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mtomlinson
02-05-2022, 05:53 PM
I tried to use this outlet today for the first tie and it is not live. There are 3 wires to the rear, live, neutral and earth. No voltage on them. I read somewhere about needing to switch the ceiling lights on but that didn't work. Is there some other switch? Any ideas?

Bogie Shooter
02-05-2022, 05:55 PM
GFI Tripped somewhere?

Papa_lecki
02-05-2022, 06:25 PM
I think its an outlet for over cabinet lights. It is powered by a switch. Not sure where your switch, in my Gardenia, it is outside the laundry room, near the switch for the dining room and that overhead light.

villagetinker
02-05-2022, 06:47 PM
This is typically a SWITCHED outlet, in our house there is a switch with a BLUE dot on it that controls the outlet. Try this, plug in a lamp that is known to be in the ON position, then go to all of the switches in the vicinity of the kitchen and see which one controls the outlet. Due to the location of this outlet it is typically NOT on a GFCI.
Hope this helps.

JoMar
02-05-2022, 07:58 PM
Our switch is on the dining room wall.

JMintzer
02-05-2022, 10:52 PM
Our switch (an Aspen) is under the wine rack, next to the refrigerator...

midiwiz
02-06-2022, 06:58 AM
I tried to use this outlet today for the first tie and it is not live. There are 3 wires to the rear, live, neutral and earth. No voltage on them. I read somewhere about needing to switch the ceiling lights on but that didn't work. Is there some other switch? Any ideas?

100% switched outlet - turn all switches on in the kitchen and you'll find it have fun, I'm trying to undo mine, wiring technique is horrible in these builds

Belmont4-150
02-06-2022, 07:05 AM
I tried to use this outlet today for the first tie and it is not live. There are 3 wires to the rear, live, neutral and earth. No voltage on them. I read somewhere about needing to switch the ceiling lights on but that didn't work. Is there some other switch? Any ideas?

There is a (red dot) switch on the bank of switches in your kitchen that runs the outlets above the cabinets. Check to see that it is switched on.

Tjmorello
02-06-2022, 07:19 AM
If you want, I can have a look for.

thevillages2013
02-06-2022, 07:25 AM
This is typically a SWITCHED outlet, in our house there is a switch with a BLUE dot on it that controls the outlet. Try this, plug in a lamp that is known to be in the ON position, then go to all of the switches in the vicinity of the kitchen and see which one controls the outlet. Due to the location of this outlet it is typically NOT on a GFCI.
Hope this helps.

He is in Palo Alto village and the house was built in the “dark ages” so typical wiring patterns may not apply. Possibly someone ran a wire up from one of the gfi countertop outlets. It would be nice if the OP would let us know the results

rogerk
02-06-2022, 09:07 AM
I’m Veranda/Lilly the switch is in the dining room by the switch for the under cabinet lights and the LR ceiling fan.

sullys
02-06-2022, 09:26 AM
I tried to use this outlet today for the first tie and it is not live. There are 3 wires to the rear, live, neutral and earth. No voltage on them. I read somewhere about needing to switch the ceiling lights on but that didn't work. Is there some other switch? Any ideas?

The plugs over the cabinets can be turned off and on by a switch in the dining room area. I put tape over mine as I hid my router on top of the cabinets

Bruce3055
02-06-2022, 10:20 AM
GFI Tripped somewhere?

I think my GFI outlet is in the garage, now hidden behind some built in cabinets, but still accessible

mulligan
02-06-2022, 10:30 AM
I think my GFI outlet is in the garage, now hidden behind some built in cabinets, but still accessible

Any outlet within 48" of water, or outside anywhere, or anywhere in the garage is a gfci outlet.

Frank495
02-06-2022, 10:49 AM
There is a separate switch on the wall that controls that outlet

jellybean428
02-06-2022, 10:56 AM
I tried to use this outlet today for the first tie and it is not live. There are 3 wires to the rear, live, neutral and earth. No voltage on them. I read somewhere about needing to switch the ceiling lights on but that didn't work. Is there some other switch? Any ideas?

my switch (lilac) is next to other =switches on dining room wall.
It controls the outlet above the cabinets

mtomlinson
02-06-2022, 11:26 AM
Thanks for all the responses. Yes, it is a Gardenia built circa 2000.
Progress to date:
Reset ALL of my GFI's even though it's unlikely to be the problem.
Tried ALL of the switches anywhere near the kitchen to no avail. There are a couple that don't seem to do anything including one near the patio doors which seems to not properly click on. I will dismantle that later.
No hidden switches in the cabinets.
No breakers off in the garage.
Wiring to the back of the outlet in question secure.
I will post the solution when (if) I find it.

Nadinefall
02-06-2022, 11:50 AM
We have a Linden, only 4 us old…..still looking for that switch too.

Jim Furr
02-06-2022, 01:34 PM
I tried to use this outlet today for the first tie and it is not live. There are 3 wires to the rear, live, neutral and earth. No voltage on them. I read somewhere about needing to switch the ceiling lights on but that didn't work. Is there some other switch? Any ideas?

The kitchen outlets are tied t a GFI outlet, Check the GFI to make sure it has not tripped

villagetinker
02-06-2022, 03:20 PM
Thanks for all the responses. Yes, it is a Gardenia built circa 2000.
Progress to date:
Reset ALL of my GFI's even though it's unlikely to be the problem.
Tried ALL of the switches anywhere near the kitchen to no avail. There are a couple that don't seem to do anything including one near the patio doors which seems to not properly click on. I will dismantle that later.
No hidden switches in the cabinets.
No breakers off in the garage.
Wiring to the back of the outlet in question secure.
I will post the solution when (if) I find it.

I sent you a private message, VT

mtomlinson
02-06-2022, 07:16 PM
I sent you a private message, VT

I don't use this very often and am unsure how to access private messages.

terryf484
02-07-2022, 08:24 AM
I tried to use this outlet today for the first tie and it is not live. There are 3 wires to the rear, live, neutral and earth. No voltage on them. I read somewhere about needing to switch the ceiling lights on but that didn't work. Is there some other switch? Any ideas?

We live in a Durham built in 2021, outlet above cabinets is hot all the time. I installed above cabinet lighting controlled by a built-in remote controller.

jalduino
02-07-2022, 09:39 AM
I tried to use this outlet today for the first tie and it is not live. There are 3 wires to the rear, live, neutral and earth. No voltage on them. I read somewhere about needing to switch the ceiling lights on but that didn't work. Is there some other switch? Any ideas?
That outlet is controlled by the rocker switch next to your canned lights switch for the canned lights over your kitchen cabinets. Hope this works or helps. Jim

candlweav
02-07-2022, 10:38 AM
You said that you've reset all of the GFIs. Be sure the garage GFI is included.