Phoenix open

[Topspinmo]

And they wonder why there water shortage in desert 🏜?Las Vegas same way.

Nothing do with pro golf? Well maybe? desert west water feasco.

[retiredguy123]

Excuse my ignorance, but why should we care? Can't they just pipe water from another area? In Saudi Arabia, they drill wells almost a mile or so deep to get water.

[JMintzer]

And they wonder why there water shortage in desert 🏜?Las Vegas same way.

Nothing do with pro golf? Well maybe? desert west water feasco.

Phoenix is not having a water shortage...

As the drought persists, here's how Phoenix is prepared - AZ Big Media (https://azbigmedia.com/business/as-the-drought-persists-heres-how-phoenix-is-prepared/#:~:text=Unlike%20other%20areas%20in%20the%20south west%2C%20Phoenix%20is,While%20the%20drought%20is% 20serious%2C%20Phoenix%20is%20prepared).

[Topspinmo]

So, waste it on golf courses and lawns. Western side of continental divide water shed supply not going to last. Lake mead down hundred feet.

Lake Mead drying up 2021?
Image result for lake mead water level by year
This means less water will be portioned out to some states in the 2022 water year. As of August 22, 2021, Lake Mead was filled to just 35 percent of its capacity. The lowest in 86 years.

Colorado River Shortage Creates Arizona Water Crisis (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/caitochs/colorado-river-shortage-arizona-drought)

I can find more that that has different opinion.

[Topspinmo]

Excuse my ignorance, but why should we care? Can't they just pipe water from another area? In Saudi Arabia, they drill wells almost a mile or so deep to get water.

(Desalination plants in Saudi Arabia provide about half the country's drinking water. About 40% comes from groundwater. The remainder comes from surface water (about 10%). Desalinated water is prevalent along the coasts, surface water in the southwest region and groundwater elsewhere.)

There already doing that. Why should we care about anything when our candle is almost burnt out?

[JMintzer]

So, waste it on golf courses and lawns. Western side of continental divide water shed supply not going to last. Lake mead down hundred feet.

Lake Mead drying up 2021?
Image result for lake mead water level by year
This means less water will be portioned out to some states in the 2022 water year. As of August 22, 2021, Lake Mead was filled to just 35 percent of its capacity. The lowest in 86 years.

Colorado River Shortage Creates Arizona Water Crisis (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/caitochs/colorado-river-shortage-arizona-drought)

I can find more that that has different opinion.

Well, if California didn't allow billions of gallons of water to simply flow into the Pacific and addressed the water supply TO Lake Meade...

Oh, and do you use your irrigation system in TV?

[JMintzer]

(Desalination plants in Saudi Arabia provide about half the country's drinking water. About 40% comes from groundwater. The remainder comes from surface water (about 10%). Desalinated water is prevalent along the coasts, surface water in the southwest region and groundwater elsewhere.)

There already doing that. Why should we care about anything when our candle is almost burnt out?

80% of Israel's drinking water comes from desalination...

They have been the world leader in the technology...

Israel Proves the Desalination Era Is Here - Scientific American (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/israel-proves-the-desalination-era-is-here/)

[retiredguy123]

If you are saying that the Phoenix Open should be played somewhere else, I'm on board with that. I'll watch it on TV anyway. And drink beer, not water.

[JMintzer]

If you are saying that the Phoenix Open should be played somewhere else, I'm on board with that. I'll watch it on TV anyway. And drink beer, not water.

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[Ski Bum]

So, waste it on golf courses and lawns. Western side of continental divide water shed supply not going to last. Lake mead down hundred feet.

Lake Mead drying up 2021?
Image result for lake mead water level by year
This means less water will be portioned out to some states in the 2022 water year. As of August 22, 2021, Lake Mead was filled to just 35 percent of its capacity. The lowest in 86 years.

Colorado River Shortage Creates Arizona Water Crisis (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/caitochs/colorado-river-shortage-arizona-drought)

I can find more that that has different opinion.

"Wasting" water... always wondered why that was even a phrase. You can't "waste" water. It doesn't disappear, it stays in the water cycle. Same amount of water on the planet today as there was yesterday. We just need to get the water to where it is needed, from where there too much of it. That means an all-of-the-above strategy. Efficient use, pipelines, dams for flood control and storage. But we can't have that now can we? Might drown a snail.

[Deandd]

All the golf courses in the desert west were forced to use non-potable recyled water years ago. The courses that could not or would not were forced to close. They do not draw water from any drinking sources …..

[golfing eagles]

"Wasting" water... always wondered why that was even a phrase. You can't "waste" water. It doesn't disappear, it stays in the water cycle. Same amount of water on the planet today as there was yesterday. We just need to get the water to where it is needed, from where there too much of it. That means an all-of-the-above strategy. Efficient use, pipelines, dams for flood control and storage. But we can't have that now can we? Might drown a snail.

All the golf courses in the desert west were forced to use non-potable recyled water years ago. The courses that could not or would not were forced to close. They do not draw water from any drinking sources …..

Finally---two intelligent posts on the subject. The tree huggers want everyone to believe that the planet is running out of water, when in reality it is a distribution issue. There are swamps and there are deserts, and that's just the way it is. When you populate a desert, you have to bring water in. The water level in Lake Mead ultimately depends on snowfall in the back range of the Colorado Rockies, and that whole Hoover Dam system is highly controlled. Those that envision it as a dry lake bed probably also believed that the polar ice caps had completely melted in 2010.

[Harold.wiser]

Fixed water supply + Increasing population = Fresh water shortages

[rjn5656]

so let's bring in more population, oh i forgot that is what is happening

[jimjamuser]

And they wonder why there water shortage in desert 🏜?Las Vegas same way.

Nothing do with pro golf? Well maybe? desert west water feasco.
I actually agree with that - golf is a waste of water. I doubt very much that future generations will play much golf (as we know it). They may play a video version of today's golf that involves drives and iron shots where the ball hits sensors on a screen and that is converted into the distance and lie on a fairway. And then players putt to a hole on a real physical putting green - then back to the video version for the next hole. Thus minimum water waste!
........Spraying water in the air guarantees excessive evaporation on TODAY'S golf courses in a desert. Now, as far as water in Florida goes...... I know from a Ph.D. water expert that MOST if not all areas at Florida's latitude are deserts.
........likely we in our generation will all be to the BIG desert in the sky by the time Florida goes dry. And for those naysayers about global warming / global warning - please google the fact that building materials are going up 250%, which are due to the fact that BEETLES are KILLING the trees in the Canadian Rockies - prior to global warming the normal (40 years ago) frost would kill those beetles off on the US and Canadian Rockies.

[jimjamuser]

Fixed water supply + Increasing population = Fresh water shortages
Yes, a correct equation. Golfing was a wonderful sport from about the 1950s to the 1990s when the US population went from about 180 million people to about double around 300,000 or more counting illegals. Now as presently constituted the sport of golf is hazardous to YOUR health and to the planet in general. Love your planet - put your golf bag in any available DUMPSTER!

[golfing eagles]

Yes, a correct equation. Golfing was a wonderful sport from about the 1950s to the 1990s when the US population went from about 180 million people to about double around 300,000 or more counting illegals. Now as presently constituted the sport of golf is hazardous to YOUR health and to the planet in general. Love your planet - put your golf bag in any available DUMPSTER!

Res ipsa loquitur. BTW, the roots of golf go back to the Romans, and the Scots were playing golf on the very land that is now St. Andrews in the 1300's. I very much doubt the game will disappear with the next generation after thousands of years, and certainly not over water evaporation or global warming or other such nonsense. Another BTW---A single golf course produces enough oxygen for 7-8000 people, and also scrubs tons of your "dreaded" CO2 out of the atmosphere. So, love your planet----build more golf courses!!!

[jimjamuser]

Res ipsa loquitur. BTW, the roots of golf go back to the Romans, and the Scots were playing golf on the very land that is now St. Andrews in the 1300's. I very much doubt the game will disappear with the next generation after thousands of years, and certainly not over water evaporation or global warming or other such nonsense. Another BTW---A single golf course produces enough oxygen for 7-8000 people, and also scrubs tons of your "dreaded" CO2 out of the atmosphere. So, love your planet----build more golf courses!!!
The Romans and the Scots did NOT have to worry about a population explosion and global warming so like I said, "Golf was a wonderful sport in the US from 1950 to 1990". But, don't worry if you already have a house built - those tree-killing BEETLES in the Rocky Mountains will only force our descendants, not us, to live in mud and steel shacks, without wood framing or wood floors. And the poorer ones can live in tents on the empty golf courses. What a future we are leaving, but don't call us selfish. And I wonder why each succeeding US generation on official polls has stated that they are NOT better off than their prior generation. Just a fact!

[Babubhat]

Golf course usage trivial. Look at the debacle of mining rare earth for electric vehicles. It’s absurd the amount of polluted water generated. Done in the arid West

[jimjamuser]

Golf course usage trivial. Look at the debacle of mining rare earth for electric vehicles. It’s absurd the amount of polluted water generated. Done in the arid West
OK, I should research that. Possibly a good point. Not sure at this point.

[golfing eagles]

The Romans and the Scots did NOT have to worry about a population explosion and global warming so like I said, "Golf was a wonderful sport in the US from 1950 to 1990". But, don't worry if you already have a house built - those tree-killing BEETLES in the Rocky Mountains will only force our descendants, not us, to like in mud and steel shacks, without wood framing or wood floors. And the poorer ones can live in tents on the empty golf courses. What a future we are leaving, but don't call us selfish. And I wonder why each succeeding US generation on official polls has stated that they are NOT better off than their prior generation. Just a fact!

Actually, while the Romans and Scots probably didn't know about population growth, at the time Malthusian economics would have dominated the situation (population growing geometrically while food supply growing arithmetically). And nobody has to worry about so called "global warming" since it is a myth. (actually, it is not a myth, it is real and caused by geological and climatological cycles that have been at work for millions of years and have nothing, repeat ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the activities of man. Therefore, nobody has to worry about it since we can't change it. Now, I do have to admire the apocalyptic Euell Gibbons beetle scenario---very creative work of fiction but I'll hold off on taking a long position in mud for now. But on a more serious note, is a tent erected by a "poor" person who can't afford "mud" treated as a temporary movable obstruction or an integral part of the course under the rules:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Since this is Valentine"s day, I briefly considered letting you finally win one of these debates, since after all there is a first time for everything. Nah!

[Topspinmo]

If you are saying that the Phoenix Open should be played somewhere else, I'm on board with that. I'll watch it on TV anyway. And drink beer, not water.


No, I saying there wasting water in desert. Don’t need all the grass and lakes.

[jimjamuser]

Actually, while the Romans and Scots probably didn't know about population growth, at the time Malthusian economics would have dominated the situation (population growing geometrically while food supply growing arithmetically). And nobody has to worry about so called "global warming" since it is a myth. (actually, it is not a myth, it is real and caused by geological and climatological cycles that have been at work for millions of years and have nothing, repeat ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the activities of man. Therefore, nobody has to worry about it since we can't change it. Now, I do have to admire the apocalyptic Euell Gibbons beetle scenario---very creative work of fiction but I'll hold off on taking a long position in mud for now. But on a more serious note, is a tent erected by a "poor" person who can't afford "mud" treated as a temporary movable obstruction or an integral part of the course under the rules:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Since this is Valentine"s day, I briefly considered letting you finally win one of these debates, since after all there is a first time for everything. Nah!
Thanks for sending me a Valentine.......that was very sweet. I enjoy debating with you because I learn SO much from your advanced intellect (practically above mere mortal men)! You can mess with me, but be wary of messing with the
blue-ashed one - he has a tendency to kick your ash!
........DO please Google what I said about the beetle (probably an ash beetle) that is KILLING trees in the Rockies. And causing the 250% increase in wood building materials. That is just a fact. And I guess that it is just a coincidence that the WORLD'S CLIMATE changed at the same time as the World and US population skyrocketed from about 1975 on. At the ACCELERATED rate that Antarctican ice is melting and the world's oceans are rising - then TV Land will become beachfront on both east and west side by about 2050. Hope people can swim or buy a life preserver now and put it into their favorite GOLF bag. Anyway, happy Valentine's Day!

[BrianL99]

No, I saying there wasting water in desert. Don’t need all the grass and lakes.
Over 70% of the earth is covered with water. Nary a drop of water has simply "disappeared" in the history of the earth ... as others have pointed out.

There is no water shortage on earth. There's a shortage of will to clean and distribute it and it's a convenient rallying point, for those who want to claim the sky is falling, because it suits their political agenda.

[golfing eagles]

Thanks for sending me a Valentine.......that was very sweet. I enjoy debating with you because I learn SO much from your advanced intellect (practically above mere mortal men)! You can mess with me, but be wary of messing with the
blue-ashed one - he has a tendency to kick your ash!
........DO please Google what I said about the beetle (probably an ash beetle) that is KILLING trees in the Rockies. And causing the 250% increase in wood building materials. That is just a fact. And I guess that it is just a coincidence that the WORLD'S CLIMATE changed at the same time as the World and US population skyrocketed from about 1975 on. At the ACCELERATED rate that Antarctican ice is melting and the world's oceans are rising - then TV Land will become beachfront on both east and west side by about 2050. Hope people can swim or buy a life preserver now and put it into their favorite GOLF bag. Anyway, happy Valentine's Day!

Funny thing revisionist history, but in 1975 the buzz word in climate was the coming of another ice age due to global cooling. And here is another "inconvenient" fact---the Antarctic ice pack is melting in some places, growing in others, but overall is experiencing a net gain. So much for the TV beachfront. And wasn't the "inconvenient truth" VP guru that stated all the ice caps would be completely gone by 2010????

[Topspinmo]

Over 70% of the earth is covered with water. Nary a drop of water has simply "disappeared" in the history of the earth ... as others have pointed out.

There is no water shortage on earth. There's a shortage of will to clean and distribute it and it's a convenient rallying point, for those who want to claim the sky is falling, because it suits their political agenda.

Did you just land from another planet? Yes there plenty of water in certain areas.

Most golf course’s desert don’t have lush fairways to greens, they where built with conservation in mind, not waste/greed. The areas most drive over don’t need to be grass, areas off second cut don’t need to be grass. They sure don’t need no big artificial lakes.

[Topspinmo]

Well, if California didn't allow billions of gallons of water to simply flow into the Pacific and addressed the water supply TO Lake Meade...

Oh, and do you use your irrigation system in TV?

Got to save the rare earth minnow’s.

Rarely use my irrigation system. I redesigned the wasteful pop up sprinkler that water everywhere but little on plants.

Yes, I’m do good er, I do my part to save our natural resources.

[justjim]

Arizona water shortage. Prior to retirement, several moons ago,(1987 or1988)my plane landed in Phoenix and as I always did first I picked up the local newspaper. The front page headlines was all about how the valley of the sun was required to stop development because the lack of water. Some four decades later the population of the valley is several times more than it was in the late 1980’s. My point. We humans we adapt, we improvise and we overcome.

[kkingston57]

Played in Phoenix before. Signs all over the place telling golfers that water is re claimed Most, if not all courses use re claimed water.

There will be problems in the future. Lake Mead and Lake Powell are both going down and this year is looking to be another below average snow melt in the Rockies.

[Bay Kid]

I've never seen so much beer wasted. Sad.

[PoolBrews]

I've never seen so much beer wasted. Sad.

Most of the cans I saw thrown were not really beer - it was lite beer... so nothing lost. It was, however, a big waste of aluminum.:1rotfl:

Golf is one of Arizona's primary tourism draws. They have over 10M rounds played per year for groups going on golf trips - that brings in $$'s for the state for golf, hotels, and restaurants. It's not just for the PGA. As long as it's good for the state, they will continue to do it.

[JMintzer]

Most of the cans I saw thrown were not really beer - it was lite beer... so nothing lost. It was, however, a big waste of aluminum.:1rotfl:

Golf is one of Arizona's primary tourism draws. They have over 10M rounds played per year for groups going on golf trips - that brings in $$'s for the state for golf, hotels, and restaurants. It's not just for the PGA. As long as it's good for the state, they will continue to do it.

And Super Bowl LVII will be played in Phoenix, the same weekend as the WM Open next year...

Should make for an interesting weekend...

[Bay Kid]

Most of the cans I saw thrown were not really beer - it was lite beer... so nothing lost. It was, however, a big waste of aluminum.:1rotfl:

Golf is one of Arizona's primary tourism draws. They have over 10M rounds played per year for groups going on golf trips - that brings in $$'s for the state for golf, hotels, and restaurants. It's not just for the PGA. As long as it's good for the state, they will continue to do it.

Hopefully WM recycled the aluminum cans!