Driving in The Villages

[Softball77]

Anyone else driving on Morse, Buena Vista or El Camino feel like they wake up in the Twilight Zone? Meaning feeling like you are caught in the middle of the Daytona 500? Cars used to go maybe 40ish and now 50 to 60. Nevermind "racing" you through the roundabouts. And the money spent on diagramming proper lane usage in the roundabouts. And what happened to "Right turn, Right lane" and "Left turn. Left lane"? Tailgating is ridiculous too. Not sure what happened to "Florida's Friendliest Home Town".

[John-US]

Anyone else driving on Morse, Buena Vista or El Camino feel like they wake up in the Twilight Zone? Meaning feeling like you are caught in the middle of the Daytona 500? Cars used to go maybe 40ish and now 50 to 60. Nevermind "racing" you through the roundabouts. And the money spent on diagramming proper lane usage in the roundabouts. And what happened to "Right turn, Right lane" and "Left turn. Left lane"? Tailgating is ridiculous too. Not sure what happened to "Florida's Friendliest Home Town".

All in a hurry to go - no place really. (just as long as it's in front of thy fellow villager)

[JMintzer]

Just joined... 1st post... Hmmm...

[Michigan Farmer]

It is a race track. The worst traffic circle i've ever had experience with is Buenia Vista at El Camino. I bet if you sit and watch for no more than five minutes you'll see at least one traffic circle violation.

[Bilyclub]

Anyone else driving on Morse, Buena Vista or El Camino feel like they wake up in the Twilight Zone? Meaning feeling like you are caught in the middle of the Daytona 500? Cars used to go maybe 40ish and now 50 to 60. Nevermind "racing" you through the roundabouts. And the money spent on diagramming proper lane usage in the roundabouts. And what happened to "Right turn, Right lane" and "Left turn. Left lane"? Tailgating is ridiculous too. Not sure what happened to "Florida's Friendliest Home Town".

Welcome to The Villages. It will calm down come May.

[billethkid]

:icon_bored:
:popcorn:

[Laker14]

actually, I have just the opposite feeling. After getting off of 441, or 466, I breathe a sigh of relief being on Morse or BV. Fewer cars, generally less aggressive drivers, and thanks to the roundabouts better traffic flow.
Yes, some people speed, but that's hardly unique to inside The Bubble.
It's always good to be careful and defensive though.

I'd bet money that when TV was only 1/10 the size it is now, jerks abounded at the same ratio as they do now.

[MrFlorida]

The sheriff's dept. will let the speed for now, then drop the hammer on them , then watch them cry...

[Topspinmo]

IMO maybe 5% drives 35 MPH down those roads that was designed for 40 plus they are they usually in left lane. Even LEOs don’t drive 35mph or less. The only reason majority areas on those roads are 35 so the LSV can legally be on them. Now if you taking about MB out to 441 or Spanish springs few even drive 25 MPH max down that stretch which IMO most dangerous street in villages. Those streets are through roads through the villages, villagers not the only ones using them.

[Topspinmo]

It is a race track. The worst traffic circle i've ever had experience with is Buenia Vista at El Camino. I bet if you sit and watch for no more than five minutes you'll see at least one traffic circle violation.

It won’t take 5 minutes.

[davem4616]

it's a practice run before getting on to I-75

[DonH57]

I always thought the traffic slows down on Morse and Buena Vista this time of year with more and more traffic as the Villages grow.

[Garywt]

Generally don’t drive the car while here but have with the weather. The rotaries are well marked and if people stayed in the lanes through the rotary things would go ok. Speed aside but too many people drive in the left lane that should be in the right one if they want to go 30. Others use a yield sign as a stop sign and do not enter the rotary if anyone else is on the rotary. It is a huge learning curve if you have not been on one before. Growing up in New England we have been driving rotaries all out lives. As for the roadway itself there are some that race it but not as many as one would think.

[DAVES]

Anyone else driving on Morse, Buena Vista or El Camino feel like they wake up in the Twilight Zone? Meaning feeling like you are caught in the middle of the Daytona 500? Cars used to go maybe 40ish and now 50 to 60. Nevermind "racing" you through the roundabouts. And the money spent on diagramming proper lane usage in the roundabouts. And what happened to "Right turn, Right lane" and "Left turn. Left lane"? Tailgating is ridiculous too. Not sure what happened to "Florida's Friendliest Home Town".

Some, TOO MANY, forget the goal is for ALL to get there in one piece. The goal is NOT to teach others how to drive. We tend to notice STUPID drivers not safe ones.

The round a bouts it is a reach to believe that all know the rules and a further reach that they know the rules and will follow them. Driving in another drivers blind spot is risking an accident and yet some chose to sit there.

It used to be taught as defensive driving. Simply, if another driver of perhaps road conditions cause a potential accident where will you go to avoid an accident. If, the answer is you have no place to go to avoid an accident due to an error by another driver-you have ALLOWED YOURSELF TO BE IN THE WRONG PLACE AT THE WRONG TIME.

[fdpaq0580]

Traffic circle concept. Great!
Traffic circle in actual use? Boggles the mind!

Many drivers seem to be frustrated NASCAR wannabe's. What is not to love about one big left turn? Pity the person going right or straight on.

[Michael G.]

then drop the hammer on them , then watch them cry...

How many years will that take??

[midiwiz]

Anyone else driving on Morse, Buena Vista or El Camino feel like they wake up in the Twilight Zone? Meaning feeling like you are caught in the middle of the Daytona 500? Cars used to go maybe 40ish and now 50 to 60. Nevermind "racing" you through the roundabouts. And the money spent on diagramming proper lane usage in the roundabouts. And what happened to "Right turn, Right lane" and "Left turn. Left lane"? Tailgating is ridiculous too. Not sure what happened to "Florida's Friendliest Home Town".

answers are pretty simple -

your last question - that's just marketing not reality

Daytona 500 is brought by the phrase - it's that little peddle on the right, use it.. I've gone through these areas and really 20mph isn't going to work. find that pedal and use it. If everyone would just do what's necessary everything would be fine. I'm surprised you didn't add in the left lane hogs.

As a favor I've told my wife to quit tailgating everyone LOL

[tsmall22204]

Why are we in such a hurry? Retirement means slow down and enjoy life. We have speeders, bad drivers, and those who complain about them.

[thevillages2013]

Some, TOO MANY, forget the goal is for ALL to get there in one piece. The goal is NOT to teach others how to drive. We tend to notice STUPID drivers not safe ones.

The round a bouts it is a reach to believe that all know the rules and a further reach that they know the rules and will follow them. Driving in another drivers blind spot is risking an accident and yet some chose to sit there.

It used to be taught as defensive driving. Simply, if another driver of perhaps road conditions cause a potential accident where will you go to avoid an accident. If, the answer is you have no place to go to avoid an accident due to an error by another driver-you have ALLOWED YOURSELF TO BE IN THE WRONG PLACE AT THE WRONG TIME.

Your last statement fact-checked MOSTLY FALSE.

[Priebehouse]

"You're travelling through another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind; a journey into a wondrous land of strange creatures operating a myriad of amazing vehicles. That's a roundabout up ahead - your next stop, the Villages Zone!"

[golfing eagles]

Why are we in such a hurry? Retirement means slow down and enjoy life. We have speeders, bad drivers, and those who complain about them.

Sorry, missed that definition in the OED

And we also have snails, which are a far greater danger than speeders

[rsmurano]

I’ll take a speeder over a driver that doesn’t know how to navigate a roundabout. I can’t believe we have so many people that can’t drive here or should I say can’t read a sign that shows them how to navigate a roundabout. It’s pretty much a free for all going thru them. What the sheriff should do is revoke somebody’s license if they cause an accident or if they see somebody not navigating a roundabout properly because the driver can’t read or can’t comprehend any longer

[PersonOfInterest]

Anyone else driving on Morse, Buena Vista or El Camino feel like they wake up in the Twilight Zone? Meaning feeling like you are caught in the middle of the Daytona 500? Cars used to go maybe 40ish and now 50 to 60. Nevermind "racing" you through the roundabouts. And the money spent on diagramming proper lane usage in the roundabouts. And what happened to "Right turn, Right lane" and "Left turn. Left lane"? Tailgating is ridiculous too. Not sure what happened to "Florida's Friendliest Home Town".

Just because I'm OLD doesn't mean I have to be Slow. People don't understand 'what's the rush? Its the same rush there always was. The only place I don't go in retirement is to work, which I never rushed to anyway. Now I have across town stints to get to my next event be it a Tee time or a Pickleball Clinic or a club meeting.

[Normal]

Traffic circles….I liken them to the Arc de Triomphe around 12 and 4. Maybe with a twist of Amalfi Coast. Driving defensively is always the best option looking for idiots. There always seems to be one…sometimes it’s me.

[Two Bills]

Traffic circles….I liken them to the Arc de Triomphe around 12 and 4. Maybe with a twist of Amalfi Coast. Driving defensively is always the best option looking for idiots. There always seems to be one…sometimes it’s me.

Amalfi Coast? Lot more panache with the driving there.
I love driving in Italy, and Italian drivers.
Lunacy, but with style!

[Normal]

Amalfi Coast? Lot more panache with the driving there.
I love driving in Italy, and Italian drivers.
Lunacy, but with style!

Yes, the motor bikes keep it flowing nicely!

[MandoMan]

Anyone else driving on Morse, Buena Vista or El Camino feel like they wake up in the Twilight Zone? Meaning feeling like you are caught in the middle of the Daytona 500? Cars used to go maybe 40ish and now 50 to 60. Nevermind "racing" you through the roundabouts. And the money spent on diagramming proper lane usage in the roundabouts. And what happened to "Right turn, Right lane" and "Left turn. Left lane"? Tailgating is ridiculous too. Not sure what happened to "Florida's Friendliest Home Town".

In my experience cars tend to go about 35 on those roads, with a good share going 40 when they can. 50 to 60 is highly unusual. The exception is Morse south of 44, where the speed limit is 45.

[Beyond The Wall]

You must have better things to do then watch for traffic circle violations

[Biker Guy CJI]

I’ve said this repeatedly, it’s the “Friendliest Hometown” until they get behind the wheel of a vehicle.

[boobear51751]

The police are not doing their job in policing our roadways. I very seldom see them out there issuing tickets. If they would just set a speed check once a month in a different area (without notice) and nail everyone one of these self centered drivers with a citation things would change. The slogan, "The Friendliest Home Town," died a number of years ago. It was never like this 15 to 20 years ago.

[mkjelenbaas]

Anyone else driving on Morse, Buena Vista or El Camino feel like they wake up in the Twilight Zone? Meaning feeling like you are caught in the middle of the Daytona 500? Cars used to go maybe 40ish and now 50 to 60. Nevermind "racing" you through the roundabouts. And the money spent on diagramming proper lane usage in the roundabouts. And what happened to "Right turn, Right lane" and "Left turn. Left lane"? Tailgating is ridiculous too. Not sure what happened to "Florida's Friendliest Home Town".
To answer your question - no. Thank you

[golfing eagles]

Anyone else driving on Morse, Buena Vista or El Camino feel like they wake up in the Twilight Zone? Meaning feeling like you are caught in the middle of the Daytona 500? Cars used to go maybe 40ish and now 50 to 60. Nevermind "racing" you through the roundabouts. And the money spent on diagramming proper lane usage in the roundabouts. And what happened to "Right turn, Right lane" and "Left turn. Left lane"? Tailgating is ridiculous too. Not sure what happened to "Florida's Friendliest Home Town".

Often it is the Twilight Zone. Yesterday, leaving Pinellas to continue through the RB to Moyer, the car ahead of us took the right lane/ outside lane entry to the RB, immediately cut across to the inner lane nearly missing the person who entered from the left lane and was foolish enough to get alongside, then cut right back into the outer lane, just missing the idiot who entered from Morse northbound without waiting for traffic in BOTH lanes of the RB to pass, then proceeded down Moyer. He got to the left turn lane for the neighborhood market, and put his RIGHT turn signal on to turn left. As we passed we saw he was driving alone with a mask on. My wife termed this the "trifecta" of driving stupidity.

[golfing eagles]

The police are not doing their job in policing our roadways. I very seldom see them out there issuing tickets. If they would just set a speed check once a month in a different area (without notice) and nail everyone one of these self centered drivers with a citation things would change. The slogan, "The Friendliest Home Town," died a number of years ago. It was never like this 15 to 20 years ago.

I've only been here 8 years, so are you saying that 15-20 years ago this was a police state and you wish it were that way again???? No thank you. And while personally I don't speed, I would be hesitant to call someone going 36 on BV or 20.1 in a cart lane "self-centered"

BTW, it is still America's Friendliest Hometown---it's just that after a speeder runs you off the road into a ditch, they give you a friendly Villages wave:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Psacc0]

Anyone else driving on Morse, Buena Vista or El Camino feel like they wake up in the Twilight Zone? Meaning feeling like you are caught in the middle of the Daytona 500? Cars used to go maybe 40ish and now 50 to 60. Nevermind "racing" you through the roundabouts. And the money spent on diagramming proper lane usage in the roundabouts. And what happened to "Right turn, Right lane" and "Left turn. Left lane"? Tailgating is ridiculous too. Not sure what happened to "Florida's Friendliest Home Town".

The people behind me never speed??
:1rotfl:

[Worldseries27]

We will all be talking about the good old days when drones will be issuing the summonses from above a la the red light cameras.

[chery]

Absolutely. Have resorted to taking the backroads to any destination. Longer drive, but safer and more scenic. Main roads are an accident waiting to happen. Have witnessed 3 in the last month!

[Pgcarmi]

In my opinion, the reason that we see so much speeding in The Villages is that the speed limits have been set artificially slow. From an engineering perspective, proper speed limits are set (barring special circumstances)(schools, hospitals, etc..) by allowing traffic to flow with no set speed limit and monitoring actual speeds taken. Once the data is assembled, it is customary to set the speed limit at the 85th percentile of the speed that people actually chose to travel. There are many documents available that explain this concept.

The forum won't allow me to link to a document that explains this concept, so if you are interested, google "Setting Speed Limits 85 Percentile Method"

When speed limits are set too slow such that they make no sense for the type of road, people simply ignore them. Now, you can temporarily force compliance by enforcement, but when enforcement ends, so does compliance.

Morse and Buena Vista are two lane each way divided roadways with limited access at clearly marked traffic circles. 30 MPH is a silly speed limit. In most municipalities, this road would be 45 MPH with recommended speed reductions into the traffic circles. I bet that if someone today performed a speed study on the road (without enforcement) we would find that 45 MPH is the 85th percentile.

Likewise, 30 MPH on feeder roads in the neighborhoods where no driveways exist are other silly speed limits. With clearly marked intersections, limited driveways, turn lanes, and no residential driveways, these speed limits in other areas of the USA would be in the 40 MPH range. Again, a speed study would probably show this.

The 25 MPH speed limit in the housing areas where residential driveways intersect is a standard in many parts of the USA and they are reasonable.

People aren't in a rush. They just don't want to waste time going artificially slow when it isn't necessary. It would be nice if government here set the speed limits based on established engineering principals rather than what someone "feels" is appropriate.

[collie1228]

There is little or no speed enforcement on Morse Blvd. Sumter Co. Sheriff Dept. has an enormous number of police cars, but I see one on Morse maybe once a month. It's simple, if there is no enforcement, there will be more speeders.

[Waltdisney4life]

You’re right this place sucks let’s move back north who’s with me? Just what I thought not one taker, I guess it’s not as bad as complain or say it is!

[am.zinger@aol.com]

I go out of my way just so I won't have to use that one.

[GOLFER54]

Can’t wait for flying cars :-)

[ThirdOfFive]

Anyone else driving on Morse, Buena Vista or El Camino feel like they wake up in the Twilight Zone? Meaning feeling like you are caught in the middle of the Daytona 500? Cars used to go maybe 40ish and now 50 to 60. Nevermind "racing" you through the roundabouts. And the money spent on diagramming proper lane usage in the roundabouts. And what happened to "Right turn, Right lane" and "Left turn. Left lane"? Tailgating is ridiculous too. Not sure what happened to "Florida's Friendliest Home Town".
Heh. Twilight Zone. It does sometimes feel that way. But it is erroneous to think that all the drivers on the roads mentioned are Villagers. Those roads are public and are used by whomever. I've seen a few Mustangs on El Camino Real driving it like they were in the Monaco Grand Prix, but the brief glimpses of the driver(s) that I've gotten have revealed people much younger than what you'd expect a Villager to be.

That's not to say that there are not Villagers who are sinless when it comes to driving. But it's usually things like changing lanes in a roundabout, coasting through red lights, tailgating, things like that.

[VApeople]

I am a slow driver who almost never exceeds the 35 mph speed limit on Morse or Buena Vista. I find it very enjoyable driving in The Villages.

Of course, we have to really pay attention in roundabouts. I always have my hand on the horn and honk at people on a regular basis.

A few days I honked at a driver who was not giving me the right of way when I was exiting a roundabout, so he stopped and I was able to go around him.

At a different roundabout, I honked at another driver who was not giving me the right of way, but he ignored me and kept driving. I kept honking, of course, but I slowed down and let him go. Since I drive slowly, I can easily adjust to the more aggressive drivers.

[Joelack99]

So this seems to be happening everywhere, not just in The Villages. We are in Atlanta most of the time. My wife and I were discussing just this morning g that it seems like everyone has forgotten how to be nice to their neighbors. Everyone is out for themselves and when behind the wheel of a 300hp vehicle they are just determined to get wherever they are going first. It’s funny in The Villages where we really didn’t have anywhere we had to be in the first place.

Be kind to your neighbor.

[MrFlorida]

How many years will that take??

Not long, I guess you weren't here last summer were you ? They got a lot of speeders on Morse and Buena Vista..

[cathy34787]

My husband always says drive like hell and you’ll get there.

[fdpaq0580]

Can’t wait for flying cars :-)

Autonomous flying cars, please!
😫

[NewRealms]

We've been complaining about others' driving habits since we heard our parents complain. When I was getting my license the mantra was, and still should be, "Drive Defensively!" You're never going to be rid of nuts on the road.

[JMintzer]

And what kind of chip would that? ( He asked facetiously!)

Sorry! Couldn't help myself.
😏

Buffalo...

[jimjamuser]

"You're travelling through another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind; a journey into a wondrous land of strange creatures operating a myriad of amazing vehicles. That's a roundabout up ahead - your next stop, the Villages Zone!"
One of the most CREATIVE posts that I have ever read. Kudos

[jimjamuser]

The police are not doing their job in policing our roadways. I very seldom see them out there issuing tickets. If they would just set a speed check once a month in a different area (without notice) and nail everyone one of these self centered drivers with a citation things would change. The slogan, "The Friendliest Home Town," died a number of years ago. It was never like this 15 to 20 years ago.
Police and things like more teachers in public schools cost money and drive up property taxes. That is likely the reason that we see inadequate numbers of Police here in La-la Land. It may be the same reason that crime may be increasing here or will increase in the future. I see speeding often on the residential road in front of my house which is filled with joggers, walkers (2 and even 3 abreast), bicyclers, and commercial vehicles and lawn maintenance vehicles that park often in the middle of the street like they owned La-la Land.

[jimjamuser]

There is little or no speed enforcement on Morse Blvd. Sumter Co. Sheriff Dept. has an enormous number of police cars, but I see one on Morse maybe once a month. It's simple, if there is no enforcement, there will be more speeders.
I agree!

[jimjamuser]

Heh. Twilight Zone. It does sometimes feel that way. But it is erroneous to think that all the drivers on the roads mentioned are Villagers. Those roads are public and are used by whomever. I've seen a few Mustangs on El Camino Real driving it like they were in the Monaco Grand Prix, but the brief glimpses of the driver(s) that I've gotten have revealed people much younger than what you'd expect a Villager to be.

That's not to say that there are not Villagers who are sinless when it comes to driving. But it's usually things like changing lanes in a roundabout, coasting through red lights, tailgating, things like that.
Lots of Villagers have children and grandchildren living with them. They are younger and many (not all) drink and drive very fast. They often manage somehow to even drive golf carts recklessly.

[Bogie Shooter]

Lots of Villagers have children and grandchildren living with them. They are younger and many (not all) drink and drive very fast. They often manage somehow to even drive golf carts recklessly.

Lots?? Many??
You know this, how?

[Spalumbos62]

Lots?? Many??
You know this, how?

Open your eyes, look out your windows. I have seen many kids this month so far...walking the dog, at the square, in restaurants....maybe it's school break?

[jimjamuser]

So this seems to be happening everywhere, not just in The Villages. We are in Atlanta most of the time. My wife and I were discussing just this morning g that it seems like everyone has forgotten how to be nice to their neighbors. Everyone is out for themselves and when behind the wheel of a 300hp vehicle they are just determined to get wherever they are going first. It’s funny in The Villages where we really didn’t have anywhere we had to be in the first place.

Be kind to your neighbor.
I agree! it is like a Kamakazi mentallity. Not a full-blown death wish, but an increased risk-taking expressed and acted out behind the wheel. it seems to be all over the US and among all age groups. I seemed to notice the increased speed and recklessness begin about 3 years ago in TV Land. Others may have noticed it before that.
......The posts have been mostly about that it is happening, not about WHY it happened. My 1st thought about WHY was that it seemed to occur about the same time as CV happened. Which was certainly an unusual, not normal, significant issue. Most likely CV is just one of many factors causing the speeding. It would be wild speculation to say that CV is the ONLY factor. Other factors could be rapid social change, boredom with quarantines, increased murders and crimes, racial problems, more awareness of racial problems, and etc. Among school-age children, there are mental health problems and suicides. This makes problems for their parents and EVEN grandparents that may need to counsel them or provide money for their counseling.
........Problems make for distracted and aggressive driving among EVEN the Grandparents. Like so many things, SPEEDING can NOT be thought of as only some isolated issue.

[doctorknow]

I have the opposite view....if people would just go with the FLOW of traffic it would improve safety (even if speeding a little). The major problem I have is with super hesitant and overly defensive drivers whose opinion is everybody else is wrong and they are righteous.
They stop in the middle of the roundabout because they don't want to take the right of way or don't trust an approaching car. They slow down to a crawl before entering a roundabout even without any traffic in the circle or approaching. AARRRGH they cause congestion, confusion and annoyance for other drivers. Often going below the speed limit, careful safe and overly cautious they actually cause problems. Yes the opposite is true there are a few too many speeders that also don't go with the FLOW of traffic.

[BlackHarley]

We ain't speeding.....we be qualifying.....:a040:

[fdpaq0580]

We ain't speeding.....we be qualifying.....:a040:

Shame on you. You bad boy (or girl)!
But it is funny. 😃😃

[Bogie Shooter]

Open your eyes, look out your windows. I have seen many kids this month so far...walking the dog, at the square, in restaurants....maybe it's school break?

They are not banned from visiting, the comment was living.
My eyes are open, thank you.

[Normal]

I think it would be a great idea to include traffic circles for golf cart paths!

[DaleDivine]

IMO maybe 5% drives 35 MPH down those roads that was designed for 40 plus they are they usually in left lane. Even LEOs don’t drive 35mph or less. The only reason majority areas on those roads are 35 so the LSV can legally be on them. Now if you taking about MB out to 441 or Spanish springs few even drive 25 MPH max down that stretch which IMO most dangerous street in villages. Those streets are through roads through the villages, villagers not the only ones using them.

Went to a friends house last night. I was on 466A from Morse to Buena Vista.
Just before I got to Buena Vista there was a golf cart that wasn't street legal turning from 466A to Buena Vista. He was still putting along when I passed him on BV.
:ohdear::ohdear:

[44Apple]

The sheriff's dept. will let the speed for now, then drop the hammer on them , then watch them cry...

ha ha Remember when they were parking empty squad cars on the Villages highways to get drivers to slow down?

[thevillages2013]

I think it would be a great idea to include traffic circles for golf cart paths!

There is one near Laurel Manor where the short section of the Buena Vista rec trail intersects with the rec path on 466

[VApeople]

My 1st thought about WHY was that it seemed to occur about the same time as CV happened.

Your comment makes no sense because you have not told us what CV is.

[VApeople]

The major problem I have is with super hesitant and overly defensive drivers whose opinion is everybody else is wrong and they are righteous.

Well, the "super hesitant and overly defensive drivers" are not going to change the way they drive, so I guess you better learn how to deal with them.

[JMintzer]

There is one near Laurel Manor where the short section of the Buena Vista rec trail intersects with the rec path on 466

Also one just east of Brownwood Paddock Station and one or two south of 44...

[JMintzer]

Your comment makes no sense because you have not told us what CV is.

SHHHH! It's like saying "Beetlejuice" 3 times!

Corona Virus

[Topspinmo]

The police are not doing their job in policing our roadways. I very seldom see them out there issuing tickets. If they would just set a speed check once a month in a different area (without notice) and nail everyone one of these self centered drivers with a citation things would change. The slogan, "The Friendliest Home Town," died a number of years ago. It was never like this 15 to 20 years ago.

Nothing is like it was 15 to 20 years ago. Actually I like it 50 plus years ago. But, can never go back, never.

[Topspinmo]

Autonomous flying cars, please!
😫

With anti-collision capability.

[Topspinmo]

Went to a friends house last night. I was on 466A from Morse to Buena Vista.
Just before I got to Buena Vista there was a golf cart that wasn't street legal turning from 466A to Buena Vista. He was still putting along when I passed him on BV.
:ohdear::ohdear:

Putting along 30 plus?

[Dennys37Packard]

It happens this way every year when the renters and snowbird owners come. They bring their frustrations with them and HAVE to hurry. They are only here for a short while. Drive defensively and come April, things will go back to normal.....

[JMintzer]

It happens this way every year when the renters and snowbird owners come. They bring their frustrations with them and HAVE to hurry. They are only here for a short while. Drive defensively and come April, things will go back to normal.....

"Normal" has the same problems. Just a bit less often because there are less people...

[Bay Kid]

It happens this way every year when the renters and snowbird owners come. They bring their frustrations with them and HAVE to hurry. They are only here for a short while. Drive defensively and come April, things will go back to normal.....

Thank goodness you don't have any driving problems the other 9 months a year.

[collie1228]

There was a fatal crash on Buena Vista yesterday. I'm betting that you will now see a Sumter County Sheriff's deputy car monitoring speed on Buena Vista fairly regularly for a month or so. Then crickets.

[Walker1990]

I’m amazed that there are not more accidents.

[golfing eagles]

I’m amazed that there are not more accidents.

Actually, here is a very surprising graphic I found----I would have thought it might have been the opposite:

[Number 10 GI]

There was a fatal crash on Buena Vista yesterday. I'm betting that you will now see a Sumter County Sheriff's deputy car monitoring speed on Buena Vista fairly regularly for a month or so. Then crickets.

How do you know speed caused the accident? Not all accidents are caused by speeding.

[Davonu]

Actually, here is a very surprising graphic I found----I would have thought it might have been the opposite:

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachments/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/92529d1644416750-driving-villages-fatal-accidents-villages-fl-png

I’m not surprised at all by that graphic. There will be bad drivers and incidents anywhere you go. Overall, I think TV is a pretty safe place to drive. <braces self for beating> :)

[jimjamuser]

Lots?? Many??
You know this, how?
Observation...........I don't spend a lot of time playing golf, so I have time to observe my environment.

[jimjamuser]

Your comment makes no sense because you have not told us what CV is.
Surely, that is in jest?

[blueash]

maybe he's used to driving in Dumpwater, Wyoming:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Attacking people for their race, religion, orientation, or home is not my idea of a comment that deserves a laughing emoji. And when called on the insult, he even doubles down by insulting Wyoming again.
Never have, never will. Not interested in sheep, cattle and rodeos

I am saddened that the poster feels that Wyoming is full of people who would post things too stupid for his high intellect and that using Wyoming as his example of a worthless place, carefully saying the land is fine, just the human stuff is dumb, is funny.

Very funny. Perhaps next time when you are being so clever with your incisive wit, Dumpwater Wyoming, you could pause before hitting post and ask yourself, is this kind, is this decent, is this helpful or is it just a cheap shot from your keyboard.

[jebartle]

Two narrow escapes with meeting his maker on Harley, my husband sold bike within a week, scary, scary!!!

[kcrazorbackfan]

Anyone else driving on Morse, Buena Vista or El Camino feel like they wake up in the Twilight Zone? Meaning feeling like you are caught in the middle of the Daytona 500? Cars used to go maybe 40ish and now 50 to 60. Nevermind "racing" you through the roundabouts. And the money spent on diagramming proper lane usage in the roundabouts. And what happened to "Right turn, Right lane" and "Left turn. Left lane"? Tailgating is ridiculous too. Not sure what happened to "Florida's Friendliest Home Town".

You do realize the age of most of the occupants of The Villages, don’t you? They’re in a hurry to get more stuff done before they go 6’ deep.

[kcrazorbackfan]

How do you know speed caused the accident? Not all accidents are caused by speeding.

With the amount of damage to that car, it had to be speed and failure to maintain control of a vehicle. I worked hundreds of accidents as a Trooper where those two violations (separate and together) were the main causes of the accidents.

[Dave951]

A couple of weeks ago we were going south over the Chitty-Chatty Bridge and a car was in front of us going over the bridge

[Number 10 GI]

With the amount of damage to that car, it had to be speed and failure to maintain control of a vehicle. I worked hundreds of accidents as a Trooper where those two violations (separate and together) were the main causes of the accidents.

I haven't seen any pictures of the accident scene or the vehicles(s) involved or a follow up report on it. Were you there or do you have a source showing pictures of the vehicles? My point was that an assumption was made that speed was the factor based on a report there was a fatality with no more detail than that.

[Fredman]

It is a race track. The worst traffic circle i've ever had experience with is Buenia Vista at El Camino. I bet if you sit and watch for no more than five minutes you'll see at least one traffic circle violation.

Agree

[Fredman]

Attacking people for their race, religion, orientation, or home is not my idea of a comment that deserves a laughing emoji. And when called on the insult, he even doubles down by insulting Wyoming again.


I am saddened that the poster feels that Wyoming is full of people who would post things too stupid for his high intellect and that using Wyoming as his example of a worthless place, carefully saying the land is fine, just the human stuff is dumb, is funny.

Very funny. Perhaps next time when you are being so clever with your incisive wit, Dumpwater Wyoming, you could pause before hitting post and ask yourself, is this kind, is this decent, is this helpful or is it just a cheap shot from your keyboard.

Wow who spit on ur oat meal

[fdpaq0580]

Actually, here is a very surprising graphic I found----I would have thought it might have been the opposite:

Thanks for the chart, GE. Makes one think that all the wise cracks about older drivers, vision, hearing and reflexes is bunk. Maybe those older drivers are wisely compensating for their diminished abilities, and are doing quite well when compared to the young whippersnappers in the rest of the state.

👍👍

[Happydaz]

Actually, here is a very surprising graphic I found----I would have thought it might have been the opposite:

If these statistics are correct it would put to rest all the hand wringing that goes on about how dangerous everything is around here. This is a very safe place to live. Walkers, bicyclists, joggers, golf carters and auto drivers all have a low chance of injury or death. Possibly one of the reasons we have all these “sky is falling” posters talking about how dangerous it is could be due to the fact that we are older individuals who have learned by experience to be very careful. We may see danger more than most people but that is OK because, if these stats are accurate, we live in a very safe place.

[kathy1516]

I always thought the traffic slows down on Morse and Buena Vista this time of year with more and more traffic as the Villages grow.
LOLOLOL……I’ve called BV and Morse the Indy 500 for ten years and the roundabouts are the Olympic luge!!!!!

[kathy1516]

LOLOLOL……I’ve called BV and Morse the Indy 500 for ten years and the roundabouts are the Olympic luge!!!!!
LOLOL……. I’ve always called BV and Morse the Indy 500 and the roundabouts the Olympic luge!!!

[collie1228]

I just re-read my post. Don't see anything about speeding - only that the deputies will now be out there for a short time.

[VApeople]

Was someone really killed driving on Buena Vista a few days ago?

I didn't see anything about it in the Daily Sun or on this website.

[JMintzer]

Was someone really killed driving on Buena Vista a few days ago?

I didn't see anything about it in the Daily Sun or on this website.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/gazette-news-566/fatal-crash-buena-vista-329032/

[VApeople]

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/gazette-news-566/fatal-crash-buena-vista-329032/

Thanks. I had missed that post.

[Get real]

I don't drive....I aim. Get out of my way or look out.

But really, the people that drive slow and clog traffic are the ones causing the speeding and road rage. Entitled. Just move over already.

[Laker14]

I don't drive....I aim. Get out of my way or look out.

But really, the people that drive slow and clog traffic are the ones causing the speeding and road rage. Entitled. Just move over already.

There are very few problems in life that can't be made worse with a small dose of impatience. This is particularly so on the road. Conversely, most problems can be mitigated with a very small dose of patience.
A deep breath and an easing back on the gas pedal are easy ways to make a problem go away, and, they don't cost much.

[golfing eagles]

There are very few problems in life that can't be made worse with a small dose of impatience. This is particularly so on the road. Conversely, most problems can be mitigated with a very small dose of patience.
A deep breath and an easing back on the gas pedal are easy ways to make a problem go away, and, they don't cost much.

Or alternatively, the slug can take a deep breath, press forward on the gas pedal and keep up with traffic. Just a thought......

[ThirdOfFive]

Two narrow escapes with meeting his maker on Harley, my husband sold bike within a week, scary, scary!!!
I had my bike shipped down from Minnesota last February. Rode it for a few weeks and sold it. I had more close calls here in TV in those few weeks than I had in Minnesota in the last five years. Too many people on these roads who, quite simply, have lost the ability to navigate them safely.

[Laker14]

Or alternatively, the slug can take a deep breath, press forward on the gas pedal and keep up with traffic. Just a thought......

Or, here's another thought: Not everyone has to be like you. The "slug" does not have to drive to your standards. It is not the "slug"'s responsibility to make you happy. It is his/her responsibility to drive safely, in a way that he/she is comfortable. Your job is to deal with it safely.

[b1ll649]

I’ll take a speeder over a driver that doesn’t know how to navigate a roundabout. I can’t believe we have so many people that can’t drive here or should I say can’t read a sign that shows them how to navigate a roundabout. It’s pretty much a free for all going thru them. What the sheriff should do is revoke somebody’s license if they cause an accident or if they see somebody not navigating a roundabout properly because the driver can’t read or can’t comprehend any longer I agree 100% and those who treat yeald signs like stop signs are just as guilty.

[fdpaq0580]

Or, here's another thought: Not everyone has to be like you. The "slug" does not have to drive to your standards. It is not the "slug"'s responsibility to make you happy. It is his/her responsibility to drive safely, in a way that he/she is comfortable. Your job is to deal with it safely.

Truth!

[fdpaq0580]

I don't drive....I aim. Get out of my way or look out.

But really, the people that drive slow and clog traffic are the ones causing the speeding and road rage. Entitled. Just move over already.

Interesting. Relatively few minimum speed signs nation wide. Usually on freeways/highways. Golf carts, generally, have no place to move over to. On roads with single lane, like in the villages, no place to move over to.
"Entitled"??. Who?? The one driving at or below the legal limit, or the one that, as a committee of one, decides the law does not apply to them.

[fdpaq0580]

I agree 100% and those who treat yeald signs like stop signs are just as guilty.

"Yield" means "STOP" and give way until it is safe to proceed. Regularly see folks racing up to the yield sign hoping to intimidate those with the right of way to give way out of fear of being hit. No excuses for those self centered idiots.

[Bill14564]

"Yield" means "STOP" and give way until it is safe to proceed. Regularly see folks racing up to the yield sign hoping to intimidate those with the right of way to give way out of fear of being hit. No excuses for those self centered idiots.

No, "yield" does not mean "STOP." If they wanted a stop sign at an intersection then they could have put a stop sign at the intersection but instead they placed a yield sign. Yield means yield the right of way: It often requires slowing to determine if there is someone to yield the right of way to; It occasionally requires stopping to actually give the right of way but, it does not mean "STOP."

[golfing eagles]

Or, here's another thought: Not everyone has to be like you. The "slug" does not have to drive to your standards. It is not the "slug"'s responsibility to make you happy. It is his/her responsibility to drive safely, in a way that he/she is comfortable. Your job is to deal with it safely.

And here's the correct (my) way of thinking. Various roads have various speed limits that are set by our elected representatives. It has nothing to do with MY standard, or making ME happy, nor you either. It is a traffic law, usually based on traffic engineering studies. The person who makes it THEIR "responsibility" to drive much lower than the agreed upon speed limit presents a hazard to everyone else using the road, kind of like a rolling trash can that everyone has to bypass. At least interstates have posted minimum speeds----they should do that everywhere.

[golfing eagles]

Interesting. Relatively few minimum speed signs nation wide. Usually on freeways/highways. Golf carts, generally, have no place to move over to. On roads with single lane, like in the villages, no place to move over to.
"Entitled"??. Who?? The one driving at or below the legal limit, or the one that, as a committee of one, decides the law does not apply to them.

I would think the one driving well below the speed limit and therefore altering that limit to THEIR level for everyone else is the one that is "entitled"

[fdpaq0580]

I would think the one driving well below the speed limit and therefore altering that limit to THEIR level for everyone else is the one that is "entitled"

The posted speed limit is the maximum legal speed on a roadway. The law does not require someone to drive at that speed. There are any number of reason, conditions, weather, etc when traveling the maximum speed limit is not recommended due to safety reasons. Therefore, I respectfully disagree. Impatience is the enemy of good judgment and safety.

[JMintzer]

The posted speed limit is the maximum legal speed on a roadway. The law does not require someone to drive at that speed. There are any number of reason, conditions, weather, etc when traveling the maximum speed limit is not recommended due to safety reasons. Therefore, I respectfully disagree. Impatience is the enemy of good judgment and safety.

You've been shown, time and time again, the specific laws that state that "impeding traffic" is a illegal...

[fdpaq0580]

No, "yield" does not mean "STOP." If they wanted a stop sign at an intersection then they could have put a stop sign at the intersection but instead they placed a yield sign. Yield means yield the right of way: It often requires slowing to determine if there is someone to yield the right of way to; It occasionally requires stopping to actually give the right of way but, it does not mean "STOP."

To-may-to, to-mah-to. The point is one must give way until it is safe to proceed. This may indeed require coming to a full stop until cross traffic clears. Anyone approaching a yield sign should slow down to ascertain if there is cross traffic or if it is safe to proceed. Thus, they should be prepared to stop if it is necessary.

[Miboater]

I would think the one driving well below the speed limit and therefore altering that limit to THEIR level for everyone else is the one that is "entitled"

I heard a comedian once say that everybody driving slower than they are were morons and everybody driving faster were idiots. Funny but true.

[golfing eagles]

The posted speed limit is the maximum legal speed on a roadway. The law does not require someone to drive at that speed. There are any number of reason, conditions, weather, etc when traveling the maximum speed limit is not recommended due to safety reasons. Therefore, I respectfully disagree. Impatience is the enemy of good judgment and safety.

In many jurisdictions, that speed limit is indeed "prima facie", and therefore takes into account weather and road conditions, and the appropriate safety adjustments incumbent upon drivers. That is NOT what we are talking about. The discussion centers around those that are too lame or lack the skills to drive at an appropriate speed, thereby creating a hazard on the road. As my father used to say, "they will never GET into an accident, but they will CAUSE plenty"

[Laker14]

In many jurisdictions, that speed limit is indeed "prima facie", and therefore takes into account weather and road conditions, and the appropriate safety adjustments incumbent upon drivers. That is NOT what we are talking about. The discussion centers around those that are too lame or lack the skills to drive at an appropriate speed, thereby creating a hazard on the road. As my father used to say, "they will never GET into an accident, but they will CAUSE plenty"

And your father was wrong. They don't "cause" the accident. Impatient drivers behind them cause the accidents.

[Laker14]

I would think the one driving well below the speed limit and therefore altering that limit to THEIR level for everyone else is the one that is "entitled"

Certainly, one should not drive 15mph in a 30. But I don't think that's really what gets into the craw of the driver who feels the "appropriate" speed is 5 -7 mph over the posted limit.
I think what really annoys these folks is the person going 5 mph UNDER the posted limit. What really annoys these folks is the driver who actually slows down to 25 at the yellow sign that cautions them they should slow down to 25 mph in anticipation of the roundabout.

Someone traveling a few miles an hour under the speed limit is not going to make a significant dent in anyone's schedule. No need to tailgate and try to make them even more uncomfortable. Just ease back, wait for an opportunity, and then get around them. Maybe lose a few seconds off your ETA. If that's such a big deal, that you feel your impatience is justified, and that any accident caused is is caused by the slow driver, you have a time management problem.

[golfing eagles]

And your father was wrong. They don't "cause" the accident. Impatient drivers behind them cause the accidents.

No, the drivers behind them are NOT IMPATIENT. They have the right to drive at the posted speed limit, NOT have their speed dictated by some bozo going 25 in a 45 zone. On a multilane high speed interstate, those very same "drivers" going 55 in the far left lane cause an obstruction to traffic----even the law requires them to move over. The number one cause of accidents on an interstate occur as the result of a lane change. These idiots that are "left lane Louies" cause dozens of unnecessary lane changes. So, my father was 100% correct. However, anyone who wants to sit behind them for 500 miles on I-95 are welcome to do it, they can term themselves "patient":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

Certainly, one should not drive 15mph in a 30. But I don't think that's really what gets into the craw of the driver who feels the "appropriate" speed is 5 -7 mph over the posted limit.
I think what really annoys these folks is the person going 5 mph UNDER the posted limit. What really annoys these folks is the driver who actually slows down to 25 at the yellow sign that cautions them they should slow down to 25 mph in anticipation of the roundabout.

Someone traveling a few miles an hour under the speed limit is not going to make a significant dent in anyone's schedule. No need to tailgate and try to make them even more uncomfortable. Just ease back, wait for an opportunity, and then get around them. Maybe lose a few seconds off your ETA. If that's such a big deal, that you feel your impatience is justified, and that any accident caused is is caused by the slow driver, you have a time management problem.

No I don't, NOR did I state that. My post states, IN ENGLISH, well under the speed limit.

I don't think it's "appropriate" to drive 5-7 mph over the limit, nor would someone slowing down to 25 when it is posted annoy me. Does it bother you since you seem to be able to read the minds of those drivers, or are you just guessing, because I don't know.

Lastly, why are we having an apples and oranges debate?????

[Laker14]

I don't drive....I aim. Get out of my way or look out.

But really, the people that drive slow and clog traffic are the ones causing the speeding and road rage. Entitled. Just move over already.

There are very few problems in life that can't be made worse with a small dose of impatience. This is particularly so on the road. Conversely, most problems can be mitigated with a very small dose of patience.
A deep breath and an easing back on the gas pedal are easy ways to make a problem go away, and, they don't cost much.

Or alternatively, the slug can take a deep breath, press forward on the gas pedal and keep up with traffic. Just a thought......

No, the drivers behind them are NOT IMPATIENT. They have the right to drive at the posted speed limit, NOT have their speed dictated by some bozo going 25 in a 45 zone. On a multilane high speed interstate, those very same "drivers" going 55 in the far left lane cause an obstruction to traffic----even the law requires them to move over. The number one cause of accidents on an interstate occur as the result of a lane change. These idiots that are "left lane Louies" cause dozens of unnecessary lane changes. So, my father was 100% correct. However, anyone who wants to sit behind them for 500 miles on I-95 are welcome to do it, they can term themselves "patient":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

No I don't, NOR did I state that. My post states, IN ENGLISH, well under the speed limit.

I don't think it's "appropriate" to drive 5-7 mph over the limit, nor would someone slowing down to 25 when it is posted annoy me. Does it bother you since you seem to be able to read the minds of those drivers, or are you just guessing, because I don't know.

Lastly, why are we having an apples and oranges debate?????

probably because once you realized how ridiculous your apples debate was you switched to oranges.

[golfing eagles]

probably because once you realized how ridiculous your apples debate was you switched to oranges.

And all along I thought you needed to change to apples :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Bilyclub]

Certainly, one should not drive 15mph in a 30. But I don't think that's really what gets into the craw of the driver who feels the "appropriate" speed is 5 -7 mph over the posted limit.
I think what really annoys these folks is the person going 5 mph UNDER the posted limit. What really annoys these folks is the driver who actually slows down to 25 at the yellow sign that cautions them they should slow down to 25 mph in anticipation of the roundabout.

Someone traveling a few miles an hour under the speed limit is not going to make a significant dent in anyone's schedule. No need to tailgate and try to make them even more uncomfortable. Just ease back, wait for an opportunity, and then get around them. Maybe lose a few seconds off your ETA. If that's such a big deal, that you feel your impatience is justified, and that any accident caused is is caused by the slow driver, you have a time management problem.


I have only seen white signs stating Speed Limit 20 before traffic circles here.

And then there's this: Section 17-5 Villages Speed Limits All roads within The Villages of Sumter, Tri-County Villages of Sumter, and Villages of Wildwood, collectively referred to as “The Villages DRI”, shall have a speed limit of 20 miles per hour, unless otherwise posted.

[ex34449]

To those that think 20 in a 30 one is acceptable, go to the golf course and slow down the pace equally. Go to a restaurant and proceed with everything at 2/3rds pace. You'll get cussed at or clubbed, especially in the villages. haha

[Laker14]

To those that think 20 in a 30 one is acceptable, go to the golf course and slow down the pace equally. Go to a restaurant and proceed with everything at 2/3rds pace. You'll get cussed at or clubbed, especially in the villages. haha

Depends. If you are old, and stooped over, and it's obvious that's as fast as you can go, most people will be patient with you. Something else takes over when these otherwise patient people get behind the wheel.
Personally, I don't think going 20 in a 30 is "acceptable". However, when we find ourselves behind the slowpoke, we can only control our actions, not the slowpoke's actions.
My original post was to convey that when we find ourselves in that situation, it is better, and safer for everyone to deal with it patiently. That doesn't mean you can't patiently make your way around the slowpoke. You can. Far too many drivers feel entitled to do it impatiently, and then want to blame the slowpoke for the problems their own impatience actually caused.

[fdpaq0580]

You've been shown, time and time again, the specific laws that state that "impeding traffic" is a illegal...

I have been shown? How do you know this?

Actually, that is true, but there are stipulations that determine when this is applicable. Just going slower than you might prefer doesn't necessarily make traveling safely illegal. For example, used to live in a rural area and shared the roads with lots of farm vehicles. Try following a tractor for several miles.

[fdpaq0580]

Depends. If you are old, and stooped over, and it's obvious that's as fast as you can go, most people will be patient with you. Something else takes over when these otherwise patient people get behind the wheel.
Personally, I don't think going 20 in a 30 is "acceptable". However, when we find ourselves behind the slowpoke, we can only control our actions, not the slowpoke's actions.
My original post was to convey that when we find ourselves in that situation, it is better, and safer for everyone to deal with it patiently. That doesn't mean you can't patiently make your way around the slowpoke. You can. Far too many drivers feel entitled to do it impatiently, and then want to blame the slowpoke for the problems their own impatience actually caused.

Ah! The voice of reason. Thank you.

[golfing eagles]

Depends. If you are old, and stooped over, and it's obvious that's as fast as you can go, most people will be patient with you. Something else takes over when these otherwise patient people get behind the wheel.
Personally, I don't think going 20 in a 30 is "acceptable". However, when we find ourselves behind the slowpoke, we can only control our actions, not the slowpoke's actions.
My original post was to convey that when we find ourselves in that situation, it is better, and safer for everyone to deal with it patiently. That doesn't mean you can't patiently make your way around the slowpoke. You can. Far too many drivers feel entitled to do it impatiently, and then want to blame the slowpoke for the problems their own impatience actually caused.

Now you finally make sense...Good post!

[fdpaq0580]

No, the drivers behind them are NOT IMPATIENT. They have the right to drive at the posted speed limit, NOT have their speed dictated by some bozo going 25 in a 45 zone. On a multilane high speed interstate, those very same "drivers" going 55 in the far left lane cause an obstruction to traffic----even the law requires them to move over. The number one cause of accidents on an interstate occur as the result of a lane change. These idiots that are "left lane Louies" cause dozens of unnecessary lane changes. So, my father was 100% correct. However, anyone who wants to sit behind them for 500 miles on I-95 are welcome to do it, they can term themselves "patient":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

"So my father was 100% correct" in that scenario. Left lane is for passing, not for traveling in.

[fdpaq0580]

To those that think 20 in a 30 one is acceptable, go to the golf course and slow down the pace equally. Go to a restaurant and proceed with everything at 2/3rds pace. You'll get cussed at or clubbed, especially in the villages. haha

Cussed at? Consider the source, impatient bully has to have everything their way.
Clubbed? Call 911 have them arrested for assault and battery. Next call your attorney.

[JMintzer]

I have been shown? How do you know this?

Actually, that is true, but there are stipulations that determine when this is applicable. Just going slower than you might prefer doesn't necessarily make traveling safely illegal. For example, used to live in a rural area and shared the roads with lots of farm vehicles. Try following a tractor for several miles.

Because this discussion has been had, multiple times and that info has been given multiple time.

If you're really claiming you've never seen it, fine. Common sense says otherwise...

[JMintzer]

Cussed at? Consider the source, impatient bully has to have everything their way.
Clubbed? Call 911 have them arrested for assault and battery. Next call your attorney.

It seems that hyperbole is a concept of which you're not aware...

[brianherlihy]

left is to go right is to go slow

[VApeople]

My original post was to convey that when we find ourselves in that situation, it is better, and safer for everyone to deal with it patiently. That doesn't mean you can't patiently make your way around the slowpoke. You can. Far too many drivers feel entitled to do it impatiently, and then want to blame the slowpoke for the problems their own impatience actually caused.

Yeah, I am one of the slowpokes.

A couple weeks ago, I was driving south in the right lane on Buena Vista and came to the Odell roundabout, the same place where the lady was killed last week. I went thru the roundabout slowly and continued south in the right lane of Buena Vista and gradually started accelerating.

Then I heard a car in the left lane honking. I think the guy behind me in the right lane was trying to go around me and hit the guy who was coming up in the left lane. They both pulled off the road into the grass, and I continued on my way.

At the next roundabout, I had to give a long honk at a driver coming out of St. Charles and trying to cut me off.

Another exciting day driving in The Villages.

[Number 10 GI]

If you do not have the ability to handle driving at the speed limit or keep up with the flow of traffic, you do not need to be behind the wheel of a 3,500lb plus motor vehicle. Your diminished ability to drive is a danger to other vehicles, bicyclists and pedestrians.

Is it not bullying when you intentionally drive below the speed limit and expect others to accept your attitude?

[fdpaq0580]

Because this discussion has been had, multiple times and that info has been given multiple time.

If you're really claiming you've never seen it, fine. Common sense says otherwise...

Never claimed I had never seen it, just questioning how you would know what I "have been shown time and time again".

[fdpaq0580]

If you do not have the ability to handle driving at the speed limit or keep up with the flow of traffic, you do not need to be behind the wheel of a 3,500lb plus motor vehicle. Your diminished ability to drive is a danger to other vehicles, bicyclists and pedestrians.

Is it not bullying when you intentionally drive below the speed limit and expect others to accept your attitude?

Having the ability to travel speed limit or keep up with traffic does not equate to speed one may choose to travel which can be the result of many reasons. Just like one may have the ability to carry 4 thirty pound boxes at one time, but may choose 1 box at a time and make 4 trips.

Answer to last paragraph. No! For many possible reasons.

[fdpaq0580]

Just think of all the fun we will miss when there are no more human driven cars. All routes chosen by AI, all speed controlled by AI to maximize smooth and efficient traffic flow. I, for one, would like to ride in the "limo" with a cocktail in my hand while being driven to the golf club. Your individual scooter will track your ball and take you right to it. All movement on the course will be monitored and adjusted to maximize speed and efficiency of play.
The dream continues, but, I fear none of us may live to see it.

[Laker14]

If you do not have the ability to handle driving at the speed limit or keep up with the flow of traffic, you do not need to be behind the wheel of a 3,500lb plus motor vehicle. Your diminished ability to drive is a danger to other vehicles, bicyclists and pedestrians.

Is it not bullying when you intentionally drive below the speed limit and expect others to accept your attitude?

It's not about ability. It's about choice. The white sign on the side of the road does not say "PLEASE KEEP UP WITH TRAFFIC" does it? No, it says "SPEED LIMIT", which in English means "this is the FASTEST you are allowed to go". It does not mean "ADD 10 TO THIS NUMBER TO KEEP UP WITH TRAFFIC".
When I'm on I-75 I choose to get in the leftmost lane, and I go with the traffic. I feel that's the least dangerous place to be. I don't love going 85mph, but I feel that's the safest place to be.

I don't have to drive 15mph over the speed limit on Buena Vista, because I'm not negotiating around semis and motor homes, while trying to avoid the idiots who want to go 25 miles over the speed limit. So it's not about ability.
Your attitude is typical, and I'm surprised it's taken this many pages to find it expressed.

Freedom to move around in an automobile is a big part of being able to enjoy life, especially the way this community has been designed. You shouldn't feel so entitled to take that away from someone because they don't drive the way YOU have decided they should drive.
If you want to get there sooner, leave sooner, and try to be more patient if you find yourself behind someone who is not in a hurry.

[golfing eagles]

It's not about ability. It's about choice. The white sign on the side of the road does not say "PLEASE KEEP UP WITH TRAFFIC" does it? No, it says "SPEED LIMIT", which in English means "this is the FASTEST you are allowed to go". It does not mean "ADD 10 TO THIS NUMBER TO KEEP UP WITH TRAFFIC".
When I'm on I-75 I choose to get in the leftmost lane, and I go with the traffic. I feel that's the least dangerous place to be. I don't love going 85mph, but I feel that's the safest place to be.

I don't have to drive 15mph over the speed limit on Buena Vista, because I'm not negotiating around semis and motor homes, while trying to avoid the idiots who want to go 25 miles over the speed limit. So it's not about ability.
Your attitude is typical, and I'm surprised it's taken this many pages to find it expressed.

Freedom to move around in an automobile is a big part of being able to enjoy life, especially the way this community has been designed. You shouldn't feel so entitled to take that away from someone because they don't drive the way YOU have decided they should drive.
If you want to get there sooner, leave sooner, and try to be more patient if you find yourself behind someone who is not in a hurry.

Sorry, but you got it wrong again. The discussion is NOT about people exceeding the speed limit, it's about those going 10,15 or 20 under the limit. When they "choose" to do this, they are also making that same choice, imposing their will, on everyone else and simply put they don't get to do that. You mention that you "choose" to drive in the left lane because you "think" it's safer. And you are willing to go 85 to do it. Fine. What about the person who "chooses" to drive 50 in the left lane because they "think" it's safer. They effectively narrow 3 lanes to 2 or 2 to 1, and create a hazard for everyone else who has to avoid the road garbage. Their "choice" puts everyone else in danger. (And don't spout out that everyone else should be "patient" in that scenario, nobody is going to be. And even if most were, the one that makes a dumb move to get around may harm the "patient" ones, all because bozo left lane Louie "chose" to drive 50 in the passing lane.). I agree with you that those driving 25 OVER the limit are, as you put it, "idiots". Will you agree that those driving 25 under the limit are at least as big an idiot?

[Laker14]

Sorry, but you got it wrong again. The discussion is NOT about people exceeding the speed limit, it's about those going 10,15 or 20 under the limit. When they "choose" to do this, they are also making that same choice, imposing their will, on everyone else and simply put they don't get to do that. You mention that you "choose" to drive in the left lane because you "think" it's safer. And you are willing to go 85 to do it. Fine. What about the person who "chooses" to drive 50 in the left lane because they "think" it's safer. They effectively narrow 3 lanes to 2 or 2 to 1, and create a hazard for everyone else who has to avoid the road garbage. Their "choice" puts everyone else in danger. (And don't spout out that everyone else should be "patient" in that scenario, nobody is going to be. And even if most were, the one that makes a dumb move to get around may harm the "patient" ones, all because bozo left lane Louie "chose" to drive 50 in the passing lane.). I agree with you that those driving 25 OVER the limit are, as you put it, "idiots". Will you agree that those driving 25 under the limit are at least as big an idiot?

Sorry, but you've jumped the tracks again. Nowhere in the thread, until you brought it up, were we talking about people going 10 or 15 or 20 mph under the speed limit. I have never seen anyone other than a utility cart going 15mph on Buena Vista. And we weren't talking about the interstates, we were talking about, as the thread name states, "Driving in the Villages'. I mentioned going in the left lane of I-75 as a rebuttal to the inference that people who drive slowly do so because they lack the ability to control a car at 35 or 40mph, and should give up their privileges to drive.

My first post was about exercising patience when you come up on someone driving slowly. Your response to that was "or the slug could go faster, just a thought"...they could, but they won't. You can't control that. You can only control your reaction. And you responded to that with your dad's words of wisdom about the slow driver never getting into an accident, but causing many.
Then you went to "what about the guy going 50 on the interstate in the left lane"....
So, keep it real, man. We're talking about driving in the Villages, and some drive too fast, some drive too slow.
How do you deal with the slow driver best? Just be a bit more patient. Don't expect them to speed up. Don't tailgate. If you can get around them safely do so. If they are approaching a roundabout, give them room. You can get around them after the roundabout.
Patience. It's a virtue.

[golfing eagles]

Generally don’t drive the car while here but have with the weather. The rotaries are well marked and if people stayed in the lanes through the rotary things would go ok. Speed aside but too many people drive in the left lane that should be in the right one if they want to go 30. Others use a yield sign as a stop sign and do not enter the rotary if anyone else is on the rotary. It is a huge learning curve if you have not been on one before. Growing up in New England we have been driving rotaries all out lives. As for the roadway itself there are some that race it but not as many as one would think.

Sorry, but you've jumped the tracks again. Nowhere in the thread, until you brought it up, were we talking about people going under the speed limit.

Sorry, but first mention of slow drivers was post #13, a page before my first post

[collie1228]

Yesterday at about 4:00PM I was driving my golf cart to the mail station on Morse Blvd. (the one near the former Hacienda Hills club house) when I was witness to a Sumter County Sheriff's Deputy actually giving a young lady a ticket (for speeding, presumably). When I returned, he was on the opposite side of the road with a radar operating. First time in a couple of months that I've seen a police car there. Hope it continues, but I'm not confident.

[spd2918]

The most important factor regarding traffic safety is flow. What us the average speed? Going too far above or below the flow creates closure issues. If 80% of the traffic is 10 above the speed limit, then that should be your target speed (presuming the road can handle it and there are not a lot of crashes).

[golfing eagles]

The most important factor regarding traffic safety is flow. What us the average speed? Going too far above or below the flow creates closure issues. If 80% of the traffic is 10 above the speed limit, then that should be your target speed (presuming the road can handle it and there are not a lot of crashes).

Perhaps. Or if it a multi lane road, just stay in the furthest right lane if you are slow. There was a post about 4 years ago where some clown stated that he always drives 30 mph on the 3 lane posted 45 section of 466 because HE believes that is fast enough. This is a perfect example of what I've been posting-----some idiot thinks he gets to override the will of all the people that have set a speed limit through their elected representatives and impose his own opinion on everyone else. I wonder how many accidents this jerk has caused (not been involved in)

[JMintzer]

Never claimed I had never seen it, just questioning how you would know what I "have been shown time and time again".

Again, "common sense"... You've been part of these conversations in the past. And that comes up each and every time.

I would never assume you would post on a thread without actually reading said thread...

You'd never do that, right?

Hence, I'm sure you're aware of the actual laws...

[Bilyclub]

Before this thread gets closed I would like to add that cars making a right turn on red do not have the right of way when a vehicle is making a U turn from the left turn lane with a green signal. Except where it's posted otherwise, like 466 and Morse.

[Laker14]

Before this thread gets closed I would like to add that cars making a right turn on red do not have the right of way when a vehicle is making a U turn from the left turn lane with a green signal. Except where it's posted otherwise, like 466 and Morse.

Yeah, that's a tricky one. Another time when, even if you are making the U-turn, you better be careful.

[Laker14]

Sorry, but first mention of slow drivers was post #13, a page before my first post

You changed my quote to fit your narrative. Here is my quote: " Nowhere in the thread, until you brought it up, were we talking about people going 10 or 15 or 20 mph under the speed limit. "
That quote is entirely correct.
You changed it to "Nowhere in the thread, until you brought it up, were we talking about people going under the speed limit." which may well be true but is not what I wrote.

[golfing eagles]

You changed my quote to fit your narrative. Here is my quote: " Nowhere in the thread, until you brought it up, were we talking about people going 10 or 15 or 20 mph under the speed limit. "
That quote is entirely correct.
You changed it to "Nowhere in the thread, until you brought it up, were we talking about people going under the speed limit." which may well be true but is not what I wrote.

I didn't think you would mind :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Laker14]

I didn't think you would mind :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

you didn't think I'd notice...:boom:

[golfing eagles]

you didn't think I'd notice...:boom:

I didn't think it makes a difference :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: