"Panhandling"

[jricci13]

I noticed two different families "panhandling" today. One family was standing with a sign at Rolling Acres Road and 441 by the shopping exit. The other was on Seven Miles Dr. in Wildwood. I have lived here a year and have never seen people begging for money.

I'm not talking about the few homeless adults that hangout by Walmart. These were young families with children running around. I don't know how to describe them without offending someone, but I would say that there is a possibility that they may have not been Americans. I'm wondering if anyone else has seen this? If so, who are they, why are they here, is this legal, and might their number increase?

[kaydee]

I’ve lived here for many yrs & yes this happens often. A few yrs ago there was vans in the Publix parking lot that contained a family with several children.. they all were working the area asking for money. Sad but true

[Dana1963]

I noticed two different families "panhandling" today. One family was standing with a sign at Rolling Acres Road and 441 by the shopping exit. The other was on Seven Miles Dr. in Wildwood. I have lived here a year and have never seen people begging for money.

I'm not talking about the few homeless adults that hangout by Walmart. These were young families with children running around. I don't know how to describe them without offending someone, but I would say that there is a possibility that they may have not been Americans. I'm wondering if anyone else has seen this? If so, who are they, why are they here, is this legal, and might their number increase?
If you feed them they will stay!
It may seem crude just ignore them DO NOT donate.
I also no longer donate to food pantries seems to perpetuate the problem.
Unfortunately, it isn't against laws to panhandle.
At one time panhandeling was asking for a donation you received something like pen or pencil now it's just plain begging.

[John-US]

We stopped and gave the man condoms, not sure he appreciated the gesture. but eh.

[Stu from NYC]

I’ve lived here for many yrs & yes this happens often. A few yrs ago there was vans in the Publix parking lot that contained a family with several children.. they all were working the area asking for money. Sad but true

They used to work the interstate rest areas telling people they do not have money for gas they are traveling to visit their sick dying parents.

Fell for that once and than met same people on next trip with same problem.

[Mortal1]

not about the villages

[Stu from NYC]

not about the villages

Post is of interest to me.

[Michael G.]

Time is money.
They got the time, they get the money, simple as that

[JMintzer]

not about the villages

Which is why it is in the "Non Villages Discussion" forum...

[Calisport]

In California they have 4 family members newly arrived on every end of median in a suburb of Orange County asking for money. That was really scary to see. It is time to roll up the windows.

[Bitsee]

What scares me is the fact they those people "work" the median strips in the middle of insanely busy traffic sometimes with small children and dogs in tow.
One distraction on thier part can cause a slip off the curb and fall head on into your vehicle as your passing by !
Guess what then....
Hello Dan Newlin and your getting sued for inattentive driving on your part !
Remember folks they have the right to be in those public areas according to Florida law(s) is what I was told when I expressed my concerns on this very same issue .
Please correct me if I'm wrong ~

[MrFlorida]

There are plenty of job openings at the places they panhandle, I don't feel sorry for them.

[Number 10 GI]

There are plenty of job openings at the places they panhandle, I don't feel sorry for them.

Agree, nearly every business in the near and far area have help wanted signs displayed.

[Michael G.]

Remember folks they have the right to be in those public areas according to Florida law(s) is what I was told when I expressed my concerns on this very same issue .
Please correct me if I'm wrong ~

Your right, as long as their in public sections, the law sees it's ok.

Just another (can't do a dam thing about it) subject like dogs in grocery stores and restaurants.

Two out of 3 of my pet peeves.
The 3rd. is loud pipes.

[ElDiabloJoe]

In California they have 4 family members newly arrived on every end of median in a suburb of Orange County asking for money. That was really scary to see. It is time to roll up the windows.

There was a large family of Romany living in Fullerton and plying their trade up and down the county into San Clemente. The husband would sit in the minivan under at tree in the WalMart parking lot while momma and the babies (props) held up signs asking for money.

Romany (gypsies) can look white, Native American, or Hispanic depending on an individual coloring. They often pretend to be deaf or unable to speak English. They can speak English just fine.

[fdpaq0580]

Panhandling is, imho, a disgusting way to make a living. Like phone or internet scams, many panhandlers are skilled at making you feel sorry for them in many ways. Everything from what you described here to dressed in business attire and using a line like, "Can you help me. I've been robbed and I need to get a flight home asap for an emergency. I need @$80 to get to the airport and $700 for my plane fare. Write down your name and address and I can send you back the money in a week." For real. Heard it at LAX many years ago. A news expose' interviewed a lot of panhandlers. Very lucrative business. There are even "schools" that teach the higher end scams. Street theatre at its most despicable.

[triflex]

Might be Roma/Gypsies if it is an entire family with small children. I represented them in court a few times in other cities. I've also seen them repeat this in other cities I've visited. The kids don't go to school often and that gets them in trouble with Child Protective Services. The women do most of the panhandling. It is quite literally a cultural thing that they have done for 100s of years.

Generally, if you see kids repeatedly with panhandlers who look Eastern European or almost like they are form India (but not literally from India) then they are Roma. Child Protective Services generally would know about them if the kids are truly homeless - a deprivation case would be filed and this kids would gone to the State/foster families.

In other words they are not really homeless - just helping mom/dad panhandle.

I even saw a family of them 3 months ago in Orlando out in misting rain playing an accordion.

[manaboutown]

They are probably clearing $100K+/yr tax free.

[ThirdOfFive]

Great (and true!) panhandling story...

My wife and I were in Thailand visiting relatives a few years back. We were staying in Bangkok; one of the best ways to get around that down is by "Skytrain", an elevated railroad system. It is usually packed to the gills; there are stations every so often where you can get on and off.

We were getting off the train at a station near the end of the line. There was a woman lying on the grass adjacent to the station, with a small child with her. The kid was playing contentedly. She had a donation jar next to her. We stopped and engaged her in conversation (my wife translated). She had been crippled in an auto accident a couple of years previous. She was from Isaan (the northern part of the country), and she and her child were looking to get back up there so her relatives could help with raising her child. She was not able to work, and was raising money for train fare. She nearly had enough, and was looking forward to seeing her family again after a long absence.

I stuffed a 100 baht bill into her jar. We wished her well and walked to a nearby restaurant for lunch. We got back to the station, intending to ride the skytrain back into the city, and saw that the woman and child were gone. There was a uniformed Skytrain official on the boarding deck for the train, so we asked him what happened to the woman. Apparently her boyfriend had picked up her and the child (on a motor scooter, no less) and left. The official also added "she'll be back tomorrow morning".

Yep. It was all a hoax, but VERY well done.

That's not all. Apparently this is a common scam and it is pulled at heavily tourist-frequented areas such as skytrain stations. But a lucrative side business is that you can actually rent a kid for a half a day!

A 100 baht lesson, but very well done. Sure beats a grubby bearded guy on a street corner holding out a can.

[billethkid]

There are plenty of Help Wanted signs around.
We do not donate to pan handlers, solicitors, scammers et al.

[davem4616]

I've been hood winked a couple of times by 'panhandlers' with a sad story...

some of them are unemployable, as they are convicted felons/can't drive/etc....and some of them are just con artists

I haven't seen the families

now I just give to the Salvation Army...they seem to get it right when it comes to helping people truly in need

[PugMom]

There are plenty of job openings at the places they panhandle, I don't feel sorry for them.

that's the part that confuses me the most. some will actually stand by a business with huge help needed signs. do they not qualify? i'd think they could find something nearby.

[Spalumbos62]

I noticed two different families "panhandling" today. One family was standing with a sign at Rolling Acres Road and 441 by the shopping exit. The other was on Seven Miles Dr. in Wildwood. I have lived here a year and have never seen people begging for money.

I'm not talking about the few homeless adults that hangout by Walmart. These were young families with children running around. I don't know how to describe them without offending someone, but I would say that there is a possibility that they may have not been Americans. I'm wondering if anyone else has seen this? If so, who are they, why are they here, is this legal, and might their number increase?

Is it me...but do I hear in your voice that you are the victim here? It's almost like poor little me, entitled villages home owner...how dare such filth be in my surroundings, my neighborhood wanting a donation from me.
Yes, there are people that pull a fast one to get your donation, but how freaking sad that they have to do this. Does anyone really believe they make allot of money doing this daily.
Think about it, if you were in this situation wouldn't you go to a vacation location or some place like the villages? I would.
I dont hate these people, like so many here do and I don't give them cash....I give them bottled drinks and snacks.

[retiredguy123]

Is it me...but do I hear in your voice that you are the victim here? It's almost like poor little me, entitled villages home owner...how dare such filth be in my surroundings, my neighborhood wanting a donation from me.
Yes, there are people that pull a fast one to get your donation, but how freaking sad that they have to do this. Does anyone really believe they make allot of money doing this daily.
Think about it, if you were in this situation wouldn't you go to a vacation location or some place like the villages? I would.
I dont hate these people, like so many here do and I don't give the cash....I give the bottled drinks and snacks.
Would you feel the same way if The Villages started to look like some cities that have been taken over by homeless housing areas? If that happened here, I would move away.

[Spalumbos62]

Would you feel the same way if The Villages started to look like some cities that have been taken over by homeless housing areas? If that happened here, I would move away.

If you moved away- it would probably be at the next location too..
I think the caring people of Tv would stay and help...maybe with some sort of community action or fund raiser for temp housing. What a win-win opportunity. You can't take it with you, you can better your community AND help others.

[JMintzer]

Is it me...but do I hear in your voice that you are the victim here? It's almost like poor little me, entitled villages home owner...how dare such filth be in my surroundings, my neighborhood wanting a donation from me.
Yes, there are people that pull a fast one to get your donation, but how freaking sad that they have to do this. Does anyone really believe they make allot of money doing this daily.
Think about it, if you were in this situation wouldn't you go to a vacation location or some place like the villages? I would.
I dont hate these people, like so many here do and I don't give them cash....I give them bottled drinks and snacks.

Yes, many do make a lot of money...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoHsR9Na-cE

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fake+panhandlers+caught

[Tom52]

We were in St Augustine recently and there were as usual a number of panhandlers along the the main walking street. On guy had his jug or can out in front with the sign that said "BEER MONEY". I said to the wife that at least one guy was honest about it.😀😀😀😀

[triflex]

Last time I gave money was in Hong Kong to a guy with no face. 99% of the others are drug addicts.

I too will move instantly if the people managing TV begin to tolerate 'homeless' behaviors. It would be a town run by and occupied by suckers.

Is it me...but do I hear in your voice that you are the victim here? It's almost like poor little me, entitled villages home owner...how dare such filth be in my surroundings, my neighborhood wanting a donation from me.
Yes, there are people that pull a fast one to get your donation, but how freaking sad that they have to do this. Does anyone really believe they make allot of money doing this daily.
Think about it, if you were in this situation wouldn't you go to a vacation location or some place like the villages? I would.
I dont hate these people, like so many here do and I don't give them cash....I give them bottled drinks and snacks.

[FromDC]

A few days ago, there was a family holding a cardboard sign asking for money. They were in the Grand Traverse shopping center parking lot near the credit union office, just down from Publix. The man was playing an accordion or a similar instrument. I saw a lady give them a couple boxes of Cherrios. I felt bad for the people who appeared to be a husband, wife, and a child in a stroller.

[jricci13]

If they make their way into the villages it will be about us. The right on the outskirts

[jricci13]

Might be Roma/Gypsies if it is an entire family with small children. I represented them in court a few times in other cities. I've also seen them repeat this in other cities I've visited. The kids don't go to school often and that gets them in trouble with Child Protective Services. The women do most of the panhandling. It is quite literally a cultural thing that they have done for 100s of years.

Generally, if you see kids repeatedly with panhandlers who look Eastern European or almost like they are form India (but not literally from India) then they are Roma. Child Protective Services generally would know about them if the kids are truly homeless - a deprivation case would be filed and this kids would gone to the State/foster families.

In other words they are not really homeless - just helping mom/dad panhandle.

I even saw a family of them 3 months ago in Orlando out in misting rain playing an accordion.

One of the families that I saw had a man playing an accordion!

[jricci13]

That’s funny! Probably should stop and give them a few job applications lol

[jricci13]

We stopped and gave the man condoms, not sure he appreciated the gesture. but eh.

That’s funny! Probably should give them a few job applications as well!

[jricci13]

Is it me...but do I hear in your voice that you are the victim here? It's almost like poor little me, entitled villages home owner...how dare such filth be in my surroundings, my neighborhood wanting a donation from me.
Yes, there are people that pull a fast one to get your donation, but how freaking sad that they have to do this. Does anyone really believe they make allot of money doing this daily.
Think about it, if you were in this situation wouldn't you go to a vacation location or some place like the villages? I would.
I dont hate these people, like so many here do and I don't give them cash....I give them bottled drinks and snacks.

Since you’re so sympathetic to their cause, Next time I see one I’ll send them your email so they can stand in front of your yard and panhandle. Better yet, you can invite them for dinner.

[jricci13]

Is it me...but do I hear in your voice that you are the victim here? It's almost like poor little me, entitled villages home owner...how dare such filth be in my surroundings, my neighborhood wanting a donation from me.
Yes, there are people that pull a fast one to get your donation, but how freaking sad that they have to do this. Does anyone really believe they make allot of money doing this daily.
Think about it, if you were in this situation wouldn't you go to a vacation location or some place like the villages? I would.
I dont hate these people, like so many here do and I don't give them cash....I give them bottled drinks and snacks.

Since you're so sympathetic to their cause I suggest that you allow them to stand in front of your house and beg for money and then invite them to dinner! I can live in the Villages because I taught public school for 39 years and earned it!

[Spalumbos62]

Since you're so sympathetic to their cause I suggest that you allow them to stand in front of your house and beg for money and then invite them to dinner! I can live in the Villages because I taught public school for 39 years and earned it!

I live and own in the TV also...and yes...if someone was in need of a dinner, you are damn straight I would invite them in....I was taught to be a giving person....you should try it.

[manaboutown]

Giving money to child beggars: Don’t do it. (https://slate.com/human-interest/2013/09/giving-money-to-child-beggars-dont-do-it.html)

Begging – The Ugly Truth Behind The Ultimate Business | All Right Choices (https://allrightchoices.com/2015/03/13/begging-the-ugly-truth-behind-the-ultimate-business/)

[Caymus]

I live and own in the TV also...and yes...if someone was in need of a dinner, you are damn straight I would invite them in....I was taught to be a giving person....you should try it.

What is stopping you? You can find plenty of opportunities.

[manaboutown]

I live and own in the TV also...and yes...if someone was in need of a dinner, you are damn straight I would invite them in....I was taught to be a giving person....you should try it.

You may be living dangerously then. Utah homeless man Eric Jones allegedly slit woman's throat after she let him into her home (https://nypost.com/2022/02/13/utah-homeless-man-eric-jones-allegedly-slit-womans-throat-after-she-let-him-into-her-home/)

[Spalumbos62]

You may be living dangerously then. Utah homeless man Eric Jones allegedly slit woman's throat after she let him into her home (https://nypost.com/2022/02/13/utah-homeless-man-eric-jones-allegedly-slit-womans-throat-after-she-let-him-into-her-home/)

Thank you, I appreciate your concern and I wouldn't be that silly to do that.....I was trying to express my point to that poster, that barked back so smuggly that she/he worked 39 yrs blah,blah....like every single one if us didn’t....of course we all did, and we all are very lucky to live there.
I personally do not look at panhandlers as ripoff artist....I look at them as people really down on their luck and with that mindset...yes....I would walk into Publix and buy them a bucket of chicken.,or such. There are many ways to help people out...it does not have to be a cash donation at a street corner.
Just a quick note..... the mths we rent our place out our cleaning lady,as she's leaving, takes any leftover food the renters left behind and drives over and gives it to them....what a great person, what a great thing to do...could you imagine if all the cleaning people did this! Such a small gesture...such a positive outcome.

[PugMom]

Is it me...but do I hear in your voice that you are the victim here? It's almost like poor little me, entitled villages home owner...how dare such filth be in my surroundings, my neighborhood wanting a donation from me.
Yes, there are people that pull a fast one to get your donation, but how freaking sad that they have to do this. Does anyone really believe they make allot of money doing this daily.
Think about it, if you were in this situation wouldn't you go to a vacation location or some place like the villages? I would.
I dont hate these people, like so many here do and I don't give them cash....I give them bottled drinks and snacks.

i wouldn't say they are 'hated', in fact i've foolishly given them $$, but it's the idea of 'how can this be?' in today's world employers are going nuts trying to keep their businesses afloat, yet we see these people NOT engaging, NOT looking for reliable employment, & don't seem to mind their kids & pets following them to stand on street corners of busy roadways. :popcorn:

[manaboutown]

.yes....I would walk into Publix and buy them a bucket of chicken.,or such. There are many ways to help people out...it does not have to be a cash donation at a street corner.

You would still be living dangerously. Homeless man attacks, robs good Samaritan giving him coat in Midtown, police say - ABC7 New York (https://abc7ny.com/homeless-assault-good-samaritan-midtown/11464264/)

[ex34449]

They make hundreds a day and tax free. Like SPAM, as long as it is profitable, it will continue.

[dougjb]

They make hundreds a day and tax free. Like SPAM, as long as it is profitable, it will continue.


And you know this.....HOW?

[Buckeyephan]

Years ago our church had a program for helping needy folks and my husband and I were on a list to be called when needed. No cash was ever given. We often delivered groceries for single moms and their families. One time we were contacted about a needy single man. A motel room had been provided for him and we were asked to give food. My husband took the groceries we bought that could feed him for several days. He refused the food and said he wanted to be taken to a restaurant for dinner. That was the last time we volunteered for this. We helped serve meals at a shelter instead. We never give anything to panhandlers.

[ex34449]

And you know this.....HOW?

Easy, I ask. When several give me figures relatively close I pretty much figure what they make. I also managed several carnivals for 16 years. They'd hire on with us as a way to make it to other states for free.
They may not have much dignity but stupid or poor, they are not.

[manaboutown]

This is not the 1930s when most homeless and unemployed were rendered so by the dust bowl, the Great Depression resulting after the stock market crash and indeed worldwide economic devastation. Today numerous employment opportunities are available and many jobs paying well remain unfilled. Today's homeless choose not to work. They receive government handouts, including free cells phones, and free medical care compliments of us hard working taxpayers. Almost all but the occasional unfortunate are worthless parasites. They elect to drink, drug and loaf.

[ex34449]

Almost all but the occasional unfortunate are worthless parasites. They elect to drink, drug and loaf.

1. Parasites take, panhandlers ask. Most often they just stand there and people give to them.
2. Some do drugs but the majority do not. Depending on the job, we'd test them. Most would pass. Most don't drink any more than the people in the squares every night.
3. Loafing? They have it down to a science!

[golfing eagles]

I live and own in the TV also...and yes...if someone was in need of a dinner, you are damn straight I would invite them in....I was taught to be a giving person....you should try it.

Or like the Bay area, you could invite them to live with you---what could possibly go wrong????

[BlueStarAirlines]

I live and own in the TV also...and yes...if someone was in need of a dinner, you are damn straight I would invite them in....I was taught to be a giving person....you should try it.

If you do invite them in, let someone know so they can check on you....

Utah woman'''s throat slit by homeless man who she let into her home to take a shower: police | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/utah-womans-throat-slit-by-homeless-man-who-she-let-into-her-home-to-take-a-shower-police)

[BlueStarAirlines]

And you know this.....HOW?

Where I lived in DC there was a story in the Washington Post about a couple that would metro (train) in and panhandle. They made over $150k a year, which was pretty good in the mid-2000s.

This story is fairly recent: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/monkey-man-in-dc-he-begged-on-the-streets-in-florida-he-lived-like-a-king/2019/08/24/fc3954bc-c503-11e9-b5e4-54aa56d5b7ce_story.html

[manaboutown]

Irvine City Council Candidate Caught Dropping Off Mom To Panhandle – CBS Los Angeles (https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2018/10/30/panhandling-irvine-laguna-beach-city-council-candidate-mom/)

[Stu from NYC]

Irvine City Council Candidate Caught Dropping Off Mom To Panhandle – CBS Los Angeles (https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2018/10/30/panhandling-irvine-laguna-beach-city-council-candidate-mom/)

Better that than the worlds oldest profession:bigbow:

[manaboutown]

Better that than the worlds oldest profession:bigbow:

She was 86 years of age at that time!

[Mortal1]

Please just speak your mind as you see it. if you curb your wording in fear of hurting someone's feelings then you are not promoting "Your" truth, but someone else's truth.

If I see people begging then I see someone(s)who decided not to work for a living. if I decide they appear to be of a certain nationality(say hispanic or mideastern)then I will say so. if someones feelings are hurt then perhaps they require a reality check as to what constitutes a democratic republic based on the individual giving it their all.

[brianherlihy]

i only give to my my kids and grand kids two boys i worked when i was 9 and i am 73 and take care of my wife

[cafw1]

Is TOTV still printing a daily paper? I haven't received it in about a week.

[Stu from NYC]

She was 86 years of age at that time!

Very experienced

[Stu from NYC]

Is TOTV still printing a daily paper? I haven't received it in about a week.

Huh?????

[Bjeanj]

I don’t give money to panhandlers, as I don’t have the life skills to know who are scammers and who are not. I also don’t have the knowledge to know who is wacko or not.

Just read this the other day. Makes me not want to help except at/for St. Vincent DePaul or food banks.
Utah homeless man Eric Jones allegedly slit woman's throat after she let him into her home (https://nypost.com/2022/02/13/utah-homeless-man-eric-jones-allegedly-slit-womans-throat-after-she-let-him-into-her-home/)

[tvbound]

I personally don't give money to those asking for it, but every so often I'll see someone just sitting on the curb or under a tree in an out of the way location, who are obviously going through a rough spot in life - so I may help them a bit. The vast majority of my philanthropy however, goes to vetted organizations who I know pass a high % of my donations to those they support.