Golf course rules

[advp007]

I had an interesting encounter with an Ambassador today. Our group of 3 let a single play through. Three holes later we were told this is against the rules. The reason she gave was that it messed up their bookkeeping as they didn’t know who was where. Apparently it is more important to keep their bookkeeping straight than to allow a single to play through. Anyone else have this happen to them?

[villagetinker]

I wonder what book keeping is involved???

[UpNorth]

I wonder what book keeping is involved???

Must be quite the challenging job for some...:shocked:

[Bogie Shooter]

Like any rule if one is allowed not to follow, then soon others will want to as well.
Easier just to enforce and follow the rules.

[DonH57]

I had an interesting encounter with an Ambassador today. Our group of 3 let a single play through. Three holes later we were told this is against the rules. The reason she gave was that it messed up their bookkeeping as they didn’t know who was where. Apparently it is more important to keep their bookkeeping straight than to allow a single to play through. Anyone else have this happen to them?

Yes. Our foursome let a twosome play through as a good gesture so we didn't hold them up. Was told by the ambassador it messes up their system without a clear clarification of what system that was LOL. Other course ambassadors thanked us for doing so. Beats the hell out of me what this bookkeeping business is all about.:popcorn:

[JMintzer]

They like to keep track of who is on what hole. That is why they ask your "cart color" when you check in. Theoretically, it helps control "pace of play"... Theoretically...

[drcar]

They like to keep track of who is on what hole. That is why they ask your "cart color" when you check in. Theoretically, it helps control "pace of play"... Theoretically...

Yes it keeps track of who is where in case of an emergency. Also in your words "theoretically" the pace of play and who is out of position. Most of the time problems with pace is 2 somes and 3 somes playing fast.

[Mosells]

Interesting rule, but they won’t hurry anyone to move a little, just a little quicker.

[golfing eagles]

And also, I don't know of any course in the country where a single has any standing whatsoever.

[Calisport]

Commonly if you let people play ahead, the people behind you are delayed waiting for 2 groups now in front of them rather than 1. If the course was empty not as much a problem

[Laker14]

Yes, I learned this rule a few years ago. I was a newbie winter Villager, and we were a foursome and they let a "Lifestyle" twosome out. I suggested we let them through and was educated to the rule. The explanation I got was exactly as JMintzer described; that to keep track of who is where, they keep track of the cart colors.
The only thing the Ambassadors really care about is the "time par" written on the card. If you fall behind it with open holes ahead, they might give you a gentle nudge. In fact this happened to us just yesterday, as we had gotten 8 minutes behind the already generous "time par". I actually appreciate the nudge, because I can't stand being the slow group, and I don't like having to be the one to ride herd on my foursome. Much more congenial within the group if the ambassador does it.
It's not a perfect system, but it ain't bad, IMO.

[Laker14]

And also, I don't know of any course in the country where a single has any standing whatsoever.

Likewise. However, if the course isn't jammed up, I'd much rather let the single go, if he/she so desires. I don't find it relaxing having them back there. I like the system here, where it's forbidden. Just keep your pace, and you don't have to worry about whether they want to play through. Some folks, especially beginners, hate playing through. They get really nervous about it, and would rather wait back there than play a golf shot or two in front of an audience.
I've hit enough bad shots in front of enough strangers that it no longer bothers me, but I get it.

[dewilson58]

Another bonehead discussion with an Ambass.

If you want to let a single or group play thru, go for it.

[dewilson58]

Commonly if you let people play ahead, the people behind you are delayed waiting for 2 groups now in front of them rather than 2. If the course was empty not as much a problem

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Topspinmo]

Somebody on this forum said the ambassadors can’t enforce rules anyway? ( I think it was an ambassador? Only make recommendations?:)

[Bogie Shooter]

Another bonehead discussion with an Ambass.

If you want to let a single or group play thru, go for it.

Now, you know better than that.:ho:

[banjobob]

Not that specific of incident but they are to monitor time of play, this seems to be a lack of common sense or a new ambassador.

[BrianL99]

And also, I don't know of any course in the country where a single has any standing whatsoever.
You need to get out more and pay more attention to the Rules of Golf. A "Single" has the same standing as a Foursome or any other group, per the USGA.

[La lamy]

Commonly if you let people play ahead, the people behind you are delayed waiting for 2 groups now in front of them rather than 2. If the course was empty not as much a problem

That makes no sense to me. It's still just 2 groups ahead of the third coming up (as mentioned in quote!). They just traded places.

[Laker14]

You need to get out more and pay more attention to the Rules of Golf. A "Single" has the same standing as a Foursome or any other group, per the USGA.

the USGA? Really? Pace-of-play issues and guidelines are generally handled by the individual clubs, not the USGA. I'd be interested in looking at any USGA sourced link you have on this issue.

[nn0wheremann]

I had an interesting encounter with an Ambassador today. Our group of 3 let a single play through. Three holes later we were told this is against the rules. The reason she gave was that it messed up their bookkeeping as they didn’t know who was where. Apparently it is more important to keep their bookkeeping straight than to allow a single to play through. Anyone else have this happen to them?
The starter delayed everyone waiting for a couple of no-shows to come to the course. Naturally everyone is backed up. Then on the sixth hole the ambassador starts wagging his finger and pointing at his watch. At the published time of 90 minutes to play the course we were ten minutes ahead at that point. I thought about telling him that, but there was no point. Some folks need their power trip. Let ‘em have it.

[jedalton]

as a current ambassador, that is not true. That was the proper thing to do.

[jedalton]

as a current ambassador, we try to run ahead but if a couple has a tee time reserved we have to wait until that time to see if they show up. now we are a bit behind. my solution, charge 5 points for no shows, 2 points if they call and cancel. would end in a hurry.

[jedalton]

as a current ambassador, not true. we do enforce the rules

[golfing eagles]

You need to get out more and pay more attention to the Rules of Golf. A "Single" has the same standing as a Foursome or any other group, per the USGA.

I need to get out more????? Pay attention to the rules???? After 52 years of competitive golf?????? My response: :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

And there's this from the rules of golf: "A single player has no standing, and must always give way to a properly constituted match."

Now, in 2004 you are correct in that there was a rules modification that emphasized pace of play over size of group, and a later clarification that considered a single as a "group" However, that does not give a single the right to play through multiple larger groups in rapid succession. Furthermore, this is frequently covered in the LOCAL RULES that make a statement regarding singles. Here in The Villages, the powers that be prohibit any group of any size from playing through. If there is a slow group it is up to the ambassador to move them along and even have them skip a hole (which rarely happens)

[jedalton]

as a current ambassador, it's very easy to fix on my time sheet. simply switch the single with the foursome. everything will be correct then

[loreejl]

Sorry but you are all missing the point, it is all about the money. If the ambassadors keep everyone in order then no one can sneak on and play without being noticed. Same reason the ambassadors will not make anyone skip a hole if they are behind.

[golfing eagles]

as a current ambassador, it's very easy to fix on my time sheet. simply switch the single with the foursome. everything will be correct then

Or alternatively, as an ambassador, you might remind golfers that their place on the course is directly behind the group ahead of them, not directly ahead of the group behind them:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[jedalton]

dead wrong again, as a current ambassador, we can make a player or group skip a hole.

[barbnick]

Let’s not put all Ambassadors in the same boat. A few will run the course by the rules.
Unless you actually work the job you have no idea what it entails.
If you show courtesy you will get courtesy returned.
READY GOLF

[thevillages2013]

If there is a single pushing my group and there are holes open in front of my group I am letting that single play through every time. It’s just the right thing to do . Spank me

[dewilson58]

as a current ambassador, we can make a player or group skip a hole.

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

I would sell tickets to watch this.

:clap2::clap2::clap2:

[Aloha1]

And also, I don't know of any course in the country where a single has any standing whatsoever.

Per USGA rules, a single has no standing BUT another rule says players can let a faster group ( or single) play through. Of course TV never follows USGA rules.

:popcorn:

[Accidental1]

Per USGA rules, a single has no standing BUT another rule says players can let a faster group ( or single) play through. Of course TV never follows USGA rules.

:popcorn:

Please quote the rule that states singles have no standing, I can’t seem to find it.

I typically let faster players through because it’s the right thing to do.

[ThirdOfFive]

From my experience those ambassadors do an excellent job. Congenial and knowledgeable, they give Villages golf a positive face.

Now and again (rarely) you encounter one who goes against that particular grain. My wife and I always walk, using pullcarts which we rent from the starter shack. I had my pullcart adjacent to the tee box and an ambassador pulled up and rather officiously told me that I could not have a pull cart in the tee box. I pointed out that my cart was BETWEEN the black and gold tee boxes, resting on a rather scruffy piece of dirt, and was a good six feet from either box. He mumbled something and left.

[mtomlinson]

They changed the rules/guidelines years ago to give priority to a groups speed of play rather than numbers in the group which gave priority to singles, assuming they were playing faster. Personally, in 21 years in TV, I have NEVER been let through no matter how slow or how far behind the group in front has been .

[Bogie Shooter]

Sorry but you are all missing the point, it is all about the money. If the ambassadors keep everyone in order then no one can sneak on and play without being noticed. Same reason the ambassadors will not make anyone skip a hole if they are behind.

I bet that sneaking on is a major problem. Where did you get that idea?

[dewilson58]

Please quote the rule that states singles have no standing, I can’t seem to find it.

I typically let faster players through because it’s the right thing to do.

U R no accident, that's the right thing to do. :coolsmiley:

[Tom M]

The starter delayed everyone waiting for a couple of no-shows to come to the course. Naturally everyone is backed up. Then on the sixth hole the ambassador starts wagging his finger and pointing at his watch. At the published time of 90 minutes to play the course we were ten minutes ahead at that point. I thought about telling him that, but there was no point. Some folks need their power trip. Let ‘em have it.

The starter held up for someone who was late?

My wife and I were over 10 minutes ahead of our scheduled tee time and starter said he already sent out the rest of our group we were assigned to be paired with because they were running ahead of pace. Said it's our fault as we should be there 20-30 minutes before our tee time. Had us join them on the 2nd tee (still before our scheduled tee time on #1).

[JR&TR]

Commonly if you let people play ahead, the people behind you are delayed waiting for 2 groups now in front of them rather than 2. If the course was empty not as much a problem
People behind you would be held up because of 2 groups ahead of them instead of 2?

[BrianL99]

I need to get out more????? Pay attention to the rules???? After 52 years of competitive golf?????? My response: :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

And there's this from the rules of golf: "A single player has no standing, and must always give way to a properly constituted match."

Now, in 2004 you are correct in that there was a rules modification that emphasized pace of play over size of group, and a later clarification that considered a single as a "group" However, that does not give a single the right to play through multiple larger groups in rapid succession. Furthermore, this is frequently covered in the LOCAL RULES that make a statement regarding singles. Here in The Villages, the powers that be prohibit any group of any size from playing through. If there is a slow group it is up to the ambassador to move them along and even have them skip a hole (which rarely happens)
You need to read UPDATED Rules of Golf. The statement you quoted, hasn't appeared in the Rules of Golf for at least 15 years. It's been modified at least twice, since.

Playing through: The rule that everyone ignores - National Club Golfer (https://www.nationalclubgolfer.com/news/playing-through-rule-everyone-ignores/)

I'm not disputing whether Clubs have the right to discourage folks from allowing slower groups to allow players to "play through", clubs can do whatever they wish. I was merely correcting those who claim "Singles have no standing" on the golf course. That's simply wrong and harkens back to the Rules of Golf adopted in 1899 ... this is a new day.

[JR&TR]

I had an interesting encounter with an Ambassador today. Our group of 3 let a single play through. Three holes later we were told this is against the rules. The reason she gave was that it messed up their bookkeeping as they didn’t know who was where. Apparently it is more important to keep their bookkeeping straight than to allow a single to play through. Anyone else have this happen to them?
So much for common curtesy? Common practice up here in Minnesota.

[dewilson58]

The starter held up for someone who was late?

My wife and I were over 10 minutes ahead of our scheduled tee time and starter said he already sent out the rest of our group we were assigned to be paired with because they were running ahead of pace.

That happened to me (no wife) at Glenview.
Then the bonehead starter sent me out as a single.

:ohdear::ohdear:

Starters get all excited to send players out early.........personal, internal brownie points.
:a040:

[BrianL99]

Please quote the rule that states singles have no standing, I can’t seem to find it.

I typically let faster players through because it’s the right thing to do.
That "rule" was removed from the Rules of Golf, in 2004. Singles have the same "standing" as any other group and the USGA recommends allowing faster groups, to play through.

[yankygrl]

You need to read UPDATED Rules of Golf. The statement you quoted, hasn't appeared in the Rules of Golf for at least 15 years. It's been modified at least twice, since.

Playing through: The rule that everyone ignores - National Club Golfer (https://www.nationalclubgolfer.com/news/playing-through-rule-everyone-ignores/)

I'm not disputing whether Clubs have the right to discourage folks from allowing slower groups to allow players to "play through", clubs can do whatever they wish. I was merely correcting those who claim "Singles have no standing" on the golf course. That's simply wrong and harkens back to the Rules of Golf adopted in 1899 ... this is a new day.
The Villages is special and regular rules may not apply especially on executive courses.

[Mortal1]

Interesting rule, but they won’t hurry anyone to move a little, just a little quicker.

it depends on the course and the ambassador. many times I've seen ambassadors ask people to pick up the pace.

[forebubba]

Not that specific of incident but they are to monitor time of play, this seems to be a lack of common sense or a new ambassador.

1. Why not join the 3 some?
2. While you let the single play through the 3 some is standing around waiting doing nothing.
3. the single is now riding right behind the next group.
4. repeat #2.? Meanwhile all the groups are falling behind.
5. If the course is empty..no problem...not this time of year.

[Mortal1]

there will always be folks who just don't "get it". whether it pertains to dogs using private property to relieve themselves or golf course rules.

it is not the ambassadors fault if the course management says no one is allowed to allow others to play through and it usually happens because the group letting them play through are either slow or don't like someone on their heels. I often play as a single and am asked many times if I'd like to play through....it politely refuse because it is not allowed....even it was I would not as there is usually another group ahead that I will have to wait for....ergo:no real time saved hence the group that asked me to play through didn't like me watching them. I let them know that I'm in no hurry.

[Singerlady]

I had an interesting encounter with an Ambassador today. Our group of 3 let a single play through. Three holes later we were told this is against the rules. The reason she gave was that it messed up their bookkeeping as they didn’t know who was where. Apparently it is more important to keep their bookkeeping straight than to allow a single to play through. Anyone else have this happen to them?
You mean you saw an ambassador? Wow!

[DrBrutyle109]

I had an interesting encounter with an Ambassador today. Our group of 3 let a single play through. Three holes later we were told this is against the rules. The reason she gave was that it messed up their bookkeeping as they didn’t know who was where. Apparently it is more important to keep their bookkeeping straight than to allow a single to play through. Anyone else have this happen to them?
I’ve heard some silly things, but that ambassador should be ashamed. Half of them don’t really know what to do anyway. It’s polite to let a single through if there a hole or so open.

[DrBrutyle109]

Have to look at the situation. Late in the day and nobody in front of you…..let him through. Maybe you have semi beginner with you…..packed course…of course not. Nothing is 100%
Except most of you don’t know the rules anyway

[Waltdisney4life]

The rules have a reason the ambassadors do a wonderful job if you don’t like it you can play off property is plenty of courses outside the Villages!!!

[MSchad]

My wife and I were over 10 minutes ahead of our scheduled tee time and starter said he already sent out the rest of our group we were assigned to be paired with because they were running ahead of pace. Said it's our fault as we should be there 20-30 minutes before our tee time. Had us join them on the 2nd tee (still before our scheduled tee time on #1).
Now that is just wrong for a starter to do that. You should have called the starters manager. We do like everyone to show up at least 20 minutes early, to be sure your checked in and ready to tee off at your tee time. But they shouldn’t have sent out 1/2 a foursome that early and penalized you.

[Laker14]

You need to read UPDATED Rules of Golf. The statement you quoted, hasn't appeared in the Rules of Golf for at least 15 years. It's been modified at least twice, since.

Playing through: The rule that everyone ignores - National Club Golfer (https://www.nationalclubgolfer.com/news/playing-through-rule-everyone-ignores/)

I'm not disputing whether Clubs have the right to discourage folks from allowing slower groups to allow players to "play through", clubs can do whatever they wish. I was merely correcting those who claim "Singles have no standing" on the golf course. That's simply wrong and harkens back to the Rules of Golf adopted in 1899 ... this is a new day.

I wasn't aware "National Club Golfer" was a ruling authority. I'm still not. They make a fine recommendation, and I heartily agree with the idea of faster players playing through, when practical, but it's a stretch to consider their recommendation a rule we all should feel obliged to follow.

I have had the experience, not in the Villages, of being out with another player walking in the evening, and a steady succession of singles in carts behind us. Why can't they hook up? It gets pretty annoying to have to let one single in a cart after another go through. Rather ruins the rhythm of our game.

[024engine]

That is correct golf ediquit. Lol no

[Scudder]

Better look in the USGA rule book. Single players are allowed

[Proveone]

I had an interesting encounter with an Ambassador today. Our group of 3 let a single play through. Three holes later we were told this is against the rules. The reason she gave was that it messed up their bookkeeping as they didn’t know who was where. Apparently it is more important to keep their bookkeeping straight than to allow a single to play through. Anyone else have this happen to them?
She was probably looking at the "Letter of the law/Rule" instead of using common sense. They track group start times to follow them if there is slow play or someone/group complains about slow play. She should have used common sense in your case. But then remember, it's The Villages and they make their own rules, regardless of standard golf course etiquette/norms.

[CFrance]

Like any rule if one is allowed not to follow, then soon others will want to as well.
Easier just to enforce and follow the rules.
Yes, I will never play pickleball on a totally empty set of tennis courts again!:duck:

[tophcfa]

I respect the rules of golf, but as far as group size is concerned I will make an exception. Once they ring up my credit card, I expect to be recognized the same as any other golfer weather I’m playing in a foursome, threesome, twosome, or as a single.

[DonH57]

Now that is just wrong for a starter to do that. You should have called the starters manager. We do like everyone to show up at least 20 minutes early, to be sure your checked in and ready to tee off at your tee time. But they shouldn’t have sent out 1/2 a foursome that early and penalized you.

You see, this is what some people are talking about. Your example demonstrates the inconstant course management of golfers. Several starters will absolutely never let anyone out before their tee time, especially that much earlier with part of a group missing. I also personally know of someone who's foursome was sent out earlier because the previous foursome was a no show. They were not aware they were charged with cancellation points and additional reservation points until they made their next play dates, so beware. It's really sad because there are good people working the starter and ambassador positions and some knuckleheads!:popcorn:

[airstreamingypsy]

I made a comment before I want to delete, I hit the Edit/Delete box but it only allows me to edit.... so I'm writing this to get rid of the comment. How does one simply delete?

[Lancer]

the USGA? Really? Pace-of-play issues and guidelines are generally handled by the individual clubs, not the USGA. I'd be interested in looking at any USGA sourced link you have on this issue.

Rule 5.6b
b. Prompt Pace of Play
A round of golf is meant to be played at a prompt pace.
Your pace of play is likely to affect how long it will take other players to play their rounds, including both those in your group and those in following groups. You are encouraged to allow faster groups to play through.

[jercoppola]

I had an interesting encounter with an Ambassador today. Our group of 3 let a single play through. Three holes later we were told this is against the rules. The reason she gave was that it messed up their bookkeeping as they didn’t know who was where. Apparently it is more important to keep their bookkeeping straight than to allow a single to play through. Anyone else have this happen to them?

That indeed is the "Village's Rule". Common courtesy and golf ethics tells us you did do the correct thing, but you must remember you are golfing in the bubble. To be honest after awhile you just except this as normal, much like what is sadly happening in America

[Snprentice]

How does 1 person or a twosome get a t time in TV? Very unlikely this happening, especially this time of year. I understand the courtesy of letting someone play through, but if course is full, everyone will be waiting so why do it? Play as fast as you can and enjoy the game.

[MSchad]

I made a comment before I want to delete, I hit the Edit/Delete box but it only allows me to edit.... so I'm writing this to get rid of the comment. How does one simply delete?

No simple delete function. Edit and delete everything out and put 3 ///

[Speedie]

dead wrong again, as a current ambassador, we can make a player or group skip a hole.

I like the word “make”
Sounds like the power has taken over

[PPLEPEU]

That indeed is the "Village's Rule". Common courtesy and golf ethics tells us you did do the correct thing, but you must remember you are golfing in the bubble. To be honest after awhile you just except this as normal, much like what is sadly happening in America

Where can one go to see the list of “Village’s Rules” for golf?

[Laker14]

You need to get out more and pay more attention to the Rules of Golf. A "Single" has the same standing as a Foursome or any other group, per the USGA.

the USGA? Really? Pace-of-play issues and guidelines are generally handled by the individual clubs, not the USGA. I'd be interested in looking at any USGA sourced link you have on this issue.

Rule 5.6b
b. Prompt Pace of Play
A round of golf is meant to be played at a prompt pace.
Your pace of play is likely to affect how long it will take other players to play their rounds, including both those in your group and those in following groups. You are encouraged to allow faster groups to play through.

Lancer, thanks for the link. Although the passage is found in the "rule" book, I wouldn't consider it a "rule"...just a vague reference. No set time is specified, nor any penalty for violation.

[Dilligas]

They like to keep track of who is on what hole. That is why they ask your "cart color" when you check in. Theoretically, it helps control "pace of play"... Theoretically...

Unfortunately some ambassadors only learned about the time quotes on the cards rather than determining the reasons for groups being behind. We had a large group of 6 foursomes playing and the first group was forced to wait on every hole. Consequently the entire group was waiting on every hole and the ambassador decided to notify the 5th of our group that they were behind and to pick it up or skip a hole.....even though they were on the heals of the group in front of them. Rules and Common Sense are required to do the job effectively.

[Laker14]

I think that things work pretty well here in TV, when it comes to golf, on the executives as well as the championship courses. My experiences with employees (behind the cash registers, at the starter shacks, and the ambassadors) have been almost all positive experiences. For every hundred pleasant exchanges, I've had maybe one unpleasant one. Generally, they seem to understand that the object is for golfers to enjoy themselves.
Given the number of golfers we have, and the generally packed conditions, and the feeling of entitlement and self-importance that many customers bring with them, I think they do a really good job of trying to keep things moving without being confrontational.

[golfing eagles]

You need to read UPDATED Rules of Golf. The statement you quoted, hasn't appeared in the Rules of Golf for at least 15 years. It's been modified at least twice, since.

Playing through: The rule that everyone ignores - National Club Golfer (https://www.nationalclubgolfer.com/news/playing-through-rule-everyone-ignores/)

I'm not disputing whether Clubs have the right to discourage folks from allowing slower groups to allow players to "play through", clubs can do whatever they wish. I was merely correcting those who claim "Singles have no standing" on the golf course. That's simply wrong and harkens back to the Rules of Golf adopted in 1899 ... this is a new day.

My apologies. I thought I had clearly stated in the English language that you were correct in that the rules were modified in 2004 and then clarified again subsequently. Let me check that again---oh, yeah, there it is in ENGLISH. Sorry for the confusion:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[kkingston57]

The rules have a reason the ambassadors do a wonderful job if you don’t like it you can play off property is plenty of courses outside the Villages!!!

Ambassadors do a good job. However, personally, feel this rule makes no sense. Other reasons to play outside TV. Went to Spruce Creek and paid $17.00 less(am a priority member) and played on overseaded (real) grass instead of the food colored grass in TV. Came home without green stains on my Titleists.

[Bogie Shooter]

Where can one go to see the list of “Village’s Rules” for golf?

Golf The Villages (https://www.golfthevillages.com/golf-in-the-villages/index.asp)

[RUOK2?]

dead wrong again, as a current ambassador, we can make a player or group skip a hole.
How exactly does an 'ambassador' force a resident to do anything?
Do they call law enforcement to remove players from the course?
Do they, like pool monitors, for example,, produce their ID to confirm that they have the authority which they claim?
Is a resident entitled to ask. "Sorry, I don't recognize you. Can I see your ID?
And then "Yes, your ID is the same as mine. Where does it say that you're a monitor/ambassador."
Of course, a video of any officious encounter usually provokes an indignant outburst, which is good for a laugh later, which appeals to my juvenile sense of humor.

[Tom M]

Golf The Villages (https://www.golfthevillages.com/golf-in-the-villages/index.asp)

Wow, I thought you had solved the issue by pointing out the written Village rules that nobody is allowed to play through. Alas, I could not find that anywhere in the Villages local golf rules.

I can certainly understand not playing through if the course is full (to just run upon another group), but during slower times if there's an empty hold ahead I see little reason not to allow this. Perhaps this is an opportunity for enhancement of the tracking system.

But in search of a justification of the system, perhaps not allowing players to play through is better than the alternative where many would be complaining that some group in front of them was slow and rude for not letting them play through. Perhaps the system of not allowing is better to avoid conflicts even though it works pretty well everywhere else.

[Bogie Shooter]

Where can one go to see the list of “Village’s Rules” for golf?

Wow, I thought you had solved the issue by pointing out the written Village rules that nobody is allowed to play through. Alas, I could not find that anywhere in the Villages local golf rules..

You asked for the “Villages Rules”…..that’s what you got.

For your specific question, try this……
Call Golf And Tennis Administration at 352-753-3396 for more information on membership enhancements or other golf/tennis issues.

[DaleDivine]

Why can't we all just get along? Local rules apply...
:popcorn::popcorn::bigbow:

[PPLEPEU]

Why can't we all just get along? Local rules apply...
:popcorn::popcorn::bigbow:

I don’t disagree - but I can’t find any statement regarding playing through in The Villages local rules. If it is written somewhere on the Golf The Villages site, I can’t find it.

[olliedog1950]

Do what I do, ignore the ambassadors, it's quite effective.

[Calisport]

People behind you would be held up because of 2 groups ahead of them instead of 2?

2 groups instead of 1

[Kayakguy]

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[Laker14]

How exactly does an 'ambassador' force a resident to do anything?
Do they call law enforcement to remove players from the course?
Do they, like pool monitors, for example,, produce their ID to confirm that they have the authority which they claim?
Is a resident entitled to ask. "Sorry, I don't recognize you. Can I see your ID?
And then "Yes, your ID is the same as mine. Where does it say that you're a monitor/ambassador."
Of course, a video of any officious encounter usually provokes an indignant outburst, which is good for a laugh later, which appeals to my juvenile sense of humor.

I suppose that outright refusal to obey an ambassador's instruction could be reported to the management, and one could be refused a tee time. Your position on the course, and Village ID are in the system, so identifying you for future disciplinary action would be rather easy. I have no idea if they do this, but it would be easily done.

[EviesGP]

As a former Ambassador(and Starter), I can attest that they don't instruct you to direct a group to allow another group(or person) to pass thru. So, I wouldn't tell or ask, but if someone did it, I would thank them for it. And yes, some simpleton Ambassadors who can't comprehend swapping cart colors and times, will state that it's not allowed. My job was to do my best to allow everyone as good of a time as possible. Hence, 'Ambassador' vs Marshall or Ranger!
As for pace of play, MOST of the golfers in TV are 'recreational', not pros! They are expected to keep the pace listed on their card. NOT keep up with the group in front of you. If you have a smaller, or more skilled, group in front of you(or behind), you're not expected to play at their pace, but the pace listed on your card! Sorry, Doc.
As for me as a player, if there is 'a place to put them'(i.e. open space), I'll let a single or twosome thru. But, if we're pretty stacked up, I'm not going to let a single or double zip thru, just to push us all backwards(so he/they can get to a cold beer quicker)?!
That's where the "TV pose" comes into play. They thought they were going to whiz thru their round, everyone else be damned? Sorry.
As for the Starter, I too, experience a Starter trying to push people thru. That is certainly a nicety, when it's needed, but NOT a requirement! We showed up with a linked group(couples), and the Starter told us that someone needed to get up on the Tee box(about 15mins early). I politely reminded him what our times were, and we were a linked group, and will be playing TOGETHER! As a former Starter, if the pace is moving along, I will ASK if the next group wants to play up, but I will NOT demand it! Especially if the rest of your foursome is not here. Some times, it's 2 twosomes not linked, and I'll ask if they want to wait, or play up. NOTE: I/they should only allow a group to move up if there's enough time between now and the next tee time. Hence, if it's only 5mins early, and I send a partial group up, and then they're on the tee box or fairway, during the next start time, you just caused a back up. Cheers!

[golfing eagles]

As a former Ambassador(and Starter), I can attest that they don't instruct you to direct a group to allow another group(or person) to pass thru. So, I wouldn't tell or ask, but if someone did it, I would thank them for it. And yes, some simpleton Ambassadors who can't comprehend swapping cart colors and times, will state that it's not allowed. My job was to do my best to allow everyone as good of a time as possible. Hence, 'Ambassador' vs Marshall or Ranger!
As for pace of play, MOST of the golfers in TV are 'recreational', not pros! They are expected to keep the pace listed on their card. NOT keep up with the group in front of you. If you have a smaller, or more skilled, group in front of you(or behind), you're not expected to play at their pace, but the pace listed on your card! Sorry, Doc.
As for me as a player, if there is 'a place to put them'(i.e. open space), I'll let a single or twosome thru. But, if we're pretty stacked up, I'm not going to let a single or double zip thru, just to push us all backwards(so he/they can get to a cold beer quicker)?!
That's where the "TV pose" comes into play. They thought they were going to whiz thru their round, everyone else be damned? Sorry.
As for the Starter, I too, experience a Starter trying to push people thru. That is certainly a nicety, when it's needed, but NOT a requirement! We showed up with a linked group(couples), and the Starter told us that someone needed to get up on the Tee box(about 15mins early). I politely reminded him what our times were, and we were a linked group, and will be playing TOGETHER! As a former Starter, if the pace is moving along, I will ASK if the next group wants to play up, but I will NOT demand it! Especially if the rest of your foursome is not here. Some times, it's 2 twosomes not linked, and I'll ask if they want to wait, or play up. NOTE: I/they should only allow a group to move up if there's enough time between now and the next tee time. Hence, if it's only 5mins early, and I send a partial group up, and then they're on the tee box or fairway, during the next start time, you just caused a back up. Cheers!

Well said! But just FYI, I was referring to those that were not keeping up with the card time

[VApeople]

We showed up with a linked group(couples), and the Starter told us that someone needed to get up on the Tee box(about 15mins early). I politely reminded him what our times were, and we were a linked group, and will be playing TOGETHER!

I have been playing golf since 1958 and I have never heard of a "linked group".

The are foursomes, threesomes, and twosomes, but what is a "linked group"?

Whatever group you signed up for, you should have all been there 20 minutes before your posted tee time. If the Starter asked you to tee off 15 minutes before your posted tee time, you should have done it.

[advp007]

1. Why not join the 3 some?
2. While you let the single play through the 3 some is standing around waiting doing nothing.
3. the single is now riding right behind the next group.
4. repeat #2.? Meanwhile all the groups are falling behind.
5. If the course is empty..no problem...not this time of year.

In this particular case the single had a non playing guest and asked to play through rather than join us.