trained. For many, their special meal was just ruined as surely as if an old out of shape nudist with leaky plumbing walked in the door. Sorry about the graphic imagery, but to many the sight of a dog in stores, grocery, restaurants is that level of grossness. Do everyone a favor, including the dog, and leave it home.

[Michael G.]

This issue SHOULD be stirred up. Leave your damn dog in the car, or stay home with it.

FINALLY someone who gets it.:boom:

[thevillages2013]

Don't know if this was discussed here before, and yes, I love dogs.

What's your take on the public bringing your pets into restaurants, grocery stores, churches?
You can't tell me their all-service dogs and that stuff can be bought on Amazon.

Tell story:
My wife and I were standing in line at Lowes and a young man had his dog in his cart.
As he moved ahead to check out my wife notice a paddle of urine on the floor from his dog in the cart and people behind us were walking there it..

How can Florida's Sanitation Dept. allow this around all things public?

Could have been a leaky Mountain Dew bottle in the cart. Did they have sodas in the cart? :popcorn:

[t&akea]

I, too, love dogs but I have a few “pet” peeves…they should not be in grocery store carts where food is placed. I also don’t understand why people take dogs on long leashes to outdoor events where there are wall-to-wall people. Dangerous situation.

[Topspinmo]

Don't know if this was discussed here before, and yes, I love dogs.

What's your take on the public bringing your pets into restaurants, grocery stores, churches?
You can't tell me their all-service dogs and that stuff can be bought on Amazon.

Tell story:
My wife and I were standing in line at Lowes and a young man had his dog in his cart.
As he moved ahead to check out my wife notice a paddle of urine on the floor from his dog in the cart and people behind us were walking there it..
How can Florida's Sanitation Dept. allow this around all things public?

I said it before and I say it 1000 times more. IMO NO and I mean NO pets allowed in stores other than seeing eye dogs and pet stores. And no you dog don’t need to go with shopping at lowes or Home Depot. Yes I have dog and never ������ take my dog shopping. The only business she goes to veterinary appointment.

[Vermilion Villager]

Can someone provide the local government exemption to FL Statute 509.233 Public food service establishment requirements; local exemption for dogs in designated outdoor portions.—
If there is no exemption then dogs that are not trained service dogs cannot enter businesses.:welcome:

[JMintzer]

I, too, love dogs but I have a few “pet” peeves…they should not be in grocery store carts where food is placed. I also don’t understand why people take dogs on long leashes to outdoor events where there are wall-to-wall people. Dangerous situation.

I've never seen a dog in a grocery store. Lowe's and Home Depot? Yes, more than a few times, with zero issues...

[JMintzer]

I said it before and I say it 1000 times more. IMO NO and I mean NO pets allowed in stores other than seeing eye dogs and pet stores. And no you dog don’t need to go with shopping at lowes or Home Depot. Yes I have dog and never ������ take my dog shopping. The only business she goes to veterinary appointment.

You know what they say about opinions...

[Topspinmo]

I've never seen a dog in a grocery store. Lowe's and Home Depot? Yes, more than a few times, with zero issues...


So, you don’t do shopping?

[Topspinmo]

You know what they say about opinions...

Yes, I have opinion of this opinion.

[Topspinmo]

I have opinion, the only service dog allowed in any business other than vets or dog store are true service dogs for the blind. :welcome::ho:

[JMintzer]

So, you don’t do shopping?

All the time. My comment stands...

[JMintzer]

///Not worth the vacation...

[Topspinmo]

All the time. My comment stands...


So, you’re in store all opening hours? I rarely shop and I see dogs in store.

[Topspinmo]

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I’m not worried. :)

[JMintzer]

So, you’re in store all opening hours? I rarely shop and I see dogs in store.

In the grocery store? Sure...

[Lonnieme2]

For some reason I thought that everyone in the Villages loves dogs, or maybe I wanted to believe this. The times that my husband and I have visited, dogs seem to be everywhere. Seeing them is uplifting and makes me smile. So many people posting on this forum are phobic that a dog in a shopping cart or sitting at a restaurant table will bring great disease. I am an inspector and if you only knew what you eat at any restaurant, including those that you think are clean, you would definitely eat at home from now on.
Even then, if you knew what is in some of those grocery store bought foods or the filthy conditions the animals you eat are raised in or how they are processed... Oh my God!... You would plant your own vegetable garden and only eat from it.
The dogs that are out and about are the least of your worries.


Don't know if this was discussed here before, and yes, I love dogs.

What's your take on the public bringing your pets into restaurants, grocery stores, churches?
You can't tell me their all-service dogs and that stuff can be bought on Amazon.

Tell story:
My wife and I were standing in line at Lowes and a young man had his dog in his cart.
As he moved ahead to check out my wife notice a paddle of urine on the floor from his dog in the cart and people behind us were walking there it..

How can Florida's Sanitation Dept. allow this around all things public?

[BigSteph]

Well said. I like the snark.


i'm all for dog lovers having the right to bring their animals into stores so long as all their personal doctors and staff can bring theirs into all of their medical treatment rooms
eg
heart surgery
liver & kindney surgery
dental treatments
etc

[BigSteph]

I honestly have seen it inside restaurants -- Waffle House and Cracker Barrel.

Pretty sure common sense says we're talking about outside dining...

I have NEVER seen anyone with a non-service animal INSIDE...

[BigSteph]

I've not seen a human void himself/herself in a store. I've not seen a human defecate himself/herself in a store. If I ever do see this, I will have compassion for this human.

Pets are not essential for shopping.

I don't mind them, kind of like it. Never seen one leak in the store, not saying it doesn't happen. I have seen a few leaky adult diapers though...

[BigSteph]

I genuinely love your enthusiasm for pets. My wife loves animals similarly.

I love them in zoos, people's backyards, and in nature. I do not enjoy them in human businesses.

Neither of us are wrong. We have different opinions.

i love animals! always have & always will. they surround me in life, past employment, social activities & family gatherings. i enjoy the opportunity to see a furry or feathered (or scaley) face whenever possible, no matter where it may be. :shocked::faint:

[JMintzer]

For some reason I thought that everyone in the Villages loves dogs, or maybe I wanted to believe this. The times that my husband and I have visited, dogs seem to be everywhere. Seeing them is uplifting and makes me smile. So many people posting on this forum are phobic that a dog in a shopping cart or sitting at a restaurant table will bring great disease. I am an inspector and if you only knew what you eat at any restaurant, including those that you think are clean, you would definitely eat at home from now on.
Even then, if you knew what is in some of those grocery store bought foods or the filthy conditions the animals you eat are raised in or how they are processed... Oh my God!... You would plant your own vegetable garden and only eat from it.
The dogs that are out and about are the least of your worries.

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

[Michael G.]

i'm all for dog lovers having the right to bring their animals into stores so long as all their personal doctors and staff can bring theirs into all of their medical treatment rooms
eg
heart surgery
liver & kindney surgery
dental treatments
etc


I just drop my regular doctor because she had 3 dogs running around her office.
We sat down to review my blood work in a closed room, and then we heard scratching
at the door.
Yep, the doctor got up, open the door to let her two dogs in and one jumped on my lap.

I said: "What the hell, I'm out'a here"!

[JMintzer]

I just drop my regular doctor because she had 3 dogs running around her office.
We sat down to review my blood work in a closed room, and then we heard scratching
at the door.
Yep, the doctor got up, open the door to let her two dogs in and one jumped on my lap.

I said: "What the hell, my out'a here"!

What Dr was this? I'm looking for a physician in TV...

[fdpaq0580]

I just drop my regular doctor because she had 3 dogs running around her office.
We sat down to review my blood work in a closed room, and then we heard scratching
at the door.
Yep, the doctor got up, open the door to let her two dogs in and one jumped on my lap.

I said: "What the hell, my out'a here"!

Totally unforgivable and unprofessional of that doctor.

[lodi517]

Undeniable Fact: Most Americans, both dog-owners and non-dog-owners, do not want dogs in restaurants, stores and churches!

[fdpaq0580]

For some reason I thought that everyone in the Villages loves dogs, or maybe I wanted to believe this. The times that my husband and I have visited, dogs seem to be everywhere. Seeing them is uplifting and makes me smile. So many people posting on this forum are phobic that a dog in a shopping cart or sitting at a restaurant table will bring great disease. I am an inspector and if you only knew what you eat at any restaurant, including those that you think are clean, you would definitely eat at home from now on.
Even then, if you knew what is in some of those grocery store bought foods or the filthy conditions the animals you eat are raised in or how they are processed... Oh my God!... You would plant your own vegetable garden and only eat from it.
The dogs that are out and about are the least of your worries.

Sorry to smudge your rose colored glasses, but no, not everyone likes dogs. Even those of us who do like dogs often are faced with situations we find most inappropriate, thanks not so much to the dogs, but because of irresponsible and self-entitled owners.
Glad you find seeing dogs uplifting. Truth is, many people are made very uncomfortable or experience anxiety when suddenly confronted with a dog. Many also have allergies. Since you are an inspector (you didn't say what kind of inspector), I would expect you would already be aware of and understanding of these conditions.

[Fredster]

Sorry to smudge your rose colored glasses, but no, not everyone likes dogs. Even those of us who do like dogs often are faced with situations we find most inappropriate, thanks not so much to the dogs, but because of irresponsible and self-entitled owners.
Glad you find seeing dogs uplifting. Truth is, many people are made very uncomfortable or experience anxiety when suddenly confronted with a dog. Many also have allergies. Since you are an inspector (you didn't say what kind of inspector), I would expect you would already be aware of and understanding of these conditions.

Very well stated response! :bigbow:
I like almost all dogs, but dislike entitled,
inconsiderate dog owners!

[Michael G.]

undeniable fact: Most americans, both dog-owners and non-dog-owners, do not want dogs in restaurants, stores and churches!

bingo!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I'm not -overly- worried about the sanitary aspect of dogs, although humans with fleas is a lot rarer than dogs with fleas, and no one ever requires a health check on those dogs that are let into businesses.

What I worry about is the problem with owners of dogs in the Villages who either a) don't know how to control their pet and/or b) aren't physically capable of controlling their pet.

Places of business don't get to pick and choose which pet to allow in. They don't check the pets to say "yeah this one is good, but that one has to stay out." If you let one in, you have to let them all in - and deal with the consequences after the fact.

If one dog is not well trained, and gets triggered, someone can get hurt. You see that at dog parks, in outdoor environments. I've seen it inside as well when I ran an indoor craft fair where pets were NOT allowed, but people brought them anyway and insisted they were "comfort animals" - and the owners were clearly going to make a fuss if we refused them. So we let them in. And to the surprise of absolutely no one, one of the dogs jumped on one of the patrons. That patron tried to dodge the dog and bumped into the crafter's table, toppling it and resulting in thousands of dollars in damage.

"But MY dog is a GOOD dog, she'd NEVER act like that!"

This is true. Your dog is a precious angel. But the other guy's dog is not. I don't know this though. So I have to let them both in.

Your world might revolve around you and your precious angel poochie woochie. But my world does not revolve around you and your precious angel poochie woochie. And that other guy's dog just wants to take a bite of your precious angel poochie woochie.

So leave your dog home, or bring a friend and have the friend stand outside with the dog while you go in and get whatever you needed to get.

[JMintzer]

Maybe it's me, but I'm starting to get the feeling that there are some folks who don't want dogs in stores, restaurants and the squares...

Anyone else sensing this?

[John-US]

I feel sorry for those who need to take a pet with them to all locations not designed for pets and be so oblivious to others.

remember when it was the human race? and not just a race for the last roll of toilet paper?

[j_vermilya]

Except for service dogs, no animal should ever be in a store, and especially not in a restaurant. It should never happen and it is exceedlingly selfish of those who do this.

[Stu from NYC]

Except for service dogs, no animal should ever be in a store, and especially not in a restaurant. It should never happen and it is exceedlingly selfish of those who do this.

Cruised out of San Fran once and must have been 15 dogs on the ship and they went everywhere. In a restaurant a patron was feeding two dogs under the table.

As far as I could tell none were service dogs which we would have no problem with.

Like dogs but there are some places they do not belong.

[triflex]

I talked to a Sam's Club manager last year about this and he admitted that when dogs do take a dump in the store that they make sure the OWNER cleans it up.

I asked him what he meant by 'clean'? To what standard and with what supplies ? He had no response. I asked what if they take a slam next to a low shelf? How do you know it wasn't a 'shart' with a wet-ending. What about dogs who roll in the urine and feces in the grass and then walk down an aisle next to the bakery section. No response.

[triflex]

I also dated a girl in university who was a vet tech who said she most disliked dogs that experienced sudden explosive diarrhea. Which at the time I thought was funny - but that was before I literally have seen dogs in food carts at Walmart-Mart and Sam's Club.

I should have asked her if they give the dog a bath after an explosive event or do they let the animal lick itself clean over time.

[Number 10 GI]

I've never seen a dog in a grocery store. Lowe's and Home Depot? Yes, more than a few times, with zero issues...

I've seen them in grocery stores and restaurants.

[Stu from NYC]

I've seen them in grocery stores and restaurants.

More and more of them.

[JMintzer]

I talked to a Sam's Club manager last year about this and he admitted that when dogs do take a dump in the store that they make sure the OWNER cleans it up.

I asked him what he meant by 'clean'? To what standard and with what supplies ? He had no response. I asked what if they take a slam next to a low shelf? How do you know it wasn't a 'shart' with a wet-ending. What about dogs who roll in the urine and feces in the grass and then walk down an aisle next to the bakery section. No response.

You have a very vivid imagination...

What about the people who walk in with god knows what on the bottom of their shoes?

What about the people who use the rest room and don't wash their hands before touching the produce?

We can "what about" all day long...

[JMintzer]

I've seen them in grocery stores and restaurants.

I've only seen them in the "outside dining" sections of restaurants. And never in a grocery store...

We can anecdote all day...

[Fredster]

I've only seen them in the "outside dining" sections of restaurants. And never in a grocery store...

We can anecdote all day...

Lucky you….because I’ve seen them in restaurants on chairs and booth seats.
Also in grocery carts, but not as often
as in restaurants!
Some folks are blinded by their obvious bias!

[Michael G.]

I've only seen them in the "outside dining" sections of restaurants. And never in a grocery store...



Wife and I were standing in line for communion at St. Marks church and a lady was carrying her small dog in her arms.

UNBEIVEABLE!

[Topspinmo]

Also, dogs don't belong at the Squares when the bands are playing. This is incredibly cruel to the dog. A dog's hearing is around four times greater than ours. Imagine going to the square with hearing aides turned up to full blast, and standing right in front of the speaker, which is also turned up at full blast. Now imagine being tethered around the neck so you -cannot- leave that spot.

That's what you do to your dog when you bring him to the square to see Rocky and the Rollers.

"Oh but he just loves it!" you say, because the dog is chill and sits there and doesn't misbehave. No - he doesn't love it. He's overwhelmed. You're also damaging his hearing with that exposure - especially those of you who bring your dogs to the squares every week or even more often. You are DEsensitizing your dog by causing damage to his hearing.


But, it’s my service dog……

[Topspinmo]

Long replies bore Readers.


I love good rant.

[MX rider]

I've only seen them in the "outside dining" sections of restaurants. And never in a grocery store...

We can anecdote all day...

You have a very vivid imagination...

What about the people who walk in with god knows what on the bottom of their shoes?

What about the people who use the rest room and don't wash their hands before touching the produce?

We can "what about" all day long...

You keep making the same goofy argument all you over the top dog owners make. Comparing a dog to people. No matter how much you love your little baby, it's not a kid/person! It's an animal.
They eat dog and cat poop, lick their own private parts, and roll on dead animals if you let them.

Most people agree they don't belong out in public places around strangers. But we're forced tolerate selfish dog owners. Btw, I have 2 dogs.

[Number 10 GI]

I've only seen them in the "outside dining" sections of restaurants. And never in a grocery store...

We can anecdote all day...

Just because you haven't seen them in a grocery store doesn't mean it doesn't happen. How may anecdotes does it take to indicate that it does happen, I've seen it a number of times. Maybe I'm more observant.

[triflex]

Drop your address and I'll be over to hunker down naked on your couch and scooch across it for about 10 minutes. Just leave the front door and open and let me know when you're out. I'll be sure and touch all of the food too.

You have a very vivid imagination...

What about the people who walk in with god knows what on the bottom of their shoes?

What about the people who use the rest room and don't wash their hands before touching the produce?

We can "what about" all day long...

[fdpaq0580]

Wife and I were standing in line for communion at St. Marks church and a lady was carrying her small dog in her arms.

UNBEIVEABLE!

Just curious, but did you notice if the priest petted the dog and, if he did, did he wash before he grabbed the wafer for the next person in line?

😬

[fdpaq0580]

You have a very vivid imagination...

What about the people who walk in with god knows what on the bottom of their shoes?

What about the people who use the rest room and don't wash their hands before touching the produce?

We can "what about" all day long...

Good question about the shoes. If people, who bath regularly have to wear shoes and clothes, why not require dogs, that do not bath regularly, wear booties, clothes and diapers? Certainly cut back on the pee and poo accidents.
As for people who don't wash after using the restroom, well we can't seem to control human pigs. But surely a capable and responsible dog owner does have control over their dog when they are in public.

[JMintzer]

Lucky you….because I’ve seen them in restaurants on chairs and booth seats.
Also in grocery carts, but not as often
as in restaurants!
Some folks are blinded by their obvious bias!

Realizing you have a problem is the first step...

[JMintzer]

You keep making the same goofy argument all you over the top dog owners make. Comparing a dog to people. No matter how much you love your little baby, it's not a kid/person! It's an animal.
They eat dog and cat poop, lick their own private parts, and roll on dead animals if you let them.

Most people agree they don't belong out in public places around strangers. But we're forced tolerate selfish dog owners. Btw, I have 2 dogs.

No, I'm poking holes in your outlandish fantasies...

"Selfish"? Are you sure they're not "entitled" or "greedy"? (Trying to think of more of the overused adjectives seen on ToTV...)

[JMintzer]

Drop your address and I'll be over to hunker down naked on your couch and scooch across it for about 10 minutes. Just leave the front door and open and let me know when you're out. I'll be sure and touch all of the food too.

Nice non sequitur...

[JMintzer]

Just curious, but did you notice if the priest petted the dog and, if he did, did he wash before he grabbed the wafer for the next person in line?

😬

Did he wash his hands between those receiving communion?

I mean their "hot stinky diseased breath" (to paraphrase someone in the mask thread) most certainly got Covid all over them...

[fdpaq0580]

I love good rant.

I second that!

Now, back to our regularly scheduled program.

[JMintzer]

Good question about the shoes. If people, who bath regularly have to wear shoes and clothes, why not require dogs, that do not bath regularly, wear booties, clothes and diapers? Certainly cut back on the pee and poo accidents.
As for people who don't wash after using the restroom, well we can't seem to control human pigs. But surely a capable and responsible dog owner does have control over their dog when they are in public.

Yes, because the "pee and poo" accidents are an epidemic of epic proportions...

And your shoe comment fails to hold water. Dogs wearing "booties" will walk thru the same thing as dogs without booties. Just as people will do.

And people are require to wear shoes for insurance reasons. Not sanitary reasons...

I've seen more people leave a restroom without washing their hands that I've ever seen a dog inside a restaurant or grocery store.

The only time I've seen a dog have an accident in a store was at PetSmart... It's pretty much a given there... They even have "Clean Up, Aisle 6" stations throughout the store...

But I guess some folks just have to fill their days complaining about something... Why not this?

[MX rider]

Yes, because the "pee and poo" accidents are an epidemic of epic proportions...

And your shoe comment fails to hold water. Dogs wearing "booties" will walk thru the same thing as dogs without booties. Just as people will do.

And people are require to wear shoes for insurance reasons. Not sanitary reasons...

I've seen more people leave a restroom without washing their hands that I've ever seen a dog inside a restaurant or grocery store.

The only time I've seen a dog have an accident in a store was at PetSmart... It's pretty much a given there... They even have "Clean Up, Aisle 6" stations throughout the store...

But I guess some folks just have to fill their days complaining about something... Why not this?

After all these posts, it's obvious no matter how many people say it or how they say it, you still don't get it. The vast majority of people don't see it your way and don't want other peoples dogs around them in public places.

You and the other, yes I said selfish, dog owners are the only ones that think it's ok.
I love my dogs, but I'm smart enough to know most other people don't.
So they stay at home where they're happy.

[MX rider]

Yes, because the "pee and poo" accidents are an epidemic of epic proportions...

And your shoe comment fails to hold water. Dogs wearing "booties" will walk thru the same thing as dogs without booties. Just as people will do.

And people are require to wear shoes for insurance reasons. Not sanitary reasons...

I've seen more people leave a restroom without washing their hands that I've ever seen a dog inside a restaurant or grocery store.

The only time I've seen a dog have an accident in a store was at PetSmart... It's pretty much a given there... They even have "Clean Up, Aisle 6" stations throughout the store...

But I guess some folks just have to fill their days complaining about something... Why not this?

After all these posts, it's obvious no matter how many people say it or how they say it, you still don't get it. The vast majority of people don't see it your way and don't want other peoples dogs around them in public places.

You and the other, yes I said selfish, dog owners are the only ones that think it's ok.
I love my dogs, but I'm smart enough to know most other people don't.
So they stay at home where they're happy.

[fdpaq0580]

No, I'm poking holes in your outlandish fantasies...)

Sorry, but what you think are "fantasies" are "realities". And, although you are poking, you are not making holes. Trying to justify or rationalize behavior that is not appropriate or appreciated by most people is a lost cause. Even folks, like myself, who have dogs or have had dogs and loved them realize they are not furry four legged humans. They are products of human intervention. In great part, designer animals, bred for a multitude of reasons. From protection and helpmates all the way to pets, toys and attention getting devices.
I had eight dogs in my life and loved them all. They all enhanced my life in various ways. But I never took them shopping or to restaurants. They were dogs. Happiest at home in familiar surrounding, rather than trying to deal with strange people, places, noises and smells. If you truly love your pet, for his/her sake leave them home and they will really enjoy the reunion when you get home much more than the outing you might have subjected them to.

[fdpaq0580]

Yes, because the "pee and poo" accidents are an epidemic of epic proportions...

And your shoe comment fails to hold water. Dogs wearing "booties" will walk thru the same thing as dogs without booties.

Don't need "epic proportions". Once should be enough, I should think. And I am sad to say I have seen it many times over the years.
As for where the dog will walk, I think it is more than fair to say that a dog can only go where it's owner allows it to go.

[JMintzer]

After all these posts, it's obvious no matter how many people say it or how they say it, you still don't get it. The vast majority of people don't see it your way and don't want other peoples dogs around them in public places.

You and the other, yes I said selfish, dog owners are the only ones that think it's ok.
I love my dogs, but I'm smart enough to know most other people don't.
So they stay at home where they're happy.

The "vast majority"?

Can you cite the poll? No? Okay, bye...

I'm a selfish dog owner? Have I ever said I brought my dog into a grocery store? Into a restaurant? No, I don't think I have...

So save your insults and your made up outrage for someone who cares...

[JMintzer]

Don't need "epic proportions". Once should be enough, I should think. And I am sad to say I have seen it many times over the years.
As for where the dog will walk, I think it is more than fair to say that a dog can only go where it's owner allows it to go.

Sorry, but once is not enough (with apologies to James Bond)...

If "once" was enough, than certain people would be banned for public places...

Oh, edited to add...: Your "once is enough" comment only reinforces my point about some folks having nothing better to do that be outraged about things that rarely, if ever, happen...

[Fredster]

Getting back to the original question…

“What's your take on the public bringing your pets
into restaurants, grocery stores, churches?”

I don’t think pets should be brought into those
above referenced places,
but bona-fide service animals are the exception!

[ThirdOfFive]

You keep making the same goofy argument all you over the top dog owners make. Comparing a dog to people. No matter how much you love your little baby, it's not a kid/person! It's an animal.
They eat dog and cat poop, lick their own private parts, and roll on dead animals if you let them.

Most people agree they don't belong out in public places around strangers. But we're forced tolerate selfish dog owners. Btw, I have 2 dogs.
You know why dogs lick their privates, don't you?

Because they CAN.

But you gotta wonder just what the DOG thinks of all this. I saw one in Wal-Mart yesterday: cute little thing, maybe 5 lbs. or so, riding in her owner's grocery cart. Said doggie was wearing pink bows behind her ears and some kind of sweater thing as well. To be honest the dog was more attractive than her owner. But did the dog feel good about all the to-do? Or just putting up with it until she got wheeled out of that crowded, loud, disorganized madhouse that Wal-Mart can become at times?

[fdpaq0580]

Sorry, but once is not enough (with apologies to James Bond)...

If "once" was enough, than certain people would be banned for public places...

Oh, edited to add...: Your "once is enough" comment only reinforces my point about some folks having nothing better to do that be outraged about things that rarely, if ever, happen...

Depending on the offence, once may be enough and those offenders go to jail, effectively banning them from public places.

As to your edit/addition, I agree that, at first glance, it can certainly appear to be the case. Some even seem outraged that others seem to be outraged. Silly since it muddies your perspective. Like the philosopher once said about anger, "emotional content, not anger (outrage). Anger is like a finger pointed at the moon. Focus on the finger and you miss all that heavenly glory".

[Wyseguy]

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

The situation is having respect for others opinions. Having a dog where food is sold or prepared is troublesome to many. Can't you leave fido home for the hour you go grocery shopping?
I love dogs, and even got permission to have my boxer sit by me during chemo. The doctor had a storage closet that she let me sit in during the six hours a day I received chemo. After the first two weeks of treatment I started to get very anxious about walking into the doctor's office (the disease messes with logic). Having my well trained dog sit lay on my feet helped. Down here, I now go to Fl Cancer Center for transfusions. I would never even consider bringing a dog into that environment. Unlike my original situation, FCC has a dozen chairs in one large room. You love your dog, I love dogs, not everyone does.

[Wyseguy]

Just because you haven't seen them in a grocery store doesn't mean it doesn't happen. How may anecdotes does it take to indicate that it does happen, I've seen it a number of times. Maybe I'm more observant.

It definitely happens. I see it at least once a week where they bring a dog in using either a baby?/dog harness or a stroller. Less frequently, but seen, is where they have the dog walking on a leash.

[JMintzer]

You know why dogs lick their privates, don't you?

Because they CAN.

But you gotta wonder just what the DOG thinks of all this. I saw one in Wal-Mart yesterday: cute little thing, maybe 5 lbs. or so, riding in her owner's grocery cart. Said doggie was wearing pink bows behind her ears and some kind of sweater thing as well. To be honest the dog was more attractive than her owner. But did the dog feel good about all the to-do? Or just putting up with it until she got wheeled out of that crowded, loud, disorganized madhouse that Wal-Mart can become at times?

So, the dog was wearing clothes, as requested in this thread? Cool! :icon_wink:

[JMintzer]

Depending on the offence, once may be enough and those offenders go to jail, effectively banning them from public places.

As to your edit/addition, I agree that, at first glance, it can certainly appear to be the case. Some even seem outraged that others seem to be outraged. Silly since it muddies your perspective. Like the philosopher once said about anger, "emotional content, not anger (outrage). Anger is like a finger pointed at the moon. Focus on the finger and you miss all that heavenly glory".

"Some even seem outraged"...

Yes, "some" do...

Self awareness is an important first step...

[JMintzer]

The situation is having respect for others opinions. Having a dog where food is sold or prepared is troublesome to many. Can't you leave fido home for the hour you go grocery shopping?
I love dogs, and even got permission to have my boxer sit by me during chemo. The doctor had a storage closet that she let me sit in during the six hours a day I received chemo. After the first two weeks of treatment I started to get very anxious about walking into the doctor's office (the disease messes with logic). Having my well trained dog sit lay on my feet helped. Down here, I now go to Fl Cancer Center for transfusions. I would never even consider bringing a dog into that environment. Unlike my original situation, FCC has a dozen chairs in one large room. You love your dog, I love dogs, not everyone does.

Who suggested that it's proper to bring dogs into a grocery store?

I most certainly never did...

I only suggested that the actual occurrence of that happening is so small, that it isn't a significant problem...

And many hospitals have dogs roaming the halls, giving comfort to sick patients...

I guess that Dr's office outrage is now on shakier ground...

[JMintzer]

It definitely happens. I see it at least once a week where they bring a dog in using either a baby?/dog harness or a stroller. Less frequently, but seen, is where they have the dog walking on a leash.

So, a dog in a stroller is a huge problem? Why?

They're not tracking "god knows what all over the floor...

They're not "spreading disease" in the grocery carts...

They're not "peeing and pooping" all over the place...

So why get so upset about it?

[PugMom]

look how long this thread is living! almost as long as the other animal thread re: poop on lawns :popcorn:

[fdpaq0580]

You know why dogs lick their privates, don't you?

Because they CAN.

But you gotta wonder just what the DOG thinks of all this. I saw one in Wal-Mart yesterday: cute little thing, maybe 5 lbs. or so, riding in her owner's grocery cart. Said doggie was wearing pink bows behind her ears and some kind of sweater thing as well. To be honest the dog was more attractive than her owner. But did the dog feel good about all the to-do? Or just putting up with it until she got wheeled out of that crowded, loud, disorganized madhouse that Wal-Mart can become at times?

You understand! Dogs don't need or want the accoutrements or the fuss. They, at best, tolerate it as if owner is playing with them. Dog s become confused and stressed by all the hubbub. They have no understanding of where they are or why they are there. And the "accidents" that some will try to deny ever happen, do happen and are usually, likely stress related.

[Fredster]

So, a dog in a stroller is a huge problem? Why?

They're not tracking "god knows what all over the floor...

They're not "spreading disease" in the grocery carts...

They're not "peeing and pooping" all over the place...

So why get so upset about it?

Bottom line it’s only your opinion,
which you’re entitled to, and others are likewise entitled to theirs!

[fdpaq0580]

Who suggested that it's proper to bring dogs into a grocery store?

I most certainly never did...

I only suggested that the actual occurrence of that happening is so small, that it isn't a significant problem...

And many hospitals have dogs roaming the halls, giving comfort to sick patients...

I guess that Dr's office outrage is now on shakier ground...

"Dogs roaming the halls" gives the impression that they are loose and wandering aimlessly without restrictions or boundaries. I think the statement gives a false impression. Some do have dogs that have handlers to visit with sick individuals, but they need the permission of the patient, doctor and facilities. Dogs are sometimes used to sniff out certain illnesses.
As to the "Dr's office outrage", still on solid ground from my perspective

[fdpaq0580]

Bottom line it’s only your opinion,
which you’re entitled to, and others are likewise entitled to theirs!

I like your tag line, "in valley of the blind, the one eyed is spectator". Old one eye probably is usually the winner when they play "Marco, Polo"

[JMintzer]

You understand! Dogs don't need or want the accoutrements or the fuss. They, at best, tolerate it as if owner is playing with them. Dog s become confused and stressed by all the hubbub. They have no understanding of where they are or why they are there. And the "accidents" that some will try to deny ever happen, do happen and are usually, likely stress related.

https://cdn1.edgedatg.com/aws/v2/natgeotv/DogWhisperer/showimages/814f85e781c0b5726dc012259aef6d4d/392x522-Q80_814f85e781c0b5726dc012259aef6d4d.jpg

[JMintzer]

Bottom line it’s only your opinion,
which you’re entitled to, and others are likewise entitled to theirs!

True, but I'm not the one ranting about it...

[JMintzer]

"Dogs roaming the halls" gives the impression that they are loose and wandering aimlessly without restrictions or boundaries. I think the statement gives a false impression. Some do have dogs that have handlers to visit with sick individuals, but they need the permission of the patient, doctor and facilities. Dogs are sometimes used to sniff out certain illnesses.
As to the "Dr's office outrage", still on solid ground from my perspective

Nothing false about it. There are hospitals where dogs DO roam the halls, with no handlers. They are free to go to whichever patient wants them there...

And I'm still waiting for the name of that DR who had all of the dogs in her office...

[Michael G.]

And I'm still waiting for the name of that DR who had all of the dogs in her office...

Your going to wait a long time.

I don't narc on people making a living on this forum with names even though
some have a strange way of doing business.

[Fredster]

Nothing false about it. There are hospitals where dogs DO roam the halls, with no handlers. They are free to go to whichever patient wants them there...

And I'm still waiting for the name of that DR who had all of the dogs in her office...

And would those be called “Free Range” hospitals?

[fdpaq0580]

Nothing false about it. There are hospitals where dogs DO roam the halls, with no handlers. They are free to go to whichever patient wants them there...

And I'm still waiting for the name of that DR who had all of the dogs in her office...

I will take your word for that since I am not aware of all practices of all hospitals. I most certainly think that anyone being sent to a hospital would be notified of this practice before being transported or, if self transported, would be notified before entering the facility and being confronted by a dog or dogs off leash. If my wife, for example, was not notified and were to confront a loose dog in a hospital, because of her conditions I can assure you there would be lawsuits involved.

[fdpaq0580]

And would those be called “Range Free” hospitals?

Maybe "veterinary" hospital.

[Stu from NYC]

And would think with all this arguing nobody has changed their opinion

[Bogie Shooter]

And would think with all this arguing nobody has changed their opinion

And speaking of dog poop……oh wait save that for another time.:duck:

[Bilyclub]

True, but I'm not the one ranting about it...


Want to to guess who has the most posts in this thread? This poster has over 20% of the 222 posts.

[MX rider]

Want to to guess who has the most posts in this thread? This poster has over 20% of the 222 posts.

Exactly! but not ranting. lol

[Michael G.]

There are hospitals where dogs DO roam the halls, with no handlers.

NO there's not, nursing homes, maybe on leashes at best.

Tell me which hospitals let dogs roam so I can call and ask for myself.

[JMintzer]

Your going to wait a long time.

I don't narc on people making a living on this forum with names even though
some have a strange way of doing business.

Narc? The people going to her already know. Others joining her practice will find out in short order.

I want to go to this doctor. Look at it as a practice builder!

[JMintzer]

And would those be called “Range Free” hospitals?

"Free Range"... :icon_wink:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTxt0jomTgA

[JMintzer]

Want to to guess who has the most posts in this thread? This poster has over 20% of the 222 posts.

And how many were "rants" vs "humor"?

But sure, you be you...

[JMintzer]

NO there's not, nursing homes, maybe on leashes at best.

Tell me which hospitals let dogs roam so I can call and ask for myself.

I'm no Narc! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Bilyclub]

And how many were "rants" vs "humor"?

But sure, you be you...

An even 50 out of 229, maybe 1 had a hint of being funny.

[Fredster]

"Free Range"... :icon_wink:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTxt0jomTgA

You got the point though, didn’t you?
And you could also increase your post count!
:blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah:

[fdpaq0580]

And would think with all this arguing nobody has changed their opinion

And you know this how? Roughly 4,500 views thus far and you have polled them all? Well, I am certainly impressed that you did that.
I have noticed a lot of dog owners or former owners who support the "no dogs in stores/restaurants/grocery stores" position. Many more than have spoken up in the past. To them I say "Thank You". It is good to hear from genuinely responsible owners that understand that taking your pet everywhere is not in the best interest of the public in general, themselves or, most of all, your pet.

[JMintzer]

You got the point though, didn’t you?
And you could also increase your post count!
:blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah:

Riiight... I'm worried about increasing my post count... :ohdear:

[JMintzer]

And you know this how? Roughly 4,500 views thus far and you have polled them all? Well, I am certainly impressed that you did that.
I have noticed a lot of dog owners or former owners who support the "no dogs in stores/restaurants/grocery stores" position. Many more than have spoken up in the past. To them I say "Thank You". It is good to hear from genuinely responsible owners that understand that taking your pet everywhere is not in the best interest of the public in general, themselves or, most of all, your pet.

Funny, I also agree that pets don't belong INSIDE restaurants and grocery stores...

I just don't lose my mind over the rare occasions it actually happens...

And exactly WHO is suggesting that it's appropriate to take one's pet EVERYWHERE?

[Fredster]

Funny, I also agree that pets don't belong INSIDE restaurants and grocery stores...

And it only took you a few days,
and over 50 posts to share that!
And I’m sure there’s more to come!

[Topspinmo]

In the grocery store? Sure...

So, you’re bag the groceries?

[Topspinmo]

Maybe it's me, but I'm starting to get the feeling that there are some folks who don't want dogs in stores, restaurants and the squares...

Anyone else sensing this?

Some!

[Topspinmo]

Not a problem. Europe does it

Europe has lot of skeletons in the closet. Not go example to follow IMO.

[Topspinmo]

Realizing you have a problem is the first step...

Then, why don’t you realize it???:) opened yourself up for that one. :welcome:

[JMintzer]

And it only took you a few days,
and over 50 posts to share that!
And I’m sure there’s more to come!

Sorry. I didn't realize there was a time limit...

But please, keep scouring my posts... It's great having a secret admirer! Or should I say, a stalker?

[JMintzer]

Some!

https://media0.giphy.com/media/j3HQ1zWosr1NS/giphy.gif

[JMintzer]

So, you’re bag the groceries?

https://media3.giphy.com/media/2aUFGPQq00zcbSdOmM/giphy.gif

[JMintzer]

Then, why don’t you realize it???:) opened yourself up for that one. :welcome:

And what problem would that be?

[fdpaq0580]

Funny, I also agree that pets don't belong INSIDE restaurants and grocery stores...

I just don't lose my mind over the rare occasions it actually happens...

And exactly WHO is suggesting that it's appropriate to take one's pet EVERYWHERE?

Response to first your first sentence. That is nice to know. Thank you.

Second. Not so much "lose" their "mind", just expressing their dismay, disgust and discomfort at the habits of some owners and "accidents" that were completely avoidable.

Last. I don't believe you really expect the names of everyone who has ever used a generalization like "everywhere". That is a debate tactic used to deflect attention from the intended point of a remark and then ridicule the comment. Simple, but, generally effective.

[JMintzer]

Response to first your first sentence. That is nice to know. Thank you.

Second. Not so much "lose" their "mind", just expressing their dismay, disgust and discomfort at the habits of some owners and "accidents" that were completely avoidable.

Last. I don't believe you really expect the names of everyone who has ever used a generalization like "everywhere". That is a debate tactic used to deflect attention from the intended point of a remark and then ridicule the comment. Simple, but, generally effective.

Pardon me for my "gross exaggeration" in using the term "lose their mind"...

On second thought... It's pretty much spot on...

And using a comment like "everywhere" is ridiculous and deserves ridicule...

[Fredster]

Sorry. I didn't realize there was a time limit...

But please, keep scouring my posts... It's great having a secret admirer! Or should I say, a stalker?

What I related was there for anyone who followed this thread to see.
Simple as that, but you go on :blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah:

[fdpaq0580]

Pardon me for my "gross exaggeration" in using the term "lose their mind"...

On second thought... It's pretty much spot on...

And using a comment like "everywhere" is ridiculous and deserves ridicule...

Generalizations are actually quite common in conversation. Sorry you feel the need or desire to ridicule. But, we digress.

Unless I misread or misunderstood some of your comments, you disapprove of animals in stores/restaurants. But, when you encounter such a situation, your feelings are totally neutral. Am I correct so far?

[Laker14]

I am happy to report that I love dogs, and dogs in stores don't bother me. Dog poop does not bother me, nor does dog urine, even in my yard. I've had a few dogs, and cleaned up a lot of poop. While I never brought them into the store with me, or a restaurant, and I don't think others should, I don't care. I love dogs, and it just doesn't bother me.

[Michael G.]

I am happy to report that I love dogs, and dogs in stores don't bother me. Dog poop does not bother me, nor does dog urine, even in my yard. I've had a few dogs, and cleaned up a lot of poop. While I never brought them into the store with me, or a restaurant, and I don't think others should, I don't care. I love dogs, and it just doesn't bother me.

And it doesn't bother me if your smart enough to keep your dog out of
stores and restaurants